Death of the illusory self... Warning: Discussing sensitive topic [CLIP]

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Death of the illusory self
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[@rationalmystic5]

This channel is a public service. You have to have some idea how much you are helping heal people and bring an understanding of what they are going through. In case you do not have that idea .....please know this is a tremendous release . Very comforting and warm. Just to know that one is not alone in this journey and there are people who are going through what one has been through is such a comfort . Deep gratitude for all your videos . I'm binging on them since I discovered your channel a few days back. Warm regards. 🙏😌

[@suzanne-chang]

Thank you so much :D Warms my heart to hear this. Much love!

[@macparker3549]

Jaguar, Well said and totally agreed!🙏💥🫥

[@life13525]

so so true...

[@awkwardreactions9492]

@@suzanne-chang ✋🏽🙋🏾‍♂️ I subscribed.. thanks for coming into my Life

[@lambolim2178]

the point of the non duality message is that there is no you as a person. The person is trying is seek comfort from the message, nothing right or wrong but its not really what the non duality message is about.

[@StuartJ]

A rare discussion, that so many people refuse to talk about, or recoil in horror. So many speakers in this space, put far too much positivity on awakening. It raises expectations. We need more people like Suzanne and Robert Saltzman to keep things real. Thank you.

[@macparker3549]

Well said, Stuart! Thank you for your clarity. 🙏

[@ProjectMoff]

To be awake means to be clear and clarity eliminates problems. If you still have problems then how can you claim awakening? Also to be clear doesnt mean you no longer feel pain, pain is only a problem when its percieved as one, suffering and pain are different nodes. To be awake isnt postive or negative its just a realisation that all is as it is.

[@life13525]

had the same thought after watching......the positivity being sold keeps a carrot dangling...and the hope going...

[@saralamuni]

This is why selfless compassion must be developped alongside non-dual wisdom; a bird needs two wings to fly. That way when the self goes, there is still purpose, there is still meaning. The sentient beings, my dear Suzanne... their suffering seems real to them.

[@macparker3549]

Lovely and honest and strangely reassuring. Something in me has ALWAYS known that there is no true liberation or healing without a willingness to face whatever is most pained within us. And here this pain still sits in defiance, unwilling or unable to let go until it is fully seen for what it is. So I continue to be with it as best I can. Lovely, open and brave sharing from your guests. Lovely presence from you as you be with all of it from such a place of tenderness and recognition. Such a gift to share this. I am touched by your story of meeting your friend and finding that seeing his brokenness allowed you to contact yours. Beautiful and inspiring. Such a blessing to a world still largely convinced that the way to limit suffering is to try to avoid it any way we can. And here you are, pointing us right to the heart of it. Deep gratitude to you for the tenderness and courage in this. May everyone who needs it find their way to exactly this…

[@macparker3549]

Yes, “no words,” yet still you communicate with such clarity. Thank you, truly.

[@ettome]

"As the years pass, the number of those we can communicate with diminishes. When there is no longer anyone to talk to, at last we will be as we were before stooping to a name."

[@CBT5777]

I am going through the suffering of 14 years benzodiazepine dependence and withdrawal healing. I'm 16 months sober and still miserable. I can't have one drop of any drug for the rest of my life. I have nothing to numb the pain anymore. No one knows psychosis, emptiness, depression, anxiety, pain and suffering like we do. Be thankful for your health and take care of your body. It's all you have while it lasts.

[@Yoganflogan]

If you haven't already found him you may find Paul Hedderman helpful - lots of talks on you tube. 16 months sober that's brilliant (even if it feels like shit).

[@rebekanewbold507]

But you are also here listening to non dual truth. You might reach that peace you seek soon. I know benz wd well. I have a video up about it. But it brought me to awakening. So it was worth it. Usually people see more healing year two. I'm wishing your body healing friend. ❤

[@jeffreygalket5883]

God, I’m exactly where the second person on here is. My mind is being tossed between two realities or something. No self awareness then the most intense ego bound feelings in the world rise up with insane intensity. Nothing is wrong and I’m going crazy.

[@quinnb3109]

Same here. This is me now. This comment was a while ago so I was wondering. Have you had any success in changing this?

[@Alodie101]

Wow! Goodness ! Thank-you on behalf of humanity Suzanne for being there for people. You help people to hang in there, in all of the nameless craziness, when know one else is understanding the confusion and grief, the letting go. Boy oh boy, it makes me very thoughtful and reflective............

[@danriffraff37]

So beautiful Suzanne and questioners....Really needed to see this atm going through exactly the same...Shit is pretty fucked up! Been crting most days for the past week...The frustration and anger is immense also...Feels like reaching breaking point...No one understands me but thats ok because most people aren't ready to face that which as you say the self is siting on top of! Man its a dark place but when there has been flashes of the light you know what is right! :) So grateful for your support Suzanne...Thank you ❤

[@eliesaad674]

For the past 9 months, I have been going through this without knowing if it would ever stop. I felt like I was doing my healing work times 10. I'm going through this alone with no friends or family who understand. It's good to see that others are experiencing a similar feeling, and I feel less alone. I'm starting to experience more acute emotional storms. I've cut out all obsessive or addictive behaviours.

[@celestialinfinite9017]

How did you cut them out? If I may ask

[@eliesaad674]

@@celestialinfinite9017 Well, each behavior or addiction was related to an unresolved trauma I was suppressing. I had to put myself in the no-shame mindset. Then realized that it was ok to express each behavior to its limit and then cut it down step by step. You reparent behaviors in a dynamic and ever-changing way to better your chances for success. Think of the reverse "Pavlov's Dog Theory." Replace the conditioned response with incremental changes to the equation. For example, prolonging the time between the bell ring (trigger) and the food (reward) can build up endurance. In addition, I stay clear of the term "RELAPSE." For me, that word means "Failure." In the example of AA, if you drank after two years of being sober, you did not relapse in my eyes. You are still recovering, which means you're still learning. Go back to your AA meetings and keep working at it. I think pride, ambition, conformity, and shame will keep you dependent on any coping mechanism. I hope that answers your question. Be kind and patient with yourself when you have the space to do so!

[@sujeetjha]

@@eliesaad674 It really answered the question and it was helpful for me too.

[@ABeautifulEarthForOurChildren]

aren't emotional storms obsessive ?

[@julianrobus]

Sounds very familiar 😊🙏❤️

[@NEdler22]

This is so incredibly helpful beyond words. "No one knows what this is like until it happens to them." That statement helps so much. I'm going through this...all of the reading about emptiness and non-duality and once it starts to happen you can't stop it or return from it. I appreciate you all sharing this. I'm in the oscillations...Thank you 🙏✨

[@InfiniteStormBringer]

Found out alcohol really makes the emotions feel worse - I can't recommend anything to anyone more than to not consume alcohol on this part of the path, lost too many to it and suicide it is a very delicate time and so glad you are doing this work Suzanne you see how much it helps just a little hope. Thank you

[@macparker3549]

Important to say… And also feels important to say how dangerous it can be to pile on ANY of the ways we all inevitably stumble in this treacherous part of the terrain. As Suzanne models so beautifully, compassion, from self and others, is what we’re dying for here, not one more critique of how we have made a terrible mistake. Love and care to all in this incredibly vulnerable territory… 🙏💜🫥

[@life13525]

thank you all so much for sharing...love this rawness...here too...this aloneness...

[@life13525]

P.S:: your shorter hair style suits you really well....beautiful

[@virgilioshu]

"I am this", 'this' is the self-constructed self, 'this' is understood and the understood feels safe, when 'this' is dissolved comes the unknown and the unknown causes fear, the clinging and reinforcement of 'this', the maintenance of safety is what causes people to commit against reason. Change is for the brave.

[@SimonM282]

This is a great topic. Thanks for posting it Suzanne. Like you analogy of recurring tornadoes that slowly reduce in intensity - very much relates to my experience. And all of it happening to no-one. What has been helpful for me is to totally allow the emotion, whatever it is, and to just feel it for as long as it needs to be felt. It seems these repressed emotions are just longing to be included and felt. Great you are posting these videos. ❤

[@NEdler22]

Yes! Allowing the emotions has been so helpful for me too. And letting it be there, noticing it as energy felt in the body. What a total shift that creates from our usual conditioning. I'm grateful to see others commenting and sharing here about this topic. Thanks for sharing your thoughts too

[@UC241]

I am confident that sharing these expressions of turmoil can and will help many face and pass through hard times they may be experiencing.

[@and.rew.tran.]

When the woman expressed herself at 10:51, I had just burst into tears. I was going through a lot of what she was going through; trying to continually do the right thing, being a role model for others, getting along with people, putting my time and energy into the spiritual path to be a better person with and for others. I earned my degree, found a job, found a place to live, and seemed to be settled. There's a creeping thought in my head that says, "You should be happy, you should be happy, you should be happy." But no. There was a lot of suffering piling up underneath the façade, a lot of loneliness and fear of just not knowing "how to be", and the persona just dissolved when I saw that there was another human being experiencing similar emotions just like me. I felt less alone and so many emotions were released, acknowledged, and embraced for what they simply were by witnessing your conversation with this woman. Thank you, Suzanne, your witness and testimony of your life has saved mine. I have just signed up for your Patreon community and am looking forward to meeting you and the community 🙏

[@UC241]

Sometimes the hardest thing to do may be the best thing, for example; Being still and fully experiencing emotional turmoil, actually embracing it and gradually even being thankful for it. Eventually it is helpful when one can be thankful for everything! Nothing excluded! Even the worst of what life presents in our awareness... The main point being the ability to observe... while noting that the I is not what is observed, including thoughts, emotions, body, sensations, etc. Those are the roller coaster waves in this ocean of experiences being embraced and released.

[@woundedsoulhealer2652]

Thank You… Been going thru this awhile, I thought I was somewhat prepared for these things. However, lately there has been a whole new wave of heavy sensations… so good to get feedback from others 🙏

[@hellucination9905]

I'm happy for you that your void stage passed. Your older video made me anxious. It remembered me of my nihilistic dissociative states regarding CPTSD.

[@adheeshmartinstolten3739]

Thank you for bringing the message so clear. It is so calming and refreshing to listen to the words coming from a place of peace love and understanding. Wishing you well and having a wonderful time🌈 Thank you so much. Love

[@collisioncoursewiththecosm367]

Thank you Suzanne, this brought me so much closer to processing this intuition that has been coming in lately. My grandmother just passed 6 months ago and yesterday I had this phone call with my dad and he told be that he was planning on having his brother buy him out of his rights of owning half of the land my grandparents have owned since he was a kid and then buying a little old house in Spain where he would fix it up and eventually live there. I felt so sad, but pretended to be fine with his idea. When I got off the phone, I became overcome with this sadness and broke down and cried. I went to get ready to leave the house so I went into the bathroom to put on some make up and kept tearing up in the mirror. Suddenly, for a split second, it was as if I saw through the eyes of God as I processed these words of Francis Lucille, “In this moment, do not take yourself to be a person, (a man or a woman)”,- this person with tears in her eyes looking at me. I felt what she felt but at the same time was absolutely indifferent to her almost as if I had no relation to her. I accept that what I am has no power to stop what is happening, I only observe everything that the character is going through and I feel what she feels and also do not want her to be sad, and ultimately by that same token, I don’t want her to die. In other words, I care about her and love her. I can see how fundamentally free this sadness makes her when I recognize who it is who knows it, who feels it, who sees her. This seeing while knowing who I am and who I am not frees the sadness itself, and reveals its true form to me as God’s love. And in this recognition that sorrow is not my sorrow but actually divine love, I love this sorrow as I love myself, as I love God. This sorrow is really my love and prayer for protection for this appearance of a body, and that is so beautiful. When this sorrow is recognized for what it really is, it doesn’t seem to hurt anymore. The same frequency is registered at a different octave and it isn’t painful, but beautiful and even intoxicating. It feels like the only thing that can really “touch” me. Nothing else seems to come close to that. Thank you for always exposing your heart, Emelia.

[@macparker3549]

What a lovely story and description. Thanks for sharing it… 🙏💜🫥

[@SP-qi8ur]

What is God to you?

[@NEdler22]

Wow thank you for sharing that. Your statement about sorrow is so well articulated and expressed. Thank you for giving words to that and sharing.

[@catherinesoubre1804]

So great to hear these talks, listening to the lady talking about the chaos of emotions, of anger and frustrations. I could not find an explanation for those feelings. What is coming up is the idea of a “good” person and its opposite. Hadn’t realised how much conflict was created by duality. A few tears were released ❤️

[@ptanji]

Yes. here too. duality is the source of my pain ... or so it seems.

[@deni0404]

Wow, the Power of the Emptiness at the end of this felt FULL & Magnificent! 🤗🙌💗 Great sharings. I feel like the crazy up/down whackamo behavior/energy “we” seem to experience is the contracted energy working itself out. Dissipating, relaxing into the boundless emptiness that it is; which Suzanne expressed so beautifully. Thank you 🙏 blessed by the hearing of this

[@jordanking8692]

Wonderful for you to share your path. I am so excited your videos are getting more and more grounded and practical. My identification with the false self is partial and the release is unresolved. Your concept that full awakening may not come without the requisite support is spot on. I understand intuitively that I am letting my "self" go on a certain pace that is challenging but also probably reflects inner wisdom.

[@jaymhill]

When they said "I'm over it" I felt that 🤌🏾

[@jimrich4192]

Therapy helped me find & then vent or release an absolute ocean of hidden, denied, bottled up & REPRESSED, bitter & hateful, MURDEROUS feelings-energies that I had unwittingly been stuffing down somewhere inside of my self since about 5 y.o. it's called Toxic Shame & it came from my parents at first. Therapy also helped me find the CORRECT TARGET for my anger, sorrow & emotional damges...my parents & when I began directing my hateful feeling back towards my own parents, I STOPPED punishing the WRONG targerts...my self, wives, siblings, coworkers, strangers, etc. Now, nonduality is helping undo or loose the egoic self that was damaged in childhood ,allowing Life to happen smoother & happier. Therapy had to come first, in my case.

[@brysonmercury]

So you said you don't know what it's like going through it alone. I'd consider that to be the case for this body. On top of that this body spends 90% of the time alone. It's a mind fuck. You're forced to be with your thoughts and all that shit storm within. This body has considered ending itself at times because of how meaningless everything is. And the state of the world triggers the body a lot. The body feels so lonely. Nobody understands, it's impossible to communicate with words. Sometimes even hobbies stop bringing joy for a while. Now though it seems Suzanne has somehow helped recognize what is happening. Before nothing made sense. But then you said something about how nobody owns the thoughts, there is noone here. And that is how it is right now. It has been like this for the last 3 days and it's not going away. There is just this, the story. Thank you!

[@macparker3549]

Bryson, So happy for you to find this recognition/point of connection. I agree that Suzanne’s expression of this is beyond value! Best wishes to you… 🙏💜🫥🪶

[@theoocahain7780]

😳 😀 12:26 mark Her cat was TOTALLY trying to console her and trying to give comfort.

[@sahamal_savu]

Thank you so much for this, I really needed to find this channel right now.

[@jimrich4192]

In therapy, I was taught how to SAFELY release-vent the deep & bitter rage that was bottled up inside of this. I wrote about my angry feelings in many journals but mostly did a open LOT OF WEEPING... which upset some others but I the pain, anger & deep sorrow just had to come out. The emotional POISON. from my own parents, just had to be released! THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED HERE....

[@Anita-hl5qj]

Much love to everyone ❤️

[@okSiri..]

Merry Christmas Anita

[@ProjectMoff]

Children especially love their fantasies, they love imagination, they're not interested in sorting it into real and unreal, they take it at face value for what it is. As we develop and become conditioned with more concepts on what "should" be, we are taught to divide and separate more and more, we label imagination as unreal and so most find less pleasure in it than in their childhoods and many more end up misusing it to breed destructive desire because they can't take a thought as a thought, to them it has to be made real or bust. This is when "the meaning and the point just goes", the baby is thrown out with the bathwater, meaning and point is labelled as unreal and discarded rather than being taken for what it is, meaning is real in it's own sense just as a thought is a thought, but people wish their thoughts were "real" , but again we are conditioned to see imagination as a lesser experience. To say "there really is no quality to anything" is to miss the quality of everything, if I say unicorns exist most would laugh, but if I explain that it exists in the form of an idea they would say "well that doesnt matter", they've devalued the value merely because it is subtle. As Dogen stated in relation to the concept of Zen, "Before one studies Zen, mountains are mountains and waters are waters; after a first glimpse into the truth of Zen, mountains are no longer mountains and waters are no longer waters; after enlightenment mountains are once again mountains and waters are once again waters". This is because the reality is recognised for what it is rather than being sorted into any kind of importance or hiarachy. Real and unreal, reality and non reality, these are delusions. Minds love to convert because that is the function of mind, sugar cannot taste it's own sweetness, the knife doesn't cut itself, all that is perceived is function and what is percieved is a symbol of reality, imagine you're the fire and all you percieve is the smoke, you cannot know your existence by direct perception, light doesnt shine on itself, you can "know" it by being it's function (which "you" "are") and not rushing to label it and confine the boundless and infinite to a thought form and then a label. Even what I am saying now is not the truth, no word or thought is, words and thoughts are creative tools, proxies, representatives and they are best used for their forgotten but easily remembered purpose and that is not to dictate what reality is or isnt but to paint on the canvas of "self" for lack of a better term, of course early man would have known that the pattern they mentally drew a line around and made a sound to reference their imagined distinction was a creation, but today we dont realise that the reality we apparently see is without form, separation and not made of labels, becuase people arent taught the basic principle of what language is, or thought, they take it at face value and adopt the map while never seeing the territory. Most who reach the stage of seeing the illusion snap back into labelling mode and drawing stories from their perceptions and taking their paintings for photographs, there is meaning in life, just because it's a created idea and a concept doesn't make it any less valuable than what is ignorantly considered "real". Lastly I'd like to touch on "emptiness", this is a concept that leads many to depression, because its taken as a conclusion, the label is given domination of importance, empty is labeled bad, meaningless and all other brances of thought. "Cast clay into a pot; the emptiness inside makes it useful." - Lao Tzu How can you have anything without the furtile blank canvas? What use is a full canvas to an artist? If you are ever feeling like you are unattatched and free but you feel sad, this is a big flashing red light, there is still attatchment to the concept of emptiness, dont confuse the concept with that it rests upon.

[@333_studios]

Gracias

[@misterneckbreaker88]

A old friend of mine took his own life in 2020. I didnt understand why, he had a new born baby, had lots of friends. I thought he had it all. Myself im at rock bottom i have my demons but i could never take my life i rather see it through ill let nature run its course ill go when i go. 😮

[@angelmoon8114]

Wow idk can feel or resonate with Tanya so much atm?? Except I don’t drink. But everything else is spot on with this character… maybe I need to talk with you soon. Much love to all of you apparent all of you ❤

[@eisvogel8099]

Your genuine kindness and compassion is like a sun that shines on everyone and is warming people. Amazing gift you have, Suzanne....I would feel welcome right away

[@luckytosh]

Holy crap THANK YOU for letting urself be raw when trying to express how ur feeling because I Absolutely resonate with the woman who was feeling all over the place. This video was so absolutely amazing helpful thank you and please do more of these kinds of videos 💚💚💚

[@deborahbabb5017]

Suzanne and Paul Hedderman are helping me so much.

[@louissjoel]

Thanks a lot for this. Really opened my eyes up to the importance of psychological help when it comes to awakening. Sure we can sit here all day and say there is no self and there is no one to improve, but at the end of the day there is still a human being there who has a brain, a nervous system, and conditionings and traumas that need to be worked through, which isn’t always easy to do through just meditation practice.

[@oogway73]

I recently was recommended this channel, the discussion at hand here was very interesting and insightful. The topic is oriented with some recent personal experiences which have been immensely bizarre to say the least. The wave of nihilism, pure hopelessness or a glimpse of the meaningless everything, threatens to wash away the bridge between you and the day that is tomorrow, which equates to continuous hope; it helped to realize the importance of connectivity, of human relationships and the mind and body. One remedy I have found is the object of concentration, selecting an object in the environment or specific thought that diverts you away from the nihilist abyss and the negative entities that dwell therein. The more attentive and conscious energy you pay to it, the more it grows.

[@LotusPoet]

Yes, processing the emotions that are coming up to be felt, acknowledged, and dissolved in the aftermath--so important! I didn't realize how much of this there would be beforehand. But it's all perfectly okay, and the sporadic inner storms are gradually abating as time goes by and the emotions are seen neutrally, welcomed, fully felt, and blessed as they go. Thank you for discussing this. It has actually been super enlightening (no pun) to realize that the direct path puts the nondual realization first and (much of) the emotional/energetic processing afterward, instead of the other way around. I/life wouldn't have it any other way over here, and this is the way it happened, so it's perfect. But the textures and events of this life experience are interesting to explore and taste and process and then it's also wonderful to watch the compass needle come to rest on equanimity again. There is also possibly the added element of empathy with the larger human experience, which some body-mind systems are prone to, and there are some heavy vibes in that right now as well as some joyful ones. It's so valuable to remember that none of that is "mine" or "me." 💗

[@21stabsalute]

that cat was awesome for trying to help 😄

[@Anita-hl5qj]

Thank you for this discussion. Very helpful for me.

[@herdarkmaterials]

I am going through Exactly this. My life is perfect and yet worse than ever. It's confusing and overwhelming. I can cry for your and then laugh hysterically. Its mostly the body and nervous system that is registering the disturbance, but my mind can get really loud about some old stuff I truly believed was healed! Like my dad leaving when I was 2, which I did the work on and accepted... Came back out of nowhere one night when the power went off in my house. I was crying "daddy!" but also like "why is this coming up again" and "something is really wrong with me" 😭🤣

[@regishaiba]

You have created a pleasant place to live with living beings.

[@ashleyzito5414]

oh wow that woman touched me. beautiful soul.

[@marcygold6527]

Thanks Suzanne, for being a great platform for investigating our deepest emotions. Your insights are always so amazing. That sweet cat was trying to comfort Tanya! 🐱

[@councilof9project748]

The death of the personal self is 'knowing' there is only one self. The personal self is only a zoomed in state for detailed research. It was temporarily, virtual. The zooming out to the one self is returning home to the factory settings. Life, love, being have no dual counterpart. There is only life, the factory setting, life 1 in number. There is no second life, nor second source, allthatis. To allow this zooming out, the personal self is freed from its task, the self is freed, merged into oneness. In oneness 'we' the one feels free, happy beyond the personal happy, alive beyond the personal survival. Than...life is there, life takes over. The flow is upon us, in us around us. Grace is the factory setting. Thx for sharing this path.

[@NA-me6sh]

I was able to peek behind the curtain and I really don't enjoy much anymore. Hobbies, movies, food. It's all very flat at the moment... Been that way for several years.. Be careful what you ask for.. Thanks for this information..

[@hellucination9905]

What exactly was "behind the curtain"? Could you explain it in more detail please?

[@perothing]

Had that too for a while ... way back. Like to call it now neutrality.

[@phillipthompson6627]

Well here we all are, stuck on this planet, stuck in these weird bodies...We try to watch our breath and practice choicless awareness. We try to be wariors and greet that hideous feeling in our guts like an old friend! Feel it. Say hello to the dread. What is it? Does it not deserve to be felt like all the other feelings? Go back to the breath. Don't push things away...just refocus on the breath. Pray for all beings, give thanks to God, get outside and walk in the park. Try to remember to be here. This is it. Happy Solstice and Merry Christmas to all of you.

[@writeronthestormkyushu565]

I have tried to run from my mind, but of course, "where ever you go there you are." I have tried meditating and chanting with Thai monks.A chunky monk would always fall asleep and snort (haha). I have tried to dull the mind with alchohol. I became sluggish and lacked any clarity. I've looked at the mind and its' thousands of every day, negative, random thoughts as an enemy that must be vanquished. The mind cannot be killed like some kind of bad guy in a bad movie. Some will say that is not true. You can shoot the master (bullet to brain). The ultimate act to end the noise and suffering. So I sit at my desk, drinking morning coffee and looking at magnificent mountains, breathing in. Breathing out. In this moment I am a peace. And this moment is all there is. Peace and light to everyone here on Suzanne's channel. It feels like a kind of Songa for me.

[@khoaly8930]

You're so cool Suzanne !

[@Insideadeepwell]

How you go through this alone, you watch videos like this(thanks Suzanne) and then sometimes shit just comes out and you tell people knowing they won’t understand and realize that you will look crazy. But I’m used to people reacting that way anyways so maybe that has helped to some extent. It is frustrating not to be able to talk to someone about it in person that actually gets it though.

[@morrowcosom]

Do not discount the combination of therapy and meditation/insight work. Back in the day while going along this path I used to think that there is nothing a therapist could help me with because I had already made such gains in self-awareness. Boy, was I wrong. I still had so many blind spots. The combination of insight/meditation stuff and therapy really helped to clear a lot of skeletons out of the closet and to aid me in being able to co-exist with life instead of running from stuff, fighting reality, or burying my head in the sand.

[@naropayogini1]

All these feelings of pain, loneliness, brokenness, frustration come from losing one’s connection with the world. It’s a misunderstanding to think of one’s “self” as a permanent thing/entity existing in a world full of other entities. But to think that there’s no “self” as if there’s nothing there is also not true. That would be nihilistic. The concept of Non-self, Non-duality is pointing of the co-interdependence of phenomena. Subject and object arising simultaneously in a dynamic relationship that moves, transforms and changes. The nature of our being/mind, open awareness is not a thing, it’s the illuminating cognitive space that experience the illusive ever changing phenomena. Like the mirror and it’s reflections. The mirror is not the reflections but the mirror can only be seen by its reflections.

[@hellucination9905]

Śūnyatā

[@abrahamhawkins1754]

Once you all find the light within and see it from above. You will all realize the infinitness inside of you guys. I can't wait too see the evolution take place. The coming of the light is within. I'm so happy too see others following there path to positivity. While it is a sequence. There's light on the other side and yours will guide the best of humanity to a bright and exciting Dawn of truth and peace.

[@bethhayes1]

This is so what Im going through and have been in and out of for several years now. So hard and so painful. Im almost 67 and have been doing spiritual work for many years. There is really nothing wrong in my life but I am in such turmoil and misery and hate life and living and having these feelings, yet, I somehow know this will pass and I will be released. I am so humbled by finally reaching the real spiritual Truth of Life and my spiritual ego is not liking it one bit!! Blessings and peace to all of us who stay the course through all the storms and the pain.

[@jamil1418]

this video is very important

[@ashleyzito5414]

god... shes beautiful.

[@RainbowBandana]

It's truly a sight to see a woman who looks so beautiful without makeup I'm I'm in love 🥰 sorry just had to keep it real 1 time for the 1 time! Carry on class

[@mainstreampropaganda7518]

It feels like here could be a practical approach, using hermetic understanding and wisdom to perpetuate or build upon the growing consciousness that overwhelms many personally in the summoning of a higher consciousness; increasing the frequency, it's necessity and it's consequences. THE ALL IS MIND AND THE UNIVERSE IS MENTAL

[@janhokke413]

Hey, Suzanne, thanks for sharing, it is so good to see and hear where we can go through, thanks again, it was very informative,🙏

[@SpeaktheTruths]

There really is no death of the illusory self because it doesn't exist, it doesn't live or die, it has no real substance. However the illusory self can be realized. But wonder who or what it is that realizes the illusory self and who or what it is that wonders. That self is illusory as well, the self that you observe within the mind is an illusion. Deeper layers of the mind.

[@frv6610]

So what is real?

[@stuart8502]

What a wonderful coming together this was, wow 💚 deeply human and beautiful. been finding much soothing guidance on a KZbin channel named 'conscious circle' energy from the speaker I find sublime and steady. Nourishing and clear.

[@durwhat]

Thank you Suzanne. Really interesting.Takes off the rose coloured glasses image. love James

[@alli5961]

Thank you so much for this conversation, all involved. I'm still in the mini tornado/debris phases... I have passed through this all with basically zero support... and I do mean zero in my physical world etc. How i tried to pass through each onslaught in tact... was, I would always look to what it was or how it was that "I" was trying to hang onto some image.... I guess an intuitive push that accompanied the storms was that Surrender can forever be deepened... I tried to see it as a process of killing off ALL ideas, all concepts, all hopes, ALL EVERYTHING. And now the storms have lessened. I still don't feel or look out act how I might've thought it'd be... but who am I to try oversee this process 🤣 As Mooji alluded once, you are not the manager of existence! I am so happy to find the support of this conversation though, even in hindsight. XO

[@ubuntuber1619]

🙋🏻‍♀️➰🩲👃🏽💕 umm Suzanne keep them coming, ur original aroma, they smell so good.

[@lindahudson888]

As a Spiritual Being having a human experience, it really helps to feel other's compassion and unconditional love as our ego's pain body is released/dissolved and absorbed by our True Self/ Spiritual Presence. We all eventually must let go of that old stored misqualified energy and allow it to be transformed back into our Center. We let go of all the judgements, pain, shame and accumulated lies in the Presence of pure acceptance of what is - in each moment. We are Really coming Home to our Wholeness, Worthiness and Eternal perfection. I know who I am in truth as One Source who has never been born or died. I know What I am in truth as Christ Presence in form. I know how I Serve in truth as I Shine and radiate ❤️! And so it is.

[@plc6949]

The purpose of life is life itself, everything else is extra.

[@danathrower2680]

Have faced death many times, allowing what is will be. Our language has been so perverted we are unable to to conceive this phrase: today is a great day to die. Always had a fear of death until realized that we are inside instead of being taught we are in a planet that goes unlimited. Feels safe and warm. To die/ alone, same difference

[@vincentfowler177]

Hi Suzanne, Vincent here. I just watched your video. I am so sad right now it seem pointless to continue on my journey here on earth. What to do? I am trying to make sense of it all.

[@suzanne-chang]

Hey Vincent, I totally understand. This could be getting to the core of separation, and it will feel pointless like you said. Allow yourself to feel that and know that it's a part of this dissolving process and that there's nothing wrong with you. Through this absolute pointlessness, there is just freedom... No point needed. But it is an adjustment for the body because it energetic always had a point to its life. It had security in that way and now that's being taken away. I assure you that it changes. But it is common that the pointlessness can be so powerful at times, it might feel like it'll going to always be this way but it does change.

[@SELLINGNEWHAVEN]

Why does it have to be pointless why does it have to be as these other humans say. Humans have not been here that long. Id say take a hero dose of mushrooms and let the plant tell you about things. If your life is forefit anyway why not fuckin send it. Plants have a few billion years more experience than humans do on this planet anyway maybe they have an answer. Hoplessness seems so easy it just seems like a trap to me. Im sorry youre in the pit. I know it well down there. The plant once told me in a low moment "You are in a jar, there is no lid, look up!" Try whatever you can while still in a body you have nothing to lose at this point.

[@Randomuser2329]

@@suzanne-chang Hey Suzanne, it’s your responsibility as your audience grows to encourage people struggling like this to mental health resources including suicide hotlines. People who gravitate towards watching this content are often at risk of self harm or suicide. Don’t just give them platitudes, but encourage to get counseling - not just your paid services. Be responsible with your platform please.

[@feelwithme487]

I'm here in this space too...thank you so much for explaining this Suzanne. It can feel intense at times.

[@suzanne-chang]

Also, if it ever gets too much, just email me.

[@mephesh]

Its all growth when you accept all your states throughout your life, thats helped me

[@frankrodman6133]

What about the idea of "realizing" the no-self, as opposed to "being" the "no-self"? Even if being in actuality, the "no-self", is ultimately the truth (as I currently feel and have long felt), we are all still in this world, and have to navigate it, and I find that this perspective of "realization" of no-self does take me to a greater peace and centeredness as to the actuality of all things (or of no things), even while "being" and going through all of the ups and downs of life. Buddha was also a Bodhisattva; he could have ended it all as a choice or an option, but he realized that, as what you are doing, Suzanne; the bringing of all beings to Awareness is the noblest of missions or paths.

[@stellarmass1389]

Birds of a feather flock together

[@raine5508]

It helps to view it as a video game and to level up the character lol. I appreciate your videos. If “ someone” does stumble onto it, it can lead them to what people call suicide. They would they there is no way out or they are trapped but wouldn’t think that there is no one there to get out of the trap etc

[@rudolf407]

Hello Suzanne, do you know if there is a forum where I can meet like-minded people like you? It is really difficult to find people who experience the same level of consciousness. Best regards Rudolf

[@Zzyzzxx]

The void/emptiness feeling is Jesus tugging at your heart as a life line seek him.

[@sujeetjha]

Sometimes there is no word but just being able to see you is enough. In humane way I just want ask why didn't I meet you earlier but in truth things happen when time comes. Love you! Thank you!

[@liiveinternationalinitiati5004]

We can all relate to the women at 13:00 - the daily struggle is real. Which is why this community is so important to know we are not alone.

[@brentdobson5264]

Light switch off light switch on this was my experience being put under and then surfacing after facial surgery . Retrospectively one couldn't help but reflect on humanity's pretty universal terror at potential agony before death . Again most people would have a perfectly dim view of being given the bums rush just for someone else's monetary convenience . A planet transitioning to Real Economy * energy unit accounting sense will move well beyond giving it's citizens heave ho for profit and find a rational basis for sanely operating fiduciary stock performance returns at orders of magnitude greater than previously expected . The usual parasitic convenience of war " economy " will be exposed as " underperforming " including profit convenience directed at it's own citizens .

[@ashleyzito5414]

why am i literally that woman. shes twice my age. UGH ME TOOBABY

[@BLohr707]

Who are you, you amazing person!? Thank you for the video. One

[@citizenenak]

Given this discussion has tethered her to the moment at hand even straying in thought now and then but always right back to the moment, the one place thought will not intrude at least to the degree your attention is present.

[@JeanPereiraOfficial]

When there is still pain I don't think you're gone. For me it seems like you constructed that "I am dead now" identity, which is the new illusion for you.

[@chudyie]

I liked the man's question. I feel as though his questions about s**cidal ideation shouldn't have been approached through the dualist mindset. I think he was aware that life is ultimately meaningless and wanted to find a way to cope with it. You said "it passes" as if the reality that life is ultimately meaningless can somehow be brushed off one's shoulder, but it didn't feel like that was the answer he was looking for.

[@joefalchetto94]

It's the toughest period for humankind ever

[@joefalchetto94]

Darkest, weirdest, frustrating, absurd, also...

[@dannixon247]

We can become less ignorant of our situation but the fundamental illusion remains.

[@TamaraChauArt]

Hi there, I recently subscribed to your channel, i would really love to hear how your path/journey started, what help did you get…i can relate to Tonya in many aspects.

[@Arahansannihilation]

Go for enlightenment when you became aware of the meaningless of things.

[@Reef-v3k]

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[@aminbaratee6315]

Samsara is endless, suffering seems endless, our tears through the endless cycle of suffering is “greater than the water of the four oceans.” In beginningless time, we have wept over the loss of our mothers, over and over, countless times. Bhuda said

[@andreiadetavora8471]

Samsara is MAya

[@FRED-gx2qk]

You are a brave Lady like you said life's a burden indeed 😳😕😳

[@pineappletea9063]

well said suzanne

[@phoenixfromtheashes2364]

just remind yourself you came here with yourself you go out with yourself, yours body is not you , its a machine and brain is a computer so you in the machine,spiritual being having human expierence one love brothers and sisters

[@mainstreampropaganda7518]

I think being broken comes from trust that you believed in and hope for and was misjudged in the end... pretending to be in control when it's just a made up feeling is mind boggling but the point is to go into the next stage of existence, make the leap - but not without truth this time. Truth takes a world of life to discover.

[@King_of_Sofa]

I'm starting to feel that the philosophy of no self is closer to rebelliousness than a truth that stands on it's own. Because there is no need to recognize the non existence of the self if the self already does not exist

[@sf3486]

Does the resulting empty vessel care or worry over money or bills? Or there's an eternal inherent automatic eternal always SAFE and WORTHY essence that arises from losing the me?

[@perothing]

Yes it does as long as the organism wants to eat.

[@sujeetjha]

Here is my question for which may be I already know the answer but still feel like listening from you. What do you think of when you are trying to help all of us? Do you feel like any kind of purpose in doing these things? Or may be you feel like I have given my self some purpose otherwise there is no meaning to life whether we live on or die but thoughts will try to make us feel like we have an identity and there needs to be done something about it.

[@richmac6345]

If one is clever (and lucky) being homeless doesn't have to be that bad. I've been homeless a lot because I hate being employed and doing stuff I hate...

[@nobodynowhere21]

That little bit left over is really clingy and can be difficult to find. It also can change forms, it may not appear as what you expect. In Viktor Frankl's "Man's Search for Meaning" about this psychologist's time in the concentration camps he talks about this psychological phenomenon called "the delusion of reprieve" -- I think the ego is acting, effectively, as if it were in a dream of a de facto concentration camp with no way out. Even Frankl's descriptions of the loss of identity when all your possessions and relations are taken away, even your name becomes meaningless because only your number matters now, etc., the ego REALLY does know that it's about to die in a sense, so it gets more desperate to cling to even a bit of straw if it thought for even a moment that would spare it from drowning into oblivion. As spiritual seekers we don't even know we're doing that, it's not what we expect. But then we realize our ego isn't wearing any clothes, and we've given it a bar of soap, and it's exhausted and hungry because we've been depriving it this whole long dark journey, and just at the moment we think liberation will come, we realize in horror that the shower faucets in the "bath" house we've crowded our false selves into aren't spraying water it's not even liquid it's----

[@markab8806]

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