David Butler & Mike Day | NEW REVOLUTIONARY Way of Viewing Lehi's Journey In The Book of Mormon

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In this episode with David Butler and Mike Day we discuss his up and coming book, "In The Language of Adam." Dave shares his thoughts on the Lehi's journey in The Book of Mormon and how it correlates with the tabernacle of Moses described in Exodus 20.
D. John Butler (Dave) is a lifelong member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. His training is in law, and he also writes fiction. He has written three books on his finds in the scriptures entitled “Plain and Precious Things,” “The Goodness and The Mysteries,” and "In The Language of Adam."
The description of "In The Language of Adam" is as follows: Nephi puts us on notice in his very first sentence that The Book of Mormon was written by temple worshippers and for temple worshippers. He and the other prophets of The Book of Mormon, who called themselves the visionary men and the peaceable followers of Christ, knew and practiced a mystery, an ordinance by which they ascended through the temple and entered into the presence of God. This ordinance was embodied in a dramatic representation of the expulsion of Adam and Eve from Eden and their return to it, in which initiates played the roles of Adam and Eve or their descendants.
The drama expressed the great doctrines of the visionary men about the purpose of life, the fall and redemption, Adam and Eve’s choice, and Christ’s triumph. It contained the moral commitments of the visionary men, and it taught them spiritual disciplines such as prayer, fasting, washing, and anointing. It brought them to share a feast with the Lord and then to petition at the veil of the holy of holies to be admitted as one of the children of God.
The Nephite prophets used the sights, experiences, furniture, architecture, sounds, and even tastes of their temple experience to inform their writing. In the Language of Adam explores that complex constellation of information as a language--as a symbolic vocabulary for communicating and perceiving important truths. The more we understand about the temple practices of the visionary men, the better we can read The Book of Mormon, as well as the writings of visionary men in the Bible and elsewhere. Knowing the mystery-language of Adam will allow us to see more clearly the precious spiritual gems that Lehi and his party fled Jerusalem to preserve, and that they recorded on the plates to be restored in our day.
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[@serenacarter1621]

I'm coming back into the fold. Working so hard in getting to the temple so I can make covenants. Jesus christ is my savior. I experienced him!!! He is real. And I love him. Every thing you speak of is truth.

[@elizabethbaker2426]

This is incredible! Your testimony is real, beautiful, and helps strengthen mine own. God bless you!❤❤❤

[@csluau5913]

Right there with your sister. I’ve been gone a long time, and I never really got on the covenant path for real but now I am actually trying very hard and marvelous things are being revealed to me one precept at a time.

[@hopkinsonebm3692]

How fantastic a story, thank you for sharing

[@beauty4ashes-33]

You got this my friend! Keep pushing through! Miracles will happen! 😁

[@sherielink601]

I came back in 2020 and received my endowments July 6th 2023! I'm so excited for you!

[@cadenallred967]

I think it’s fascinating to look at the parallels between Moses inviting the children of Israel up to the mountain to know the Lord and President Nelson inviting us to the temple. Caught my attention in my studies this week!

[@Blacktorch27]

After recently discovering this channel and directing my studies toward the depth of temple symbolism, My wife and I decided to increase our temple attendance from a couple times per year to a couple times per month. Then general conference came along and dropped absolute nukes of wisdom and confirmation regarding the temple with its symbolism and blessings. Thank you guys for being a crucial piece in my personal process of recent spiritual development. ❤

[@thestickofjoseph]

My man!

[@Upliftyourbrothers]

Same. It’s happening a lot more. It’s exciting.

[@janfelshaw8217]

Debar(Deborah) orderly. God says,”My house is a house of order. “ Just a thought I had.

That is awesome. I sorry of stubbled into the temple a few weeks before conference in my reading and that is when I also came on this material on KZbin. That got me really energized again for the temple and thinking on how important it is and then conference hit and man that was powerful.

[@dallinmontgomery7326]

My favorite podcast hosts and guests of all time. LETS GO 💪🏻

[@MsLT62]

The "So What?" section at the end was right on. Dave and Jackson nailed it! So many people think Joseph got the temple stuff from the Masons. I too was confused and a bit turned off when hearing that. I'm so so grateful for the teachings of this channel. You four have increased my understanding and my love for the Temple so much. I feel so blessed to have found y'all. Thank you so so much!!!❤

[@MsLT62]

Oh, and I pre-ordered the book! Can't wait for it to arrive!

[@rconger24]

1829 Ether Chapter 3. Many temple parallels!

[@angelalewis3645]

It sounds like the masons got it from The Real Source, as did all of those who have passed on all kinds of rituals and ordinances of all types and in all religions throughout time.

[@silverrose7554]

Oh my heck . I was trying to explain this to my husband. And in less the 5 sec I lost him . You said it at the end of how to say this is sooooooo important! I loved the puzzle 🧩 and everyone saying things . Your next book call it The Broken Bow ! I am an artist and painting the 10virgins the painting is called Beyond the door 🚪. I feel everyone get to the door and it’s closed , we all asume we don’t have enough oil in our lamps . I say we do . And we should imagine ourselves what it would be like beyond the door 🚪! Think Celestial Love this keep it up 👍

[@chinchillafuzz]

I would love to see your painting of the 10 virgins! I feel like there is not enough artwork depicting this parable!

[@mikepeterson7092]

I don’t try to explain these things to my wife, friends, or anyone 😊. It’s way over their heads. People like us eat it up though.

[@silverrose7554]

@@mikepeterson7092 Yes we doo . I grew up with a mike Peterson .

[@silverrose7554]

Thank you . Even if I am an Amateur , when I was studied Jewish weddings and Wowsers . One thing I found was as they are getting married their hands are bound together with a cloth called binding swaddle cloth . Its purpose is after the binding at the wedding its used to swaddle their children in it. 🤯 chist was wrapped in swaddling cloths . It was this binding swaddle cloth, he was warped in . It was embroidered with signs of the linage of David. Like lambs , lions, ect . Hopefully I can submit it to an church art event . But its fun . Its a box canvas so I painted the back ,like a wood door , so it can close around the fount. Then when you open it , it becomes a night Seen of a court yard of people in the background , in the front you have 4 people with next to them a table with 4 🪔 and a 5 th coming threw the door this represent Us . . .. you can Guess who the 4 people are . They are all looking at each other. Except Christ he’s looking at you with a slight smile 😊.

[@julieelliott9797]

Your artwork sounds amazing!!!!!​@@silverrose7554

[@flickerina7]

It’s possible to become a complacent with the truths we’ve been given in this church. I believe the Savior is going to do some of His greatest work as stated by the Prophet. And I believe this is some of that fruit. Your channel has awakened in me an excitement regarding these plain and precious truths, that have always been there. Please keep it up, I’m totally recharged and strengthened.

[@brendamartin3444]

“And my father dwelt in a tent” has always had a double meaning to me… Moses had two tents, it just made sense to me that Lehi (and even Noah) did too *when the OT talks about Noah, a tent and wine, my impression from the Spirit has been, that he was in a Tabernacle performing a wine libation ordinance… my impression has been that this is one of the plain and precious truths that has been obscured and changed in scripture I cannot wait for Christ to come and give us back all the truth lost, obscured and changed, and if Moroni’s library opens up during the Millennium, that is going to be a place I spend a lot of time in… right after the Temple 🙂

[@rconger24]

So looking forward to when Jesus comes back. Makes me weep!

[@MrsTips]

20 years ago I was a missionary serving in Illinois Chicago. The temple was in the north mission, so we could only go once every 6 months IF a member drove us. I read through the entire standard works with the specific purpose of looking for evidences or hints of the temple ordinances and I marked them with a specific colored pen. I *thought* back then that I had found all there was, but I am blown away at the idea that the story of Lehi's exodus IS the temple ceremony. Thank you so much for adding more depth to what I originally started to study. Between starting my family and raising young children, I didn't have the time to go into depth like I wanted to. Then I felt called to return to school to prepare to apply for medical school and here I am starting my 2nd year of medical school on Monday with 5 kids ages 5-16, so it will be many more years until I have the bandwidth to do back into an in-depth study of the scriptures like I was blessed to be able to do in my teenage & young adult years and on my mission.

[@joaquin5140]

I served my church mission in Provo, where I had the blessing of meeting LeGrand Baker. We would have lunch with him every week, and we had Gospel discussions, two of which changed my perspective forever despite my young and limited spiritual understanding of the scriptures. Every human interaction is sacred and has a purpose.

[@debbiemelander289]

Thank you for the beautiful insights on my name. I have loved bees most of my life. They’re my totem and now thanks to you, I understand so much more. Moved to tears.

[@angelalewis3645]

That’s so wonderful! ❤ 🐝

[@hungryjoebbq]

Ngl, these are some insane videos! I didn’t even want to 1.5x speed them just so I wouldn’t miss anything. I’ve already started pulling completely new insights from the scriptures I never considered before. I wish I could explain to you guys my experience, and how these videos were almost very literally answers to some prayers I started having earlier this year! I appreciate all the knowledge I’ve gained. It’s made my temple experience enriching, my scripture studying even more delightsome, and I can’t stop thinking about what I’m going to learn next. Thank you again! Love the “so what” at the end. You guys echoed so many of my own thoughts on the topic!

[@wonko6x9]

He wasn’t just using the Tabernacle because it was going back to basics, it is also because they are on their own journey in the wilderness. They absolutely would need their own tabernacle if temple worship were the whole reason for leaving Jerusalem. I like this thought process.

[@MichaelGMoney]

Yooo! You guys talk about the marriages! After Nephi explains the temple visions to laman and lemuel, he then exhorts them to repentance and righteousness, and then Nephi says everyone get married, and then Lehi says hes accomplished all that the Lords asked of him. You guys are so cool 😎 lol appreciate all of you fellas!

[@knelson3326]

I used to sit in LeGrand Baker’s office at BYU while he would show me how to apply the scriptures to myself. My mind was blown every time I met with him. I can’t wait to see him on the other side. Thanks guys for keeping up his legacy.

[@talkingscripture]

Legend Baker is one of my (Mike Day) heroes. I’ve never met him, but I’ve read all his publications and these are treasures to me. Thanks for mentioning his name. He is an amazing man.

[@PeggyWest1127]

🤯🤯🤯 Can’t love this enough! Praise to the man! Love the geek out moments, love the insight into the temple, love all the connections. Love the gospel of Jesus Christ! Thank you all for your time and talents.

[@truefoodbeauty9767]

Just LOVE your discussion with Dave and Mike! More please!!!!! 10 hours is not enough!!!!!

[@talkingscripture]

Me and Dave will be back. I promise.

[@sandyrydalch5251]

Oh my goodness!!! It took me forever to completely get through this podcast. I backed this video up probably at least 50 times. I was so caught up in each new concept, I found my mind constantly wondering and making connections with what I feel I understand to be truth. I find it interesting Lehi and his family spent 8 years in Bountiful. 7 means "complete" and 8 means "a new beginning" therefore, when Lehi and his family entered the arc, they started a new beginning. "Sea" means chaos. The arc protected them from chaos (the sea).This is where my thoughts kept going. I wish so badly you would get someone on this channel who has studys how the spirit and body work together. Remember, we call our bodies our "temples". I seen many connections throughout the text that scream "temple text" when the scriptures talk about the heart and mind. I've done my best to do my own personal study. I know there is a lot in the scriptures trying to teach us about our personal temples, our bodies. As of right now, I feel I know enough to frustrate me. This frustration is also wonderful curiosity that keeps my adding to this wonderful huge jigsaw puzzle. Keep going with these podcasts. I love listening and learning.

[@julieelliott9797]

I only know how the body and spirit work together experientially. To me the healing of the body is connected to spiritual healing through the Savior. It's about Gethsemane and the cross for me. I would love exploring a doctrinal explanation of how the two work together. We know they do!

[@j.d.westphal6949]

Bro Day! FTW! Best seminary teacher I ever had.

[@dianalupton5543]

Finding this channel has sparked that need for deeper understanding. You and your guests ignite that passion thats been saddly ignored through many things. I never need convincing. Learning more is just so awesome.

[@amandaspencer4686]

I have learned such precious things from these discussions that have been so tender and personal to me. You guys, I check everyday to see if Dave & Mike have joined you for a video. Thank you SO much! Can't wait for The Language of Adam!

[@MsLT62]

Same!

[@ashleysawin4618]

Ditto!! Power Team right here!

[@jonahsimmons4288]

CANNOT wait for my copy of David’s book to get here. You guys are amazing. I love the unashamedly simple presentation of such significant perspectives and information. It’s refreshing. It feels genuine. My heart wants more! Keep up the good work!

[@sarahbean6170]

I learn so much from Mike Day and David Butler! Lets gooooo!

[@lanab1666]

I’ve believed that Bountiful is in Eden, because it just makes sense when we think of the sacredness of both sites and Christ visiting, and the temple to be built there again, Promised Land, and all of that. I feel validated! Thanks for adding even more to my thoughts. I love this channel!

[@csluau5913]

You know, when you put together all of the things that Mike Day and David Butler have said with things that have been said by other people, such as Wayne May, and all of your other guests you start to get a much bigger, multi level more complex image of the book of Mormon, and the civilizations and societies and individual people that were detailed in the different stories. This is what lens absolute 100% credibility to the existence of a civilization in the Americas. That was godly and tech logically advanced because of their divine knowledge and wisdom given to them by God and the Holy Spirit. The most recent video about the connection between Mulk and Ireland is fascinating because I have used all the videos to make some connections with that and I think he’s right. I think there are things that have been left behind in North America by the Mulekites for those who understand what they are. Cultural continuity is a very important consult in Native American life and there are things that still exist that are still done today that would indeed blow your mind.

[@primafacie5029]

I love Brother Butler

[@talkingscripture]

Me too!

[@angelinavickers8584]

Wow! Amazing we want more because when I think of the meaning of life and our purpose for this journey, it culminates in the temple and Christ with His gift of the Atonement! May we as a covenant people make the temple a priority, and may we lift the curse by immersing ourselves in the Book of Mormon! Thank you, thank you, we want more!

[@martinisaksen1]

I've been thinking about how the menorah is mentioned as being outside the holy of holies in Exodus, but the menorah/tree/grove is inside the holy of holies when Josiah takes it out. Obviously, you could say that is just how it was. But take some time to imagine these two scenarios in your mind. 1. You are inside the tabernacle. It is dark since there are no windows. The priests light the menorah and the alter of incense. Now the room is light and you can see another room blocked from your view by a pair of curtains. You know the ark is inside but you can't see anything because it is dark in there. It seems like no one is home. God does not dwell there, only His name. 2. You are inside the tabernacle. It is slightly dark since the only light in the room is from the alter of incense. You can make out the other furniture in the room, but the room is not super bright. As you look towards the holy of holies, you see a bright glow coming from behind the curtains. Someone is home. God's abode is back there. Putting the menorah back into the holy of holies makes way more sense from a spiritual and dramatic point of view.

[@MrsTips]

Also interesting thing the Deuteronomists did... they removed Heavenly Mother from temple worship. The menorah was in the shape of an olive tree - and the olive tree represented the Divine Feminine. A friend who has since left the Church pointed out that because they were willing to remove the Mother from the temple, it wasn't that much bigger of a step to remove the Son from the temple... which set them up to reject Christ when He actually did come to the people.

[@julieelliott9797]

WOW!

[@songsoflight]

3:30 - Garden of Eden may have been called "Bountiful" 6:13 - Lehi's journey in the Book of Mormon mirrors the ancient Israelite tabernacle 13:04 - Importance of understanding Book of Mormon through a "temple lens" 14:37 - Layout and furnishings of the tabernacle compared to Lehi's journey 21:28 - The place Shazer corresponds to the "fine twined linen" veil in the tabernacle 26:31 - Bountiful represents the Holy of Holies, the innermost room of the temple 32:27 - Incidents in the Book of Mormon mirror the ritual death and resurrection of the temple 37:26 - Repeated visions of Christ in Alma connected to the second room of the temple 44:20 - Recap: Lehi's journey maps onto the three-part layout of the tabernacle 49:03 - Honey, bees and the Holy of Holies 53:35 - Deborah the prophetess and the "land of the bee" 56:18 - Jaredites taking honeybees with them and the empty quarter "Rub' al Khali" 58:34 - Items found in Bountiful correspond to the furnishings of the Holy of Holies 1:07:02 - Why these temple connections in the Book of Mormon matter 1:09:25 - The Book of Mormon as evidence of Joseph Smith's prophetic calling 1:10:35 - Importance of the Book of Mormon and temple for the Restoration 1:14:26 - The enduring power of religious rites of passage 1:16:33 - The decline of spirituality in modern society 1:18:34 - The need for dedicated scripture study and temple attendance

[@mikebell9166]

I've been a member since '71, and endowed since '75, and I've been impressed every time I read the Book of Mormon; there are so many layers of understanding to be had. It seems like I learn something new every time I open the pages. I'm old; I still use the paper version when I want to experience it. Thanks for this opportunity to learn!

[@michaelwhipple347]

Number 8 means NEW BEGINNING. Makes all the sense that they traveled 8 years in the wilderness...

[@rconger24]

New beginning? There were also Noah and those with him.

[@angelalewis3645]

🙌🏻

[@angelalewis3645]

I’ve been thinking about how they had a *not small* number of years of “wandering in the wilderness” before they got to Bountiful, just like how they Israelites had a not small number of years in the wilderness.

[@asarg1776]

Just amazing. Thank you for sharing treasures from the scriptures that have no doubt taken WORK to uncover. Love these episodes. Book ordered ✅

[@sandrahurst4123]

I pre-ordered today! What a great Father’s Day gift…assuming we receive it by then. Regardless of when it arrives, it will be another book to treasure! My husband and I have learned so much in listening to your videos..thank you!

[@Thehaystack7999]

51:53 great point on Aseneth. As the daughter of the priest of Amun this is significant with “honey” because Joseph collected from all of Egypt except the Temples, and the Temples and priests were provided for by Joseph’s budget plan. The idea of “honey” refers to wild honey and goats milk, which act as manna in the wilderness. So in a time of economic hardship, all was provided for like the Israelites later experienced in the wilderness. There are insects in that region that suck the sap of trees and excrete a sweet wax/bread like substance which resembles honey. During that time in the wild there was more savanna’s and grass lands than today. Just really cool about the covenant living, literally becomes preservation in the midst of the hardships. That preservation changed with the 18th Dynasty with the The an kings who did not know Joseph and reformed all writing by implication of more pagan gods, the facsimiles we have from the text of Abraham did not exist as drawings until the 18th dynasty. So the book of the dead texts then were likely given pagan attributes but around 700BC and on, Jews returned to Egypt and built temples, and substituted Egyptian funerary practices and icons like Osiris for Abraham. Egyptologists will admit this but still claim Joseph made it all up. There is just too much cool stuff!

[@rconger24]

Facsimiles and Iconography? Iconography is very inexpensive today but took far more effort to have anciently. Makes sense they would've borrowed Iconography or facsimiles alot.

[@susantaylor7677]

Thank you so much for bringing the light of Christ clearer & closer. The words of truth bring joy & cleansing. I love the deeper layers.. How can anyone be truly happy without the Light & Truth of Jesus Christ? God bless you all as you hunger.

[@williambrewster8112]

This is great some of the greatest things I’ve learned has been in a group with my brethren and how we just listen to the spirit and learn and it’s so exciting

[@silverrose7554]

WE WANT MORE. You gave us more . Thank youuuuuu❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@kentwentzell6020]

You become the temple of the Holy Spirit. This is the process of coming unto Christ. The Book of Mormon teaches the way to redemption and salvation.

[@safrew1]

Love this comment.

[@julieelliott9797]

Yes!!!!

[@justinhathcock5490]

What if in Shazer one of the purposes of hunting was to collect skins to make a covering to enter into the next part of the space?

[@safrew1]

Interesting thought.

[@scottishwarrior3547]

Reminds me of when I fell asleep in distress and strot and dream myself in pool of darkness, or darkness like ah pool, and I saw a hand coming from above envelope, in the darkness but warmth and light was admitted by feeling of it, I begged Lord God Jesus save me from my despair, and I reached and awoke in the cestial room

[@julieelliott9797]

Amazing!

[@Canut0]

The Book of Mormon is so awesome, great video ♥️🙏👏

[@KelseasComments]

YESSSSS MORE DAVE AND MIKE!!

[@DeannSimpson]

This is a very fascinating take on the Book of Mormon. I watched the video before of you guys talking about Zedekiah’s time where they smash the stuff in the temple to stop them from doing their religion and I had a thought come to my mind. That the Lord allowed this to happen, because…. Of the divine feminine(heavenly mother). Isaiah wrote about the violent removal of the menorah from the holy of holies, to remind us. The lord took her away from them whom did this act. So they may never drag her through the mud again. So when Nephi came along, the Lord decided that it was time to bring her back to us, but did it in code. So only those with eyes to see could see her. Could this be right it’s just a thought!

[@brettnoel7479]

Could your idea of the Divine Feminine also have a connection with Enos and his wrestle with God, Jacob's wrestle with the angel(Genesis 32), and receiving a new name? Consider the possibility of Enos saying 'blessed be the name of God' in verse 1 as meaning one of the names of God is Blessed(think of Mark 14:61, and also Dave Butler's idea of Blessed = Asherah). Now go back and read Enos verses 1-2, 5, and 27 with these ideas in mind. Just a thought

[@tuvoca825]

When he said, "Bountiful" I did a face-palm! Right in the middle of Panera! 😱🤔😇😂

[@thestickofjoseph]

Hahahah crazy!

[@virginiasomerville5113]

I am deep into reading Dave's books. So much info to cram into my 75 years of not being aware!❤

[@matthewglosenger3180]

I am watching Dave Butler talking about the temple narrative outlined in Matthew 5-7 and it confirms the following idea that I have had for quite some time about the temple. That is, that the name you take to the temple is your TICKET into the school. It does not, in any way represent any responsibility on us to be righteous FOR the people we present to the temple. After we enter the temple, their learning begins AND so does ours but they are, in no way connected. we are not responsible for them by "Proxy" but they cannot enter the temple space without us presenting those names. And the connection in both the Bible and the Book of Mormon to the Lord feeding us once we are there is quite amazing.

[@scalarwave8104]

This was absolutely amazing!!! I will be listening to this again and just ordered the book. Can’t wait!!!

[@kylehargrave8613]

Speaking of the sojourn in the wilderness, it was 8 years. 8 represents new life and baptism, which also represents death and resurrection. 8 also is the number of corners on the seal of Melchizedek. It sounds like what you were saying about being comforted by the rod and staff before entering the Holy of Holies.

[@christireay2605]

I’m coming on to comment because I got my book. I am having a hard time sleeping because I just want to keep reading. Thanks, gentlemen! Between your book and the Ancient Traditions podcast by Jack Logan……man my world is spinning….with amazement and joy. You can’t make this stuff up people!!!! The Book of Mormon is one of the coolest books ever. I wonder if we truly understand the honor we have to participate in the Temple!

[@kennethmadsen]

Have I missed you mention the connection of fishes and honey with the temple like experience in the upper room when Christ eats broiled fish and honeycomb when he appears to Thomas and the disciples?

[@kimberlyolsen9416]

This is awesome guys! Love the Book of Mormon And the Temple!

[@Brettley5353]

I just finished this video and something Jackson said about Enos at the very end reminded me of something I shared with some friends on Facebook. It might be a little long, but I hope you consider it: Just some rambling thoughts that come from my latest studies in The Book of Mormon. I was reading from the book of Enos about his wrestle with God before he received a remission of sins. Often, when people talk about Enos and his wrestle with God, they often compare it with Genesis 32 where Jacob wrestles with the angel and receives the new name of Israel. Most often when this comparison is made the whole focus is upon prayer. I’m not discounting the importance of prayer, but I believe that is only part of the symbolism that this episode is trying to teach us. What about the idea of receiving a new name? In my personal studies I like to read a lot of Jewish teachings from rabbis that you won’t find in the Bible. In many of these things I’ve read the rabbi will often repeat a phrase like “…blessed be the name of God” when mentioning God or His name. You can see that same phrase two or more times in a single sentence depending on how they word their statements. It becomes a little monotonous when every sentence mentions God multiple times in a paragraph, and so I find my self skimming over those phrases quickly. This can be a big mistake when it comes to reading The Book of Mormon. Let me illustrate with the first verse of Enos: “Behold, it came to pass that I, Enos, knowing my father that he was a just man-for he taught me in his language, and also in the nurture and admonition of the Lord-and blessed be the name of my God for it-” What if Enos makes use of this phrase in a way that is not expected? In the generic sense of “…blessed be God, and His name.” What if Enos is saying “…one of the NAMES of God is Blessed?” We find this way of thinking during the trial of the Savior when he is questioned by the high priest in Mark 14: 61-“But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?” That’s Blessed with a capital “B” like it’s a name. With all this in mind, ponder verses 1-2, 5, and 27. 1&2. Behold, it came to pass that I, Enos, knowing my father that he was a just man-for he taught me in his language, and also in the nurture and admonition of the Lord-and blessed be the name of my God for it-And I will tell you of the wrestle which I had before God, before I received a remission of my sins. 5. And there came a voice unto me, saying: Enos, thy sins are forgiven thee, and thou shalt be blessed(or in other words, some day you shall be named Blessed). 27. And I soon go to the place of my rest, which is with my Redeemer; for I know that in him I shall rest. And I rejoice in the day when my mortal shall put on immortality, and shall stand before him; then shall I see his face with pleasure, and he will say unto me: Come unto me, ye blessed(could it be that he is given that name?), there is a place prepared for you in the mansions of my Father. Amen. Is Enos using the symbolism of his wrestle with God in prayer, and the possible name of “Blessed” to mirror the experience of his ancestor Jacob in Genesis 32? I didn't mention some things I believe I have read about the wrestle of Jacob being related to a sacred embrace in connection with him receiving the name of Israel, but I hope this all made sense. After pondering all of David Butler's videos that you shared over the past 3 months, a crazy thought crossed my mind. Maybe Dave addresses something like this thought in his book, but what if this possible name of Blessed is related to Asherah/Tree of Life? Wouldn't that be a "HAPPY" coincidence(pun intended)?! If not, then the day may come that Enos tells me that I'm off my rocker!

[@danmeehan7220]

I had a thought when studying the Book of Mormon this year than 1 Nephi was intended to be a text used in the temple and that initiates would re-create the scenes of Nephi's departure, wanderings, trials, and arrival in the Promised Land. Glad to know I was onto something.

[@flavaflave15]

Can not wait for my copy to get here. I have loved listening to this episode. There are so many easter eggs! I love how the Utah state flag has a beehive. All of this is so cool! Thank you for your hard work and time collecting this data. You guys Rock!

[@ItsSnagret]

LETS FREAKING GO. Pumped for this and you guys.

[@UVJ_Scott]

Listening, rewind, listen, rewind, listening rewind, listening…

[@Freedom0rBust]

Dave seems like a really cool dude. Got that beer with a buddy vibe.

[@rconger24]

I'm not a drinker either, but in terms of saturation of The Holy Spirit, The Book of Mormon is _like fine irish whiskey._ "Triple Distilled!"

[@lindenwinn5363]

I'm really loving this discussion. A couple of things I thought of as you were talking of deseret and the people of Jared (and I hope you have a similar discussion about their journey). When they left to come to the promised land, they left from Babel( Babylon) rather than Israel. And they went North. We are not sure which direction they went from there when they went into the quarter where there never had man been, but we know there was a lot of water. They built barges more than once. So I don't think they took a similar route to the people of Nephi. And I'm sure the land was different then, than now. It wasn't too many years after the flood. Anyhow, I love all your points of direction towards the temple and all the symbolism you've been sharing. Keep up the marvelous connections and thoughts!!!

[@SethStories]

I think Lehi also had a death and spiritual rebirth at the beginning when he says he cast himself upon his bed and was carried away in a vision. It's my guess that it was similar as Ammon and the others.

[@justinandrewmccoy]

At 1:00:00 is Mike talking about the second anointing? Also, 1:10:30 Jackson’s experience has been my experience as well. Since diving into some of this stuff my temple experience has been so much more enlightening and enjoyable and I’m so grateful for people who know more than I do who can explain this stuff and teach me how to look for symbolism in scripture and in the temple.

[@MichaelGMoney]

You should look into Margaret Barkers books. That's how I started my journey into this knowledge. Her Temple Theology is a quick, easily digestible book that condenses all of her previous books, followed by the Hidden knowledge of the Kingdom of God (or something like that)

[@PatSmart-uk4vz]

Just watched the part about the BoM persons that had Mercy/Death/Clothed/See-God moments. Nobody mentioned it but Joseph Smith's First Vision also fits this pattern.

[@Chris27883]

I'm sure it's not lost on others that understands symbolism that it was 8 years before they entered Bountiful after they left. This is so interesting and fascinating!

[@brittanyherrera6231]

Thanks for sharing. The temple experience is great but I will say that nothing prepares us today for understanding the temple with out many many hours of searching and praying. The temple is a wonderful and different experience and because of many factors we can not understand everything about the temple and we all will experience different things . The temple will feel weird because nothing else on earth makes a replica to experience it. No matter how many times we go to the temple we will learn something new when we make efforts to learn and pray .

[@davegrathwohl9]

Okay...second time commenting. WOW! my brains is melting, but I feel so spiritually fed. This material should be a Temple Prep Class...along with the other 5 hours of content I've watched and feasted on.

[@strplngwarriormom]

So what? What's more important than seeking greater understanding of the covenants man makes with God? The Prophet is emphasizing Covenants & restoring principles (like hesed). Thank you so much for the podcasts (& the books - I have DJohn's 2 older books & this new one is scheduled to arrive next week!) I'm not yet able to pick a lot of stuff out while reading scripture on my own so I hope you find ways to continue sharing insights

[@renickgreen]

Wow. Eyes to see and ears to hear.

[@dianadoane4758]

What a wonderful discussion! I felt The Holy Ghost through out! 🙏💝

[@suzannaylor653]

Without knowing anymore than what this episode talks about, did anyone consider the parallelism found in Nephi's confounding of his brothers? Also, David, I don't know the feasibility of this, but if you connect your footnotes to a Google doc, you could update it whenever you want. A living document 😉

[@donaldlatham7040]

fantastic ! this was great fun.

[@mamablux21family30]

Just pre-ordered this book! Can’t wait

[@ChasteintheLatter-Days]

The New York Temple has a decor theme of beehives. I thought this was interesting because i always associate beehives with Brigham Young and industry. It also holds special interest for me because my name is the Greek version of honeybee. This gives me some more food for thought .

[@justinhathcock5490]

In connection with the tree and bees, thinking about the relationship with the tree and her fruit. A tree doesn’t get together with another tree to procreate, it is done through pollination from bees. So is it really that much of a stretch to compare trees and bees to the mother of the Son of God, her fruit and the “immaculate conception”

[@davidmickelle7326]

Just saw the Zenif intro as an Eden or creation story...he looked and saw that it was good. There was a rebellion where a good portion of the crew rebelled and sought to overthrow the good. For a time they labored without opposition. Then the adversarial king decided to play a power check over his dominion....the parallels continue

[@davidmickelle7326]

Alma is almost akin to a city of Enoch where they achieve righteousness and depart and then go through a purification and sanctification process and then return where Alma is the high priest

[@pingebri]

1:08:00 Dave mentions it’s not about the physical temple, that you can take it anywhere. As I heard that, I was reminded that Laman and Lemuel did not believe “that great city” Jerusalem could fall. And, from what I understand, this belief comes from the miraculous salvation of the temple (and the people of Jerusalem) during the Assyrian invasion and the subsequent erroneous belief that it was the physical temple that protected the Jews NOT their God. So what do Nephi and Lehi do? They immediate illustrate that the “temple” can be anywhere. Lehi turns his journey in the wilderness into a temple journey. Trying to illustrate to his two oldest they don’t need the temple at Jerusalem, God is with them.

[@TheHappyNarwhals]

Love this. Need to watch it 7 more times to be rebirthed lol… the laver represents that death of the old man like baptism are you saying it’s in the second room? Also can Eden be the second room as well as the holy of holies? When the earth is terrestrialized, it will be renewed and receive its oaradasical glory (paradise like Eden) … so in my mind it’s the second room. Do much to ponder…I know our temples aren’t exact one for one exchange as the tabernacle I guess. Love the Deborah/bee connection. So many things are going through my mind about bees now- they are calmed by smoke. They have a queen who they nourish, she just produces eggs/seed/fruit? The queen has a smooth stinger which means she can sting over and over again and won’t die whereas the other bees die once they sting. Kinda like eternal lives…where is thy sting I death… y’all are my people!!!

[@TheHappyNarwhals]

O death…just pondering about queen bee as HM now. Worker bees are all female/drones are male. If I remember right from a field trip to the bee center. Also without our pollinators we wouldn’t have fruits and veggies- all things do point to Christ

[@safrew1]

I appreciate you thoughts. Thanks for sharing.

[@Silvananthus]

Don Bradley also makes the connection that the sword of Goliath was in the kept in the tabernacle and probably the 1st temple as well (1 Sam. 21:8-10). Lehi and his group bring the sword of Laban with them, and it acts in place of the sword of Goliath as a temple/tabernacle furnishing. To what end I don't know, but that feels like it is connected as well. We know that it was taken with them into the new world.

[@rconger24]

I love what Don B said about Ether 3. Endowment all over in it and that was 1829 !

[@mroberts7117]

I presume both here are talking about Don Bradley's book "Lost 116 Pages". IIRC he posits that the first section of the book of Lehi is about reestablishing a covenant nation of Israel, under Lehi's leadership. In light of that, it is more fitting to revisit the archetypes of the exodus and tabernacle, rather than of the kingdom and temple. Nephi in 2 Nephi does mention the establishment of the kingdom and temple, but I have not yet tried to identify the archetypes there.

[@Silvananthus]

@@mroberts7117 I would think that the sword of Laban or the sword of Goliath might have some connotation of kingship or the defeat of the nation's foes. We do know that the King had responsibilities in the temple and so symbols of kingship could be appropriate for the setting. Don Bradley posits that Laban's sword may have in fact belonged to Joseph of Egypt and was passed down to Laban. There are many types and symbols to unpack in that.

[@JenniferStott]

You should talk to Greg Matsen about the bees. He has some interesting thoughts about its connection to the priesthood.

[@annetteloveless4212]

I'm learning so much and seeing things in a new way. I loved the explanation of Debra and the honey bees. Keep up the good work 😊

[@ashleydymockdetello9596]

I love all these videos! One thing that stuck out to me as I was listening to this episode is that 1 Nephi is actually the second telling of this storyline. Nephi knew his father's record covered all the same events, so he chose to use his retelling of it to reveal to us deeper meanings than just the story itself. He selected what parts to tell and in what ways so that we could see this deeper narrative if we choose to dig that deep.

[@MichaelGMoney]

BOYS! I'm reading the great High priest by Margaret Barker, and in her chapter called "Wisdom, the queen of heaven" she describes the mother God in Ugarit having a son who goes by Shahar or Shalem. Like Dave says Shalem means peaceful ones. Thought that was interesting, that the mother God, the consort of El, has a son whose name is Peace ✌️ pretty sick!

[@KassieVance]

LeGrand Baker is my mom’s cousin. They had a long-standing lunch date every month, and she is nearly as brilliant as he was. She would pick his brains, and now I pick her brains. She has just given me the papers he gave her. They fill a box and will take a month of Sundays to read through! 🤣

[@derrikconrad4235]

I think that the difference in the stories in the 2nd room is that while they all have the same component piece (death/mourn, complain, comfort), each story is focused on a different aspect. Ismael: focused on death and mourning Broken bow: focused on murmuring. So it’s like a stair step in focus until Bountiful, which is likely the fulfillment of comfort.

[@shayontheedge7060]

Thank you for this video! I have been struggling with my temple experience recently, but seeing the deeper themes and symbolism connecting scripture with temple worship has really enhanced my own journey. ❤

[@ashleysb3]

Love it! So excited for my book to arrive tomorrow. 🤩 FYI - one typo on the Tabernacle slide - Ishmael is missing the H 😉

[@denverhouston]

The sealed portion is the "vision of all" as shown to Isaiah. Happy to walk you through it.

[@matthewglosenger3180]

I am curious though about a topic no one talks about regarding the Liahona... If it only did its thing inside the temple, then isn't it worth noting that Laman and Lemuel had 0 complaints about where it came from? My guess is, they were present IN the temple and witnessed the writing with their own eyes. Laman and Lemuel IN the temple. It makes on ponder on interesting questions.

[@RilesWoolner]

You four are the Ninja Turtles of gospel learning. You need to get a hold of some red, blue, orange and purple bandanas.

[@stunnr8406]

Not even through this video yet but thank you guys love your work.

[@the5throse]

I absolutely love your videos! Thank you!!!

[@evanwaldroup4531]

I wasn’t expecting this Stick of Joseph, Weekend At Bernies crossover.

[@harrykahuhu183]

Preordered when the last video dropped! I can barely wait!

[@terrywolsey8741]

Revelation comes all the time w When someone is talking to you you have thoughts at the same time. It’s revelation coming in Two types of revelation good of God and bad of Satan

[@terrywolsey8741]

Hear him

[@tonyrice9665]

Awesome material.

[@Helena-nw1ll]

Appreciated hearing this!☀️

[@angelalewis3645]

I just love this video so much.

[@Jamo12]

Faith, hope and charity seem to be themes as well respectively with 1st, 2nd and 3rd rooms. Charity being the most important. Interesting stuff

[@safrew1]

I like this thought.

[@cindlou7335]

I loved Jackson's so what. I recently went through with someone who sat with his son, going for the first time, and told him how weird it was. Constantly. It made me angry actually.

[@csluau5913]

Done! I have pre-ordered the book. I’ve been waiting for this. I’m interested to see how it plugs into my prehistory research.

[@kylelieb2977]

How about the entire wilderness as the first room, bountiful as the 2nd room and the promised land as the Holy of Holys. The reason why that makes sense to me is that when I think of a paradisiacal state like Eden, I think terrestrial. But that isn't their ultimate destination. Their ultimate destination that they are striving for is the promised land. The many waters could represent the veil. Where they couldnt see beyond. Also in Egyptian mythology a boat is used to travel to the after life.

[@KentAtwood]

I haven't read any other comments, but had a thought that might not be original. In comparing the temple and the tabernacle, I'm reminded of the scripture that only states that My father dwelt in a tent.

[@nickallen2288]

Awwwhhhh shiz! Here we go again! Lol love this!