Ep 73 | The Sermon on the Mount as a Temple Ordinance - Plain & Precious Things, Mike w/Dave Butler

[@ChristenCooper-y5r]

Thank you for doing this podcast, for sharing your incredible insights and connecting so many scriptures, thoughts, ideas and helping us see how much God loves us to give us the GREAT blessings of his word. So hungry for the depth of these conversations❤

[@crystaldavies9314]

AMAZING!! It's almost a shame that we no longer get to witness the live acting in temples. I especially appreciated when Dave would say "stage directions" I was "watching " this in my head as you both spoke. Thank you!!

[@shannonlk2959]

Thank you guys so much! I wish Sunday school was like this.

[@tinysafari1851]

It is.

[@dinocollins720]

Alms 32 as a temple text!!! WOW increible! How do I miss these things?!?! i'm going to have to study this chapter in-depth!

[@talkingscripture]

Did you get your copy of In the Language of Adam yet?

[@dinocollins720]

@@talkingscripture no I didn’t yet. I added it to my tbr after listening to the podcast. It’s a must read at this point haha. I’ll buy a copy here in the next little while!

[@danielburns4483]

This is spectacular stuff. Thank you guys for reposting, I am reading Plain and Precious Things (albeit slowly, alongside a very intense dive into the scriptures as I prepare for my mission) and this just deepens it all for me. I was especially struck by the reframing of the Bread -> Stone, Fish -> Serpent idea- it is almost as if Christ was saying, “who here is wise enough to give as God would, who is asked for Bread and gives the greatest Bread, and is asked for Fish (perhaps water also?) and gives His only Begotten.” Many many thoughts on that. This illuminated me! Dave, if you’re ever in Long Beach CA, please let me buy you lunch!

[@talkingscripture]

Dave is a baller!

[@TheEricBaklyChannel]

I missed the first posting...thanks again.

[@michellehalladay]

Amen to that!

[@jenalynhancock3874]

So great! This should have thousands and thousands of likes. Love that you had him on and broke from the norm. Great things for people to dig into

[@dinocollins720]

Wow this was absolutely incredible!!! I can't express how jealous I am of bro Butler's Book of Mormon class in his Idaho ward haha!!! I could listen and study this all day!

[@tinysafari1851]

Great Point at the end it was mentioned that in Alma 12 if your wicked you forget the mysteries of God. Read Alma 12 : 9 and there you go. This verse highlights the idea that the mysteries of God are given according to one's diligence and obedience. Those who are heedless, or wicked, therefore, forget or are not given further light and knowledge due to their lack of diligence in following the Lord's commandments.

[@Remarkable-Moose]

I love the meat of the gospel. Continually striving to throw off my "natural man" and increase the ability of my eyes to see and my ears to hear. Thank you Brethren.

[@establishingzion688]

Classic discussion. Listening to again for the 4th time. So good! Thank you

[@talkingscripture]

Thanks for listening! His book In the Language of Adam is also a great addition to this discussion. Also, Dave and I recorded around 10-12 hours of bonus content for the book… it’s really good.

[@establishingzion688]

@talkingscripture yes! I got it for my birthday last month, it's superb! So grateful for wonderful deep thinkers like you two. I'm not the best deep thinker until someone shows me what to dig for.

[@robertbarrus8400]

Can not get enough of this. Loved every minute. Keep on truckin.

[@rachelthacker9030]

#GospelGeek here, and I love you guys and all your tangents!

[@talkingscripture]

Thanks for watching!

[@robertlewis7208]

Love the mind enlightened information still working 💪 on the faithful application to put off the natural man thank you for the catalyst

[@overp180]

Love it. Walking around WinCo grocery shopping and some of the sneaky jokes make me laugh so people keep looking at me. 😅 Thanks for making this stuff so easy to understand and appreciate. And for posting it so I can do my thing and still learn!!. Love you guys.

[@belindabrownharper4496]

I love WinCo, it is not in Mississippi. I am enjoying this extra insight!!!

[@serenamg]

Awesome! I have been blessed with ears to hear. I love parables. My favorite history teacher in college taught without the textbook. Thank you!!! 🙏🏻 ♾️

[@shawnbrigance3993]

Love these geek outs! Thank you

[@talkingscripture]

Thanks!

[@truleecarpenter6917]

Amazing podcast! Thank you.😊

[@juiceweezle]

What are the chances we could walk through that model tabernacle that was once used for tours and read the sermon on the mount in real time like Dave suggested? I would pay money to participate in that!

[@klynnlochhead8141]

I just finished and was experiencing chills after chills- combined with some tears. It also reminds me of our Prophet Pres. Nelson’s focus-everything should lead us to the temple! Thank you for helping to open my eyes more

[@jackiesnowflake2255]

I’m not really disappointed but I am. I love listening to you guys, but I also love seeing people while they’re talking. I wish there was a video not just speaking. I tend to see and hear better when I see the people speaking. I really do love the content tho.

[@talkingscripture]

Sorry! More forthcoming… Dave and I work together quite a bit. We have a video coming out soon on “Mormonism with the Murph” on KZbin in a few days.

[@jackiesnowflake2255]

@@talkingscripture I’ve seen you and Dave a lot on ward radio, that’s where I first saw you both. I enjoy listening to you guys, there are a lot of you from ward radio that I love listening to. Thanks for being there all of you, you all have made my scripture study so more interesting and I fun

[@GAILandROD]

Why did it change!

[@andreacardon2691]

Thank you for reposting, we love when you and Dave geek out on us! ❤🎉🐉🐦‍🔥🎁🥳🙏🏽

[@diannesmart4797]

I loved this so much. Thank you

[@shaunamonson9376]

Thank you so much I loved this message and needed it so message.

[@sandrahurst4123]

That was the most provocative 2 hrs I’ve ever listened to. lol. Thank you for increasing our understanding!

[@ghstrdio]

Incredible. I was on this same path but just so much slower. Unlocked a meaning in my pblessing which I've been thinking about for years

[@talkingscripture]

I figure as long as we keep moving forward having faith in Christ and getting up every time we slip, the promises in Moroni 10 hold true.

[@denisebagley2342]

Be ye therefore perfect… accept the knowledge which is the covenant

[@laramccully3272]

I have never once considered myself a “geek”. But WOW, I do love this stuff!🥰

[@susanerickson7517]

❤🙏great insights

[@brianbacon3106]

Thanks for moving this up in the history it’s a great introduction to this topic and is great milk to the current episodes

[@talkingscripture]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@venusreyes3061]

Thank you❤️

[@talkingscripture]

You’re welcome 😊

[@andrewdurfee3896]

55:40 The shinning ones. You know who also shined? Brigham Young.

[@talkingscripture]

As REM says, we need more shiny happy people!

[@Derongee]

Let you light so shine, ie become a shinning one

[@Art65483]

Terrific information.

[@MichaelGMoney]

Never hurts to revisit great knowledge. 👍

[@TheGreaterU]

I've noticed the tree seems to be returning to the Temples nowadays. The Payson, Layton, and Orem temples have a particular tree throughout the entire architecture. After having listened to a lot of Mike and Dave's content I sure feel even closer to God when attending the temple. Thank you.

[@iknovate]

Indeed. I was so used to tree motifs through the entire Dallas Temple, I was shocked not to find a single one anywhere in the Spokane Temple.

[@dianahumphries5906]

This is soooo interesting!! Meat for my soul! And Mike Day's laugh always makes me laugh along with him 😂

[@dinocollins720]

Dave is so awesome!!! I love studding all his research! He's incredible!

[@graemehuia5964]

In the dream some partook of the fruit yet they were ashamed. How is that so? How does that happen? Thinking that the fruit would have been this all encompassing experience that would have changed some one forever. 26:31

[@denisebagley2342]

The Temple, the wedding feast. In my opinion, the universe is a tree. A growing tree. Jesus at the center. The beginning and the end.

[@michellehalladay]

Incredible! So many dots are connecting for me after listening to this! Please make more like this! I beg you! Ha ha We are hungry for more! Knowledge is joy! You two make that point abundantly clear! I Love listening to you both!

[@shelloscie]

A possible connection to Matt 5:23-24 about the alter and reconciliation.... prayer circle an unkind feelings?

[@talkingscripture]

Indeed it is. Nibley even cites an ancient Christian source that talks about this as well.

[@denisebagley2342]

Swell, enlighten, enlarge, delicious. Alma 32, first letter of each word spells. “SEED” 😁

[@heddie04]

My son served in Genova Italy 1993

[@jewelhodson7715]

WOW

[@brianeberhard8190]

“The tree is Charity”. Whose fruit was desirable to make one happy. 1 Nephi 8:10-12. Try the fruit of Charity!!!

[@eveelane2806]

Do t forget to ask like , subscribe and comment so that others can find you‼️ I regularly refer people to your channel 👏

[@Thehaystack7999]

Something I’d love to share with you is the Egyptian and Hebrew connections especially with the 4 sons of Horus, and the 4 personifications of the tribes of Israel. I have done a couple presentations but would love to have that conversation with you.

[@denisebagley2342]

Have you ever seen the cross as the shape of a key?

[@talkingscripture]

I’m doing a ton of work on this now- rewriting a chapter in my dissertation, mainly with the idea in early Christianity as the cross/tree/life/shield of the king/staff of power…. But the key is intriguing… if u have stuff, send it over.

[@denisebagley2342]

@@talkingscripture I didn’t find it anywhere. I ponder and ask questions a lot. I love Christ. He teaches me incredible truth. When I am listening to some of these shows on KZbin, I see where all the pieces fit together. So it’s fun to listen to but frustrating at the same time. Wanting to give commentary. I am a treasure hunter by trade. I also am an inventor. This helps with understanding.

[@denisebagley2342]

@@talkingscripture one of my most recent pondering. What is the oil in the virgins lamp. What is the extra oil?

[@tinysafari1851]

@@talkingscripture the cross can be seen as a key in the sense that it unlocks the door to salvation through Jesus Christ's Atonement. It's the key to overcoming death and sin.

[@tinysafari1851]

@@denisebagley2342 The "extra oil" carried by the wise virgins represents their preparedness and commitment that goes beyond the minimum required. It indicates a reserve of spiritual strength, faith, and dedication that ensures they are ready to meet the Savior, no matter when He comes. The wise virgins are those who have taken the time to acquire personal spiritual experiences, deepening their testimonies and conversion, which can't be quickly given or borrowed, as the foolish virgins discovered. What are your thoughts about this? I would be very interested to hear them.

[@eveelane2806]

Mike, there’s a gigantic round and mostly flat stone discovered in the “Tour of the City of David “ in Israel. I’ve seen it on 2 videos, but not lately. I figured that the King’s throne sat upon it.

[@eveelane2806]

Dave, the Book of Mormon was translated for ALL PEOPLE to come to KNOW God and Jesus Christ better. Perhaps enlightened people will understand more. However, it is the greatest conversion tool that exists. As Joseph Smith said “A man will get closer to God by reading the Book of Mormon than by reading any other book “. To say it was written to be read by enlightened people may drive others away from reading it. Our WORDS MATTER and thank you for your knowledge and enthusiasm. 👏🤗❤️🙏🌈💯

[@ClintK.]

Geek away!!!!

[@TheEricBaklyChannel]

Amen!!!

[@lukeskywalker7461]

I think saying that God "is a man," the "he's human" is misleading. JS said that he was once as we are now, and is an exalted man (to that effect). I take this to mean that God and man are of the same lineage (what this entails is still a mystery), not that God is a man (it's like saying God is like man rather than man is like God - they are not the same thing).

[@talkingscripture]

Man of Holiness is a pretty cool title used in Moses I believe… Also he is called “Father” by Jesus more than any other title. I (Mike) believe he’s gendered, embodied, and glorified. A Man of Holiness. Just what I gather from the revelations of the restoration. I’m certainly not attempting to mislead in being direct that God is an exalted man.

[@rando7th]

Why the repost now? It was a pain to digging to find .

[@talkingscripture]

Because it goes along with CFM 3 Nephi 12-16, where the Savior delivers to the Nephites a discourse similar to the Sermon on the Mount.

[@서수미-p1t]

oh my, you look different without a hat (from ward radio) Knew the voice, not the hair.

[@lauriefrost8822]

Enlightening in many ways. But I disagree with Dave Butler’s frequent references to the Tree as a “divine feminine.” The ppl fell down at the tree and worshipped. Elder Bednar said the tree could symbolize Jesus Christ. Who else suffered and atoned for us? It seems to diminish our Savior to assume such worshipful symbolism would apply to the Tree as something or someone other than to Him, notwithstanding the nuggets of truth found in pagan mythology. It is through His “merits” that we are saved, on conditions of repentance - a good topic for a lawyerly discussion!

[@frankcastle5513]

1:08:00 Jesus is the Only Begotten, He is the only Son of God the Father. Jesus is both the Most High God's Son and our Father and Creator. It's all over the BoM and Bible.

[@frankcastle5513]

And we are only Christ's children when we are adopted His, when His name is sealed upon us by the promised Spirit.

[@mamalarsen829]

Thank you! 😊