David Seymour & Moana clash on the treaty referendum

David Seymour is a man on a mission. He’s determined that his controversial Tiriti referendum is on the negotiating table despite Mr Luxon describing it as divisive. David is delighted the the Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islander Voice to the Australian Parliament failed.

[@89hatters]

And cue the ignorant and racist comments in 5, 4, 3, ..........

[@Roflcrabs]

Can't we all just get along?

[@ACE1932DIECAST]

He must mean that lady she a bigot

[@annekevandenberg1635]

How can real practical solutions for everyone be racist?

[@andrewworth7574]

The "racist" comments that say people should all be treated the same, that race is irrelevant? That sort of "racist" comment?

[@Colin_Izer1111]

I'm not ashamed to have white skin or of my colonialist heritage. Is that 'racist' enough for you?

[@davidthomson692]

This is what you were voted in for David. Stand by your word

[@o900junior]

Unlikely as National don’t see it as productive but actually divisive…

[@zweed69]

@@o900junior yea but Nats and ACT are going to need uncle winnie to get in... 😂

[@user-xb8tc3tc8t]

I'm for a referendum, put this stuff to bed forever.

[@rogerparker4468]

He doesn't speak he mutt whistles

[@3Kiwiana]

David has a lot of hard work ahead, the nats are likely to sit on their laurels instead of very important work for change, there are a million things that labour has done that need to be undone, what a job.

[@hardworkingtaxpayer]

Wow. Imagine a person wanting universal equal rights for all people and not placing labels on us. The UN is full of crap

[@chrismacfarlane]

Go David - ! We are equal , 1 rule for all.

[@questor55]

I did love his casual dismissal of the UN. I'm hoping more politicians will have the balls to call that out.

[@rogerparker4468]

​@@chrismacfarlanews rules eh

[@emilydavidson4225]

He wants equal rights for all people as long as they are just like him ugh

[@rogerparker4468]

@@emilydavidson4225 or fill his pockets, give him plane rides, massage his little pen...ego

[@Jen-oq1bq]

Great interview - Moana was composed and respectful. And David spoke well about his parties position! I hope we can move forward like this as a country

[@davout71]

Good conversation. I would like to see a longer one.

[@iankinnell5643]

We should pull out of the UN

[@Colin_Izer1111]

Wish the UN would pull out of us.. stop shafting us.

[@tonycameron5596]

Then you had better wear a MAGA hat and go live in the US

[@Colin_Izer1111]

@@tonycameron5596 Not a chance! I got my work cut out for me right here, at home, taking this country back & making New Zealand great again!

[@dallasfrost1996]

@@Colin_Izer1111 Make New Zealand Great Again!

[@r1z0sx6]

​@@dallasfrost1996 zealand or old zealand weren'tt great also ?!! Where are these places in the world maybe they are a better places to live? as one! new zealand seems to be to bi cultural under te tirity o waitangi M A G A MAKE AOTEAROA GREAT AGAIN

[@rickybach1312]

Everyones rights must be equal.

[@roderick167]

According to the pin comment, this is racist

[@rogerparker4468]

Not to worry,.you and your trumpian ilk will be irrelevant within a generation.

[@harkess1]

Unfortunately, in our society we are NOT yet all equal in my view because poor people and indigenous peoples are over-represented in negative measures of human existence. In my view equality will only happen when poor people and indigenous peoples are NOT over-represented in negative measures of human existence

[@89hatters]

@@roderick167 no, I didn't say that. I said the expected replies would be ignorant and racist . I wasn't wrong.

[@mooselee902]

But we arent equal, maori are the owners of the country. The colonizers are the sons of the thieves, and dont deserve equal status.

[@chrisblockley5783]

One country - one people. Like it or not it's the only way this country will work. No special treatment, no separate laws.

[@andrewworth7574]

@autumnrainn "don't see race" is a strawman claim, no one claims they're blind to race, they just recognize that race should be irrelevant.

[@El-Pollo-Loco]

​@@autumnrainnnobody's saying there is no place for ethnicity in new zealand. Nz is a melting pot of different ethnicities and cultures, not just Maori and pakeha and making policies and laws based around race under the guise of fighting systemic racism is making systems that literally create segregation by race. as members of this country we should be equally entitled to same opportunities and basic human rights regardless of race and should have equal responsibilities as tax payers and members of this society we live in

[@andrewworth7574]

@autumnrainn there have been societies that decided race was an important part of who people are and how they should be treated, most notably in Germany between 1933 and 1945. Do you think the laws in Britain should give legal privileges to native British over immigrants and their descendants from the rest of the world? Or should all citizens in Britain have exactly the same legal rights?

[@serenasmith26]

Why are Maori so obsessed with Race, it's all they talk about, how about taking responsibility and stop expecting everything to drop into your lap from the UN or the Government?! @@autumnrainn

[@barneyboy2008]

But Maori have special guaranteed rights under the treaty beyond normal property rights. That's the problem trying to put English definitions on Maori words and reason the courts have come to define the treaty as a partnership, because the 2 versions aren't possible to reconcile.

[@jimbojonesporfavor]

Keep these interviews ongoing please

[@HaapaiTeUrioHau]

About time we all need to be one people instead of separating ourselves.

[@stephenscales4799]

Good on you David

[@g-mech1244]

First winston, and now david showing her up. She just doesn't get it.

[@zweed69]

@@autumnrainn indigenous 😂 I can just picture you in real life... tapping away at your (white man made it) keyboard like a psychopath dreaming of Wakanda 😆 noice one

[@stevepang378]

We want everyone to move forward, not held back. Putting labels on people or privileges are gross because one particular group of people will feel they don't have to try too hard. As they often say, in bad comes good. Do the same with rugby, the end results will certainly not be what you wanted.

[@tripytaka9462]

That was a fine discussion. One I would expect level headed adults to have. There were obviously differences of opinion and each had preferred topics. At least they let each other speak with shouting over each other. There may be hope for us yet.

[@will-i-am1605]

My understanding is, that part of 'Titiriti" means a continuance to future generational settlements of all forms! I think originally, settlements were meant to be settled by the year 2000! Let us sort this out once and for all, yes "All"! Maybe the sooner the better, as a Republic, there would be no meaningful document with the crown! We need to acknowledge the Treaty for sure and not Monetize it forever!

[@brendaneastwood9720]

David Seymore is the only guy in wellington with any logic nowadays

[@itsjustweard2328]

The treaty was set up for Maori so they could have equal rights Not different rights. When you have two people's living in the same land but they have different rules and rights that's when you get conflict. We are all indigenous to this country

[@i_smoke_ghosts]

thank you both !

[@craybro]

Great interview, challenging but respectful

[@WoodInMotion]

Great chat between these two as always. Much respect.

[@deanpendigrast7255]

Good on u David fantastic answer back

[@ducker09]

As a maori , please dont give up . We hard working maori need you as much as all others . Thank you. 😮

[@samwalker699]

Love this David , great take on the voice ref .

[@tarbucky6536]

Most enjoyable, Great to see and hear an interview instead of the interviewer insinuating themselves as the main story and trying to get the 'gotcha' moment.

[@lynnebarclay3463]

Good respectful discussion.

[@billdennis3681]

This country is New Zealand, and we are all Kiwi or New Zealand's.

[@user-te3jc3sl7r]

The Voice referendum has proven that it was only a small group of indigenous academics living in urban areas who supported the YES vote. Same in NZ a small group of Maori academics wanting co-governance/ 3 waters ownership when the majority of Maori don't want it.

[@jackiebiggs7071]

And the majority of indigenous Australians voted no. They could see it was a grift for the laptop class and like the previous 30 yrs has done very little to address and solve things like the horrific domestic violence and sexual abuse of children.

[@manuhamoa]

Yes no change in Aussie. People voted to preserve the status quo. Nothing will change.

[@Enzedwriter]

Actually indigenous Australians voted a resounding yes. The polling statistics were released today. Don't hurt make statements as if they are fact.

[@jackohere1878]

@@Enzedwriter Yea these fake posts are incredible but god there are a lot of them.

[@andrewworth7574]

​@jackohere1878 I mostly agree with Enzedwriter, looks like 70%+ of aboriginal Australians voted yes. That's irrelevant to New Zealand, where we have the treaty of Waitangi, which says Maori and Pakeha are people as equal citizens with identical rights and responsibilities.

[@zweed69]

@@andrewworth7574 the real problem with those stats is that theres no means by which to prove you are 'indigenous australian' as reported by several news outlets prior to this referendum, so conclusion of who is aboriginal is very difficult. I thought Anthony Mundine (actual aboriginal) summed it up best when he said he would be voting no and encouraged all his family to do so.....

[@davethewave7248]

What exactly is the referendum supposed to be? Is it a referendum on the Treaty itself [that would be bizarre], or a referendum on the Waitangi Tribunal... that has interpreted Treaty 'principles' a certain way [this would perhaps begin to make sense]?

[@rippedup1931]

He’s been very clear on this. Not about the treaty. It’s about all sharing a common interpretation.

[@throughput6674]

And to think, they actually let you vote.....* shakes head

[@andrewworth7574]

@autumnrainn there's no significant difference in meaning between the Maori and English versions of the treaty, and there were Maori acting as translators to remove any ambiguity between the two versions. Go read the treaty, Maori accepted the sovereignty of the crown over these islands in exchange, Maori gain full English citizenship with the same rights and responsibilities as the rest of us. There was no agreement of a "partnership" between Maori and Pakeha, claims otherwise are lies.

[@andrewworth7574]

I'd like to see the treaty reprinted in the referendum, then the Labour/Greens version as to how they interpret it, the Act/National interpretation, and then people get to vote on whether Labour/Greens or Act/National have got the interpretation of the treaty correct.

[@davethewave7248]

@@rippedup1931 In the media, all people hear is a referendum on the Treaty, i.e.; a vote for or against. What people need to hear then is a clear message of what the referendum would be. Are you saying it would be a referendum about whether or not we should all share a common interpretation of the Treaty? See what i mean. It's just messy. Better to say we should have a review or commission.

[@jamesblewman]

How about a referendum on Maori seats too.

[@aidanmorgan4630]

Why? Auckland has seats just for Auckland why can't Maori have seats just for Maori?

[@manuhamoa]

I see Trumpism is rising in NZ, how sad!!

[@Bigball_Bill]

@@aidanmorgan4630 because defining seats by race is institutional prejudice and continues to cycle racism in NZ.

[@dansmith2863]

Maybe a seat should depend on how Maori the person is, if its a half cast they get half a seat or like this lady who looks 1/10th special gets 1/10th of a seat.

[@shauntempley9757]

That is called apartheid mate, on the worse road to slavery, since it would allow all of that.@@dansmith2863

[@richardansell1895]

No Maori David. The people are sick of having the stuff rammed down our throats. It is everywhere and once it was a novelty now I see it as a tool of control.

[@Colin_Izer1111]

Cultural Marxism in action.

[@maxtugger1859]

Together you stand divided you fall. One Nation, all equal.

[@DavidGabrielCarter]

Moana looks like Cher lol

[@Kereru]

Someone should explain to Herr Seymour that nullifying our founding document isn't how you fix roads.

[@Damon242]

Roads connect people and bring opportunity, an acknowledgement by the UN contributes nothing to isolated communities

[@Kereru]

@Damon242 Sorry buddy but nullifying the treaty won't fix the roads. Comparing roads to the Treaty is like saying "brushing your teeth is very important....and that's why we need to ban shampoo!". Like, why? What does shampoo have to do with brushing your teeth? Can you not brush your teeth AND keep your hair clean? Why are you comparing two totally unrelated things? Why do you act like we can only have one or the other? Is ACT so useless they can't manage both?

[@mrmyers91]

Well answered David. Moana is on repeat for every interview.

[@bazjones5282]

One of the very worst interviewers the country has to offer. Always emotionally charged and does very little to no homework on the topic.

[@helenlizzystewart4908]

exactly and it is never positive @@bazjones5282

[@toast47624]

I didn't vote for you but well done! You swatted away that nonsense nicely.

[@eugenerewi9076]

Deceleration can't avoid that . Stupid of you because you don't understand

[@Fraaank41]

I voted for him. My "special vote" (I'm not a special person) is yet to be counted. Hopefully another seat for ACT

[@3Kiwiana]

Well if you like Nz you should have voted for him.

[@toast47624]

@@3Kiwiana I do like NZ but I hate the global agenda. David likes the global agenda. Winston does not!

[@3Kiwiana]

@@toast47624 garbage where did you get that from..?

[@Wairoa4ever]

Well said David

[@Wairoa4ever]

I can't wait until Winston takes her down, and her racist mentality

[@dallasfrost1996]

Winston already has.

[@JH-kd6hs]

Or another one who doesn't grant special status to 'whoever got here first'. Who gives a flying F who got here first - I sure don't @@autumnrainn

[@JH-kd6hs]

Sorry, wasn't born in Britain. I'm 100% Kiwi. Indigenous you say? So when do you propose we return New Zealand to the Moriori? It belongs to them right? Can't see how it would belong to the 'second' group to arrive? Why not the third?? Oh, how exciting, I think that's me!! As I said, couldn't give a ^*& who arrived when - its a nonsense argument made by grifters@@autumnrainn

[@Moonchild-r2d2]

@@autumnrainnno they aren’t weakling

[@helenlizzystewart4908]

well it sure was not the Maori who were here first@@JH-kd6hs

[@libgapper9761]

Wow davids a smart man thats actual speaks what matters

[@Tesla_Motors]

Moana presents a balanced interview, putting people up against the wall without taking them by the scruff of the neck. I support ACT's stance. Unfortunately the narrative is controlled by those most offended.

[@honeyholly001]

I love what David said about practical solutions. I have three maori children with probably a higher percentage maori blood than many of these flash maoris (yes thats what they at the marae call the woke ones). But I dont think they need special treatment because their canoe arrived here before mine. Actually at the time of the treaty, their chief encouraged inter racial marrying so we could become one people. So I feel based on what ive been told from that era that the intention was to move forward as one people. I think the leaders then would be disappointed to see this far down the line a separatist view being pushed.

[@jackohere1878]

@@autumnrainn Either that or likely just a troll making things up.

[@davethewave7248]

Yep, it should be all about what the Treaty meant to them back in the day... but sadly it's been turned into what the Treaty means to us [based on our own modern preoccupations].

[@andrewworth7574]

@@autumnrainn it's noticeable that you offer nothing but insults, with no evidence to support your position.

[@TOKObee]

Yeah right, what real father calls their children "Maori Children". Did you adopt them or something?

[@JH-kd6hs]

The history of the planet@@autumnrainn

[@winwalker8248]

Practical outcome at last.

[@markharvey9772]

Equality is where it is at. Like David said no one was born more special than anyone else, basing it on race is a barbaric and ancient way of thinking.

[@blacksandnz]

pity about a long history of 'one size fits all', that in reality discriminated against maori.

[@andrewchambers8097]

@@blacksandnzThen how about change the 'one size fits all' part without making one race special compared to the many others.

[@gnieob777]

The only racist in the room was the interviewer.

[@heathero007]

Well said David. All equal. No specials

[@cpb5128]

Well that didn’t work out for her did it.

[@rosselliot8971]

In a heavy dose of irony, Moana speaks like a big bloke from Mataura.

[@patrickhauraki8713]

Who that bro

[@fu8713]

Aka your moms

[@patrickhauraki8713]

haha hurt ur feelings boi

[@EpicTyme]

Didn't Martin Luther King say "All men are created equal"? sorry for my racist comment.

[@franklove9117]

get it sorted out David

[@danielharding7445]

"Sorry, gotta run"? That was rude.

[@Colin_Izer1111]

When we have an electoral commission enquiring if potential election staffers are on board with "the principles of Titiriti" and rejecting the candidates that aren't.....Yeh you may need to clean house there first, before you think of having any referendum.

[@user-dv6rr5ld4m]

Whatever pro Maori is the only and legit treaty that matters is the one signed by both Parties in 1840 without any recent interpretation. So leave it alone or are some wanting to try and interpret the treaty to suit non Maori.

[@yeahdefinitely6607]

So many ignorant commenters here. The Treaty guaranteed to Māori rights to their land, forestry, fisheries, and valued possessions, as well as equal rights as British subjects. Except Māori were not treated equally when their lands were confiscated or otherwise dispossessed militarily, legislatively and judicially. Now these commenters are claiming that they’re being treated unequally when the opposite has been true. We’re in for a fun ride - I can only hope that it’s an informed one.

[@StGammon77]

Their meaning what they own, not what they sold

[@matt7244]

Well said David. Equal rights for all.

[@Rotavegas1]

but is it?

[@CMP-st5wh]

@Rotavegas1 yep.

[@Damon242]

The proposed addendum is as follows: - All citizens of New Zealand have the same political rights and duties - All political authority comes from the people by democratic means including universal suffrage, regular and free elections with a secret ballot - New Zealand is a multi-ethnic liberal democracy where discrimination based on ethnicity is illegal What element of the addendum do you disagree with?

[@andrewoh1663]

Seymour ate her alive

[@neilstuarr2278]

The article of indigenous rights has an addenda which quite conveniently none of the maori are quoting . Something to do with increasing division. Go check it out .

[@diyguru9677]

Anyone wanting to renegotiate te tiriti o Waitangi in 2023 would have to be a mug. Have you seen the price of land in Aotearoa?

[@throughput6674]

if that what you took form this you must be seriously obtuse.

[@robf1862]

where is atearoa?

[@diyguru9677]

@@robf1862 Don't know, I've never heard of atearoa.

[@ryry854]

@@diyguru9677 I haven't heard of atearoa either, and anyone not knowing where Aotearoa is these days just shows themselves up as an ignoramus.

[@stephenlennon7369]

​@@ryry854pakeha racism on display again

[@davethewave7248]

Declaration of human rights derives from modern [French] philosophy [natural rights]. Earlier British thought saw a 'state of nature' without rights [solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short]. Historically, from the Brits perspective, rights only came with lawa nd order, which came with the establishing sovereignty ergo the Treaty. Of course, it is all political now, but the reality back then was that sovereignty was established over NZ with the *declaration* in May 1840. The signing of the Treaty in Feb 1840 was to appease the humanitarians back in London... and was really just the nominal cession of sovereignty. But of course, this is history not politics.

[@aidanmorgan4630]

Bro do you actually think Maori had no legal framework before Europeans?

[@mr2981]

@@aidanmorgan4630 By "legal framework" you mean did they have customs? Certainly. If by "legal framework" you mean legal framework, then ha.

[@ufconlyfamz69]

that was so well said, i have to do a question on the TOW in an upcoming exam, i want to use this. What do you think of the principles of the treaty?

[@shauntempley9757]

Except the British acknowledges the United Tribal Declaration signing of 1835, in accordance with official practice at that time to make it official. Both the Monarch and the House Of Commons recognised its existence. Which means those rights were handed over with that Declaration, and were preserved in Article 2 of the Treaty. It is the existence of both documents is why the Waitangi Tribunal stated what it did. It is right when it said Maori never gave up sovereignty as a people with their beliefs and culture and language, and food sources. They just gave up sole sovereignty as a nation, instead sharing that authority with the Monarch. Which puts todays Iwi leaders that meet at the Iwi Forum at the Monarchs level internationally, while Iwi as a individual entity is at the Parliaments level nationally, the regional councils regionally, and the councils level locally, and Maori individual persons are equal to the Scottish clans in Scotland, the Welsh in Wales, and the English in Great Britain. In those nations, those people have first say on matters before everyone else. It is the same with Maori. Our say comes first, then everyone else has theirs. The main risk, is if David does this referendum without clear limits, he risks turning full political control over to Iwi, and the complete and permanent dissolving of Parliament. It has been made very clear in Muldoon's time, that the Treaty is how Parliament has the authority to make decisions here. If the Treaty is ended, Parliament is ended, and power goes back to Iwi permanently. He is risking even worse problems that Brexit caused, where we very easily end up like Israel and Gaza are right now.

[@mr2981]

Ah yes, you know you're on sound moral footing with veiled threats of violence, "like Israel and Gaza".

[@sash9249]

Yeah better roads are going to help Māori stop dying faster than non Māori, keep them out of poverty and turning to crime. Well done, David. You've solved it! This whole time we just needed to fill all the potholes in the country! Wow! 😂

[@derrickwilkie5611]

Well your shit left wing Government thats crashed & burned has added to the broken roads child poverty & so on

[@timtan2023hiyffg]

Not everything is about maori things mate. Everything should equal in a democratic country. Sure let's get better outcomes for maori but I dont agree with different rules based on your race

[@andrewworth7574]

You're right, what's actually needed to increase Maori life expectancy is for Maori to take responsibility for their own health more seriously. Fixing roads isn't really the issue when it comes to health. Personal responsibility is what makes the difference.

[@throughput6674]

I think the point went straight over your head. Perhaps you leave the politics to the grown ups?

[@OnlySleepWalking]

Building infrastructure in low income areas creates jobs, lifting families out of poverty. Seems like a good step forward to me.

[@nathanbombardo]

Great work from David here. Look foward to where his government will take us.

[@dansmith2863]

Who is that lady, she looks 1/10th special so maybe she should get 1/10th special treatment. Or none at all.

[@Wei55_und-stolz]

We don’t need to be a part of the UN! As David said “what has the UN done for us?”

[@denyswoodroffe490]

Some people don’t wish for the truth to be exposed. We have been feed lies by the privileged for a long time. We need to know the truth, and all share in the future of NEW ZEALAND, the true name of NEW ZEALAND

[@teweraboy]

What I like the best about these interviews.....both David Seymour and Chris Luxon are happy to discuss these topics openly and fairly

[@marklayland5424]

How can anyone ever be indigenous if everyone in New Zealand came fro somewhere else.

[@seancallaghan494]

Oh the confusion of what a government's role is in society

[@ACR7791]

Completely agree with Seymour.

[@markjacobs2803]

Thank you David.

[@ryanryan3822]

It’s ok to see things differently and have different opinions. But please keep up the conversation for the betterment of the country.

[@MsHburnett]

Universal rights for nz .

[@michaeledgar6118]

The interviewer makes her bias so evident, and he knocks her for six

[@raewynsharp9463]

The UN is a voice for indigenous people then that would mean Iceland, Sweden, Poland etc etc etc.

[@nzkid2599]

Moana does better than most reporters in NZ media

[@Battleneter]

If you mean pushing racist sepratist views then sure.

[@nzkid2599]

@@Battleneterno she doesnt

[@Battleneter]

@@nzkid2599 In interview after interview she refused to answer question like "do you believe all Kwis should have equal rights regardless of skin colour or ethnicity. If someone cannot immediately answer yes to that kind of question you know they are a racist.

[@anthonymorgan6255]

Special place? Also known as "ubermensch".

[@adsdft585]

Kate Shepherd did not go to a charter school.

[@samgraham8430]

Well said David. Whether in govt or opposition your pragmatism is always a valued and necessary counterpoint to any debate.

[@ronaldneehao9723]

Increase jail sentence s immediately

[@worknehfollow6688]

Oath Seymour

[@Thehomiebrucelee]

I just wana roll this fala

[@scotteastwood1764]

Treaty between 2 distinct groups ,signed after due diligence ,are legal and binding. Referendum combining both groups ,can arbitrate,renegotiate,but not revoke that treaty .

[@Damon242]

The principles wouldn’t attach to the treaty but sit alongside it, effectively blocking any current or future interpretation that would infringe upon the following: - All citizens of New Zealand have the same political rights and duties - All political authority comes from the people by democratic means including universal suffrage, regular and free elections with a secret ballot - New Zealand is a multi-ethnic liberal democracy where discrimination based on ethnicity is illegal

[@donpaterson4938]

so what has the united nations ever done can any one give me one positive outcome

[@tenuiguy]

About the same as any government has done for our roads.

[@throughput6674]

The UN gave the world the International declaration of Human Rights. which your Government subverted with a bait and switch to the Bill of Right ACT 1990. Have you ever even read the UN International declaration of Human Rights?

[@speeddemon9555]

Maori are NOT indigenous !! this woman is racist not David !!

[@sijoyalex1]

My next vote is for you David... Keep going❤

[@LimitNZ]

Yeah nah you can have better roads while respecting the rights of Maori or any indigenous rights. The fact he said we shouldn't respect indigenous rights was pretty blatant. Sorry, but you don't get to have a colonised country and then try to wipe out from the law who was colonised.

[@mr2981]

That's not what he said, the point is they aren't 'special' and so their rights aren't different from anyone else's.

[@davidfentonhancock6646]

Good. Let's get on with it now. One people, Kiwi's, New Zealanders whatever.......

[@adsdft585]

Mike Moore grew up in a poor Northland town. Left school at 14. Did well! No need for charter schools. Just improve school principals.

[@jaredtaylor8495]

David’s the man. 100 percent correct

[@dianewright702]

OMG HE IS GOING TO KILL TO TREATY AND MAORI

[@StGammon77]

Treaty is a relic

[@TheBeaker59]

Moana showing her ignorance of universal peoples rights again.

[@Colin_Izer1111]

Orwell did warn... "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"

[@paywize]

Showing respect for all is not hateful. We are all equal in New Zealand. No special rights for any group of people, no matter where they came from and that includes you.

[@paywize]

@@autumnrainn We are all indigenous. don't you get it. Being Indigenous doesn't mean having special rights. Are you special?

[@andrewworth7574]

@@autumnrainn we are all colonists, some just arrived earlier than others.

[@andrewworth7574]

@@autumnrainn what indigenous rights are protected in the treaty? Property, taonga, and what else?

[@smooth1nz]

She got owned

[@andrewmann3787]

Become a republic The treatys with the crown no crown no treaty Then we came all move on as equal people of Newzealand

[@questor55]

Enough people would want the name changed to Aotearoa that we would have a bloody civil war over it. But sure, peace after whoever wins that battle and can keep the insurgents down.

[@therearenogods3716]

She just wouldn't let it go ay, had to keep on with the racist divisive rhetoric. Some people do not want a unified New Zealand at all cost, I wonder why???

[@davethewave7248]

Ahhhhh... would probably make some more sense to talk about *education* as opposed to just roads roads roads... as a practical outcome for all?? I think David could express himself a bit better here.^^

[@mattie9481]

You didn’t get it aye. Even when he explained it. Must’ve voted Labour.

[@UnkleSi]

Moana making racist statements that certain people have 'special rights' and then a using seymour of being a racist... Ironic.

[@annkebbell3770]

Well done David.

[@user-yy4uz4fg6s]

David Seymour even with his Maori blood in him he's ignorant and to say he wants a referendum to be changed to update it and bring into this day of thinking i don't think he has any respect for the original people who signed it like he thinks lets have a lot of changes to make this country are a better place his mannerism is a turn off a nerd in the class the clever boy i say this as he does have many good ideas but ...the way he is move things lets get on with it he really got to think of the bigger picture the damage he's going to create by pushing his smart alec views in parliament and does he think New Zealand ? people going to listen ??

[@vickiemorgan8581]

Indigenous rights what nonsense every one in New Zealand has the same rights.its a big lie that they dont.

[@jennynelson-smith3899]

to relegate indigenous rights to qualify roading infrastructure is a hangover from the slave trade mentality. it is an indicator of this persons abilities, experience, and congnisant knowledge.

[@tonym2464]

The greater the political representation of a group of people, the poorer their socioeconomic outcomes tend to be.

[@dawnezone8491]

If that were true then more non-maori would be in dire straits...but as has been evident for well over a century, maori and pasifika people still have poorer economic outcomes. Do you even know what you said?

[@tonym2464]

​@@dawnezone8491 Maori and Pacific Islander communities hold significant political representation in New Zealand, yet unfortunately experience considerable socioeconomic disparities. Conversely, Chinese, Indian and Jewish minorities, despite limited political representation, demonstrate superior socioeconomic outcomes compared to various other groups. This observation is well-established and corroborated by economists, forming a longstanding principle recognised within the field.

[@dawnezone8491]

I wouldnt call a few seats significant, its certainly not a majority@@tonym2464

[@shauntempley9757]

Those groups have the support of the settler population. They would give freedom to the Trans community or aliens that arrived here before doing the same to Maori, just like they gave the terminally ill the freedom to choose. Those groups do not have people in key positions totally undercutting them using policies meant to dominate a specific people. Or have you forgotten Tama Iti's people getting dawn raided 19 years ago, on a lie peddled by the right in this country as an expression of that, and committed by the left? After the 1970's dawn raids on Samoan people, that were NZ citizens, by the very party that is now in power? And after the burning out by the army of Maori homes on Bastion Point, Maori owned land, in the 1950's because foreign rich people wanted it to build on for the view? Israel was doing that to Gazans barely 2 weeks ago!! Shame on you trying to justify a new confiscation about to be committed, because the majority want to be tyrannical, instead of having the guts to go to a freaking Marae and ask those people what co-governance means for them, instead of doing the bullshit, ignorant, stereotypical, political correctness approach to this issue, and be a threat to their what remains of the Maori way of life. And the only real reason, is everyone else around the globe is insane, so we should be too. You will not like it when Maori language, culture and art die out, and we become a boring copy of Australia, now would you? They already want us to be another of the penal clan.@@tonym2464