DCS: Mirage 2000C Vs F/A-18C Hornet Dogfight

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Hello guys, sorry it has been a while since I uploaded. Been really busy with life, I wanted to bring you guys some content with the Chinese J-11 Vs the F-15 but due to a bug we are doing this instead. I'm here today with Thor who is helping me train with the mirage 2000C in some dogfight training. I'm slowly getting better still have lots of work to do but its deff a very potent dogfighter. Thanks for watching the video guys and thank you for the on going support. Much appreciated.

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[@therealcharliesix7126]

Growling Sidewinder I post something about this, before reading the full post. Lol. Yeah mugs are great. I’ll definitely pick up one.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Michael Williams thanks for supporting the channel man

[@marcosantonio4737]

Salveee direto daqui do Brasil,então,vc poderia trazer lives pilotando o JAS-39 gripen,seria espetacular ver ele nos seus vídeos.

[@therealcharliesix7126]

Growling Sidewinder Do you have a discord or some other way I can send a msg? I’m looking to buy a pc and get into DCS. as a long time fan, and aircraft enthusiast I’d appreciate it if I could ask a few questions.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Michael Williams open video description boss discord link is in there

[@Dcook85]

I feel like I just watched a war crime compilation. Brutal.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

lmao

[@Mamac2006]

tfw can easily shrug off any gory FPS footage, but when i see an aircraft blown up to pieces and hear comments like "pretty sure one of these rounds went right through the cockpit so pilot's brain is splattered all over the 'pit right now" my imagination starts working as if it wasn't a video game

[@akisakis7980]

As a greek guy i see mirage i upvote

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

was also flying under greek colors. Thought i'd show my greek subs some love this time around

[@Theo_Aubusson]

Me too but because i m french^^

[@Mustang_6521]

Don't leave us Indians behind.

[@XimCines]

Don't forget Peruvians too, with have a grudge with Chileans (F-16). Dying to see that too.

[@georgechar1101]

I’m greek too

[@jasonosmond6896]

"How not to fight against a Mirage 2000C, repeated for 30 excruciating minutes"

[@JoJo-vm8vk]

Jason Osmond Made my day 🤣

[@bellator11]

Pretty much. Best way to fight the Mirage in the Hornet is with a very hard initial turn followed by sustained turns at around 340-350 knots, and you should be on the Mirage's six within not too long.

[@tanguygodeau7106]

@@bellator11 I guess you would need to be even slower?

[@bellator11]

@@tanguygodeau7106 In the Hornet around 350 kts seems to be the sweet spot, where'as the Mirage being a delta will want the fight to take place at a higher speed, 450 kts or more.

[@filipvidinovski7960]

@@bellator11 Or simply avoid turning fight altogether, keep climbing and then attack when significantly better thrust to weight ratio does its magic. Repeat until Mirage dies.

[@JoJo-vm8vk]

Mirage tip: if you’re behind your target pulling G and you want to close in, don’t keep the target in the middle of the HUD. The Mirage is bleeding speed above 15 degrees AoA, even with burner. So keep the target just above the HUD or above the canopy bow, so you will keep it in “control position”. When you’re close enough, you can pull AoA to look for a firing solution. 30mm hit hard but it’s low on muzzle velocity. At long range you have to put a lot of lead solution. But inside of 600m (6 o’clock on gun range circle) it’s ok. Also practice your gun firing Vs IA, to get the hang out of gun aiming on the Mirage. You don’t need perform the perfect tracking shot to hit (aligned on the snake and staying on target). You need to put the gun piper on target trajectory and pull the trigger just before he flies by (snap shot). Off course point blank shot solves all problems 😇

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Great tips brother thanks for taking the time to type that up

[@therealwillie]

You should do a couple rounds in one plane and a couple in the other. I would like to have seen how to beat the mirage in the f18. Good vid though!

[@ashsmitty2244]

Brandon Schneider This?

[@yoyoyoyoshua]

Don't merge at high speed. Guy in the Hornet kept flying fast as hell which is a huge mistake in the Hornet. I've had Mirage's on my 6 before and get them off by using my superior AOA at lower speeds to pull away.

[@StoneCoolds]

therealwillie try to force him in a very low high AoA and as low as possible literally almost crashing dont let him gain speed In all other scenarios you are dead, just prolonging your suffering lol

[@TonyRios]

@@yoyoyoyoshua it's part of the show

[@XimCines]

I need to see him fighting with misiles too. Americans have superior radars and misiles but in a dogfight against the Mirage, they are raw meat with a ribbon thrown to a lion. Greetings from Perú (proud Mirage owners).

[@perferre346]

the question we're all wondering after watching this is.... are you guys still friends?? xD

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

ahaha ya bruh we are better friends than ever I think. one day thor will be back to kick my ass.

[@perferre346]

@@GrowlingSidewinder that's the best kind of friend! 😄

[@XimCines]

Just tell him the problems you had to help Thor have a faith in beating the Mirage at least one time. After training with dogfighting I assume you will train with missiles. That will be a complete other animal.

[@Mikplayeur]

@@GrowlingSidewinder Sure! We need that "F-18 VS Mirage" in order to see if F-18 is really able to survive this 30mm sickle. ^^

[@razvansindilaru3099]

Mirage: HELL yeah Hornet:awww shit here we go again

[@HappyFlapps]

To me, the Mirage is the most beautiful aircraft design of all time. Leave it to the French to create something so beautiful, yet so deadly.

[@perfectman3077]

Moist-Mike Tomcat is the most beautiful design, it’s not even close!

[@feliscorax]

PerfectMan Tomcat is ugly AF. Mirage is an elegant airframe, as is the Rafale, but the most beautiful fighter design of all-time is the Supermarine Spitfire. But that’s just my subjective opinion, so you are welcome to yours, too. 🙃

[@feliscorax]

Солнцевская Братва Not in my opinion: it’s too chunky and aggressive looking, which is a fair reflection of the power within that particular airframe. But I prefer the Spitfire for the same reason I prefer a Jaguar saloon to an Audi: the curves give it an almost balletic elegance that is in direct contrast to the Teutonic angularity of the Messerschmitt.

[@aidenperdue4655]

Felis Corax I agree completely with everything stated

[@dongambino5308]

Mirage looks like a wannabe spaceship. Sr71 still leaves me astonished

[@gabrieljohannson6777]

15:51 - 15:55 _"You notice how the pilot never ejects? It's because he's dead."_ followed by a laugh the blood lust is palatable. Love it.

[@Gosub315]

Fun little story. So, I had a friend over as I watched this video, playing on the TV, and when it's over he goes, "Dude, do you realize you were grinning like a little girl the entire time?" I had no idea I was doing that, but THAT'S how much of a kick I get out of these videos. I don't even play the game! I just love watching these videos! "Goddamn that look like it hurt" Loved it!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thats such an awesome comment dude thank you. Its really nice to hear people out there like these videos that much. thank you for sharing. plenty more in store for you down the road brother

[@zhenghe5270]

I agree. I also like the videos.

[@harrisoncarmody6956]

These new slow mo cockpit kill cam shots are awesome

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

always trying new things man. i'll keep them up as long as you guys like em

[@c3f59]

Kudos to Thor, man. He's a trooper, and I would hope to last as long as he does in those dogfights.

[@avidgamer5676]

I'd certainly like to Thor in the Mirage and GS in the Hornet next time.

[@c3f59]

​@@avidgamer5676 +1 from me

[@charalampospeppas7361]

Gotta love the Hellenic Air Force camo! Mirage is istant like ! Good work! Hope we get the m2k5 faster than i expected!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

ya I can't wait for the 5. its going to make the mirage worth flying in BVR again.

[@charalampospeppas7361]

@@GrowlingSidewinder oh definitely !!

[@blayas5239]

Wait, WAIT A SEC!!!.... oh no....ahhhhh, now im hyped, damm.

[@mururoa7024]

Dang! I never thought that little French fighter would bite that hard. Well done!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

neither did I honestly. thanks for watching

[@CMBelite-FR]

it would and the rafale even more lmao

[@mururoa7024]

@@CMBelite-FR I'd like to see the Rafale and the Eurofighter Typhoon in DCS some day. I would definitely buy them. For now this video convinced me to buy the Mirage this weekend.

[@isaalghazi9131]

Thor proves unequivocally that repeating the same mistake multiple times will result in multiple fails. He never climbed or stayed at altitude during the merge. A simple Chandelle off burner would have allowed him to at least maintain turn rate against the Mirage while climbing and gaining potential energy, and probably gain both turn rate and closure on the 6 of his opponent while maintaining his energy. He should never have given altitude advantage to the Mirage, but should have forced the fight into the environment where the F18 excels, and turning/rolling fight where you can wear down the other guy down, bleed his energy, then use the 18's superior nose pointing ability to get the snap shot kill. His attempts at turning the table were totally ineffective because he was defensive, not controlling the fight from an advantageous position. He gave up the fight int he first 5 seconds when he elected to dive instead of climb or turn at the same altitude. Once he allowed the Mirage on his ix, the outcome was totally predictable. This fight should have never dropped below merge altitude, and Thor should have killed the Mirage in under 60 seconds. His initial dive/mistake killed him every time. Repeated mistakes provided repeated fails.

[@astonmartinzz]

Pretty much word for word what I was saying before I saw your comment. Knowledge of your aircraft is key. Knowledge of your opponents aircraft is moreso. Fighting a Mirage fast in a Hornet? Cool...your dead, you just dont know it yet.

[@keithw4039]

Finally an honest reply...stick to cooking.....

[@prasoonshrestha3833]

I might not be the only one who finds Ur tacview more exciting than the cockpit view. Its just so more informative like debriefing in a real airforce! :)

[@HappyFlapps]

19:43 - I can't help but feel sorry for the poor Normies living in that house that Thor's plane ends up obliterating.

[@A7XKoRnRocks1]

Honestly can't wait for the F-16 vs Mirage dogfights.

[@thomasbessis2809]

Me too, the falcon would definitely be a worthy opponent to the mirage; -Better sustained turn rate -Better T/W However not as brutally agile as speed increases and not as good at cutting speed.

[@SFDPSFDP]

@@thomasbessis2809 Could close the gap a little better but I think that the Mirage would still have the advantage in these scenarios.

[@A7XKoRnRocks1]

@@SFDPSFDP In any case the mirage won't be having such an easy day like it's having with the F-18 here, the F-18 had no chance, it tried it's best but failed to get on the 6.

[@Stamatis_Misirlis]

According to real pilots having experience from both Mirage have: - More comfortable seat, allowing drive for hours without fatigue - Better flight at night - Better flight at bad weather - Lower speed stalling F16 have: - Stronger engine

[@hasterion]

@@thomasbessis2809 if the F16 has a better trust to weight ratio ; how come it is not as good as M2000 to regain energy ?

[@tonyHern865]

what really amazed me is your ability to comment the situation during a dog fight

[@keithw4039]

He did it after?

[@Boslandschap1]

Incredible to see and kudos to Thor indeed! Also, the Tacview analysis afterwards is as always much appreciated. I would love to see you in a situation _defending_ against a Mirage attempting to exploit its weaker points and if possible, convert it in a win.

[@9BlueCloud]

33:30 “I gonna hit the brake and he will fly right by”

[@StoneCoolds]

See i told you the Mirage 2000 is the best dogfighter of DCS, it has tons of power turns in a dime, you can bleed energy on a blink of an eye and then just regain it in another blink lol A good f-18 pilot will keep you slow and flat low, there he can grab your 6

[@StoneCoolds]

rossmum do you think it can take on a mirage in a dogfight?

[@marduk87]

@@StoneCoolds only when you take it into vertical. You basicaly rope a dope him using your enormous thrust on full burners.

[@keithw4039]

@@marduk87 and then an f22 or f35 proofs you to oblivion... you guys are.soooooo funny...

[@timbaskett6299]

As a kid, I remember reading an article in an aviation magazine comparing the F-16, MiG-29, and Mirage 2000. I can't remember how many times I read that article!!

[@Bud5150]

As French l'm very happy that a US guy enjoy the Mirage so much! ;o)

[@herrlogan17]

9:14 this is one of the best shot I´ve seen in a combat sim. You literally unzip his wing with your gattling :)

[@karlchilders5420]

The WWII fighter pilots I used to talk with often would describe the various ammo types fired at them. They'd talk about glowing BB's (.30 cal or .50), golf balls (20mm) or tennis balls (30mm). Nobody wanted to get shot at all, but they especially wanted no part of those golf or tennis balls. They had so much energy, they'd rip the plane apart, or of course, the pilot if they were unlucky enough to take such a hit. Those guns were tough enough, now imagine the modern rotary cannons like the GAU-8, or the Mirage's cannons here. I know the GAU-8 isn't air to air, but jesus, imagine seeing that flaming tongue arcing towards your position. I'd probably shit myself..

[@stupidburp]

An A-10 did manage an air to air kill on a Hind helicopter using a GAU-8.

[@sule.A]

@@stupidburp that helicopter became as flat as hind

[@sule.A]

@@stupidburp that helicopter became as flat as hind

[@-rugged-]

Hornet guy's strategy: well that didn't work....let's do it again.

[@horacesaffore9602]

the true definition of insanity

[@XimCines]

I think he thought he was lacking something but couldn't pull it out.

[@HappyFlapps]

22:10 - Quote of the Day - "That's one way to get a Mirage off your tail..." ROFLMFAO!

[@samuelbadger4371]

Weren’t the wild weasels the electronic warfare F-105s? Watched a documentary on them on prime video it was pretty cool.

[@prophd4204]

That supersonic boom at 1:01 was epic!

[@Roushcharged427R]

I learned more about what not not to do and your narrative was informative............ Just getting into the Mirage and you have helped alot.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

glad to be of service.

[@GetRealSin]

Tell him to uninstall. I ll fight him with an F5 and he gets F18... He needs to force 2 circle fights, or horizontal turning fights in general, bleed his energy to 250-300 knots and keep making sustained turns, he has more chances into forcing you into a mistake, also he needs to use high yoyos more, especially when you bleed your energy by pulling the nose up. Most of the times the above tactic will enter a rolling scissors state, which he doesnt really want to be in, BUT you making a mistake has higher chances, plus he could always try to break the scissors by diving and extending and see what to do from there. My 2 cents, love M2k as a Greek, good skin btw :P

[@zeroelus]

Great fighter pairing, loving the electric cake slice content. Keep it up GS.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

zeroelus thanks buddy. Lots more mirage to come soon

[@ashsmitty2244]

There he is! Nope, that was some fluff on my screen.

[@joaopaulogalloclaudino9671]

Same XD

[@sam0uraiii]

Nice Job and nice video, love this M2000C.

[@ThePaulv12]

Years ago and I do mean years ago, Jane's F-15 had a remarkably similar gunsight - except it had multiple modes. One was a funnel with the clock at the end, another was near identical to the mirage here (iirc) and the other was without and only had the clock. Within each mode you could select a sub mode where you could hold down the trigger but the gun wouldn't fire until the clock unwound to the 3 o'clock position and was over the target. It was extremely effective and although the visuals weren't as good as modern day (it still supported 3dFX) the gameplay was about the same. The game imparted rather well the mass of an F-15. It actually felt like a heavy airplane and like a tank when loaded with bombs and external fuel tanks.

[@listeed1995]

Damn, that first kill was satisfying to watch.

[@jimmyrecard6021]

I feel like if this was a super hornet rather than a classic hornet it would have performed much better, great video btw

[@callumwearne7870]

The F18 at certain speeds has very good turn rate in the horizontal turns / not sure if Thor was using that to his advantage though / keep the aircraft where its happy and most manoeuvrable / also maybe not engage in a dive fight with a mirage and i think you could still do some damage with the F 18

[@victor-emmanuel7485]

A delta wing configuration is pure venom combined with fly-by-wire. Fantastic content! Most difficult thing for me is keeping visual, even though I do have very good eyesight. I guess it takes a lot of practice and experience 👍

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Victor-Emmanuel thanks man and yes that was one of the hardest things when I was first learning to dogfight was maintaining visual. Good news it ur right that practice deff helps.

[@nulpointr]

Can’t get enough of this channel

[@Joseph2010MK]

WOW. I really liked the Mirage for a long time, but never thought it could face so greatly an F18 in dogfight. Now I wanna see the Mirage against an F15!

[@kevinferguson7751]

Really enjoyed, the dogfight, the Mirage when used correctly is definitely deadly. As a newbie looking to make a new purchase the Mirage will be on my list. Thanks for a great video.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

kevin ferguson my pleasure Kevin thanks for watching

[@munnumkhalid]

What I have learned from his videos. It's indeed the man behind the gun. No. Matter what jet he flys it makes it look unbeatable.

[@mydoucefrance]

I'm not surprised by this vidéo, Mirage 2000 is known for its higher instantaneous turn rate even with a little less power, his aerodynamics gives it advantage over the majority of 4th generation aircraft. It has the defect of loss energy but it can be also an advantage in dogfight, and his aerodynamic and engine give him the speed quickly. This plane is really a dogfighter, no doubt.

[@STRIDER_503]

He dives, he dives, and he DIVES... Your buddy just won't learn the lesson. :D

[@jra5624]

I don’t play DCS - but I’ve been watching your content for a very long time. In real life the mirage is suuuch a competitor in air to air. The delta wing frame is sooo superior in regards to maneuverability. It’s a beautiful aircraft with excellent capabilities. Love your content. But, as others have mentioned, I’d love to see you switch places during these videos. I want to see how you’d counter the mirages incredible AOA.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thanks so much man, I appreciate your support on the channel and watching the videos, actually I have a video showing me in a hornet against the mirage. here it is kzbin.info/www/bejne/h53UlIihqdWfh6M

[@njenga5]

Always loving,enjoying and learning.Huge thanks.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

my pleasure thank you for watching

[@tenkayruanaya2554]

what about if you fly the hornet . and your friend the mirage ? woult you win to :)

[@ORTHODOX-PATH]

Greek signs on MIRAGE 2000 .HELL YEAH! They know what they do just like you ! +1 Like

[@blayas5239]

I love the delta and delta canards, these concepts provide very unique aerodynamic characteristics!! I think I'll get my flying baguette out of the garage. PS: we need a baguette skin for the m2k

[@dando1523]

there's prolly a mod for that lol

[@sq_paradox]

Even if you are recording in 1080p you'll get much better quality out of youtube if you upload at 1440p. The same goes for people watching on a 1080p monitor, 1440p is much significantly better quality because of the higher bitrate.

[@VasilisFouk]

10 months ago, KZbin recommended me a video about a guy playing a sim game with a Greek Mirage, maybe because I'd watched a few airplane videos, maybe because I'm Greek, maybe both or KZbin was just drunk that day, I don't know. All I know is that I watched the video out of curiosity and got hooked. I've watched all videos since then, even though I don't play the game, I don't play anything that resembles a sim. Now, I'm watching a Mirage video again as a fan of the channel. I've come full circle I guess. :D

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

haha it was probably the mirage vs israeli F-16 video way back. thats the only mirage video i remember making back then. well I've learned a lot about the bird man so much more mirage content to come. i'm sure you enjoyed seeing this video with the greek mirage just shred everything in its path lol. thanks for supporting the channel and watching man. people like you are what keep it going.

[@satish8299]

Amazing the MIrage 2000C is that good, wow.

[@narrativeswar8552]

I wonder what could happen if su-27 and mirage-2000 get into a dog fight. But i guess it would be amaziiiiiiiiiing!!!!

[@venomrushtv9535]

Awesome ! Slow mo kills are great ! And these explanations are as cool as your graphics ahah !

[@smrdamudic47]

Damn, I watch so much of GS video I forgot about social life. But I cant resist it

[@q33nygeronimo16]

excellent! One thinks that the Mirage is sitting inside the cockpit and guiding it. Thankful

[@anatoli25236]

I like this new format with more footage and less tac view. The footage is always more fun to watch and the analysis requires more thinking. I usually loose my attention if the analysis is too long. Very good video as always!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thank you for that feedback i'll keep it in mind

[@deadephe]

As an aviator's son, you are brutal brother.

[@HappyFlapps]

GS - LOVED this video! I do have a suggestion though that might make things even more interesting - You should do "Round Robin" dogfights, where you swap aircraft after every combat. That would go a LONG way to show which pilot had the more developed dogfighting skills.

[@Tejanrocks]

Just a quick question, is it a common courtesy in dcs dogfights to not engage the enemy before you have merged ?

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Tejan Goel in multiplayer no, anything goes, in a 1 on 1 duel yes. U wait to merge and then fights on.

[@willamlambert6812]

I'm f14 tomcat guy but the mirage got my interest I'm seem to like it THANKS FOR ALL YOUR WORK

[@vladvaleriu25]

when they dive like that at 23:50 explain please what "creative" manevouver would put the F-18 at advantage over you. In other words how could he counter so he ends up on your 6 or in a more favorable position. Thanks!

[@panavcreative]

as i see it, probably break the turn drop speed and force the mirage to come down and try and make it turn in slow speeds. Since the Mirage is basically a giant air break, turning it in slow speeds only makes you lose more speed so the FA18 could start doing that and with it's superior turning capabilities at slow speed could turn around the mirage or force the mirage to gain altitude to recover speed and then the Hornet would be right on his tail.

[@noisytwit]

Some creative use of fcs override on the F18 could have helped on a couple of occasions maybe but the Mirage is a true master of high AoA.

[@timsullivan4566]

Thor got hammered! Props to him for sticking it out.

[@andyleuterio1219]

Fantastic kills. Just wondering, what is that snake-y line in the HUD supposed to represent?

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Andy Leuterio thank you. The snake represents predicted bullet trajectory.

[@andyleuterio1219]

Growling Sidewinder awesome! Keep it up. Learning new things from your vids

[@snowshoe3274]

Awesome video, although I still wonder how you're finding anything inside the cockpit with this low gamma setting

[@ACG_Jaydog]

I can't wait for the F-16 vs. Mirage video i'm sure you will be doing in the fall

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

oh man, I have so much F-16 stuff planned don't even get me started

[@jayzx5597]

Cool! Wanna see mirage versus f14 with gun only.

[@camdenmiller7369]

Yeesh that would just be boring after round one.

[@XimCines]

I am dying to see it against a Chilean F-16 with missiles.

[@RicCrouch]

22:38 - From Tactics class: “The Pk of hitting the ground is 1.0”

[@MihalisNavara]

If it was an F16 instead of FA18, the title could be "Just a normal day in the Aegean sky".

[@MemeGnome]

Would be interesting now to see it take on the Su-27.

[@HappyFlapps]

GS - You need to post a follow-up vid to this one. In that fight, YOU fly the F-18 and Thor gets the Mirage. Would love to see what happens then. : D

[@georgemad4145]

Really nice I really don't think about that I would be going to overshoot with su-27 and I was gonna die due to the bleed but now I got a better image of how to handle it better thanks keep that awesome content flowing

[@zaphodt3405]

I should not say this for I can't fly that well but .... that was Thor able :D

[@tarunbasra8230]

Clever

[@SchwarzAA]

15:50 you scared the shit out of me

[@mrshambler23]

Hey man, I have some feedback again. Don't confuse my feedback with negativity though, just considering how to make something that is already great even greater. Just like a previous poster mentioned (therealwillie) I think that the cherry on the topping here would be to end the video by showing the viewer how to beat the Mirage. I have two suggestions on how to do this or at the very least attempt to do this. (1) after the fifth dogfight, take a break and have a debrief with Thor, look at the tacview with him and give him your thoughts. Now fly again and see if he can show signs of improvement. (2) after 5 rounds, switch aircraft and see if you can turn your newly acquired skills and knowledge in the Mirage into an advantage while you fly the F-18.

[@flyermanye105]

You should try same fighter pairing except with BVR

[@G3R3SkYwAlK3R]

Why does he dive every time... Is he a new player to DCS? Or the fa18?

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

I believe hes new. deff something I did when I first started. he learned after this tho that diving is not the solution. although I think his logic was to drag the fight low and make it slow as soon as possible which is logical. he just always died before he could make it slow enough.

[@FoxMikeHotel]

@@GrowlingSidewinder I remember reading on a thread somewhere a greek pilots talking about Mirage vs F16 dogfights, like here at low altitude the F16 has an advantage and retains energy better than the Mirage, so if the fight last for a while the F16 will gain more and more advantage, but with good pilots in both planes, the Mirage will most of the times not let enough time to the F16 to show its advantages. Mirage kinda feels like a double or quits aircraft. By far my favourite fighter

[@G3R3SkYwAlK3R]

​@@GrowlingSidewinder yeah my mathed is stay as long as you can on alttitude and energy.... highground is most of the time a adventage in my opinion....

[@USredflag12]

So not trying to be rude or anything but what was the point of the video then if you're going up against a newbie? Especially one that keeps committing the same mistakes. Are you concluding that the mirage is best dog fighter. Sorry man, not trying to offend at all or taking anything away from the French plane but this is a disappointing match up for me. Your videos and on the fly analysis are always awesome and love watching them. Just this one has too much mirage fan boying with huge driver level mismatches.

[@jcason6295]

Sweet

[@celthyan-music1118]

Hey Sidewinder! This is an excellent video proving that the mirage can still overcome her oponents. Btw I can't load any magics on my 2000 in your Dcs Server. Is this an issue that will be fixed or is it my actual game?

[@GunniesLetsFlyVFR]

Great vid as always. Kinda surprised his tactics didn't change. I thought the F18 would out turn the Mirage. Learnt a lot.

[@dassatisfan]

Cool stuff, subscribed. Actually I don't play DCS, but I find it pretty interesting though

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thank you and welcome to the channel

[@Junker_1]

Great as always. It would be interesting if you did for example 6 rounds and after 3 rounds you switch aircrafts. That way we can see if it is the pilot or the aircraft that is doing the winning.

[@aarifboy]

PAF got 8 JF17Bs two-seater versions this month, huge achievement by Pak lol

[@charles_wipman]

I didn't spect the Mirage to be this good vs an F18 besides that the slightest kiss of a 30mm still a 30mm; good dogfights, were very pimp to see.

[@konfuzon4270]

Addictive stuff! Thanks. Kudos to Thor for his perseverance...

[@Power5]

The mirage is such a sexy plane. Nice to see how deadly it can be in dogfighting. Wish we could get the -5 so it could be a little bit more deadly in the missile engagements.

[@enidra5388]

The 2000 look so cool

[@snakeoo7ca]

As a dedicated DCS F15 pilot.. I personally hate going up against these 2 planes lol

[@videomaniac108]

I love the orange gauge lights and red overhead dome lights in my 370Z, very cozy.

[@UBSORRY]

You are a beast in any jet!!!!!

[@MichaelCarper2]

Request: Mirage 2000C vs F22

[@joesephcorey]

Can we please get a Sidewinder in the Tomcat vs equally skilled Mirage pilot for a guns only fight???

[@postlucid]

Hello Growling - I hope you consider taking on an F 22 in a dogfight with the Mirage. You might be surprised!!

[@XimCines]

An F-22 and a SU-27.

[@Frost-yw9sz]

Does this game uses VR? It looks so natural when your pilot turns it's head around in the cockpit

[@carlosslugo]

God I fucking love that intro!!

[@AbcdEfgh-sq2tf]

10:07 *enemy F-18 approaches* Mirage 2000: Ah shit here we go again