The Attack on Western Values

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[@tonyclack5901]

Can I ask Professor Starkey one question please as an historian. Why are we bombarded by the suffering and deaths of jews at the hands of the zazi's to the point that we have world holocaust day but never a mention of the Holodomor who's estimates of people who died at its hand to be pretty much equal to the same number of the holocaust?regards Tony Clack

[@shaiaheyes2c41]

Thank you David Starkey.

[@glennewell2436]

John reminds me of my university days were we had to endure lectures by brilliant people who just couldn't' speak from the stage. It also reminds me how lucky we are in the UK to have David who is both brilliant and rapaciously erudite.

[@VLove-CFII]

Brilliant? He sounds like he is on the verge of dementia.

[@lalaholland5929]

Speaking out to Canada, too.

[@SG-ug9xj]

Different styles, thats all. Across the pond, Starkey comes off like a long winded blow hard. He's clearly not a blow hard. He's everything you said he is and more, but he may be considered that way in American culture. Victor Davis Hanson is probably more likened to Starkey , as far as articulating his points intelligently, but honestly i'll take a man as he is, if he has something valid to share. "so called" intellectuals, with their superiority to bumpkins like Trump, who brought us lockdowns and covid shots.

[@glennewell2436]

Point taken, but, don't agree about Trump. It wasn't that Trump was a bumkin who allowed the 'intellectuals' to run the world into the ground, it was that he renounced his executive power to a 'scientific' faction at a time of crisis.

[@SG-ug9xj]

@@glennewell2436 Yeah but at the time, he originally called it out for what it was. A Hoax. The "scientific faction" at the time were still regarded throughout most of the country as credible medical scientists. not the political scientists, and far left politicians that we now know they are today. you had the massive death tolls in Italy being reported every day in the news. Trump had no reason to suspect Italian medical scientists were liars. He reluctantly felt he had to act. he even said that as he was making policy based on "scientific expertise".

[@carmenfoster6912]

I love Dr.Starkey! A more brilliant mind you cannot find anywhere!!!

[@sarahblunt1098]

I have been saving this debate for when I can listen without interruptions. Dr Starkey never ceases to amaze me in the wonderment of having such a memory in his field of expertise. My brain has turned into a sieve, *except* the rememberance of being born into a free country which is fast becoming a totalitarian regime. We, collectively can change politics and parliament, our only nemesis is that we're too scared to vote anything else other than what our parents and grandparents have voted.

[@shauntempley9757]

It is not in fact totalitarian. The only thing that is happening, is that all communities that the majority ignored, are recognised now. It has the flavour of totalitarian, because those ignored communities ended up doing that to protect themselves from persecution, since the laws once protected the persecutors, not the persecuted. They also did that to stop government agents and criminal organisations from infiltrating them, which many do not know about. They all have the right to take part in all legal activities that the majority enjoyed. If normal people did not recognise that right, nothing would change.

[@aaronwalderslade]

Thank you David

[@coniwatson9512]

Trying to keep history alive. Thank you gentlemen.

[@rubbishopinions6468]

Starkey begins at 4:20. No that's not a joke.

[@shaiaheyes2c41]

5:51 such synchronicity, I read about him in a Norwegian paper earlier this morning.

[@emptyboat8644]

Thank you for all these wonderful videos.

[@Thomasyouareclearandbeau-td4ox]

Well done David you speak for all

[@TC-cd5fh]

Another top notch lecture/talk. Pleas e keep it up DS - and no innuendo about what that means!

[@lebedev63]

Bloody brilliant. If only the Cabinet were made up of such minds.

[@wakeupuk3860]

As once a troubled teenager, who was not too bright and left school with very low qualifications but for the next twenty years studied very much and managed to get a reasonable Maths degree, so he could teach Maths and Science, then went on for the next twenty years to teach IT to adults at very high levels, visited many companies here and in Europe to meet, train and discuss very high level multinational projects with CEOs plus travel a great deal to many countries in non-tourist areas - I feel I am fairly well qualified to comment on people's intelligence, capabilities and the benefit they can bring the world. David Starkey who I have observed and enjoyed watching over the years he has been in the public eye, is without doubt in my opinion the 'highest' individual in those three qualities. But this possible 'fawning' type praise is not my point, is that Starkey shows sadly the decline of so much western intelligence, capabilities and benefit that once was in far more evidence than it is currently is now. We may have a far better technological edge than a hundred years ago but I would bet a lot of money that David Starkey would not stand out as much as he does now, especially in our once centres of learning and excellence, he would be the 'norm' in such bastions of education. No disrespect to the American who followed him, but right from the start we could tell in no way did he match the 'master' who came before him. I also believe that at the heart of our problems in this world is no longer have enough people such as David Starkey in the positions of influence and decision-making. Basically, people over the last hundred years have just got less intelligent.

[@achantus1]

Absolutely correct. Where have all the intellectual giants gone? Almost all great thinkers of the 20th century were educated before 2WW. The educational system more or less collapsed after the war. University education for everybody was not a good idea. Many that now holds masters degrees would't even have qualified for university studies in lets say 1910 or 1930.

[@alisonrogerson3143]

I totally agree. It’s both sad and worrying

[@caractacus22]

Absolutely!

[@TeaParty1776]

Basically , people over the last hundred years have just got less respectful of intelligence.

[@danielgregg2530]

Yes, you are surely just a misunderstood prodigy.

[@AntPDC]

John Fonte is one of those many American academics who harbour a rather resentful chippiness with regard to England. His defensiveness is palpable when it comes to America's responsibility for exporting pernicious woke ideas to the rest of the West, along with BS corporate-speak - a language intended to obscure meaning, truth and honesty in pursuit of corporate greed. He reminds me of a concert I attended at Chatsworth House in Derbyshire, England, which concluded with the British National Anthem. To the great embarrassment of his English hosts, an American academic around the same age as Fonte tried to sing the US National Anthem over it - like an angry little child. The looks he got quickly shut him down, but his puerile sentiments are shared by many Americans like him.

[@KnellofPartingDay]

Americans aren’t especially bright, unfortunately.

[@dragonclaws9367]

That isn't the national anthem of the US. That's My Country tis of thee... The national anthem is The star spangled banner. He must be dull. ❤ from 🇺🇸.

[@juliaday2974]

Wonderful discussion

[@bfree2speak_freely48]

Fabulous discussion!

[@Pwwh0711]

DS great as always...pity about the other two!

[@notlimey]

I think David Starkey is correct about 'liberalism being embedded in the origins of the United States. The Canadian political philosopher George Grant made that point in his 1963 book, Lament for a Nation - written about Canada but any writing about Canada must involve the U.S. I also fear a new civil war there.

[@januarysson5633]

But then how do you explain how wokeism has progressed much faster in Britain and Canada than in the US? Where are the British and Canadian Donald Trumps, Ron Pauls and Ron De Santises? Why doesn’t a so-called conservative like Boris push back on wokeness?

[@baigandinel7956]

A lie has increasingly crept up that it was solely about liberalism. Historically illiterate people today act like conservatives came from Russia, outer space, or straight from the Third Reich. Generally, no. It's homegrown American conservatism.

[@danielgregg2530]

A war between those who care about other people against those who do not?

[@notlimey]

@@danielgregg2530 Too general a statement to elicit any sort of comment. Give me evidence in historical context of who you mean, when, which groups, where and so on. . I was referring to the extreme statements coming from the far Left and far Right in that country. Some say it is social media that is causing this, which seems probable. On the one hand you have the so-called 'woke' such as AOC, or critical race theory, or the historically inaccurate 1619 project. On the other side you have talk of red states and blue states and populations moving from one to the other to live in 'freedom'. Wokeism (if it exists as a major force at all) is a danger as the essence of this movement is to quash free speech. But most of what I've heard from organizations such as the Daily Wire ignore inconvenient evidence and plays up convenient evidence. My own experience of ordinary Americans is they are more concerned with living their lives with some chance of earning a decent income and having a comfortable home. Real problems such as poverty get swept aside.

[@danielgregg2530]

@@notlimey You just answered your own question. Some people know they are part of a community, that no one is an island, and we are all in this life together. And so they are even willing to pay some extra taxes to help out everybody else. At least, they don't stand in the way of others trying to improve their lot because of irrational fears and vague negative feelings. They realize that there, but for the grace of God, go I. The others say, "no! Mine!"

[@marieparker3822]

J-P Sartre: 'Evil occurs when the concrete is made abstract'.

[@tombristowe846]

Le Corbusier; "Evil occurs when the abstract is made concrete."

[@januarysson5633]

Isn’t Sartre part of the problem?

[@nevbarnes1034]

@@januarysson5633 IMO Sartre and Le Corbusier are _both_ part of the problem.

[@olympiahendrix4392]

Mr Starky you are so brilliant, we need a transcript to absorb it all. You summarize, analyse and most of us will need to study to catch up with you. A gripping debate filled with expressions, vocabulary much needed to fight the woke. Thank you. Go woke, go broke!!!

[@christopherevans6428]

We are IN Soddom and Gemorah

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Hmm, maybe. Which of us are Lot's daughters, @Christopher Evans , then, in the analogy? Whether 'offered up' or otherwise?

[@jimm7181]

Fantastic talk , but put a tall table beside the podium so the man can drink with out bending down.

[@janes.mclean4475]

If the people who sponsored this lecture could design a Much Better podium, so that a glass of water and a small pitcher of water could be Hidden by a raised front of the podium, then people would not partially hear several blurred sentences by the speaker while he pauses to bend down to get the glass of water and then put it down again. Also, is there Any alternative to the photographer leaping onstage so many times, thereby causing further distractions to people who are focusing on listening to the speech? I put words in capital letters in order to emphasize them.

[@aaronwalderslade]

Great question. Britain is becoming more like your adopted country idea.

[@squirepraggerstope3591]

Interesting duscussion although it seems to me that the two protagonists somtimes talk "at cross purposes". Yet don't realise that they're making very much the same points, but are framing these wrt the very different conceptions that define fundamentally their respective countries' national sense of identity and (yes, each people quite correctly holds that it's true in their case) virtuous exceptionalism. So despite basic value sets that are virtully congruent, in the US it's typically been held to descend from a more morally enlightened AMERICAN appreciation of universal human RIGHTS. While in England, it's been seen far more as the consequence of a purely national propensity to the veneration of custom and defence of/abidance by, a uniquly individualist, 'equal' and libertarian code of LAW. For example, one of the most stereotypical instances of this 'English' outlook was the reply given by General Charles Napier in India to some Hindu Religious who, on one occasion during the early/mid C19th suppression of Suttee by the British, protested that the practice was customary and their religious traditions required it. "Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs." Oddly, despite the absence of any overtly moral appeal and insistence that the English held the relevant universal truths "to be self evident", the priests kindly did NOT insist upon observing their national custom.

[@albertgrant1017]

Well stated !

[@katherinecollins4685]

Really good

[@johnnycage7666]

If there was a debate between Henry Clinton and George Washington 21 century 👍 Glad to see they had a drink after this one.

[@winstonsmith8240]

Been looking at evolution as I get older, ( it's a rip off by the way. 70 years out of 4.5 billion isn't a good deal) and it appears that although we all came from the same source, we've evolved to be very different. Not all insects sting.

[@AngryBootneck]

The DI does a lot of great work, I wonder if they are based out of Hungary because the state would crush them if they operated out of the UK instead?

[@winstonsmith8240]

😂 Fancy finding you here. 🤔

[@jackpatplod174]

Good to see Boots here…. Two of my ‘go-to’ gobshites. I’ve been a fan of DS since I heard him calling out the bollocks on ‘The Moral Maze’ (along with Janet Daly) and I’ve since found Matt and subscribe. A diamond in the rough compared to Starkey and cut from coarser cloth, but spot on as usual. Kudos to you both..

[@AngryBootneck]

@@jackpatplod174 flattery will get you everywhere Jack you smooth talking devil! 😂

[@jackpatplod174]

@Somewhatskeptical Evidence of what? That Matt or DS are gobshites? Or that DS was the out and out star of the Moral Maze?

[@saladinbob]

There are two main reasons why America was particularly susceptible to the new religion of wokism. First is that they lack a sense of self. Only a very small percentage of Americans identify as being "American", rather most are xx-American. A qualifier of where your ancestors came from, e.g. Italian-American. Without a cultural sense of self there is very little to hold on to. The other larger reason is the Right's abandonment of pop culture. This opened up video games, comics, TV, and Cinema to being infiltrated by ideologues and only latterly are they attempting to regain that lost ground. Do not underestimate how much pop culture shapes a young mind, especially to a people who lack their own cultural legends and myths.

[@thehound9638]

In Britain which is ancient all of our old mythology and customs are being diversified anyway. Even Lord the Rings is about to be blackwashed by Amazon!

[@baigandinel7956]

I feel this is a recent trend. Most Americans of older generations identify as simply being American, as that has been the socialization imperative for most of our history. Hyphenated names can make sense for maybe a couple of generations at most, but with so much intermarriage and assimilation over several generations hyphenated names would be nonsensical or unworkable. Despite retaining some consciousness of where some of our particular ancestors may have came from, those are not generally the primary roots that define us, regardless of what we might think about it in fact. But if immigration levels become too high, from cultures too cuturally diverse and different from ours, if assimilation is not encouraged, and history and civics not taught, this can become a problem.

[@MunthuSuper]

Great! I will have to look at more of John Fonte's talks. Interesting!

[@Johnnydazguy]

David mentions that wee and do-do reference every time he speaks.

[@marieparker3822]

Shakespeare's depiction of Richard III is fiction, like his depiction of King Macbeth of Scòtland.

[@grannyannie2948]

Are you referring to the murder of the boys in the tower ? Because it would seem that Richard 3 was responsible. Thomas Moore got the name of the killer Richard 3 hired, from Jane Shore, who was in a position to know at the time, and lived a very long time. Moore's account was dismissed in the early twentieth century as biased, being published in the Tudor era. However, as Starkey pointed out years ago in a documentary, when a man of the same name, I'm sorry I've forgotten it, was brought before the courts, for common burglary, both Henry 7 and Elizabeth of York attended, and the man was sentenced to death. The King and Queen attended despite Elizabeth suffering a difficult pregnancy that would result in her death, and them both being in deep mourning for their eldest son Arthur. If Moore was not correct why were the king and queen so interested in this case.

[@bordersforbritain1295]

Starkey believes Richard was the worst king in English history - without supporting argument. He's a Tudor to his core.

[@docwhat8370]

​@@bordersforbritain1295 The supporting argument is after a complete and total victory he lasted 2 years, spent those 2 years mired in controversy over his role in several murders including of his nephew and rightful King, was deeply unpopular pretty much all round, didn't achieve much else and then got dethroned by a man with the thinnest of claims to the throne after messing up the battle of Bosworth field (in which he had a sizeable numerical advantage and took the field on his own terms). Consequently the House of York and the Plantagenet dynasty were respectively dethroned and ended forever.

[@johnhealy6676]

Starkey is not the greatest speaker but he has the gift Those of a certain age may remember AJP Taylor who was the master

[@juliaday2974]

So sorry for the kids who are woke- no hope bringing them around

[@albertgrant1017]

Well Stated but they must not be able to cancel others !

[@spottymaldoon4427]

You have plenty to eat thanks to someone who doesn't, in developing countries. That is Capitalism at work.

[@januarysson5633]

Can you elaborate?

[@spottymaldoon4427]

@@januarysson5633 No, go figure it out yourself

[@januarysson5633]

@@spottymaldoon4427 I have a feeling I knew what you would say anyway.

[@cellom.9227]

All these words, all this debate and dissection and discussion ... and no concern about our actual home. Climate change will make a mockery of all the old, white men who can't stand change.

[@AndyJarman]

The American constitution starts by declaring what rights people self evidently have. Classical English Liberals would deny there are any rights, inalienable or other. There are only constraints and guarantees of liberty as established by parliamentary debate and judicial precedent set by Common Law.

[@mikemines2931]

Have you read the 'English Bill of Rights'.

[@januarysson5633]

So what about the influence of Christianity on British government institutions? Wouldn’t that have an effect towards a belief in human rights?

[@docwhat8370]

​​@@januarysson5633 Do you mean the influence of Christianity in an individual MP's life? Or the various Christian denominations and their institutional effect?

[@januarysson5633]

@@docwhat8370 I was more thinking of the institutions like the established church, the monarch as head of the church and the bishops of the C of E sitting in the House of Lords.

[@januarysson5633]

@@mikemines2931 I think David Starkey would probably say that the English Bill of Rights was granted by parliament and can be revoked by parliament. Americans truly believe that the rights accorded to them in the Constitution, particularly the Bill of Rights, are God or nature given and government has no right to withdraw them. They are something recognized, not legislated into being. There really is a sense in America (and I write as an American) that to repeal any of these rights would be a heresy against the civil religion.

[@seanfaherty]

Mr Starkey is pretending these attacks are coming from only one side. While I deplore the attempts to force what forms of speech I use I also deplore the idea of sending refugees to Rwanda and the criminalization of protest. Mr Starkey is good at pointing out problems but only if the problems are caused by his political enemies

[@rat_king-]

Human nature truely is unchanging. ancients are the way to repeat. Unchanging and universal rights. Americas issues.

[@rat_king-]

Lost the Localised cultures of britain. the shires etc. the house of lords is the house of buisness, no longer of culture. Where is the Electoral college of the UK? Where is the restating of that british republic-cation idea of starkey? the making of romans out of english? how does one maintain and prevent the battles of woke again. or some other hideous mantra. Is it an electoral college? a stable aristocratic class as in america? the stable education of the polity is gone. that is my contention. Lastly: Republics are for matters and governments in motion. pirates etc. and for failed static states as france.

[@SM-jv5ev]

Americans have no idea what human nature is. Not sure when they will figure out its 'good'. All Native cultures knew this and respected one another. Then came Adam and eve 🙄 and religion

[@rat_king-]

@@SM-jv5ev Well they did copy rome that made the same mistake

[@SM-jv5ev]

@@rat_king- why did KZbin twice remove my comment about African history? Protecting the 👽👽👽

[@SM-jv5ev]

@@rat_king- mmm as long as we are aware of the truth. Try as they might the end of the West is near. It's inevitable. Their karma is too dark to escape

[@renshiwu305]

Just to be clear, "Lennon" means John W., and not Vladimir I.? Guterres was talking about a subject matter pertaining to Russia. Plus, he's a UN functionary, so a communist sympathizer. Hence my confusion.

[@jozefkolbe9003]

David Starkey is a great historian and speaker. I love listening to him, he’s always thought-provoking, but I don’t always agree with him. On the City of God Against the Pagans, which he rightly cites to counter the ridiculous claim that we’re born free, is not a political book, but rather one of Christian philosophy, written in response to pagan allegations that Christianity brought about the decline of Rome. In it, he argues that while attributing the decline to Christianity, the pagans sought refuge in Christian churches when their cities were being sacked (a recurring theme in history). He attributes the longevity of the Roman state (since the founding of the Roman Republic) to Roman virtues and not to pagan gods. We know more or less what these were because Europe cherished them too when it was Christian and great. It is therefore somewhat confusing when David Starkey, who claims to value Augustine’s book, goes on to take the side of the pagans and that other anti-Christian polemicist Edward Gibbon in blaming the Christians (who actually preserved what was truly valuable from our ancient Greek and Roman past) for Rome’s decline and by contrast promoting the silly notion of a “tolerant paganism”. Great polemicists aren’t always right.

[@riffcrescendo1740]

Absolute Sense.

[@tracyshoemake9686]

Western values and morals.Thats funny!

[@UJoyce]

The issue is we don't have enough kids

[@grannyannie2948]

Nor did Rome in the years before they fell to the Barbarians, who were already living in side the city.

[@the_forbinproject2777]

this is true and part of the "plan". the future is your grandchildren or somebody else's. Granny annie has points out this is not the first time nor will it be the last time

[@grannyannie2948]

@@the_forbinproject2777 It certainly is a plan as Mark Steyn wrote decades ago, the future belongs to those who show up. I'm Australian and I believe we are already in a period of global neofeudalism, led by forces actively speaking of a depopulated world where we own nothing. We are taxed to enrich multinationals for green energy, pharmaceuticals, and woke academia. To mention a few. Most of my people have already allowed our government to medically experiment on them. This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang, but a whimper- TS Eliot. I'm sorry if you responded to another comment, I can't see it.

[@the_forbinproject2777]

@@grannyannie2948 it y-t shadow bans again , I see a lot it happening these days - many comments not seen but recorded .

[@grannyannie2948]

@@the_forbinproject2777 Absolutely, so do I.

[@notlimey]

If woke arose from the peculiarities of American history and culture, it is these same peculiarities that will defeat woke - that is, Americans as highly individualistic people will react whereas the other English speaking peoples will not to that degree.

[@SM-jv5ev]

Woke arose from people questioning the economy to learn how it was set up, and that it's rigged. Americans explain this through critical race theory. Recessions don't come from God..

[@Uniqueisnotunique]

Was really turned off by John, he's not generous with giving ground or opening to discussion. He just disagrees with David and then talks until they have to move on, it's not a helpful way to discuss.

[@FiveLiver]

15:32 Though I agree with him generally, I think David will have to find a better refutation of Rousseau than this quote from St Augustine.

[@donalfoley2412]

We are all born that way. Both princes and paupers.

[@brianetchieson5958]

Those mics are inappropriately un-twined.

[@jeffscheiner1553]

Did you have an audience with Herr Orban?

[@GriefTourist]

Yeah yeah everything's everyone else's fault bleat bleat bleat

[@VLove-CFII]

Next time please keep the attendant, who was taking photos and adjusting the video camera, and running up and down the stairs, OUT OF THE VIDEO. SUCH A DISTRACTION!

[@johnhealy6676]

Can anyone tell me which are the emerging nations Pakistan and India have a natural disaster (which is unfortunate) appeal to other countries for help although they are both nuclear powers

[@williamjohnson3093]

I think you could call the woke Post-Modernists

[@syedadeelhussain2691]

A very interesting exposition of political philosophy. Starky is always brilliant and belligerent at the same time ;) Don't agree with the American gentleman who described his nation's founding leaders as the greatest leaders in history.

[@anthonycharlton6311]

what are western values Christian values made in the middle east?

[@mackenziedog1872]

North England has twice the average domestic violence. He ommited toi mention the value of that. My violent against my welsh mother and me by a suit and tie English man gave me radically serious brain injury that's been denied to exist fir seven years. I'm almost dead, but not quite. These are near my last words.

[@LynxSouth]

Wokism does not truly originate in the USA; look into the Frankfurt School, which was in Germany in the 1920s and moved to New York City in the 1930s, particularly Columbia University, where it remains strong. It's one of the schools of thought/sociopolitical movements that Hitler was against (he wasn't always wrong). It's partly Marxist. Wokism is commonly referred to as cultural marxism, and for good reason. It's a variant of Marxism designed to take down Western cultures. Marxist-Leninist-Maoist Thought was the same thing designed to strip the Chinese of their long and noteworthy history. If you read enough about the Cultural Revolution and the Red Guard, the similarities are starkly obvious. About immigration: It's only bicultural for a generation, maybe two. We have a longer history of watching it over and over in the USA. The first generation of adult immigrants arrives and usually does its best to assimilate. The second generation, either arriving as children or born here, is usually bicultural and bilingual. The third generation is typically American. That's for the average immigrants who are OK with their roots in their country of origin but really want to become Americans. There are two main variations on that. First are the ones who are angry at their home countries and do their best to be fully American from the get-go. They usually don't teach their children their own mother tongues and live even their family lives in English, awkward as that may sometimes be. In these families, the second-generation stage above is skipped. Second are the ones who come here mostly for economic reasons and cling to their old culture, often refusing to even try to learn English or assimilate. They frequently speak only their mother tongue at home, and force their children to do so. If financially possible (and safe), they commonly send their children back "home" for vacations as often as possible. In this case, the biculturalism often lasts another generation. It's a different attitude from the immigrants who may visit The Old Country now and again to remain in touch with family. All three groups may identify themselves as Ethnic Group-American, at least in certain situations. Starkey doesn't really know what he's talking about when it comes to this issue.

[@SunofYork]

Tell African Americans that : "About immigration: It's only bicultural for a generation, maybe two. " laugh out loud

[@DanHowardMtl]

Does anyone under 30 talk about this? Nope. We're doomed.

[@Zadir09]

Yes we do, stop making assumptions. A load of my friends all do speak of this. We are just like everyone else, you’d have no idea our political thoughts.

[@DanHowardMtl]

@@Zadir09 Talk is cheap.

[@philipknaggs553]

I Don't know whether Mr. Starkey reads this or any other comment. Nevertheless, what does he think about a political party named " The Charter party"?

[@thehound9638]

He usually doesn't take minor parties seriously. He knows the public will always vote Labour or Tory which is a shame but also a fact. Fringe parties can make good pressure groups but they seldom achieve anything in their own name.

[@bordersforbritain1295]

He still believes in the Conservative Party when it's woke to its core.

[@stevenrowlandson9650]

Western values? What is that?

[@MIKE_THE_BRUMMIE]

Woke I belive should be known as International socialist Identitarians (INSID)

[@adamsomerset9940]

Would this not eschew their capitalist elements and the reality that they represent a number of identitarian positions, depending on what groups they approve of? I like the idea of having a better term for them though.

[@Bytheirfruitsshall]

Are you alluding to insid ious? Woke folks are jokes.

[@Bytheirfruitsshall]

@@adamsomerset9940 As usual, the french have a word for it, Agent Provocateur.

[@MIKE_THE_BRUMMIE]

@@adamsomerset9940 I see the capitalist element similar to the industrialists that through their lot in with the National Socialists and the Socialist component of the woke to be more collectivist centralised authoritarianism. The Socialist part is a means to an end and that end is power. I want a way of truly incapsulating who and what they are, a secular civil religion based in intersectinal, racialist, centralised authoritarianism. So International is more akin to the ideology being more like a religious caliphate or empire. Intersectinal relates to it not jist being racial but also collectivist sexulaity and gender

[@MIKE_THE_BRUMMIE]

@@Bytheirfruitsshall Bingo mate 👍

[@louisalfrednickolasstalwar7554]

While I am an American, I identify with the English form of Conservatism for the very reason that Starkey posits: at the core of the American culture is the premise that "all men are created equal." In order to transcend, both America and Christianity would have to divest itself of this posionous notion.

[@SM-jv5ev]

All men are created equal. I don't know about the aliens. Maybe they think they are better, based on slavery 🤔 🤡 99% of whites in south africa have mixed dna today, as a result. Colonists were truly savages.

[@docwhat8370]

I would say it's a misunderstanding. Jesus recognises that we are all one with God, we are all of God and he dwells within us. It is our birthright to know him and recognise him in each other. In this we are equal. But Jesus himself was initially concerned primarily with his Jewish brethren over the Gentiles, before recognising God in a Gentile woman. We are born equal but on a purely abstract level, hence the problem with abstraction as a basis of working political systems, they are/should be to deal with the issues of material reality. Abstraction is for philosophers, designers of any description (engineer, fashion etc) and theologians. Trying to bring the abstract and material worlds together is at the core of these disciplines. Think of a car. It exists in abstraction and in the material world. It did not become functional on paper, it became functional when the engine fired up and it drove off. All cars reach a point of equality in abstraction but not the material world save two points, much as humans, birth and death.

[@SM-jv5ev]

@@docwhat8370 also, Jesus was black. People who call themselves white are just albinos. For whatever reason, an albino race was created and this whole story about who they are was manufactured. They even made Jesus white, in order to play along. But Jesus was not albino ✌️

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@docwhat8370 Hmm, that's certainly one way of looking at it. But we got 'removed' from that oneness due to what two semi ignorant humans 'chose' for us in Eden, seemingly. And many Jews were not even convinced by His credentials, meanwhile. Perhaps when certain driving outs, pogroms and an Inquisition occurred, though, He was able to more directly demonstrate the relationship? Then there's all Paul's business about 'natural men' and the 'carnally minded', and Romans 8:30 and 9:12, to possibly muddy the waters a little more, I suppose. Whilst Ham's son and his brethren had marked inequality, as did Gibeonites - for time.

[@docwhat8370]

@@chrissonofpear1384 Ok I don't know what any of that has to do with the point I was making though.

[@davidmorrison2739]

Homogenous or homogeneous?

[@LynxSouth]

Both exist.

[@louisgiokas2206]

The thing that bothers me when Mr. Starkey talks about cultural differences is the experience of people from all cultures when the get to the United States, and indeed to the UK. Even people born in these foreign cultures, then adopt the prevailing ethos of the US or UK. I wish you would address that. I have known Chinese that grew up in Communist China, who lived through the Cultural Revolution, who are staunchly American. How does this happen with your view of cultural difference? All of the people who came to the US in the early 20th century from Southern Europe and Ireland, who came from vastly different cultures, and were initially resisted, became fully American and "Western". They also became successful. My grandparents came from a poor part of Greece with 4th grade educations. They personally were successful. Some of their children went to university. All of their grandchildren did, with many advanced degrees thrown in. How does this fit in with his thesis?

[@joelmanning249]

I think what he’s trying to say is that the values the west posses are deeply rooted in the history of the places they are present and therefore not replicable in others that are fundamentally different. But that doesn’t mean that people cannot adopt themselves into said cultures. But a dominant cultural agreement and understanding must be present for that to work.

[@louisgiokas2206]

@@joelmanning249 I get what you are saying, but there are counter examples. The most important are Japan and Germany after WWII. The circumstances were extreme, but it worked. This is the reason that it did not work in Iraq. The defeat was not as catastrophic.

[@joelmanning249]

@@louisgiokas2206 I mean sure but if the threshold of success is the complete conquest of a country to convert it to our culture then the only way we get the world to progress in our view is through empire and that files in the face of the liberal worldview.

[@effexon]

that's some decades long process with each person but yes it happens, humans are very adaptive and must adapt to get work and eat. Though large scale societal this can have destructive effects as that change is very painful, brutal learning experience.

[@louisgiokas2206]

@@joelmanning249 Well, I don't think that Japan or Germany have been made part of an empire. They have their own ideas. Indeed. South Korea does as well. In fact, the US have good relations with Vietnam. This is not colonialism or imperialism as understood in the 19th or early 20th century.

[@alexhayden2303]

Where there is DIVERSITY, cultural sub groups (e.g. ISLAM.) with a powerful sense of identity, will follow the diktats of their leaders, regardless of how it conflicts with indigenous cultural norms! The Indigenous, becoming a Voting Minority, will be progressively diminished. A country, Canada, Britain, England, America, Sweden, is not a place, it is a people and their history. When you replace the descendants of the population who created this country, you will not have that country anymore. DEMOCRACY only works in a homogeneous culture.

[@SM-jv5ev]

Democracy will only work when inorganic market forces (white privilege and nepotism) are recognized and regulators actively deal with their effects. Symptoms of inorganic market forces gone wild are inflation and recessions. Wake up. Supply and demand aren't the only things moving money in the economy. The economy is a sham at present. This is what non-whites are waking up to. Critical race theory tries to explain this more intellectually.

[@Bytheirfruitsshall]

@@SM-jv5ev Who regulates the regulators

[@SM-jv5ev]

@@Bytheirfruitsshall government. In utopia off course. In reality we first need to decolonise the entire system and create one that actually works for us, based on our culture and beliefs - after independence was gained slavery continued through the economy. We will start rewriting there.

[@Bytheirfruitsshall]

@@SM-jv5ev What is culture but dead people's habits. l don't wish to live in a Necropolis

[@AndyJarman]

Very sad that these Conservatives fail to recognise the distinction between continental, Classical English and Neo-Liberalism. I think David Starkey would find difficulty differentiating between his values and Classical English Liberalism. The idea that Progressivism is a corrosion of society enabled by liberalism is I'll founded. There are well established Maxim's to guard against the ill effects of ideological rationalism David Starkey rails against. Carl Popper's Paradox of Tolerance is a prime example. Liberal tolerance of behaviour should not extend to the intolerant. Applied Critical Theory is a Neo Marxist ideology which has engaged the deligitimising claims of the Post Modernist movement to disqualify liberalism. The defence is available to liberals though. They simply say NO to intolerant claims and views. The idea that words are inherently violent, that women can be born with a penis, are intolerant of the need for open debate and the needs of society to protect its social structure.

[@januarysson5633]

Wokeness comes out of the Frankfurt School of Marxism with its concept of intolerance to any ideas but its own. It owes nothing to belief in fundamental human rights à la the American Constitution because Marxism doesn’t believe in them.

[@sherryd3299]

I loved history until I started watching this boring speech.

[@johnjones6601]

The man barely pauses for breath!

[@DS9TREK]

Starkey isn't a professor

[@Spearsy4964]

No... he's a legend! 😎

[@valerieboots4267]

National Treasure

[@fredflintstone1]

He was until 2015, a visiting professor of the University of Kent.

[@LynxSouth]

@@fredflintstone1 That's not the same as having earned an academic professorship.

[@welshgruff]

Difficult to assess a discussion which gives no definition of basic terms, liberalism, conservatism and wokism mean different things to different people.

[@docwhat8370]

I think Liberalism and Conservatism are effectively the two sides of an adversarial parliamentary system. The foundation of this system is the ability to say "I don't agree, here's why" so that both sides can be backed up by reasoned argument. In the proper formulation of ideas there should always be room to hear both sides and scrutinise the positions freely and without prejudice so you have a full picture and a chance at reaching a point of compromise and/or conciliation. Wokism holds many ideas under its umbrella, sometimes in conflict with each other. It's probably simpler to say that there are two ways to do things in the realm of thought. You either believe in open and free discourse with exchange and scrutiny of ideas, or you don't. Wokism belongs to the groups of thought that try to compel others to conform to their own views and opinions without opening them up to scrutiny and having to argue the validity of said views and opinions. What we can throw in to the mix is increased partisanship and 'sticking to one's own' in terms of thought and group which strangling the life out of free and open debate and seeking both sides to control what constitutes 'free speech'. For me the argument should not primarily be for what someone's opinion is, but the right to articulate and voice that opinion in the manner you deem fit and to show respect and openness to everyone else wishing to do the same. All of the above turns on the ability of individuals to humble themselves to the fact they may be wrong or their formed opinion is somehow prejudiced to their own biases or simply is just incomplete somehow. There doesn't seem to be a lot of humility around these days but that's a can of worms for another conversation!

[@bcazz5202]

I never disliked a man more than this one when he boils down women having some power in their lives to "allowing women to wear mini skirts". Accomplished women in Afghanistan are now being forced under the veil and locked in their homes. The consequences of standing against such orders are extreme. I shall no longer listen to such a shallow thinker as this man.

[@damianop100]

That would be an unfortunate and unproductive move on your part, I believe. Keep listening. He makes many good points and is able to provocatively connect many dots. He may dislike many aspects of contemporary feminism, but don't throw him out altogether. That would be a mistake.

[@shauntempley9757]

Is the above wrong? I can tell you the typer is right, and not just on that topic. He fails to understand what woke is all about. It is about an historical shift of society, needed, because the only ones that have the money and resources to tap in the West at this point, are all the very communities that they rejected and kicked out, and banned from participating in the decisions, and hunted and persecuted without measure. @@damianop100

[@louisgiokas2206]

Mr. Starkey, your characterization of the invasion of Afghanistan is totally fatuous. I lived through that in the US. The invasion of Afghanistan was only justified because Osama Bin Laden had been hosted there and planned 9/11 from there. Afghanistan had become a haven for terrorist organizations. In fact, since the US withdrawal, it has become so again. Such comments are beneath you. I really love your content, but I also see a very anti-American tilt to them. I guess that is because the United States is the first major British possession to break away from Britian. Sounds like sour grapes to me.

[@CloudyMcCloud00]

A "genuinely democratic monarchy". Oh dear -- a genuine oxymoron at the very end (from David). Shame. A mostly very illuminating discussion, otherwise.

[@danremenyi1179]

Starkey is very good but he is getting old. It is a pity that he hasn't listen carefully to the argument for Woke. He seems to only be concerned with the crudest implementation of Woke. It is just like saying that Conservatism is rubbish because of what BOJO says. There is much more to Woke than "Transism"!

[@docwhat8370]

No but the argument that a woman can have a penis is out of the woke movement and it's patently absurd primarily in language. Language is supposed to signpost what something IS. It is supposed to illuminate not obfuscate. Water the word does not explain water the thing, much like human does not explain every person. Woman and man are clearly designed to imply the binary reproductive nature of males and females of the human species. To say a woman can have a penis is a clear infringement on the established boundaries implied by the word 'woman', so much so in fact as to render it meaningless. Limitation and discriminating out what something is NOT is as important to lending meaning to a word as what it is. If something can be anything, it's by definition also nothing. Having specific terms helps people understand the difference between what something is and is not. A trans-woman is not a woman, they're a trans-woman. The problem is clearly in insisting 'Trans-women are women' they are not. To your other point the woke movement undoubtedly has people who are trying to make a positive difference in terms of people being a bit nicer to one another. However brow beating people into that opinion under, sometimes extraordinary, duress and imposing cancel culture punishments and censorship is no way to advance that cause in a positive, stable and lasting manner.

[@danielgregg2530]

What does he mean by "wokism"? I don't go in for right-wing extremist propaganda, and this expression seems to be a creation of that ilk. But the more I consider it as I look at this video, isn't this just the early 21st century word for, "witchcraft"?

[@octavianpopescu4776]

Wokism comes from the word "woke", which is a black American (AAVE) way of saying awake. It originally meant people who were aware of social issues, like racism. Originally it was used by the left, but later the right took the term to mean any loud-mouth leftist (seen as blue haired, fat, feminist who does nothing but attend protests and scream racism and homophobia). Wokism would mean something like: calling everything -ist or -phobic and supportive of left-wing values and ideas and their corresponding progressive ideas/agenda.

[@danielgregg2530]

@@octavianpopescu4776 So, I was right.

[@octavianpopescu4776]

@@danielgregg2530 Yes... one of their guys even said he intended to basically hijack certain terms and turn them into something negative to be used to shape public discourse, like CRT. So this use of specific terms like woke or CRT is deliberate, it's not some coincidence.