Dave Butler- Encircled In the Robes of CHRIST's Righteousness: The Temple in the BOOK of MORMON

[@wendyfoster5579]

I love the phrase that the temple is there to maintain a sacred space.

[@primafacie5029]

Love listening to Bro Butler

[@ByWayofCommandment]

Same!

[@valeriesteele1497]

Me too!

[@Hettav_Blackwater]

Me too, but I wish I could talk to him, there is much more to discuss 😊

[@CrackedCandy]

​@c.douglass8170 start a channel get some b team guests and then invite him on.

[@theresasoaft2201]

Why we should be reading or in the BOM daily-It is for us commune with the Lord. To understand our relation to who He is to us and who we are in to Him. The BOM is a portal to understanding the Mysteries of Godliness. Thank you for this video and the time you both dedicated!

[@ByWayofCommandment]

Yes, the BOM is a wellspring of spiritual nourishment. Thank you for watching!

[@denisekyle6603]

I thank you both so very much

[@FinallyMe78]

Dave said he has covered all of this in other youtube channels. But I have listened to those and he shared new stuff here. Worth the listen. Thanks for covering this and making Dave talk more. :)

[@psychlops924]

“How oft would I have gathered you, as a hen gathereth her chickens.” Covered and protected in His wings.

[@ByWayofCommandment]

Bingo!

[@iknovate]

That's my thought every time!

[@TrentSmith-m4h]

Matt 5:15… “candle” is a mis-translation. The Hebrew “neer” there means “lamp”. Oil symbolizes the Spirit. We use our hands to receive the “blessing” of being filled with righteousness. What shape is a small, handheld oil lamp from 50 AD?

[@psychlops924]

This was awesome. My first time to your channel (It was recommended because I listen to all of Dave’s Stick of Joseph and Ward Radio stuff), but I will certainly be back

[@ByWayofCommandment]

Thanks for watching. I'm glad you found our conversation enjoyable.

[@psychlops924]

@@ByWayofCommandmentnot enjoyable, mind blowing. I had to pause several times to process what I was hearing. You guys covered some amazing stuff here

[@stellablackson716]

Thank you for this. Wonderful.

[@ByWayofCommandment]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@StewartSwitzer]

What a comforting realization; also I told my daughter many years ago that I was wondering if the Knights Templar brought the most important treasure, the Temple Ordinances and maybe it worked it way to Joseph Smith and I suspect it was the Hand of the Lord God bringing it all together as it should be or could we say it is part of the restoration.

[@simonthewelshman]

Where did Jesus and his family flee too when Herod was trying to kill all the boys? Egypt... Where is Egypt? The mediteranean sea... Who controlled the sea? The Romans. Did the Romans have transport ships for money? Yes. Did the family have Gold Frankensense and Myrh? Yes. Egypt was the exit point... not the destination... that may answer your question... in a different way.. look up the hymn Jerusalem... think about Jesus visiting UK... how hard and far would it be in shipping lanes?

[@phadrus]

Personally I think the remnant of the righteous Nephites and Lamanites who still live on the North American continent had/have the temple rites and gave them to Joseph and Hyrum, they then simplified them and gave them to the church members.

[@DerekPayne1791]

Beautiful discussion my brothers!

[@ByWayofCommandment]

I'm glad you enjoyed it.

[@wendyfoster5579]

This is a great discussion.

[@ByWayofCommandment]

Thanks for watching! I'm glad you liked it.

[@TrentSmith-m4h]

We still exchange those same symbols at that same place in the temple… in the same order.

[@denisebagley2342]

Iron rod. You loose your sight if you don’t have enough iron. In your blood. Iron makes the strongest swords. It’s a great one to study.

[@bethanytredway6111]

Contrast the iron rod with the yoke of iron that Satan uses to ensnare us. Think about the increased agency that comes with grasping the rod, and the decreased agency of the yoke of iron closing in around our necks.

[@helenlehman2939]

How many temples actually have a Holy of Holies? I love the way you explain the connections between the various texts that describe the iron rod, the word of God, and the Temple ordinances.

[@SynapticSamurai]

I had a thought while watching this, the Salt Lake temple is being renovated to remove the movement between rooms. It is easy to just be sad. And see this as a logistical change, sad that we seem to be removing some of the symbolizim that is being discussed in this video, that we will no longer be moving from the Telestial to the Terrestrial to the Celestial rooms. We can be sad about that and see it as a sacrifice of symbolism to get more people through the temple Or... We can see potential revelation/progress growth of those entering the temple. I have already seen poweful symbolism of growth in those attending the temple no longer wearing Aaronic priesthood robes. Why? Becauase it makes the temple a smoother, less challenging experience for those who struggle to put on the clothing? Or... The people who are attending the temple now do not need to prepare. They do not need to wear or use the Aaronic priesthood. They have been either reserved for a time, and are of such a spiritual maturity that they entered more prepared (for those who have attended since that change) or they like me have matured to no longer needing to wear those robes, no longer need to prepare. The temples being built/renovated are for the work of the millennium. The people around in the millennium will be terrestrial law keepers and, as such, can start in that room. Just my thoughts. Thanks for the video. Any chance David would be willing to share that powerpoint so I can more visually see all these temple references and can update my scripture chains so i can be reminded when I forget?

[@ByWayofCommandment]

That's an interesting thought! Thanks for sharing!

[@psychlops924]

I thought of it as we are still using a three part space, but now it’s the initiatory room, the instruction room, and the celestial room. In my mind at least, as I’ve done more initiatories, I’ve understood that it is an integral part of the endowment, not something separate. We only separate it due to logistics

[@ByWayofCommandment]

This has been my thinking lately, as well.

[@TheHappyNarwhals]

I got some new insights thank you for this interview!

[@ByWayofCommandment]

I'm glad you found something of value from it!

[@iknovate]

Ooooh, I want the Matthew 5, 6 and 7 conversation! It's always been clear to me that Matthew 7 was severely stripped of relevant information. The most important parts are what it didn't say.

[@helenlehman2939]

I guess this is the reality of mankind's Free Agency to choose to listen to truth; or close their minds and hear the mysteries of God

[@michaelwright124]

As you talked about the Robes of righteousness, and the Garment, I believe this is also the wedding garment talked about in the parable. But as in all visions ,dreams, parables, what is being presented is a concept. The concept of becoming one with them. There garment was provided by the king, so I think what it's all pointing to is the doctrine of christ and specifically being baptized by Him spiritually. Or in other words a baptism of Fire and the baptism of the Holy Ghost. That's when your able to stand in their presence. Cleansed of all unrighteousness. Their power and glory now being put upon you. It's like a garment, or a robe. You have provided the sacrifice to THE High Priest able to enter into the Holy of Holies.

[@frankcastle5513]

If you search the scriptures you will understand more clearly and anchor your belief in truth. Don't leave it to weakly tethered belief.

[@GinaMacArt]

I love listening to Dave Butler, and Mike Day, but I feel so dumb and ignorant because I have never picked up on the true messages within the Scriptures. 😢

[@frankcastle5513]

The temple is the pattern of the fulness of the Gospel, which is the Doctrine of Christ. HE is the End to whom we must endure. The Doctrine of Christ is not just a piece of the temple instruction. Temple patterns, temple mysteries are meant for instruction to teach us, they are not the way in and of itself.

[@loisleonard9436]

The beginning of this universe.

[@terihuling2943]

What is the Testament of Levi and where to find it

[@ByWayofCommandment]

The Testament of Levi is a pseudepagraphical text from around the 2nd century BC. It is one of several texts that compose the "Testaments of the 12 Patriarchs". They're predominantly viewed as apocalyptic literature, similar to Daniel, Ezekiel, etc. and are written from the perspective of the 12 sons of Israel/Jacob. You can find them online at a few different sites, such as thefirmament.org

[@luckyson7594]

Not sure many know how to press through the mist of darkness or what the straight and narrow path is. A good question would be what is being said about gates…are there four gates and four rods? Does this symbolize anything that anyone is aware of? I wonder what Dave would have to say about thieves not entering straightway or of sheepfolds?

[@luckyson7594]

John 10:1-16 King James Version 10 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. 4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. 5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. 6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them. 7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. 10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. 11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. 12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep. 13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep. 14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. 15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

[@denisebagley2342]

White stone , brother of Jared , get when you go to celestial Kingdom.. found in all 3 works

[@IvyDodd-t4l]

So daved who will be on earth during the millennium

[@rhallanger]

Which temple was that on the video picture?

[@joycegrover1146]

Temple was in Egypt!,,, a follow thru from Adam before Abraham and Moses’s input! I don’t understand your question “ where did the temple come from”???? Answer please!!

[@Hettav_Blackwater]

What is this clothing? “...And no creature is hidden from God, but everything is naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must render an account…” (Hebrews 4) “...I spread my cloak over you and covered your nakedness. I swore a solemn oath to you and entered into a marriage covenant with you, declares the Sovereign Lord, and you became mine…” (Ezekiel 16) “...And look, I am sending you what my Father promised. But stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.” (Luke 22) - Greek enduo: to clothe or be clothed with (in the sense of sinking into a garment) How does one become a “son/daughter/child of God”? “...But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God…” (John 1) “...And thus he was baptized, and the Spirit of God descended upon him, and thus he was born of the Spirit, and became quickened in the inner man…thou art one in me, a son of God; and thus may all become my sons. Amen.” (Moses 6) “(See what sort of love the Father has given to us: that we should be called God’s children…we are God’s children now, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that whenever it is revealed we will be like him, because we will see him just as he is. And everyone who has this hope focused on him purifies himself, just as Jesus is pure).” (1 John 3) “...For the gate by which ye should enter is repentance and baptism by water; and then cometh a remission of your sins by fire and by the Holy Ghost. And then are ye in this strait and narrow path which leads to eternal life; yea, ye have entered in by the gate; ye have done according to the commandments of the Father and the Son; and ye have received the Holy Ghost, which witnesses of the Father and the Son, unto the fulfilling of the promise which he hath made, that if ye entered in by the way ye should receive….” (2 Nephi 31)

[@Hettav_Blackwater]

These are Cliff notes, there is much more to understand here, but I felt this good for now

[@valeriesteele1497]

Who is this Martha lady mentioned by Dave at 53 min approx?

[@ByWayofCommandment]

Martha Himmelfarb-she's a scholar who specializes in second temple period jewish literature.

[@UVJ_Scott]

Robe of righteousness = to cover = atonement

[@popfaves370]

The Bible is very messed up from multiple uninspired translators and compilers that changed and discarded precious things. Thank God for the BOM which had one inspired translation. The BOM reads the way the Bible should read! So we rightly use the BOM to understand the Bible.

[@ObamaOsucksOass]

@popfaves370 Please explain exactly how the BIble is messed up from multiple translations? That is a common Mormon lie. List them, don't be lazy and use Mormon talking points. You can go back to the Dead Sea Scrolls and they are the same as what we have today. If there were changes throughout time, you would see it. Any unbiased document scholar will agree that the Bible has been remarkably well-preserved over the centuries. Copies of the Bible dating to the 14th century AD are nearly identical in content to copies from the 3rd century AD. When the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered, scholars were shocked to see how similar they were to other ancient copies of the Old Testament, even though the Dead Sea Scrolls were hundreds of years older than anything previously discovered. Even many hardened skeptics and critics of the Bible admit that the Bible has been transmitted over the centuries far more accurately than any other ancient document. There is absolutely no evidence that the Bible has been revised, edited, or tampered with in any systematic manner. The sheer volume of biblical manuscripts makes it simple to recognize any attempt to distort God’s Word. There is no major doctrine of the Bible that is put in doubt as a result of the inconsequential differences among the manuscripts. Now compare that to the Book of Mormon. There are over 5000 changes to "the most correct book ever". Joseph Smith stated that the BOM is directly from the mouth of God and there are no errors in it. Since the first publication of the book of Mormon, there have been 5000 changes. Some of those changes are substantial. “I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.” - Joseph Smith Royal Skousen, a BYU linguistics professor and expert of the textual history of the Book of Mormon, identified 5,280 variations in all its editions. Source: The Book of Mormon, The Earliest Text, Royal Skousen Here are some examples of the 5000+ changes. Most of the changes are grammatical - no big deal! I guess God doesn't have access to a Dictionary. Other changes are huge... things that needed to be changed because they were huge anachronisms. Christ named too soon 1 Nephi 12:18 - 1830 Original Edition - Yea, even the word of the justice of the Eternal God, and Jesus Christ, which is the Lamb of God. 1837, forward - Yea, even the word of the justice of the Eternal God, and (Removed - Jesus Christ) (Added - the Messiah) who is the Lamb of God. - why would they have to remove the name Jesus Christ? Becuase it was a huge anachronism! King Benjamin alive after being dead Mosiah 6:5 records King Benjamin’s death. Later in the original, the author forgot that king Benjamin had died, which necessitated replacing him with another King. 1830 Original Edition - Mosiah 21:28 - King Benjamin had a gift from God. 1837, Forward - Mosiah 21:28 - King (Removed - Benjamin) (Added - Mosiah) had a gift from God. 1830 Original Edition - Ether 4:1 - And for this cause did king Benjamin keep them 1837, forward - Ether 4:1 - And for this cause did king (removed - Benjamin) (added - *Mosiah) keep them Changing Nephi's name to Moroni “When I first looked upon him I was afraid, but the fear soon left me. He called me by name and said unto me that he was a messenger sent from the presence of God to me and that his name was Nephi/Moroni.” History, 1838-1856, Volume A-1, Current version - “When I first looked upon him I was afraid, but the fear soon left me. He called me by name and said unto me that he was a messenger sent from the presence of God to me and that his name was Moroni.” I can keep going and going and going if you like. There are over 5000 changes and errors. I'm your Huckleberry! Before you throw mud at the Bible, you should realize that one thing that Mormons did very well is document everything. That means it is super duper easy to identify Mormon Lies!

[@frankcastle5513]

Who was in the Holy of Holies in the Tabernacle? The Jerusalem temple? Who appeared to the brother of Jared? The tree of life represent? Who is the Word that they cling to in order to enter the holy place? Who was on top of Mt. Sinai? Abraham? Isaiah? Paul? Etc. Etc. Etc. Always YHWH, the Messiah Jesus. Jesus is at the veil. Hebrews makes that clear but somehow you misread that??? Just because as of yesterday they wrongly attribute the Most High God being behind the veil is like people lost what they already knew, what is clearly illustrates each and every time in scripture. This is how precepts enter and take hold.

[@phadrus]

Heavenly Mother is the tree (and the throne), the fruit of the tree is the Christ. Otherwise I agree and all good points.

[@CrackedCandy]

Ah-may-zing

[@mark.pinnell]

What is the source of all these ancient ordinances? The Polar Configuration. These are not the droids you are looking for...

[@lostartboy1]

what are you implying by this comment ?.. i’m genuinely interested

[@mark.pinnell]

@@lostartboy1 a lot =) Every thinks they have all the answers but I never find anyone who understand Cosmism. And all these youtubers just ignore it. www.youtube.com/@toeknee1943

[@Hettav_Blackwater]

The Holy One of Israel is YHWH, and YHWH is Jesus Christ

[@avoice423]

He has many names in scripture....what is your point? Is not Yhwh just one in hebrew?

[@Hettav_Blackwater]

@@avoice423 He had many titles yes. The point is He is the one whose face we seek behind the veil. This is clearly taught in dozens of places all over scripture.

[@emh7956]

Brother Butler, please button your shirt up a little higher. Your sacred garments are showing. Nothing against you. We appreciate your knowledge sharing.

[@duncansh81]

You know that the Church has posted videos on KZbin that show and talk about garments, right? He's only showing a collar of his garment and no one who didn't know would think it wasn't a plain white t-shirt. While he does look a little sloppy to some, Dave's never been one that cared much about his appearance which isn't a bad thing. He's not showing anything that is considered sacred.

[@jra9380]

Those who wear the t-shirt style neck always have their religion showing.

[@phadrus]

I didn’t even notice until you mentioned it. Doesn’t offend me one bit though.

[@DogFacedPonySoldier-p9i]

Which Jesus? The Jesus of the Bible or the Jesus of the LDS faith? THey are very different. The LDS faith believes that Jesus and God were both once ordinary men who became exalted. That is NOT the Jesus in the Bible!

[@ByWayofCommandment]

You should probably study LDS theology before you comment a straw man.