DCS Dogfighting: Pimax VR Light vs Head Trackers

[@nicolaspetersen6847]

Fuckin jacked bro, something strange about seeing a dude like you playing such an on depth game tho lol

[@wildbillkelso2083]

We are a nutty bunch. Skil's been gaming for over 30 years, so yeah, every age loves it.😄I was blessed with being able to fly real stuff for 46 years. The sim gear is cheaper and reduces the funk of not flying anymore.

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

You say that like body building youtubers who don't cover eany type of fitness are not common on yiooutube these days... Like stwar wars theory just a star wars tube legend who does all the start wars tube things and even owns an iRL lightsaber brand that is easly the best one... Has never vovered the IRL sprt of light siber battles/deuls or any type of star wars imspeared fitness not even just mediation... So yeah if Atar wars theory the bioggest star wars tuber is jacked then how is a Flight sim enthuist funny when it's common for pilots to be jacked even if most are very much not that even Fighter pilotw dispuite how taxing the job is on the body do to puylling so many gs for so long so often... Like lifting a metric ton when you pull a sustained 9g turn and if your an ace who loves to high gs all the time very day... Is not easy yet the fitness standard for even those guys is far below the advagre GI role... Like being the dMR or Squad support weapon guy is far more demaned then bieing a fighter pilot despite they don't need to lift a ton all the time only 200 poundw and they have help.... So yeah jacked flight simers are totally normal because jacked fighter pilots are despite not needed the extra weight of those muscles unless you just want to be a show off and make your elf even heavier so you lift more then a metric ton at 9gs...

[@gr-skil]

Im hardly a body building youtuber​!!🤣🤣

[@DavesLittleBits]

Skil doesn't do push ups. He pushes the earth down.

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Hahhaha, I clipped your comment and sent it to Skil. 🤣

[@gr-skil]

Haha!!!🤣🤣

[@aatwinner1377]

Be right back… I’m suddenly motivated to go lift some weights.

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Skil is one of our enforcers. 💪😂

[@gr-skil]

😂😂

[@Chio_OB]

The music wouldn't normally be my style but damn that was frikking good!

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Glad you liked it Chio 😀

[@Maltechr]

The bandages and such increasing on Kelso's goggles, haha.. Great job guys

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Thank you for your comment. We are normally pretty reserved, but decided to yuck it up a bit on this one. 😄

[@gr-skil]

Fantastic job Kelso, love it. Thanks for taking the (looooong) time editing this and puting it all together! Definitely something completely different!!😂

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Thank you Skil. We must do more fun videos. I quite enjoyed doing this one.😃

[@johnwilson2338]

I'd love to be filming you all gyrating and flailing about! And then add my own sound effects and such. It'd be Awesome!

[@wildbillkelso2083]

I removed my audio bits, cause the creaking bones and grunting was loud....missed the gas bubble though. 🤣

[@HEATER_]

Great music gents. I'm still going to hold onto my HT. I know it can be done, but I depend on my keyboard for so much more.

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Thanks Heater. 😃

[@TRS-Tech]

Great music, great air fight AND Mr Phython .... exelent 🙂

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Thank you for the comment @TRS-Tech. Our normal vids are a bit boring. I chose to let go on this one. And Alan was a great musician. Everyone misses him. Checkout the "more" credits.

[@Hosscoller]

I'd love to use VR, but my old neck doesn't have that flexibility anymore. So I'm stuck with TIR, and maybe triple screens one day. Love the Blues, great choice.

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Thank you for the comment Hoss. Then we succeeded in the demonstration. I'm quickly following you in the flexibility department. Triple screens will work though. We hope you enjoyed the video.

[@UkDave3856]

Try XRNecksafer in VR. It’s a game changer for VR dogfights

[@plokkum]

They should introduce VR-only servers.

[@wildbillkelso2083]

DCS is improving VR use in their core updates, which will make all DCS servers work better and better over time.

[@NotKomodogaming111]

Hey I see you do a lot of mod content as was trying to figure out how to put the harm on the a-10 and can’t for the life of me figure it out. Was wondering if you could help?

[@lsdzheeusi]

Buddah Heads BLUES HAD A BABY ... respect! 🍻

[@wildbillkelso2083]

You bet. Alan was a great guy.

[@johnwilson2338]

Nice choices on the music gentlemen (term used loosely of course)!🥳🤙🫡🎊🎉🎶🎶

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Thank you John....Alan was an old school chum.

[@TheSkilledballplaya]

wow the Blues Power..thats my kind of tune..thanks!

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Alan was an old school chum. Sadly he passed away. Check the "more" credits ... his daughter would benefit if you added to your music collection.

[@TheSkilledballplaya]

@@wildbillkelso2083 checking it but cant quite figure it out..how can i add this to to the collection? i need to throw some money to right people this music brings me joy

[@ilejovcevski79]

I don't know who chose the blues for the soundtrack, Kelso or Skil, but kudos!

[@wildbillkelso2083]

I did. Alan was one of my old school chums, RIP Alan. Played with him before he gained fame.

[@ilejovcevski79]

@@wildbillkelso2083 you are a gentleman and man of taste Sir!

[@wildbillkelso2083]

@@ilejovcevski79 Thank you kind sir. I shall show your post to my wife as "proof" 😂

[@ilejovcevski79]

@@wildbillkelso2083 🤘

[@t44e6]

It's awful.

[@RuggedBrotha]

I have to steal like a dope fiend now. I gotta haver them goggles.

[@Laerei]

I played almost two years with head tracker, then I got Quest 3 at the start of december. Bro. It's insane! I got a sore neck from G-forces by whipping my head around. I can't believe how dizzy (but not sick) I can get from acrobatic maneuvers. I love flight simming so much more now. Bit bummed about the lower resolution and worse performance. Meaning I have to plan on some upgrades.

[@wildbillkelso2083]

You will get used to it. They do require a bit more computing power to run smoothly. I can't go back to flat screen any more.

[@sergioesamayoa]

Both used VR !?

[@SolidMikeP]

How do you do guns only dogfight in DCS “instant mission or mission”????

[@A2Moonclaw]

Make the mission yourself if you cant find one in the instant action missions or go onto a multiplayer server that offers it. DCS Dogfighters is the best server for straight up dogfighting. They have 1v1s with guns, 1v1s with guns and fox2s, and even team death match.

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Skil created a little mission with both aircraft, about 10 miles apart.

[@SolidMikeP]

@@A2Moonclaw thank you kind sir

[@SolidMikeP]

@@wildbillkelso2083 much appreciated

[@wildbillkelso2083]

@@SolidMikeP Thank you for your comments Mike 😃

[@Spaatz77]

But, the music, Cap, the music!! Who dat?

[@wildbillkelso2083]

If you click the ...more link above. The music credits are listed there.

[@Pauls_Hi-Jinks]

is it me of does the head tracker seem a lot more smoother with movement and you don't have to turn ya head as much, also damn the pimax is massive n didnt seem as smooth in the movements, hope its well balanced as it looks top heavy, for me if i had to pick from the 2 id go with the head tracker, as it seems more smoother with head movements with less head movement needed n way less bulky on the head, sry pimax,

[@rubiconnn]

VR is a lot more computationally hungry because your GPU has to render the image twice (one for each eye), so you get a much lower framerate. It also requires that the head tracking movement is a 1:1 ratio or else your brain does some weird stuff and it makes you motion sick. Using a classic head tracker means you can adjust the movement ratio so that 45 degrees of head movement means 90 degrees of head movement in game.

[@AndrewMurrell]

VR jitters in vids are due to pulse, muscular action and so on, which is compensated for automatically by the user. You get greater range with head tracking, but 1:1 tracking with VR, greater accuracy, and situational awareness, not to mention, depth perception.

[@Pauls_Hi-Jinks]

thx 4 the info n replys

[@wildbillkelso2083]

The jitters do not appear while you are using VR. They only show in the reprojection of the video onto your recording of flat screen. @AndreMurrell's comment provides further reasons why the recordings appear jittery.

[@Pauls_Hi-Jinks]

@@wildbillkelso2083 yeah all good, thx 4 the info, i still think the head tracker looks the better option for me tho,

[@christophergodawski5663]

Okay, what was the point of this exercise ? Did we need those piercing test tone beeps after enjoying the music (no) ?

[@wildbillkelso2083]

I entirely agree. I'll do better next time.

[@AWJFunk]

How is this a comparison you're both using vr

[@wildbillkelso2083]

The comparison was at the beginning, showing head movement left, right, up, and down. The following rounds were to show what to expect from folk considering VR. Some may not have the neck mobility to effectively use VR. Mostly, just a nutty, fun video.

[@Sevens7N7]

@@wildbillkelso2083 Yes, but the title is Dog Fighting: VR vs Head Trackers. I think there is some expectation (at least on my part, and obviously at least one other person) that there would be some dog fighting using head trackers and VR. Like is it easier with one or the other. Maybe head to head with either head tracking or VR, and then one vs the other.

[@watkinsinc.7147]

😊

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

Also like all modern cosumor XR headsets are vastly supoior to heatracking as you are always facing at the screen not straining you eyes to still focus on it.... Also even just VR headsets let you do much more then just conteroll the camara. In a very novel round about way that never made any sense to be common let along needed andin DCS is outdated and uncompetive now that you can map the same cmara inout to any anolog stick or HAT on your HOTAS... So yeah this is like asking is a golf cart as good as a camery aas a daly car? Which is no not even in a naborhood were it is common to use as it's just a massive county club... But you can have aprefernce for it even if that has to do with a video like this...

[@StephenTurner-sn7eo]

A bit disappointed in this GR vid. Lack of information regarding the TIR setup - flatscreen specs etc. Based on the vid you could be excused coming to the conclusion that flying with a VR headset is always going to ensure a victory over those flying with a headtracking system. I give it a 3 out of 10.

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

I stilkl don't get how on earth did head trackers become industry standard for flight sims over just have a fuintional ccmarea control... Which DCS has now thanks to me for pointing out the obvous that War thunder and IL 2 seekms to hate ignotre for some resasaon... That is Like how Halo CE nmade gamepad support for FPS ganmes work and Haklo wars made gamepad support work for RTSs... Ace combat did that in the '90s with Aircombat but half of flight sims ignore it for some reason like IL2, MSFS 2020/2024 and War thunder preferring the same layout as toy RC planes despite making zero sense for fkight sims outside of plugging in a drone ciontroller... And is objetivly just worse in every way a control sceme can... But some how it's still have tyhe industry with the otghr half being Acecombat and it's clones and Flight sims that out right refuse gamepad support even if it would benefit HOTAS users even more as if every Flight sim had the coonsoleiztion that DCS has. Then the other modern brainb dead trend of having zero HOTAS support despite being the main inoput device people use is beyond me... Also like doews anyone actually like flying with a keybord so much? They always use it evenb if they could easly just use their $1009 HOTAS with less inouts then most gamepads in history? Kinda nit making then HOTAS at all? Like yeah the only flight sims that require heaedtrackinbg are the ones that hate tghe idea of having a functional camre system... Like IL2 grewat battles and War thunder... DCS andMSFS 2-0290/2024 are not that at all they just have bad default klayouts is all... Also like... My guys mapping you camra onto thagt anlog stick/HAT you are not using on your HOTAS is not hard and was the industry standard lonmg before universal plaug and play gamepad was innovated by Microsoft with the Xbox 360 gamepad... And was after it just wasn't possible due to DCS world not having a funstional camara till a few yers ago when I first startes started Covering the sim and was fixed insannly quickly after I made a few videos showcasing the issue and advising ways to fix it... like enable a setting that the dorced disabled for some reason... Any way ED uis by far the biggest devs That's it's obvouse that my humble helped a ton so ED are great Defv who listen to their community when they give them feedback... Idd that people still buy headtracking and tsill say it's needed when the "bug" has been patche3d out years ago... I mean you can preofore it but it not needed anymore at all... Like a Gucci HIOTAS was never needed to beguing with nore are as compative as 2 dcade old Flight sticks like the saitech X52 and the Microosft Sidwer winder FBB Flightstick... Not to mention ED has continued to improve gamepad support so if you still need a kayborad with your set up like you do if if having just a HOTAS... Then you can just use that oover a HOTAS and only misss oyt on immersion and have no negative impact of your gamply or competivness at all.... Soi yeah once that camera setting "bug" was patched you only need a gamepad for DCS world to be the most competive you cab be... And anyone who says otherwise simply is gatekeeping wanting DCS world to stay "pure" and supior mega serous even though it has the most broken arcade options in the entire combat flight sim industry... like only MSFS 2020/2024 has much "worse" arcade settings hwere you can just let the sim fly it's self and you just watch... Whhich to be fair makes a1 tion of sense and is a great ide making the reason why flight sims only now became mainstream. Thanks to fortnight kids wanting more speed and difculty that Fortnight just can;t provide despite them forcing it to go insanely fast... Wjhichhg the issue is the vast maajoity of humanity are unable to fly at all not to mention suck at it... So the inrflux of fortnight kids into AC7,WT and DCS world who are willing to try flight sims is insane to me and a very modern thing... So yeah this is the absulot time to gatekeeping Flight sims by telling people they need nasa grade simuit set up to fly a sim you can can be more cokpetive in with a dual shock ior better cocntroller... Like My guys just because DCS world made you reaklize that planes exsist and is now your whole personality... Does not mean you can bully inditry veterns like me who rember when keyobaord only was the main control sceme for gfliogt sims and was long before HOTAS was a thing just fulk sized Atari 2600 controllers... Bith have been long tossed away buy Joysticks with a ton of inpouts, HOTAS, gamepads and mouse and key borad as well as VR,AR,MR... So yeah prety much RLDR headtracking should have never been common and should now be dead in DCS world after the acamra settinbgs were fixed....

[@t44e6]

What's with the crap music?