Could Metal Sonic Beat Cell (Death Battle Response)

[@deathbattle]

Hello! This isn't a Death Battle, it's a podcast where we trash talk and play things up for fun and viewer votes. If you watch to the end, Metal Sonic won! We're big Sonic fans, and you'll see our appreciation for Metal Sonic in our Bowser VS Eggman episode this weekend👍

[@FranciGitGud]

Omg hello

[@Gojoダメに]

Well u should sometimes tell things serious else a response like this will happen

[@Choppydplug]

Ok I’ll be there

[@thenichol0039]

Huh, didn’t expect the official channel to comment on a debunked. Nice.

[@Tyrecordslol]

Great! Metal and Sonic character are downplayed too much!

[@FowaJCT]

Death Battle casts are NOT serious. They are more like schoolyard debates. Instead of focusing on power scaling or research, they aim to persuade voters that their assigned character could win by any means, such as high balling feats, humor, ect. The chat's vote ultimately decides the outcome. These casts shouldn't be taken seriously, as they have no impact on actual Death Battles.

[@Zyimes]

They don’t? I thought they did.

[@Zyimes]

So it’s basically like dbx sort of?

[@FowaJCT]

@Zyimes Yes, but the main difference is that a Death Battle Cast prioritizes the debate itself while a DBX doesn't have a debate and is just an animation flex/showcase

[@angrybrony]

They did sell me on springtails vs the chick from dragonrompa.

[@JayceCH.]

Sounds like the actual Death Battle results then.

[@LythiemEditz]

Short answer: yes. Even as a d1 dragonball meat rider, i gotta give credit where credit is due.

[@JaydosComments]

Wdym Bro?

[@RaijinRain]

Fr, Cell barely got any feats but I don't like it when people make up bullshit for either character.

[@Pack52022]

​@@RaijinRaincell got feats simply by scaling how much stronger he was and faster than king Vegeta wiping planeta with a wave of a hand, Frieza being capable of destroying a large planet like planet Vegeta which has heavy gravity. Cell is capable of destroying a solar system but can put into more than universal if you take the statement of second form Frieza being capable of destroying the universe. Perfect cell shot a ki blast fast enough to hit Gohan heading full speed to protect Vegeta, but sonic scaling is insane so I believe metal sonic wins

[@sumnahlennon5449]

​​@@RaijinRainSonic can currently be harmed by a robot throwing coconuts. In Sonic, toonforce things happen that you are not expected to think of. But a motorbug can harm Sonic.

[@wisecrackhead1188]

Although it’s true unfortunately they won’t admit that ever

[@slimeyartz15]

Cell: if you’re not perfect.. you’re not me- Metal sonic: [LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER]

[@SansUndertale-u7n]

Fr

[@leschroder7773]

"If?" - neo metal sonic

[@thedrunkgiraffe8312]

Some of yall gotta learn how death battle cast works, it's like half an hour or an hour of research at best, whereas they spend weeks on actual episodes

[@DeathBattleFan-wi4cc]

Months, actually. It takes 6-9 months to make an episode

[@Warking19]

The cast isnt an episode. Its a podcast​@DeathBattleFan-wi4cc

[@AhmadKazan-wk7ei]

Spendong weeks and months researching actual episodes and ending with half of them being debunked in half a day is crazy

[@DeathBattleFan-wi4cc]

@@AhmadKazan-wk7ei the big ones that get debunked are any episode that involves a dragon ball character since a lot of vs battle people are dragon ball fans.

[@The-Black-Fang]

And yet Death Battle has shitty research almost everytime and to the level that gets debunked by two minutes of research.

[@ironspider2867]

Alright so I guess I'll be the death battle defender here, yeah this is just your average death battle cast, they're not supposed to be taken too seriously and they vote on the results anyway. 1. They usually have to argue points from memory and usually only have a handful of panels to pull 2. one the strategies they like using when one debater isn't as familiar with one of the characters is to just straight up lie (example: saying alien V and prime Vilgax are the same character) yeah for sure ben didn't remember that comic but right after Liam corrects him. I'm a fan of both series and metal Sonic's my favorite character enjoyed the video just don't take the cast to seriously bowser vs eggman comes out on Sunday can't wait and I'd love to see your reaction Edit: finished reading some comments GUYS METAL WON THE DEBATE, chat thought metal would win

[@toystolife1678]

I don't think they though that Alien V and Prime Vilgax were the same character, I think that was them compositing Reboot and Prime Vilgax together as the Reboot had some things that added to the debate. But yeah aside from that, this is just facts and thank you for bringing this up.

[@ironspider2867]

@toystolife1678 they called liam out at first since he was losing but didn't know the reboot enough to fact check

[@PredatorGh0st2006]

I appreciate that you actually responded to DB with arguments and without talking bad of them

[@Dededvine]

They’re definitely underestimating my boy metal sonic. Can’t believe they thought zero could take him out.

[@irrelevant739]

that was a long ass time ago when they downplayed every character a lot for casual viewer understanding (or some other reason idk)

[@darkreflection9087]

The Sonic universe is more op then most people think

[@togeluga_the_cat]

insane amount of powercreep over the years stuff like sonic growing much stronger with age to the point he kinda just makes him dumpster some of his older foes, and by proxxy, metal sonic, that means metal can outrun stuff like a super blackhole and defeat the titans from frontiers the same way sonic did, they realy underplay how busted strong metal sonic is in the games

[@JaydosComments]

@@togeluga_the_cat Wdym Bro?

[@BrandonScott-mi5pz]

EXCELLENT TYRECORDLOL WORK.

[@SHADOWTHEGOAT-z6g]

fr

[@GoldenSonic-km3]

So Is mario

[@familydagbale]

If metal Sonic becomes neo, their battle will be legendary

[@ChasePool9000]

No It would be **PERFECTION**

[@Kid-Arachnid994]

@@ChasePool9000Hah.

[@familydagbale]

@@ChasePool9000 OH YEAH YOUR RIGHT!!!!

[@A_literal_supernova]

Just as legendary as Deku(Cell) vs Zeno(Neo Metal)

[@VillageOtter]

@@A_literal_supernova Low blow, I like it but, low blow

[@dranoradragonqueen1494]

I just realized I vastly underestimated that copy ability wow. this actually helped me a lot with a fan story I was just working on that I might have to go back and revamp from the start again for the sixth time now. Thanks for this!

[@RandomShenanigians2]

I feel like Death Battle doesn't even know about the series that they're talking about 💀

[@FK74396]

I swear they just be saying shit to support their favorite regardless of facts

[@GoldenB0ltBLTZ]

They gave Omni-Man a win over Bardock, what does that tell you?

[@abdeljalalrachdimali350]

@@RandomShenanigians2 they lowball dragon ball as always

[@animeboy200p2]

@@abdeljalalrachdimali350 no they don't are you living under a rock they are dragon ball characters who win in death battle you just piss that some of them don't win

[@abdeljalalrachdimali350]

@@animeboy200p2 read my other reply

[@Steven-cq9gb]

Metal sonic was always my favorite character, and I shall never let him down

[@Ssj45]

His design is better than sonics

[@OswinValle-df2wj]

@Steven-cq9gb he's ass

[@Steven-cq9gb]

@@Ssj45 possibly

[@confused_maguire6764]

People downplay Metal Sonic heavily in my opinion is due to the disrespect he’s been getting throughout the years. Not just as a fighter or in power, but also as in character.

[@lukasruston8618]

It's also probably due to the fact that Metal Sonic hasn't been used in any meaningful way since Heroes... which was around 20 years ago by this point.

[@HOI4notsoproplayer]

True but i feel like its a bit unfair to fmake metal sonic go ahead and fight cell, i know desth battles cast is more about the memes and not power scaling but come on, metal sonic aint getting the W, cell, specially perfect cell is Just wayyyy too op, i mean, bro can blow up a planet with one beam, its terrible strategy, but he can xd

[@lukasruston8618]

@@HOI4notsoproplayer I... don't think you understand how strong the powerscaling is in Sonic, Sonic's been fighting planet level enemies since Sonic 2 and they've only been getting more and more strong with each game.

[@HOI4notsoproplayer]

@lukasruston8618 sonic is not able to blow up a planet at will or straight up get punches by the same guy who destroyed a Mountain with a finger and not even flinch, cell is. Powers in the sonic universe is Just not comparable to DB, in fact most medias just cant be compared because dragon ball already went way too far in that regard. For example in sonic 2 they just fought a death star, which was a struggle, cell in hia imperfect from could easily blow it up from earth, just like piccolo blew up the moon at early dbz

[@lukasruston8618]

@@HOI4notsoproplayer You say that but then there's Solaris, there's nothing in canon DB that really compares to it besides maybe Zeno if you can argue that he's Superdimensional as well which you really can't because there isn't any clear feats for him other than erasing a multiverse with his powers which would only make him multiversal at best. We've never seen him do anything more impressive.

[@AydenWilliams-z3k]

I love when tye does these videos, i know this is off topic but i think there aren't recognizing how big the sonic multiverse is they say solaris was gonna to destroy some timelines but he was going to destory everything and when people say facts like these peoplecall them sonic glazers. But thx for fixing what death battle does on metal sonic's part btw.

[@Magma-Idiot-2001]

Funny enough, when I think about it, the only time where I think they didn't nerf a Sonic character was Silver and maybe Amy.

[@AydenWilliams-z3k]

@Magma-Idiot-2001 yeah good point they actually did research on those fights and amy was pretty easy to scale anyways

[@lukasruston8618]

@@AydenWilliams-z3k Honestly, I think even Sonic powerscalers don't realise how powerful Sonic is. People see the statement that says that Infinite is stronger than all previous villains and pretty much everyone immediately jumps to "Ah, yes, Solaris!" Buuuut, it can actually be taken a step further with the Egg Wizard who was so powerful that Super Sonic and Burning Blaze had to do a combination attack whilst Eggman was caught off guard by someone else in order to destroy it... not to mention the fact that the Egg Wizard could control the 'Power of the Stars' and whilst that power is not given much explanation, it is stated to be the force that holds the multiverse and even all parallel dimensions together... just from that alone and then scaling base Sonic to Infinite, you can make base Sonic get into higher dimensional tiers of powerscaling.

[@Stevenkadap98]

Metal sonic dosent need respect from death battle he needs respect from sega right now most importantly

[@Bestmotion2389]

And he did get some respect, Metal Overlord is now a boss fight in Shadow gens

[@Stevenkadap98]

@@Bestmotion2389 I guess

[@M185_X41]

​@@Bestmotion2389Bro got folded by shadow in BASE while he was in overlord form in SXSG while in Sonic heroes it took more then 7 characters and it took 3 super forms to take him down, HOW😢?

[@Bestmotion2389]

@@M185_X41 Same thing happened to Perfect Chaos, but hey, at least they acknowledged Metal Overlord That's already awesome

[@M185_X41]

@@Bestmotion2389 Right

[@skythecartoon7841]

Sonic’s stories are becoming more consistent though. Ian Flynn is doing a great job fixing the loopholes or simply resetting the story to where it makes more sense

[@Itbelikethat123]

Yeah, Ian Flynn is the GOAT! Definitely can't wait for another Sonic game! His stories are going to be interesting. Also just wanna point out that Ty said Sonic stories are "more childish" which I don't think is true. Sonic stories are definitely not childish. They're either Dark or Neutral lol

[@skythecartoon7841]

@ Lost World and Colors were borderline childish and neutral. But I love the direction it’s going in now. And agreed! Can’t wait for next game

[@serpentine8229]

Meanwhile, you have those Ian Haters on Twitter being clowns like always

[@Nerdlee-27]

8:48 Don't forget that it was later stated that the Stories of the Arabians nights contain endless worlds/infinite universes. Erazor Djinn later states that he has carved up and absorbed half of the pages of said book containing infinite universes. At the end of SATSR, Erazor absorbs all 7 of the world rings, making him the Creator of the Arabian Nights and merging him with it entirely. In this state Erazor can manipulate reality to his whim, destroy the entirety of the Arabian Nights, and plot manipulate. Sonic is able to beat him by merging with 3 of the World Rings. You could also argue that Sonic in that same game has infinite speed due to running through an astral plane with infinite space.

[@SaddieMoon]

3:55 Tbf, we mostly don’t see Knuckles on Angel Island or gaurding the Master Enerald in his appearances. It’s usually the comics and Ian Flynn who tries to put more effort into that. Sega just mostly doesn’t care to explain why he’s not guarding the emerald I guess, since Sonic Heroes.

[@Crussly1]

everytime we dont see knuckles, he is there

[@sap9255]

10:20 he blocked you over a civil conversation? What kind of space is that? Oh right... its X

[@sumnahlennon5449]

No one wants to be spammed constantly by a stranger. Especially if being spammed by hundreds of strangers. Infact,,I bet if I messaged you over and over you would block me and turn off notifications. Now imagine getting that in thd hundreds and thousanda

[@sumnahlennon5449]

Sega blocks people that complain about Sonic games. Ian Flynn blocks people that complain about his Sonic writer. Kishimoto and the Shadow Generations director blocks people complaining about changed dialogue in the Sonic Generations remaster. No one wants to be bombarded by hundreds, thousands of pesky strangers. Especially Sonjc fans who are already disliked by gamers

[@irrelevant739]

that does not look like a civil conversation

[@Hito48]

@@sumnahlennon5449 how is someone gonna get mad at people correcting them when theyre in the wrong lol

[@ItsLava_1]

@@Hito48People are immature af nowadays.

[@Ace-ls2xm]

Fun fact Ben is a sonic fan and has actually said he could beat goku but he just downplaying him to win the arguement😂

[@MarcusParoline-hr2wj]

Can’t wait to see what happens when you watch Bowser versus Eggman death battle

[@Maxjb1242]

In the beginning of the video, it was just trash talk, they didn’t actually think that about Metal Sonic . Another thing is that a lot of the time, they do whatever it takes to make the chat think their character would win, even if it’s a stretch, they don’t lie though. They say a lot that there are no real rules on cast and that if you want to lie and nobody catches you, that’s their fault. This is because it is a cast and not a serious Death Battle, it’s supposed to be mainly for fun.

[@Cessamon12]

Dude, this video is amazing. I love your sonic content the most. Please keep uploading!

[@Sleepy-Yeah]

It feels kinda unwarranted when I don't think you understand that a lot of things that Ben said was wrong as hell, but he's not like a main researcher. Ben does argue against Metal but you don’t see that Metal Sonic won by votes. The point of DBCasts is that it's just an hour long back and forth, not super in depth. Ben issues really a researcher for Death Battle, he only voices one of the characters. Is input about Sonic doesn’t change the results for a death battle anyways. There’s an entire research team for a reason, and he isn’t a part of it. Of course not everything is gonna be accurate when going off of memory and minimal research.

[@Warking19]

Also the fact that he says wrong stuff is the point of the debate. It's on the other person to call him out on it. Do people not know how debates work

[@thedrunkgiraffe8312]

Cell can blow up Solar Systems! Cool, so can Eggmans shipsn(or at least constellations), which neo metal is way above (the chaos emeralds themselves can literally merge universes and destroy them, and Metal would have beat super sonic if he hadn't been weakened by EVERYONE). Sonic himself ran across an infinite distance once.Excellent video.

[@JaMann6507]

wtf are you talking about, the Archie comics are not canon

[@animeboy200p2]

@JaMann6507 yes they are segabsaod everything is canon so archie is canon it just in a different universe

[@thedrunkgiraffe8312]

@JaMann6507 I never mentioned archie...

[@axiom6000]

@@thedrunkgiraffe8312Isn’t it crazy that he just assumed you were talking about stuff in Archie?

[@thedrunkgiraffe8312]

@@axiom6000 It's a bit weird. All Feats I listed were game. Unless neo metal is also in archie?

[@CallumJones-iu5rr]

Thank you showing how strong Metal sonic is and using proper research. Metal so is one of favorite Doctor Eggman's creation.Hope to see Cell Max vs Metal sonic.That would awesome!

[@dennismadrid5146]

at 4:30 when you mention about Knuckles always being in angel island, this was an exception. Knuckles wasn't there atm since this was after Sonic Forces so he was leading the "Resistance". Of course he went back to defending the angel island right after this conflic tho

[@DonovanGittens]

its funny because even in movie knuckles he doesn't want anyone messing with the master emerald

[@Xuga027]

Great to see a Sonic fan know about Sonic Rivals (and Rivals 2), that is only in Psp

[@The0-2DemonKing]

Bro did not watch the cast, METAL SONIC WON

[@Mandutumuch619]

Even so he’s right

[@The0-2DemonKing]

@Mandutumuch619 But casts aren't like Death Battle Episodes. It's literally like classic playground "debate your favorite character winning this" and then they tally every point who is convinced of each character, so they aren't omniscient and are prone to downplay like everyone else. I seriously don't get the "death battle biased" hate mainly because if anyone else was in their position, they would be levied the same criticism, just for different series'.

[@Mandutumuch619]

@ I agree and I’ve been a fan since the first goku vs Superman im a fan of both dbz and sonic

[@metalsonic4.1therobothedge24]

Metal would not be so downplayed if Sega themselves didnt nerf him due to bad writting really, IDW did not help at all with this

[@nathanbardol1236]

In IDW,Bro was gonna no diff surge,had to get jumped. Sonic and silver jumped him,they had to make him go away with telekinesis. He bodied shadow. Was going toe to toe with modern sonic. Wdym the comics didn't help?

[@marky191]

there’s no way metal can copy ki, it literally comes from your life force which more likely than not is deeper than your dna depending on how db works

[@nero_0714]

you're probably right, since it was never shown the android 16 (full android unlike 17 & 18), who is not a living being

[@marky191]

@ you’re totally correct actually, even the games show that the androids can’t charge ki because they’re androids

[@XThelegendX564]

Yeah metal sonic can not have ki he’s not a living being even the androids don’t have ki cause their not living your right

[@Mandutumuch619]

He can copy anything

[@Suitedbee]

He copys to do dna lvls of copy soooo i think he can but your not wrong soooo its 50/50

[@JamalJackson-p7x]

Bro, you said kirby games are mid, and then you have a kirby picture. The only thing in your room.

[@CobayneGredzinskibutler]

Don't forget that metal sonic hold his own against sonic and shadow at the same time in sonic boom

[@drumsy2239]

Sorry but its not canon

[@Mablejable]

hold on let him cook

[@TJ_EDITZ-g7k]

Fr

[@Chillin-jg8vg]

Exactly

[@SuperMario-hy3sm]

And people remember just so I don’t see any more hate I need y’all to know that death battle cast research is not the same level of research that they do in a regular episode after all death battle cast is more like a thing for fun so I don’t think they go too deep into the research ( not to excuse this video debunking)

[@rachelvieira397]

“Amy level” The first thing metal sonic ever been was literally kidnap Amy

[@Stepbutters]

I thought I was a sonic fan until I listened to your videos 💀💀💀

[@Sonic_datnagga]

This guy is one of the reason I love Sonic so much and why I know a lot about sonic

[@sfstudio1491]

Bro is spitting facts, I generally hate when any fandom of one character says that they're stronger than this other character because either 1. they didn't do their research or 2. they're biased.

[@paste7268]

The guy arguing for cell is literally a sonic fan

[@Skynetbear]

Hey buddy go watch more of these casts and you’ll see that these aren’t meant to decide the outcome they’re just for fun Hell, Metal Sonic won this cast

[@chino_7444]

Androids which are basically robots can use ki but metal sonic can’t

[@yesimnotcreative6312]

Think this is the first time I've seen someone go after a Death Battle Cast instead of an actual episode. But it feels kinda unwarranted when I'm not sure if he understands that, of course, a lot of things that Ben said was wrong as hell, but he's not like a main researcher. The point of DBCasts is that it's just an hour long back and forth, not going super in depth on research beyond memory and some sparce research for essentially a 50 minute live debate. It just seems more like a rant video on how bad Ben's Sonic knowledge is without realizing how the casts are handled and how little Ben's influence actuall is in the research just because he's the voice of Wiz. There's a whole team for that very reason and not just in the hands of Ben and Chad. This wouldn't be what Death Battle, as a whole, would be thinking if they actually had more time to go into it. Hell, even though yes, Cell gets wiped, and Metal scales to uni+ stuff no questions asked, several stuff in here were things that Liam (the person that was in Metal Sonic's corner) also said that Ben was wrong on. And again, Cell lost by vote Idk, something about this whole thing just rubs me the wrong way

[@Thepictureguy-h8g]

Ngl I feel the same way Death Battle proper is where they do real research. DBC is really more meant to be just bros having fun

[@paste7268]

Exactly what I'm thinking. Death battle cast plays basically no role in the research actual death battle episodes. They're mainly for fun and to explore possible match ups to be done in the future and done with only a few hours of research at most. I feel like ty doesn't even know what a DB cast is. This entire video just feels unnecessary

[@Agent-jm9nl]

i agree however when watching the proper episode you could really tell that there was a very heavy bias all around like yeah, metal won in the end anyway but man, i wish liam had spoken up half as much as this dude did, i'm like 90% certain more time was spent on ad reads than for Liam to advocate for Metal, so I can see how someone would feel the need to respond/more properly explain Metal's powers

[@magnitudex4347]

I think people really cared this time because Eggman vs Bowser is featuring Metal Sonic, and the research for that has been done since like February, so people wanted to watch this to see where they would scale Metal Sonic so that they know what to expect when going into Eggman vs Bowser, only for them to heavily downplay/downscale every aspect of Metal Sonic. But I don't think people realize that the scaling in these casts are almost never accurate to what it will be in actual episodes since it's different researchers for the actual death battle episodes. On top of scaling for verses changing rapidly between the casts. Hell, in the very next Death battle cast one of them brought up Multiversal Shadow with infinite speed.

[@justanaverageropesnake9772]

Mu thoughts exactly

[@Kohchu]

I think I completely lost it when I heard "Metal Sonic can't use ki, he's a robot. Even if he data copies it." Guys, I think you overlooked one very crucial detail... CELL, IS, AN, ANDROID, an android which in universe; is a bio-genetically engineered robot; in Cell's case, with the DNA of the greatest warriors in the galaxy inserted into his cells. And in that regard; all the Androids in DBZ, including Cell, can indeed use ki. Even Android 16, who is arguably the most Robot like of the Androids; barely thinking of anything other than his mission, is capable of utilizing Ki... This point doesn't even make sense from a universe standpoint, as it's clear that ki is just the physical incarnation of one's own spirit energy. The act of manifesting it is what makes it strong, and it's explained that most people don't have the willpower to use it properly. This is why most humans in DBZ like Hercule, can't do it... but others like Yamcha and Krillan can. I also don't think people factor in, that since Cell is indeed composed of the greatest warriors DNA, Metal Sonic would basically get a huge bargain deal with copying him. Not only would he get the data of Cell himself, but since Cell is composed of the data of: Goku, Krillan, Vegeta, Tien, Piccolo, Frieza and King Cold; Metal Sonic would essentially get ALL of these in one shot. This essentially goes from interesting; to absurdly one sided in a single scan... but hey; these things happen sometimes. Metal Sonic is kinda overpowered in general; since the ability to data copy and gain abilities is one of the most broken powers if used properly.

[@Golden_Official100]

OH MY GOD Why, as a big ass Sonic fan, never knew all this on Metal Sonic?? I mean, I 100% know that Metal Sonic is Sonic's biggest rival, and all that. But Biogenetic copying? That's new to me! Honestly, that was an insanely cool video to watch, man!

[@SuushsJshsjsj]

Idk if it adds that much to the debate but there's a video about how namek saga Frieza is universal

[@Noname_1-j4p]

That's a low ball in my eyes, he is around 5d

[@JaMann6507]

What makes someone “universal”

[@Noname_1-j4p]

@JaMann6507 capable of significantly affecting, creating, and/or destroying an area of space qualitatively larger than an infinitely-sized 3-dimensional space.

[@IDK-dude1]

Do not trust that, that’s a hyperbole

[@RackerTheRascalMashup]

Even then, if it is that second form Frieza statement by king kai then... That's anime Filler

[@ledotheking]

Dr eggman thought he created an invisible armored sonic, he was wrong.

[@lordenma4449]

Eggmans ideal didn't want to create a invincible metal sonic rather a stronger metal version of him

[@INFINITEFRGFRAGS]

2:18 so that's why Sega hates him...

[@SaddieMoon]

3:40 Full context? As I assumed at first he was talking about the time when Metal Sonic locked Eggman up in Heroes and took over his army.

[@GlenElvin]

All that I'm hearing is straight facts.This is why I subscribe to you

[@curseofapocalyspe]

Debunking a Death Battle episode is normal, but debunking a Death Battle Cast? Weird, you should know that the Cast version has way less research, plus you didn't even acknowledge that Metal Sonic won the cast.

[@SaadAhmad-i6y]

He makes the people who watched only this know the truth

[@SONICMAN-C]

shut up you b!!!

[@curseofapocalyspe]

@SaadAhmad-i6y Ehh, Death Battle Cast results are way less serious, I don't see the point.

[@thegreatyoutuber6310]

fun fact : some people think that game sonic is weak

[@TheOGWaddleDoo]

Death Battle does NOT know their Sonic facts. I don’t watch Death Battle and I don’t read IDW comics or have played many Sonic games, but Death Battle got 90% of their statements TERRIBLY wrong. What annoys me about them getting their facts wrong is how confident they are. That’s all. They just sound so confident about it. No fact checking, no past knowledge mentioned, nothing. It’s just raw statements.

[@Y.T.STachi]

Thats the thing about death battle people love/hate about them They are bias at times and not afraid to hide it.They have unfair battles and doesnt know how to properly powerscale and (im not 100% sure on this so dont quote me) have video where they list off death battles they made that was obviously unfair or skewed to one side. I personally dont take death battles seriously at all and for some people sake they shouldn't either

[@TheOGWaddleDoo]

@ Makes sense. To be fair I don’t watch death battle so I don’t really know how they do things. But I definitely shouldn’t be resenting much hate to them just because of their confidence in what they say.

[@darklight1171]

​@@TheOGWaddleDoo yeah, when they made the rematch of sonic vs Mario I gave up on them being factual. It's just to come by to see cool animation and voice acting at this point.

[@paste7268]

Then you should know that DB doesn't take DB cast very seriously either. It's mainly just friendly banter and to explore future matchups and they do very surface level research for it. Ofc they don't actually think some of the stuff they say during DB cast. Most of that is just sarcasm or else they just straight up lie to turn the votes in their favour. That's just the nature of DB cast and it plays literally no role during actual research of death battle episodes

[@TraffiJam]

Metal Sonic isnt given enough respect nowadays, especially in games like forces. Metal has matched sonic multiple times and itd be nice to see him get another big role like in heros

[@isamyousseftheboi]

If you ever wanna consult any anime or cartoon character, just look at versus battle wiki it’ll tell you they’re overall complete stats

[@st0rmerc00l8]

*their (Sorry) You r right, versus battle wiki does lots of the heavy lifting for us and makes it easy...

[@gachagush288]

2m let's gooooooo 0:09 who let the sink in

[@imasink]

Do not disrespect my boy like that

[@Nutgrab]

4:53 “We do extensive research on our characters” my ass 😭

[@Thehonoredoneisbackfr]

10:34 love you to papi😫😫

[@AndrewBlackwood-m8h]

Ayooo what pause

[@erikkopeprikko]

Bro's feeling romantical.

[@Langford-Artist]

I don’t think people truly understand how powerful Sonic and his characters are in the games everyone knows that the comic versions are insane but when you actually pay attention to the games lore and not the gameplay mechanics that are there for gameplay reasons and not actual lore Sonic, Shadow, Silver, Metal Sonic etc all easily have multi universal levels of power and it’s nuts But that’s why I love it

[@editor1s]

I my personal opinion I think that it would be a close fight because we’re also forgetting about the fact that call can regenerate even though I still think that metal sonic would win I think that it a pretty close fight as they both have some very over powered abilities to help them in battle but in a fight my opinion would be that metal sonic would win high difficulty W video ❤❤❤

[@RandomShenanigians2]

Who would win? Curious George or Brenda (Willyandgaming)

[@JaMann6507]

Sonic’s biggest rival is NOT metal sonic, it’s been shadow for years now.

[@A_literal_supernova]

@@JaMann6507 Can you prove that or are you just going to yap? The Bio doesn’t lie. Plus, Metal Sonic has better highs than Shadow.

[@JaMann6507]

@@A_literal_supernovaShadow defeated Metal Sonic in his strongest form with a surfboard. Get that fraud outta here.

[@A_literal_supernova]

@@JaMann6507 That was past Metal Sonic, obviously he’s weaker.

[@fel_iscool]

​@@JaMann6507 bro did NOT pay attention to the video 💔💔

[@ByronNina-em8bb]

Bro, even Sega says that metal sonic is his biggest rival + his name literally says “metal sonic” you could literally tell bro. Shadow is mad different from sonic in so many ways😭😭

[@Roachman1256]

Yall people need to stop sleeping on metal sonic

[@RareCheese425]

This is the only guy that I've heard of that isn't scared to say that hes a sonic fan and isn't a sonic KZbinr

[@TwinTailedPup]

I love when you do these vids!

[@TSE-e4z]

This man is peak content😂

[@Slimdum]

Oh no sink broke in the room

[@Nova-_-Nova8]

It's actually crazy how who ever voices Wiz is getting a lot of stuff wrong about Sonic lore and scaling. Death battle In general scaling Sonic is really inconsistent

[@TheDarkMaster312]

At the end of the scream I Super Donated to pop him with some 'yeah ur wrong lol' and he rolled his eyes and said something about context I was referring to base sonic and shadow in generations beating bosses that required super forms and how metal from IDW should scale above weaker versions of super sonic, such as the one who fought Solaris then I asked 'can cell beat Solaris? no?'

[@sumnahlennon5449]

​@@TheDarkMaster312Sonic cannot beat Solaris himself. 3 characters present past and future plus chaos emeralds. If Sonic can use emeralds, Cell can use Dragon Balls

[@sumnahlennon5449]

​@@TheDarkMaster312IDW, Ian Flynn. The same Ian Flynn who said Sonic's max speed is probably about 3000 miles per hour. Or Sonic Frontiers which indicated Sonic was not fast enough to get to multiple parts of that Island which was only a few hundred kilometers, so he needed Tails Knuckles and Amy. If you want to use Super Sonic with Chaos Emerald help, then Cell may as well use Dragon Balls or Super Dragon Balls. Its only fair

[@BoughtCanoe]

@@sumnahlennon5449”If sonic gets chaos emeralds, cell gets dragon balls” Not how it works Sonic is known to use the chaos emeralds on the regular Cell isn’t known to use the dragon balls on the regular or at all. Use ians statements with a grain of salt dude.

[@irrelevant739]

note that you said the guy that voices Wiz because that's what he does, he doesn't do the research or debate the results for the show

[@islamgaza-tp7gf]

Comparing Metal Sonic from *Sonic the Hedgehog* with Cell from *Dragon Ball Z* is intriguing, but the answer largely depends on the context and the versions of the characters in question. Here's a breakdown of their strengths: Metal Sonic - **Speed**: Metal Sonic can move at hypersonic speeds, potentially rivaling Sonic's fastest feats. - **Power**: He has access to various energy attacks, and in some iterations (e.g., Metal Overlord in *Sonic Heroes*), his power reaches godlike levels. - **Durability**: Being a robot, he has high durability and resistance to physical attacks. - **Intelligence**: Metal Sonic is highly intelligent and can analyze opponents’ weaknesses in battle. Cell - **Speed**: Cell's speed is on par with or faster than most characters in the *Dragon Ball Z* universe, especially in his Perfect form. His movement often outpaces perception. - **Power**: As a bio-engineered fighter, Cell can destroy planets with ease and rival some of the strongest Z Fighters. - **Durability and Regeneration**: He can regenerate from almost any injury as long as his nucleus remains intact, making him extremely hard to kill. - **Ki-Based Attacks**: Cell's energy blasts, including the Solar Kamehameha, are devastating on a massive scale. --- Who Wins? 1. **Power**: Cell vastly outclasses Metal Sonic in raw destructive power. Metal Sonic has advanced energy weapons, but they are unlikely to rival Cell's planet-busting capabilities. 2. **Speed**: Both are incredibly fast, but Cell’s speed feats in the *Dragon Ball* universe involve teleportation-like movement and fighting at speeds that can overwhelm even Saiyan warriors. 3. **Durability**: While Metal Sonic is durable, Cell’s regeneration gives him a significant edge. Even if Metal Sonic managed to inflict significant damage, Cell could recover almost instantly. 4. **Intelligence**: Both characters are intelligent in their own right, but Cell’s combat adaptability and experience in facing stronger opponents would likely give him the upper hand. --- Conclusion In most scenarios, Cell would likely win due to his overwhelming power, regeneration, and energy-based attacks. However, if Metal Sonic were in one of his more powerful forms (e.g., Metal Overlord) and had sufficient preparation, he might stand a chance by exploiting Cell's reliance on his nucleus.

[@evgeniydunaenko4893]

Video is actually sick, those guys on call got cooked 😂. I have an idea for vid, “what if Sonic used master emerald to become super sonic.” I’m actually really curious of how strong he will be. If you see this comment consider this as an idea for a video. Hope you see it👍

[@paste7268]

The only thing cooked is your brain if you genuinely think that a death battle cast is meant to be a serious discussion 😂

[@evgeniydunaenko4893]

@@paste7268 did you fr think I was saying this seriously.

[@Shamboil]

Saying metal sonic is Amy level is like saying frezia is Krillin level

[@justaperson9504]

People everytime a dragon ball character fight they said "nah, he win, the other is bad", bro, people can't see that theres people more stronger than dragon ball characters, they overpower them everytime.

[@A_literal_supernova]

Metal Sonic negs, w video

[@abdeljalalrachdimali350]

Cell >

[@A_literal_supernova]

@ No? Cell is Solar system at max and high uni with wank. Metal Sonic is far above that.

[@abdeljalalrachdimali350]

@@A_literal_supernova just bc he said he could destroy the solar system doesnt makes him solar system level lil bro 💀🙏

[@abdeljalalrachdimali350]

@@A_literal_supernova by that logic kid gohan from garlic jr movie beats cell 🤣

[@A_literal_supernova]

@@abdeljalalrachdimali350 Translation: “Cell doesn’t know his own power level and I can’t prove his words are wrong, thats why I can only spam emojis”

[@AkeemReese]

Tyrecordslol so are we just going to ignore the fact that second form frieza had enough power to destroy the universe. And goku needed to gather energy from the whole freaking universe to make a spirit bomb to try to defeat frieza and it still didn’t work. And cell just by transforming in to his perfect self gave off so much energy , the namekians on new Namek felt his immense power from across the universe. They stated that cell just from existing was a major threat to the universe, and possessed infinite battle power. This fight is a lot closer than you think and that’s just a lowball for perfect cell.

[@SuperiorGokuGT]

“B-b-but, it’s hyperbole!!!”

[@SuperiorGokuGT]

Crazy how I scaled both Frieza and Cell to High Universal with infinite speed in my videos

[@DamiOkeke]

​@SuperiorGokuG yea your special

[@Umbra_Ursus]

Funny trivia with just how powerful Metal's copy ability is? He copied Chaos, *indirectly:* He just needed a random chao, and a creature that had contact with Chaos. I'd also like to note that they treated it like Shadow besting Metal was some big feat: It was to a sneak attack, and Metal has canonically beaten Shadow the same way.

[@Stan-ce4oz]

Cell has *Regeneration* And Metal Sonic doesrn have a countet to that.

[@Mandutumuch619]

Disintegration counters regen or simply knocking him out like hulk and Spider-Man did to wolverine

[@Keisezrgs]

What is regeneration gonna do when Neo Metal is stronger than a Post Forces Sonic who’s Complex Multi in Base 💀. Even if you use Toei scaling (IE Movies, Anime Filler and Databooks) Cell caps at like High Uni with Inaccessible-Immeasurable Speed. Sonic by CD can travel in negative seconds and fix time and space by running in Gens.

[@RalMaybe]

@@Keisezrgs Its funny because sonic and metal will be hundreds of times stronger by the next game so they can contend with a stronger villain like usual.

[@toystolife1678]

Fun fact: This was the same Death Battle Cast episode where Metal Sonic won... and yet he’s trying to debunk it as if Cell won… In a podcast where it’s just meant to be two people debating for fun and repping their respective characters then being decided by votes… Where the research isn’t meant to be as detailed or as serious as an actual episode and it’s more excusable to misremember certain things because there’s only only a few days to prepare and this is (again) just meant to be for fun. (Hell there’s even moments where Liam corrects Ben in certain things)...

[@Retro-shru]

Tyrecords is a scumbag. His Mario vs Sonic videos prove it, the guy will side with Sonic no matter what and he'll twist and dismiss any arguments that debunk his BS.

[@carolynmouton6318]

1:53 cell does not get your abilities when he consumes someone . Thats super buu who can do that

[@soundblaster1625]

Cell - Made to be PERFECT Metal Sonic - Made to SURPASS perfection

[@Calipso-tq3ww]

I agree with you in everything and the thing with Metal in he doesnt have a stamina limit and since he CAN keep up with Sonic, he has a very high chance of beating him.

[@KVI76]

Please underestimate the sonic verse, I mean you could scale Cream above all of Z😭

[@brandonnix7278]

Pretty sure y'all don't understand the context of Death Battle cast it's just a podcast where they talk random matchups which most of the time isn't fully researched and two people have to agrue for the character their representing regardless if the agruement is right or not so having a response or "debunk" to it is downright pointless and Metal won the cast anyway

[@Jay_Hendrix]

If DB is allowed to opine off the cuff for an hour, my man Tyrecordslol is allowed to opine in response to their opining. DB doesn't get a free pass because they're this great big production while everyone else shuts up and keeps their hot takes to themselves. This double standard is the only pointless thing here. Come up for air.

[@brandonnix7278]

@@Jay_Hendrix The fuck are you on about? This has nothing to do with Death Battle being a big company the casts are literally just them spouting bullshit on the spot that they don't even agree with.

[@static669]

Death battle are the same people who stated Metal Sonic is slower than Zero from megaman...how dare they disrespect my goat 😭

[@megajude5348]

I’m a fan of both AND I STILL AGREE

[@reserven5795]

That example is so egregious I'm sad most people don't seem to know it. Their ruling comes from Megaman Mega mix. A manga that is radically different in ruleset. Whereas its true Quickman can move FTL in the story, Megaman never beats Quick man. He just survives long enough(with help) to copy a time stop power to bail. Horrendous research they didn't even read the story

[@-Aboomdale-]

When it comes to the sonic universe and Saiyans, death battle downplays them HARD.

[@irrelevant739]

​@@-Aboomdale- yeah they downplayed Goku super hard when they had him at immeasurable speed and had Broly beat Hulk

[@-Aboomdale-]

@irrelevant739 The only reason goku got scaled to that was because they had to correct it from the first superman vs goku battle. And broly only won because they needed a popularity boost, so they made him win against world breaker hulk. In any other instance they DO downplay saiyans from the DragonBall continuity.

[@LuizOSonicfan]

6:23 In Sonic the Comic, Sonic actually used the Master Emerald to Super, but Knuckles was knocked out because of the Metallix Mk II. was using the Master Emerald to charge itself

[@LeviGoober]

I don't care if it's balanced or not, metal sonic vs mahoraga, I wanna see the adaptation of the century

[@Jinickyedits]

Sonic's strongest rival is shadow or blaze

[@Retro-shru]

IDK about Blaze

[@Yipee-c62]

ok so that means eggman vs bowser is biased too…

[@electricion712]

That fight was really dependent on what they gave Eggman access to. Since, they didn’t actually gave Eggman access to the Egg Wizard or the Time Eater, the outcome kinda makes sense. It’s weird how they mentioned them without actually using them.

[@randomperson-real]

time eater/metals chaos control/metal overlord/infinite was lowballed/master emerald/the titans/infinite clones/shadow andriods werent used at all

[@Yipee-c62]

yeah, tbh they only payed attention to a few details, and nerfed infinite

[@twilightwolf6248]

@@electricion712 Yeah but they gave Bowser literally everything including the Mario and Luigi games

[@KaiSmith-b3e]

@@twilightwolf6248did they not give everything to egg man ?

[@meowsquared]

Metal Sonic at base alone is already wiping the floor with Cell, even without copying his data. Neo Metal would turn that man into a victim. Now if Metal went and copied his data, he'd be a whole different can of worms, because he'd basically be yoinking Cell's data alongside all the data from other characters that Cell is made up of. He'd be able to perfectly use ki with the exact same level of proficiency as Cell if not greater, and would have access to ALL of his techniques. This fight is less than one-sided. Cell isn't even a contender.

[@charmingmagican9821]

Neo metal gets solod by cell ngl

[@SansINess53]

​@@charmingmagican9821you only watched DBZ but never read the manga nor see the sonic games.

[@SuperiorGokuGT]

Huge NLF, cell slams metal in all type of ways

[@blahquinnyblah]

It's like the same thing with Silver. Everyone thinks he's weak af but he dog walked everyone. Also didn't he go toe to toe with an insanely powered Scourge?

[@kaih_the_viewer]

5:48 ALSO Angel Island would fall out of the sky the MOMENT master emerald is taken from it. It’s LITERALLY a *MASSIVE* plot point in the very comic they are referencing. We even see it almost hit the water when Knuckles returns the master emerald to its spot.

[@nathanbardol1236]

10:19 10:25 NAH,he did you dirty,the man couldn't handle the Truth,he got humbled. Good job,@Tyrecoldslole

[@botatobotato123]

hold on i cant watch rn 😭

[@CarlosGarcia91000]

Metal sonic and sonic ain’t beating flash though

[@beastbass1]

actually, the copy thing aside, Emerl did the same thing; whether Emerl or Metal is better at copying, Emerl will manipulate his body to mimic his opponents. At this point, i wouldnt be surprised if Eggman gave metal a copy ability on par if not better than Emerl had.

[@averagezenyattamain322]

"Nobody has ever gotten as close to beating Sonic as Metal Sonic has" Mephiles killed him yeah it was a sneak attack but it still counts imo

[@Moolazi]

THIS MAN MUST BE HIRED BY DEATH BATTLE SO THAT THE RESULTS CAN BE CLEARER AND BETTER!!!!

[@paste7268]

Ty isn't even a proper scaler 😭

[@Retro-shru]

Ty is legit one of the most biased people in the community, if he ever was in charge he'd ruin everything.

[@JaMann6507]

Metal is in no way above universal. I need Sonic fans to PLEASE stop over-exaggerating the strength of these characters

[@CypherUltraKingSonic]

Sometimes The Truth Hurts Man

[@JaMann6507]

@ The truth being that metal sonic easily gets stomped by cell. Sonic Fans need to stop lying to themselves about Ts.

[@ceoofdinosaurs4276]

Why are you debunking a death battle cast it’s just a debate between two people and Metal won anyway 😭

[@Mandutumuch619]

To be fair they needed to be debunked cus they said outlandish things

[@ceoofdinosaurs4276]

@@Mandutumuch619 Casts genuinely aren’t that serious they have like a hour to research them at most. Also you’re allowed to lie in casts it’s on the other person to point out these lies and counter them.

[@ceoofdinosaurs4276]

You aren’t really supposed to take them seriously they’re just like for fun

[@paste7268]

​@@Mandutumuch619 the only thing "outlandish" here is that you feel the need for there to be a debunk video made for a *DB cast episode* which is literally only done for fun and to explore possible MU's...

[@OnlyAnimeAudio]

The worst part about responding to things like this is not getting a response back at all

[@Dripper_boi]

crazy how metal can do all that but still get shit on by sonics plot armour