David Seymour & Moana clash on the treaty referendum

[@89hatters]

And cue the ignorant and racist comments in 5, 4, 3, ..........

[@Roflcrabs]

Can't we all just get along?

[@ACE1932DIECAST]

He must mean that lady she a bigot

[@annekevandenberg1635]

How can real practical solutions for everyone be racist?

[@andrewworth7574]

The "racist" comments that say people should all be treated the same, that race is irrelevant? That sort of "racist" comment?

[@Colin_Izer1111]

I'm not ashamed to have white skin or of my colonialist heritage. Is that 'racist' enough for you?

[@hardworkingtaxpayer]

Wow. Imagine a person wanting universal equal rights for all people and not placing labels on us. The UN is full of crap

[@chrismacfarlane]

Go David - ! We are equal , 1 rule for all.

[@questor55]

I did love his casual dismissal of the UN. I'm hoping more politicians will have the balls to call that out.

[@rogerparker4468]

​@@chrismacfarlanews rules eh

[@emilydavidson4225]

He wants equal rights for all people as long as they are just like him ugh

[@rogerparker4468]

@@emilydavidson4225 or fill his pockets, give him plane rides, massage his little pen...ego

[@davidthomson692]

This is what you were voted in for David. Stand by your word

[@o900junior]

Unlikely as National don’t see it as productive but actually divisive…

[@zweed69]

@@o900junior yea but Nats and ACT are going to need uncle winnie to get in... 😂

[@DerekReeve-q4v]

I'm for a referendum, put this stuff to bed forever.

[@rogerparker4468]

He doesn't speak he mutt whistles

[@3Kiwiana]

David has a lot of hard work ahead, the nats are likely to sit on their laurels instead of very important work for change, there are a million things that labour has done that need to be undone, what a job.

[@chrisblockley5783]

One country - one people. Like it or not it's the only way this country will work. No special treatment, no separate laws.

[@andrewworth7574]

@autumnrainn "don't see race" is a strawman claim, no one claims they're blind to race, they just recognize that race should be irrelevant.

[@El-Pollo-Loco]

​@@autumnrainnnobody's saying there is no place for ethnicity in new zealand. Nz is a melting pot of different ethnicities and cultures, not just Maori and pakeha and making policies and laws based around race under the guise of fighting systemic racism is making systems that literally create segregation by race. as members of this country we should be equally entitled to same opportunities and basic human rights regardless of race and should have equal responsibilities as tax payers and members of this society we live in

[@andrewworth7574]

@autumnrainn there have been societies that decided race was an important part of who people are and how they should be treated, most notably in Germany between 1933 and 1945. Do you think the laws in Britain should give legal privileges to native British over immigrants and their descendants from the rest of the world? Or should all citizens in Britain have exactly the same legal rights?

[@serenasmith26]

Why are Maori so obsessed with Race, it's all they talk about, how about taking responsibility and stop expecting everything to drop into your lap from the UN or the Government?! @@autumnrainn

[@barneyboy2008]

But Maori have special guaranteed rights under the treaty beyond normal property rights. That's the problem trying to put English definitions on Maori words and reason the courts have come to define the treaty as a partnership, because the 2 versions aren't possible to reconcile.

[@Jen-oq1bq]

Great interview - Moana was composed and respectful. And David spoke well about his parties position! I hope we can move forward like this as a country

[@itsjustweard2328]

The treaty was set up for Maori so they could have equal rights Not different rights. When you have two people's living in the same land but they have different rules and rights that's when you get conflict. We are all indigenous to this country

[@g-mech1244]

First winston, and now david showing her up. She just doesn't get it.

[@zweed69]

@@autumnrainn indigenous 😂 I can just picture you in real life... tapping away at your (white man made it) keyboard like a psychopath dreaming of Wakanda 😆 noice one

[@brendaneastwood9720]

David Seymore is the only guy in wellington with any logic nowadays

[@iankinnell5643]

We should pull out of the UN

[@Colin_Izer1111]

Wish the UN would pull out of us.. stop shafting us.

[@tonycameron5596]

Then you had better wear a MAGA hat and go live in the US

[@Colin_Izer1111]

@@tonycameron5596 Not a chance! I got my work cut out for me right here, at home, taking this country back & making New Zealand great again!

[@dallasfrost1996]

@@Colin_Izer1111 Make New Zealand Great Again!

[@r1z0sx6]

​@@dallasfrost1996 zealand or old zealand weren'tt great also ?!! Where are these places in the world maybe they are a better places to live? as one! new zealand seems to be to bi cultural under te tirity o waitangi M A G A MAKE AOTEAROA GREAT AGAIN

[@jackiebiggs7071]

And the majority of indigenous Australians voted no. They could see it was a grift for the laptop class and like the previous 30 yrs has done very little to address and solve things like the horrific domestic violence and sexual abuse of children.

[@manuhamoa]

Yes no change in Aussie. People voted to preserve the status quo. Nothing will change.

[@Enzedwriter]

Actually indigenous Australians voted a resounding yes. The polling statistics were released today. Don't hurt make statements as if they are fact.

[@jackohere1878]

@@Enzedwriter Yea these fake posts are incredible but god there are a lot of them.

[@andrewworth7574]

​@jackohere1878 I mostly agree with Enzedwriter, looks like 70%+ of aboriginal Australians voted yes. That's irrelevant to New Zealand, where we have the treaty of Waitangi, which says Maori and Pakeha are people as equal citizens with identical rights and responsibilities.

[@zweed69]

@@andrewworth7574 the real problem with those stats is that theres no means by which to prove you are 'indigenous australian' as reported by several news outlets prior to this referendum, so conclusion of who is aboriginal is very difficult. I thought Anthony Mundine (actual aboriginal) summed it up best when he said he would be voting no and encouraged all his family to do so.....

[@ducker09]

As a maori , please dont give up . We hard working maori need you as much as all others . Thank you. 😮

[@honeyholly001]

I love what David said about practical solutions. I have three maori children with probably a higher percentage maori blood than many of these flash maoris (yes thats what they at the marae call the woke ones). But I dont think they need special treatment because their canoe arrived here before mine. Actually at the time of the treaty, their chief encouraged inter racial marrying so we could become one people. So I feel based on what ive been told from that era that the intention was to move forward as one people. I think the leaders then would be disappointed to see this far down the line a separatist view being pushed.

[@jackohere1878]

@@autumnrainn Either that or likely just a troll making things up.

[@davethewave7248]

Yep, it should be all about what the Treaty meant to them back in the day... but sadly it's been turned into what the Treaty means to us [based on our own modern preoccupations].

[@andrewworth7574]

@@autumnrainn it's noticeable that you offer nothing but insults, with no evidence to support your position.

[@TOKObee]

Yeah right, what real father calls their children "Maori Children". Did you adopt them or something?

[@JH-kd6hs]

The history of the planet@@autumnrainn

[@markharvey9772]

Equality is where it is at. Like David said no one was born more special than anyone else, basing it on race is a barbaric and ancient way of thinking.

[@blacksandnz]

pity about a long history of 'one size fits all', that in reality discriminated against maori.

[@andrewchambers8097]

@@blacksandnzThen how about change the 'one size fits all' part without making one race special compared to the many others.

[@toast47624]

I didn't vote for you but well done! You swatted away that nonsense nicely.

[@eugenerewi9076]

Deceleration can't avoid that . Stupid of you because you don't understand

[@Fraaank41]

I voted for him. My "special vote" (I'm not a special person) is yet to be counted. Hopefully another seat for ACT

[@3Kiwiana]

Well if you like Nz you should have voted for him.

[@toast47624]

@@3Kiwiana I do like NZ but I hate the global agenda. David likes the global agenda. Winston does not!

[@3Kiwiana]

@@toast47624 garbage where did you get that from..?

[@davout71]

Good conversation. I would like to see a longer one.

[@mrmyers91]

Well answered David. Moana is on repeat for every interview.

[@bazjones5282]

One of the very worst interviewers the country has to offer. Always emotionally charged and does very little to no homework on the topic.

[@helenlizzystewart4908]

exactly and it is never positive @@bazjones5282

[@yeahdefinitely6607]

So many ignorant commenters here. The Treaty guaranteed to Māori rights to their land, forestry, fisheries, and valued possessions, as well as equal rights as British subjects. Except Māori were not treated equally when their lands were confiscated or otherwise dispossessed militarily, legislatively and judicially. Now these commenters are claiming that they’re being treated unequally when the opposite has been true. We’re in for a fun ride - I can only hope that it’s an informed one.

[@StGammon77]

Their meaning what they own, not what they sold

[@KatharineShaw-z8u]

The Voice referendum has proven that it was only a small group of indigenous academics living in urban areas who supported the YES vote. Same in NZ a small group of Maori academics wanting co-governance/ 3 waters ownership when the majority of Maori don't want it.

[@Tesla_Motors]

Moana presents a balanced interview, putting people up against the wall without taking them by the scruff of the neck. I support ACT's stance. Unfortunately the narrative is controlled by those most offended.

[@blusheen378]

We want everyone to move forward, not held back. Putting labels on people or privileges are gross because one particular group of people will feel they don't have to try too hard. As they often say, in bad comes good. Do the same with rugby, the end results will certainly not be what you wanted.

[@Damon242]

The proposed addendum is as follows: - All citizens of New Zealand have the same political rights and duties - All political authority comes from the people by democratic means including universal suffrage, regular and free elections with a secret ballot - New Zealand is a multi-ethnic liberal democracy where discrimination based on ethnicity is illegal What element of the addendum do you disagree with?

[@will-i-am1605]

My understanding is, that part of 'Titiriti" means a continuance to future generational settlements of all forms! I think originally, settlements were meant to be settled by the year 2000! Let us sort this out once and for all, yes "All"! Maybe the sooner the better, as a Republic, there would be no meaningful document with the crown! We need to acknowledge the Treaty for sure and not Monetize it forever!

[@Wairoa4ever]

Well said David

[@HaapaiTeUrioHau]

About time we all need to be one people instead of separating ourselves.

[@jimbojonesporfavor]

Keep these interviews ongoing please

[@Kereru]

Someone should explain to Herr Seymour that nullifying our founding document isn't how you fix roads.

[@Damon242]

Roads connect people and bring opportunity, an acknowledgement by the UN contributes nothing to isolated communities

[@Kereru]

@Damon242 Sorry buddy but nullifying the treaty won't fix the roads. Comparing roads to the Treaty is like saying "brushing your teeth is very important....and that's why we need to ban shampoo!". Like, why? What does shampoo have to do with brushing your teeth? Can you not brush your teeth AND keep your hair clean? Why are you comparing two totally unrelated things? Why do you act like we can only have one or the other? Is ACT so useless they can't manage both?

[@GareWorks]

I don't agree with everything David Seymour stands for but he stands by his beliefs and that's why I voted for him. He's completely on-point here though.

[@pistolpetenaki]

Well done for voting for a white nationalist muppet

[@tripytaka9462]

That was a fine discussion. One I would expect level headed adults to have. There were obviously differences of opinion and each had preferred topics. At least they let each other speak with shouting over each other. There may be hope for us yet.

[@Wei55_und-stolz]

We don’t need to be a part of the UN! As David said “what has the UN done for us?”

[@nathanbombardo]

Great work from David here. Look foward to where his government will take us.

[@therearenogods3716]

She just wouldn't let it go ay, had to keep on with the racist divisive rhetoric. Some people do not want a unified New Zealand at all cost, I wonder why???

[@Wairoa4ever]

I can't wait until Winston takes her down, and her racist mentality

[@dallasfrost1996]

Winston already has.

[@JH-kd6hs]

Or another one who doesn't grant special status to 'whoever got here first'. Who gives a flying F who got here first - I sure don't @@autumnrainn

[@JH-kd6hs]

Sorry, wasn't born in Britain. I'm 100% Kiwi. Indigenous you say? So when do you propose we return New Zealand to the Moriori? It belongs to them right? Can't see how it would belong to the 'second' group to arrive? Why not the third?? Oh, how exciting, I think that's me!! As I said, couldn't give a ^*& who arrived when - its a nonsense argument made by grifters@@autumnrainn

[@Moonchild-r2d2]

@@autumnrainnno they aren’t weakling

[@helenlizzystewart4908]

well it sure was not the Maori who were here first@@JH-kd6hs

[@Carsnbikes73]

Well said David. Equal rights for all.

[@Rotavegas1]

but is it?

[@CMP-st5wh]

@Rotavegas1 yep.

[@maxtugger1859]

Together you stand divided you fall. One Nation, all equal.

[@richardansell1895]

No Maori David. The people are sick of having the stuff rammed down our throats. It is everywhere and once it was a novelty now I see it as a tool of control.

[@Colin_Izer1111]

Cultural Marxism in action.

[@denyswoodroffe490]

Some people don’t wish for the truth to be exposed. We have been feed lies by the privileged for a long time. We need to know the truth, and all share in the future of NEW ZEALAND, the true name of NEW ZEALAND

[@EpicTyme]

Didn't Martin Luther King say "All men are created equal"? sorry for my racist comment.

[@jamie_d___]

As a European , ex pat kiwi what I will say is , David is extremely respectful in the way he puts a political word spin on what a lot, and I can't say all, to be accurate , non indigenous New Zealanders really want and what he's getting at . True equality , we are all equal , no one is more or less important than another . What that looks like in real world terms is , no ethnic prioritizing for indigenous on health waiting lists , do it on time , or alphabetically , no reserved seats in the job market or university places for indigenous members of society , you win the place fairly with everyone else . Unless we get rid of those unfair conditions in society the jealousy and anger is always going to interfere with becoming a truly united country on equal footing and those are just the facts , it's human nature. There's a reason when Indigenous AND non Indigenous come to Australia they succeed exponentially , and they do succeed that's almost entirely a fact , running successful businesses , buying property , lovely cars , getting wealthy , and it's not just the different economy , it's that there's no social support here , so you have no choice but to take on an attitude of refusal to fail , and then abundance flows . We need equal footing in New Zealand so that a refusal to fail becomes necessary , then attitude becomes the determining factor , not race.

[@davethewave7248]

What exactly is the referendum supposed to be? Is it a referendum on the Treaty itself [that would be bizarre], or a referendum on the Waitangi Tribunal... that has interpreted Treaty 'principles' a certain way [this would perhaps begin to make sense]?

[@rippedup1931]

He’s been very clear on this. Not about the treaty. It’s about all sharing a common interpretation.

[@throughput6674]

And to think, they actually let you vote.....* shakes head

[@andrewworth7574]

@autumnrainn there's no significant difference in meaning between the Maori and English versions of the treaty, and there were Maori acting as translators to remove any ambiguity between the two versions. Go read the treaty, Maori accepted the sovereignty of the crown over these islands in exchange, Maori gain full English citizenship with the same rights and responsibilities as the rest of us. There was no agreement of a "partnership" between Maori and Pakeha, claims otherwise are lies.

[@andrewworth7574]

I'd like to see the treaty reprinted in the referendum, then the Labour/Greens version as to how they interpret it, the Act/National interpretation, and then people get to vote on whether Labour/Greens or Act/National have got the interpretation of the treaty correct.

[@davethewave7248]

@@rippedup1931 In the media, all people hear is a referendum on the Treaty, i.e.; a vote for or against. What people need to hear then is a clear message of what the referendum would be. Are you saying it would be a referendum about whether or not we should all share a common interpretation of the Treaty? See what i mean. It's just messy. Better to say we should have a review or commission.

[@speeddemon9555]

Maori are NOT indigenous !! this woman is racist not David !!

[@robintamihere4550]

Seymour supporters don't even know this country's history back to 1840. The Title CROWN in NZ is miss used and bandied around RECKLESSLY. THE title CROWN is being miss used when people use it in reference to the NZ CROWN. There is NO NZ CROWN, never was and never will be. Got it!!! CROWN refers to the British CROWN ONLY. The Te Tiriti o Waitngi is an agreement between the Sovereign British CROWN and the Sovereign Maori Nation, which is made up of at least 54 Independent Sovereign States. Each Chief who signed the Tiriti signed on behalf of their individual Sovereign Maori State. Now Seymour should know all this, but he is doing what Politician's do best, stirring up those insecure folks who post idiot comments. His government don't have the jurisdiction or authority to change the Tiriti because they were not PARTY to the signing. GOT IT!!

[@samgraham8430]

Well said David. Whether in govt or opposition your pragmatism is always a valued and necessary counterpoint to any debate.

[@unclejoe7958]

The indigenous rights baloney all bares down to - ‘Give us free stuff’ Give us free money’ ‘Give us positions of power, regardless if we’re qualified or not ‘ Don’t make us accountable for our own mistakes’ ‘Keep telling us how special we are ‘ Maori tv is a classic example of this . By Maori, for Maori, but paid for by non Maori. If Maori could shape up at home and in the classroom there’s nothing stopping them from being successful and able to fund their own ethnicity based ventures. The problem is Maoridom- tikanga etc is burdening maori individuals. Let them be independent individuals and not stuck in an oppressive collective which is anti intellectual and promotes division.

[@UnkleSi]

Moana making racist statements that certain people have 'special rights' and then a using seymour of being a racist... Ironic.

[@robintamihere4550]

Seymour supporters don't even know this country's history back to 1840. The Title CROWN in NZ is miss used and bandied around RECKLESSLY. THE title CROWN is being miss used when people use it in reference to the NZ CROWN. There is NO NZ CROWN, never was and never will be. Got it!!! CROWN refers to the British CROWN ONLY. The Te Tiriti o Waitngi is an agreement between the Sovereign British CROWN and the Sovereign Maori Nation, which is made up of at least 54 Independent Sovereign States. Each Chief who signed the Tiriti signed on behalf of their individual Sovereign Maori State. Now Seymour should know all this, but he is doing what Politician's do best, stirring up those insecure folks who post idiot comments. His government don't have the jurisdiction or authority to change the Tiriti because they were not PARTY to the signing. GOT IT!!

[@WoodInMotion]

Great chat between these two as always. Much respect.

[@stephenscales4799]

Good on you David

[@robintamihere4550]

Unfortunately the NZ government was not a Party to the signing. SO ALL OF YOU GULLIBLE people that Seymour has deliberately MISLED YOU go suck eggs.

[@craybro]

Great interview, challenging but respectful

[@tarbucky6536]

Most enjoyable, Great to see and hear an interview instead of the interviewer insinuating themselves as the main story and trying to get the 'gotcha' moment.

[@libgapper9761]

Wow davids a smart man thats actual speaks what matters

[@QuietManUK]

Since when have Maori been indigenous? They admit to arriving as colonists.

[@mr2981]

They are the OG colonists. Maybe that's what makes them 'special.'

[@jacobousgatez]

Colonisation requires there to already have been a population of people in New Zealand. There wasn't.

[@mr2981]

@@jacobousgatez When definitions collide with reality, reality stubbornly tends to win.

[@jacobousgatez]

@@mr2981 Forgive me if I go with peer reviewed scholarship (care of history, linguistics, archeology, biological anthropology and genetics), rather than with some random on KZbin.

[@mr2981]

@@jacobousgatez History? Like how we know when and where Maori came from, and on boats just like everyone else (and we even know the boats names)? Archaeology, like evidence of how they burned 40% of the coastal forests within the first hundred years of arrival? Biology, like how they drove the Moa, Haast's Eagle, and dozens of other species to extinction, and introduced predators like the Kuri and Kiore (Maori dog and polynesian rat, respectively)? Genetics, as in how their Polynesian ancestry points right back to where they came from? Oh, touché.

[@jamesblewman]

How about a referendum on Maori seats too.

[@aidanmorgan4630]

Why? Auckland has seats just for Auckland why can't Maori have seats just for Maori?

[@manuhamoa]

I see Trumpism is rising in NZ, how sad!!

[@Bigball_Bill]

@@aidanmorgan4630 because defining seats by race is institutional prejudice and continues to cycle racism in NZ.

[@dansmith2863]

Maybe a seat should depend on how Maori the person is, if its a half cast they get half a seat or like this lady who looks 1/10th special gets 1/10th of a seat.

[@shauntempley9757]

That is called apartheid mate, on the worse road to slavery, since it would allow all of that.@@dansmith2863

[@RenaConroy-s5y]

David Seymour even with his Maori blood in him he's ignorant and to say he wants a referendum to be changed to update it and bring into this day of thinking i don't think he has any respect for the original people who signed it like he thinks lets have a lot of changes to make this country are a better place his mannerism is a turn off a nerd in the class the clever boy i say this as he does have many good ideas but ...the way he is move things lets get on with it he really got to think of the bigger picture the damage he's going to create by pushing his smart alec views in parliament and does he think New Zealand ? people going to listen ??

[@billdennis3681]

This country is New Zealand, and we are all Kiwi or New Zealand's.

[@teweraboy]

What I like the best about these interviews.....both David Seymour and Chris Luxon are happy to discuss these topics openly and fairly

[@heathero007]

Well said David. All equal. No specials

[@TheBeaker59]

Moana showing her ignorance of universal peoples rights again.

[@Colin_Izer1111]

Orwell did warn... "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"

[@paywize]

Showing respect for all is not hateful. We are all equal in New Zealand. No special rights for any group of people, no matter where they came from and that includes you.

[@paywize]

@@autumnrainn We are all indigenous. don't you get it. Being Indigenous doesn't mean having special rights. Are you special?

[@andrewworth7574]

@@autumnrainn we are all colonists, some just arrived earlier than others.

[@andrewworth7574]

@@autumnrainn what indigenous rights are protected in the treaty? Property, taonga, and what else?

[@michaeledgar6118]

The interviewer makes her bias so evident, and he knocks her for six

[@VanceWarren83]

Lol, she had no clue about where he was going with roads. So funny. When you are blinded by your own victimhood, you can’t see the forest for the trees.

[@edifiersemper]

I mean its whataboutism - its hard to follow what his link is without any context. A better argument is to outline that they want to focus on the determinants of poor outcomes, like roads and housing rather than focusing on issues of identity. Different schools of thoughts to work towards outcomes.

[@JackieAdams-v6d]

Whatever pro Maori is the only and legit treaty that matters is the one signed by both Parties in 1840 without any recent interpretation. So leave it alone or are some wanting to try and interpret the treaty to suit non Maori.

[@samwalker699]

Love this David , great take on the voice ref .

[@gnieob777]

The only racist in the room was the interviewer.

[@robintamihere4550]

Seymour supporters don't even know this country's history back to 1840. The Title CROWN in NZ is miss used and bandied around RECKLESSLY. THE title CROWN is being miss used when people use it in reference to the NZ CROWN. There is NO NZ CROWN, never was and never will be. Got it!!! CROWN refers to the British CROWN ONLY. The Te Tiriti o Waitngi is an agreement between the Sovereign British CROWN and the Sovereign Maori Nation, which is made up of at least 54 Independent Sovereign States. Each Chief who signed the Tiriti signed on behalf of their individual Sovereign Maori State. Now Seymour should know all this, but he is doing what Politician's do best, stirring up those insecure folks who post idiot comments. His government don't have the jurisdiction or authority to change the Tiriti because they were not PARTY to the signing. GOT IT!!

[@AilsaPehi]

What confuses David about the Treaty? History illiteracy isn't an excuse. It wasn't the Bolger National government that re-interpreted it in 1987. They didn't want it rectified. The NZ government was taken to the Privy Council in Westminster and Queen Elizabeth II presented Queen Victoria's documents aligning to the Maori interpretation. When that was written into law and settlements began, Bolger offered Maori collective a payment of $1B dollars. Maori declined the offer and counter offered $1B for Pakeha to go home. No confusion and no skewing. Clearly they chose to stay. In my view, the significance of Te Tiriti is the only document that registers colonisers as citizens that are entitled to stay. If Pākeha whakapapa back to that time, are home. The rest are immigrants with citizenship. Since the return of stolen land, all Kiwis have benefited despite the National supporters telling everyone you'd all be wearing grass skirts. We have carved our own identity as an environment that is respected and loved. Ask MFAT. Ask tourists. Up until the early 90's the government wanted us to be a bastardised version of Britain. People don't travel here to see shops and buildings that are better at home. It was Maori that initiated phasing out of smoking. Bilingualism. So much more than media and government are to gutless to acknowledge. Today, like pre-colonisation, Maori are still trading and have managed to retain assets for the enjoyment of all, unlike National, who sell it all for short-term gain while we suffer long-term consequences. I like Luxon but hate National policies, eg, giving a vast spring water well to a Chinese org for free so they could bottle it and sell it back. Act and David get a chance because there wasn't a better choice. National are in for that reason. No enough voted. We'll see how it plays out. National are right in there as America's fan club. Let's hear their dialogue on Middle East crises. Don't talk to me about brown people gangs until white people pedophilia is fixed. Rant over. Carry on.

[@mr2981]

Tell me more about the environment that is respected and loved. The history of how Maori treated this environment tells a slightly different story.

[@robertfairburn9979]

Wow that is a rant

[@overover..]

White people paedophilia... wow... I think you'll find the stats in NZ might burst your bubble unfortunately. I can understand though how, if you mopped up everything in Stuff news, you could end up with your level of hate...

[@deanpendigrast7255]

Good on u David fantastic answer back

[@ChurDabro-xh2zu]

Maori did it again is that right Moana ? signed our sovereignt over to the United Nations !

[@ACR7791]

Completely agree with Seymour.

[@mahonnicklin9108]

After all this time and everything we should've learned about ethnic disputes, do people actually still roam the earth thinking that their ethnic demographic is 'special', or is this joke? Some ethnic groups struggle harder than others to achieve success. OK, so form questions around that reality to elicit a meaningful response.

[@TOKObee]

As a Maori, I don't go around acting or thinking like I'm "better" than anyone else. Do you have Maori friends or know Maori people who act like that? I bet not. You're just echoing the racist rhetoric blurted out during this douchebags campaign. @mahonnicklin9108

[@hamishrose9374]

@@TOKObeethere is at least one here in the comments

[@andreatodd3095]

Ahh, the worlds population is evolving as we speak ......Blue mink, Melting pot lyrics......

[@lynnebarclay3463]

Good respectful discussion.

[@moonms94]

Well done david.dont let that shitstirrer get under your skin

[@robintamihere4550]

Seymour supporters don't even know this country's history back to 1840. The Title CROWN in NZ is miss used and bandied around RECKLESSLY. THE title CROWN is being miss used when people use it in reference to the NZ CROWN. There is NO NZ CROWN, never was and never will be. Got it!!! CROWN refers to the British CROWN ONLY. The Te Tiriti o Waitngi is an agreement between the Sovereign British CROWN and the Sovereign Maori Nation, which is made up of at least 54 Independent Sovereign States. Each Chief who signed the Tiriti signed on behalf of their individual Sovereign Maori State. Now Seymour should know all this, but he is doing what Politician's do best, stirring up those insecure folks who post idiot comments. His government don't have the jurisdiction or authority to change the Tiriti because they were not PARTY to the signing. GOT IT!!

[@neilstuarr2278]

The article of indigenous rights has an addenda which quite conveniently none of the maori are quoting . Something to do with increasing division. Go check it out .

[@andrewoh1663]

Seymour ate her alive

[@davethewave7248]

Declaration of human rights derives from modern [French] philosophy [natural rights]. Earlier British thought saw a 'state of nature' without rights [solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short]. Historically, from the Brits perspective, rights only came with lawa nd order, which came with the establishing sovereignty ergo the Treaty. Of course, it is all political now, but the reality back then was that sovereignty was established over NZ with the *declaration* in May 1840. The signing of the Treaty in Feb 1840 was to appease the humanitarians back in London... and was really just the nominal cession of sovereignty. But of course, this is history not politics.

[@aidanmorgan4630]

Bro do you actually think Maori had no legal framework before Europeans?

[@mr2981]

@@aidanmorgan4630 By "legal framework" you mean did they have customs? Certainly. If by "legal framework" you mean legal framework, then ha.

[@ufconlyfamz69]

that was so well said, i have to do a question on the TOW in an upcoming exam, i want to use this. What do you think of the principles of the treaty?

[@shauntempley9757]

Except the British acknowledges the United Tribal Declaration signing of 1835, in accordance with official practice at that time to make it official. Both the Monarch and the House Of Commons recognised its existence. Which means those rights were handed over with that Declaration, and were preserved in Article 2 of the Treaty. It is the existence of both documents is why the Waitangi Tribunal stated what it did. It is right when it said Maori never gave up sovereignty as a people with their beliefs and culture and language, and food sources. They just gave up sole sovereignty as a nation, instead sharing that authority with the Monarch. Which puts todays Iwi leaders that meet at the Iwi Forum at the Monarchs level internationally, while Iwi as a individual entity is at the Parliaments level nationally, the regional councils regionally, and the councils level locally, and Maori individual persons are equal to the Scottish clans in Scotland, the Welsh in Wales, and the English in Great Britain. In those nations, those people have first say on matters before everyone else. It is the same with Maori. Our say comes first, then everyone else has theirs. The main risk, is if David does this referendum without clear limits, he risks turning full political control over to Iwi, and the complete and permanent dissolving of Parliament. It has been made very clear in Muldoon's time, that the Treaty is how Parliament has the authority to make decisions here. If the Treaty is ended, Parliament is ended, and power goes back to Iwi permanently. He is risking even worse problems that Brexit caused, where we very easily end up like Israel and Gaza are right now.

[@mr2981]

Ah yes, you know you're on sound moral footing with veiled threats of violence, "like Israel and Gaza".

[@stevehughes1510]

A referendum is a good one, to put this issue behind us. One nation one people.

[@robintamihere4550]

Seymour supporters don't even know this country's history back to 1840. The Title CROWN in NZ is miss used and bandied around RECKLESSLY. THE title CROWN is being miss used when people use it in reference to the NZ CROWN. There is NO NZ CROWN, never was and never will be. Got it!!! CROWN refers to the British CROWN ONLY. The Te Tiriti o Waitngi is an agreement between the Sovereign British CROWN and the Sovereign Maori Nation, which is made up of at least 54 Independent Sovereign States. Each Chief who signed the Tiriti signed on behalf of their individual Sovereign Maori State. Now Seymour should know all this, but he is doing what Politician's do best, stirring up those insecure folks who post idiot comments. His government don't have the jurisdiction or authority to change the Tiriti because they were not PARTY to the signing. GOT IT!!

[@vickiemorgan8581]

Indigenous rights what nonsense every one in New Zealand has the same rights.its a big lie that they dont.

[@robintamihere4550]

That is your opinion, must be great to be protected by a RACIST GOVERNMENT when your so blind you can't see the Institutionalized racism vented on Maori since the early 1800s. FACT - a European and a Maori teenager appear in Court for dealing cannabis, the Maori is most likely to be imprisoned while the European teenager might get off Scott free or at the worst with PD. This is one reason the U.N. introduced the UNDRIP treaty to specifically protect Indigenous peoples rights. NZ, Australia, Canada and the USA are four countries with poor indigenous rights, & these four countries were the last to sign, NZ signed up in 2010 or 2012 being the 2nd last country to sign, with the USA still to sign.

[@chrismacfarlane]

Good on you David! Finally someone that being the discussion back the reality !!

[@tonym2464]

The greater the political representation of a group of people, the poorer their socioeconomic outcomes tend to be.

[@dawnezone8491]

If that were true then more non-maori would be in dire straits...but as has been evident for well over a century, maori and pasifika people still have poorer economic outcomes. Do you even know what you said?

[@tonym2464]

​@@dawnezone8491 Maori and Pacific Islander communities hold significant political representation in New Zealand, yet unfortunately experience considerable socioeconomic disparities. Conversely, Chinese, Indian and Jewish minorities, despite limited political representation, demonstrate superior socioeconomic outcomes compared to various other groups. This observation is well-established and corroborated by economists, forming a longstanding principle recognised within the field.

[@dawnezone8491]

I wouldnt call a few seats significant, its certainly not a majority@@tonym2464

[@shauntempley9757]

Those groups have the support of the settler population. They would give freedom to the Trans community or aliens that arrived here before doing the same to Maori, just like they gave the terminally ill the freedom to choose. Those groups do not have people in key positions totally undercutting them using policies meant to dominate a specific people. Or have you forgotten Tama Iti's people getting dawn raided 19 years ago, on a lie peddled by the right in this country as an expression of that, and committed by the left? After the 1970's dawn raids on Samoan people, that were NZ citizens, by the very party that is now in power? And after the burning out by the army of Maori homes on Bastion Point, Maori owned land, in the 1950's because foreign rich people wanted it to build on for the view? Israel was doing that to Gazans barely 2 weeks ago!! Shame on you trying to justify a new confiscation about to be committed, because the majority want to be tyrannical, instead of having the guts to go to a freaking Marae and ask those people what co-governance means for them, instead of doing the bullshit, ignorant, stereotypical, political correctness approach to this issue, and be a threat to their what remains of the Maori way of life. And the only real reason, is everyone else around the globe is insane, so we should be too. You will not like it when Maori language, culture and art die out, and we become a boring copy of Australia, now would you? They already want us to be another of the penal clan.@@tonym2464

[@diyguru9677]

Anyone wanting to renegotiate te tiriti o Waitangi in 2023 would have to be a mug. Have you seen the price of land in Aotearoa?

[@throughput6674]

if that what you took form this you must be seriously obtuse.

[@robf1862]

where is atearoa?

[@diyguru9677]

@@robf1862 Don't know, I've never heard of atearoa.

[@ryry854]

@@diyguru9677 I haven't heard of atearoa either, and anyone not knowing where Aotearoa is these days just shows themselves up as an ignoramus.

[@stephenlennon7369]

​@@ryry854pakeha racism on display again

[@nzmeateater]

Good on you David, 👌👌

[@jayleng9630]

Whats the problem pakeha own houses land businesses then look at us maori we dont now you want equal rights there are no equal rights now and there will be no equal rights with the bill

[@Colin_Izer1111]

When we have an electoral commission enquiring if potential election staffers are on board with "the principles of Titiriti" and rejecting the candidates that aren't.....Yeh you may need to clean house there first, before you think of having any referendum.

[@twitchbiddy6880]

Indigenous people of NZ are not Māori. We just settled here before European. That term is only decades old so not reality. It’s NZ not Aotearoa - a transliteration by a white guy by some accounts and certainly not accepted by all Māori. Her interview comes from such a bias - not one I agree with.

[@robintamihere4550]

Seymour supporters don't even know this country's history back to 1840. The Title CROWN in NZ is miss used and bandied around RECKLESSLY. THE title CROWN is being miss used when people use it in reference to the NZ CROWN. There is NO NZ CROWN, never was and never will be. Got it!!! CROWN refers to the British CROWN ONLY. The Te Tiriti o Waitngi is an agreement between the Sovereign British CROWN and the Sovereign Maori Nation, which is made up of at least 54 Independent Sovereign States. Each Chief who signed the Tiriti signed on behalf of their individual Sovereign Maori State. Now Seymour should know all this, but he is doing what Politician's do best, stirring up those insecure folks who post idiot comments. His government don't have the jurisdiction or authority to change the Tiriti because they were not PARTY to the signing. GOT IT!!

[@Si-hz5tw]

you do know that more indigenous Australians voted against the referendum, right? the majority voters were two small areas of aussie that were over %98 white woke folk

[@Colin_Izer1111]

Those woke white folk, will be doing mental gymnastics trying to comprehend how any Indigenous Australian could possibly vote against the referendum. Haha "It must just be internalized white supremacy." I can hear it now...😂

[@andrewmann3787]

Become a republic The treatys with the crown no crown no treaty Then we came all move on as equal people of Newzealand

[@questor55]

Enough people would want the name changed to Aotearoa that we would have a bloody civil war over it. But sure, peace after whoever wins that battle and can keep the insurgents down.

[@robintamihere4550]

Seymour supporters don't even know this country's history back to 1840. The Title CROWN in NZ is miss used and bandied around RECKLESSLY. THE title CROWN is being miss used when people use it in reference to the NZ CROWN. There is NO NZ CROWN, never was and never will be. Got it!!! CROWN refers to the British CROWN ONLY. The Te Tiriti o Waitngi is an agreement between the Sovereign British CROWN and the Sovereign Maori Nation, which is made up of at least 54 Independent Sovereign States. Each Chief who signed the Tiriti signed on behalf of their individual Sovereign Maori State. Now Seymour should know all this, but he is doing what Politician's do best, stirring up those insecure folks who post idiot comments. His government don't have the jurisdiction or authority to change the Tiriti because they were not PARTY to the signing. GOT IT!!

[@jaredtaylor8495]

David’s the man. 100 percent correct

[@marklayland5424]

How can anyone ever be indigenous if everyone in New Zealand came fro somewhere else.

[@jennynelson-smith3899]

to relegate indigenous rights to qualify roading infrastructure is a hangover from the slave trade mentality. it is an indicator of this persons abilities, experience, and congnisant knowledge.

[@sarahrose4126]

This man seems a little off kilter with what he thinks is " logic ". Hes trying to strip the Maori of their rights by saying at 4:30 , " We have to stop putting labels on people and saying that some people are born special and others arent . Sorry thats just so gross. Weve got to stop doing it. " Wow. Just wow. Hes basically saying that if the Maori wish to keep their cultural identity and rule themselves according to their culture , thats " gross ". What an absolutely awful man. Hes being hideously racist and arrogant to try and shame the Maori for wanting to be themselves. Hes basically saying the Maori are " gross " if they wont gove ip their cultural identity and just blend in with the British. I cant imagine anyone wanting to support this man.

[@sash9249]

Yeah better roads are going to help Māori stop dying faster than non Māori, keep them out of poverty and turning to crime. Well done, David. You've solved it! This whole time we just needed to fill all the potholes in the country! Wow! 😂

[@derrickwilkie5611]

Well your shit left wing Government thats crashed & burned has added to the broken roads child poverty & so on

[@andrewworth7574]

You're right, what's actually needed to increase Maori life expectancy is for Maori to take responsibility for their own health more seriously. Fixing roads isn't really the issue when it comes to health. Personal responsibility is what makes the difference.

[@throughput6674]

I think the point went straight over your head. Perhaps you leave the politics to the grown ups?

[@MountainRarker]

Building infrastructure in low income areas creates jobs, lifting families out of poverty. Seems like a good step forward to me.

[@ehsanulkarim1126]

He just gave an example. Some idiots never understand this simple math. Voice with no faculties doesn’t make any sense

[@rosselliot8971]

In a heavy dose of irony, Moana speaks like a big bloke from Mataura.

[@patrickhauraki8713]

Who that bro

[@fu8713]

Aka your moms

[@patrickhauraki8713]

haha hurt ur feelings boi

[@sijoyalex1]

My next vote is for you David... Keep going❤

[@stewatparkpark2933]

Moana wants Maori to be eternal victims .

[@ryanryan3822]

It’s ok to see things differently and have different opinions. But please keep up the conversation for the betterment of the country.

[@LimitNZ]

Yeah nah you can have better roads while respecting the rights of Maori or any indigenous rights. The fact he said we shouldn't respect indigenous rights was pretty blatant. Sorry, but you don't get to have a colonised country and then try to wipe out from the law who was colonised.

[@mr2981]

That's not what he said, the point is they aren't 'special' and so their rights aren't different from anyone else's.

[@robintamihere4550]

@@mr2981 Another dumbo who thinks his race is all powerful. Maori OWN THIS COUNTRY. Ti kanga Law aka Maori Customary law is the common law of NZ is Superior Law. ARE you feeling me NOW. Maori might decide to kick all you white folk out. Than we see who starts crying. Stupid!! Learn your NZ history or it will bite you.

[@georginateimourian-x3b]

Well said, David. Thank you.

[@davethewave7248]

The only *declaration* that matters for NZ and its history is the declaration of sovereignty the British made in May 1840 over all of NZ. It was on the basis of this that they could assert their power and authority to finally stamp out war between unsigned tribes as late as 1843.

[@raycross5232]

She talks about indigenous rights, does she realise that by their own admission Maori were great navigators who came to New Zealand from a land called Hawiki. All people born in New Zealand are now indigenous. When Maori arrived in NZ they hunted killed, and displaced the aboriginal Mori ori. So in summary history was perverted to serve a divisive narrative.

[@A_kiwis_view]

What a groundless argument, an idea taken to absurdity. By taking this approach the word indigenous has no use as it means there are no indigenous people!

[@throughput6674]

@@A_kiwis_view the absurdity is your understanding. indigenous people need to "meet cretin criteria" to be defined as indigenous. words have meaning and if you dont fit the definition then you have no claim to using that word. its NOT rocket science. Go back to the soaps Karen.

[@Colin_Izer1111]

Orwellian double think.

[@Colin_Izer1111]

@@A_kiwis_view The Kalahari bushmen are indigenous, Maori are not. It's really not that hard of a concept to understand.

[@A_kiwis_view]

@@Colin_Izer1111 So who decides who is indigenous, David Seymour 🤔

[@jackohere1878]

For me as an old white guy Seymour is playing slimy but one could argue very clever politics. He congrats a green member just to "show' he is a nice guy. He knows Luxon will never agree to a referendum on the Treaty but he also believes perhaps 20% or more of Nat voters agree with him so he is chasing their votes hard and will keep promoting this issue with some thin excuse why he will still join a coalition with the Nats. The real test is if Nats refuse the referendum Seymour must not join a coalition with them or his integrity is totally shot.

[@robintamihere4550]

yeah that will knock him like a kick in the nuts.

[@Wairoa4ever]

The Treaty was 3 Articles NOT principals 1975 was a bad day for NZ

[@davethewave7248]

Yes, the problem with the idea of 'principles', that are thought to somehow underlie the language, is that we end up with some radical interpretation of what the language *really* meant. A hermenuetics of suspicion.

[@jackiebiggs7071]

Yes especially article 6 and, from memory, I think 19. Basically says it can be changed to suit the changing times and 'needs'.

[@dansmith2863]

Who is that lady, she looks 1/10th special so maybe she should get 1/10th special treatment. Or none at all.

[@robintamihere4550]

Her name sake Moana Jackson was instrumental in writing the UNDRIP Treaty at the U.N. google the name. Seymour supporters don't even know this country's history back to 1840. The Title CROWN in NZ is miss used and bandied around RECKLESSLY. THE title CROWN is being miss used when people use it in reference to the NZ CROWN. There is NO NZ CROWN, never was and never will be. Got it!!! CROWN refers to the British CROWN ONLY. The Te Tiriti o Waitngi is an agreement between the Sovereign British CROWN and the Sovereign Maori Nation, which is made up of at least 54 Independent Sovereign States. Each Chief who signed the Tiriti signed on behalf of their individual Sovereign Maori State. Now Seymour should know all this, but he is doing what Politician's do best, stirring up those insecure folks who post idiot comments. His government don't have the jurisdiction or authority to change the Tiriti because they were not PARTY to the signing. GOT IT!!

[@markjacobs2803]

Thank you David.

[@cpb5128]

Well that didn’t work out for her did it.

[@KathrynLiz1]

She is a classic example of the ideology preached in Universities etc. for the last 35 years..... Equality is racism according to their twisted worldview.