How Does MSI Keep Coming Up With These?

[@rambow70]

Crazy how much work went into designing that. Impressively packaged!

[@slowlanegamer]

It is cool and compact for the time and MSI really does some interesting things that wouldn’t be done otherwise, but essentially this is a laptop yea? 🤔 Just more expensive and with out the screen or portability 😅

[@Harry830]

@@slowlanegamer well yeah , but i can think that it would be quite difficult to put a mini itx case in that form factor and the desktop grade solution would require more cooling

[@joshemminger9022]

@@slowlanegamer This was back when the equivalent laptop cpu would have been 2 cores and 4 threads vs the 4 cores and 8 threads this cpu has.

[@perry92964]

it looks like they were going for a console look

[@jamesnguyen7069]

copied apple 😂

[@djstarion]

Apple: "Let's make a high end PC that looks like a garbage can!" MSI: "See that oscillating floor fan in the corner? BOY DO I HAVE AN IDEA"

[@inqizzo]

Guys, upvote this comment, this needs to be on the top

[@legallyfree2955]

Every other computer manufacturer: Rectangle brick again? Every other computer manufacturer's accountants: Would doing it different cost more? Every other computer manufacturer: Well, not if we rip off someone elses idea? Every other computer manufacturers legal team: Yeah no, we would usually rip off Apple but they are very litigious Every other computer manufacturer, their accountants and their legal team: So... Rectangular brick it is! Every other computer manufacturer's case design team: Don't want us to do anything? Every other computer manufacturer: Yeah, head down to the scrap yard, find some pieces of colorful plastic and hot glue them to the sides of the cases in an artistic manner Every other computer manufacturer's case design team: Hot glue? Every other computer manufacturer: You're right, far too durable, get some really tiny, really fragile plastic clips, and clip the bits plastic scrap on in a way that they will snap off the first time the user tries to upgrade their ram.

[@whohan779]

@Ursulpolal It better be, otherwise the video would be… well… private.

[@vitinhx794]

I have an idea to transform a trash can into a very very expensive product - said Apple in 2013

[@TheCampervanBuilder]

Forgetting their many foibles, MSI certainly do make some unique/wacky machine cases

[@ACurbo]

I’ve had a Trident X for 4 years. Managed to shoehorn a 750W psu and a 3080 into it. Performance and thermals are outstanding in a system that’s smaller than a PS5. PWM broke on it within the first 2 weeks, so it’s noisier than an angry Italian mother in law, but I still love it

[@Gatorade69]

I have always kind of avoided MSI and chose brands like Asus (lol). I have a MSI built 3070 and It's pretty well built, also have a MSI monitor (though It's only 1080p) but It's a pretty decent monitor (high refresh rate, lots of options, easy to use nub for the menus) The first MSI items I have ever owned and they're good.

[@originalityisdead.9513]

​@Gatorade69 Asus GPU'S have been the best I've ever owned, they're two expensive though. MSI haven't been on top form for years, their old MSI Lighting GPU'S were the best you could buy. The only 3090 i could get was the MSI Gaming X Trio and its an absolute joke compared to other 3090'S, low boost clock, bad OC, power limited, adjusting the power limit and Voltage makes no difference whatsoever and it also makes an awful racket compared to my Gigabyte 4090 and to make matter worse the temps aren't all that good.

[@omarfouda1994]

GPU got hotter because the fan takes feedback off the cpu temp and cpu temp getting lower doesn't trigger the high speed fan It is not the mistake of the thermal paste application 😁

[@HansenLaMoose]

would this have been done on purpose or is this just a one off mistake possibly?

[@omarfouda1994]

@@HansenLaMoose there's no mistake here, after repasting both temperatures are ok, also all motherboards' BIOS use CPU temp to control fan speed that's standard, having a single blower fan to pull air cooling both components is intresting but not very effective as it won't account for wierd scenarios of high gpu usage and low cpu usage leading gpu to get hot, if it was my system I would definitely use fan control app to control fan based on gpu temp to fix the issue. In the end if it's your system you take care of yourself (repaste, control fans, undervolt, remove bloat, maybe even removing some panels to help) Always take care of yourself

[@CarbonPanther]

I wish we could've seen if the GPU was boosting higher as well, usually of course if there's more thermal headroom the GPU also attempts to clock higher which might lead to similar noise levels but also higher performance!

[@amnottabs]

@@CarbonPanther it was the same (13:48 vs 15:05)

[@MandoMTL]

That is dumb as all hell, but the easiest method of thermal control.

[@RaptorJesus.]

2:44 i love how he says "down here next to the pube" like its a perfectly ordinary feature. XD

[@metric_lol]

I clicked on this video thinking MSI made a air fryer 💀💀💀

[@justin_lee3005]

I was thinking air purifier lol

[@scarecrow5848]

Someone who's watched this atleast four times: with how bad the thermals were? I mean...

[@hamcillus6678]

You are mostly correct. It does fry air.

[@meowritz]

Wow Carey Holzman, i literally used to watch him back in like 2013 when i was building my first PC

[@YuProducciones]

the best tutorials EVER, master Yoda, his way of teaching its amazing. huge fan of Carey

[@finr0y]

I saw the logo and couldn't believe it lol

[@AdamNeal]

Wow! I saw Carey's logo and briefly thought there might be a collaboration. I've subbed to his channel for YEARS and he has helped me rescue many PC's from the e-waste bin, especially during COVID.

[@hippolyte09]

Carey's channel is what got me confident enough into building my own PCs (and now friends PCs). The detailing of his buil videos/streams is seecond to none.

[@finr0y]

I was so hyped for a second lmao

[@jabezhane]

Always amazes me how lazy people are with their Ebay sales. I always make sure everything I sell is wiped spotless and dust free, even for the sales pics. Crazy.

[@volvo09]

Yeah, that's just lazy. I haven't sold anything yet, but it would never be covered with pubes and candy...

[@demontekdigital]

Agreed. It's a total lack of respect for both self, and others. If I were selling something I'd clean it well enough to make the buyer question if the product is brand new, or not.

[@jabezhane]

@@demontekdigital Exactly! You look at all the filthy examples. Clean yours nicely and put it on 25% more than the rest. Sold! 5 minutes of effort for extra £$€

[@MandoMTL]

People are generally slobs.

[@TKIvanov]

Saaaame. Most of the time, if im selling something it looks better than 80% of the time I was using it 😂

[@CareyHolzman]

Worth it! Thanks Dawid!

[@MrAshleyR]

If I sold a PC, I'd at least get my pubes off it first. Shit's embarrassing - even for eBay.

[@AnnaDoes]

😅

[@zepo82]

I'm quite sure at this point some people pay extra on Ebay by pube count...each to their own

[@First-Name_Last-Name]

It's free gift, that could also end up as a gift that keeps on giving

[@abnormallynormal8823]

You over estimate both the hygiene and the compassion people have for someone they’ve never met , and will never meet.

[@kurjategija]

...why would you have pubes on your PC?

[@breademoji]

Always thought this case was so neat in spite of the operating temp compromises. I was surprised to see how much can be upgraded here too, you should do a follow up where you add a 7900K and a more recent MXM card!

[@automotiveenthusiast1160]

"And down next here next to the pube...." that had me cracking up

[@patricktrakzel9657]

Perfectly normal location on a product from Ebay.

[@iangamer5648]

it actually performs much better than I expected

[@colestowing8695]

Props to Cary Holzman... one of the o.g. "screw it.....just film in your kitchen" youtubers

[@Jason89218]

Ahhh yes! Thank you for the frametime graph. It helps us see frame drops and hitches that we don't get to experience first hand.

[@Jwellsuhhuh]

Doesn’t the frame rate graph show the exact same thing but inverted

[@maewemeetagain]

you know, the sponsor from deepcool really does urge me to say that the AK620 is utterly insane for the price. i've been using it on my 7700X where it's really shining, and i've heard good things about how it deals with the similarly monstrous heat of the high end alder/raptor lake CPUs, too. best value dual-tower on the market right now

[@ScavengerFX]

I'm using that same cooler on my 5800x3d and my friend's 7800x3d. Such a monster cooler.

[@MandoMTL]

Thermalright is also great price/performance.

[@alexanderunknown8605]

AG620 for value ftw!

[@sebastianangeles]

Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE wants a word with you

[@allennugent9139]

Despite the PIA it is to take apart, it is kinda impressive for how old it is and upgradable

[@JinghisKhan]

Semi-upgradeable. The GPU would be nearly impossible to source, and I REALLY would not want to risk a 7th Gen i9 in there given the passive cooling, but you can add RAM and storage fairly easily.

[@GalironRunner]

@@JinghisKhan oh mxm cards are easy to find its the compatibility thats an issue just being an mxm or even the correct mxm version doesnt mean it will work. I have a few older alienwares with mxm some for example will not work with any amd cards if it came with intel same with any amd based units and nvidia cards. Now its possible theres a workaround but ive noticed mxm systems often have some limitations on card usage plus the cost. a 10series or higher is often at or more then a current desktop version cost wise ie a 1070 may cost 300+ and may not even work.

[@BenState]

@@GalironRunner bios whitelisting

[@fksllil4068]

David taught me so much about MSI that it felt like MSI was coming inside of me

[@brianj1r144]

🙌🙌🙌

[@masterswords7202]

That... that's so sus beyond regular levels

[@THE_CARBON]

🤨

[@karldavid7794]

📸🤨

[@emlyndewar]

🤔

[@richardsandson]

R&D costs for this must have been substantial. Certainly one of the more interesting designs.

[@Incommensurabilities]

Do you think more than any of the gaming laptops MSI makes?

[@richardsandson]

@@Incommensurabilities Honestly, it would be tough know for sure buddy. However, based on the fact that laptop sales outnumber desktops 2:1, recouping those design costs would be tougher on this little gem. It's a shame more aftermarket case makers don't get a bit more creative these days though.

[@gantz4u]

you need to go watch a trash can mac tear down. Nothing is impressive besides they figured out how to emulate the trash can apple with even poorer cooling. The magic in the trash can mac is its cooling solution to create that form factor..Also that thing wasnt well received for its minimalist design approach obviously because mac went right back to make square designs. Because more cooler means more better. It sacrifices function for form.

[@BenState]

@@Incommensurabilities res due to retooling

[@kirby1225]

nooooo not the Vileda glows disappeared. Vileda needs to sponsor our boy to get him some new ones

[@sig3ldunc4nI]

The noises he was making while tearing it down made the poor MSI have brothel flashbacks

[@motherflerkentannhauser8152]

Many companies tried these vertical ITX designs back in the 10-series. Somehow only Corsair ONE got refreshed and updated year after year while all the other projects did not survive.

[@Chronologo]

I will always admire the patience on this kind of teardowns and reassembles

[@hartoz]

UPGRADE IT!!! Put a bigger CPU in it, and see if any of the other MXM boards will fit. Will it take a Xeon?

[@CarbonPanther]

Downgrade it! Put the Alienware GPU's with SLI in it xp

[@MandoMTL]

There's no way you're getting a Xeon in that contraption.

[@dagdamar2000]

yes I want to see if this can make Dawid's head explode!!🤣

[@CheapSushi]

@@MandoMTL You can but there's no interesting or better Xeons for that socket in that era, neither in core count, L4 eDRAM, or multiplier overclockability (like previous V1, V2 and V3). The top of the line is the Xeon E3 1280 v5. Anything else needs a different socket. (LGA 1151). The best CPU is the i7 6700K.

[@soulfiregod]

​@@CheapSushiDoesn't the i7-7700K also fit in that socket?

[@kjeeks]

That was a lot of work! thanks Dawid!

[@ZERARCHIVE2023]

The fact that it's passive cooling used in it means this system is IMPRESSIVE

[@MandoMTL]

It's technically not passive at all.

[@TKIvanov]

Its not passive tho. Technically the coolers are but the system isn't.

[@an3k]

If you assign keybinds to "Benchmark" in the Afterburner settings, you can start/stop a benchmark whenever you like and when enabled, it shows you fps for 1%, 0.1% and so on. May be handy.

[@AnnaDoes]

Dam that looked like a nightmare to breakdown

[@ansariaasif6588]

are his stalker or sum??....you're everywhere.

[@ansariaasif6588]

are you his stalker or sum??....you're everywhere.

[@AnnaDoes]

@ haha kind of. I’m his wife. I’ve been in a few videos. I watch and comment on every video for support ❤️

[@ansariaasif6588]

@@AnnaDoes ohh Myy so you're the Anna he talks about ...Sorry My bad

[@Nas_Allie]

Big respect to the KZbinr supporting the cause ❤️

[@adil-blue-blood7626]

hey from morroco I wanted to express my sincerest gratitude for the amazing content you consistently share on your KZbin channel. Your videos have been a constant source of inspiration and entertainment for me, and I truly appreciate the effort and passion you put into each one. Thank you for creating such valuable and enjoyable content

[@PopTickles]

"And down here next to the pube" had me choking but I'm alright now

[@X3nnoha]

Dawid and horrid prebuilts, a special love story

[@trottyong]

“Next to the pube”. This is the best line used in a tech review. EVER!

[@realkekec4028]

I can feel your pain about Vileda.....R.I.P.,where ever they may be :)

[@lemagreengreen]

Wow that is remarkably advanced packaging, I was ready to rip on this thing but... you can't help but be quite impressed.

[@Trusteft]

I think MSI is like the Lancia of computers makers. You have to give it to them for trying.

[@satsumagt5284]

I Think Lancia used to be very good, no?

[@Trusteft]

@@satsumagt5284 No one ever bought a Lancia for the build quality. They bought them for the fun ride and/or the looks.

[@Gatorade69]

Oh man my grandpa used to have a Lancia Beta Montecarlo Spider. I always wanted the car but it needed a lot of work and parts were practically impossible to find here in the US and the car is also incredibly rare here too. The price for parts was also incredibly absurd. It was always under a cover and people would always ask "Is that a DeLorean ?" Or "Is that a Ferrari !?" I think it was actually designed by Pinnifarina. Even if I had got the car I didn't fit in it at all at 6'5 height.

[@alexanderunknown8605]

Lmfao

[@Geheimnis-c2e]

This implies they had a badass range of winning cases MSI 037

[@HaikuOezu]

No way, THE Carey Holzman?? I got the confidence to build my first system in 2014 following one of his videos

[@UnselfishPath]

Ever since I watched your Aegis 3 video I have had a real urge to buy one. I know it's stupid but for some reason I just love that pc!

[@gabest4]

11:00 I've never seen components with holders on the sides before. They aren't just soldered. Even the tiny capacitors have them.

[@HunTaoLee]

Amazing with the 4 x laptop ram slots design! It has to cost a fortune to buy it.

[@mrducky179]

@Nobody Important proprietary ram is a thing? god help us

[@hman6159]

@@mrducky179 at least it’s not soldered down

[@mrducky179]

@@hman6159 tbh soldered memory doesnt make sense beyond slim laptops

[@alexanderunknown8605]

Uppabale ram is always better lol..

[@Nobe_Oddy]

that was one of the most interesting all-in-one cases I've ever seen... I LOVE that you show us these strange, one-off cases (from MSI lol) that were so unique... THANK YOU!!!! :)

[@Nobe_Oddy]

APPLE'S design is WAY BETTER!!! lol

[@AS1CKPANTHER]

I would love to see an upgrade video like the Alienware laptop

[@jeremybeaverson7167]

I want to see him put that 1060 in that Alienware

[@AS1CKPANTHER]

@@jeremybeaverson7167 or pick up a second 1060 mxm card and redo the Alienware

[@jeremybeaverson7167]

@@AS1CKPANTHER we need to know if one works 1st because that’s like a 500$ gpu for some ungodly reason

[@jeremybeaverson7167]

@@AS1CKPANTHER plus I doubt that the 1060 mobile works in sli as the desktop didn’t that was a 70 plus feature for Pascal

[@EJaDav]

I’ll admit, the engineering on this system is genuinely interesting and fascinating. I would have loved one of these back in the day.

[@Axel287]

would've been neat to see you try those laptop gpus from the alienware build from before

[@RomanDrucker]

"....And down here, next to the pube" That got me good lmaoo

[@elliothunter2579]

Ahhh MSI...I wouldn't be surprised if they *actually* summoned a Kraken accidentally whilst doing R&D

[@demontekdigital]

Yeah, but then they'd have to pay Razer royalties, LOL.

[@vincetaylor6126]

when you said, ''next to the pube '' i almost spit my drink out , lol thanks :)

[@SlamFM36]

The level of disappointment when Vileda didn't make their appearance today :(

[@IsaiahBrooks]

This is such a underrated channel, keep making great videos Dawid!

[@puzabangsa8889]

Dawidddd, can you put the gtx 1060 to the alienware laptop to see if it works???? 😗

[@medvejonka746]

Dave is a legend for showing us this stuff, absolutely love it, dropped everything i was doing to check this one

[@GTArajgaming]

I'm surprised that you didn't overclock the GPU for that extra 2FPS of POWAH or even attempt to overclock the CPU

[@daviddouillet4138]

Been watching Carey for ages (his cloning vids are the best), keep up the mutual bumps

[@bookedsam]

Phhhh, at least the apple trash can could actually hold trash On the plus side, this comes with trash already included inside

[@MaraIndigoJade]

10:03 A wild Hecklefish has appeared!

[@skeay_]

Keep up the amazing work ❤

[@Dark.Shingo]

-Mom, mom, let's buy this subwoofer! -No, we got a subwoofer at home. The subwoofer at home:

[@_pawe9237]

Apple trashcan counterfit?

[@eee1200]

Lol

[@usernotfound-h2v]

Nice,i guess anything that has the physical shape of an apple product is considered to be counterfit. I guess all laptops are counterfit too

[@dickdickling9389]

@@usernotfound-h2v Brother you reedin too deep

[@MrTefe]

every apple product is a trashcan

[@nepp-]

@@MrTefe true

[@aldenp547]

great video! I can’t wait for the upgrade video with the splosion cam!

[@konrad999999]

This system has piqued my interest. I wonder if they were to make the same system today, what cpu and gpu would they use?

[@little_fluffy_clouds]

An AMD Ryzen laptop 7xxx CPU and a low profile RTX 4060 would be ideal for cool temps and excellent performance. Minisforum already makes an ITX motherboard with an AMD Ryzen laptop grade CPU built-in. It provides excellent performance per watt and runs cool.

[@williamlin5098]

I love Carey Holzmans youtube tech videos.

[@OCONTECH]

OMG SHAGGY ITS BEEN SO LONG, Lets Go!

[@fabricatedego]

Carey is good people love his channel

[@doomslayerclout]

How Msi is more alienwary, than Aleinware ?

[@Gatorade69]

Because Alienware was purchased by Dell. That was when they started going downhill. They used to be pretty cool/unique.

[@TheTiagones]

I was so excited for the Vileda comeback. I was brought to tears at the info they were lost

[@dragos_NBK]

is swear dawid is cursed into breaking every msi product he opens up =))) this is the 2 or 3rd pc from msi i see him break in some way =)))

[@dkinley334]

I love carey holzman, when i first got into being a pc hardware enthusiast i learned a lot about taking apart PCs from him

[@warthunder567]

MSI systems were weird back in the day

[@rc7016]

Big fan Dawid. Keep up the entertaining content.

[@sournugz4722]

This early? It's a crime

[@calcariachimera]

Back sweating anxiety just watching you break it down and build it back up again!

[@LahmacunShovel0]

Love your channel man, great content!

[@LadBooboo]

It might be that the GPU temps were higher after the repaste because the clocks were higher, from the limited few seconds it was on screen i never saw it dip down from 17xx MHz

[@johnjohnhasabashat...2279]

Wow. It looks like the Mandalorian banged an air fryer.

[@amematoi]

0:27 Oh Dawid, I’ve been seeing your videos for a few days now and I had a feeling you’d say that

[@AngelLopez-zy8tu]

ohhh man... you know its a good day wen dawid uploads a new video doing random stuff like this

[@Bill-lt5qf]

if i had to deal with this thing, i would block the airflow from passing through the empty GPU compartment, to hopefully force more air through the important bits.

[@tresnonugroho6397]

0:27 -- Avtomat Kooler 47, for those who were wondering if Dawid was mistaken.

[@MusikPiratCH]

Carey directed me here. Thanks for the video! Carey Holzman once more was proven right that changing the thermal paste doesn't improve the temperature of the CPU! (One of thoes great insights by a pro technician!)

[@Mark-mu4pj]

Very cool PC design, nice for usage of different GPUs slots.

[@raizan1]

I had one if these for the past 4 years gotta say its been a good machine the whole time if had it , Just upgradeded to a Ti5 so mow sadly selling my G65 Vortex

[@inky5168]

Looks like a jousting Knights armour helmet thingy. Got to say I like these little powerhouses. They're not for me, my use, but I do love em

[@stundardutch5320]

I have one with dual gtx 980's and upgraded ram. Needs a good clean every so often other then that it still works perfect.

[@DouglettDD]

i like how under the shell is just 13.7 little metal brackets to hold everything

[@peterparker_hu]

that truck casually driving over your car in cyberpunk just caught me off guard 😆

[@samspencer1085]

Someone should make Dawid's jokes compilation. They are very, very unique.

[@kresimirjurilj4550]

I dont repaste unless the heatsink is cold. GPUs have some kind of dark magic on them being cooler before using whichever paste you use to repaste it with.

[@TheDwarvenDefender]

I can't remember if I never noticed that you didn't have a frametime graph before or if I just thought you preferred it without the graph. In any case, it's very useful as an indicator of consistency and I highly recommend it. Side note: Many games seem to have bad FPS caps, I think...? However, it seems you can use RivaTuner Statistic Server to force a limit that's perfectly smooth.

[@CoccoUri]

I wonder if you could get a 10th gen QTJ2 or QTJ1 (8/16 core) CPU running on this board by modifying the BIOS. These CPUs are laptop bga chips soldered to pcbs that allows them to be installed into LGA 1151 sockets. 🤔

[@Wehiremonkeys]

I have a MSI case which is comparatively normal. For some reason though the Wi-Fi card has two cables going into an inaccessible part of the top of the case, I can only assume these are the antennas as there's none on the back.

[@muppen74]

If you connect a vacuum cleaner to the top of the case, maybe you could increase the cooling?

[@chio3208]

I am still rocking this since 2017, happy with 64G ram & M.2

[@gingerboymufc4443]

ive also been using the deep cool 620 for 6 plus months its a bit loud but with some tuning its a near perfect air cooler

[@ArtisChronicles]

Honestly I had to use Gelid Extreme on GPUs to get close to stock temps in the past. The issue I'd usually have with this is it would maintain those temps for about a year before slowly climbing again. I'm tempted to try something else eventually.

[@PatrickDAllen1]

I have a ten year old MSI GE 70C that is still running beautiful with zero upgrades on it. I love that thing. It's been a tank (I've dropped it close to a dozen times and all the original hardware still works perfectly). It is no longer my main laptop, but I use it a lot still and it runs beautifully. They don't build gaming tech like this any more...

[@gamebuster800]

I remember that! It really came out around the time the trashcan came out. I really liked it

[@rokocz]

I use AK620 in white colour, thats why I picked it - it looks great although its overkill for my 13400F.

[@stoneostrich129]

Seeing the Deep Cool sponsorship read reminds me, i need to add a couple more fans to my tower.

[@scooter2978]

That is a good question