David Seymour: Why ACT opposes the co-governance drive | Q+A 2022

ACT leader David Seymour explains his push for a referendum on co-governance and argues why his party opposes increasing such arrangements.
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[@kingsleytobin2300]

Screwed over for last 100 years ? Māori health and education has same potential as anyone’s. If it’s poorer than the average, it’s their fault.

[@shauntempley9757]

No, it is the result of people in parliament stopping that potential.

[@kingsleytobin2300]

So true. Equal opportunity exists. Equal energy does not.

[@kingsleytobin2300]

Dam I replied to myself 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kingsleytobin2300]

@@shauntempley9757 how

[@speeddemon9555]

co governance is a racist system, 17% of the population governing 83% of the population without being elected is outrageous, Maori also have the same chance at education, medical care etc etc as everyone else.

[@hurricane19740]

Except they dont, and data interprets it that way. Co governance is an outcome from Te Tiriti, which is an agreement between 2 parties. Race is irrelevant on the basis of the agreement. Or are you saying on this basis a contract between a pakeha and a maori over wages for example is racist even though it’s an a contractual agreement signed in good faith between two parties? 😂 I’d like to hear your contractual experience and expertise on this issue lol

[@speeddemon9555]

@@hurricane19740 good faith ? Maori have taken 3 simple paragraphs of the treaty and turned them into " war and peace " Maori have claimed all sorts that were never mentioned, greed is the driving force for the elite Maori, how many suburban Maori have received a single cent from settlements, none !! you are being ripped off by your own elite leaders, the world owes Maori nothing.

[@chrislloyd4673]

At last, a decent conversation where no ones view is shut down by being called racist for simply questioning things.

[@hatupaoraolsen-mcgarvey2700]

It still doesn't make Donald right:)

[@BainesAdam]

But if it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck it's a duck. Simply asking questions is not the right argument for this extremely intricate situation. Simply questioning is a tool right wing extremists have been using for decades to foster dissent. Do you know Tucker Carlson, he just cost Fox News US$750 Million by just asking questions? You really do need to refine your arguments if you want to be taken seriously.

[@Ricky-nq7lu]

Racist, spawn of Hitler, & so many more & we don't get a word in about the subject we are meant to be talking about. It's their way of shutting down the conversion, as they know if this does come to a referendum they're screwed. We should want to be one people working together to get better services for everyone & get this country's instruction back online starting with Marsden Point oil refinery & bitumen plant as we can't fix our road properly without her. Plus, the ferries would always have clean fuel & we would have cheaper fuel as well. They get us breaking up into these small groups, they have won people as our power is when we speak as one voice.

[@marcopanti1017]

​@@BainesAdamlol 🤡

[@ericschin328]

$9 billion tax free iwi empire, tell me again how they don't have equity?

[@pamh1648]

100% agree with David Seymour. There is some hope, thank goodness for someone who understands.

[@michellenicholls9039]

Nonsense

[@maramadavis775]

YES ITS OBVIOUS U ARE RACIST GOOD FOR U

[@hurricane19740]

He’s an atlas muppet paid for by overseas elites

[@marsspacex6065]

Co governance must be stopped or we lose our democracy. Thank you David Seymour.

[@annedurrer1012]

Like Maori did when the white man landed in Aotearoa New Zealand 🇳🇿

[@TheShadowphant]

Absolutely

[@maclindsay7183]

@@annedurrer1012 Remember back then, Maori were savages and practiced cannibalism. They were very intimidating and violent towards the colonial visitors. Visitors that had good intentions to help the local people develop and learn how to become good christian folk. Let's all live as one people, and forget this co governance nonsense.

[@hatupaoraolsen-mcgarvey2700]

Democracy is such a false white construct

[@barefootonasandybeach638]

Bring on the referendum and get this cluster sorted..

[@miggyalejandro]

I'm normally left wing so never vote ACT but I am vehemently opposed co-governance. Its fundamental principle is grouping everyone as Maori and everyone else. That's just racism and apartheid by another name.

[@thecurrentmoment]

Have your say at the election, or this referendum if it goes ahead

[@timeflowtap]

right is the new left

[@hatupaoraolsen-mcgarvey2700]

You wouldnt know Apartheid if it sat on your face lol

[@whyishow]

This is classic disingenuous deflection. You know exactly what equity is so don’t conflate it with equality.

[@ChrisJohnson-cg9sy]

You're mistaken. This situation isn't akin to apartheid or the oppression of black people. Instead, it seems to reflect a colonialist agenda, where victims are portrayed as offenders. This pattern is observed globally. The concern is that ACT is leveraging this for political gain, emphasizing inequality that already exists. Māori continue to face challenges, and when they assert themselves, there's pushback. The Treaty of Waitangi, which lacks an expiration date, is often overlooked. Meanwhile, ACT and National appear to favor corporations and landlords, who frequently evade significant tax contributions. Trickle-down economics, in practice, often falls short. Granting more power and tax breaks to corporations and landlords doesn't necessarily translate to better societal prices. If the Treaty of Waitangi is seen through a colonial lens, this could lead to further marginalization of Māori, reinforcing negative stereotypes. Concerns about land confiscation and water rights are valid, given historical precedents. It's important to consider the potential consequences of concentrating power in one entity, which could lead to unchecked oppression and unequal rulings against minority groups

[@santhanaraj5863]

Patriots, please share this everywhere!! New Zealand needs you!!

[@top65mustang]

David is 100% right we don't need any Co-Governance we are all New Zealanders so all have the same rights and options in our lives

[@michellenicholls9039]

Wrong

[@TheShadowphant]

@@michellenicholls9039 Try coming into the 21st century!

[@greglynch6549]

Jack David had your measure he had an answer for all your questions in a intelligent sensible manner he sees things from both sides of the fence being of Maori decent himself!

[@honestlee3435]

Maori only 16.5% of your population, yet they want to run your country.

[@ronaldwarren1267]

All labor and national doing moving deck chairs around on the titanic luxon don't have any policies like jonn key suck up to marouri

[@maramadavis775]

@@ronaldwarren1267 RACIST PIG

[@a.r.t.4611]

Part Maori descent, from his grandmother I believe.

[@imbtmn9836]

14:03 yes! It's a damn shame how divided we are and Labour are fully responsible for it.

[@user-hi6ex5ct7c]

Why because Labour includes MAORI are being considered at last?😮

[@imbtmn9836]

@@user-hi6ex5ct7c why do Maori get special treatment?

[@BMBMacsenWledig]

That would be because they've always been given "special treatment". The vast majority detrimental to their, and the nation as a whole's, wellbeing.

[@hatupaoraolsen-mcgarvey2700]

You mean it's unfortunate that Māori have not been completely assimilated? It's unfortunate that Māori are not white?

[@magamike1800]

Equity is a dangerous word and it has been used when people should be guaranteeing equal opportunity.

[@djhemirukahemisphere8893]

No. The first nations people agreed to equity not equality. This was intentional.

[@chastautoko7177]

No Equal partnership, pakeha have no culture or heritage here in Aotearoa.

[@magamike1800]

@@chastautoko7177 Before we got here there were a bunch of savages running around eating each other. Would you prefer that culture, or what you have now, Welfare handouts and KFC?

[@chastautoko7177]

@@magamike1800 I prefer we just bash you. You pakeha have no culture or heritage here. Your a parasite living off the backs of Maori ya clown. I rather bash yous myself, and have been. I hope I run into you one day you overstayer lol. Hahaha. Jack shit you baldheads can do about it either lol. Loser.

[@chastautoko7177]

@@magamike1800 why do you losers delete your comments for? lol.

[@rod-contracts1616]

Jack Tame is a master of articulate "nuanced" woke nonsense.

[@tonywoodham3760]

One person one vote that's democracy

[@raywheeler3135]

That's what they said in Nazi Germany before the holocaust started.

[@MrDambler77]

This man needs to be our next PM

[@moniquebode1655]

Dave A I agree with you, David Seymour is a great speaker and he makes a lot of good points

[@chastautoko7177]

Go back to Europe you foreigner, Aotearoa don't need pakeha like you.

[@gcb4763]

@@moniquebode1655 Can you imagine David in a debate with Donald Trump ?.

[@raywheeler3135]

@@gcb4763 It would be less of a debate and more of a hug fest.

[@frze5645]

Equity is not the same as equality. Equity translates into - If you can claim to be a victim you will get more.

[@martingray6275]

Equity also isn't synonymous with 'democracy' as the interviewer seems to be intimating (in his frequent butting-in)

[@frankfletcher8038]

"if you can claim to be a victim you will be compensated appropriately*" you mean?

[@delanielockhart9380]

Calm and concise as always David. I've just started watching QnA again having ditched TV because of the continual negative rhetoric, and just want to say Jack, just because you keep repeating a phrase, doesn't magically make it correct.

[@1080sucks]

Tame is a people control nazi

[@Yhf6649]

Jack needs to ask some of the more in-depth questions to the other parties and give us balance unbiased news. Sometimes I get the impression he has his own agenda and stops asking the next logical question that would get to the truth as it may often someone in the woke world.

[@puppetmastr7398]

@@Yhf6649 you think he conjures the questions alone? or that he not restricted to the " yes you can" and No you can't" ask that question, sound like you're been watching too much Alison wonderland reruns.

[@grahamcassidy7540]

Jack and David sending a message of professionalism

[@andrewking9435]

The lefts view that country should be set up as maori vs pakeha when we are now multiethnic is archaic and racist. Solutions need to be based on need, not ancestors or skin colour. David is right, every NZer should have same rights. You cant live in the past with regrets and white guilt.

[@stephenlennon7369]

Guess you're talking about Maori people based on need? Pakeha are fine and dandy they own everything in this country so they don't really need much. And what's white guilt? 🤔

[@patriciabailey4017]

David??? But so true cannot live in the past, an creating racism withhin nz not OK its worse when it's being done by our countries rulers an those in the like, what will it be like for our generations to come?? Its as much a war crime as the so called war crimes, and gone on and on both by pakeha an Maori, it should be outlawed, not likely tho as that's not in the initial plan.

[@andrewking9435]

@@stephenlennon7369 so what aboiut bogans and regular blue colar working class people who happen to have european ancestry.. also asians, indians and new NZers?

[@andrewking9435]

@@stephenlennon7369 white guilt is the term to describe left wing Europeans who pull down statues and apologize for their culture ..history and western civilization.. and are perpetuating a deconstruction movement accelerate decline of west rather than conserve and celebrate its sucess like other cultures enjoy.

[@stefsmith47]

@@stephenlennon7369 rubbish

[@foreignparticle1320]

Where is equity mentioned in the Treaty (either the Maori or English version)?

[@taylorhine2962]

Yeah I wasn't too sure about that. I believe it was that Maori will be treated as British citizens or something like that. But also Maori did not cede sovereignty to the crown like David said so they're both wrong

[@onryoki4451]

I agree with David Seymour, we don't need separate Maori health care/Education and other separate systems based on race. What we do need is one strong Health care, Education and other systems that work FOR ALL PEOPLE no matter what your skin colour is. This separation bullshit that is going on right now needs to go! ONE NATION ONE PEOPLE.

[@stephenlennon7369]

Buhahaha 😂 😂 😂 buying into far right Act BS scaremongering tactics again 🙄 typical sheeple

[@patriciabailey4017]

Absolutely right, it's set up to create segregation among people, you can't trust anything that is in power it seems, all wanting jabcindas job lol power punters they not about the people that voted them in, not when it's power an money, lol Kings n Queens, actually weren't they all inbred, didn't they crap all over each other to steal what they wanted too, yeah, thought so, filth lies and allies, hmm nothing has changed really, jus guns now not swords

[@29Ni8]

Does your mother know your here,go back to your playstation we don't play games kid

[@29Ni8]

There's no we in us thank democracy

[@brorang4672]

Why not a contract was signed years ago which was dishonest was never honoured it's like if you're employer was to breach contact and you took them to court and sue them

[@chrish5184]

Why does Jack Tame say that article 3 EXPLICITLY refers to equity not equality when neither word appears in the document?

[@utubermax]

Because he clearly hasn't read the Treaty, or leastwise understood it. The granting of British citizenship is equality in the eyes of the law created by the ceded sovereignty. Equity is not mentioned anywhere in any version.

[@hatupaoraolsen-mcgarvey2700]

Read the Maori version

[@chrish5184]

I would be keen to know the different Maori words or phrases that are used to distinguish between different mutually exclusive forms of equality. What is the Te Reo for equality under the law, equality of opportunity and equality of outcome. Then tell us which one appears in the Treaty. @@hatupaoraolsen-mcgarvey2700

[@andreatodd3095]

I like the way David delivers his policies and what he represents heading the Act party, different from other leaders who are interviewed because he isn't on the defensive when asked questions, he gives more information rather than avoiding the questions.

[@patriciagraham222]

Well spotted!

[@rhyskempen3736]

If he was truly a leader, he would be discussing electoral integrity, and voter identification. We have zero requirement to produce identification to register to vote or to actually vote in NZ. So they (anyone) can cheat and there is nothing you can do to cross check that. All things considered, this is the only subject we should be discussing, though trying to discus it with David, will see a rapid change in topic.

[@patrickhoulihan7210]

I agree.David Seymour is a breath of Fresh Air compared with anyone that Nats can put forward.I believe his party will pick up more votes next election. Winston Peters is the other party leader who talks sense on Co Governance & Separatism.

[@gibsons7057]

He's the next PM

[@barnabywsm]

Great interview by Jack. Excellent and informed perspectives from david. More of this quality sharing of ideas please

[@standbytogo123]

If Jack would keep his mouth shut and not interrupt when David is explaining something it would assist in informing the public with regards to the question he put to David. I think he was biased against David and did not like it when what he thought was a tricky question he was he was putting to David was so easily answered with a detailed explanation by David.

[@maramadavis775]

THATS A LIAR DAVID IS A MENACE TO PEACE HES DREGING UP LIES I HATE THIS LOW LIFE

[@pauljones3062]

Jack is a programmed Leftist and does not want to hear what David has to say & doesn’t allow him to do so.

[@dosentmatter982]

Damn r we watching the same program

[@utubermax]

Jack Tame needs to read the Treaty. Article 3 mentions nothing of "equity" - which he seems to continually emphasise. It does, however, more appropriately indicate "equality" - equality of opportunity which Maori have. After all they've been leaders of political parties, Governor's General, Heads of several Govt Depts and also Corporations, what more do they want? Tame needs to realise that apartheid is a recipe for disaster and if the Treaty is too hard for him to read and understand, may I suggest he reads Dr Seuss - The Sneetches.

[@spacewitch6667]

Pffffft

[@patrickhoulihan7210]

I agree but in any debate someone must take the alternate view even if he does not believe that it is true.I've never heard of the guy.

[@frankfletcher8038]

They probably want their land back

[@utubermax]

@Frank Fletcher, which land? The land they sold several times, or the land they have been "full & final" settled for several times? And let's not forget, before colonisation they owned nothing, for it was regularly taken by the next tribal warmonger that happened their way - and that was far from the worst of it. And while on the subject, they didn't even have a name for New Zealand, that was how wide their 'world view' was. As evidenced by the Treaty in 1840, the name 'Aotearoa' for the country simply didn't exist. Yet just another revisionist myth.

[@leshowe8028]

A hand full of Maori in the pakeha system means nothing to the general Maori population. Maori should have been the most well to do people if the system was fair. 95 percent of this country is govt and foreign own that generates billions if not trillions Maori get some back in prison. Hospitals benefits child poverty don't know what homeless get. Scraps Just because a few faces are seen in high places but you can't see the lowlys hipocrites I say

[@standbytogo123]

With regards to Jack hammering David on the 'one vote for one person' criteria and putting forward that a minority indigenous race of people should get more than one vote per person, there would appear to be an assumption that those in that minority would only vote for a candidate of their own race or a party with their race in their name. The fact is they may not. They may stick with the party whose policies they like and use their two votes to increase that parties total vote.

[@OJB42]

David Seymour: reasonable, fair, rational. Jack Lame (whoops, I mean Tame): politically correct, shallow, unreasonable.

[@IMMasterStrategist]

Do NOT interrupt David when he's trying to ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS!! It's very rude & disrespectful. Let him convey his words of fairness & wisdom to the masses.

[@hatupaoraolsen-mcgarvey2700]

LOL...zzzz

[@chrismckellar9350]

There is merit in what David Seymour is advocating.

[@stephenlennon7369]

Of course there is if you ascribe to misinformation and shock and awe tactics. He really doesn't know our country history especially with his revisionism that far from correct.

[@stefsmith47]

@@stephenlennon7369 can you address the misinformation?

[@justhaze4855]

@@stephenlennon7369 Which misinformation? Pleaser provide facts and details and cite your source when your responding.

[@gregorymailman9733]

@@stephenlennon7369 lemon

[@zomnamdlo]

Someone that actually understands the importance of protecting democratic principles and what a slippery slope Labour have put us on. Should we continue this course we'll end up living in a tiered ethnic state, a chosen race and the rest. The treaty was all well and good for it's time but it's antiquated and unfit for purpose, it's interpretation contradicts itself, you can't have universal equal rights and also special rights. I doubt we will but i'd love to have a referendum on this - it's gone too far.

[@hatupaoraolsen-mcgarvey2700]

If you don't like it you have the choice to return to your own country:)

[@LordOden1]

Co-governance means there will be friction, as there can not exist two factions with different ideologies. This will always lead to a war. One must always be submissive to the other, that is why this thought is unattainable, hence, a bad idea.

[@KathrynLiz1]

Jack tame is well in doctrinated into "the principles of the treaty".....

[@anthonysherry2628]

How can Maori be indigenous? They arrived here around the 13th century, and now they are of mostly mixed blood. Jack has a bit of maori blood, David has a bit of maori blood.

[@paperclip612]

Exactly! We've heard for years about the Maori arriving on their Waka. They're no more indigenous than anyone else in New Zealand.

[@jameslast7555]

@@paperclip612 That's why they want UN status as First Nation people. A fraud if there was ever one.

[@marsspacex6065]

Exactly

[@barneyboy2008]

Yes. But they signed a treaty with the crown.

[@TheShadowphant]

Some are not going to like being reminded of that little fact.

[@wikhamtheboi6845]

Jack Tame asks good questions I wanted to know and David seymour made good points

[@greybuckleton]

Great debate, excellent concise knowledge from David. Nice to see it not devolve in to a pointless argument. I'm rather less convinced that the treaty ever promised equity. Article 3 promises the same rights, not the same life outcomes. And this is clear enough in both versions. The word equity does not appear and yet the host keeps saying it does?

[@iansmith9706]

Jack a little lefty and can’t hide his bias

[@richardcox3713]

If ACT policy is strongly opposed the why has the ACT candidate for Tasman West Coast equally strong endorsed co governance in the Aug16 edition of the Motueka Guardian on page 8? Sort of undermines ACT’s election campaign.

[@martingray6275]

The future of this (or any other) country and the solution to world problems will not and cannot be resolved by a continually fragmented society. Whatever 'new' version or definition of 'democracy' NZ has or may design has to be based on that premise. "Inclusivity for various groups and actors' seems to be a license (in many sectors) for 'excluding' others, and even those who form a majority demographic in this country. This simply cannot work and is headed in ever more complex directions, with stronger push-back no doubt....

[@legoyodagaming5051]

Seymour is 100% right, so is winston peters. I'm voting NZ FIRST. I want act in coalition with NZF and national

[@shawneyshoeshine]

Winston put this current racist authoritarian mob in power in the first place.. he cannot be trusted ever again

[@iansmith9706]

You can never trust Winston he’s a snake that is in it for Winston, he will turn on a dime to suit himself , no morals

[@user-hi6ex5ct7c]

They will never win unfortunately.😢

[@user-hi6ex5ct7c]

National have already said he will not work with Winstone, so better pick someone that will and hope they win the election.

[@legoyodagaming5051]

It's just politicking mate. Voters will decide. If act and national don't have a majority and nz first is in parliament, they will have no choice to work with him. It's just political talk because he's rising In the polls and they are getting afraid!

[@sunflowerreeve1346]

David is very much liked by many. He is very intelligent young politician. International experience counts... Keep on shinning bright David se ya.

[@sox7784]

Vote ACT 👍👍👍

[@lynnettedownie3731]

Thanks David for having the intelligence and integrity to be frank.

[@NAMDNYH]

David Seymour is a remarkable man and a politician who is destined to have a major impact on New Zealand's future. Reasonable, intelligent, measured and articulate. He has a delightful sense of humour and does not engage in malicious politicing. Jack Tame conducted one of his best interviews. We need more of this quality telejournalism.

[@imbtmn9836]

David and ACT have my vote this year.

[@user-hi6ex5ct7c]

YOU GO FOR IT BUT WILL FAIL😂

[@imbtmn9836]

@@user-hi6ex5ct7c does using all caps make you feel you're right?

[@kasperkulak]

breath of fresh air. logical, informed and in favor of good sense

[@michellenicholls9039]

😂😂😂 please nonsense

[@johnburnett3942]

Well said David. I agree with you.

[@dannii08]

KZbin Maori confiscated land, also the east coast raids

[@southpacific222]

Think the whole treaty, sovereignty thing has just become crap. Firstly there is no colonising country that would have ever agree to equity of a minority. They never saw them as equals and Queen Victoria would never have agreed to it so it's impossible that was written in the treaty.They said they'd be treated the same as the settlers. My Irish ancestors had their land stolen and a lot were starved to death and had to pay the crown to farm their own land. The problem is classism! It always has been. That's still the issue in nz now. You have Maori elite that own an awful lot and an Maori economy that's worth over 70 billion dollars yet "their" people still live in poverty. I'm from working class, factories and the like and we don't get any help from bloody anywhere but all we want is to have the same opportunity to equality. We're all just human regardless of race or ancestry. The past is the past, lifes not been fair so get over it and fight for a equal future for all humans!

[@chchwoman9960]

South Pacific, your comment is brilliant and hits the nail right on the head! I would love for you to write a book

[@Mumbo_Jumbo_Kiwi.1]

You have my republican vote!

[@fionamcgauley7027]

So why did the Queen apologize to Maori publicly,(colonists is another word for thieves

[@southpacific222]

@Fiona McGauley Yes Queen Elizabeth apologised not Queen Victoria. As I said Queen Victoria never would of allowed sovereignty or self determination to Maori to be written in a contract . The Maori signed an agreement to be treated the same as the settlers, there's No way she would of agreed to anything else. And as I said my Irish ancestors had their land taken, most Irish/British who came to Nz came here to escape classism and poverty.

[@fionamcgauley7027]

@@southpacific222 rubbish, read the history, oh forgot, colonist make thie history to suit themselves, Elizabeth opologised on behalf of Victoria, our ancestors went to visit Victoria the treaty is real so stop BS everyone

[@prabhakarrao4922]

David Seymour is a very wise man. Thanks to the interviewer for not shouting David down. We desperately need a New Zealand where everyone is equal. We also need to recognize that the Māori need more help but not in the manner the current government is going about it.

[@maramadavis775]

HOES TO SHOW YOUR STUPID IF U THINK HES SMART WOOOOW THE TWERKING LITTLE BABY MURDERER SO U INTO KILLINMG NINE MONTH OLD BABIES TOO HOW ONTO IT!

[@taniab3940]

Maori language Is constantly transliterated by😮 pakeha to suit. David Seymour's chit is a great example

[@mjanny6330]

@taniab3940 lol emojis aren't te-reo.

[@hatupaoraolsen-mcgarvey2700]

Daves idea of unity and democracy is where everyone sounds white, dresses white, thinks white and behaves white because its all right.

[@kingsleytobin2300]

Some of us are more equal than others

[@cringewithit]

6:30 article 3 is somehow explicit about equity, without equity ever being mentioned or even implied in the treaty

[@stephenlennon7369]

Bro keep of the pipe

[@cringewithit]

@@stephenlennon7369 where is equity mentioned then?

[@stephenlennon7369]

@@cringewithit playing with platitudes lack of historic context the equity is in the text in all the articles and in good faith which wasn't upheld and that legacy is reflected today

[@southpacific222]

@Stephen Lennon Yeah because they were Big on Equity in the Victorian Era aye Hahaha

[@chastautoko7177]

@@southpacific222 there's no equity in modern times.

[@Yhf6649]

Well said David

[@davidboyd8113]

David Seymour if elected into parliament will carry on with the co-governance he is weak and he will do what he is told by the United Nations in the world economic forum

[@angelabritten48]

THEY HAVE HAD THE SAME RIGHTS, I WAS EDUCATED WITH MAORI CHILDREN, THEY HAD THE SAME SCHOOLS, DOCTORS, THE SAME HOSPITALS ETC ETC ETC. BUT SOME, MAORI, MANY IN FACT HAVE CHOSEN TO ABUSE ALCOHOL, BEAT THEIR CHILDREN TO DEATH AND BREAK THE LAW AND HAVE TO BE IMPRISONED. I'M SO SICK OF THEIR VICTIM MENTALITY. MY PARENTS HAD TO BUY THE LAND THEY LIVED ON AND THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE, THEY WORKED HARD AND NEVER GOT DRUNK (they enjoyed a social drink occasionally) THEY WORKED FOR EVERYTHING THEY HAD. THEY WERE NOT MOANERS. HOW MANY INDIANS, CHINESE, ETC HAVE COME TO NEW ZEALAND WITH HARDLY ANYTHING AND ARE NOW SUCCESSFUL, WITH THEIR OWN HOMES AND BUSINESSES, HEAPS!!!!! SO WHY CAN'T MAORI DO THE SAME????? GOOD GRIEF,

[@rp7784]

How Many schools did you attend? And Where did you live growing up?

[@leshowe8028]

All the govt services were on confiscated Maori land. Public works act is a thief No Maori land should have ever been sold or taken. Partnership would have been acceptable without taking the land by lease agreement only and Maori wouldn't be in the gutter. In hastings a Chinese garden chained hid son the garden to work and those foreigners didn't come here penniless the Asians own forestry that's come back to bite the people in the arse The wsirua of this country chose Maori and that's where Maori should go back to not follow the govt and foreigners who can't stay in their own corrupt country.

[@TheShadowphant]

well said

[@thecurrentmoment]

One thing to keep in mind is that the immigrants that are allowed to live here usually have to meet certain criteria to do so, one of which is to earn over a certain threshold of money and/or have skills that are in demand. Or be a refugee, but those are of a limited number, and then are family, etc, but the bulk of permanent immigrants are skilled people. So basically the immigrants that live here are to cream of the crop, whereas Maori in New Zealand include all levels of ability and expertise, so that does skew things a bit. We don't get many cleaners, and call centre staff from Third World countries getting residency, for example, mostly the skilled people that are in demand such as nurses, doctors, engineers, ag/hort workers, now hospitality workers, etc

[@kiwikiwi8023]

U nailed it

[@mrsymor]

if/when New Zealand separates from the British monarchy and becomes an independent republic, what would happen to the treaty of Waitangi?

[@29Ni8]

Russia will knock the crown off parliament chairman if it wasn't for the treaty, you can't trust Japan after pearl harbor

[@stephenlennon7369]

It will be incorporated into the new constitution of NZ. The problem with NZers is that they lack historic literacy and don't realize that the TOW ushered in massive immigration into Aotearoa from the UK with their white supremacy ideology that reflected today.

[@brorang4672]

It should be back to the original people of the land and authority and ownership should be honoured

[@brorang4672]

@@chchwoman9960 you would still be able to live here but probably won't have the same entitlements eg healthcare, welfare , education would probably be more user pays system that is where us as tangatawhenua miss out when we need it ,we allow foreigners to come and get emergency surgery and we foot the bill and miss out because funds are used up by non citizen refugees

[@brorang4672]

@@chchwoman9960 no I'm saying it should be prioritized so those that are eligible by first nation indigenous, , to the country should be higher up the eligibility ladder ,as you may know Maori are more times likely to need it more and should be allocated a percentage annually where as migrants and lesser generations would be on a public waiting list , because if you look at statistics moari are more less likely to be granted eligibility than other ethnic groups, the only thing Maori are more likely to receive are incarceration facilities ,are at the bottom of the heap for accommodation education and employment

[@lancedonald6070]

Vote Act in 2023 if you value Democracy

[@mikevincent6332]

Only mainstream media would not say CV is over - they made millions from it.

[@accessaryman]

Maori are given equity , they have the same rights as every new Zealander, the right to work , the right buy houses , cars etc., the right to go on holidays the right to a good education, etc., to say they haven't or don't have equity is a blatant lie

[@barneyboy2008]

Yes, but they also have other rights.

[@jeannibarber1799]

Theres way to much goverment and burocracy in this country as it is.

[@Ricky-nq7lu]

The only reason IWI & a select group of Maori have an issue with this is the fact that if it passes the smell test, there will be no more big fat cheques every Waitangi day. Everything is always about taxpayer's money people as everyone has their hand out. Time to cut the fat NZ as the country needs upgrades.

[@barneyboy2008]

The outcome of any such referendum is a given. Turkeys don't vote for Xmas. So utterly pointless really.

[@beverleyhodge7829]

Declaration of independence was the first document worded quite clearly.

[@user-dv6rr5ld4m]

There is only one legit treaty and that is the one that was signed by both Parties. Having a referendum or taking it to Parliament what for to change the wording on it to suit Pakeha which has been tried in the past. Also there are more non maori now so having a referendum would be very unfair to maori. So a referendum no and taking to Parliament no for those reasons.

[@J.Smith-rc6wh]

we need to start using "part-maori" in place of "maori", because the last full blooded maori died in 1950's. This recognises the truth, and the truth sets you free.

[@J.Smith-rc6wh]

New Zealand has moved forward from 180 years ago, and taking a 180 year old founding document to it's literal extreme serves no one, and just creates division not heals it

[@aimee-leighkelly2906]

Incorrect there are many full blood Māori still alive. I’m related to many though I am not full Māori myself. Oriini Kaipara, a well known TV broadcaster is also full Māori. My grandparents birth certs recognise them as full blood Māori (back when birth certs used to say that stuff) making my mother also full blood Māori. This is just two examples among many.

[@gracepreston9995]

I'm part Maori, I have British Ancestry as we as Maori, I'm already doing some research on my family tree, the Maori side, the English side I'm still researching.

[@leshowe8028]

One drop of Maori blood is all you need to whakapapa back to your full blooded tupuna and tupuna wsirua Tane. If you don't accept your other blood type because the culture don't appeal or the characteristic nature isn't your style that's OK Using mathematics in whakapapa is a weak and degrading tactic like saying we've flushed the Maori system down the toilet.

[@rg1876]

Interviewer has an agenda to push and he knows he is wrong.

[@glenradford5988]

I bet this interviewer votes Labor. How is he unbiased.

[@user-hi6ex5ct7c]

Well David just said it - The latest English interpretation of Te Tiriti o Waitangi - it definitely ain't the true interpretation. The original says Tino Rangatiratanga - pakeha translation says Sovereignty which gives a very different meaning to the original word. Te Tiriti is between 2 people Maori as in nga Tangata o Niu tireni and British Citizens it doesn't say EVERYBODY. It was only the British that have included EVERYBODY.

[@user-dv6rr5ld4m]

I am referring to the treaty first signed by Pakeha and Maori in 1840

[@fionamorrison4935]

You can't change democracy to suit yourself, everyone needs the same rights for this to be a democracy.

[@The_Legend_Himself]

Seymour is 100% right here.

[@stopcogovernance]

Article 3 of the Treaty ACTUALLY says : "In return for the cessation of their sovereignty to the Queen, the people of New Zealand shall be protected by the Queen of England and the rights and privileges of British subjects will be granted to them." Virtually EVERYTHING Jack says is a twisting of the truth. He ought to be completely ashamed of himself for coming on TV demonstrating such a poor standard of journalism. What article three is ACTUALLY saying is that everyone in NZ will be treated equally. What I see is ACTUALLY Maori are getting favours and backhanders over the rest of us right left and centre! i.e. the 83% non-Maori population are getting screwed over! Sheesh.

[@dillianwhyte443]

That's the issue with the treaty. The Maori version is very different. It meaning is more towards equity.

[@barneyboy2008]

It also says Maori can retain what is theirs.

[@leshowe8028]

I don't see Maori fsvourtism Just a govt designed process that looks like Maori are getting something like Maori trust boards that doesn't distribute to the victims and the govt don't care. Your being deceived and need to look where the lowlys are.. Govt and foreigners gave taken more than 95% land from Maori. Govt and foreign ers Responsible for bringing and educating alcohol drugs and other crimes how many Maori shop owners sell alcohol The Treaty is an absolute fraud and bullshit document nothing sacred about it. There only thing in that document that mentions God is Tino Rangatiratanga which none of the politician can interpret ate the meaning.

[@shauntempley9757]

@@barneyboy2008 Yes. Article 2 specifically stated that, and also stated equality. The thing is Seymour here ignores what that article states. Co governance is pretty much meeting Article 2, and the first attempt in NZ's history to do so. Article 3, however, covers the people that will come to live here, in addition to Maori.

[@TheShadowphant]

@@dillianwhyte443 Bullshit

[@eatbacon5072]

News Hub needs to unlock their comment section

[@markturner2971]

Maori ceded sovereignty, time to stop the gravy train, and move on. Maori are not indigenous.

[@bryanmartin3180]

One person one vote how hard to understand is that . Good on you David keep hammering away at it. If this country hadnt been settled by Europeans what would be here

[@darrellancaster7808]

It's 2023 not 1840, and that is the problem

[@johnburnett3942]

A person in prison has no rights. Until time served.

[@paperclip612]

Quite right.

[@christinestorey7428]

Except JA said people getting released within a certain time frame could vote.

[@johnburnett3942]

@@christinestorey7428 going back in time. We lived by rules. Over time, the rules, became laws. If you broke the law, you were called an outlaw. And banished, from the community for a period of time. If you survived, you were allowed back into the community. Banishment, has been replaced, by prison. As you have become an outlaw. With no rights. So it is wrong for some idiot, to decide, that some outlaw, is not as bad as another outlaw. They are all the same, until they have completed their sentence.

[@jjacobs260]

David Seymour is wasted on boring woke New Zealand. He’d be far more successful overseas and should leave the pretentious NZ politics behind.

[@roberthooker4970]

If the courts made a ruling should the Act party appeal the ruling? Does the Act Party think the 7 maori seats in parliament should be removed?

[@user-dv6rr5ld4m]

If co-governance will fix the problem of inequality for maori then why not let it happen and I don't believe people are leaving this country because of that. They are leaving because money is better overseas simple as that.

[@patriciavinten9700]

People need to be held accountable for there actions! Parents should be responsible for there children! If a teen causes thousands in damages then make the parents pay or take it out of there benefits, it would soon stop ,

[@hatupaoraolsen-mcgarvey2700]

Yeah because the kids of beneficiaries are the only bad kids lol

[@monda111111]

Good dialogue! Thanks David and Jack

[@michellenicholls9039]

He got owned 😂😂

[@Samuel-bu7xr]

Never thought I'd hear a presenter say "the shitty things" on Q&A.

[@fredm5245]

NW on another podcast quoted “to New Zealand people….” Why not use the words instead “ to New Zealanders.” It just came across as disengaged

[@sigmaoctantis4706]

Say No to Co--Go

[@donmccully704]

Why has National ruled out a national referendum?

[@TheShadowphant]

They are afraid

[@danielalexander3406]

Equity hasn’t been achieved in 180 years because equity is impossible. There are a multitude of factors that lead to inequity, and they almost all fall under the cultural banner. Racism has little to do with it because Indian and Chinese outperform Maori I’m almost all areas ranging from health to income. The attempt to control for all factors leading to inequity would require a bureaucracy so suffocating it wouldn’t be a country work inhabiting.

[@billyhansen9770]

Jack Tame needs to give up the facade of 'objective journalism' and just enter politics. That wasn't an interview, it was a debate in which his political colours were so blatantly on the wall, he just can't help himself.

[@stephenlennon7369]

No he's not you're over critical of his style of interviewing that probably doesn't fit your political leaning? He's playing the devils advocate method it's a technique that used by journalists around the world SMH

[@chastautoko7177]

You need to give up your stupidity, Jack is the only presenter who has his head screwed on. Wake up mate, you will never understand what Tangata Whenua have been through, yet fast to pass judgment. Idiot.

[@markreynolds1112]

@@stephenlennon7369 didnt hear him playing devils advocate in the other interview sorry.

[@skaxman99]

@@stephenlennon7369 well he is very good at playing the “devils advocate” for a David Seymour interview.

[@skaxman99]

@@stephenlennon7369 not very good at playing “devils advocate” for Jacinta ruru. Lol

[@DEFENDERNZ]

David is onto it. Equality should be our future, not going backwards to see how much red tape you can bring into the mix. Nz ready has too many chiefs and not enough indians. Maori have been apologised to, recompensed and given special treatment well in accord with past wrongs. Enough is enough, they need to stand on their own two feet. This whole debacle has gone on so long we've lost our direction.

[@denyswoodroffe490]

The Maori people are not the indigenous people. This needs sorting also. What about the Moriorio

[@patriciavinten9700]

Good on you, some one needs to stand up to unfair policies, in a democracy peoples votes are normally the way things work! Not just given , if the issues in this country aren’t sorted out soon then we will be just like South Africa! Apartheid , it’s already begun ! We are at the moment almost lawless people can do what they want with no consequences! Please address this and save our beautiful country

[@christinagavin4517]

Well done David!

[@olsaffa7679]

Anyone else tired of the rest of NZ being blamed for part Maori people today committing crime? And why do so many of these people go with the gangster culture?

[@denyswoodroffe490]

This is a good idea, this really needs sorting out. A system has developed into so few are running third country.

[@shanehintz4934]

Sir apirana ngata,I’d like to here what he would say

[@TheShadowphant]

woke woke woke

[@user-dv6rr5ld4m]

Sorry David I tend to disagree with some of your views on co-governance. The interviewer made some very truthful points on this in regards to the treatment of Maori and the treaty. He's done his homework and knew what he was talking about.

[@marymartin806]

I like this David. I don't like all your ideas/policies (esp the ones on covid) but this is sensible, thank you. We are ONE people with lots of diversity. Please stop dividing us.

[@hatupaoraolsen-mcgarvey2700]

Yeah lets be all one people...lets all be white....l can here the violins playing lol

[@askay2k]

Supporting David on this topic.

[@carinya18]

How much of what someone else has worked for translates into equity?

[@andreatodd3095]

Everyone finds their own equity it's there, don't blame those who have, for what you aren't prepared to do for yourself.

[@jackitt4883]

this guy has it sorted...

[@mobbarley7517]

Maori have had the same rights Jack just because they have worse outcomes a lot of the time due to poor personal choices doesn't mean they have less rights, stop making excuses for a lack of personal responsibility.

[@ValarieNZ]

Since when?

[@HenrythePaleoGuy]

And why do they tend to make poorer life choices? Oh, almost as if generational harm has been done, the effects of which are still being felt in a great many communities.

[@softwareofexcellence]

Whatever the cause of worse outcomes, the solution should not be to relatively disenfranchise most voters. Also, whoever said superenfranchising the target population will improve outcomes anyway?

[@mobbarley7517]

@@HenrythePaleoGuy and here you are making excuses for poor personal choices again, take responsibility and make better choices it's that simple

[@HenrythePaleoGuy]

@@mobbarley7517 I'm not giving an excuse for their behaviour, I'm explaining why more of said "poor choices" are done by Maori. There needs to be a great deal more work involved in regards to rehabilitating and uplifting communities, otherwise, this cycle will continue to perpetuate itself. Poverty is intrinsically linked to crime.

[@john23402]

It is puzzling how modern and ancient cultures can co-govern a country.