Was Jack The Ripper Actually Caught?

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Ай бұрын

In 1888 and 1889, a vicious serial killer haunted the streets of London. Five women were brutally murdered in Whitechapel, and all except one of the five victims - Elizabeth Stride - were horribly mutilated. And those are only the murders officially linked to the killer; it’s likely he took the lives of many more. To this day the identity of the murderer is unknown, but he has a name - Jack The Ripper. One theory is that he was the convicted killer William Bury.
Unlike most of the suspects, Bury was hanged for murder after brutally killing and disfiguring his wife. The similarities between the brutalities inflicted on Mrs Bury and those suffered by the Ripper victims are remarkable. And when Bury handed himself in to police in Dundee, claiming that his wife had committed suicide, he said he was worried that people might think he was Jack the Ripper.
Today we restage the trial with new witnesses and new evidence. In the very same courtroom that Bury was tried in, we sit as the jury on the case with modern technology and forensic experts. HistoryHit.TV have teamed up with the forensic science unit at the University of Dundee, and legal teams from the University of Dundee and the University of Aberdeen to see if we can, at long last, find the truth. Did William Bury, hanged for the murder, kill his wife? And was he Jack the Ripper?
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@juliamartinshistory
@juliamartinshistory Ай бұрын
Incredible to see how modern forensic analysis can still shed new light on cases over a century old. It's like watching history and science collide right before our eyes!
@Frenchblue8
@Frenchblue8 15 күн бұрын
True and it's awesome
@Vee_of_the_Weald
@Vee_of_the_Weald Ай бұрын
Getting Aberdeen vs Dundee Unis students to retrial Bury is such a great idea - and great experience for the students. Very impressive!
@Gavosh1977
@Gavosh1977 Ай бұрын
I would like to see more of these type of documentries, very interesting and well done
@walkawaycat431
@walkawaycat431 Ай бұрын
Charles Allen Lechmere.
@margaretlumley1648
@margaretlumley1648 Ай бұрын
I loved the student lawyers ❤
@walkawaycat431
@walkawaycat431 Ай бұрын
@@margaretlumley1648 Watch "The Missing evidence: Jack the Ripper"
@lynnedelacy2841
@lynnedelacy2841 Ай бұрын
But I do t think they did a thorough job - burnt clothes in the hearth rope on the floor mutilated body in box ? So much more evidence And William should have been called to testify
@Theturtleowl
@Theturtleowl Ай бұрын
I studied law and a mock case like this one are a great way to learn. Would be fun to see History Hit do something like this again. Perhaps even with medical students.
@haleynixon6017
@haleynixon6017 29 күн бұрын
I was wondering if they were law students! I figured they are all so young and must had been practicing what they were in school for. How neat!
@leahyvonne1572
@leahyvonne1572 2 күн бұрын
​​@@haleynixon6017 they mentioned it very quickly in the video that they r students. I'm American so idk what mock trials are like in Scotland but, man, what a great experience for them! I spotted 2 in particular that I think will make excellent attorneys some day. (They all will I'm sure I just mean 2 were particularly confident)
@foldvarimarton
@foldvarimarton Ай бұрын
I'm surprised the graffiti on the wall and the door was not compared to William Bury's handwriting and to Jack the Ripper's letters.
@simonorton
@simonorton Ай бұрын
Of course it wasn't - it was washed off almost as quickly as it was written on
@simonholyoak8869
@simonholyoak8869 Ай бұрын
@@simonortonthe text of the message was transcribed by a policeman so as to preserve the message so there would have been no original suspect handwriting to match
@triplesunofone
@triplesunofone Ай бұрын
Plus they were never able to prove the writing on the wall was by jack or was just random graffiti…. They washed it off to prevent public uproar
@simonholyoak8869
@simonholyoak8869 Ай бұрын
@@triplesunofone spot on
@awotnot
@awotnot Ай бұрын
The letters could have been compared. However, nothwithstanding the fact that no one knows who wrote three or four most important letters, before the deluge of fake letters after the police shared knowledge of the original letter's existence, I suspect a comparison was done and no comparison made. Moreover, like the graffito in London, who knows if these two scribblings were recorded. If not, we do not know they even existed. But the inclusion of the tour guide talking about the Jack letters, for me, points to a failed comparison being made. Bury didn't commit the Ripper murders. The MO just does not match. And there's no solid evidence at all.
@RobGoodrich1972
@RobGoodrich1972 Ай бұрын
Background music too loud and distracting from the narrative. Otherwise, great!
@AJ-zx8by
@AJ-zx8by Ай бұрын
There is another suspicious character who killed his wife who was also from Bow at one time. His name was William Burrett and you can find his crime on the old Bailey. He disembowelled his partner and he was living with her while her job was as a prostitute. He hanged for his crime against his partner. The women were asked to leave the courtroom because the details of the case were so grim. The fatal wound was that in her abdomen and she had been stabbed 7 times.
@thebaronofbelco2615
@thebaronofbelco2615 Ай бұрын
I hadn’t heard about this bloke! Down the Rabbit Hole I go! Is there a specific page, Book or documentary on William Burrett that you can recommend? Thanks
@kariannecrysler640
@kariannecrysler640 Ай бұрын
The attempt to hide the body is a signature not associated with the ripper murders. So I could see two reasons for this: attempts to disguise a suicide for the victim to receive proper burial or an opportunist trying to mimic ripper murders that has more remorse than the actual ripper murder.
@kategaging3363
@kategaging3363 Ай бұрын
The fact it was his wife might have forced him to go to these means though because it’s far not likely he would get connected the death and blamed for her death
@pheart2381
@pheart2381 Ай бұрын
I dont think the Ripper had a sense of remorse. Its likely he wanted the bodies to be found. I don't think remorse was a sensation he would have been familiar with in any part of his life.
@kategaging3363
@kategaging3363 Ай бұрын
Yes that’s what I’m saying-he attempted to hide the body/stage the scene this time because he knew he would be connected to the murders. Nothing to do with remorse. I’m definitely not saying he is Jack the Ripper but I’m just saying we shouldn’t right it off because the actions after the killing and placement of the body was different to the others-I’m just saying that there is a possible explanation for this difference that doesn’t neccassarily discount him from the other murders.
@kariannecrysler640
@kariannecrysler640 Ай бұрын
@@pheart2381 agreed
@matthewwalker5430
@matthewwalker5430 Ай бұрын
There's a pretty obvious difference between this and the ripper murders though, if Bury was the ripper. All the victims in London were prostitutes not connected with him ... this was HIS wife ... in HIS home
@janetwebb2701
@janetwebb2701 Ай бұрын
Excellent episode. The forensic rehash was fantastic.
@TJDawgs72
@TJDawgs72 Ай бұрын
This absolutely fascinating...I would like to see more of this re-trial in it's whole. Thank you for this video.
@Hillbilly001
@Hillbilly001 Ай бұрын
It's fascinating how people comment on an hour long vid negatively only 6-8 minutes with it only being posted 10 minutes ago. Interesting.
@jprehberger
@jprehberger Ай бұрын
FYI: Some channel patrons may get early access to these videos. They may comment on them before the videos goes public. The comments are then published when the video is published. This is true for me on another channel.
@Hillbilly001
@Hillbilly001 Ай бұрын
@@jprehberger Indeed, however they are usually marked as such. Not two minutes into the video.
@kariannecrysler640
@kariannecrysler640 Ай бұрын
Lol good catch! Too many assume then assert 😉. I enjoy reserving conclusions until I get all info.
@Hillbilly001
@Hillbilly001 Ай бұрын
@@kariannecrysler640 I kinda chock it up to trolldom or keyboard warriors of some sort, but I agree.
@kariannecrysler640
@kariannecrysler640 Ай бұрын
@@Hillbilly001 lol
@devinshirekineally3721
@devinshirekineally3721 Ай бұрын
another great program! enjoyed the uni kids' mock court session
@Hungry86
@Hungry86 Ай бұрын
Production specific comment, not video specific. You guys desperately need someone to help you improve the quality and consistency of your videos' audio (I'm not looking for a job lol). The content is outstanding, but the audio is sometimes a huge pain. Just because the in-camera and narrative voices sound good on one system in one environment, doesn't mean that quality translates to others. It's frustratingly inconsistent between and within different videos you post. The start of this video sounds great on headphones, but terrible on laptop speakers. The background music stomps all over Dan's narration. The audio problems you're facing are not new problems, they've been solved many (many) times before.
@Hungry86
@Hungry86 19 күн бұрын
@@Blo0dyLeVi It's a PC running Neumann studio monitors that are calibrated to the room, which has bass traps and broadband absorbers.
@ProfessorM-he9rl
@ProfessorM-he9rl Ай бұрын
Excellent post, thank you. Jack got away with it. I really did like the mock court case as this shows how learning and experience can change things.
@margaretlumley1648
@margaretlumley1648 Ай бұрын
Thank you for such an awesome video! ❤
@davidd6171
@davidd6171 Ай бұрын
What is that hand held projector the tour guild is using?
@MrAdrianOldfield
@MrAdrianOldfield Ай бұрын
I think I could stand only around 5 mins with the author/tour guide lol
@chickenfist1554
@chickenfist1554 Ай бұрын
I was knackered just listening to him. Slow it down mate!
@carolwebber9247
@carolwebber9247 Ай бұрын
I went on a Jack the Ripper tour in the early 1980's and my interest in the subject was fuelled from then on.
@lw3646
@lw3646 28 күн бұрын
Back in the 1980s John Montacute Druit seemed to be the most popular suspect.
@garywait3231
@garywait3231 Ай бұрын
Very interesting and well presented recreation of a cause celebre from long ago. My one problem was that the captioning had a great difficulty with the Scottish dialect. I hope those needing captioning were not put off by the sometimes bizarre captions 😮
@TanyaRando
@TanyaRando Ай бұрын
They haven’t mentioned society’s attitude and the laws attitude about suicide, it was illegal in those days, including attempts.
@pheart2381
@pheart2381 Ай бұрын
Correct. Suicides could end up being buried in an independently run place,such as the one in Dicken's Bleak House.
@andrewleah1983
@andrewleah1983 Ай бұрын
It’s still illegal. It’s still murder.
@TanyaRando
@TanyaRando Ай бұрын
@@andrewleah1983 sorry, but it’s not still illegal or murder and even the Catholic Church has changed its stance and allows burial on sanctified ground. Nobody EVER gets prosecuted for suicidal thoughts or attempts nowadays.
@ps123fan
@ps123fan Ай бұрын
@@andrewleah1983 dosent matter if its illegal and a person does it, if they do, the law enforsment cant do anything
@Dusk.EighthLegion
@Dusk.EighthLegion 26 күн бұрын
@@andrewleah1983 No it isn't, suicide is suicide, murder is murder, they're two different things.
@jak3589
@jak3589 21 күн бұрын
That was great & very believable by everyone playing their parts. Good work.
@beckyglenni
@beckyglenni Ай бұрын
I'm a big fan of Dr Richard Shepherd, his book Unnatural Causes has to be one of the best-written and most fascinating books I've read. Brilliant to see him here giving evidence and bringing this case to life.
@SunsetNova
@SunsetNova Ай бұрын
He isn’t Jack the Ripper
@jamesmaybrick2001
@jamesmaybrick2001 Ай бұрын
I agree. I know.
@amberm8610
@amberm8610 Ай бұрын
"To be on the safe side I'm going to convict you of murder anyway." 😆
@blazbratovic2724
@blazbratovic2724 Ай бұрын
"Was Jack The Ripper Actually Caught?" Yes, both literally and metaphorically. His name was Charles Allen Lechmere (the guy who was found at the scene of Polly Nichols murder). QC James Scobie agrees the evidence collected is sufficient for a modern murder trial.
@MrBeckenhimself
@MrBeckenhimself Ай бұрын
False. The so called case against Lechmere is based on make belief. It's all about he could have done this and he could have done that. As for actual evidence to tie him to the murders there is none. Pretend time is not the same as factual evidence. We don't have anything to link Lechmere to The Ripper murders. Nothing and if you claim there is then spit it out. I've watched the house of Lechmere channel. Same thing, make belief and could have and nothing more. The only suspect who can be linked to two of the murders more than Lechmere mind you is the man who is the prime suspect. Kosminski, and even with the DNA on the shawl connected to the Eddowes murder, even with the witness probably Schwartz identifying Kosminski as the man who attacked Liz Stride. Even with that we still can't say it was him.
@Concetta20
@Concetta20 Ай бұрын
I agree.
@iseveer
@iseveer 29 күн бұрын
That doesn't mean he's guilty and even if he was guilty of that one murder it still doesn't mean he killed anybody else
@blazbratovic2724
@blazbratovic2724 29 күн бұрын
@@iseveer Indeed, though Polly Nichols is considered a canonical victim. But if a former detective superintendent and barrister of highest order say he was, then he very likely was indeed.
@OoxB505
@OoxB505 22 күн бұрын
Completely agree. Look into it and you’ll realise how implausible it is for JTR to have been anyone else.
@prophetessoftroy
@prophetessoftroy Ай бұрын
I love when Dr. Dame Sue Black makes an unexpected appearance!
@jonathanmonck-mason6715
@jonathanmonck-mason6715 Ай бұрын
Having watched the whole thing I really don't understand why the jury had any doubt at all.
@LucasMoore88
@LucasMoore88 Ай бұрын
A really bad prosecution witness with the medical examiner did the trick. He was def very unsure of himself and flip floppy. He also didn't give good explanations for his findings which created the reasonable doubt. He kinda of talked about this when he said SLIGHTLY but he should have and could have said even if it was a door handle or something else in the house the ligiture mark still would have been higher than where it was based on the angle and the place was said to be bare so what reasonable explaination is there for those marks other than him. That coupled with the dismemberment and body placement he was DEF guilty. The 1st jury got it RIGHT imo
@jeffreyhutchins6527
@jeffreyhutchins6527 Ай бұрын
interesting how Bury, did not commit any "Ripper" style murders on the streets of Dundee. Considering serial killers don't just stop. And the only killing in all the days there was of his wife.
@deborahminter6231
@deborahminter6231 17 күн бұрын
He targeted victims outside of his neighborhood.
@NickGillings-vf3ye
@NickGillings-vf3ye Ай бұрын
I remember reading that not long after the murders stopped a series of almost identical killings happened in a foreign city ( i cannot recall which one ) and some believe this was Jack having escaped justice here…..
@lionheart830
@lionheart830 Ай бұрын
Was it in New York in the US?
@lindahodge5024
@lindahodge5024 Ай бұрын
New Jersey.
@lionheart830
@lionheart830 Ай бұрын
@@lindahodge5024 Thanks!
@1cdmap
@1cdmap 28 күн бұрын
San Francisco around 1900 too
@NanaBren
@NanaBren 28 күн бұрын
H.H. Holmes
@juliet5263
@juliet5263 Ай бұрын
The audio is an issue. The music and background sound drown out the voices speaking.
@TheLadyT23
@TheLadyT23 Ай бұрын
Really enjoyed that! I'd have doubt too.
@freedominion7369
@freedominion7369 Ай бұрын
Impressive dramatic representation of these tragedies ⚖️ 🙏✝️
@kevinb9830
@kevinb9830 Ай бұрын
I can't get past the mutilation - you don't mutilate a suicide victim. Especially your wife. That's very clearly rage.
@KingBritish
@KingBritish Ай бұрын
Love a documentary on JTR.
@samjones1954
@samjones1954 Ай бұрын
any chance you can get a balance with the volume. Narrator is twice the volume of anyone else
@trikepilot101
@trikepilot101 Ай бұрын
I would like to hear a profiler comment on if Bury's personality matches the one the ripper would likely have.
@zarabee2880
@zarabee2880 Ай бұрын
Gawd, I could listen to Dr Shepherd read a phone book ❤❤❤❤
@rolandrothwell4840
@rolandrothwell4840 Ай бұрын
Well may be, may be not? It's likely that Jack looked very ordinary and was probably a labourer. He was apt at using a knife, and I'm sure he had severe mental health problems.
@paulgilbert2520
@paulgilbert2520 Ай бұрын
Really interesting, never heard of this one before
@William-bn9ok
@William-bn9ok Ай бұрын
Bury wrote a letter of confession to be read after his death admitting that he strangled his wife. It's in the Scottish Archives and there are photos of it online. The mock trial fails to mention this. Total waste of time other than to show jack the ripper almost walked out of there.
@Vee_of_the_Weald
@Vee_of_the_Weald Ай бұрын
Please someone tell Mick Preicely he needs to slow down when his speaks during his tour. It’s impossible to follow him!! How can tourists whose first language isn’t English understand a word he says? 😂
@jamescorlett5272
@jamescorlett5272 Ай бұрын
English in England What says you ¿ .
@beardedlonewolf7695
@beardedlonewolf7695 Ай бұрын
I thought the same thing, even for people speaking English it's way too fast you can't reflect or think on anything he says, might as well go to a library and read books on it, then go to these locations.
@lucyj8204
@lucyj8204 Ай бұрын
lol just me watching this video on 2x speed and keeping up just fine
@jimmy2k4o
@jimmy2k4o Ай бұрын
I’m from Glasgow, he was speaking too slow
@TheIsemgrim
@TheIsemgrim Ай бұрын
he is either on speed or just super duper nervous.
@janerkenbrack3373
@janerkenbrack3373 Ай бұрын
This shows us that cases are won and lost on presentation of the case, not necessarily on the facts. The circumstances of this clearly and strongly suggest the man murdered his wife. His refusal to try and account for why he had mutilated her corpse and packed her into a box, only give more support to murder. If I were trying this case I would paint a plausible narrative. The wife is upset with being moved away from home and lodged in a squalid flat, her husband drinking away her money, and the subsequent violence. In a rage he strangles her and mutilates her body. Perhaps he was Jack the Ripper, maybe he confessed to her and she wrote it on the walls. Maybe he did so in his drunken state. He packs her body up with the idea of smuggling it out and dumping it, before fleeing town. As he sobers up, he realized how implausible that he could get rid of her body without notice, or have enough resources to get far away without being caught. So he concocts a tale of suicide and hopes for a lucky jury. In the second trial, that is what he got.
@host_theghost507
@host_theghost507 Ай бұрын
This is a good illustration of why you don't just rely on forensic experts: they're never going to say that something *couldn't* happen, which leaves too much room for doubt in the jury's mind. The prosecution needed to present a theory and they also needed to remind the jury that Elizabeth was a victim even before she died. As we saw in America at the O.J. Simpson trial, if the jury has more sympathy for the accused than they do for the victim, they are likely to ignore all kinds of evidence, no matter how conclusive it is. But of course this was for an anatomy program, so of course the forensic pathologists ran the show.
@ZurlHammerdoom
@ZurlHammerdoom Ай бұрын
Here is another very plausible explanation. Ellen, realizes she has married and followed a poor excuse for a man, that her life could not get any worse, that she is now penniless, more or less alone, and at the mercy of a drunken abuser. No longer willing to suffer such a life she hangs herself. William comes home drunk out of his gourde and finds his wife killed herself. Being the drunken abuser he is he then grabs a knife and stabs her several times while cussing at his bad luck for marrying such a weak and thankless woman. He rescues her from prostitution, gives her a house and a legitimate life, and she thanks him by killing herself. He then drags a wooden box into his living room and forces her body inside doing whatever is necessary, ie: breaking her legs. When he awakes from his drunken stupor he realizes his nightmare wasn’t actually a nightmare but reality instead. Seeing how badly he mutilated the body he is now embarrassed and shocked. So, he goes to the police and reports his wife’s death. The reason he doesn’t testify is because he is embarrassed at his drunken tirade and feels guilty for driving her to suicide. He is also afraid of being linked to the Jack the Ripper murders. He is afraid that speaking about how brutal and heartless he was with the body might cause the jury to make connections that aren’t really there. Especially so with what was written outside his flat.
@janerkenbrack3373
@janerkenbrack3373 Ай бұрын
@@ZurlHammerdoom Fancy story. Except she wasn't a prostitute. And who wrote that Jack The Ripper message outside of their rooms? Was it her, telling the world that he had confessed to her that he was Jack? Did he return to find her packing to leave him? Anyone can tell stories. Here the kids did a poor job of putting on a trial.
@ZurlHammerdoom
@ZurlHammerdoom Ай бұрын
@@janerkenbrack3373 the video states she was prostitute working for James whatever his name is, the sawdust trader.
@jimburow706
@jimburow706 Ай бұрын
Thank you thank you thank you for not making this documentary all about the crime scene photos!
@TwoBun
@TwoBun Ай бұрын
The is some analysis of Francis Tumblety, a quack Doctor and salesman. Apparently the "from Hell" letter is consistent with Francis Tumblety's writing, and contains Irish contractions that he would think of.
@steveharris8248
@steveharris8248 Ай бұрын
Four Jack experts were asked who they thought Jack was. Two believed it was Francis Tumblety, an American. One declined to say. The fourth expert's suspect was easily the least plausible of all those ever cited. The circumstantial evidence pointing to Tumblety is overwhelmingly convincing and the Metropolitan Police have for well over a century known this, having fluffed their only chance to arrest him.
@Heygoodlooking-lk9kg
@Heygoodlooking-lk9kg Ай бұрын
I've read so many books on Jack the ripper, but this story is by far the sorriest case of a suspect, there's nothing at all to suggest William Bury was jack the ripper,,,,it's pathetic
@beardedlonewolf7695
@beardedlonewolf7695 Ай бұрын
Neither was back then, but when he said himself that he murdered his wife and how, it was clear that he wasn't Jack the Ripper.
@danwelham
@danwelham Ай бұрын
Wasn’t pathetic at the time as back in 1888 they sent inspector abberline to investigate bury himself
@Heygoodlooking-lk9kg
@Heygoodlooking-lk9kg Ай бұрын
@@danwelham shows how much idea abberlibe had doesn't it,,,, again pathetic
@danwelham
@danwelham Ай бұрын
@@Heygoodlooking-lk9kg bury wasn’t the Ripper police did decent job an every chance they stoped jack an sent him to asylum serial killers don’t just stop killing Jacob levy for me was more likely jack
@kevinjohnbetts
@kevinjohnbetts Ай бұрын
@@Heygoodlooking-lk9kg What I think the programme demonstrates is that evidence for any individual being Jack the Ripper is scant. A list of potential suspects is reeled off and the only evidence against them is circumstantial. Same with Bury. He was in the right place at the right time. The murders ceased when he moved to Dundee. When his wife died he mutilated the body in a manner similar to The Ripper. The graffiti on the walls is suggestive but no more. Was Bury The Ripper? He could have been but so could hundreds of others. More interesting was the trial and the forensic evidence. The Ripper aspect is secondary really.
@hetfieldstoilet
@hetfieldstoilet Ай бұрын
Hellsteeth Illustration does a fantastic map of the Whitechapel murders.
@natalieeis9284
@natalieeis9284 Ай бұрын
I didn't expect the graphic details about the poor mutilated women. 😳
@adam_p99
@adam_p99 Ай бұрын
The opening statement in this video is incorrect. Or at least, unknown so speculative at best. “In 1889….” The murders happened in 1888, so there’s nothing to suggest that JtR was still in the area during the following year. The number one suspect at the time was chased to America.
@synsrfem4428
@synsrfem4428 Ай бұрын
That tour guide was really off-putting.
@lauraholmes2402
@lauraholmes2402 7 күн бұрын
I’d love to see more things like this. I’d be curious to know how many people would be convicted in today’s justice system. It’s also excellent practice for students.
@hetrodoxlysonov-wh9oo
@hetrodoxlysonov-wh9oo Ай бұрын
It's interesting to see they have the original constable who escorted William Bury into court.
@florete2310
@florete2310 Ай бұрын
Yeah, BUT... what's with the Ripper's knowledge about anatomy and his butcher-like skillset? Where does that fit in? What Bury did to the corpse of his wife was rather simple (if one would want to call it that way), in comparison to the London murders... I dunno. I'm not convinced.
@mohammedsaysrashid3587
@mohammedsaysrashid3587 Ай бұрын
Wonderful historical coverage video about [Jack the ripper] story ....a horrible story created by wavering wagged amongst ( harlots murdered, a newspaper 📰 exploited, location in dirty - night darknesspoorly-humbled habitant streets in London... 19th century years...
@elizabethmcglothlin5406
@elizabethmcglothlin5406 Ай бұрын
Given their history, she may have been intoxicated when she was strangled or strangled herself. The mutilation does seem to point to something more sinister. Very interesting. While I doubt he was the Ripper, he may have been influenced by the news accounts, especially since he lived in the area. The bruises are also interesting. And a slight rise in a ligature could also be caused by someone taller standing or even kneeling behind the victim.
@alanprouse2193
@alanprouse2193 Ай бұрын
1889??? Lost me.
@gregwestwood5160
@gregwestwood5160 Ай бұрын
I had to skip that tour guide...
@joechiodi5529
@joechiodi5529 Ай бұрын
Talked wayyyy too fast. In a very annoying voice. I would have wanted my money back if I was in that tour.
@esbliss13
@esbliss13 Ай бұрын
They keep missing the most important reason for disfiguring a suicide in those days would be the shame of a suicide. It just doesn't have the same stigma today. Although he was an angry sick bastard, I don't think he was Jack.
@7thsonofa7thson80
@7thsonofa7thson80 Ай бұрын
Id love to do that tour.
@Brissebrajan
@Brissebrajan Ай бұрын
a good video, and a fun addition of a "trial". But i find that they left out many key questions in their questioning of the experts. And also the question, could he have been framed. It sound like its all a work based on the assumption "he did it" now find me the evidence to sentence him. Instead of investigating and ruling out all possible alternatives. Sure it could have been done, but left out of this video. But going back to the "trial" i still feel like it was done bad over all, and the students should have gone a bit further in their questions to the experts. And no one brings up the other stuff, even the jury in the video have a talking point "he said to the police he found her on the floor, if she had hanged he should have found her haning by the rope". Well not if some else one cut the rope and later mutilated her and stuffed her into the box. This case with the lack of information in the video, is far from "he did it", and come across with a huge tunnel vision of "he did it". And when we talk about jack the ripper", It more plausible that Francis Tumblety was "jack the ripper" than this guy. Any way a good and interesting video even though i having more questions of how the people in it can be so sure he murdered his wife. =)
@jakehammond12345
@jakehammond12345 Ай бұрын
I thought the basement flat didn't have a fire ?
@barryhogan3795
@barryhogan3795 Ай бұрын
not being picky but would women have been allowed on the jury at this time in 1889
@L_MD_
@L_MD_ Ай бұрын
No they weren’t. I think it was around 1910 onwards women were permitted - you’d have to look up what year the removal sex disqualification act came in.
@savetommyrobinsonfreespeec7660
@savetommyrobinsonfreespeec7660 Ай бұрын
I believe he strangled her whilst carrying out the rest of the attack, it’s not impossible to do more than one thing at a time, and crammed her into the box to get rid of her… Definitely guilty!
@LIFETOVER
@LIFETOVER Ай бұрын
Ambience music is too high...
@BJones-yw4dd
@BJones-yw4dd Ай бұрын
Wherever the absolutely BRILLIANT Prof. Sue Black is involved, I want to be there.
@sahibjaan1832
@sahibjaan1832 Ай бұрын
Nice Sharing good velog ♥️❤️ Pls stay connected
@helenhebert7127
@helenhebert7127 Ай бұрын
I could have doubt if he only tried to hide the body. It’s the mutilation that convinces me of his guilt.
@katherinecollins4685
@katherinecollins4685 Ай бұрын
Very interesting
@markmuldoon805
@markmuldoon805 17 күн бұрын
I thought that was brilliantly done. Excellent.
@owenywanperoni7939
@owenywanperoni7939 Ай бұрын
Brilliant i had 1 thought! What if the wife wrote the messages on the wall?
@MLennholm
@MLennholm Ай бұрын
I expected the judge to say "The bad news is you were already executed 130 years ago" 😄
@EmmaJC-ts9gu
@EmmaJC-ts9gu 3 күн бұрын
Within the first minute there is a mistake. Jack The Ripper was active in the Autumn of 1888, not 1889.
@melanieg5459
@melanieg5459 Ай бұрын
I would ask if there was a height difference between husband and wife. If the husband was taller, and came from behind, that could cause a subtle rise in the ligature mark
@drbigmdftnu
@drbigmdftnu 5 күн бұрын
I thought of that. Seems like a good point.
@fefnireindraer144
@fefnireindraer144 8 күн бұрын
130 years ago they found him guilty because they thought he was guilty, not because of the evidence. Reasonable doubt didn't exist back then apparently.
@arthuroldale-ki2ev
@arthuroldale-ki2ev Ай бұрын
I thought the case had been closed?
@Wonderwhoopin
@Wonderwhoopin Ай бұрын
😐😳 this video makes it way more interesting and intense. But now I’m just wondering if the killer or killers were caught or what
@claredyson9936
@claredyson9936 Ай бұрын
I don't think I have ever heard this one. Nothing was ever mentioned about the fact his mother was incarcerated in a mental hospital. Im sure that would be brought up in a modern trial in case of mental illness. Another point that could connect to jtr is the saw dust trade. He would have seen butchers at work all time on his deliveries and their techniques.
@-TheJewel-
@-TheJewel- 15 күн бұрын
He sounded like he was copy catting Jack the Ripper.
@DeeDerry
@DeeDerry Ай бұрын
I remember good old Sawdust 💯
@JohnDoe-tw8es
@JohnDoe-tw8es 26 күн бұрын
Very interesting...
@Vinceras
@Vinceras Ай бұрын
I have my doubts of him being Jack the Ripper...trying to hide the body was different...but then again, Jack likely never murdered someone that was in direct association with him either. I'm curious if there was ever a toxicology report in Bury's murder...it wouldn't be outside the possibility that he made her unable to fight back with all sorts of chemicals or poisons, thus invalidating the defense's primary case. It's definitely a case where you cannot reasonably that Bury for-sure killed his wife. Incredibly interesting video!
@William-bn9ok
@William-bn9ok Ай бұрын
There'd be no need for toxicology. What isn't mentioned is that in the end Bury wrote a letter confessing that he killed his wife by strangulation. If you consider how Bury cut open his wife's privates and backside, as detailed in the official medical reports, it's the same as the ripper: Ellen Bury: ‘On the inner side of the right labium was a wound 2 inches in length, penetrating the skin. Beginning about an inch behind the anus was an incised wound running forwards and to the left, into the perinaeum, and dividing the sphincter muscle'; Running downwards from the centre of the pubis to the outer side of the left labium was an incised wound 2 ½ inches in length, penetrating the skin and fat. Eddowes: ‘The incision went down the right side of the vagina and rectum for half an inch behind the rectum' Eddowes had a stab to her groin; Bury stabbed each groin on Ellen once. He penetrated through her abdominal wall and created a rip with a jagged edge. There were numerous other cuts and stabs. Martha Tabram had a three inch cut to her privates. Bury was clealry the ripper
@miniflem1
@miniflem1 Ай бұрын
Beardy Joe the tour guide, seems like a poor substitute for Martin Fido.
@danielwebster5748
@danielwebster5748 Ай бұрын
Yes murder was quite common back then especially unsolved murder. Unless they basically caught you in the act or you had a strong eyewitness you couldn't be convicted of a crime. That was even if I'm not mistaken before fingerprints. The only thing that said Jack the ripper report the one thing that made his murders still remembered today while the other unsolved murders are not remembered, is Jack the ripper mutilated. Also he took body parts away something the average killer did not do. Jack the ripper was a thrill killer while the average murder in London at the time was probably profit motivated.
@brandonpeters1618
@brandonpeters1618 Ай бұрын
David Cohen aka Nathan Kaminsky was Jack the Ripper (David Cohen was used as ‘John Doe’ in Victorian England)
@kevinb9830
@kevinb9830 Ай бұрын
I think your certainty is unwarranted.
@brandonpeters1618
@brandonpeters1618 Ай бұрын
@@kevinb9830 Thanks, your comment was unwarranted. Now please fuck off huh
@DoctorBastard
@DoctorBastard Ай бұрын
Unless you have a time machine, you don't know that for sure.
@lw3646
@lw3646 28 күн бұрын
He's a good one, Martin Fido researched him.
@jamesjukebox2386
@jamesjukebox2386 Ай бұрын
JOCK the Ripper?
@AceMoonshot
@AceMoonshot Ай бұрын
Nice one.
@davekeating.
@davekeating. Ай бұрын
Bury was from Wolverhampton...
@jamesjukebox2386
@jamesjukebox2386 Ай бұрын
@@davekeating. Jack the Wolverine then.
@Mulder-Scully
@Mulder-Scully Күн бұрын
This really sheds light on why our current world is in the state it's in with the guilty having more rights than the victims..................sigh
@smallies7154
@smallies7154 Ай бұрын
if it doesnt fit, you must acquit
@stillhoIding
@stillhoIding Ай бұрын
You really should do proper subtitles for people out of scotland...you cant understand them if your not english :/
@AceMoonshot
@AceMoonshot Ай бұрын
You ever have people use the wrong words and you just feel the need to correct them? People are hanged, not hung. If isn't, 'she hung herself.' It is, 'she hanged herself.'
@runlarryrun77
@runlarryrun77 Ай бұрын
"Coats are hung. Men are hanged." That was the phrase that used to be used to distinguish the two. That mistake irks me for some reason too.
@andrewleah1983
@andrewleah1983 Ай бұрын
Because people are stupid and the influence of Americanisms being inflicted upon this country.
@Byrenious
@Byrenious Ай бұрын
​@runlarryrun77 to be fair, some men are hung too. I'd say people are hanged
@runlarryrun77
@runlarryrun77 Ай бұрын
@@Byrenious To be fair, I was directly quoting the old saying which is why I said "men" & not "people". I knew someone would get *hung* up on that aspect though.
@lindahodge5024
@lindahodge5024 Ай бұрын
I like too be corrected,I want to know,correct me😅
@esbliss13
@esbliss13 Ай бұрын
If you watch the documentary The Missing Evidence: Jack the Ripper. They have the best case that it was Charles Allen Lechmere a so called passer by. It absolutely has him on the scene or nearby for every murder.
@andrewholland7712
@andrewholland7712 Ай бұрын
I agree hes the best suspect by miles.
@craiggayler7325
@craiggayler7325 Ай бұрын
Absolutely Charles cross . No other suspect comes close
@MrBeckenhimself
@MrBeckenhimself Ай бұрын
Another one who wants to play make belief. They can't connect Lechmere to any of the murders. Not one single one of them. They sure try. When they do it sounds something like this, Lechmere could have done this, he could have been in the area at the time. It's all pretend. Nothing ties him to the murders absolutely nothing. Sure you can pretend otherwise like so many other fans of the Lechmere theory do. But you just like them fail when it comes to actually proving Lechmere WAS there when the murders were committed. Not that he "could" have been there. Could have does not count as evidence of any kind. You either put him there at the times of the murders, by facts. By evidence. Not by hypothetical theories. Or you admit you can't. An honest man would simply admit they can't, which is the truth and so Lechmere is not The Ripper. Because if he was you can prove it, and you can't.
@Drinadraws
@Drinadraws Ай бұрын
Yes I agree. It’s not certain obviously, but Charles Lechmere is in my opinion, the best candidate.
@rebelbelle62
@rebelbelle62 14 күн бұрын
I want to know who he is, because I want to know why he stopped. And if he didn't stop ,why he changed his method of killing, and why he started his killings in the first his place.
@warwarneverchanges4937
@warwarneverchanges4937 Ай бұрын
I really like to take a tour with Mick exellent tour guide
@prevost8686
@prevost8686 Ай бұрын
I guess “Ripper Tours” are still a thing in the old Whitechapel area.
@broken1394
@broken1394 Ай бұрын
I've done one, too bad there isn't much left of the old days. Mitre Square was still pretty spooky. 🗡
@lyndoncmp5751
@lyndoncmp5751 Ай бұрын
Seriously, who needs to go on a Ripper tour with crowds of other people with another tour following just behind? Just do it yourself and at a quieter time. Information is easily found on the internet.
@kevinb9830
@kevinb9830 Ай бұрын
@@lyndoncmp5751 it's a tourist experience, really.
@lyndoncmp5751
@lyndoncmp5751 Ай бұрын
@@kevinb9830 Yeah I know the streets well. Was there only just earlier this year (I live just 20 miles to the southwest). You can literally see one JTR tour group ahead of you and another tour group behind you..... with probably another tour group behind that. Yikes!!! They are like buses. One after the other.
@andrewleah1983
@andrewleah1983 Ай бұрын
Yes, why is that strange?
@seraphinaaizen6278
@seraphinaaizen6278 Ай бұрын
The defense managed to distill this down to single point: the ligature marks having an upward slope or note. But that isn't all the evidence you had. You haven't got a body an inconclusive ligature mark. You've got a body stuffed in a box, that's been mutilated, and has a plethora of injuries over and above that one point. Why is this woman, who allegedly hung herself, stuffed in a box with multiple wounds? Because she was murdered, that's why. The defense managed to burn this down to a single point of contention, and the prosecution did a terrible job letting them get away with it. But no, he wasn't Jack the Ripper. He was just an abusive spouse who murdered his wife. As abusive spouses often do.
@cb8199
@cb8199 Ай бұрын
1889? 1888...
@hogwashmcturnip8930
@hogwashmcturnip8930 Ай бұрын
The Ripper murders were 1888. This case was 1889
@oriana7026
@oriana7026 Ай бұрын
I wish they'd put subtitles under this Scottish fellow's words - nothing against him or the Scots, but I just can't understand more than a word or two of what he is saying.
@Russia-bullies
@Russia-bullies Ай бұрын
Thanks for the good & enthralling show.More of such shows,pls.My guess:He was guilty.Another interesting explanation=He took the heat for The Ripper because he was a fan of The Ripper but the explanation has “holes”.
@suemcgregor9248
@suemcgregor9248 Ай бұрын
Here's the honest truth, we never got him
@alexduggan68
@alexduggan68 Ай бұрын
A great book is Jack the Ripper, a New Investigation. It names someone (not Lechmere) as the most likely subject.
@Eddie4518
@Eddie4518 6 сағат бұрын
The first line of this 0:04 is in correct?!! It was 1888!
@linpollitt8950
@linpollitt8950 Ай бұрын
I think Bury was guilty of murdering his wife but I don't think he was Jack the Ripper.
@user-sq4jz9up6g
@user-sq4jz9up6g 23 күн бұрын
When his identity is revealed on Judgement Day we'll say...Who?
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