DEBATE: Is Homosexuality Consistent with New Testament Obedience?

[@gigia9515]

The one side relies heavily on feelings, the other side relies on the Word of God. It is so important to study the scriptures.

[@danestewart-stuart8771]

Dear Dr. Brown & Dr. White, Can you help me with this? The Scripture gives no indication that Naomi was anything but a normal, healthy (mentally & emotionally stable) First Covenant Jewish woman with no reason to suppose any sexual or sinful perversion like female homosexuality. And likewise, Ruth, though a Mo-aw-bee' gentile... there is NO reason to imply female homosexuality ! THIS RATIONALE IS ABSURD ! (FORGET IT !) And the men who were the townsmen and elders were all godly, honorable men under the First Covenant ! Where, in the name of the Lord, did this mere notion come in, that Boaz & Ruth were in sex sin? Verse 3:11 states clearly, that EVERYONE in the situation (and in the town KNEW) that Ruth was a woman of excellence, of noble character, of worth... A VIRTUOUS WOMAN ! ! ! This ofcourse, means NOT a harlot, NOT an adulteress, NOT a female homosexual ! And the absurd statement that Boaz and Ruth were not properly married ? ? ? (IS THIS A PERSON DESPERATELY GRABBING AT STRAWS FOR EXCUSES FOR THEIR OWN LIFE ?) Ruth, Chapter 4, Verse 13 b, CLEARLY states... 13 So Boaz took Ruth, and she BECAME HIS WIFE, and he went in to her. (....) HOW WERE THESE TWO NOT PROPERLY JOINED IN A GODLY MARRIAGE. They certainly were not in sex sin.

[@PaulDavid70]

Fantastic debate Dr. Brown and Dr. White. Thank you for standing up for the truth!

[@ElenaRoche]

Both homosexual preachers believe that Christ was a perfect man who was humiliated, tortured, crucified and sacrificed for them. However, they will not sacrifice their carnal desires for Him. How is this love?

[@JustMe-cj8ok]

Excellent point

[@Charles.Wright]

This Chris fella seems pretty awesome! 😉

[@waitingandwatching9328]

could not have said this better

[@vigorvitales]

Are you expected to leave your heterosexual orientation for Christ ?! Then why should they ?!

[@ElenaRoche]

@@vigorvitales We are not expected to leave it, we are expected to be heterosexual. That's what the Bible teaches.

[@ambivertical]

I just love the chemistry between brother Brown and James white. How they seamlessly transition between each other. Love the brotherly love in Christ.

[@fernandopaulus9088]

I see what you did there

[@loypurdoy3950]

""Im born this way" That is why you need to be born again

[@nonameyet9165]

AmenToThat

[@countryhome7668]

Yes everyone was born into sin because of what Adam and Eve did in the garden. But everyone has a opportunity to leave their sin past behind when they give their lives to Jesus.

[@Antoates76]

Well put.

[@Charles.Wright]

@zempath - and here you are, with your "understanding" of pharisees! We've come full circle.

[@Godswill247always]

@zempath oh, the bible says Hebrews 12:2 KJV Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. The bible did not say looking unto another man and not even the pharisees nor the pastors but Jesus as our example and LORD and SAVIOUR. No one will stand for another on the day of judgement. Pharisees self, won't stand for their children. Let everyone hold his/her head.

[@Christine.Colbert]

*Dr. Brown is soooooo excellent in debate. Astute, right on the mark, patient with opponents, gracious. Wow! Dr. White's addressing the tossing away of what Paul wrote because he was "imperfect" was strong and skillful. Well done, Gentlemen!!!*

[@acevirtueson997]

That was the key moment in understanding how they could arrive at their twisted conclusion. It always begins with a diluted perspective of the authority of Scripture.

[@waitingeagerly]

This is one of the best debates I've ever seen on this topic. Such a wonderful balance of grace and truth here. The question is difficult not because the answer is hard to find, but because it's hard to accept. At least that's how it was for me. I know this firsthand.

[@hungrybruh]

You know something is wrong when someone defends unbiblical positions by saying "God said to me....."

[@worshipperforchrist8026]

🤣🤣🤣 RIGHT Lol!

[@jamespayne5570]

Do we need to explain why the proud drunk church isn't ok?

[@ewene2656]

Dr. Brown and Dr. White did an excellent job of explaining their theological arguments simply for their audience to understand, while using just the right amount of technical vocabulary to demonstrate their expertise. They were not talking over the heads of their audience in an attempt to laud their learnedness over the audience. An excellent example of good teaching.

[@tacostickup]

I found this video to be so amazing. I used to be gay but I have been transformed by the power of Jesus's blood. It is possible for a gay person to change, it's not easy, but what in life is really. I loved the "Were" argument dr white presents because that is me,I am a "were" not I am transformed and going after God with all that is in me. I found hope in Jesus!!

[@sononfya]

Hi, I don't know if you still feel the same way you did when you posted. But, I am wondering if you have ever seen Netflix's "Pray Away"? Same-sex-attracted Christians came to realize that gay conversion was harmful. Although one can change their behaviors, they can't change their feelings. Mankind hates, not God. 1946 saw "homosexuality" inserted into the Bible. It was mistranslated. There's a trailer on KZbin about it. Also, in 1973, homosexuality was de-classsified as a mental disorder. Humanity and human sexuality deserves the truth and love.

[@tonton1945.]

Praise God❤️

[@trucyaurelia2410]

@@francandsex8793 i think he means that he resists the temptation

[@trucyaurelia2410]

@@francandsex8793 not many

[@ChristisLord2023]

@@francandsex8793 considering the fact that God's standards are the same for all sin, how many will genuinely make it to heaven? Narrow is the gate and few will find it.

[@OT-ru1ns]

Only just watched this debate. I'm so amazed at how well Dr Brown and Dr White worked together. It was seamless, powerful, and full of grace. This is a perfect example of speaking the truth in love. Excellent.

[@sionesione956]

Beautifully done James and Michael. No emotions to interfere with the truth of the scripture. I do hope the other two will consider what the scripture says, and not how they feel in the future.

[@vamingxiong4376]

Let's all just be real here. Sinners will find excuses to keep sinning, Nuff said.

[@miguelinclan2521]

So, you do not sin or struggle?

[@Pauldayspring]

@@miguelinclan2521Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound

[@thetraveler7368]

Listening to this again, Ruth said “Young people today don’t need rules” don’t need rules!? Young people today more than ever need rules, God gave us rules and laws to live by and she’s says “they don’t need rules they need love” if you love your kids you will give them rules, guidelines and boundaries to live by and they thrive, you just have to see kids and young people who don’t have rules to know Young People Need Rules! If you love your kids you will discipline them just as God disciplines us and you know how and why to apply discipline because of rules and guidelines.

[@Pauldayspring]

This is why someone like her could experience Matthew 7:21 ‘I never knew you’ on the last day. I pray she repents

[@nonameyet9165]

PeopleWillGoToAllLengthsToDefendTheirSin.

[@FeWolf]

One verse that sums it up, " I Do Not Change"

[@thetraveler7368]

Uggghhhh The “Ruth & Naomi were Gay” thing. They where Not! For so many reasons. And they Still! Can’t give Any examples of Homosexuality being affirmed in the Bible. 😒

[@Yoyohunger4Truth]

There're not rightly dividing the Word. they have been taken away by their own lusts for years and prayerfully I pray that they just give God a opportunity to show them His Love and deliverance.

[@hannahmanderino8681]

Also her assertion that Ruth slept with Boaz out of wedlock and conceived a child 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️ I think you need to reread the story, lady.

[@jacobfernandez6055]

I have no idea how she could possibly even get that from the story

[@babyface8308]

Dr. Brown and Dr. White are so brilliant and intelligently articulate in their presentations. They were on 🔥. Praise God for such men who speak the truth in love!

[@willieyu4391]

When people are covered by darkness... they can't understand the Scriptures... even the demons love there co-demons... unless they are really awaken by the Holy Spirit... they will see the light of the Scriptures...

[@Maria-zr7ph]

Just stumbled on this debate. I was gay and hated christians. I had a friend invite me to church and I went and I was super offended. I continued going though because something was drawing me back. Eventually, I was filled with the Holy Spirit and as soon as I surrendered my life (including my sexuality) to God, He delivered me!! All same sex desires were removed and I was given new life. All of the scriptures I once hated made so much sense now and everything came together. You have to be willing to surrender everything to your very core to allow God to transform you. Base your walk with Christ on His word, not your experience and feelings.

[@christianl.musicentertainm7396]

Amen! I recommend you watch clean the class w dr. Doug weis

[@GreatOutdoorsDetecting]

Well done Dr. Brown! Way to confront them in grace and truth.

[@WiseChristian60]

I have to say this is one of the best debates I've ever watched. Yes, one side goes with feelings and experiences and the other side uses scripture and that was very obvious. However, with the way the world is today with all the hatred and the division in America this debate, is textbook on how it's supposed to be done. The church that put this on should be commended as well it was totally professional and as a Christian it made me proud. Both sides treated their opponent, with great respect and dignity. I never heard one derogatory or mean spirited word from either side! I watched and listened to every minute. The discourse in our country right now is in the gutter and these four people made me proud, this how it is supposed to be, we may disagree but we don't demean each other and make fools of ourselves. It just shows you can stand for your convictions and faith without going in the gutter, calling names and making yourself look crazy. Well done to all four participants. Great job to Dr. Brown and Dr. White as well as Ruth and Duane though I disagreed with the affirmative side, they were absolutely respectful, courteous and professional and I commend them. God bless.

[@joecdude3381]

The most disturbing part of this to me is that they are “pastors”

[@coreydallmeyer67]

Good to see these sober men of God in the fear of the Lord on this important topic.

[@michaeldukes4108]

No offense, but nobody cares about your life story, Pastor (?) Ruth. Base your defense on Scripture. EDIT: To clarify, obviously we should offer empathy whenever appropriate as believers, but Ruth’s life story was irrelevant to the topic at hand.

[@eugenenunn4900]

Thank you brother. I can care less about wha tf I feel or where I came from if it's in opposition to God.....

[@eugenenunn4900]

I didnt mean to put tf* auto correct....

[@Charles.Wright]

@zempath - you win! My mind is changed! How foolish I have been!

[@Nolongeraslave]

@@Charles.Wright 😁😁😁

[@noneofyourbusiness7965]

@zempath about what?

[@MV-fj3fd]

I have never seen anyone so comprehensively lose a debate as the affirming side here. Just reached the staggering part where Duanne admits Paul was against his position.

[@donnyweberms]

Great job James and Michael. You both have more patience than I.

[@danroach8801]

Me too no time for these todger Dodgers and shirt lifters

[@TitusJudah]

@@danroach8801 wow such Christ-like love.

[@danroach8801]

@@TitusJudah fair point

[@mamabearcake9542]

I love when ppl can be civil and talk to each other

[@Yabooo]

1:20:15 "When the Holy Spirit reveals to me that my life is good and that I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing, it sounds like you're rejecting my relationship with God and the Holy Spirit speaking to me" This woman is deluded.

[@LindaIBrown]

The 15 minute rebuttal has no substance to scriptural references. This comes from not studying the word to understand what they are reading. Second, love is a very big word. I ask how many of those in this homosexual life style have been wounded? And so does love becomes something that they look for and/or never fulfilled? As for being able to procreate, then why did God tell Noah to take the animals two by two and the words repeats that they were male and female, male and female...in Genesis 7 the words “male and female” reads throughout this chapter....

[@malihehcarter7668]

I’m grateful for God and thanks for true holy bible we believe🙏 thank you Dr.Brown and Dr.White you both are gift of God to teaching us 🙏🇮🇱♥️

[@RestoreWithDavidCMcGuire]

As usual, truth spoken in love. Duane at the end there was really shaken by scripture. Let us know any follow up. God really moved in his heart. Nothing is impossible with God.

[@danroach8801]

@k johnson you never know what the holy spirit will do with the words presented to either of the homosexual debaters and if nothing at least they gave them no excuses on judgment Day

[@northshore1000]

Just an observation. In my 58 years of life on this earth, I’ve never come across a church led by a female pastor that wasn’t liberal and did affirm homosexuality. Seems to be a problem here...

[@LegendOfTheIceKing]

I actually enjoyed this debate a lot and though I fully agree with James White & Michael Brown (who did an amazing job of speaking with kindness to the debaters), I actually learned a lot from the debaters. I know scripturally their arguments are wrong but I think it was great to really hear how they're feeling and where they're coming from.

[@ambivertical]

Thanks for taking time to do this and share this debate. I don’t find being part of the LGBT movement biblical but it was helpful to hear their perspectives. Thank God for movements like the freedom march and ex-lgbt testimonies on KZbin.

[@technoloverish]

For the record, do you think homosexual sex between consenting adults should be a crime under law. The way I see it, consenting adults should be able to have whatever relationship they want with each other.

[@LetsTalk649]

Techno Fan the government should not give legitimacy to perverse sexual activity.

[@nyambsdeborah8954]

@@technoloverish they have the free will to do whatsoever they want. It should not be made a law.

[@Yabooo]

1:44:00 "Paul isn't our savior. Paul is an imperfect man writing imperfectly..." He straight up said divinely inspired scripture is imperfect. My jaw dropped hahahaha

[@b.rocket]

Brown and White presented the absolute truth with love, compassion and grace.

[@samuelniles3348]

I was almost breath-taken (if that's not a word it is now) by the intellectual dishonesty Robinson conveyed when he tried to accuse you of advocating for incest. It was clearer than clear that you were simply taking HIS statement to its logical conclusion and he tried to flip it on you saying "so YOU'RE saying incest is moral?" "Jesus didn't say incest was bad but Paul did." "But Paul said homosexuality was bad." "Well, Paul was imperfect." "So...why don't you apply that logic to incest then?" "Are you saying incest is moral?" No, you were asking why HE didn't think it was moral based on his own logic. It was clear as day.

[@shayla4796]

SAmuel Niles ugh exactly ! I noticed that as well. Extremely consistent with that logic. Also notice he claims Paul is imperfect yet he quoted Paul multiple times throughout the debate ? I guess Paul’s words are only imperfect when they negate your narrative ?? Lol great debate

[@deniseblanco9392]

This is so sad! Those people are totally lost, the worst part is they twisted God's Word unto their own destruction. Even they've being confronted with the truth by brothers Brown & White but they remain in darkness by choice. It's heartbreaking!

[@michaeltorah4002]

Yes, it's truly sad

[@PaDutchRunner]

It’s a study is the noetic effect of sin, that’s for sure. Our endless ability to deceive ourselves is truly astonishing.

[@MG-hy5yf]

A liberal pastor unaccustomed to talking about obedience? What a shock.

[@LindaIBrown]

You cannot separate the Old Testament from the New Testament. The two books are entwined. You have to know what you are reading and studying to understand where the Old Testament is referenced at in the New Testament. To foreshadow means to reference to something. It’s clear that many people do not read and study the Bible enough to understand the fullness of the word of God. I haven’t always understood the Bible but my relationship with God and seeking Him has opened my eyes to the deeper illumination of His word... Again for Ruth, it’s not about the sex so you said, I have to ask anyone in this lifestyle - have you fully forgiven yourself of all your pass wounds? Love, looking for love in all the wrong places. Those in this lifestyle have not fully embraced the agape love Jesus Christ, for if you did, the Holy Spirit would convict you and you’d turn from your sin, whatever your sin would be.

[@eskoelmwood5936]

Do you believe slavery should be a legal institution within the united states?

[@eskoelmwood5936]

Slavery is a legitimate institution in the bible and at no point is slavery deemed wrong, again in the bible. If you think slavery is wrong then why is being a homophobe right?

[@LindaIBrown]

Esko Elmwood Then you didn’t read the Bible with clear understanding to understand slavery or homosexual activities. I am not homophobic. I love all people and hate to see anyone fall prey to the devil’s plans. Once again, those in this lifestyle have fortified their legacies and erased who they are when they die. They leave nothing when they die. When they die so does their dreams and aspirations. They can’t produce seed (children, mankind) to replenish the earth. This was God’s commandment given to his creation of male and female. Then he sealed the deal in union as in marriage when he male cleaved to the woman and left mother and father (parents) to be as one. Pray and ask God to reveal His truth. He will unwrap His word for your understanding and lead you to those who can help you understand completely the word. Find a good Holy Ghost filled person who can teach you truth. So please no homophobia here. Just God’s truth!

[@eskoelmwood5936]

@@LindaIBrown If you are not a supporter of slavery then you do not agree with the words written in the bible. so why cherry pick what you want to believe or not believe from book like that? There are dozens of verses speaking about how to treat slaves, and when you should beat them, how to go about selling your daughters into slavery. The book is disgusting by today's standards. If taken in the context of the times then yes it is absolutely normal, but we don't live in times of illiteracy. Finally to read passages like those found in Timothy and come away with anything other than a direct reference to how the bible supports an institution that has been amended in the constitution as a crime against humanity, you are lying to yourself. What people do in the privacy of their own homes is none of your business. What creator god that is capable of making the universe would give a crap about how people have sex. The would is full of much bigger issues that have put humanity in imminent danger, such as human trafficking, or natural disasters.

[@LindaIBrown]

Esko Elmwood you are misinformed and there’s no cherry picking about how God feels about homosexuality or any other sexual sin which changes the order of His human creation. My suggestion, that you truly seek God on ALL His word and not pick and chose what is comfort for your flesh. Pray first before you read the Bible, and find you a good place to truly learn, research and study the word of God. You are misinformed. The subject is homosexuality according to God’s word. Be careful what you focus on that divides you. God bless and I pray you find peace and truth in God.

[@LindaIBrown]

Very interesting! The Holy Spirit convicts! God drew me to Him and I opened my heart and received His Son, Jesus Christ, Yeshua, the Messiah! And when He draws you, you will humble yourself and follow Him!

[@paulpaluciano6162]

May God bless you and your loved ones, sister! Amazing Grace!! In Yeshua's mighty name!

[@everlastthomas3549]

Thank you doctors your arguments were rooted in the Word , you backed up your points with scripture while the others were basing their arguments on feelings. God let their hearts be changed their minds be transformed, the homosexual affirmers.

[@technoloverish]

Well technically, the notion that the Bible is the inerrant word of God is merely a feeling too.

[@polynesia8733]

1;23:00 she lost me after she implied a lesbian relationship between Naomi and Ruth then reversed which person left their home to follow the other. Then said left "moaz" is it a senior moment? Just so clueless about scripture. She brings up old testament and then her partner complains to Mike and James they should only discuss new testament when it was their side incorrectly bringing up Ruth and Naomi.

[@Unknown_Disciple_Of_Christ]

I commend Michael and James for boldly upholding the truth. I pray for Dwayne and Ruth on the other side..Repent and turn to the LORD

[@shelzo]

I am so happy I found this channel! You guys are amazing.

[@toma3447]

People love to defend sin. Unless they have repented.

[@EgyptEGY]

YEHUVA bless you Dr. Brown, you are a living example of Yeshua, People be like Lions when it comes to faith, say the truth without fear.

[@humbertothebeliever2443]

Any Christian that practices sin and claims God's Holy Spirit is speaking to them are not listening to God's voice but to Satan. I let scripture be my guide, not a voice. Be very careful with that.

[@expsterm1]

Actually pretty scary how someone can wax eloquent to justify living in sin, quoting scriptures and sound sincere. The Bible says there are deceiving spirits speaking and the Devil can dress up in the light.

[@FeWolf]

Interesting debate, did not change my point of view on the matter, but the black pastor bringing out his skin color was a knee jerk at working the crowd.

[@eskoelmwood5936]

interesting observation?

[@FeWolf]

@@eskoelmwood5936 I never bring mine into a debate.

[@OneFabFisher]

Dr. Brown & Dr. White give solid truth from scripture. They knocked the ball out of the park!

[@Christian.5]

When an Arminian and a Calvinist agree on one thing, you better believe they are right!

[@daniilsamoylenko9695]

Should we continue to live in sin so grace can abound even more? I commend Dr brown and Mr white for their patience and love. But I cannot believe that this is what is being debated.

[@TitusJudah]

Debates like this area absolutely needed in today's day and age. There are millions of LGBTQ folks around the world that are being deceived. Debates such as this are hopeful to that community. Hopefully God will open their eyes to the truth and the Holy Spirit will start his gentle work in their lives.

[@Geoffroxx]

It is our job to love, But real LOVE ALWAYS INCLUDES the TRUTH. NOT affirming someone's sin because You don't to offend that person, or lose their friendship, LOVE MANDATES telling the TRUTH.

[@martin22336]

Dr Brown sir you should of been hard on them you could of said god doesn't contradict himself he can't lie he can't promise something and not full fill it's clear as day if they don't not have a strong convection from the lord then they are lost that goes for me and for everyone. 1 john 2:19 is clear it said they went out from us but they were not of us. Simple if they break bread in their own assembly and the assembly knows about her life style then they are all under judgment maybe god wants them to repent if they don't then they will have a rude awaking

[@davismwaniki9899]

How do you say God called you to be a pastor when the Bible clearly doesn't permit women to be pastors??

[@paulajames6149]

This debate was clearly unmatched. I regret watching it even due to the length and because it was not much of a debate. I did very much enjoyed watching Dr Brown and Dr White make their arguments. They were exceptional. The affirming side had very little to say biblically. Their full argument and theology is “love”, “love God and love people.” One apologist says that God is love but progressives believe love is God which is not the same. There is a whole Bible left to learn, understand, and obey. My heart goes out to both Ruth and Duane.

[@patrickgobaaz]

I feel the same way. It pains me to even know that there people who called themselves preachers, defending sins.

[@PreacherJimC]

I really do feel for the affirmative side. Having to debate two Biblical Scholars on a theological topic. They did say that they have never debated and it shows. One of the things that kept coming up in my mind is the "Rev." Ruth. Women scripturally can not be pastors. This shows a disregard for historical hermeneutical understanding. It confirms the compromise of the topic of debate.

[@loveableurbanlemur]

at 43:40 (or so) the pastor tells the audience that God put that in "your" Bible. huh? we don't have separate Bibles for one group and one for another. the Bible is for "all" people to read, to consider and to teach "everyone" the truth about who He is and what His tenets are to be upheld in this life.

[@countryhome7668]

Naomi was Ruth's mother in law. Ruth was married to Naomi's son.

[@natashadavis2959]

And that sort of relationship would not only be homosexual, but also insestual. 🙄

[@countryhome7668]

It is Jewish custom that the first born after a widow marries another of the clan is given to honor the dead husband so his legacy goes on. That is why Ruth and Boaz gave their first born child to Naomi so she can raise the child for her son, Ruth's first husband.

[@countryhome7668]

Nothing is wrong with a daughter in law to take care of her widowed Mother in law. Any one who values family and gets along with their in laws will do this. These are values that are slowly dying out.

[@natashadavis2959]

@@countryhome7668 I was talking about the woman's interpretation. Not my own.

[@natashadavis2959]

@@countryhome7668 Because these values are dying out, people can only see sex as being why you would care about another person. I've had to rediscover some of our lost values myself in adulthood, because they were not taught to me growing up. Our culture is headed towards collapse.

[@leearmour4267]

So do we see that Romans is the truth when it says that God will give them over to a reprobated mind, which means the inability to discern right from wrong...This is so evident during the question and answer portion of the debate...It was so obvious that the gay affirming side lacked moral sense and rationale by their own words...

[@askbrettmanning]

zempath the text is obvious in its meaning. You have to do a lot of antics to prove the opposite.

[@BATTY3459]

Pastor Robinson is embarrassing himself. He doesn't have to have the same level of education as everyone else, but at least know what you're talking about. Yikes!

[@servantofjesus9642]

So because I prayed for God to take away my homosexual feelings and it didn't go away, then I should just live with it and assume God accepted that to be good? Really? That could be applied to pedophilia or pornography, so let's just create a church for mastubators and pedophiles to show that God loves them then, cuz many of them didn't choose it either. This is ridiculous!

[@shayla4094]

I loved this video! So desperately needed in this time🙌

[@justinxmusic1]

To clarify during the last cross examination from the affirmative side about Jesus and Paul's words, everything Paul taught was direct revelation from Jesus Himself. Galatians 1:12. So even despite his words being Holy Spirit inspired, they were also technically Jesus's words, except for the 2 or 3 times Paul said he speaks of himself, not a command of the Lord.

[@mosog8829]

It's amazing how people can debate an issue that is so obviously wrong in the Bible. It goes on to show how people want the word of God to conform to their desires or feelings.

[@TheNewports]

Has anyone heard more for Duane? I am hopeful and prayerful that Dr Brown's questions about incest made him really study God's Word and God opens his eyes.

[@BOASTinTheLORD]

I couple minutes in to the very first opener... SMH SMH SMH. Never used the word "Obediance"? Yikes. Wonderful, exepliary job done by Dr. Brown and Dr. White. Hallelujah!

[@kasin360]

The tough debate...change is not easy..I not gay but i see my weaknesses clinging to me cause of my own stubbornness...now to accept my weakness and believe they are my strengths would be delusional

[@adammooney3158]

Well said .

[@tatsutagawa2998]

Did the first speaker really say: "I know I'm a sinner and praise God for that, because that's why Jesus died on the cross for me"? Appalling, literally.

[@StraitGateApologetics]

It's Good to see the truth being taught. God bless to The Line of Fire

[@michaeltillery2097]

I agree, but also in a way I can relate to the lgbtq , I have always struggled with addiction like really bad, and Iv fallen back after being delivered in a miraculous way , but I eventually fell back , what I’ve learned is they are kinda both right , you don’t agree with the sin but first step is admitt it to God but honestly, on your knees crying, I now see that I need to learn but on my time or Gods time for each of us , some people change completely right away but some backslide and I feel those are the ones who really understand Gods love and Jesus Christ saving power, he can change us

[@williamdavis4017]

The LGBTQ debaters call Jesus their Lord and Savior, but to call Him Lord is to truly submit to His Authority. Jesus has not only been with the Father since eternity past but is also equal to and has always been in perfect agreement and unity with the Father. Thus, since the Father has spoken against homosexuality as an act of sin, and since the prophets and Apostles are God's messengers who are not bringing their own word but the Word of God through His direct voice and through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, operating in Godly Authority, being Commissioned by Jesus Christ, then Jesus has spoken very plainly on this when this is read and understood in its full and proper context. For Jesus to be your Lord and Savior, you first have to repent and put your trust in Him, following and obeying Him. If there is not full submission to His perfect Way, living a life of daily repentance and warring against your flesh, then there is no Messianic Lordship. That doesn't mean you'll be sinless, but it does mean you'll fight against it and not swim in sin, though you may fall in a proverbial puddle at times as you struggle in the Spirit to overcome the things your flesh wars for. If Jesus is not your Lord then He's not your Savior either. You can't defiantly choose to do whatever you want, regardless of God's instruction, command and demand, and yet count yourself amongst God's Number, nor would you want to, if you are truly in Him. His desires will become your desires; the closer you get to the LORD, and the more beautiful He becomes to you, the less you'll want to do that which is displeasing to Him. The glory of the LORD will steadily become more glorious than your most tempting of temptations to the point that they are less and less tempting because you have something much better in Christ and because it pleases you to please Him. Christ is also the originator of the OT...not just the NT. In fact, Jesus said that all of Scripture points to Him, and the death and resurrection of Christ is the story of the entire OT, displayed through so many types and shadows, it's deafening. This is willful rejection of the Word of God and actually fulfills the prophecies of Romans 1 and Jeremiah 17:9. Feelings can be misleading, deceitful and wrong. What matters is what's TRUE. JESUS is The Truth, and He speaks loudly throughout all of Scripture. Please don't ignore His voice. Hear Him and obey...even when it hurts. Judgement hurts much worse.

[@lisapiccirilli4908]

The point is... Jesus sacrificed. They don't want to give up their lifestyles.(sin). Meaning, sacrifice their lusts for the same sex.

[@GTMGunTotinMinnesotan]

Wow Deweyne's argument was so bad. He came totally unprepared.

[@ndjibukabengele973]

It's not a matter of being prepared but just the fact that it's impossible to justify homosexuality with the Bible. Even the so called reverend Ruth seemed to not know how to answer some questions because the Bible interprets itself.

[@jotaone]

It is heartwarming to see Brown and White on the same team, despite their differences in Soteriology and Cessationism.

[@OneFabFisher]

At the 155 mark.. That's what I've been saying all along, Ruth! It is The Holy Spirit of God that will convict you (not condemn) of living a life that is contrary to how you were designed. We can receive Jesus while practicing homosexuality but we will not practice homosexuality for very long once we have been born again because The Holy Spirit WILL (not if) begin a work in us that leads us away from homosexuality. Our very own bodies testify against us when we act contrary to their design and the Holy Spirit absolutely causes us to eventually be convicted for homosexuality on a spiritual level. That is two witnesses, Ruth, and therefore it is established. That's why when you tried to pin down dr. Brown with your "the Holy Spirit told me".. "you cant tell me God didn't tell me this", Doctor Brown very gracefully and gently let you expose yourself as not having the Holy Spirit of God within you. How did he do that? By merely stating that the Holy Spirit does not contradict the truth of scripture. It is love to speak the truth in a loving kind way and that's exactly what dr. Brown did for you. Love does not mean to allow. Love requires a scalpel not a machete. Dr. Brown and dr. White, you both did a tremendous job. I am going to eventually talk about this debate. May you live a long life.

[@PochoRepublic]

This pro gay minister has more questions than answers.

[@MichaelParsons-h3r]

Thank you so much Dr. Brown, for standing up for BIBLICAL TRUTH!!

[@Yoyohunger4Truth]

Ruth and Dwayne have been living this way for so long they just can't phantom,that God Almighty would say their wrong. (The very Word) because they're Pastors and preach the Word and they do not rightly divide the Word, they live by their feelings.The love that they speak of is Perverted Love. I pray that the Holy Spirit has convicted them and they have chose repentance.

[@Otic1913]

It's painful watching how Satan has blinded their hearts and minds. 😥 they even cried knowing they're wrong, but Satan keeps whispering in their ears.

[@richardhowell63]

The Lord gives us the power to resist the devil--rebuke him and he must go-resist and he will flee--not saying he won;t come back-but-just keep resisting and rebuking all in Jesus name!! Praise the Lord for Loving us!!

[@Topg1]

We must pray for them. God opens their eyes. But, God is still saving and settling people free. Look up Jackie Hill Perry, Change, etc.

[@Godswill247always]

May God give them the grace to resist and reject the devil and it's tactics

[@RabidPenguin]

I find it strange that they know nothing about the theology of things, they go only by feels. They can't argue the Bible at all, but they want to argue something they've only studied by ignoring everything that doesn't work for their argument. The scariest part for me of the two people on the right is that the scripture says "Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment" James 3:1. These folks are the blind leading the blind and keeping them blind. The lady even alluded to the universalist idea that any religion is a way to God. These guys simply are way out of their depth. Not because they aren't debaters, but because they don't really know the Word. He can memorize all He wants, but clearly he is following the gospel of feelings not Christ.

[@deveje1deveje141]

Dr White and Dr Brown are two angels send by God to preach at those two people who are lost in their sins...

[@junglequeen7386]

God loves all people because he created us.. He loves us so much that he tells us what is condemned in his holy presence. Giving us all a chance to live for eternal in his kingdom. The only marriage God expects from us is one with him. That way when the time comes, we wont miss our bride. God Bless!

[@Godswill247always]

Galatians 2:21 KJV I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

[@joegeorge9869]

I wouldn’t want to defend the proposition “The sky is blue” against Drs. White and Brown. Trying to argue a clear heresy? Fuggetaboutit!

[@skaterman8180]

That womens logic, "Because they sinned in the bible and God used it for the good, I can sin". Not how that works. Repent and give up your sin.

[@nelsonterk]

Lgbt speaker talk about their feelings. I know, I feel and just simply do not believe in the bible but myself. If God constantly talk to you and ask you to continue to sin. You need to know if the voice is from the devil not God.

[@weldapurba6044]

agreeee....the voice of God is to repent ...i will be careful if people hear God voice that can be demonic.....if u want to hear God....read the bible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@ennisel]

2:11:26 - vice lists omitted in favour of what's deemed to be the epitomal target of falling short of the Torah standard... #qotd; were called to just walk in holiness, regardless of feelings and emotions with the Word which is spirit as our guide. 2:28:20 -doing good isn't h0mos3xuality and that shouldn't be conflated in the context of marriage. 2:30:17- what's the M & A word he couldn't say? 2:33:00 2:38:00 2:43:00 - what's a toaster oven?

[@Geoffroxx]

It's odd that Ruth doesn't see that Ruth was Naomi's Daughter in law, at least prior to Naomi's Son's death, and after Ruth became a widow, being good friends Naomi and Ruth looked out for each other, and simply went where God led them. Who said Naomi and Ruth were Lesbians? Certainly NOT God.

[@Globeguy1337]

I am impressed (and a bit saddened) by the affirmative’s capacity to keep arguing without thoughts or arguments and while repeatedly contradicting themselves, and I am even more impressed with the negative’s patience through it.

[@darmimessakh5071]

Pastor Brown... GOD BE WITH YOU

[@cmach9754]

I pray for Dwayne and Ruth to see the Truth in the Scripture and to change their minds (repent) and to give them the strength to obey what Truth says. I am sure it would be very hard for Ruth, if she decides to follow the Truth and not just her feelings, to separate from her partner of 30 years, but with God all things are possible. It is only grievous for the moment, but joy comes after.

[@richardthedrummer100]

I agree with this prayer. My heart truly breaks for them. 'Lord, give them the courage to surrender all to You. '

[@williamdavis4017]

Jesus is God. He was in the beginning and before it. He created and sustains all things by His power. Because Jesus is the I AM, when God the Father said same sex relationships were wrong in the OT, so did Jesus - God the Son. The Son and the Father are ONE. Read Isaiah 9:6, John 1:1-14, John 8, John 10:30, and John 17. He doesn't have to say it again in the NT...but still, it's reiterated in the NT. The LORD is very clear and emphatic in His records. Since God said homosexuality is wrong and we know that Jesus is God then we know Jesus has answered this.

[@monr457]

Clearly the 2 bi’s most of the times go out of words. Cant even answer the argument directly. Always trying to fit their sexual perspective against the bible not the biblical way of biblical perspective against sexuality

[@thejohnmarkproject]

Straight Guy: "Does Jesus condemn incest?" Gay Guy: "No, but Paul does." Straight Guy: "Okay, Paul also condemns homosexuality." Gay Guy: "But Paul, is imperfect, so what he says doesn't really matter. Jesus didn't say anything about it." Straight Guy: "So if Paul is imperfect, by your logic, then we can't rely on anything he says. And since Jesus never spoke about incest then it must be okay." Gay Guy: "So you're saying incest is okay?" What???? The mental gymnastics of these people.

[@sorrowinchrist3387]

1:43:40 what Dr Brown and White has said is very important, So is the Word of God imperfect - if Paul words cannot be trusted? The LGBTQ team did not finished the answer. If you discount Paul words do you discount God authority of scripture???

[@LindaIBrown]

Questions? If homosexuality and all in the various same sex relationships, then why did God allow Noah to build an ark and destroy the earth by flood? Can you please explain this for those in this lifestyle? Do you know the depth of the reason for God destroying the earth full of sin? How far back have the pastors in this lifestyle studied the scriptures beyond just what is printed in the Bible? What legacy will you leave once you die because you can’t be fruitful or multiply or replenish the earth?

[@eskoelmwood5936]

Do you understand how the ultraviolet spectrum works?

[@thetraveler7368]

I wonder if Ruth believes it’s possible for Satan to twist conviction into Condemnation. Maybe God has tried to convict her of her Sins regarding her Homosexuality but she rejects it because it’s been twisted into condemnation.

[@rlh125]

Great debate. Only one side of the debate really sought to present the actual teaching of the Bible. The other side had to stretttttch and twiiist things in order to avoid what the Bible says about homosexuality. The idea that the book of Ruth is an explicit endorsement of lesbianism is frankly absurd. It is someone’s desperate attempt to find something and, when it isn’t there, simply declaring that it is. And the assertion that we must only use lexicons that are a hundred years old (as if we haven’t learned anything about Koine Greek in the last century) is also a terrible position to take. It comes down to this: The Bible condemns homosexuality over and over and it never once endorses it. Not one time. Having said all that, I genuinely appreciated the politeness of both sides.