David Amess's Death, The Future of Brexit, & Immigration

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[@TheCam920]

Tories, specifically Priti Patel, are using his death to attack online anonymity. She's also the woman we need to ask permission to protest.

[@weezersthebluealbum9479]

Don't forget her trying to pass an anti-immigration bill that literally breaks international law.

[@IntergalacticBinman]

​@@weezersthebluealbum9479 And complaining about the England players taking the knee during the Euros, only to get called out by them when she "condemned" racism against them during the finals. Not to mention she'd bring back the death penalty if she could. Complete tyrant. Btw you're the best Weezer album.

[@dustyboi8975]

She’s also the woman who wants there to be no legal responsibilities to save drowning migrants. Also for there to be legal immunity if actions taken to push migrant boats away “inadvertently” result in the deaths of said migrants She’s a soulless demon woman. The most overt psychopath in our current government of likely many psychopaths. She actually genuinely does seem to just lack empathy

[@l_galand942]

@@weezersthebluealbum9479 Thank you Wheezer, very cool!

[@gordonstrong5232]

@@dustyboi8975Or as Frankie Boyle put it: "Priti Patel, the one woman in Britain who can orgasm imagining a slow puncture at sea"

[@dudds6699]

I know this is going to sound weird but conservatives or any politician you disagree with in general that is willing to face his constituents regularly shouldn't be murdered.

[@whysocurious7366]

I think murdering people is bad. Unless it’s absolutely certain that murdering one person will stop lots of other people from being murdered, then it would actually be bad to not.

[@Chase_Ryan]

False.

[@dudds6699]

@@whysocurious7366 there are valid edge cases in my opinion you didn't find a new one.

[@Jarjarbinks683]

Politicians who aren't wiling to face there constituents though... /j

[@dudds6699]

@@Ass_of_Amalek I'm not a pro choice conservative trying to look good. If that is what you are asking

[@tylerhackner9731]

When is a Corbyn segment coming?

[@-kaijamesy-3056]

Well done, delayed for another day.

[@z0mbiebanana9891]

There's not much point now

[@unslaadkrosis3489]

@@Genesis-of3ln yeah our own left wing party sabotaged their election chances because the thought of Corbyn being PM “scares the shit out of them.” It was a massive blow for leftism and for democracy but yeah just mock us about it.

[@mrgaudy1954]

Not sure there is much point now, Corbyn isn't particularly relevant anymore.

[@leikfroakies]

@@unslaadkrosis3489 I supported Corbyn but the left has doomed itself to irrelevance in the party by only looking outward after the failure. I want a strong left in the party but all they've been doing is alienating anyone in the party that doesnt already agree with them. There was actually a great chance for the left to find a better candidate to move the party forward but instead momentum opted for one they could control over one that could lead the party

[@tillposer]

The Thames-pronunciation is a result of Received Pronunciation, i.e. the rule that the King's English is The Correct Way. Enter a dimwitted German prince in the early 18th century, who couldn't wrap his tongue around the "teeaitch" and who pronounced "Thames", nee Tamesis, which was pronounced up to that point according to English spelling, as "de Temse" (German pronunciation). The courtiers followed suit, of course, not to embarrass said dim prince...

[@d.l.7416]

That seems like a folk etymology. At one point (~1700) it was a long version of the vowel in "head", which in most words became the vowel in name, but instead of doing that in Thames it shortened to just the vowel in head because it was a commonly used word. At least thats my guess based on the great vowel shift.

[@mathieuleader8601]

every politician coming out in favour of banning anonymity on the internet should also give up the right to ever give an unattributed quote to the press.

[@kaviz]

It does also sit weird with me the left tendency to not want to criticise non Christian far right extremists, because let's be real radical Islamic extremists are also far right.

[@Fredric_Cedrich]

Vaush, I’d be happy to come on & talk Brexit with you anytime & really show you the utter insanity it’s become.

[@TheAmericanAmerican]

Oh don't worry, we know how insane it can get because we are still dealing with the trump-humpers here and the fascist GOP egging them on... both our countries are totally effed in the A with no lube right now 🙃

[@Fredric_Cedrich]

@@TheAmericanAmerican yeah but the difference is you guys voted them out of real power we gave them a fucking majority.

[@TheAmericanAmerican]

@@Fredric_Cedrich Oh just wait for our midterm elections next year... Joe Biden and the Democrats are doing what they do best by cowering to their capitalist overlords and keeping the status quo so they therefore will most likely lose their majorities in the House and Senate in 2022 and then the GOP will do what they do best and implement more fascism in the US... the next Trumpist will come soon and he will probably be more intelligent than Donald(not that hard really) and we will have a much harder time fighting back against the next attempted fascist coup d'etat Like I said, we are both effed in the long run...

[@gordonstrong5232]

@@Fredric_Cedrich Yeah the UK has an unfortunate boomer gammon problem. Those fuckers vote Tory no matter what, because they bought their houses for peanuts before the market soared in the noughties, they have comfortable pensions that cost them bugger all, and even the educated ones got free university tuition and living expenses. Plus most if them never worked in today's shitty low paid, crap conditions gig economy. So they're sitting pretty, and thry spend all day ingesting right-wing propaganda by the UK's majority reactionary press.

[@TheAmericanAmerican]

@@gordonstrong5232 My man, what you just described is EXACTLY what is happening in the USA with our boomers and the Republicans... it's almost as if both of our countries have been on the same "trickledown economic" path that was put in place back when Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher got together 🤔🤔🤔

[@sortingoutmyclothes8131]

i agree broadly, but he doesn't understand religious history that well the protestant reformation was literally about being able to read the bible in your native language and spaniards evangelized their slaves just as much and catholicism does not have the same relationship to labor.

[@MikeSpike117]

Yay my country is back on the show

[@obiwanshinobi5098]

Your country? Its everyones you big nazi! Let infinite migrants in to apologise for colonialism now!!!

[@ordohereticus3427]

19:24 - “They want a parallel legal system for the religious laws. Not to replace civil law.” Sure. That’s a very charitable and nice take, and there is a very minor element of this in practice in the UK. It certainly doesn’t supersede civil law. Except for the part where the religious law can undermine inheritance matters for women. In the UK, it’s to their fortune that they can revert to civil law if some religious ruling does go against their interests - though many also fail to on account of community pressure and not being too well versed on their rights within broader society - but this is precisely why having a retrograde parallel religious system, even in a restricted form, is quite problematic because it can force a kind of societal segregation and disconnect for those who might benefit from knowing that they have options outside that framework. One can be agreeable and considerate towards Muslims and work towards their integration without alienating them, but also without assimilating the problematic aspects of the religious system. Otherwise, based take on how problematic religious ideologies should be called out.

[@pragueuprising560]

Thoughtful comment, but how are you going to stop people from being bound by the rulings of a court they have voluntarily agreed to be bound to?

[@ordohereticus3427]

​@@pragueuprising560 That's a good question. Perhaps there should be a very selective approach to even having parallel legal systems? This also raises another question. Is an individual, raised from childhood in an environment where they are conditioned to believe they have a lesser standing than others with little concept of rights or options outside that framework, really a willing and informed volunteer to such an arrangement? Not really. That said, there are activists trying to get women in such communities better informed about their rights and options outside such religious rulings, some of them even made by completely unregulated courts run entirely by their own local clerics, often making unlawful rulings and demands on others, and not recognised under English law. In fact, one of the arguments in favour of assimilating some purely money-related aspects of Sharia law as part of English law (but not to supersede civil law), was centred around being able to better regulate the concept and to prevent its problematic elements from emerging. This aim included taking away the appeal of these underground/segregated community courts that generally operate entirely outside the law, making declarations on matters far more complex than just taxation and charity, and seeing those decisions get forced on certain people within the community, often women. It’s not clear how well this strategy has worked thus far because such courts still exist and their problematic outcomes remain. Also, the whole point Vaush made here was in response to someone arguing that many Muslims desire Sharia law, and this was in relation to polling data, with Vaush's counter argument being that his perusal of the polling data indicated that they simply wanted a mild version of Sharia that doesn't override civil law. However, I don't think that's entirely accurate when it comes to such figures in countries like the UK. Some of the polling found that a sizeable number don't just want some minor Sharia for, say, how much money they want taken out for religious charity, but rather, they want the pursuit of some fairly retrograde ideas, such as homosexuality being made illegal. Of course, the polling methodology and data itself could be scrutinised further, but as far as the face value findings are concerned, it wasn't just a case of some Muslims wanting a largely softened and minor form of Sharia.

[@carl8790]

Excuse me for my ignorance, but isn't the UK ruled by secular law? Allowing Muslims to practice their religion peacefully, allowing Muslim women and men to wear traditional clothes are great steps to inclusion, but what's the limit? Is Sharia Law welcome and should override secular law?

[@ordohereticus3427]

@@carl8790 You are correct in general about UK law. Muslims are more than allowed to practice their religion peacefully. The UK has taken some official steps towards accommodating some aspects of Sharia arbitration when it comes to certain matters such as commercial, taxation and charity deductions. This accommodation doesn’t supersede UK law and must operate within said framework. However, underground/unsanctioned/legally unrecognised Sharia courts do exist. So too do their problematic rulings and consequences on many women. You can do a basic cursory search on this topic. Of course, there are various groups also trying to address these and help those who become victimised by such courts.

[@carl8790]

@@ordohereticus3427 thank you for expanding on that. I'll be honest, I'm not too keen on reading more on this matter, since I don't know what is the correct source to read. I've been lead down on a Islamophobic pipeline before and I wish not repeat those mistakes. Can you recommend any non-problematic reading material or KZbin content? It'll be highly appreciated.

[@leoharrison7449]

UK vaush fan here and tbh something that I’ve noticed is a really needless and larpy anti English antagonism, people acting like it’s still the 1760s like come on we’re all on the same side

[@pogo8050]

I take it as him just having a laugh. If you feel like it’s legit offensive, you should email him. I’m sure he’d be willing to tone it down if he realize it upsets people

[@Idarak1]

Same here, kinda annoys me

[@xuxuang8574]

@@pogo8050 it's not upsetting, more mildly irritating.

[@Tacklepig]

Antagonism to other countries is almost always a joke dude. Like... most germans will also joke about the french being our hereditary enemies (which was a WW1 propaganda point). It's a joke, not a dick, don't take it so hard

[@TheAmericanAmerican]

Guys, we're like cousins busting each other's balls for shits and giggles! You mean to tell me none of you guys make fun of us yanks constantly!? You honestly should be! 🤣

[@FRU.No.1]

As someone born and bred in Leigh on Sea (pronounced Lee. We are Leigh-ites techically) it's a beautiful part of coastal Essex with excellent transport into London, a still active fishing community in Old Leigh and strong traditions. Local fisherman voulenteered to sail to rescue soldiers in Dunkirk under enemy fire and their bravery was lauded by admiral Ramsey at the time. Its a diverse community with a large afro carribean, authodox jew and Easter European population. Southend a few miles away took in over 500 Kosovan refugees to a relatively small area at the time of the war. 57% voted leave so not a massive nationalist anti EU area. This attack is not an ethnic or cultural representation of the area its one lone nutter and should be treated as such not a commentary on the area as a whole.

[@obiwanshinobi5098]

Most leftists i know voted leave. I cant understand how anyone can be an anarchist and vote remain. Its insane logic. Voting for less power in the hands of the powerful is always more logical!

[@FRU.No.1]

@@obiwanshinobi5098 I'm on the left and voted remain for 1 simple reason that was so glaringly obvious and has been proved right. All the main fundamental issues that are wrong with the UK won't be solved by leaving. 800k homeless, 1 in 3 kids born in poverty, lack of housing, roads and public utilities falling to pieces, cost of living sky rocketing. None of these would be fixed by brexit and its sucked all the political will and pressure out the daily conversation. 5 years of discussing trade deals, visas, supply routes, import red tape etc as the Tories continue to Stoke culture war bollocks and get away with lining their own pockets at every turn.

[@obiwanshinobi5098]

@@FRU.No.1 yea but we can correct all that ourselves we dont need the dam eu! Stop being so weak and needing big brother eu super state to sort out your problems! Power to the people! Of course the elite will punish us for Brexit but the strong will out. We can remove the tories ourselves!

[@FRU.No.1]

@@obiwanshinobi5098 think ur missing my point mate. I'm not necessarily pro EU as an institution its undemocratic and I say this with a Belgian wife. I couldn't give 2 shits if we were in or out the EU, we have wasted 5 years focusing on bureaucratic wonkery instead of focusing on issues that affect us on a local level.

[@alejandrorivas4585]

So... the on sea is silent????

[@orikkun]

Corbyn Segment when?

[@unslaadkrosis3489]

Never. He only cares about American leftism.

[@josephhardwicke6344]

@@unslaadkrosis3489 to be fair, I think he's American

[@ninjasheep7492]

24:25 Roman mythology was extremely pro homosexuality and bisexuality. As such the first 13 Roman emperors were bisexual or homosexual openly. The 14th was considered kind of weird for being straight. Then christianity came along and coincidentally society started becoming extremely homophobic with little difference in economic conditions between high middle ages europe and classical era europe? We arent even to a place where bisexuality is fully normalized and we have global trade, public schooling and modern welfare states. But i am sure it has nothing to do with how christianity and islam demands the death penalty for homosexuals while many roman gods were literally LGBT.

[@zant2146]

Based paganism, bring it back it's so much more based

[@Tacklepig]

I mean, christianity also literally committed cultural genocide on all pre-christian european cultures. The only of those cultures we even still have first hand documentation on are Greek and Roman, because they valued written documents more. We know basically nothing about the Germanic, Celtic, Slavic etc people other than what the romans and greek wrote about them and a few things that were transcribed from oral tradition by christian monks (usually hundreds of years later and only in fragments).

[@Tacklepig]

@@zant2146 people are doing that, neopaganism is a thing (though also riddled with fucking nazis, sadly).

[@hughtubecube]

Modern understanding of sexuality isn’t relevant to that era tbh. We shouldn’t talk using terms like “bi” or “straight” or “homosexual” because there was technically no such thing in that society’s conception of sexuality (it’s a bit more complex than that but I just want to illustrate how irrelevant those terms are tbh) Basically we shouldn’t analyse an ancient era using explicitly modern conceptions of things - it’s the same reason why we shouldn’t talk about the Spartan economy in Marxist terms: it might be interesting once you’ve smoked a joint but it’s completely irrelevant to the era you’re analysing if you’re trying to be serious

[@alexh2947]

As someone who lives very close to "lay on sea" it's pronounced lee, it isn't actually on sea it just sits on the Thames (sounds like tems) Having met David in person I can say he was a very kind man with an awful voting record.

[@catdogfan732]

I mean, isn’t British English the mother language that birthed American English

[@krempelritter9950]

@@catdogfan732 "Blagged? Speak English to me, Tony. I thought this country spawned the fucking language, and so far nobody seems to speak it." Cousin Avi in Snatch

[@OIKJJGNGGS]

@@beowyfe i think it's closer that the revolutionaries and their families purposefully changed things to differentiate. Otherwise we'd sound closer to Australians or maybe a more strict but still englishy accent. I mean why else do we pronounce Z differently

[@catdogfan732]

@KrempelRitter ???

[@krempelritter9950]

@@catdogfan732 Snatch is a 2000 crime comedy by Guy Ritchie, starring Brad Pitt, Jason Statham, Benicio del Toro and many others. Cousin Avi (Dennis Farina) is a charakter from New York who visits London and doesn't understand what Tony (Vinnie Jones), an Englishman, said to him. Your comment reminded me of this quote. Great movie, really worth watching.

[@pizzaboy2242]

BRITBONG SEGMENT, as a britbonger I thank you

[@soccerruben1]

Please have either Owen Jones and/or LonerBox on stream to discuss this in depth, since they prob know the ins and outs of British politics, and maybe (a huge maybe) a segment on the state of UK Labour.

[@PM-xu2nq]

He's had Owen on before!

[@seventeenseventythirteen7465]

Oh god this is going to fucking suck. Reactionaries aren't gunna let this one go. Expect the hate crimes to raise UK.

[@kibi8311]

Yikes pfp

[@brandonavalos2718]

@@kibi8311 you know if you know haha nice

[@tyruskarmesin5418]

Speaking of hate crimes, that’s a nice profile picture.

[@obiwanshinobi5098]

I love that you are so cucked your main concern is the rise in supposed hate crimes and not more terrorist attacks. Beyta! Lol!

[@kibi8311]

@@obiwanshinobi5098 nerd go touch grass

[@ghastlyghandi4301]

I hate to defend the British here, but most English names either come from or are a mix of words from the french, the Germans, the Norse, or Welsh, which is why their names are kinda weird. It’s just cultural exchange baby!

[@FelisImpurrator]

Still, this is a bit of Amess.

[@Zretgul_timerunner]

@@FelisImpurrator ba-dum-tish

[@pogo8050]

The word York is from the Norse word Jorvik. I wonder what the Vikings who discovered vinland would think about their cousins creating the namesake for one of the biggest and most influential cities ever on the coast they discovered

[@zant2146]

I wouldn't call Rome conquering the lower half of England and inserting their culture there a "cultural exchange" but ok 💀💀💀

[@darthozlord]

@@zant2146 that’s not really the point but even then, the Romans were pretty decent towards the Britons during their time in England. The English language has a “little” bit of Latin in there because of the Romans, but not enough for it to be significant. It’s more Germanic than Latin.

[@z0mbiebanana9891]

It's weird for someone in America to talk about a stabbing that literally happened like 5 mins from where I used to live xD, he does suck though. Stabbings happen in Southend all the time, especially Leigh

[@tinycrimester]

"i don't like tekken" - vaush 2021 CANCELLED

[@LusciousHam]

Truuuuuu

[@Huunre]

Anyone who's been exposed to more technical, more dynamic fighting games will quickly pass on tekken. Other top fighters, namely Street Fighter, KoF and MK have advanced impressively in their latest installments; but the relic that is tekken just can't seem to evolve. if you want something a little more "button-masher-friendly," tekken might be your cup of tea.... Key word, might.

[@chuggermagic]

Tf is wrong with u dude chill

[@prawn1717]

@@Huunre Isn't Tekken 7 widely considered the hardest and most technical fighting game on the market rn?

[@alejandrorivas4585]

@@prawn1717 pretty much. Its one of those titles that rewards mechanical refinement, and so players who have been playing tekken for 15, 20 years are vastly more likely to win over newer players simply because they don't need to practice execution as much. Not to mention tekken has movesets in the hundreds per character. That said, there are titles more technically demanding like some anime fighters. GG Xrd was notoriously brutal in this regard, tho strive is much more streamlined. That said, tekken is easily the most balanced and watchable fighter of them all, and has one of the most dynamic tournament scenes (ignore the leroy period).

[@homeape.]

vaush euro arc. love it

[@Jarjarbinks683]

We as leftist should denounce Islamist radicals who commit terrorist attacks HOWEVER, We also shouldn't let our message afterwards redound to islam or religion as a whole is bad. There are many ways we as leftist can talk about these topics, for example, Corbyn after the London terrorist attacks. Many took to simply denouncing the attack or showing of compassion for those died and those who survived but Corbyn did way more then that. In the aftermath, he made solid critiques of the conservative government and western imperialism in its wake. He pointed out that underfunding of the police through austerity hindered the response to the attack and also that the men's hard turn to radical Islam was in part due to there past as middle eastern immigrants who came from nations that we as the west plundered and destroyed in the war's like the Iraq war. This messaging wasn't just based, it helped Corbyn in the election of 2017. I saw many videos of British voters who at first hated Corbyn but soon turned to him as his message around the attack convinced many around his message of anti neoliberalism and anti impearlism. Mad lad Corbyn, the only leftist to GAIN votes after a terror attack In total, don't be a zero, be a anti imperialist. Hugs and kisses :)

[@StangerStrange]

I think this is an issue with programmes like Prevent as they really don't seem to be doing their job.

[@GamingMashed]

Just because an attack happens doesn't mean they don't work...

[@zant2146]

They can't get every last one of them, but they do help in preventing most attacks. You just don't hear about it because, well, it doesn't happen.

[@youngimperialistmkii]

Well said Vaush.

[@sookendestroy1]

The subject of material position is also why in countries with mass imprisonment crime gets worse, as generally when you treat people like animals they will then act that way out of spite and desperation.

[@steveharrison76]

When the police say “not looking for anyone else” they mean that they aren’t suspicious that Ali was part of some sort of cell, but acting alone - not that they think some other bloke might have done it. They are saying that they don’t think that there will be other attacks linked to this one.

[@t4ky0n]

yay love when vaush talks UK politics

[@balfyrown3023]

I mean. He tries.

[@t4ky0n]

@@balfyrown3023 true 😭😭

[@falkorornothing261]

I grew up in a mennonite community. slavery was looked down on, vary little history of any mennonites having slaves. in 1688 the mennonites in PA (where I come from) put out a antislavery article. you can still read it on the internet. despite the fact I never joined the church, (mennonites join the church around 16yrs old) I've always been interested in the bible including the history of it and Christianity. I'm pretty sure I know way more about it than the vast majority of Christians.

[@valentinpavlov8082]

03:05 " People who die get killed " .🤣 Sounds like something rave dubin would say.

[@iampuff7]

The reason why Muslims in western countries tend to be more progressive is the same reason why christians in the middle east tend to be more progressive: they are not the religious status quo. So it kinda looks like religion is not the problem but consetvatism

[@7000_Skeletons]

1:36 that paragraph... I wonder what ever could have caused such a state of events?

[@tareke586]

Agree with Vaush here

[@Oldmanplum]

So what did this video have to do with the future of brexit?

[@PancakemonsterFO4]

21:49 Vaush and Hassan debate! Vaush and Hassan debate!

[@theFirstMark]

The "drugs" episode of BrassEye will never hit the same again

[@MarkArandjus]

How do you name your self 'Vowsh' by spelling it 'Vaush' and then make fun of the spelling of Thames? :D

[@Toner_Cartirdge]

It's just his anti br*tish bias 😞

[@gregfar6398]

That’s cause it’s pronounced Vaush not vowsh

[@AH-vm8yo]

@@Toner_Cartirdge Hasan has that bad.

[@MarkArandjus]

@@gregfar6398 He specifically said it isn't. Even he says it like 'vowsh'.

[@gregfar6398]

@@MarkArandjus regardless tho I’m pretty sure the spelling comes from a German name from a comic/webcomic he’s read

[@batkoniko]

Frenchie here. Charlie Hebdo makes fun of everything but is pretty left wing in general I think, they Portrayed Islamic carricatures, Muhammed saying "Why are they so stupid" or something about Jihadists.

[@dearyvettetn4489]

“You should be satisfied with what God has given you…” is time honored know-your-place gaslighting. Definitely a classic.

[@SarahRoseCO10]

I like when Vaush talks about religion, it doesn't happen often but I enjoy the bluntness of it.

[@SaraphDarklaw]

I like your shirt.

[@mikoaj5668]

Vaush on his skeptic arc

[@VYScuti]

Good

[@billieeisenhower406]

based vaush

[@ordohereticus3427]

“Charlie Hebdo was racist and Islamophobic.” Dude. No. You have the wrong end of the stick and it isn’t even funny. Ignorant of French culture and the very complex and highly left wing history of Charlie Hebdo as dry satire. Edit: Also, David Amess wasn’t horrible in any exceptional sense. He was little more than a pro Brexit social conservative who also happened to be sympathetic to the needs of his constituents, many of them of foreign ancestry. He was also opposed to animal cruelty and fox hunting, the latter being quite important to the typical Tory snob. Not a terrible person by a decent margin.

[@zant2146]

You're probably French shut up

[@ordohereticus3427]

@@zant2146 Cool rebuttal, bro. Do it again.

[@mathieuleader8601]

@@zant2146 not much of a rebutally if he talking from a personal experience

[@zant2146]

@@mathieuleader8601 didn't ask + you fell off + i'm french too + ratio

[@ordohereticus3427]

@@zant2146 So, in all seriousness, you do agree that his initial take on CB was entirely off the mark, yes?

[@shellbell5537]

I literally live in Leigh, this is painful.

[@shellbell5537]

The pronunciation not the death, RIP and all that though.

[@jascu4251]

@@shellbell5537 Is Leigh on Sea pronounced the same as the Leigh near Wigan?

[@shellbell5537]

@@jascu4251 it sure is

[@jascu4251]

@@shellbell5537 Thanks, I thought Vaush was wrong but realized I didn't actually know, and the two towns might have been pronounced differently. I got caught with Newcastle and different pronunciations before! with a) NEWcassel, b) nuCASSel, c) newCAARsel!

[@z0mbiebanana9891]

Wow no way I used to live there :D, well westcliff. I would have thought I was the only one xd.

[@crowforcast3583]

Vaush malding over the pronunciation of the most famous English river.

[@duncanmacleod6274]

Hard disagree on religious text not strongly influencing religious people that much. Yeah there can be nationalist or fascist tendencies in any group, but religious texts give people bad ideas and train them not to question religious authority. There are many type of Christianity because some ignore the Bible more than others, and most selectively ignore things due to how much of a contradictory mess the entire book is collectively. Most of the bad ideas from religious groups come from their texts though, and most religious conflicts from religions without major issues in their dogma come from longstanding ethnic conflicts over land or resources, or just xenophobia. The latter seems to be a pretty strong trend in religion-themed nationalist groups associated with Hinduism or Buddhism.

[@iron-mage]

3Head segment we win these 3Head

[@badman11221]

OMG!!! this is where i live! Southend-on-sea, leigh-on-sea is within southend! You said my home town, im star struck! 🤩🤩🤩

[@DylanSmith-kc2gc]

Vaush would hate how Londoners pronounce Marylabone.

[@jascu4251]

I definitely hate how Londoners pronounce Doncaster, Wakefield, and York, thats for sure!

[@chuggermagic]

I hate how Yorkshiremen pronounce everything

[@obliviousotterI]

Marl-a-bun

[@StangerStrange]

Which part of London? Pretty big difference between north, south, east and west.

[@DylanSmith-kc2gc]

@@StangerStrange no, regardless of where you’re at, north, south, east, or west, you would still pronounce it Marl-a-bon.

[@FrellowMe]

vuash

[@malluk3065]

suffer?

[@aloreantherogue4439]

jeez man... no need to get so political

[@johnnynoxis4042]

18:52 the sharia religious laws they want to have in addition to UK laws directly conflict though. Example- muslim business owners refusing to hire women.

[@alishamuhidin3604]

That doesn’t really happen lol there are a lot of problems with Islam tho A lot of Muslim issues,but they mainly effect those within those community

[@ericosagie3046]

Exactly. Follow the civil law or fuck off

[@Chantal2468]

Bee REX tIT 🐝💥🤬

[@eternaleye2372]

I'm going to have to thumbs up your cheesy but crafty pun work here because a bee once did wreck my tit and it fucking hurt.

[@dragunov815]

Darn.

[@jse92]

I'm British and I also got confused by "surgery"

[@Tacom4ster]

No mention of Philosophy Tube Islamicphobia essay?

[@Silver_Prussian]

Yes i dont like the religion problem ?

[@DeltanateTV]

@@Silver_Prussian yes

[@mathieuleader8601]

Its islamophobia

[@Tacklepig]

This video is mostly just islamophobia as preached by the european right. It's a case of these conversations just not getting over to 'murica - only the right is talking about this because there's nothing to talk about, because it's literally just their propaganda, but Vaush only sees that there's something being talked about and takes it at face value. This is as if someone from europe were to say "well, I guess we gotta take those trans bathroom concerns seriously from the left, can't leave that conversation to the right entirely".

[@DeltanateTV]

@@Tacklepig TRUE! I was so disappointed w/ vaush after seeing this video..

[@soccerguy325]

Where was the part about the future of Brexit? Lol

[@QT5656]

Does anyone else get spammed daily by the TimcastIRL channel since the Vaush Kirk debate?

[@beastemeauxde7029]

This is the guy from Underworld right???

[@johnxina3972]

Brexit means Brexit

[@nielsjensen4185]

I remember that specific questionarie and the question about that was heavily biased toward that interpretation of the result. That was the usual scientific figleaf that people who think like that always hide behind as they have no science on their side. Like, at all.

[@duncanmacleod6274]

I really have to hard disagree on the takes on religious law courts. This is a VERY bad direction, regardless of the religion. This should not be equated to whatever social consequences already exist in religious communities for religious indiscretions. I don't think these polls said "with no actual authority or ability to enforce anything" as a caveat to wanting to see more religious law implemented. Religious courts and religious law mean religious law enforcement unless you're talking about maybe internal disputes within churches and among clergy. Let's not go full Sam Harris and make this a race thing, but there are some seriously fucked up attitudes among some religious groups in some places, and many of them could or would be imposed on people who didn't really consent to them if their practitioners got their way.

[@-xphobia]

Oh noooo... please don't.....

[@SeanLaMontagne]

@24:30 Boss's opinion is correct when it comes to leaders, political leaders, and religious sycophants that turn into leaders. However I do agree with chat that the average rural Republican Christian does read the Bible while also blindly following the Christian political leaders who don't follow the Bible. Vaush's chat gets mad at him because he conflates the average working-class Christian with the average Christian political leader

[@mrelba9176]

TEMS...HOW HARD IS THIS!?

[@mikewilson8221]

This is an extremely based Vaush video.

[@pranafox_]

I guess you could say they made Amess of David

[@cuber3603]

Wow, I felt like a bad person for laughing at that

[@pranafox_]

@@cuber3603 I'm so very very sorry

[@maeschder]

Holy shit how is "they want an additional court system" in any way acceptable? Its literally a case of them wanting separate laws, not unofficial stuff like churches.

[@Tacklepig]

No, it's not. This is ONLY about minor civil cases, which in these cases aren't even decided by judges in the "normal" legal system, but rather by mediators (who are usually lawyers or something like that by trade). They simply want the ability to use their own mediators who will rule based on religious law. This is NOT about them trying to evade or undermine the actual legal system. This only involves cases like disputes among neighbors etc, that would be too minor to bother actual courts anyways.

[@RrRr-or5tw]

@@Tacklepig then let them use lawyers and the laws of that country to figure it out instead of their religioun. I don’t want a pastor to solve problems amongst Christians and the same goes for Islam. It just sounds like something from the Middle Ages. If it is something that would normally require a lawyer or the involvement of that country’s laws to any extend then it should be solved under those laws and not some religious bs.

[@pitdarkangel2961]

It's about civil disputes, not seperate laws.

[@ericosagie3046]

@@pitdarkangel2961 don't care follow the secular civil law or fuck off

[@Blackwidow391]

As a kaballah jew i very much resonate with the poeple arent influenced by the text of there religions and then people are surprised when i take issue with isreal trampling the commandments of our faith by treating palistinians inhumanely also vaush jews dont believe in hell

[@AviWax]

There he goes again. Vaush, wrong on the merits of Tekken

[@castillogrande8926]

I mean. I GUESS it's bad... but am I gonna shed a tear? More likely to bake a cake tbh

[@VodShod]

11:45 I totally agree fuck tekan. I am fine with letting people with "certain" tastes use their time to play it mostly so there are less of them spreading their "certain" tastes to the rest of the gaming community... I just have one question... what is tekan? oh and It is spelled tekan right?

[@samve_000]

We should call Islamic extremism islamofascism

[@tanishqvedak1862]

VAUSH ATHEIST ARC LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO!!!

[@yusufrizvi7219]

2:50 How would you say Thomas, eh Vaush? Also 26:06 there are blatantly obvious parts of the Qur'an which acknowledge that humans aren't perfect, which is where concepts such as asking Allah for forgiveness after sinning come from, hence why at least muslims do not follow islamic text consistently; it is simply because we as humans just aren't perfect and we may err in our ways for forgetfulness, or arrogance ect.

[@yaelomannetje]

8:45 I have never heard a serious left leaning person say this

[@tyruskarmesin5418]

The word serious is doing a lot of work there. Plenty of stupid left leaning people say that.

[@VYScuti]

I don't agree vaush.

[@hermaeusmora4049]

26:22 I’ve always found it annoying how people will treat the bible as if it’s metaphorical when defending it, but always take it literally when discussing how to implement it.

[@billieeisenhower406]

it's nazi fantasy bs who cares

[@cobrakaier238]

Charlie Hebdo made fun of the victims of the Italian earthquakes in 2009. Their cartoons were always in bad taste. Not that it is a reason to kill them. But it is a pretty nasty publication to be fair.

[@zant2146]

"To be fair" 10 people were murdered, you don't have to be fair in any way shape or form 🥴

[@cobrakaier238]

@@zant2146 it was more of a criticism of the people who were defending them saying they are making fun of everyone. Noone deserves to be killed for their art. I already said it is not a reason to kill them. Just saying that this publication is more of a fruit of French superiority complex rather than a some kind of a battle for free speech Their 'comedy' is what the alt right would call comedy when they shit on black people and LGBT+ folk.

[@Tacklepig]

@@zant2146 yeah, but getting murdered doesn't make their jokes less shit, lol

[@dimralli4558]

@@cobrakaier238 Doesn't seem like you've ever read Charlie Hebdo. And that "French superiority complex" thing is an interesting take, not at all overly simplistic, biased, nor prejudiced... :x

[@cobrakaier238]

@@dimralli4558 have you seen the cartoon I am talking about? They portayed victims of an earthquake as pasta dishes. Really funny indeed. I am not even Italian but I see how French have portrayed Italians in their media and Charlie Hebdo is just an example. That is what I mean by French superiority complex. Just Google Charlie Hebdo and Italy and see the 'brilliant satire'. It is all making fun of unfortunate events.

[@eye-chan1711]

The true JQ…

[@diegoseba12]

Sure, I may not think advocating for violence against reactionary politicians is a good idea. However, I don't shed a single tear for them if it does happen.

[@raddude_1115]

Just out of curiosity, what did he do to loose any sympathy in your eyes (not a trap question im genuinely trying to understand your mindset)

[@kaavi1391]

Good for you . In my view all socialists should be taken for a ride in a helicopter , If you know what I mean .

[@jdprettynails]

@@raddude_1115 He was very anti-LGBT and an anti-abortion, pro-death penalty religious conservative. He shouldn't have been stabbed, but that's mainly why people aren't broken up about it

[@felwinter7883]

@@jdprettynails ah yes, acting like a zealot because politicians to adhere to my views is completely justified. The rationalizations of lefties are sickening.

[@efffvss]

Also, there was a lot of hand wringing and condemnation of the 'highly charged, confrontational and entrenched' nature of recent British politics. But Amess was part of the bloc that has been stoking those fires for at least 5 years (almost certainly longer, but 2016 was when it started to get bad) so there's something of a 'reap what you sow' sentiment at play. Now it's certainly not good that he was killed, but he doesn't deserve the excessive hagiography he's received over the last week imo. It's also slightly disgusting that the Tories are getting all worked up about MP safety now, but not when the Labour MP Jo Cox was murdered in 2016 by an explicit right wing reactionary during the EU referendum campaign. Back then it was all 'nobody should politicise this' (which is inherently bullshit you can't 'politicise' an already politically motivated murder, and the remain side going along with it was bloody stupid). But now a Tory, one of their own, has been on the receiving end suddenly they're all so scared for their safety that action is required.

[@williamwigmore1968]

Thames, well you can’t criticise because its our language your speaking so its you who is pronouncing it wrong.

[@alioka1355]

Hey pretty sure vaush isnt gonna see this comment but this rubbed me the wrong way alot of culture in the middle east is islam and its kinda insane to be (even as a secular ex-muslim) to just be like fuck islam, also i feel like this is a representation of a lack of experience with people and cultures around islam and its not like i am trying to say that he cant talk about those topics its just that this comes off as kinda aggressive for no reason, still love your content dude but this video just really came off as not totally understanding alot of points and speaking hyperboliclly (also sry for the lack of structure i am on a phone)

[@Tacklepig]

No. The culture in the middle east is NOT islam. That's like saying "the culture in europe is christianity". Islam is an imperial force that went to the middle east, converted by the sword, and destroyed the actual ancestral cultures of these places. Islam originates basically only in Arabia, and even there wasn't the dominant religion until it violently suppressed other beliefs. I agree that Vaush is legit wrong on islam in this video, but your cultural take is equally wrong.

[@TheAmericanAmerican]

Pretty sure he clearly stated that he's against the religious institution of Islam(and all other religion institutions) and NOT the related culture(s) of Islam. There's a huge difference and I think he was crystal clear on it.

[@alioka1355]

@@Tacklepig i respectfully disagree as an egyptian ex-muslim, not being a muslim would mean that I would be socially isolated from almost all events and just things going on in egypt alot of the cultural glue that sticks me and my friends together is the shared experience of growing up muslim, however and you can even ask my christan friends on this like 50% to 60% of activities in egypt and in the broader middle east require you to be muslim to gain access to, even the idea of not believing in god is an insult in arabic maybe i was being emotional in my first response cause i had just watched the vid and was mad but in my honest opinion I think vaush is mostly correct here just think its just that i think it may be the tone that i take issue with and the fact that up till now i have never heard anyone say the words fuck islam with out them have a horrible case Islamophobia (again sry for lack of structure still on mobile lol) Edit: not saying his Islamophobic please dont misunderstand

[@doxpin7432]

*murder

[@U.F.R.G]

French "people" /j

[@FullMetalPanicNL]

Islam is a set of ideas, Muslims are the people. Ideas don't have right, people do. It's fine to criticize a set of ideas. The biggest victims of Islamism are Muslims. And another group that should get more attention is ex-Muslims, talk about marginalized. I'm an anti-theist ...but I'm a humanist first. And I also believe we should also help progressive/reformist Muslims, I don't think they have enough of a voice. Plus, it will also make it easier for people to leave the religion of Islam and no longer feel trapped.

[@walterl322]

I don't understand how any of this is controversial... religion bad, people good...

[@johnharrold3630]

Vowsh doesn't like Tekken? Cancelled

[@Sophia-vk5bq]

Serfs “Do we really need to kill ourselves through work to get to the afterlife?” Aristocrats “Pay no attention to the man behind the godhead.”

[@CultureStress]

Vaush needs to read the Talmud

[@WileyBoxx]

Can someone tell me why the UK is so authoritarian??? As soon as something bad happens people in their government love to try and pass as many laws as possible that restrict the rights of their citizens.

[@darthozlord]

Unfortunately it’s because of a decade of different Conservative governments going further and further to the right with each election we’ve had in the last decade. The first one was in 2010 because of the 2008 recession, but even then it was a Hung Parliament and the Liberal Democrat party came in to give them the seats and claimed they’d “Hold the Tories back on their stricter policies”. That was a blatant lie cause the leader then just gave up and went back in his promises completely. The second was David Cameron’s second term, but was also the one where he promised the EU referendum, excepting people not to care only for his mate Boris Johnson (who he propped up for Mayor of London some years back) to stab him in the back and go full charge on backing Brexit. Combine that with UKIP leader and Populist Nigel Farage, and the pro-EU side (both Left and Right leaning) being boring and not specific enough) Vote Leave won and Cameron fucked off soon after. This lead to Theresa May coming in as PM, who wasn’t great but managed to just win a snap election against Labour anyway. That was also a coalition government, one with a right-wing Northern Irish Unionist party. May negotiated deal after deal, each one getting rejected by Parliament three times. Eventually, she had to resign because she too couldn’t get it done. Which leads to Boris now.

[@kluuvien8204]

It's really not, just be careful of bias and echo chambers, they hamper the left as much as the right

[@alexbennet4195]

Less authoritarian than the US in many ways lmao

[@adxdenerlx6969]

I agree f islam, support and love muslims. As I've heard from religious people ''Hate the cringe, love the cringer''

[@zvenarschficker6663]

Eh, I refuse to believe England is a real place. I need more evidence.

[@ivanm970]

I’m doing my own research on it.

[@TheAmericanAmerican]

Tis a silly place.

[@josephhardwicke6344]

You need THAT much coping to know that free health care exists? Jesus, I feel for you

[@zvenarschficker6663]

@@josephhardwicke6344 the NHS is a globalist conspiracy to bring Communimismz to America.

[@scipio10000]

Charlie Hebdo was run by anarchists and at the funeral of one of them they sang "Bella Ciao". ✊

[@AnimeGIFfy]

vaush gets banned on twitch again arc

[@whatsagoodusername823]

אחד לאלגוריתם

[@Auguste86]

dont be the next Bill Maher

[@-xphobia]

The Taliban wear gold lmao.

[@Blackwidow391]

the trans one is so weird to me a a kaballist jew because trans identity is talked about in the kabbalah and its basically explained by god saying whoops put the wrong soul in the wrong body.

[@-xphobia]

Let's just forget this is all my beautiful country, America's fault. This is what Osama wanted. I think Vaush is underplaying the Sharia law thing lol. Them wanting an official system of additional punishments is scary. Also my ex fiance is Danish and right around the time all of this fear mongering started, 3 Muslim men SA'd her in an alley beside a club in Sweden. There is definately a cultural integration problem that is becoming irreconcilable. We need to figure it out. In Europe this is a huge problem that leftists need to start formulating ways of social integration so that the right arent the only ones speaking.