DEBATE Catholic Truth vs NeedGod net (Christian Debate Part 1)

DEBATE Catholic Truth vs NeedGod net (Christian Debate Part 1). This is part 1 of a debate between Ryan from NeedGodnet and Bryan from Catholic Truth. We discuss salvation, baptism, faith, good works and more.
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[@Deuterocomical]

“I promise we’ll get to the agreed upon topic, I just want to ask a quick question” 😂

[@CatholicTruthOfficial]

3 hours later ... lol. We said he would come back and do it again on the other topic sometime.

[@Deuterocomical]

@@CatholicTruthOfficial That’s great! I wasn’t trying to accuse him of anything, that’s just how these conversations go sometimes and I thought it was funny!

[@wilsonsclips_]

Classic Protestant obfuscation tactics…

[@satoshiumei4622]

He was leading the topic off the heavy ones 😂

[@katiek.8808]

@@CatholicTruthOfficialsorry dude but this is what he always does. He doesn’t debate because he doesn’t actually know anything. This was him attempting to evangelize you because he genuinely thinks you don’t believe.

[@mikeyh5059]

So glad I’m soon to be a apart of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church

[@OzCrusader]

Welcome home🙏

[@jackieo8693]

@@mikeyh5059 welcome!

[@TheCabin777]

my friend catholicism teaches a false gospel, stay away from any religion that teaches a false gospel!

[@SONOFGODVIII]

u are mislead

[@OzCrusader]

@@SONOFGODVIII No, he is Mikey H.

[@jackieo8693]

Debating with kindness and charity will win hearts!

[@CatholicTruthOfficial]

Amen

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

More asking, less accusing.

[@OzCrusader]

@@HAL9000-su1mz Amen!

[@Justinian125]

@@jackieo8693 For much of the second half of the debate the Catholic host continued to interrupt his guest while he was speaking. Need God guy was very patient but finally exclaimed let me finish my argument first. I think the host was not happy about being out argued on justification by faith alone (ie Roman teachings on penance, indulgences, treasury of merit etc are superfluous and contrary to scripture). He even rolled out 12 church fathers who agreed.

[@jackieo8693]

@@Justinian125 the Catholic guy shouldn't interrupt. However, that doesn't mean he was wrong.

[@dustins382]

I'm Orthodox and I thought you did a great job Bryan. Former protestant and part of the reason I left is exactly what occurred here. Reading the text directly and coming across with the exact opposite meaning (like how he disconnected believe AND be baptized, the word is AND which is a connecting word, and he says because it says "'and' instead of 'to'"... Such an arbitrary standard that isn't how it's read, and I'm certain he wouldn't use the word "and" to disconnect other passages). It's all very frustrating to me and you handled yourself very well and patiently. God bless. ☦️

[@CatholicTruthOfficial]

Thank you, and thanks for watching. God bless you!🙏🏻

[@kmatz09]

Need God is so dishonest in these discussions and is such a weasel. Evidence of this is how he changed the topic last min trying to have a Gotchya. This guy dodged a great job going off the cuff. Need God did a bunch of ambush type questions to Orthodox Kyle too and it went a lot worse

[@mmr1137]

They do not understand that even "faith alone" is act of works. Because they might think faith only saves you, but you need to do do act of trusting to God and that is an action, a work. Atheist does not believe to God, so they will not do action of work to trust God. They would do nothing. Hope everything is clear in my comment. English is not my first language. ☦️

[@dustins382]

@@mmr1137 correct, faith is a work. John 6:29. They will argue it says "work of God"... Then they must take the monergist position like Calvinists, which leads to other contradictions.

[@martindj1988]

@@dustins382”contradictions” 😂🥴 Coming from Catholics is hilarious

[@itskristian333]

I’m a Protestant, I loved this dialogue and open discussion. Humble, humility with kindness and love. God bless you❤️

[@CatholicTruthOfficial]

Thank you, and thanks so much for watching. Glad you enjoyed it. God bless.

[@danielhaas9469]

@CatholicTruthOfficial yes, thank you for being so Chartiable not just you but also Ryan as well. I loved the discussion and this is an excellent example of that!

[@Irishman8787]

Maybe you will turn to Catholicism

[@ThatGuy-nr5sp]

@@CatholicTruthOfficial Yes I enjoyed this very much. Good point on Faith, Love and obedience.

[@simonslater9024]

You have the holy Catholic Church. You have 48,000 man made protestant CULTS. There’s NO salvation outside the holy Catholic Church because it’s the ONLY CHURCH.

[@NeedGodnet]

Thanks for the debate Bryan, it was great discussing. For those wondering about the topic, when Bryan reached out to me asking me for this debate he said: "You had one video where it says Catholics teaches by faith, baptism, and observance of the commandments. And so on. Or as you believe in faith alone. Would you like to discuss this? We would each get equal time to speak and it would be formal and charitable. Let us know, thanks and God bless." Hence why the debate was on that topic ^

[@kbbtt]

Thank you for doing this debate Ryan. I respect you a lot for that. However, I have to share my genuine perspective with you. I haven’t trusted you for a long time. Long before this debate. It seems to me you base your faith on “just trust me bro”. Catholics don’t need to do that. Catholics have historical facts, records, testimony, science (shout out to archeology), reason, and unbiased 3rd party lab work. Catholicism is proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Still interesting and iron-sharpening to watch this debate though.

[@CarpeDiem.98]

Hi Ryan. Please don't be disingenuous with the church fathers and read them fully before forming an opinion on what they did and did not believe, here are all the fathers you quoted also mentioning baptism for salvation. God bless you If any man is not baptized, he cannot be saved, except by martyrdom. For the baptism of water and the baptism of blood both bring us into the Kingdom of Heaven." (Homily 3 on Matthew, 14) - St john chrysostom Baptism is the gateway to salvation, through which we enter the Church and become members of the body of Christ. Without it, no one can be saved." (Commentary on Romans, 5:18) - ambrosiaster It is clear and undeniable that without baptism, no one can enter the Kingdom of God. The regeneration through water and Spirit is necessary for all who wish to inherit eternal life." (Glaphyra on the Pentateuch, Book 1, On Genesis) - St Cyril of Alexandria We are born once in the flesh, but we are born again in the Spirit by baptism. In our first birth, we are children of wrath, but in our second birth, we are made sons of God." (Letter 69 to Oceanus, 6) - St Jerome The true purification, however, is in the water, through the word. Therefore, when we are baptized, we are cleansed of our sins." (Homily on Holy Baptism, 2.4) - St Basil the Great Let us be careful not to be unworthy of the promises of God, which we have received through baptism. We have been made participants of the divine nature, and we should live in accordance with the new life given to us." (1 Clement, 39) - St Clement By the sacrament of baptism, we are born again to newness of life, receiving from the Spirit of God the gift of adoption into the sonship of God" (De Trinitate, I.14). - St Hilary of Potiers It is absolutely necessary for salvation that one be baptized. Through baptism, we are not only cleansed from sin but also incorporated into the Body of Christ and the Church." (On the Truth of the Catholic Faith, Book 3) - Fulgentius of Ruspe

[@NeedGodnet]

@@kbbtt Appreciate you sharing your thoughts. It's not me that says "trust me bro", instead I encourage everyone to "Check it with the Bible yo!" Which is a better idea than just accepting that whatever a Magisterium says is true when they say "Trust me bro".

[@atgred]

@@NeedGodnetoh yes , the Magisterium, that office instituted by our Lord on the Apostle when He said GO TEACH ALL WHAT I HAVE TAUGHT YOU AND BAPTIZE THEM. Mt. 28:19-20. Not “write them a Bible and tell them to believe ONLY what it is written in it”.

[@jesuschristsaves9067]

@@NeedGodnetI encourage you to “read” the Bible with my lens. Many Protestants like anglicans and Lutherans believe in water baptism. Or how about Pentecostals? Everyone just “reading” the Bible is the reason why there is all this denominational crossfire. Just read the Bible equate to being your own pope trusting in your fallible reasoning.

[@RitchButch]

PROTESTANTS understating of Scripture never in context as Dr Scott Hahn once said he thought he know the bible until he look at the Catholic beliefs and the rest is history

[@Philip__325]

When I converted to Catholicism from Protestantism I was shocked at how much Protestants misrepresent what Catholics actually believe.

[@Philip__325]

When I converted to Catholicism from Protestantism I was shocked at how much Protestants misrepresent what Catholics actually believe.

[@truthwatchers]

Have you looked at scriptures? It would be worthwhile without adding anything to it.

[@rjcav1239]

@@truthwatchers or removing several books like luther did...books that Jesus would have used as a Jewish Rabbi

[@atgred]

@@truthwatcherslike the word “alone”? Which is not in the Bible.

[@naomiwilliams4710]

I'm going to be going through OCIA soon, I tend to get worried about debates like these as a (former) Calvinist because I say "well what if I just didn't understand Calvinism well enough?" And then Bryan brings out something like the verses that CLEARLY deal with Baptism and Ryan can't even get past that simple fact, and then I just shake my head. Way to go, Bryan!

[@CatholicTruthOfficial]

God bless your journey though RCIA!

[@aubergineontoast]

Hihiil😮7😅

[@brian94954]

As soon as Ryan ran out of script and it became a real discussion he sure fell apart. I’m glad you kept pushing him to answer.

[@anonyme3123]

Ryan is great, patient and knows his scriptures.

[@Serquss]

Brian did a great job of gently dismantling many assumptions Ryan has of Catholicism.

[@martinabdalla8766]

how?

[@Irishman8787]

Watch the video ​@@martinabdalla8766

[@Landoor]

Ryan completely ignoring the topic of the debate drives me insane. He’s recycling the same formula to try to get people to become Protestant, instead of having a debate with a Catholic about a subject HE agreed with.

[@CatholicTruthOfficial]

To be fair, we didn't necessarily agree own it beforehand. I recommended it as soon as the show started, but he had something else in mind, so we were kind of talking and disagreeing a little back and forth about it.

[@truthwatchers]

Ryan's priority is the salvation of people's souls rather than sticking to a topic for the sake of it . If that's not good enough, what is?

[@TrueChristianityWithSandra]

@@CatholicTruthOfficialOh - that explains it. Thanks for the clarification ❣️

[@JillRice]

​@@truthwatchers is it salvation ? it just seems like he wants to be right. I do hope and pray its salvation. He didnt listen at all ,he just wants to be right regardless of of what's said. Hes not open to learn anything because hes already got the idea hes right and the catholic faith is wrong. I do hope he comes to the church . He has no idea what hes missing. I feel so sorry for every protestant.

[@JoseLopez-zd9sk]

​@@JillRice that is the same feeling I got. God bless you. 😊🙏

[@ShadyJay27]

Jesus wasn't 'punished' for our sins. Punishment is a perspective. To Jesus, it wasn't a punishment. Saying that it was a punishment implies that Jesus was resentful during his passion. The Catechism words it perfectly.

[@iruffalopez]

But what about this? Matt 26:36-39 Then he said to them, “My soul is very sorrowful, even to death; remain here, and watch with me.” 39 And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.

[@kang7348]

@@iruffalopez🤣🤣

[@paularnold3745]

@@iruffalopez Jesus was true God, but He was also true man. As a true human, He still feared the physical pain He was about to endure. As a human with a human will, he was appealing to His Father for an alternative, less painful, way to fulfill His mission. On top of the natural fear of suffering, His human nature was feeling the spiritual/emotional burden of all the sins and suffering of all the people who had ever lived and will ever live. If not for His Divine nature (and perhaps the help of His guardian angel), just that burden would have killed him. The stress was to the point of causing Him to sweat blood. Jesus was not feeling that God was punishing Him. He was feeling the burden of Sacrificing Himself for us.

[@TeekayTooDrippy]

Jesus did feel resentful. In fact, he wanted it to be another way telling the Father to let the cup past from him (Matt 26:39) but since he loves us he indeed took the punishment that we should of paid for ourselves.

[@Hanshotfirst6688]

The Bible words it perfect and “chastise” is a synonym for “punishment”, Jesus was punished for our sins: “But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.” ‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭53‬:‭5‬ ‭

[@maximopablo4295]

He pulled a surprise attack on Catholic truth by debating on different topic, a topic he had prepared for but Catholic truth still got this.

[@maurarojas4891]

Thank you Bryan for spreading truth. Jesus wants us united, and it’s obvious this young man is being called to continue seeking the truth. May he open his heart and mind to the Holy Spirit, and not let pride blind him. We can’t pick and choose from the Bible. It’s ALL important to understand, follow, and teach. Teach the whole truth.

[@marshallmccurry8297]

Do you have a specific passage you're referring to? The younger gentleman selectively something? What did he not understand from your point of view?

[@igregmart]

“Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:” (Luke 12.51)

[@TheCabin777]

The younger man is Ryan not Bryan, Ryan is teaching the TRUE GOSPEL as for Bryan he is a catholic, catholicism teaches a false gospel

[@LoveAndBoxingWW]

I think that Catholics just don’t go on the Bible but believe in man more than God, the pope isn’t even in the Bible nor is the word catholic but Christian is in the Bible so we should all follow the Bible not man

[@tabandken8562]

​@@marshallmccurry8297He didn't understand that baptism is a required component of faith and how we become children of God.

[@dianedoucet3005]

I have been waiting for this video. So glad to catch it now. Looking forward to listening to all of it.

[@2Danomite2]

Very respectful conversation gentlemen. This is how christians are suppose to talk to each other. All glory to God.

[@danielcoen3483]

Catholoc Truth did a beaitiful job amd as soon as the early church fathers were brought up it was over. God bless the Catholic Truth channel.

[@Mr.CUTE777]

Catholic 1-0 Protestant Way to go Boss Bryan Mercier!!! 🙏🙏 The wisdom of the Holy Spirit guides you.. 🕊️🕊️

[@Xxmortal9xX]

Catholic 0-1 Protestant

[@catholicismwow5406]

​@@Xxmortal9xX😂😂😂 you wish

[@isaacdominguez474]

Catholic ♾️ protestant 0️⃣

[@OzCrusader]

@@isaacdominguez474 G’day Isaac from Australia. You and I share the same surname. My great great grandfather arrived in Melbourne Victoria Australia in 1866. Do you know your ancestors? Are you living in the USA?

[@borneandayak6725]

​@@Xxmortal9xX protestant always got "0" 😃😃😃

[@user-mn3bt4ye6h]

As a Protestant it seems the Protestant brother here is reading into the Scriptures his preconceived theology. I appreciate the Catholic brothers clear reading of Scripture.

[@destroyingtheworksofthedev9349]

Maybe you're not a Prot then - this is a salvation issue

[@supremo7217]

​@@destroyingtheworksofthedev9349 Not really a salvation issue, our salvation is from Christ and some blessed believers did not need to see but believe. This is just an Apostolic argument like Peter and John did, but we can both be sure that John and Peter are in the same paradise as the thief.

[@TonganFBI]

@@destroyingtheworksofthedev9349not every protestant interprets the Bible the same

[@Somebodyuprobsknow]

🤨

[@matthewodonnell6495]

Good job Bryan! As a raised protestant now converting to Catholicism, I would've taken Ryans side not too long ago, but I now see how protestant theology requires making things fit that theological system even when it doesn't make sense and doesn't take the whole biblical context into account. I did it much myself. The early church fathers are a great witness to the Catholic faith and show the oneness and unity of the church throughout the centuries. God bless both Bryan and Ryan for being charitable and thoughtful.

[@dirtysink373]

I am on pretty much where you are. I have stopped bending over backwards to fit the Bible into my beliefs, instead let it speak in context and am now joining the Catholic church

[@matthewodonnell6495]

@@dirtysink373 Amen! I’m glad to hear it, keep on following Christ, God bless!

[@dirtysink373]

@@matthewodonnell6495 thank you brother, same to you! God bless

[@richardcourville5654]

Sad thing is, you see it as taking sides with man. By taking either side you are going against the will of God. I think both these men are men of God, doing the will of the father, although disagreeing on some things, both me. Know we need Jesus as savior and nothing of ourselves. The. Catholic religion will do nothing for you, the Protestant religion will do nothing for me, if God is not in the middle

[@matthewodonnell6495]

@@richardcourville5654 If Christ established a church with sacraments, and a teaching authority than its obedience to Christ to be part of the one church Jesus established.

[@Astraogical]

I found it very interesting that Ryan used an argument by silence with the mention of Baptism with the Church Fathers, but Catholics aren’t allowed to do the same for Marian doctrines. Something I also noticed throughout the episode was the substantial nit picking of definitions from Ryan. This was a huge reason why I left Protestantism because it was nit picking Scripture (often without larger context like what happened in the beginning regarding Gods wrath and during the baptism discussion) to make the Protestant (Baptist for me) theology fit into Scripture instead of truly letting Scripture speak for itself which is what Protestants claim to do.

[@centurysince4312]

Calvin himself did work as a lawyer and I think that endless nit-picking quality is evident in Calvinism.

[@destroyingtheworksofthedev9349]

Leaving one religion for the other has nothing to do with Knowing Christ and him Knowing you

[@Astraogical]

@@destroyingtheworksofthedev9349 sure, except that my knowledge of Christ in Protestantism was only half of it whereas I am able to engage with him in both Scripture and Tradition now to experience the fullness of Him and His Church here on earth. 🙏🏼

[@vladgor4099]

@@destroyingtheworksofthedev9349Except that the scripture point to Christ Jesus. And he is truth, so having the fullness of truth will only bring you closer to Jesus. Unless you think you can willingly living in a lie, in opposition to the Truth and claim to know Jesus?

[@theresiagranados882]

@@vladgor4099 Your comment doesn't really make sense in this context. I realize you don't know what you don't know, having never experienced the True Presence of Christ Jesus in the Eucharist. Having never been part of any of the liturgical traditions (daily prayer and scripture)of the Catholic Church, you couldn't know how close you draw to Jesus through that Christian discipline. I am sure you are a sincere Christian, but undertaking Christian disciplines as a Catholic Christian is on a whole other level spiritually. I tell you this from personal experience. I am a former Protestant, Catholic for life Christian!

[@user-bq4gv4ld8x]

Great work Bryan he got THE CATHOLIC TRUTH well done 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@JustaRandomCatholic]

WE TAKING DOWN HERESY WITH THIS ONE 🗣🗣🗣💯💯💯🔥🔥🔥

[@xxrandmlinksxxbruh2419]

It’s sad the catholic lost though

[@ThePrescriber]

@@xxrandmlinksxxbruh2419 Wdym?

[@YaksoHD]

@@xxrandmlinksxxbruh2419 I don't think he did. Especially considering they were supposed to speak about authority and Ryan asked Bryan to talk about something he wasn't prepared to talk about, that is unfair. For example, in a formal debate this would not happen. If both parties agree to a debate topic and get to the debate stage then the other party isn't allowed to ask to change to a different topic. That's why we have agreements on certain topics of the faith when debating because it is extremely vast. Let's turn it around, if Ryan was in the situation of Bryan in this then Ryan would not fair as well as Bryan. If Ryan came prepared to talk about justification/salvation and Bryan agreed to it originally and Bryan then asked to talk about authority instead first when Ryan was not prepared to talk about authority it would play out similarly. I also think Bryan defended himself extremely well while not being prepared to talk about that subject, I don't think Ryan won. I think Ryan actually when the conversation went onto baptism which Ryan brought up started to lose (since this isn't the whole debate only half). The belief in baptism in the early Church is completely different from Ryan's views on it. And I do think Ryan was being fallacious at the end by quote mining the Church figures and taking them out of context as Bryan demonstrated in the end. Almost all figures mentioned by Ryan had Catholic beliefs, they did not believe in the 5 Sola's of Protestantism as Ryan does.

[@paulgritter7957]

@@xxrandmlinksxxbruh2419that’s not your call. Our Priesthood was instituted by Jesus, in the upper room. God revealed his Church to the world, on Pentecost, 33 AD. We’re still active and people are still being grafted in, through Water and Spirit. How long has your cult been around, and who is its founder?

[@thezephyr42]

@@YaksoHD Actually, Bryan initially messaged Ryan to speak about faith alone and the catholic position of baptism and sacraments being required for salvation.. he should have been prepared for this conversation. Bryan wanted to change the topic to sola scriptura when they began the debate.

[@davidstamburski9487]

All Protestants or most deny baptism as an after thought. Faith alone is their theme song. Just a huge disconnect.

[@jeromepopiel388]

You are unfortunately correct but the problem is nobody reads the Bible to see what baptism is for! Romans 6:3-4,6-7 [3]Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? [4]Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. [6]Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. [7]For he that is dead is freed from sin. According to the Bible, baptism is about death and burial, not about new life which we already received by repentance and trusting Jesus. The spirit was renewed and saved and sins were dealt with, but nothing was done with the soul and the old sin nature. That is why baptism follows after one is born again. Unfortunately, no one reads the Bible!

[@HollywoodBigBoss]

It truly is scary that they say they follow Christ but don't do what he commanded ie. baptism, confession, etc.

[@CatholicTruthOfficial]

Martin Luther considered baptism as part of faith alone because it was a command of Christ.

[@euengelion]

So when John baptised Jesus, Jesus is dying again from His own sin?

[@davidstamburski9487]

@@CatholicTruthOfficial many Lutherans I have talked to don't believe it's really necessary. Believe me. It's only a formality.

[@ByBartinho]

Good job Ryan. Thanks for defending Christianity. 😇

[@dwnwind]

Bryan gave clear and concise responses. Ryan kept repeating the same phrases, "don't you think, would you say, would you agree?" It seems that Ryan was using a script. He couldn't use reason or logic to move on. Part 1 debate: I'll go with team Bryan.

[@Tpxp-z7x]

This wasn’t a debate, this was more of an interrogation lmao

[@user-lj3ku5yd1h]

Exactly. Ryan was all over the place,

[@kbbtt]

Come to think of it, I basically always see non-Catholics using scripted essays to debate Catholics… telling perhaps

[@many_of_us]

He basically uses those words every day . Like if you use words every day you would ues then in conversation right?

[@jacktheartcreator]

would you agree. isn't rude or demeaning or a script. this is a debate. online. do you agree with what I'm saying. does it make sense. do I sound crazy. it makes sense to me. how come you don't see it that way. it says it.. etc etc.. etc While their are many verses in the Bible in New testament. about how Christians should live. what must be made apparent is. All of us are guilty of sin. lying and lust and pride are enough to send us all to hell. so no one is saved by that logic. no one. John 3:16 for God so loved the world he gave his one and only son.. whoever there believeth in him shall not perish but have eternal life. belive. is the word here. belive doesn't means to do mental gymnastics and say oh yeah sure I belive in that Jesus guy.. no. believe in Jesus christ is FAITH in Jesus christ. he is the son of God. the lamb to save humanity. and God in human flesh. he is LORD. and he died on the cross and rose himself on the 3rd day. standard stuff everyone knows. Hopefully. you repent and belive in the gospel. AKA you say I no longer will trust in myself.. I know I am a dirty sinner with filthy rags of righteousness blinded by pride. faith in Jesus christ alone is what saves us. belive in his name is the name in which we are saved. and are given the power to become sons of God. and no one can pluck us out of his hand... The will of God. is to belive in the son. that sounds awful alot like faith alone to me. the word isn't their . but the concept is.

[@deusvultiam]

Greetings from Ecuador 🇪🇨 Thank you for defending catholicism ❤

[@CatholicTruthOfficial]

Bienvenito!

[@TheCabin777]

Instead of defending what JESUS taught?

[@caryssa]

@@TheCabin777 CHIPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!

[@deusvultiam]

Jesus not to heresiarchs who taught sola fide, private interpretation (a.k.a. sola scriptura), 16th century soteriology, etc... but to his 𝗔𝗽𝗼𝘀𝘁𝗹𝗲𝘀: “𝘏𝘦 𝘸𝘩𝘰 𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘴 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘴 𝘮𝘦, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘩𝘦 𝘸𝘩𝘰 𝘳𝘦𝘫𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘴 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘳𝘦𝘫𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘴 𝘮𝘦, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘩𝘦 𝘸𝘩𝘰 𝘳𝘦𝘫𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘴 𝘮𝘦 𝘳𝘦𝘫𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘴 𝘩𝘪𝘮 𝘸𝘩𝘰 𝘴𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘮𝘦.” Saint Luke 10:16 📖

[@TheCabin777]

@@caryssa caryssa!!!! Long time!!!! Miss you guys!!

[@muriel2267]

How anyone who has ever read the NT can actually believe sola fide is beyond me 🤯 This guy is so blinded by his own interpretation he can’t see the forest for the trees

[@HollywoodBigBoss]

I did because I had bad teachers. I don't anymore.

[@CatholicTruthOfficial]

100%. You literally have to just ignore most of the new testament. And swipe left to every verse that disagrees with faith alone.

[@HollywoodBigBoss]

@@CatholicTruthOfficial I am so happy to be going through RCIA this year.

[@CatholicTruthOfficial]

Praise God!!!

[@OzCrusader]

@@HollywoodBigBoss May God continue blessing you!🙏

[@Aaron-SLC]

Wow you did great! Anyone open minded knows you brought food for thought. Great defense of the catholic faith

[@CatholicTruthOfficial]

🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@ClaraR25]

You did very well. I’m so proud of you for being Catholic and speaking the truth. God bless you🙏

[@pastorsmellgood2473]

This is why I left the Catholic Church over 20+ years ago; too many of their doctrines contradict scripture. Here you have someone telling him what scripture says, and he keeps reverting to the church and what they say. But this is what happens when you trust in man.

[@CatholicTruthOfficial]

Isn't that what Protestantism is? Telling your own opinions of what Scriptures is? You all tell what Scripture says and all contradict each other. Bryan not only quoted more Scripture through the debate, he also put it into context and gave more full explanations. Not to mention most Protestants disagree with this Protestant. He's teaching a warped version of Calvinism.

[@jeremylisic]

​@@CatholicTruthOfficialYou spend so much time and energy attacking what you call Calvanism. I'm not insulting your intelligence, just reminding us we all need to be humble in our human understanding. It seems your tradition and your trust towards men you deem to have authority is solely what you base your understanding on. It all reminds me of what Jesus tells the Pharisees in Mark 7. Every time I listen to Catholic theology I'm reminded of Mark 7.

[@carakerr4081]

This was such an amazing discussion. I especially appreciated your highlighting that the early church Fathers all believed in infant baptism and baptismal regeneration and that they were all Catholic hence receiving the Eucharist and the Sacrament of Penance, Marriage, etc. Such a wonderful talk I look forward to part 2. God bless you both!

[@MiguelLopez-gg6rw]

Ryan kind of disingenuous for coming with a different topic that was agree upon

[@CatholicTruthOfficial]

Well, we didn't agree on it beforehand. I just brought up the topic at the beginning of the show that I was planning for us to talk about. He somehow thought I commented do to in regard to of his salvation videos, which I didn't. But, he kind of pushed for it. I shouldn't have let it go through, but hey, it happens. ::Shrug:: Live and learn.

[@thezephyr42]

Actually, Bryan initially messaged Ryan to speak about faith alone and the catholic position of baptism and sacraments being required for salvation.. he should have been prepared for this conversation. Bryan wanted to change the topic to sola scriptura when they began the debate.

[@many_of_us]

​@@thezephyr42 Hello B I am replying to comats its fun and I saw your comment and wanted to say hi

[@theresiagranados882]

I don't think he was disingenuous. I think he was speaking from his perspective and learned methodology on a topic he is enthusiastic about. I am a former protestant and his methodology is standard. He seems to have difficulty addressing Scripture holistically, which is a Catholic/Eastern Christian way of viewing the Bible. I never encountered that way of looking at Scripture inside protestantism. It makes so much more sense, but we can't blame a guy whose entire education in Christianity is within an insular protestant community. You get taught to reject everything Catholic and treat Catholics as not Christian, so I have to give him credit for addressing Bryan as an equal. It is a step in the right direction, and I do admire his enthusiasm for the faith. Remember that Apollos was similarly enthusiastic but not entirely correct, and Priscilla and Aquila took him in and instructed him correctly without putting a damper on his enthusiasm.

[@WAHRHENDAHRSTEIN]

@@many_of_ushi

[@Irishman8787]

God bless all Catholics God bless all protestants God bless all E. Orthdox God bless us members of the Body of Christ . God help those who are in need of a conversion may God bless them and be they turn to the true Professing Christian Faith ❤❤❤❤❤

[@user-lj3ku5yd1h]

Ryan doesn’t believe that God works through baptism, Ryan also believes in OSAS which is why he misinterpreted so many verses. I can understand what he’s saying as I used to believe what he did. However even when I did hold to that I knew that the Bible definitely seemed to be teaching the opposite. It came from a place of anxiety over losing salvation and also for people that haven’t or can’t get baptized. However ironically with my understanding now, I realized that OSAS actually gives you way less confidence and that as far as baptism goes, there are always exceptions. Like baptism of desire or blood. God is not bound by his sacraments he can save who he wants.

[@SuperCsegovia]

I agreed As soon as the EARLY FATHERS were brought up, it was Over. None early Fathers believed what this young Protestant believes. That is why we have so many denominations reading the Bible and using their own interpretations for their own destruction. 2 Peter 3:16-18

[@adjoa-anima]

The only early fathers we know and accept are the apostles, they don't look anything like your priests, some were married, they didn't engage Mary even though she was alive, they spoke in tongues, did deliverance, miracles, gave long sermons. Were holyspirit filled, imparted the holy spirit to others. Your priests claim only they have have the holyspirit.

[@sharonodom6575]

​​@@adjoa-anima What? Who "didn't engage Mary although she was alive"; the apostles? She was not still alive as the early Church Father's gathered to discuss Christ's teachings?! --Catholics know the Holy Spirit is in everyone. --We also know about tongues, but it's a gift from God that you can't pray hard or fast enough to achieve. What is you're belief about tongues?

[@SuperCsegovia]

@@adjoa-anima 2 Questions for @ADJOA-ANIMA 1.- What is the name of your Denomination or Name of your Church? 2.- Where was that church, name of a Pastor for that Church and City BEFORE THE 1500?….

[@adjoa-anima]

@@SuperCsegovia those two questions are not important. 1, No where does it say joining a Christian institution will make one enter heaven, Jesus was clear how when he spoke to Nicodemus. 2, I am a born again Christian filled with the holyspirit, part of the spiritual body of Christ, which is all born again believers worldwide not church goers. Your church tradition cannot save me or anyone. Baal worship is ancient does that make it right?

[@adjoa-anima]

@@sharonodom6575 tongues is a gift,that comes when one is filled with the holyspirit, not the case for all believers but majority do have that gift, there are tongues of men where believers can speak another language and there are tongues of angels which understood by the lord and his angels with which we pray by the holyspirit. The bible says we should seek and we will find, ask and it shall be given to you, knock and it shall be open unto you. We are to desire the gifts, many have asked and received.

[@tirsotesorojr.8094]

God Bless the Catholic Church ❤

[@fredricCartier]

JESUS CHRiST 🙏 FOUNDED THE CATHOLiC CHURCH in 33AD 🙏

[@jhealey93]

The hyper-fixation on the satisfaction of the Father’s wrath is so interesting. It’s only one aspect/way of talking about the atonement, but some make it out to be the only way.

[@CatholicTruthOfficial]

Hyper fixation is what it seemed like to us also.

[@ev1627]

It was actually a crucial key point Ryan was going with to formally lay out the rest of the conversation. Ryan has a format of how he presents salvation even in conversations most would consider pointless he adamantly attempts to squeeze that in if possible. He wants you to understand that we deserve hell, our works and asking for forgiveness doesn’t impress God. If we’re attempting to bribe God, like our deeds for example being dirty rags in front of him and understanding forgiveness doesn’t remove the past sins that must be punished, we essentially come to the conclusion that we desperately need someone to bear the punishment we deserve, if we ignore this crucial part we will logically attempt to work to gain Gods grace. And undermine the fullness of Jesus’s sacrifice on the cross. God at the end of the day ends up getting all the glory because he chose us not the other way around when we believe his son did 100% of the work to guarantee us heaven.

[@Geralt400]

After an hour in I'm now critical of Ryan for the same reason I was critical of Catholic Truth. Baptism saving is not mutually exclusive with a faith alone understanding. Baptism is the ordinary means of salvation but Christ is not bound by the ordinary means to save us. Someone who has faith and dies before baptism is saved. Catholics sometimes say Baptism by desire and historic Protestants taught the same.

[@corneliusmakin-bird7540]

Look up what the Council of Trent teaches on this subject.

[@Geralt400]

@@corneliusmakin-bird7540 Yes Session 6, Chapter 8 lists the nuances of the interplay of faith and works. The councils are more nuanced than "Protestant bad". Later in the second Vatican Council the Unitatis Redintegratio highlights that many Protestants possess many of those nuances the Catholic Church recognizes.

[@Geralt400]

@@corneliusmakin-bird7540 The teaching of the Lutheran churches presented in this Declaration does not fall under the condemnations from the Council of Trent." (JDDJ, paragraph 41)

[@housecry]

Yes. It seemed to me they were speaking past one another.

[@randy-U.I.O.G.D.]

The GIFT of SALVATION is freely given by GOD thru Jesus. That GIFT of SALVATION is freely accepted by anyone who wants to receive it by having FAITH backed up by GOOD WORKS. That same GIFT of SALVATION even accepted already can still be REJECTED freely by anyone who has accepted it or hasn't accepted it.

[@kennynoNope]

Ryan is committing a Christological heresy of Nestorian by dividing up the wills and actions in the Godhead to believe the Father can damn the son all actions in the trinity are triune and can’t be divided this is condemned in the 3rd and 4th councils. There isn’t one human Christ and one divine Christ there is only one Christ who is fully both.

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

"I am Protestant because I KNOW that the last thing Jesus did before ascending was to hand the King James Bible to Martin Luther."

[@Jerome616]

lol

[@kathleenfrancis1872]

Funny 🤣

[@Phoenixmagnus]

😂😂😂

[@DaisyLandz]

Good one

[@javs559]

Wow

[@patarelquiroz]

Great job Bryan, about time this guy gets exposed! The mental gymnastics he has to go through to make his point is insane. Its also insane how he takes the side of heritics that Tertullian was writing about on the Baptism issue.

[@exjwlaura]

1:27 amen Brian you make excellent points and defend the faith so well❤ God bless you for standing up for Spiritual truths❤

[@DUZCO10]

@1:42:50 😂😅 Epic part 1 finale Proud supporter of Catholic Truth ❤️

[@Muro627]

Great job Bryan. Man that was a good old fashioned debate nobody was yelling and going crazy That young man he's pretty good. So maybe this will get him to do more history on The Catholic Church. Anyways God bless you keep up the great work brother looking forward to video 2

[@Paterquia]

He's not "good". He's a snake in the grass.

[@amadorlugo2698]

Bryan sir you cooked this man up and had him on the ropes the entire time 👨🏼‍🍳🔥. You did an amazing job, I’ve been wanting for someone to inform this man about what Catholics really believe!

[@sanity1179]

I LOVE THISSS!!! keep up the work Catholic truth! May God bless you.

[@IJ72]

Amen

[@gregorypilau3530]

Keep defending Catholicism brother

[@noviejohnlabergue1122]

Keep defending the religion not the TRUTH of the Word?

[@vaderkurt7848]

@@noviejohnlabergue1122 Jesus did establish a religion.

[@gregorypilau3530]

@noviejohnlabergue1122 Truth is a subjective and relative word in religious debates. Catholics see it differently, Muslims see truth differently, Jews see truth differently, and Buddhists, each individual protestant group, see it differently. There is no universal acceptance because it's not science where you can demonstrate it via scientific methods. However, Catholics have historical evidence to prove they trace their heritage all back to Christ. Unlike you, Protestants who just read a Bible text and interpret it subjectively to prove your point. That's your biggest LIE, yet you still think it's the truth 😆.

[@RetroLiveStreamStudio-nu2yf]

​@@noviejohnlabergue1122ask this to your pastor or research it by yourself. Clearly you're a keyboard warrior. Okay, trace your church if it gets to the line of Jesus. Ask your pastor in your church and tell him who was the previous pastor. The leader of the church okay. Then ask again who was the previous previous previous... pastor, make a family tree and if gets/points to Jesus Christ I will convert right away

[@cfG21]

​@@noviejohnlabergue1122 the truth is in the Catholic Christian chyrch

[@thatblissguythatblissguy9703]

“So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead." James‬ ‭2‬:‭17‬

[@CatholicTruthOfficial]

Exactly. And a dead faith doesn't save.

[@destroyingtheworksofthedev9349]

@@CatholicTruthOfficial Would the Romans have perceived this only receiving the Epistle to them? "To the one who works NOT but believes on the one who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness." Would they derive from the Pauline epistles that their faith without works was dead ?

[@Lex-kf5qj]

@@CatholicTruthOfficialbut works doesn’t save you, only faith in Jesus does. Your works does not save you, it helps you grow in Christ, but faith alone is what brings you to the kingdom of God not your works, you did nothing to deserve forgiveness that was ALL Jesus. You did nothing to deserve heaven and yet he loved the world so much that he brought his only begotten son that whoever BELIEVES in HIM will never die but have eternal life. It has nothing to do with works.

[@Nicholasvlogz]

@@Lex-kf5qjamen. Not sure why people try to use this verse to attack

[@Nicholasvlogz]

Nobody is arguing this point. Ryan himself would NOT argue this point. Just not a good point to bring up???? I’m confused on this commit.

[@prateekantony]

Been refreshing continuously since 22:00 to see this video.

[@IronInquisitor]

Hey Brian, big fan of your channel. In my humble opinion, I think it would be more efficient and organized if you get a moderator for next time, so you both have opening statements, rebuttals, cross examination, Q&A, etc. Also, I know Trent Horn has a casual conversation with his opponents beforehand (unrecorded) to agree on the topic, who has the burden of proof, etc. so both of you are clear in what you're debating. This conversation seemed less of a formal debate, and more of a dialogue. Keep up the great work, God bless brother.

[@delgande]

Protestants fixate on faith vs works because it justifies them not having a priesthood. For Apostolic Christians(Catholic,. Orthodox, etc) the sacraments are not good works and also not "works of the law" condemned. Protestant redefine works to include everything a person does out of their own will, or rather, works are everything that isn't faith. And faith to them is an intellectual assent, it must be And so if everything outside of the intellect is unnecessary, then the priesthood is unnecessary But this is wrong and if protestants admit that not everything outside the intellect is condemned or unnecessary then their ecclesiology crumbles since they have no priesthood

[@roisinpatriciagaffney4087]

Ryan doesn't appear to believe we must cooperate with Almighty God's gift of grace. Cooperation with God's grace isn't à facet of Protestantism.

[@nikolakrcic1021]

Its difficult to speak with Ryan, he is very slick, and sharp. I have spoke with him live on his channel atleast like 5 times, and hes a njce guy, but slick and crafty. What i have come to understand, which is the underlying issue is that, anybody can make the bible say whatever they want it to say, once you pick your favorite verses that support your position it can sound very convincing. Buuuuut the truth is that we already have a CORRECT understanding of scripture on how to be saved, and the CHURCH has this interpretation and information for us already, called the deposit of faith. Thats why id say, bible debates do not tell us anything. As my friend once said "any moron can make the bible say whatever they want it to say". And Sadly this is true. Thank God Christ gave us a church, not just a book. We are not people of the book, but we are people of the person Jesus Christ. And the church and Christ are One just as St. Paul says. Fun fact, The church would still be going on, same as today, even if we didnt have the bible.

[@shanahendricks9831]

He is very composed and gentle, however he does so with this pridefulness, he presupposes that his interpretation is the truth and that is comes from the bible and he thinks Catholics doesn't follow the bible

[@nikolakrcic1021]

@shanahendricks9831 very good understanding of how Ryan is. Real love and false love look a lot alike, but we can't fool God.

[@theyoungrider5449]

Needgodnet edit the debate like he did with the voice of reason and post it on his platform so that his audience see and taught he win the debate😂

[@tabandken8562]

Dishonesty is always the Protestant way.

[@many_of_us]

Gyes let's agree to disagree

[@glennargento4849]

When did Ryan and Voice of Reason debate? I know that they made a bunch of back and forth videos but did they actually debate?

[@tabandken8562]

@@glennargento4849 No, they didn't debate. But NeedGod did edit out Voice of Reason's video.

[@Baptist289]

@@tabandken8562 It took a lot of time. So that’s a reason why he did that. Stop gossiping him. And Voice of Reason kept doing Ryan’s personal attack. Isn’t that bad too?

[@walkingtherange5680]

If I tell Ryan: “come to my house for a free Ferrari”. By his logic, if he has to do works whatsoever, the gift ceases to be a gift. Coming to my house is a work but no one would claim that Ferrari is no longer a gift. Walking to my house is a work you have to do to receive the gift.

[@tylerquattrini3204]

And once you have the car, it won’t do anything for you unless you maintain it. It doesn’t maintain itself. Needing to maintain it for it to run how it’s supposed to work indeed does not make it stop being a gift

[@CatholicTruthOfficial]

I was going to add an example a few times but forgot by the time he was done talking. Like if a boss gave an employee free tickets to a concert. Just out of the goodness and mercy of his heart. He didn't do anything to earn them. Yet what if the employee does bad things by the end of the month play the concert comes and is fired by that time. Will you still receive them?

[@walkingtherange5680]

@@CatholicTruthOfficial Ryan seems to think salvation is unconditional gift that we receive through “true” faith; and cannot be lost. In 1 Corinthians 13:2 Paul himself said he’s nothing if he doesn’t have love along with his faith. Surely, Paul is someone who had “true” faith; yet he says he needs love (obedience)

[@joshuapinkham1631]

If it's impossible for me to build a bridge off an island I’m stuck on and God comes and builds a bridge for me, I see that bridge and scream "Lord!! Lord!! THANK YOU!!" That bridge is a free gift I could never build or merit for myself, yet if I choose to never walk on that bridge and I die, what will my God say to me? Did he build that bridge for me to marvel at the gift but never even try to honor it? Did I think he really didn’t want me to even try to walk across it, lest I be “working for my salvation?” Or does he want us to show our love and appreciation no matter how meritless for salvation our actions are? If living to show gratitude for our salvation in real actions means we all of sudden think we are earning our salvation, then our Father in heaven is more like a father on earth raising entitled and spoiled rotten trash for kids.

[@catholicismwow5406]

​@@CatholicTruthOfficiala really good analogy (Ryan's analogy was awful) is if you tell your kid you're going to buy them a car for their birthday, but they have to keep their grades up. They aren't earning the car. Keeping their grades up isn't anywhere near covering the cost of "earning" the car. The car is a gift. But if they don't keep their grades up, they can't receive the car

[@AdrianaMontemayor7]

THE MORE I HEAR PROTESTANTS..... THE MORE CATHOLIC I BECOME ❤️✝️ GOD BLESS U AND UR CHANNEL

[@BrotherinChr1st]

I'm halfway through and the conversation is great and productive. This helps people like myself who see the similarities.

[@Godfrey118]

The mental gymnastics Baptists have to go through to refuse Baptismal Regeneration is the strongest argument against perspicuity. So many verses have to be dismantled and history ignored.

[@marietav7342]

B + Ryan = Bryan Bryan - B = Ryan

[@All.For.You.Lord.]

Thank you

[@Mr.CUTE777]

@@marietav7342 cheesy 🧀🍕.lol 😆

[@marietav7342]

@@Mr.CUTE777 Hello, beshie! Nagutom tuloy ako sa comment mo. Hehe!

[@Mr.CUTE777]

@@marietav7342 Hahaha... How are ya? Long debate, so better watch it in 30 minutes.. para Hindi mapagod.. 😅😅✌️✌️

[@marietav7342]

@@Mr.CUTE777 Ok lang ako. :)

[@Onesimus_Owl]

Finally Ryan engages with someone who actually has knowledge cause he’s used to talk to people that have no clue. Great job Mr Mercier! Ryan usually twists the Bible as if it was a pretzel

[@CatholicTruthOfficial]

🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@anonyme3123]

That is what Catholics do! You call a mere human holy father( the Pope) When we have only 1 holy father, GOD! The Bible clearly tells us not to pray to dead peoples, Catholics do all the time. Catholics is just there to make money and lead people to hell😔

[@anonyme3123]

Purgatory, not biblical, mass for the dead, pagan! Baptism of babies, just wrong....

[@LJ-uu8gh]

Really appreciate defending our faith! love from the biggest catholic country in Asia, Philippines!

[@gunshotlagoon922]

A Catholic armed with the knowledge of church history, scripture and tradition put together is unstoppable.

[@Wildcat13131]

At corrupting the truth?

[@gunshotlagoon922]

@@Wildcat13131 1 Timothy 3:15 is the truth you should know and the Catholic Church upholds it.

[@Wildcat13131]

@@gunshotlagoon922 catholic church isn't there in the text. Stop lying

[@gunshotlagoon922]

​​@@Wildcat13131 So which church is it talking about then? It was the Catholic Church that compiled the Bible in the first place.

[@Wildcat13131]

@@gunshotlagoon922 it's talking about believers. And no the catholic church didn't compile the Bible.

[@Jerome616]

Eager to watch this no matter how it went, these kinds of things sharpen my own iron.

[@Jerome616]

I appreciate how patient and open you were during this conversation. I think it helps to act this way with our brethren.

[@adrianotsiganes189]

From an EO Christian i appreciate this conversation. Thank you for this video and conversation.

[@kyriacostheofanous1445]

Same. I'd pay to see needgodnet debate jay dyer. Jay is bullet proof in debates.

[@LilKevv]

​@@kyriacostheofanous1445agreed. I've messaged Kyle to ask Jay to set up a debate but Kyle says Jay is very busy rn so it may take some time

[@veraciity7]

@@LilKevvi hope to see it happen.

[@LilKevv]

@@veraciity7 me too. No offence to NeedGodnet but Jay would smoke him lol

[@dustins382]

Ryan would just end up saying "Jay was mean, he doesn't have the Holy Spirit" like it defeats the arguments.

[@quindariousgooch88]

Bryan won. (I just clicked on the video)

[@Thatoneguy-pu8ty]

Bryan - B (I’m only 30 min in 😉

[@immaculateheart1267]

The sad thing is that we have to have debates in the first place, bc of a church fractured long ago by people who told God they would prefer to worship Him their own way. He never meant for us to be divided. God's mercy allows Protestantism, but true grace is being in the true church.

[@ratatoskr9366]

It's not a sad thing, it's a beautiful thing imo (debate, not the division of our Church). Where people of different views come together for a friendly clash of ideas. It's when we stop talking to people we disagree with that it becomes sad. Besides, debates about God have been going on since the days of the Sanhedrin, where different jewish Sects debated theology. Our entire Christian history is a history of debates. What are the Ecumenical Councils but debates, where the Holy Spirit inspires saints to take down heretics like Arian.

[@Jerome616]

Amen to that

[@swoosh1mil]

Mr. Mercier excellent job! You stuck with your interlocutor point for point. And you were rather respectful and even-tone voiced. Your hard work really shined through. And I truly appreciate how you would agree and affirm on certain points when your interlocutor knowingly or unknowingly attempted to make a dichotomy.

[@roisinpatriciagaffney4087]

Bryan, you did a great job. Ryan can't win, because he doesn't have the true faith. Pray for his conversion. Blessed Mother, Star of the sea, pray for us.

[@krutchmaster]

The big problem with God pouring His wrath upon His Son and forsaking Him is that it splits the trinity apart. If God has Forsaken the Son who is also God, you now have two gods.

[@Simplydarrell]

I was thinking something sounded off. I mean theologically it sounded extremely odd the way Ryan kept trying to claim the punishment for innocent part rather than acknowledging that God took on the suffering of all the world as a blameless sacrifice. Really throws me through a loop listening to it because I don’t know exactly what point he’s making or rather what claims he’s making.

[@CatholicTruthOfficial]

Indeed. A big difficulty for proponents of this belief.

[@krutchmaster]

@@CatholicTruthOfficial Another issue is what happens to the Holy Spirit - since the Holy Spirit proceeds from the love between the Father and the Son, what happens when the link between the two of them is severed to the point where God won't even look upon His Son?

[@BrotherinChr1st]

He isn't pouring out his wrath because he has animosity or division with the son. The belief is that God punishes sin because God is a righteous God and judge. Jesus is the lamb without blemish and became sin on the cross which is why he said why have you forsaken me. I paraphrased. A righteous judge doesn't sweep a crime under the rug. We get this belief from old testament practice.

[@krutchmaster]

@@BrotherinChr1st But yet God the father won't look upon God the Son, That is why Calvinists say that Jesus cried out, "Why have you forsaken me?" I don't see how anyone cannot say that this is a split of the Trinity, even if God had the best of intentions for doing so.

[@Islandmaninthemiddleoftheocean]

I am 45 minutes in and NeedGod is not getting that to be CUT OFF of something means you were once united to it. Like you cannot CUT OFF something that was never united, he isn’t getting what that entails. If they never had faith to begin with, they were never cut off.

[@CatholicTruthOfficial]

Literally. I don't know how that could be more clear. If the leaf was on the ground or a branch was on the ground it couldn't be cut off. Because it wasn't part of the tree to begin with. It only can be cut off if it's actually part of the tree.

[@Islandmaninthemiddleoftheocean]

@@CatholicTruthOfficial Exactly, I think that the best way to approach this type of misunderstandings is questioning his presuppositions cause in the end of the day he has his own tradition of understanding the Bible. Cause you can show him any verses and he will interpret them one way or another, this is the problem with sola scriptura is all dependent in the translation of the Bible they are using and their presuppositions. I think that these kind of dialogues end up being on how to do exegesis, understanding of the original translation and clarifying definitions of statements of various kinds.

[@Emmanuel.557]

Ryan is great! Always going back to the Bible to prove his points and showing people the truth :)

[@thelutheranlayman5981]

So he just ignored the thesis of the debate?

[@halleylujah247]

Seems he didn't understand how formal debates work.

[@CatholicTruthOfficial]

It was not agreed on beforehand. I told him the topic when he arrived but he had a different one in mind. After a little discussion and kind of forcing the topic a bit, we went with his. We were supposed to come back around but got to deep into it.

[@TrueChristianityWithSandra]

Great debate! Minor suggestion: Guest hijacked the topic and took control of debate. Highly recommend not allowing that in the future. Ask to return to their query after agreed topic is concluded. ❤

[@halleylujah247]

100%😊🙏

[@CatholicTruthOfficial]

I didn't agree on a topic before hands. As soon as we started talking. But then he thought it was going to be something else. And so I said we should do hours first and then we can talk about his, but I don't know about getting switched. But yes, agreed.

[@annb9029]

Iv noticed that need god likes to be in control

[@mussman717word]

​@@annb9029 Typical of those who fear obedience.

[@satoshiumei4622]

​@@annb9029else it won't go well for him

[@Reubinv]

Clearly Jesus didn't take ALL the punishment for our sins, even after we are born again we still have to die a physical death which is a result of sin. That alone refutes that Christ took ALL of our punishment for sin.

[@Onlyafool172]

Thats actually a fair point, if Christ did it also, we wouldnt be so much sin prone, its like we are making more sins but christ aproved

[@mikeshoppe91]

Mannnnn Iam not even catholic and that was gooooddd.... Good job Bryan 👍🏾

[@Kulharg]

Well spoken and kind conversation. I don't know if I would call this a formal debate. Praise God for kindness and fruit bearing conversation even in disagreements.

[@PilotZoomer]

Your haircut looks great Mr Bryan!

[@CatholicTruthOfficial]

Thanks. I actually need a haircut, haha.

[@rafecolii]

This is so good. Kinda lame that the Aussie didn't stick to the agreed upon topic. I think that was a bad-faith tactic, but Mercier really really held up strongly. Well done, brother.

[@kbbtt]

This made me chuckle. Its not so difficult when you’re on the right side of the debate (and have done your homework)

[@josephmiller876]

It's a real shame the topic of authority couldn't be explored. Could have bypassed a lot of that back and forth.

[@CatholicTruthOfficial]

100%. Maybe why he didn't want to explore it?

[@Onlyafool172]

​@@CatholicTruthOfficialbecause of 1 timothy 3 : 15, and Mathew 16:18, as well as some other parts

[@many_of_us]

​@@CatholicTruthOfficialhang on a minute there is a second part

[@many_of_us]

They is a second part lol

[@alanp1991]

For those who like needgod, can't understand salvation being a gift that can be taken away. Here is a great example. Imagine us as children. If you and your child walk into a store and your child asks for a toy. Your child does not have the means to purchase that toy (salvation ) no matter what he does he cannot purchase it, he lacks the money, he lacks the job and he lacks the skills to acquire the job to obtain the money to buy salvation. But the father can purchase the toy, and as many of us fathers do. We buy our children that you. But we tell the child as long as you behave I can get you the toy. The toy is indeed a gift that the child otherwise would have never been able to get without the father. Now if that child misbehaves then father can that take that toy away which is a gift. That fact that he can take it away and then give it back to the child does not mean it's not a gift. It's the fact that no matter what that child did without the father he could not and would not ever be able to get it, and so the father giving it to the child through his own will, that's what makes it a gift. A gift that we can all lose or like some of us choose to not accept.

[@Wiktor-n3f]

Bro is gonna destroy him

[@BlankPaperFilms]

I like that the comment is vague enough for both sides to agree to

[@GraceofGodpreacher1611]

Lol he got destroyed not ryan

[@reverendcoffinsotherson5807]

​@@GraceofGodpreacher1611you didn't watch the same debate everyone else did, I see....

[@dan_m7774]

​@@GraceofGodpreacher1611Ryan's beliefs are Baptist, which high church Protestantism rejects.

[@kbbtt]

@@GraceofGodpreacher1611Looooooooooooool

[@destroyingtheworksofthedev9349]

In the opening - does Bryan deny that God is ever angry? "He is angry with the wicked every day" The proud shall not stand in his sight, thou hatest ALL workers of iniquity" Just a few come to mind

[@CatholicTruthOfficial]

Angry every day? So, He's the Hulk? Anger is a human emotion. God is not human, nor does he have emotions. This is human beings trying to explain the deep spiritual things of God that don't always convey well with human words.

[@destroyingtheworksofthedev9349]

"This is human beings trying to explain the deep spiritual things of God that don't always convey well with human words." So you're saying you have you no clue either? At least offer an attempt at telling us it doesn't mean what it says Psalms 7:11 “God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.” *insert metaphorical understanding* Here is why you are categorically wrong about God loving everyone -- "I NEVER KNEW YOU - Depart from me ye workers of iniquity" How can Jesus love a people he never knew? Please dignify this with a coherent answer

[@dirtysink373]

So frustrating how Ryan keeps interrupting, obviously not willing to listen and try and understand the other side.

[@CatholicTruthOfficial]

Especially when someone starts making a good point. He seemed to want to cut it off. I've noticed that pattern. But I did too sometimes. :)

[@Lex-kf5qj]

Don’t picks sides buddy they both did lol

[@YoThatsFabo]

In John 3:5, Jesus says, "Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit." Here, "born" refers to spiritual rebirth or regeneration. Specifically, it means being born again through baptism (water) and the Holy Spirit. This concept emphasizes the importance of both a physical act (baptism) and a spiritual transformation for entering the kingdom of God.

[@davidstamburski9487]

Most Protestants look at John 3:5 as amniotic fluid.

[@christianorthodoxy4769]

And that's exactly' what many of them have in their brain.. 😂💦💧😅 including a lot of polluted air!'* Lol'z 😧 now watch 🤭 the comment. Lol!!! 😤

[@CatholicTruthOfficial]

Right. Which is nowhere to be found or in the context.

[@sakamotosan1887]

That would be a bizarre reading of the text. Does that mean that if a baby is aborted then they can't be saved? What about a C-Section? Claiming that it's the water of physical birth is saying that you have to be BORN to be saved, which is dumb since that's just saying that you have to exist. That's saying nothing at all. Baptism makes way more sense and it is what Christians believed for CENTURIES.

[@naomiwilliams4710]

ewwwwwww

[@kbbtt]

@@naomiwilliams4710Aww

[@teofilocala5361]

Great job Ryan!

[@marietav7342]

Ryan gives nothing but his personal interpretation of scriptures. Personal interpretation of scriptures is a false gospel. He preaches a false gospel.

[@shanahendricks9831]

He does so under the front of scripture alone

[@corneliusmakin-bird7540]

@@shanahendricks9831 correct which is a heretical/and unbiblical tradition and methodology.

[@HellenicPapist]

If Protestants want to see a great video that challenges their doctrine “penal substitution”, watch “Does the Crucifixion do Anything?” by _Shameless Popery._

[@jd3jefferson556]

Best apologist channel!

[@HellenicPapist]

@@jd3jefferson556 Agree! Joe is another _wonderful_ witness for the faith.

[@venalegaoi4218]

9:28 Mate God does not send sinners to Hell. Please stop with this non sense. If this is the type of argument this guy is making then I feel sorry for his soul. God is an ever loving God, only a sinner will send themselves when they freely chose to sin and separate themselves from our loving God.

[@zacharyloupe3800]

Just a thought…both the thief on the cross and Cornelius in the book of Acts are 2 examples of people who were born again without water baptism (or before water baptism as in the case of Cornelius). Therefore, water baptism if not necessary for regeneration.

[@anonyme3123]

I like how both remain calm and respectful.

[@YaksoHD]

This historical text completely destroys part of Needgod's refutation to Byran in 1:35:00-1:38:00. Ryan says St. Polycarp did not know about/implied he was against baptism or speak of it but, one of the letters sent to Polycarp by one of the early disciples of the apostles and a Bishop of Antioch, St. Ignatius of Antioch implies otherwise. In (Letter to Polycarp 6 circa A.D. 110) by St. Ignatius he writes, "Let none of you turn deserter. Let your *Baptism* be your armor; your faith, your helmet; your love, your spear; your patient endurance, your panoply" The Didache also goes over baptism which is another early Church document believed by all Churches and early Church fathers like St. Clement & Polycarp. Baptism is a fundamental of obedience to Christ and our baptism is the moment we are reborn into Christ. This is what the Scriptures teach, Ryan's interpretation is just a historical novelty compared to what all Christians believed before it. Ryan's view can't represent true Christianity if it is against all of what Christianity believed for over 1000+ years. He tried to make a point about Tertullian and his writing as well which is just a argument from silence since as Bryan stated we don't know the context of who Tertullian is correcting or teaching this too. They could or could not be Christians and even if they were Christians it doesn't necessarily imply they believed as Ryan Needgodnet believes or even continued in there belief after correction if there was correction. It's a really bad argument from silence, not fallacious but, not convincing vs the contra evidence placed forward by the Church Fathers & early Christians. I think he's just really deep into his own understanding and is unwilling to accept opposing ones. My only major problem with Ryan is that he continually claims that if a Catholic actually follows Catholicism to the end of their life that they will be damned. He believes Catholicism leads to hell, that is main contention with him. God bless you Bryan and yours and keep up the great work!

[@annb9029]

Good info

[@YaksoHD]

@@annb9029 Thank you

[@jfgskaintayo8167]

Well done 🎉❤Catholic truth.

[@ratatoskr9366]

Finally! Was waiting for a Catholic to debate this dude, glad it was you and I hope you dont hold back. Looking forward to listening to this!

[@CatholicTruthOfficial]

Hope you enjoyed it. Hope you watched through to part two. :)

[@ccelms6581]

Thank you SO MUCH for this conversation! I have a much better understanding of Catholicism and your perspective because of this conversation. Though, again, I would NEVER be Catholic, I do want to understand Catholicism and I learned so, so much from this discussion. Fantastic job BOTH of you! I truly hope you, Catholic Truth, do this more often.👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 I will watch (or at least, I will intend to watch) every single video where you have a conversation with a biblical Christian. There are not enough of these conversations.

[@Joshua-nw9pg]

Why do you say biblical Christian’s as if catholics are not?

[@ccelms6581]

@@Joshua-nw9pg: Are you sure you want an answer to that question? Because I’ll be brutally honest and sometimes people don’t like that.

[@Joshua-nw9pg]

@@ccelms6581 go ahead, I believe if you truly research Catholicism through the likes of shameless popery, Trent horn, Scott Hahn, Catholic answers, Brant Pitre, John bergsma, William albrecht, Gk Chesterton, Peter kreeft, Jimmy akin, the catechism and the multitude of early church doctors and fathers all your “objections” will be answered. I do hope you attempt to seek this in good faith. It is much easier now to not be ignorant about what the church actually teaches from its own mouth. So I do urge you if you are truly seeking Christ with good faith to at the very least not take Catholic teaching explained by non Catholic sources as the truth. God bless you. No amount of brutal “honesty” will phase me as a fervent follower of Christ- I’ve had my objections with the church growing up without being well catechised so I can understand the pov of someone on the outside. Thank God for the internet- in another time I may have rejected what I hold to now which seems so naturally and spiritually consistent with the apostolic witness.

[@ryanmccall2000]

Good to see this. So many people blinded by Ryan’s constant reels debating against people who are unsuspecting. And yes it is more debating than preaching. So good to see someone test him and prove wrong some of the things he says

[@many_of_us]

Ahh that is such a classic Ryan line " so do you agree that based on your actions would you go to heaven or hell"

[@dustins382]

I remember when I was protestant there was an odd teaching that was basically "if you don't boldly approach the throne and believe with confidence you are saved, you have less chance of salvation"... Which is very odd, it's like trying to teach us to approach the throne with pride rather than humility. The obsession with how you view your own position in the kingdom only seems to stem from pride. They argue that it's a position of humility, that they fully accept the sacrifice of Christ to save them and have full faith in that, but this particular aspect is kind of irrelevant to our salvation. Won't God save those of us who aren't certain of our status but still struggled for the kingdom? Yes? Okay then it's a moot point. If you say no, then you are essentially arguing for easy believism, that confidently saying one prayer and then doing whatever you want is enough to get to heaven because you're confident in it. It's delusion and a dangerous position to hold.

[@many_of_us]

@@dustins382 ok what do you think gets you to heaven ( I have never gotten eniey clarity on this from Catholics)

[@dustins382]

@@many_of_us I understand we're on a Catholic channel but I'm Orthodox. Regardless we do have a lot of crossover on this topic. I don't think it's a simple "one liner" that's catchy. Anything I try to reduce it to will result in misunderstanding because we have completely different worldviews. That said, I guess I'll try. Repentance is massive. If you say you have faith but don't repent, that's problematic. And I think Catholics say like us Orthodox that repentance is a work and we don't have a problem with that. Ultimately the faith v works debate comes down to a misunderstanding of definitions and where we place the emphasis. Participation in the life of the Church is another big thing. I'm pretty sure I've heard Catholics say the same thing as us Orthodox that salvation is a process, not a distinct event only. There is often a moment of turning your will away from sin towards God that most can point to as a "conversion moment", but that alone isn't salvation. We say "I have been saved, I am being saved, and I will be saved". So there's past, present, and future tense involved in salvation. It's my understanding that the overwhelming majority of tenses that are used for "saved" or "salvation" in the Greek are future tense. Almost all of them if I remember, but feel free to look into that and test me. If you'd like a more thorough understanding of the Orthodox (and I'm pretty sure by extension Catholics) what exactly would be salvation, check out the channel Faith Unaltered, there's a discussion with Fr John Whiteford on justification with some protestant guys. There's also a FANTASTIC interview with Fr Josiah Trenham called Rock and Sand, a two part interview that goes over this topic in a fairly large portion of the interview, as well as the relevance to the broader picture.

[@user-ps4ky5jk8w]

I look at St. Paul how St. Paul doesn’t even judge himself as righteous

[@many_of_us]

@@user-ps4ky5jk8w who said that they were righteous