Death Battle Just BROKE THE INTERNET…

[@enate9234]

Fun fact: MORO did the animation for this ALONE. And he did it voluntarily. He's crazy man!😅

[@Aflay1]

Moro is goated. I'm finding this man's channel.

[@UndyingHeart469]

Wait… the guy who was part of Indie Cross??!!

[@enate9234]

@ YEP😁

[@UndyingHeart469]

YOO THATS SICKK!!! BRO HAS COME SO FAR!!

[@isaacthatone]

Cause Moro is the fucking goat!!!!

[@bigfan3522]

I do find it interesting how Sage did successfully predict Bowser would jump into the way of the laser to defend his troops, so she aimed at them instead of at him.

[@snickersnacker4502]

Power of friendship ignored, That does tend to lead to a more damaging attack as well. Since its easier to prep for an attack directed at yourself then one you have to get in the way of.

[@MammalianCreature]

"Shoot lightning at Katara so Zuko hops in the way and gets taken out of the fight" type shit

[@RenegadeRaider-yd2rr]

OOOH so that would assure that bowser would be hit directly?

[@bigfan3522]

@@RenegadeRaider-yd2rr Exactly. If she just aimed at him, he might dodge.

[@nobodys_here07]

She already saw him protecting them against Infinite's gravity manipulation so she probably figured that he would've done the same thing again. You could argue that Bowser Jr. could've also been in the firing range as well.

[@Jakito_0946]

“Bowser can withstand a black hole” Nuxanor: “I can’t believe they’re using game mechanics as feats” “Eggman can withstand a black hole” Nux-pentious: “That’s crazy, how is anyone supposed to beat this man?”

[@determination2485]

Really though

[@michaellatner975]

I mean, he has shown in the past to be biased in the death battles (i think jokingly) ignoring feats certain people have.

[@TherealGirlfriend]

​​@@michaellatner975 I've been watching him for a while and even I noticed that detail about him when it comes to *death battles* Lol it's kinda funny in a way 🤭

[@ZephyrWhisper-cz4vn]

Tf you mean? The game mechanics he was talking about was Quick Time gamble.

[@smg5524]

Nuxanor If you mean eggman alone... Bowser: "maybe you should reconsider." But If you mean both eggman & bowser... billcord (bill cipher + discord): "the only person that smart, is me."

[@DanGamingFan2406]

Metal Sonic really carried Eggman's army, what an MVP. Also, crazy that Moro animated the entire thing by himself, including the alternate scenarios. Masive respect.

[@smartboy201]

Also props to him for asking to do all of it. He could've had help! They could've altered dimensions to use different artists for it, but not only did he want to do the whole thing, not only did he do the alternate scenarios _without being prompted,_ he even altered the post-fight scene to include Sage, who wasn't originally there. She was supposed to have been implied as having been on the Death Egg when it was transmutated, but... thought to add her at the end. There's doing the job, there's doing it well, there's going above-and-beyond, then there's "The next Death Battle has _no chance_ of being better than this one." MORO definitely hit that last one, s'why I _like_ how curious I am about Among Us vs. Fall Guys. I'm not thinking it'll be GOOD or BAD, I just want to know _what it'll be._ This Death Battle raised the bar; it's fine to let the bar settle in place for a bit.

[@Tibor0803]

He already happened to kill his owner, get killed by a better opponent and now he tried his best to carry his army, but still failed. Death Battle is using Metal Sonic A LOT.

[@thorveim1174]

@@Tibor0803 I mean I see why, he is the single most consistantly dangerous thing Eggman has bar one-offs.

[@morumochisendo4331]

Imagine they included shadow and neo metal sonic just become metal overlord

[@juliofigueroa5567]

(Eggman surviving black holes) Nux: I sleep (Bowser surviving black holes) Nux: ThEy CaN’t Be InClUdInG tHiS?!?!

[@goldcreeper7376]

Based Nux 😂

[@KaizerTheFightingDemon]

But it happened lmao 🤣

[@LesDisposes]

Based, completely based, the agenda will never die🗣🔥🔥🔥

[@mauroherrera9543]

Seems like a normal Death Battle reaction to me 😅

[@Zeriel00]

Bowser has canonically survived Black holes lol, in Super Mario Galaxy and in Smash bros.

[@archmagemc3561]

Remember, Mario runs on cartoon logic, Sonic runs on anime logic. Sonic can show the impact of what goes on, but Mario just pulls off insane stuff casually due to the nature of those two logic systems. Also look into Super Paper Mario. Bowser was involved with dealing with something that was going to erase the multiverse, including all timelines.

[@lukasruston8618]

While the latter thing is true, I really have issues with them including Paper Bowser stuff (not that it ended up changing much) as the RPG games they were choosing to include which had the Dream Stone ALSO showed that Paper Bowser is from a separate universe/dimension. So whilst the Paper Mario games ARE canon, that doesn't mean that both those Bowsers are literally the same character.

[@thecursed_1lordofcats738]

​@@lukasruston8618actually, they are. With the exception of Paper Jam, there have been various instances where Paper Bowser has referenced things that have happened to regular Bowser and vice-versa. Additionally, Miyamoto himself went out and confirmed as much, saying that Paper Mario is canon and that both versions of Bowser are the same Bowser.

[@ThegrandKrild]

@@lukasruston8618they are using only the first 3 games Because the other paper Mario games contradict the game lore (but super paper Mario and the other 2 doesn’t do that)

[@reserven5795]

Super Dimentio never unleashed a multiverse destroying attack. Regular Dimentio literally killed Bowser earlier in the game with a few explosions. Greatly exaggerated scaling.

[@Richiedoesmc]

@@reserven5795if you mean when they were sent to the underwhere to revive the pure heart to advance. It was stated by the queen that Mario and them weren’t actually killed but transported there and she just sent Mario and Luigi back.

[@edwinsolis5710]

Nux: they are taking feats that happened in the games? That’s so crazy bro Yes Nux, they are taking the feats at face value instead of dismissing them. That’s the point of comparing these characters

[@Fang1st]

to be fair, they have done that quite a lot in the past, lol.

[@VictorCorona2]

​@@Fang1stBiggest example? Bardock Vs Omni Man.

[@Bear0601]

@@VictorCorona2They didn’t dismiss any feat. In fact they probably added some because most people didn’t expect the Sun Disk or Trillions x FTL Bardock feats

[@VictorCorona2]

@@Bear0601 What I mean by that is that they gave the win to Omni Man just because he destroyed a planet (King Vegeta casually destroying 3 with one hand) that was way bigger than any planet Bardock or any other Saiyan had destroyed. Yet he didn't do it alone, since it required 3 viltrumites to do it. (Aaand destabilizing the planet's core but who cares about that am I right?) Besides the fact that Bardock scaled relatively close to King Vegeta and they even gave him his Super Saiyan transformation because they (were biased) thought he couldn't do anything against him.

[@Maxjb1242]

@@VictorCorona2the thing is, the planet is WAYY more durable than anybody really thinks about? Like how the reason it got a “destabilized core” was because it was shot with a SUN BUSTING LASER, but who cares about the fact it tanked a casual star buster right?

[@keybordsmsh07]

Yes, Nux. They are taking these feats done in canon games literally. That’s what they can canonically do.

[@mr.cooldude64]

well in all honesty, i'm not sure how literal these feats are meant to be measured within the canon themselves. I don't necessarily think that nintendo or sega are putting to much stock into these types of abilities when they are making games. however, for death battle, it makes sense as to why they would take every feat literal during their analysis, since that's the whole appeal.

[@ItsB1998]

What says it's canon?

[@keybordsmsh07]

@@ItsB1998 Nintendo????

[@ItsB1998]

@@keybordsmsh07 Where did they say that?

[@keybordsmsh07]

@ mf it’s literally their game.

[@ThegrandKrild]

The animator Moro even asked for extra work because he got bored and that is the origin of the extra animations in the explanation

[@snickersnacker4502]

Honestly, massive respect for Moro regardless of how ya feel bout the actual fight o7

[@scanchannel3259]

@@snickersnacker4502 "It was perfect right down to ever last detail"

[@fork4207]

I think there was also a part where they scrapped of the koopalings fighting the hard boiled heavy’s.

[@ivarramirezpaulsen8212]

o7

[@robertfaulkkner5508]

I only clicked this because Nux didn’t call this a one-sided massacre in the title.

[@bananapeel4959]

True

[@magnitudex4347]

It's a surprisingly close matchup where each side as a ton of arguments for winning, and death battle even stated as much, even if they did a poor job at getting that point across.

[@ajm2487]

@@robertfaulkkner5508 the courage and scooby one “wasn’t even close” my guy it was a draw it couldn’t get closer

[@soulcyclone360]

​@@ajm2487he has mastered the ways of the click-baiter, he is truly, a master-baiter

[@ColePeters-oy1pn]

​@@soulcyclone360 Pause

[@dr.veronica6155]

The idea that this is the best Death Battle ever is pretty widely shared by most of the internet

[@SIR.scufington]

In their defense when you drop an 11 out of 10 episode, it only makes sense to follow up with the joke episode.

[@archertreloar4806]

I think the way they argued Army wasn’t the strongest even though their conclusion was still right, here’s how I’d put it: Bowser’s army, particularly King Boo, Jr and especially Kamek, provide the utility that perfectly compliments Bowser’s raw power. Metal is stronger than any member of Bowser’s army, but as we saw in the fight itself, Bowser deals with Metal personally. The point of the army comparison isn’t to say which is stronger, or whether enslaved programs make better soldiers than loyal conscious creatures, but to say how well each army compliments its king and members. The insane utility of Bowser’s generals and the sheer unpredictability of all the different power ups they could use make Bowser’s army better, especially because the power up variety directly counters Sage’s ability to plan, one of Eggman’s greatest assets.

[@snickersnacker4502]

Yeah thats a much better argument. I do think its worth considering what Eggman could do given prep time to make new robots specifically to fight bowser and his minions...but I also know the prep time argument is its own can of worms. At the very least I do think the idea of Eggman making at least one new robot to counter Bowser should have been mentioned though, even if Bowser had a minion that could counter it due to the variety on his end.

[@kalkuttadrop6371]

This is also, BTW, the exact same reason they mostly portrayed Eggman Vs Wily as a near draw(albeit Eggman at the time didn't have Infinite or Sage, and Sonic was overall considered a lot weaker. Still). Wily built his forces to compliment eachothers weaknesses and work well as a unified fighting force while Eggman didn't. Hence both the grunt vs grunt and Ace Robots vs Robot Masters fights favored Wily, his forces individually weaker could work together better. The difference in that fight is unlike Bowser(who was personally strong enough to deal with anything his army couldn't), Wily had absolutely zero answer to Metal Sonic, even at the time it was understood he could basically solo Wily's army including Super Base. However Roboenza exists, Wily would absolutely use it if the situation was going badly, and at the time Metal Sonic still had a strong disobedience track anyway that hadn't been fixed yet(not that fixing it would stop Roboenza), and Eggman at the time had nothing that could stop Metal Sonic either, hence a draw. Metal Sonic was strong enough to basically solo both of them, Wily had a tool that would make him go rogue(albeit that dooms him too), and it's Eggman's robot. Draw.

[@Ogiga99]

@@snickersnacker4502 One of the main universal rules listed in the credits of every episode is that combatants don’t know each other prior to the start of the fight (unless said otherwise for special cases, usually them knowing each other in their own canon) and that results in no prep time, so there’s no reason they should have brought it up. As you said, prep time is its own can of worms that Death Battle rightly avoids. The premise of the show is dropping combatants in the same area, then having them fight with the things they have used in canon and seeing which one wins. To my knowledge, Eggman doesn’t have the ability to design robots on the fly and somehow have them built and deployed near instantaneously, which is what he would need for something like that to have an impact on this format. I’m not going to disagree on the possibility that Eggman could build something to counter Bowser and his army but that would be more applicable in a larger scale and drawn-out war scenario, which I think breaches out of the realm of versus debates and into fanfiction. And as a personal aside, I find prep time to be disingenuous in versus debates because it is almost always used when it will give someone’s preferred side a significant advantage.

[@beambie9145]

Sage didn't even have to be in the area to Do something

[@snickersnacker4502]

@@Ogiga99 Mkay! Didn't know that was there stance on that. I did mention it was its own can of worms so I can completely understand and respect that stance and preference. I can see it being worth considering personally, but I'm not going to base an entire argument around it.

[@a_random_monke]

Bowser may have conquered the universe but has he pissed on the moon while cussing out Obama

[@maxspecs]

You wouldn’t think it, but actually yes.

[@Pepito6607]

Wait... when???? ​@@maxspecs

[@thewanderer4336]

The moon has been to Bowser, pissed on Obama while cussing out the universe

[@rodrigomorales563]

Donkey Kong did

[@yarc9]

@@rodrigomorales563donkey kong punch the moon bowser is stronger than donkey Kong

[@danielferrieri7434]

Who would win? A Jackal with cosmic dimension breaking powers or One Big Spikey Block Boi

[@yerfriendlyneighborhoodsco3337]

a jackal turning up gravity massively or one big spikey boi falling on head

[@StarWalker-si4nm]

URGH

[@OtomostheCrazy]

Funny thing is that Infinite had the most on-screen kills in the animation XD

[@hi123452008]

Funny thing is, this isn't even the first time Infinite got destroyed by Thwomp in a Bowser VS Eggman animation. Everyone just agrees that's the level of respect he deserves.

[@Fang1st]

Poor Infinite, getting the Silver treatment for the sins of his game rather than his own actions, lol.

[@zakkufosutaa]

Been waiting for this metal sonic be carrying

[@Talkus_Productions]

same

[@nytecrow6452]

While both survived Black Holes, as much as I love Eggman, Eggman only survives IN HIS VEHICLE. Bowser tanks everything on his own. Magic altering things screws Eggman over constantly as its a variable he cant contend with without Chaos Powers. I think it would have been a closer fight had they had Sage give Eggman Chaos Control. Eggman being able to make his thoughts into reality would have made Bowser have to really pull out his best Magic.

[@atpid_cos]

How would Eggman even be able to use Chaos Control? Besides, Bowser has resisted time-stops before, they even mention it during his analysis in a black-box in the top right at 6:11.

[@nytecrow6452]

@atpid_cos ...Did you miss the part where they mention Super Eggman? Which is literally when Eggman uses the Chaos Emeralds together to get the same buff as Super Sonic/Super Neo Metal Sonic? I didn't say Eggman wins. I said it would be a closer fight.

[@arlenfreeman3439]

@@nytecrow6452 Super Eggman was from using the _Phantom Ruby,_ not the Chaos Emeralds, which still requires a great deal of prepwork and--as mentioned--can be countered with the Wonder Flower.

[@magnitudex4347]

The thing is, it is a close matchup, and Death battle even said that a few times in the episode. They just got that point across poorly.

[@nytecrow6452]

@@arlenfreeman3439 That version of Eggman used the Ruby, but there have been times throughout the cartoons, games, and more where he has used Chaos Powers through the Emeralds to warp reality. I am not saying the Flower isn't better. It never needed to be used in this fight as portrayed. But they could have expanded it by having Eggman give up on Technical Supremacy and move to a literal battle of Intellect vs Magic via Chaos Power vs Bowser's World Magic.

[@lakuita5910]

I mean yeah the Phantom Ruby is broken but their point is that while it's perception based reality warping, Bowser has a counter in being able to warp actual reality so he could just say No to the Ruby's effects.

[@Magma-Idiot-2001]

Funny enough, he didn't even need Kamek for the (obviously rigged) Chance Time (he has his own variant too), they both could steal the Ruby or even the Emeralds with regular magic. They just wanted it to be flashy in the animation.

[@magnitudex4347]

@@Magma-Idiot-2001 Pretty sure the Emeralds are immune to those types of hax, same with transmutation (while not outright immune to transmutation, they function and act exactly the same as they normally do, meaning there's no benefit to transmuting them). Though I don't think the phantom ruby has the same types of hax/reality warping resistances.

[@Magma-Idiot-2001]

@@magnitudex4347 I wasn't saying they could be mutated, I was saying that Bowser and Kamek could yoink them.

[@ajm2487]

@@magnitudex4347 now my mind, thinking of chaos frogs -_-

[@jamestomato1744]

@@ajm2487 Truly, the ultimate life form.

[@Fishermen9715]

“NOOOO you cant take it literally!! Its not like it happened blatantly on screen, wasn’t portrayed as a gag, is literally part of the plot and story, and isnt an outlying feat by any means!!” Like, where the hell do you draw the line at what you can and cant scale? At what you find convenient?

[@Snake3004]

Right! It's so fucking dumb. He doesn't make sense at all.😅

[@soulcyclone360]

The limit is where he can annoy his audience into giving him engagement on the comment section. No such thing as bad publicity, as they say.

[@notme3603]

Would you consider the dnd peasants railgun as a feat? Cause sometimes rules and game mechanics aren’t exactly accurate to how the world In that setting works

[@Symbyll]

@@notme3603 yes, but nux was saying this at bowser being a sorcerer (which was literally said in the official instruction manual)

[@notme3603]

@ that i do agree is stupid from nux

[@clasher138]

In Mario and Luigi Bowser's Inside Story the main villain Fawful specifically waited for Bowser to leave his castle at the start of the game because he's just that much of a threat when he's commanding his troops. He knew that he couldn't take Bowser lightly at first if he wanted his plans for world domination to go smoothly.

[@2212blackstar]

I’m waiting to see a Mario game no crossover that has an enemy come either an alien or from a different kingdom come and it takes the mushroom kingdom, bowser and his son along with Mario and Luigi to beat. On some Kirby and king dedede type shit

[@larajamila005]

​@@2212blackstarPretty sure that's what happened in Mario RPG. But I don't think Jr was there

[@2212blackstar]

@@larajamila005 ah my bad it’s been a minute

[@Chaos_Vergil]

35:10 I get genuine goosebumps and chills here. The music, the fact that Bowser Jr gets badly wounded here, all combined with how you know Bowser will respond to seeing his son get hurt like that gives me chills.

[@ZudinGodofWar]

"HOW DARE YOU, KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF MY SOOOOOOONNNNNNN!!!" *summons a Grand Star then vaporizes Super Neo Metal Sonic* I agree

[@zoidsj]

I'm only here to listen to Nux scream how certain things shouldn't be scaled or are misrepresented. "There's no way they're taking that so literally". That's the point for the past hundreds of battles.

[@soulcyclone360]

That's the only thing he can do to get engagement on these videos. It's kinda sad honestly.

[@LordTerias]

and the fact that he pauses during the battle several times pisses me off. Ruins the hype

[@Maty_Mcfly]

After almost 200 episodes, I think bro will never understand that taking literally what the characters can do is the whole point of the show

[@Shin_FTW]

While knowing this is how they work, or will never surprise me WHAT feats they manage to pull, and from where.

[@SYNParadoxx]

@@LordTeriasBRO THE FACT THAT HE PAUSED THRU THE " ILL CRUSH YOU" MADE ME SO UPSET

[@shadowslime3640]

The Phantom Ruby's ability is essentially Psychosomatic Illusions. Illusions so powerful thry can be tangible, cause physical effects, and interact with the environment. That's honestly how I understand it.

[@clintonbehrends4659]

I.e. if you believe in it, it can hurt you

[@shadowslime3640]

@clintonbehrends4659 true. Psychosomatic Illusions via Perception Manipulation. It's a lot more busted than people realize. Infinite practically gave himself multiple powers via what the Phantom Ruby can do. Man Infinite and Silver are probably the two most underrated Sonic characters sad thing is only Silver actually has the ability to come back into popularity.

[@draconiumnova5110]

I appreciate having a proper term for what the phantom ruby does, rather than just what we got in game.

[@harri2shoes281]

​@@shadowslime3640 Eh, it took some time for Silver to make his comeback. Maybe the same will happen with Infinite, in time.

[@kalkuttadrop6371]

I find it funny how Bowser's Army being able to work together and cover weaknesses(King Boo's immunity to illusions and gravity plus his magic powers perfectly countered Infinite) even if none of them were on the level of Sage or Metal Sonic was so important because more or less that's the exact same reason they deemed Eggman Vs Wily as a near draw in 2011(albeit Eggman at the time didn't have Infinite or Sage, and Sonic was overall considered a lot weaker. Still). Wily built his forces to compliment eachothers weaknesses and work well as a unified fighting force while Eggman didn't. Hence both the grunt vs grunt and Ace Robots vs Robot Masters fights favored Wily, his forces individually weaker could work together better, exploiting and covering weaknesses is his whole thing. The difference in that fight is unlike Bowser(who was personally strong enough to deal with anything his army couldn't), Wily had absolutely zero answer to Metal Sonic, even at the time it was understood he could basically solo Wily's army including Super Base. However Roboenza exists, Wily would absolutely use it if the situation was going badly, and at the time Metal Sonic still had a strong disobedience track anyway that hadn't been fixed yet(not that fixing it would stop Roboenza), and Eggman at the time had nothing that could stop Metal Sonic either, hence a draw. Metal Sonic was strong enough to basically solo both of them, Wily had a tool that would make him go rogue(albeit that dooms him too), and it's Eggman's robot. Draw. Bowser won for the same reason Wily drawed, better teamwork and covering weaknesses instead of solo fighters. Only difference is Bowser is strong enough to put down Metal Sonic.

[@MayorofGaming]

For Bowser, "The power of friendship" is a literal, tangible buff called "Minion Spirit" which is how they are able to stand up to higher tier bs like the Bros.

[@xeenproof2024]

Here’s the thing, Bowser goes by cartoon logic, AKA the Anything goes tier when his powers are generated. Egg man tried to remain in logic.

[@ItsB1998]

Y'all just say anything

[@scanchannel3259]

@@ItsB1998 I mean yeah that's why we have mouths (and in this case fingers to type)

[@AlexMartinez-gv7hy]

Nah I say Eggman follows anime logic more so. I mean in a world with anthropomorphic animals is already pushing logic, especially when said animals can run super fast, have super strength, flight.

[@nobodys_here07]

Comparing the two series feels like toon force vs anime

[@CommentPositionInformer]

@@ItsB1998 He didn't say anything - he typed.

[@comicfan1324]

19:06 fun fact: this metal virus story arc first started in early 2019 but went all throughout 2020. A story where Eggman created a virus that caused a global pandemic and nearly destroyed the world. Quite unfortunate timing, but if anything that seem to only boost the people’s emotional attachment to the story, so I guess it all worked out in the end

[@crimsonchaos7224]

As if this episode wasn't goated enough, the backing track's vocals were done by Victor "Bury The Light" Borba.

[@shadowslime3640]

I love how people use Bury the Light as his middle name.

[@dannysegarra4504]

Knew it sounded familiar

[@soulcyclone360]

​@@shadowslime3640well, that is what it says on his birth certificate. -Sorce: trust me I checked I promise.

[@puglife658]

I think eggman could have won but generally I agree that bowser wins most times. Like a 6/4 ratio. Bowser wins 6 out of 10 times and eggman wins the other 4.

[@bkingman1635]

Yeah that's fair honestly

[@zavexcapricious2519]

I see it more like this: A single battle like this, Bowser definitely wins, but in an actual, prolonged war where Eggman can be strategic, Eggman wins for sure

[@ERBanmech]

@@zavexcapricious2519yeah eggman can just keep churning out troops and he is a master of strategy, bowser’s forces are limited and he lacks the smarts for a prolonged war. But the scenario is focused more on a single battle.

[@magnitudex4347]

Give Eggman prep time, and he wins like 70% of the time in my opinion. Though prep time isn't allowed in death battle, so...

[@magnitudex4347]

@@ERBanmech Bowser has ways of inflating his army size aswell through the use of Magic, and has multiple people who can perform that task. Though Eggman has the phantom ruby copies/prototypes to create clones. On top of the fact that his army is generally cheap to produce, especially modern versions since he doesn't need to use animals.

[@TheZangetsu322]

Nux: ARE YOU REALLY INCLUDING THE THING THAT THE CHARACTER DID IN CANON MEDIA AHHHHHH Me:🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@juliofigueroa5567]

He literally said he’s an Eggman stand. Of course he’s upset that Bowser is clearly more powerful than Eggman

[@maxspecs]

“Nux do you really want to ignore everything? That is correct.”

[@juliofigueroa5567]

@@maxspecs Dude accepted SUPER EGGMAN from a small instance in a comic, but denies Bowser and most of the dark magic like he’s never done it consistently.

[@Alex-il9jm]

​@@juliofigueroa5567 if they used the egg wizard or time eater Bowser would be just a pile of (Magic) dust, they also completely ignored the abismal speed gap between Sonic characters and Mario characters Also, saying that Bowser is "clearly" more powerfull than eggman is just saying that you dont know anything about eggman with extra steps

[@juliofigueroa5567]

Bruh, the Egg wizards creates quakes and controls lava, that’s barely magic and far below Eggman’s other abilities. As for speed, Eggman’s mechs aren’t as fast as you’d perceive them. None of them are at Sonic’s speed since Sonic easily catches up to them and bashes them constantly so they are FAR slower than that. Plus most of them can’t use their more powerful attacks while moving at higher speeds, so they have to be at a more closer range at a lower speed. And for time eater, well that’s also bullshit if you won’t allow Bowser to also pull instant win bullshit, time based attacks are countered, and like they said the trump items are a total waste of time to interpret. Wish granting stars and reality warping gemstones, it’s not even a category to bother with.

[@Arke_PG]

Peach isn't kidnapped because she's weak, she's kidnapped because people care about her Funnily enough, that's typically why it's a "damsel". Their lives hold more value.

[@ethancobabe2420]

"Anytime there is anything even slightly super saiyan related... they lose" Not true Broly beat Hulk, Shadow beat Ryuko, Metal Sonic beat Dr. Eggman & Dr. Wily, and Vegeta beat Shadow

[@ambushbob5383]

I love when DB takes powers literal because it pisses off the losers stans whom are fine with it being used for their guy.

[@jonathanjuarez5544]

Often the same people who call DB biased.

[@ambushbob5383]

@jonathanjuarez5544 right and if they make their own video to prove BD is bias and their favorite should win they will have people in their own comments calling them bias and so the cycle will continue.

[@jamesjohnston1297]

*who are fine with it. Who = he/they; it goes before the verb (he does/who does). Whom = him/them; it goes after the verb (we hurt him/we hurt whom?)

[@benjaminjara7312]

Nux has consumed so much Twitter brainrot that now every topic he tackles is a "situation"

[@cantmakeacreativename2072]

Fr, I don’t have twitter but is this death battle really that problematic? Last I checked most people seemed to like it. Even those who disagreed with the outcome at least thought the animation was peak. Actually scratch that, I can totally believe twitter would still be mad at that.

[@Magma-Idiot-2001]

​@@cantmakeacreativename2072apparently so, there are the Toxic Sonic fans that are like disregarding and trying to debunk the fight (even several people here on KZbin), I just backed off because it was so annoying.

[@kookio4284]

Some Powerscalers that favored Eggman be crying their eyes out. So in that sense, its kinda a situation. 😂

[@kookio4284]

​@@Magma-Idiot-2001 You have more power than I do.

[@soulcyclone360]

​@@Magma-Idiot-2001anyone who likes sonic is toxic, it's like saying water is wet, pure common sense at it's finest.

[@killercat241]

Eggman couldn't have gone super mode because the ruby was destroyed

[@starkiller1289]

There are 2 phantom rubies the prototype infinite has and the real one Eggman has. Infinite and his ruby were consumed by Eggmans by the end of Forces

[@killercat241]

@starkiller1289 then he forgot to use it

[@thecursed_1lordofcats738]

As for a more meta reason, Super Eggman didn't exist at the time when production started on the episode, and this wasn't something like adding an additional death for Jean Grey during the editing of Raven vs Phoenix. Because believe it or not, the episode was originally supposed to be part of Season 10 but got delayed for some fairly obvious reasons.

[@atpid_cos]

​@@thecursed_1lordofcats738 MØRO animated the alternate scenarios, one of which shows Eggman's "Light-Man" form being countered by Bowser using the Wonder Flower abilities he got when he became Castle Bowser.

[@thecursed_1lordofcats738]

@atpid_cos fair, but that was something he asked to do after the rest of the animation was done. Same with the rest of the alternate scenarios shown during the conclusion.

[@abdulsanusi4738]

36:41 did bro hit a black flash???!!!

[@fallenangelmaxthemad9]

"no one's more loyal than a robot that's literally enslaved to your will" You know... Like those robots that betrayed eggman... Like metal sonic once did... Or rhe hardboiled heavies... The robot argument falls apart fast when even those decide that fighting FOR eggman is a quick ticket to the scrapyard XD

[@potatoarcher3985]

Rules of Death Battle: 1.) Whoever powers up first loses 2.) Whoever has the upper hand at the start of the fight loses 3.) Whoever Nux glazes loses

[@CommentPositionInformer]

I mean, the first one is fairly obvious. If you power up first, it's because you're losing. And if the opponent's power up is comparable - then you're going to remain losing.

[@mennowouters3938]

You should look at the death battle subreddit. Someone made art that showed Bowser Jr giving sage a 1-up to ressurect eggman and now everyone is shipping Bowser Jr x Sage.

[@aarokaiaka8064]

bro what

[@Azal423]

As a… friendship thing, right…?

[@Better_call_Floppa]

I don't think they would work honestly

[@Kelporama]

Nah cause i was like, "Easy Egghead wins he deals with supersonic whos a universal threat! (Brain: Super Mario Galaxy) Wait...ok but Sonic generations? (Brain: a good couple of mario rpgs...)..shhiiiii"

[@Five_FingersofDeath]

For every Sonic 06, there's 3 Mario RPGs

[@infinityheart_tm9270]

@@Five_FingersofDeathLiterally in this case.

[@StarWalker-si4nm]

The people that are mad at this make it 10 times better. I’ve had the opportunity to be able to listen to some dude rant 30 minutes long about how infinite could crush a thwomp or whatever. Completely disregarding the circumstances of the fight or the fact Death Battle said the fight can go 100000 different ways. I swear Sonic fans are something else. I’ve seen multiple sonic animation creators upset about the outcome and I’m just laughing my ass off. It’s just a cool animation bro.

[@yerfriendlyneighborhoodsco3337]

even more so them ignoring *why* they used a thwomp...both for that is the level of disrespect infinite deserves but more importantly...he turned the gravity up. Boo just laughed and said 'aight bet'

[@Void_Ghost_Beelz]

Agreed, this was fucking amazing, no doubt in my mind that it is the best Death Battle they’ve done, loved every second of it! My favorite part (which I still get goosebumps from) is when Metal hurts Bowser’s son… IN FRONT OF HIM!!! Then proceeds to get backhanded, and overpowered by the pure RAGE infused Fury Bowser with a Grand Star on top… that shit was just gorgeous, and the blast creating a Black Hole was just sprinkles on top really

[@snickersnacker4502]

@@Void_Ghost_Beelz Will admit I was expecting to get a similar moment from Eggman for a bit. Sage getting hurt leading to a Dad V Dad moment just protecting their kids while the armies stop to watch the end of the fight o7

[@AwesomeMooseSmile]

Sonic fans are some of the most humorless and annoying people in the vs battle community, so it makes me really happy whenever their character loses (unless it's my goat Metal) because God they're ANNOYING.

[@drakeware655]

I'm a Sonic fan, and while I was surprised that Bowser won, I understood why after they went through the 5 categories at the end, but I was never mad at the outcome

[@sants4560]

When he skipped the AD under 10 seconds is how I be when watching deathbattle!

[@obviousalias1143]

Bowser may have won, but Eggman’s presentation was so much better. Every new thing he brought to the battlefield was cooler than the last. I was rooting for him the entire time.

[@the_godbodor7026]

Less than 1 minute crew, LES GO!

[@jojotheraccoonboy8127]

I loved how they added alternate ending at the end for things they didn’t use during the fight

[@oracleking3113]

Take a shot each time Nux says they shouldn’t take a feat or ability seriously when it’s either consistent across multiple material or treated seriously within its appearance.

[@abdieldesenaacosta7238]

I like how Nux always is in the side that loses

[@Dislikecollector]

Cause he’s stupid

[@darkmatter2542]

I need to respect that he doesn't complain that much when the side he was rooting on lost and instead just appreciated how good the video was

[@someGuy-kl7cb]

to be honest, the fact metal sonic is even helping eggman is a bit of a stretch, because isn't metal sonic's entire thing he ONLY wants to fight sonic, and will actively betray eggman to do that, i don't see why metal sonic wouldn't just...abandon the fight the moment it becomes clear sonic has nothing to do with it. infinite losing to his own gravity manipulation is a plausible scenario, especially considering its confirmed infinite didn't actually lose, but was just in shock he got hit. i totally get why people don't like it though. i think the fact eggman sucks at loyalty would probably be a bigger factor to how bowser would win, infinite and metal sonic would likely betray him.

[@yerfriendlyneighborhoodsco3337]

man is just crumpled beneath that thwomp. in the yamcha pose. questioning his life choices after losing yet again to his own damn power.

[@beef3442]

In the IDW Comics Eggman reprogrammed Metal to be 100% loyal to him after the whole situation with Neo Metal before. In fact, Neo Metal even took over Eggman’s army when Eggman went missing and had the sole intention of taking over the world in Eggman’s name. He’s loyal.

[@someGuy-kl7cb]

@@beef3442 oh, im sorry i didn't know that.

[@megabladechronicles962]

@It’s also worth pointing out that even in Sonic Heroes, Metal just locked Eggman away when he took over, he never tried killing Eggman even though he easily could have. Metal might be a little rebellious, but he doesn’t hate Eggman

[@sarafontanini7051]

metal sonic: you betray your boss ONE TIME among however many games and SUDDENLY that's your ENTIRE PERSONALITY!

[@GoliathPyroson]

10:26 “oh no, the ‘take the canon feats seriously’ channel is taking all the canon feats seriously!”

[@thunderknight4149]

You could call this Bowser vs Metal Sonic and no one would know the difference.

[@luleysokarey3882]

Metal Sonic was useless, Sage and Eggman did all the work

[@itsyaboiplantyboi]

​@@luleysokarey3882Me when I spread misinformation:

[@AydenWilliams-x5o]

​@@luleysokarey3882bud did we wach the same thing? Metal sonic was carrying they lost the second metal died

[@ArynBacklogDragon]

My guy, Metal sonic single handedly took out King Boo, Kamek, and Bowser Jr.

[@Void_Ghost_Beelz]

@@ArynBacklogDragonBut he kinda fucked up when he did the last one… right in front of his dad… which was already in Fury form Bowser in his Fury form was the strongest non-super character on screen, so Metal had to go super just to go against him, but when he hurt Jr. that rage plus the Grand Star skyrocketed Bowser’s strength from the base of his Fury form, which would be stronger than Super Neo-Metal… but in all honesty, I just loved the fight in general Hell! Metal has not been this epic since ever! His slow walk as he transforms into Neo before absolutely shitting on Bowser with that kick was insane!!!

[@jackmanleblanc2518]

The fact that Mario is able to beat Bowser just proves how busted Mario is.

[@Corden2]

No this proves how bad death battle scaling is lol Metal alone could have soloed

[@jackmanleblanc2518]

@@Corden2 Oh, of course. I'll believe you just because you said so. Not.

[@Corden2]

@@jackmanleblanc2518 lets debate then

[@Corden2]

@@jackmanleblanc2518 sonic base games solos mario and his verse

[@-Needlemouse.vip-]

@@Corden2 true that. true that

[@fenorlex1126]

They're taking _every_ thing (that is official (at the time)) literally, Nux. This has been a thing for years. Edit: VS Battle wiki fandom is not a really reliable source, since more often than not they included implicitly non-canon sources...

[@danielwilson8604]

and they have a habit of twisting canon to fit their own terminology or structures.

[@Fang1st]

Yeah, this was a 'catching lightning in a bottle' moment, lol. Moro animating it was definitely a big boon, but they actually put a good amount of effort into the explanation compared to other ones, lol. I will say however on the 'conquest of the universe' thing vs the planet respectively, Eggman had to fight a lot of Sonic Characters that were holding their own, while there was no one with Mario's strength to stop Bowser I think. Could be wrong, haven't played it in forever.

[@vaquishers]

Eggman also has no desire to conquer the universe. He really only wants to create eggman land and prove that he's superior to sonic by destroying him

[@snickersnacker4502]

Where would sonic colors fall in this since Eggman did capture and enslave an entire race of aliens in that game while also setting up a theme park in space around the planet. (I forget if he brought the planets too or if that was part of what he built himself) ((And, did they give any attention to how the the planet and the park actually connected aside from elevator? I forgot tbh))

[@darkreflection9087]

So far the Sonic Series has gotten only 6 Victories and the victors were (Amy Rose vs Ramona Flowers) Amy Rose (Xeno Trunks vs Archie Silver) Archie Silver (Shadow vs Ryuko) Shadow (Mario vs Sonic 2011) Sonic (Luigi vs Tails) Tails (Eggman vs Wily) Metal Sonic

[@moronichybrid]

Wasn't Eggman Vs. Wily actually a Tie?

[@ExcalibeonSwordofEeveelutions]

​@@moronichybrid Metal Sonic killed both.

[@acrab6527]

Eggman always loses the first time, then comes back with a machine that directly counters what beat him last time and wins. He's the king of rematches. And they did amongus vs fallguys because they spent all their money on Bowser vs Eggman, obviously. The one after that will be sock puppets.

[@minihatsunemikufan]

Nah, they probably just think it's fun to do a meme matchup

[@atpid_cos]

​@@minihatsunemikufan They don't want to have to compete with the peak they just dropped, so it'll be less serious to compensate for the absolute cinema they created for this battle.

[@Trinithium]

If I recall correctly, it's a community voted match-up. So regardless how ridiculous it seems, its what the people want.

[@ajm2487]

@@acrab6527 honestly I think it bowser knows he’s coming back again. He’s just gonna get the Dreamstone and if he has that it doesn’t matter how many rematches you throw at Bowser he still gonna win. Erasure is erasure it doesn’t care how strong you are are you made of matter congratulations you can be erased

[@jamestomato1744]

Honestly, it's good that the next death battle is alot less intense. We all need a more low down one after the raw awesomeness that was Bowser vs Eggman.

[@ericmerrill9808]

“I’ll crush you!” From metal sonic is a fun refrence to Super Mario Bros. Z! Ya love to see it!

[@ThegrandKrild]

Infinite bends reality will Reality bends at king’s boo will

[@crpineo]

Nux seems to have a fundamental misunderstanding of how DB works, but only when its the character he's not backing

[@captainhuntank7963]

Still think the funny part was somewhere it was mentioned that infinite didnt actually die from the thwomp, he just teleported out of there, bro got clowned on so hard he had to take the entire fight out to contemplate his existence

[@ceruleanwalker1069]

Metal Transforms, drops the coldest line of the episode, kicks Bowser in the chest.

[@MariuigiKhed]

40:40 "Yeah but the Phantom Ruby can trick your body into melting if it feels like a sun it's right next to it" Wonder Flower: "YOU CAN SWIM IN LAVA!"

[@thewaiteboys8084]

Every time Nux has us look at the title to figure out his thoughts it's neither of the given options

[@MANnamedUNKIND]

"Thay love sonic characters" Haven't thay literally only had like four kids with sonic and only one of them has a win with shadow vs ryuko?

[@SpencerBPD]

There’s 13 Sonic episodes

[@SpideyfanX]

And even then, it's still a loss cause Shadow had to kill his favourite character.

[@dankmouse632]

Silver vs Trunks?

[@thecursed_1lordofcats738]

Luigi vs Tails? The original Mario vs Sonic? Eggman vs Willy?

[@stalememes6162]

Sonic has had way more episodes than that, and they've won quite a bit. Mario VS Sonic (2011), Eggman VS Wily, Luigi VS Tails, Amy VS Ramona, Shadow VS Ryūko, and Trunks VS Silver. Also, just to be clear, the literal creator of the show grew up specifically with Sonic and loves the franchise. Just because a series loses doesn't mean the team hates that franchise, and this mindset is extremely dumb because it contradicts itself all the time. Like when they were called Sega fanboys after the first two Mario VS Sonic episodes, but became Nintendo fanboys after DK VS Knuckles.

[@forever_mattdog9778]

I'm desperately hoping that Among vs Fall Guys will be as peak as this one, because that would be the funniest thing ever

[@Dededvine]

What I especially like about this fight is that they went into deeper detail in the alternate scenarios, preparing for all the “erm acthmually’s” the fan base was going to throw at them.

[@AZA_muku]

Kamek the goat Ngl, single-handedly fucked up Metal via Mario part 💀

[@ThegrandKrild]

Miyamoto in person said how all of Mario is canon except hotel Mario (but contradictions are counted as parallel universes) like all paper Mario’s until super paper Mario

[@AgentOracle]

Best Death Battle, legitimately, 15/10 they came back STRONK

[@AliceIzuragi6291]

20:20 regarding the wiki thing on the multiversal stuff due to super sonic beating him. wasnt sonic holding back?

[@pamtheman5748]

Most likely, he never usually goes for the kill on Eggman unless Tails is killed or something.

[@starcoreonline5592]

As many said in the og video, Metal Sonia's crash out after failing chance time is justified. Bro lost that bs and went Neo.

[@SyLuX636]

The moment they lost the Ruby it was game over.

[@StarWalker-si4nm]

Facts

[@starsilverinfinity]

Bowser won cause he's got that insane father strength, simple as

[@MorglortheMangler]

Poor Bowser all he wants to do hang out with his family and his true love Peach and that mustached menace always ruining everything, Mario is the true villain. Also if it came down to Eggman vs Bowser without the armies Bowser would win without question.

[@Iamaperson-f3r]

0:58 you were incorrect on both.

[@mackenzieray5252]

21:14 "cowerd you won't pronounce Their name" says the guy who is afraid of being demonetized for pronouncing Nega themselves... 😏

[@Canido19]

My boy Nux: Vegeta beat Shadow the Hedgehog and Shadow beat Ryuko. Death Battle is not afraid to give wins to Super Saiyan-alikes. It's just that Super Saiyans are not strictly more-impressive than everything else in fiction. Also, Toon Force refers to a very specific phenomenon that needs to cover a lot more than just "durability" in order to be considered an applicable ability to grant to a competitor in Death Battle. Death Battle may not be perfect, but they do good research to get the conclusions that they do.

[@sarveshnathan7559]

"Death Battle may not be perfect, but they do good research to get the conclusions that they do." Wrong. They have screwed up on both research and conclusions for many death battles: Goku vs Superman 1 and 2 Mario vs Sonic 2018 Omni-Man vs Bardock Gaara vs Toph Naruto vs Ichigo Madara vs Aizen Sasuke vs Hiei Kirby vs Majin Buu Ben 10 vs Green Lantern

[@AllGodInfinity]

Why didn't Infinite use Null Space against Bowser? Infinite can also create an army of Shadows, Zavoks, Chaos & more! Infinite can also create Chimera versions of himself while flipping the world upside down! Death Battle ignores alot of stuff. Sonic Super Stars & Sonic Dream Team even GAVE Robotnik new abilities. Also, Sonic Shuffle gave Robotnik the Eggman Card which can do likewise things to Bowser's Mario Party Afflictions.

[@forrest6374]

Okay I know you are being funny, but robots won’t betray Eggman? Bruh, half of the things that betrayed him are robots he built. Dude has the worst track record with team ups ever. The only character I believe has not betrayed him is Sage. The fact he could barely work with himself just shows how badly he works with others. So loyalty does play a huge factor when it comes down to how effective your army is.

[@fork4207]

People seem to forget super eggman takes a lot of prep time to achieve while bowsers other super forms from different items are more or less instant, also with the whole thing with infinite king boo also can create illusions that can affect perception which could be on the same level as the phantom ruby (so that’s debatable) I mean king boo could affect the entire ghost dimension which is the size of a universe and even created his own pocket dimensions with the portraits.

[@compareandcontrast9833]

Bowser in a tank top: This ain't an army it's a family.

[@Jacky-o7j]

NOOOOO THEY DIDNT SHOW US THAT FUCKING DRAGON METAL SONIC FROM THE COMICS. EGGMAN WOULDVE WON. NOOOOOOOOOOO :(

[@KalKirin]

gotta tell chibi theres another bowser video

[@IkerTG]

I was waiting for this reaction specifically jaja, nice

[@ind0minusr3x51]

Eggman's top trump cards are Metal Sonic, Sage and Infinite. The rest of his robots are "yes man"s Bowser's tops is Kamek, King Boo and Junior. But his army is coordinated, flexible and combined to cover weaknesses. Plus all of the members of the Koopa kingdom can use ALL the power up items, whilst only Sage and Metal could use the emeralds

[@DomIvey271]

Nux is so annoying throughout this whole video. LIKE OF COURSE THEIR TAKING BOWSERS FEATS AT FACE VALUE. HOW ELSE CAN YOU TAKE THEM. HE PUNCHES A CASTLE INTO SPACE. HOW ELSE CAN YOU TAKE THAT.

[@Scotttjt]

The same way he lowballs any superhero feats: "Don't you think that's hyperbole?" Meanwhile, he takes any and every anime feat at face value.

[@DomIvey271]

@ FAX. It especially pisses me off with the bowser stuff bc I know it sounds dumb, but the Mario universe is broken because it has toon force and that’s why when Wizz said after the fight “Sonic isn’t afraid of showing how powerful their characters are, while Mario’s are more…cartoony.” That right there is what I mean. Like look at Mario and Luigi Brothership for a sec. It’s a pretty goofy game and bowser’s very expressive with all his goofy squashing and stretching animations. One of the bros attacks called “Conductor connector” which is literally Luigi flinging Mario into space and Mario connects a bunch of orbiting moons/planets and shoots a huge beam out of the ass of a pig man. You can’t tell me that isn’t cartoony.

[@13thRevenant]

I kind of wish Nux would pause to read the corner notes. Those tend to soften the blows sometimes. Also... maybe take a look at every Death Battle winner so far before saying things like, "This franchise never wins!" when around half of the fights featuring said franchise does indeed have wins, and "This condition means an instant loss!" when... that simply ain't true.

[@craynos9716]

“We’re tired” ain’t this the same guy who is OBSESSED with Jaiden Animations?

[@therealgmhere5988]

Nux should've stayed with the villain analysis videos.

[@craynos9716]

@ so real he’s such a freak

[@xigor2628]

The animation is so good that the video need 2 sponsors

[@kurimc.mystic5341]

I think the best way to explain the army perspective is that because the koopa troop genuinely work to counter eachothers weaknesses and can help them adapt to the egg armada's strategies. And eggman's army being just robots means they won't really adapt to any oncoming strategies mid fight. So it really becomes an entire army vs a few powerful shitflingers like Metal Sonic, who Bowser himself has no trouble dealing with.

[@YoelSchwarz]

They really got infinite right. He showed up, did something cool, amd died.

[@Entrominal]

Infinite getting killed by a thwomp was the highlight of my week.

[@GatorCorporation]

I love the fact that they included alternate scenarios.

[@GreatQuestionFran]

I've never watched your videos before Nux, but I'm glad that you can accept the result despite your character losing. You're better than a lot of the internet for that!

[@BenjaminBroom-n4r]

0:30 the rest of the Kirby lore “am I a joke to you”

[@SynisterJeff]

You say they're taking Bowser's powers "literally", but all of that stuff literally happens in the games. He literally punches a castle into space and warps their reality with magic. Yes, the games don't actually account for what would be the IRL reality of those situations (obviously, because it's just a game for kids) but it's still what actually happens, literally, in their own reality.

[@groudon1326]

This has been the least rigged fight in a while

[@beef3442]

The fights aren’t rigged

[@paradoxical998]

If we’re comparing their opponents in their games, yes, robotnik has a tougher opponent. HOWEVER, Mario has a lot more abilities AND most of the time bowser is only beaten because he underestimates Mario. Like, he left an axe on the bridge in the original Mario, he ground stomped the blocks to his detriment in 3, even in 64 he put the bombs around his stages, that he created. Like, why do that? Whereas, robotnik knows exactly how sonic operates, not counting the wisps or any other outside help besides the power up’s in the original trilogy, and robotnik STILL loses.

[@HeraclesN-fp1bw]

"He Who Koops & Breaks the Egg Lives to Koop Another Day"

[@L337M4573RK]

According to Mario Lore, Bowser is actually a magic wielding Dragon (that just happens to look like a giant turtle). It's why Bowser can breathe fire! Dr. Eggman has only dabbled in magic a few times, but most of the time...he's about the cold, hard Science. Even the Chaos Emeralds are nothing more than power sources to him. Dr. Eggman couldn't account for Bowser's broken magical abilities.