Debunking Conquest - History Channel (Peter Woodward)

[@isaweesaw]

Metatron, that intro is actually a work of art :o

[@metatronyt]

+Callum Bundy ahah thank you :)

[@frankg2790]

+Metatron Conquest's historical inaccuracies are the result of lazy writing and strict deadlines.

[@ugurugutugu]

+Callum Bundy A worth of copyright strike :D

[@frankg2790]

ugurugutugu KZbin has bigger fish to fry than someone who used a reedit of the Matrix.

[@ugurugutugu]

+Frank G one day he will be big enought. and you know the rules. third time is the charm

[@HoundXXII]

I can imagine in the future, they'll be doing the same thing, shooting plate carriers that don't have the ceramic in them and calling those "bullet proof vests" haha

[@livingbiovirus]

That shit would be funny as hell.

[@arx3516]

but excellent for eating lasagna.

[@jacklorenzo6833]

is Metatron mad at the entire team or only the bald guy

[@corwintipper7317]

Jack Lorenzo at the beginning of the video he says "this is a rant against the company

[@jacklorenzo6833]

I fucking hate Metatron, like how dare he oppsoses the Katana

[@Erik-vp5bm]

Your crusade against bullshit trivia is just and right, you do not need to apologize so much.

[@metatronyt]

I'm glad you feel that way pal :) thanks for watching and supporting

[@Erik-vp5bm]

These are a very refreshing breath in an ocean of youtube vids full of inaccuracies and unresearched myths. Keep up the good job, dude, this stuff is great. Subscribed! :)

[@Oxhead]

+Metatron please continue the debunking series

[@bbsonjohn]

last time Metatron got bashed by a war veteran about being disrespectful. He has to clarify and apologize in order not to offend anyone lol

[@Erik-vp5bm]

bbsonjohn Hahah, okay, that explains it.

[@paununs8719]

That intro with the Matrix was flawless, well done!

[@metatronyt]

+Pau Nuns ahah thank you it made me laugh quite a bit too xD

[@shadiversity]

Another great video my friend! I've watched all the conquest videos and luckily I've been educated enough to have known what was bull crap and what wasn't. I think the first one I watched was on the one handed sword and right out of the gate he starts calling spathas (viking swords) and arming swords, broad swords. That gave me a good warning that this show wasn't going to be too accurate. I loved what you said on mail and I agree completely. One of the big issues with the conquest example (and SO many other mail tests) is that they are testing against butted mail, which is absolute crap. Proper historical mail (riveted mail) is phenomenally strong. It's funny, my own video one debunking myths about mail kzbin.info/www/bejne/jKWthGSDr858b5o also uses conquest as an example of horrible misinformation on mail. We think alike my friend ^_^

[@metatronyt]

+I am Shad Hey Shad thank you very much for watching :D we do think alike don't we? :3 Anyhow I really need to give a shout to your channel, I have been wanting to do it for a while but I always forget, I will mention you in one of my next videos! :D I'll try to do it in one of the videos I think will get more views, you desearve it ^^

[@shadiversity]

+Metatron Thanks mate, I'm truly honored. I'll soon be doing a video where I recommend other channels and you're channel was most certainly already on the list ^_^ So yes I'll indeed be giving you a shout out too. Good luck going forward my friend.

[@breaden4381]

+I am Shad This really shows you how cheap they are, riveted chain mail coif isn't that expensive and it's all you really need for testing.

[@breaden4381]

+I am Shad Also those shields.

[@nathanapplegate5374]

To my understanding, butted mail is historical but rarely used. Very few people wore it.

[@MettheSlayer]

Everyone knows people only wore mail armor because they looked cool in it :P

[@martismartiis813]

strangling isn't always fatal

[@OutlawPrince45]

martis martiis I agree! A dagger in the gullet is much better!

[@bennetrussell3567]

Ya that's the thing they always get wrong, chain mail is almost useless without proper gambeson or coif underneath

[@kynaston1474]

I've shot bows for years. I can draw up into the warbow weights 120-130. It's not just the added power but the fact that you can use heavier grain arrows at those weights too. I always want to scream when I see these videos with the people using light arrows, from weak bows against costume armor. I had a friend that used to make chain mail and some of the stronger weaves I seriously doubt anything I've shot to date would penetrate so long as they weren't a split ring or some sort of inferior metal. I'm glad to see someone debunking these things.

[@7dayspking]

A long enough self-bow (or recurve.) in the 90+ lb range shooting a durable enough arrowhead (the arrowhead is very important.) will penetrate even good mail armour from close range (less than 20-15 feet.)

[@kynaston1474]

7dayspking Not some of that stuff chief. I hunt russian boar, I've seen boar hide alone stop 90 lb bows dead in their tracks with arrowheads designed to penetrate. Never you mind shot bows that would pass right through their shield. A shield thick enough to stop .30 caliber bullets, hard enough that you could hammer nails with it. I know about what it takes for penetration and some of that stuff he used to weave would have stopped just about anything in the arrow department cold. Even heavy 700+ grain arrows with a bodkin tip being shot from a heavy warbow just wouldn't have stood a chance. Granted that probably wasn't what everybody was wearing back then, but I'm sure some were. My point here is that it never really ends with chain mail. I mean by all rights you could weave chain mail thick enough to stop a .50 BMG, you couldn't walk in it probably, but it could be done.

[@7dayspking]

Adam Bodford As I stated the length of the bow matters as well, the weight of the arrow and especially the composition of the arrow (softer arrows don't penetrate near as well.) Also from what range were these boars shot, did the shot land cleanly?? Etc.etc. I was referring to historical sets that were tested at royal armouries...they got different results with different weaves with some stopping only just above 80 and some up to 110lbs.

[@spectre9065]

Not necessarily. Penetrating maille armor is more than possible with slings and arrows. A hand held crossbow is enough to punch through chain mail + gambeson.

[@7dayspking]

Spectre " Not necessarily. Penetrating maille armor is more than possible with slings and arrows." - Video of a sling penetrating historical mail armour please.

[@doggonemess1]

For the love of crap, he's got an axe used to cut WOOD. They couldn't find a war axe along with all that other stuff?

[@jan23523]

too expensive

[@TheScarletLust]

Probably didn't cut through the costume mail so they used the spliter.

[@tsev3362]

As if that's the only thing wrong with this video...

[@bennetrussell3567]

@@troublesome9654 but weren't wood axes different shapes back then, correct me if I'm wrong

[@baldrickthedungspreader3107]

Jan Ritter thing is they should have more than enough budget to get it right considering that guys on KZbin like skall and thrand have a lot less money than a big media machine behind the history channel, yet they get the right weapons, right armour, use ballistic jel as a realistic stand in for human flesh to record the effects of the weapon on the human body as well as having it set up in a way that there is some give as there would be on a real person and not just a solid unmoving target, mail would no doubt get penetrated, more than the whores of the local brothel if set up on a solid pole, the history channel has no excuse for the complete bullshit they pump out

[@JimGiant]

I just bought some chain mail, hopefully nobody hits me with a lamp while I'm wearing it.

[@romans883]

Sounds like it's butted rofl

[@TehArmoredButcher]

i think that intro was the best minute of my life

[@metatronyt]

ahah :3

[@TehArmoredButcher]

simple but hilarious!

[@metatronyt]

TehArmoredButcher I'm glad you liked it, when I came up with the idea I was like "omg they are so gonna like this one xD"

[@SonsOfLorgar]

Love the inclusion of Enclave Power armour from Fallout 3 in the intro XD

[@jacklorenzo6833]

is Metatron mad at the entire team or only the bald guy

[@miskatonic_alumni]

Best. Intro. Ever.

[@Kriegerdammerung]

+Captain Rhodes This mate deserves as much likes as the video

[@Tymdek]

+Kriegerdammerung Yes

[@luissalazar3811]

Captain Rhodes XD

[@irishdc9523]

Captain Rhodes The Matrix or the kitten? Or both?

[@Thrand11]

This is Thrand! Great job loved your video! Our channel started arguing with Deadliest Warrior when it first aired :D

[@Thrand11]

+DESTROYERofWORLDS why yes it is! We plan on doing a cross over with Met soon if all works out :D

[@RaumDeutschland]

Oh my lord that intro was the best thing I've ever seen, well done!

[@metatronyt]

+Siegfried von Haus ahahaha thank you :D I love the reaction from Neo ahaha I was laughing my head off while making it xD

[@RaumDeutschland]

Metatron Neo looking at the Orc armor and saying that's not real killed me

[@metatronyt]

Siegfried von Haus ahahahahhaahah xD

[@JustGrowingUp84]

Oh man, YES! Those videos are so annoying! Also, the editing was hilarious, brilliant job mate!

[@Mishima9k]

TheFilthyCasual the intro

[@akumabito2008]

Low quality butted maille.. hah, you could probably rip that stuff apart if you really tried..

[@elgostine]

+akumabito2008 funny you should say that i actually did it somewhat

[@Thulgore]

+elgostine I doubt they were using anything other then aluminum. I mean that completely.Butted steel won't even do that, so far as I have seen. (unless everyone was really small and they were using 18g wire for the rings......and then only maybe)

[@psykopanda11]

+akumabito2008 butted mail was actualy used in the past, because not everyone could aford the best.. but the mail used in the video is probably aluminum, not steel!

[@elgostine]

nope... see the thing is that drawing wire was the most time consuming part of the entire process of making maille and requirred decent quality materials with low slag, they didnt have mass produced sopools of wire by the ton of high quality steel.... mnaking butted maille would have been just as time consuming (well, almost as much) as riveted, while doing close to jack nothing it wouldnt be worth the expense...

[@geade6329]

+akumabito2008 im almost sure u can put a hole in that mail with a fork.

[@danielthompson6207]

Wait a minute, you mean the single bit Michigan ax was the preferred fighting ax of the warriors of ancient Northern Europe?!?!? I've been using mine incorrectly then as I've only ever used it for woodcutting, and to think I could have been out slaying mail-clad raiders this whole time...I'm outraged! Lmao another great video my friend, I loved the intro especially

[@a1a63]

+Brian Hensley That's because as the video showed, mail doesn't work... And trees suck at not getting hit.

[@danielthompson6207]

+Brian Hensley They're too stubborn and rigid for martial arts, I have had a similar lack of success in teaching Judo to the trees around here

[@a1a63]

Trees are jerks!

[@ahel4523]

I like the debunking vids but I'd like to see an actual stress test of medieval mail.

[@metatronyt]

+a hel If I had the budget I would do it myself, buying riveted mail armour and attacking it with proper weapons, but I have to wait for my channel to get bigger and provide the money to do that ^^

[@BffWithDEATH]

+Metatron That day will be quite excellent!

[@Observer29830]

+Metatron Well there are a few already in the internet. For instance, here is riveted chainmail against the all-powerful katana: /watch?v=RFu11mSutd0

[@henrik1806]

+Observer29830 Why the hell would you hit chainmail with a slash? that wouldn't pierce no matter what sword was used.

[@Morslyte]

Observer29830 I sense weeaboo tears after that video hahaahhaa.

[@curtismantle]

These debunking videos are absolute genius - I've laughed out loud so many times. "Mail armour had its uses - what slowing you down on the battlefield?" just superb stuff. Please do more. I'm so glad to have found your channel.

[@SmokeRingsPipeDreams]

Real mail armor is also "forged" which will make the metal much stronger than the rings that we see use on these shows.

[@RumchugMusic]

It was no match for the katana.

[@Tymdek]

+Rumchug A Katana is just a sword. And no sword can cut through metal armour. One may damage or break the rings of a piece of mail armour by hitting it really hard with a sword, but it would not cut through the rings. Don't behave like the Katana is magical and the best thing that has ever existed, because it isn't. There is no such thing as "the perfect sword". So please - next time you say something about the Katana (or basically any other thing) in public, make sure you inform yourself about the topic before so you don't spread misinformation. In case your comment was meant in a sarcastic way, I haven't said anything :D

[@RumchugMusic]

Tymdek The katana can cut through any armor.

[@Tymdek]

+Rumchug Who told you that? (I'm really starting to believe you're being sarcastic..)

[@miskatonic_alumni]

+Rumchug Post a video of yourself cutting through properly forged steel plate with a katana.

[@alexandrosgrivas4406]

THE START WAS SO FUCKING AMAZING and the whole video was very good

[@metatronyt]

+Alexandros grivas Thank you !

[@alexandrosgrivas4406]

+Metatron btw a lot of people dont know how armors and weapons worked and just take what hollywood and tv gives them as information i see a lot of people saying ''i saw a documentary which said about this sword cutting better than that or armor was to look good not protect'' ty for your debunking

[@ika.Sensei]

The Used to Be About History Channel

[@hansvonmannschaft9062]

For some reason I hit your debunking videos in their chronological order of making. Which, without a doubt, made the whole experience even better. I'm still in stitches from the very first one and can't stop watching them haha thanks a ton for your effort in making these videos!

[@PhilWithCoffee]

I can empathize with metatron, these types of shows make me mad because it's incredibly disrespectful to the craftsmen who created the armour, and the producers are having them destroy crap costume armour and then saying 'Yup, that about settles it'. The ignorance, is just....gah

[@jliller]

If they had any self-awareness they would have stuffed some straw under the armor.

[@TheWicked28]

I think you doing great job. This is not ironic. It is good to see that someone fights with mistifications especialy in internet. Pls more debunked videos.

[@ikoikoni]

i was drinking yogurt while watching your videos, it got messy, lesson learned never drink while watching a Metatron Debunking video

[@metatronyt]

ahahah :3

[@tetsunoomo3781]

Not to sound like a smart ass, but how do you drink yogurt?

[@danialzaman1438]

@@tetsunoomo3781 you hold the cup at an angle and let gravity do the rest.

[@mrmoth26]

@@tetsunoomo3781 one of these drinking yoghurts

[@notsae66]

You're doing a good thing here. Until I got older and started looking into videos like these, I was genuinly under the impression that armour was more or less decorative, that swords could slash through plate, that mail did nothing. Thanks to people like you, Shad, and Skallagrim, I've learned the much more interesting and logical truth. Fighting misinformation is a worthy cause and I wish you luck.

[@CIA-M]

that matrix scene was hilarious! xD

[@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319]

This kind of reminds me of this BBC production I saw way back where they "tested" Bronze Age armour by having two of the most out of shape, flabby college kids they could borrow sprint in the Dendra suits. You can already imagine where this nonsense is going. And then jumped to the conclusion that the armour could not have been used in combat. Gee maybe if they got actual physically strong individuals, like a Royal Marine or a regular Army lad, they would have found a different result.

[@Captain__Harlock]

Oh wow. Never saw that show, don't have History International, but glad I saw this before I came across it. Loving your videos.

[@Fedorchik1536]

really liked part from that video when they were counting weight of 'knight' s' equipment, adding 15lb for sword and shield each btw, great vid. :)

[@andrew_owens7680]

Excellent video. There should be a lot more like this not only by you but by others. People do get their information from TV shows and it is a disservice to the public to give them wrong information.

[@frankg2790]

+Andrew_Owens Every TV show is at the mercy of the writers.

[@andrew_owens7680]

+Frank G And the quality of writing in a society with no standards gets worse and worse.

[@frankg2790]

Andrew_Owens Game of Thrones and Vikings are masterpieces.

[@canadianponies8787]

Eh! love these debunking videos, my Italian friend! keep them up!

[@sevenproxies4255]

I think you just unscrewed the pommel, threw it at the scriptwriters and and ended them rightly! :D

[@dcs3395]

Don't get it

[@BobofWOGGLE]

Dylan Schultz Skallagrim did a video where he covered an excerpt from a manual some time ago that humourously suggested that, in a duel, one should unscrew the pommel from their sword and throw it at the opponent to "end him rightly". This became a bit of a meme on his channel which then spread to the rest of the youtube HEMA community due to audience overlap and whatnot. TL;DR it's a gag from an old dueling treatise that got revived in meme format

[@dcs3395]

Bob Woggle I knew where it came from but never watched the video, not a fan of Skal tbh

[@falsebeliever8079]

I love your debunking videos, Metatron.

[@metatronyt]

+Ulf Ravndal Thank you :D

[@LavaDragonMus]

Galen? Galen the Technomage, is it you?

[@rogerlacaille3148]

Oh man I love your debunking videos...so good for a laugh 🤣

[@G-Mastah-Fash]

What the hell is this chainmail made of? Keyrings?

[@JaM-R2TR4]

butted mail.. very cheap, you can buy it at ebay from china or india as a prop.. not good for anything..

[@joshstarkey8883]

Keyrings would probably be stronger. This maile is called butted maile and is for appearances. Rather than forming a solid ring the wire is just bent so the ends touch (abutt.)

[@JaM-R2TR4]

i'd say this video is like using a plastic sword against a figurine and coming with a conclusion that medieval swords were completely useless...

[@__prometheus__]

Roland Deschain Paper clips

[@bryanw8044]

Awesome video thanks Metatron. I used to be one victim of this kind of shows =P It seemed like an eternity since your last video I hope you could keep uploading more often. My regards from Colombia.

[@NoBSSurvival]

This show is about as accurate as ancient aliens. It makes me want to scream. PS do you have facebook? I would love to chat.

[@metatronyt]

+Adrian's Survival Arms Armour and Zombies. I'll be giving it out on my next video :D ;)

[@biggiesmallsyalls7674]

+Adrian's Survival Arms Armour and Zombies. The early episodes of ancient aliens made very valid points

[@NoBSSurvival]

+Max Siemens See the Debunking of Ancient Aliens Documentary. Everything they said was Total BS.

[@CrowandTalbot]

These debunking videos, I didn't know just how badly I needed them in my life.

[@shaggyman5811]

+1 sub to support you dude. like your style & work.

[@metatronyt]

+Shaggy Man Thank you so much ^^

[@shaggyman5811]

+Metatron :) no worries.

[@sanakassara]

His work... he ripped a scene from a good movie and made it a part of extremely shitty KZbin video. Metatron... If heaven is real and it would hold archangels like him... hooray for hell!

[@shaggyman5811]

I suppose your channel is full of great content is it?

[@jimdigriz2923]

That show was dire, Peter Woodward must've been hard up and between jobs, loved his technomage in Babylon 5 Crusade and it was a nice little surprise when he popped up as the cop who put Nic Cage in the cell in National Treasure 2. Great Debunk video btw :) as others have said, that intro was a stroke of genius.

[@jakubhanak4223]

Destroy with a lamp :-D :-D :-D :-D That really got me on my knees :-D I think I will keep laughing for the rest of the week at that quote :-D

[@metatronyt]

+Jakub Hanák ahahah that was a good one ye xD

[@jakubhanak4223]

Metatron I was wondering, and realised that most of these crap tv popular history shows are American. If you compare it with good old Mike Loads for instance, this one wouldn´t be good enough for 5 year old children. And I don´t say good old Mike is always correct- it is still a tv showman but this video is sheerly ridiculous. I am also looking at that shield and tell me, is there any chance that hollywood would transfer their wonderful, heavy metal studded leather to heavy metal studded wooden shield ? I am planning to make a video about buttet mail vs riveted mail but I don´t have a camera or a riveted mail or any kind of equipment so this may take a while :-D BUT I am planning !!!! xD Because I´ve had enough of these ridiculous videos.

[@CmdrKeith303]

Thank you Metatron for these videos. When I watch the History Channel trying to explain ancient weapons and armor I end the show with blood shooting from my eyes do to the level of BS. You're videos tend to be way more thoroughly researched and enjoyable. Thank you for your hard work.

[@jan23523]

Loving it

[@metatronyt]

I'm glad you do ^^

[@jacklorenzo6833]

@Metatron are mad at the entire team or only the blad guy(the TV host)

[@Halfdanr_H]

Metatron @ 11:17 I've been viewing that Lorica Hamata in the small museum at Arbeia fort near where I live for longer than I can remember. The links are so compact that the museum have put a magnifying glass for us to be able to see the individual links in better detail. It really makes me think about the point you made about the difficulty of piercing such a shirt. Thanks for your videos and if you ever get the chance to visit the east of Hadrian's Wall then I recommend a visit. Arbeia has the only permanent stone-built granaries found in Britain to date and some wonderful things exhibited in the museum, as well as being free to go to. Salve :-)

[@shan9usfc]

Your pronunciations are arousing me :P

[@samacvuk]

great work with these debunking videos.

[@Vograx]

Nce video. I actually watched the video in question here before I saw this debunk, and I was of the same impression... why would anyone wear mail armor if it doesn't work against swords, axes, spears or maces... only thing left it would protect you against then would be a quarterstaff, which wasn't exactly a battlefield weapon... although, I'm pretty sure a quarterstaff would rip that chainmail they used as well. Sad really that so many videos exist with "tests" where they use entirely inappropriate armor, weapons or both. It really leads to misinformation regarding how they were used and made, and misconceptions about the strength and weaknesses of the armor and weapons.

[@mrkiky]

+Ghroznak Well, considering a quarterstaff is an impact weapon, the mail wouldn't do that much against it. Speaking of wooden poles, later in the show they show a knight in plate armor severing a spear shaft in one strike with a one handed sword. I'm sure that's also possible.

[@Vograx]

+mrkiky True that quarterstaff causes blunt trauma, but considering the padding commonly worn underneath the chainmail, and how proper chainmail would distribute the force of the impact, a quarterstaff would have limited effect when hitting protected parts. As for severing a spear shaft with a one handed sword with a single swing... uh... maybe, if it was a bamboo spear. A regular spearshaft is hardened wood, and fairly thick (depending on the type of spear and its purpose). A common spear is relatively thick as it is not really designed for throwing, but stabbing. A javelin is another story, but why would you use a javelin as a stabbing spear? Cutting through hardened wood is harder than you might think. You can split wood using an axe, but the wood is usually placed ontop of something (e.g. a stub, or similar) so it doesn't move out of the way, allowing the full force of the impact to hit the wood, causing it to split. Try splitting the same log if someone is holding the log (actually don't, might injure someone, this is to illustrate a point). You most likely won't be able to since you simply knock the log out of their hands. Same thing applies to a spear, held by a person. You try to hit it with your sword you simply knock it out of the way. You may inflict some cutting damage, and eventually break it... but cutting a spear, held by a person, in half with a single swing seems very unlikely.

[@mrkiky]

Ghroznak Well actually you can split free standing pieces of lumber with the "golf swing" technique. But splitting and cutting across the grain are very different. I would say you can safely take your brand new spear shaft in battle without having any worries of a knight cutting it off with a sword. I just wished he included that part in the video. Although if he included everything that was wrong with the show the video would be 3 hours long.

[@Catubrannos]

+Ghroznak A proper blow from a staff would end someone wearing mail. I've known people in plate get knocked around by staffs and not like the experience, mail and padding would help but against a decent blow your day is going to get ruined. Probably also depends on what you regard as a staff. A 2.5m staff that's 4-5cm thick will do more damage than an eastern martial arts type staff that's around 2m long and 3cm thick.

[@Catubrannos]

Hauke Holst if if if if if. It's highly unlikely. If you've ever chopped wood then you know how hard it is to chop across the grain and that's on a stationary piece of wood with a firm surface underneath. Chopping at a shaft will more likely push the weapon back than cut through it. It might work if the weapon has been caught so that it is firmly held at both ends, then you could use something like an axe to snap it. By catch I mean it has been caught on a shield for instance and someone has managed to grab the end of it or maybe it's wedged into a shield or even person.

[@ButterBallTheOpossum]

Its crazy that "Tod's workshop" a youtube channel thats produced independently by a single man with his own money can afford to do weapons tests with accurate mideavel armour and weapons but an enormous media company like history channel with access to millions of dollars can't do the same. There's literally no excuse.

[@RyanRyzzo]

That's why you wear a BDSM GIMP-SUIT! It protects you far better than this... mail... or post... or whatever it is. I mean mail is the stuff you receive in your mailbox!

[@kaaajeee]

I love your content. You are doing a great job. I just found about your channel few days ago and i am watching 10+ vids a day every day. You are an inspiration.

[@metatronyt]

Ahaha wow thank you that's a lot of watch time :)

[@hippyjoe]

I'm a little upset with this particular video. A Roman Shortsword (i.e. modern idea of gladius) can easily pierce chainmail with a thrust because it would impact only one chain so that it could not absorb the blow, and it would push all of the nearby rings away from it, ripping a hole. Also, if you were defeated by someone wearing mail armor, you wouldn't be able to get a pair because he would have... ended you rightly! Also, segmentata, not used? Humbug! They weren't used in late Rome, but were VERY popular during the Republican era. 200 BC-50 BC really.

[@metatronyt]

I doubt a Roman sword can pierce riveted mail, but even if it could (I would need to test it) it would not be easy for sure. It can easily penetrate butted mail, but not riveted mail which is 10 times stronger. I have never said segmentata wasn't used, I have said it wasn't as popular as hamata. Even you mention 200BC to 50BC (as far as I know it was popular in imperial era but I'll double check on that you might be right) but again, even according to your facts it's 150 years out of over a millennia of Roman history, where hamata was the dominant armour.

[@hippyjoe]

+Metatron The right sword with the right mail can pierce it like a knife through butter. Pay mind that chainmail in the ancient era was no where near as strong as it is today. But I still agree, chainmail is very strong, its just that the Romans prefered the superlative piercing power of gladii. I suppose I was being a little bit general considering how many different gladii and mail there are, but in terms of what they had in the Italic Peninsula was what I was refering to. Furthermore, the Segmentata was the armour of choice for Early Legionary Cohorts under the Marcius Reveloution. If you can dissprove me with imperical fact however, I won't pull the typical 5 year old youtube commenter route and I will change my belief. Anyways, I do want to say that I really enjoy your videos and I look forward to seeing more of you.

[@karinefonte516]

Not to mention there were different ways to weave chain mail, such as the persian chain mail, quite strong and intrincate. www.instructables.com/id/Really-Easy-Way-to-Start-and-Make-the-Full-Persian/ Try "chainmail different weaves" in Google to see how the one used by them is the cheapest and most simple, therefore the first choice for LARPers.

[@Beas7ie]

The gladius could easily pierce chainmail and pretty much any other armor for the time period because that was its specific purpose. Roman soldiers were trained to stab and thrust. A roman soldier fighting "correctly" did very little, if any slashing. The gladius is a stabbing weapon and it goes well with the formation in which the enemy was pretty much facing an armored and shielded stabbing machine. As for the segmentata, from what I heard it started gaining use at about maybe 25 to 50 AD and became official "standard issue" at about 100 AD and the most popular ancient representation of it was Trajan's Column. In the later period, when the barbarian tribes started gaining power and Rome was waning, the segmentata and gladius was replaced with Chainmail and the spatha.

[@kirotheavenger60]

chain mail could turn aside warbows. which have a smaller impact point and hit harder than you can stab. a gladius wouldn't break through proper mail, however butted mail like you see here, sure. stabbing was good for finding gaps in armour, and punching deep into the body beneath.

[@kp1flush]

Great video. Can't wait for more debunking.

[@lngvarck1970]

Haha I was watching quest just before. Still a great show for entertainment purposes. The techniques they show are some what accurate just the tests aren't. While I watch Conquest I always point out what is wrong. This is a great video Metatron keep up the great work.

[@DaddyKratosOfTheShire]

My brother the Matrix way you started was awesome and put together well. YOU AND YOUR TEAM SHOULD BE PROUD

[@dekkolegekko5038]

zombie go boom once tried piercing mail armor with an Ivan head wearing it they used a katana a good real sword and throwing knives and an axe and the only one that pierced the mail was the axe and only because the biggest and strongest used the axe and jumped then before landing swung the axe and only pierced it about 5 inches

[@WhistlePigZILLA]

I love these debunking videos. I'd love to do something similar, but I have so much left to learn before I'm ready to correct people.

[@MrBuns-yi2hk]

If mail armor was useless then why would people use it? Also what the fuck? The people just decided it had to be real because it looked like it? Even after they almost cut through it with 1 swipe of an axe?

[@aliamarneh9541]

+Katie Katie Under chainmail i think they work alot of layers of cloth to add extra protection.

[@mihaimal4802]

Finally!!! A debunking video for Conquest!!! I am so happy!!!

[@alexkairis3927]

It's a lot like the nature of ancient aliens... oh, btw, watch Chris White debunk the hell out of that. I mean.... THE HELL out of it.

[@m.rivers9201]

I love this guy! Great sense of humor!

[@thegreatlemmon7487]

kitty!!! in the begin

[@metatronyt]

+KnightShade Fox (Hero of the Furries) I love cats u.u :P

[@thegreatlemmon7487]

same also what type of chain mail did they use?!? was it made out of sliver color cornflakes?

[@metatronyt]

KnightShade Fox it's because it's galvanized, good against rust, but not good for tests xD

[@thegreatlemmon7487]

xD aaahhh... i was thinking it was paper clips

[@metatronyt]

+KnightShade Fox (Hero of the Furries) xD it probably has the same resistance xD Among other things I also own a galvanized mail armour set, but I don't do tests on it lol it's good for nice pictures xD

[@asgard119]

thank you, you made up my mind on what to watch after this video

[@chaosegg]

Around 5:00 you say "Why are these shows so popular?" My answer is not to that question, but to the question of "Why would they try to teach the public that armor is practically useless?" WARNING: incoming rant... TLDR = MEDIA BRAINWASHING WANTS YOU TO BE DEFENSELESS Because "they" do not want you to feel safe. Ever. Anywhere. They want you to be afraid to leave the protective bubble of your over-monitored, over-policed streets. "Why??" you might ask, the answer is simple; otherwise "they" (the system of police, globalization, interconnections, government & taxes), will be less relevant and less important. "They" want you to rely on "them" as much as possible. It's simple supply & demand economics- if you can control one or the other it is good, but control both and it is even better. Hence public schools and "History channels" controlling the demand (supply is already controlled in an obvious manner). "They" do not want you to be able to protect yourself, defend yourself, be self-sufficient, or have any real power because you might then form some kind of opposition group, you might not pay taxes, you might realize that you actually have no choice in your pseudo-democratic-society, and that contractual voluntary self-governance makes more sense; at least more than the existing slavery of money-printing fascist government fronts for the mega-rich who rule the world which we all live under currently. Look at people who might have rocked that boat and how they were quickly 'offed', I'd list them but then we would be even further into TLDR and dangerous key-word zones. /end Voluntaryism rant (since using the "a"-word no doubt makes alarms go off somewhere) Of course, it might just be that they're stupid, and that's why they made armor look useless. Maybe. Okay, most likely, but it was a good rant eh? xD

[@God_gundam36]

That was a tin foil hat level of looking far too deep into somthing

[@tyleri.4219]

The intro editing is amazing!!! XD

[@scottmcfall4561]

I hate these American shows. The adherence to nonsense and false education in that country makes me feel sick.

[@willdavis3802]

+Scott McFall British show, not american.

[@scottmcfall4561]

British presenter on an American show for an American network.

[@frankg2790]

+Scott McFall An American show that has lazy writers.

[@paulkielty8385]

+Metatron I have only recently discovered your channel, literally about two or three days ago and only two or three days before watching the Samurai vid you debunked. Thanks, I hope you continue as I am quite a fan of history but being a parent I get most of my info from documentaries etc, KZbin is a big place for documentaries and I am glad you are making it easier for me to find out which are a reliable source of information.

[@paulkielty8385]

@Metatron I also like the fact that you are not attacking anyone personally, more attempting to assure that people - like you say - that cannot find the time to read the books are not lead astray by misinformation.

[@Raven_Leblanc]

That "21, hit me" joke just cracked me up!!! XD

[@squashedeyeball]

Great video. I remember a show they did on the Hittites, claiming that they only had *ONE* city, their capital, Hatusa . Had to bang my head on a wall for an hour of so just to get out of the bs shock I was in. That is "History" in "History channel" :\

[@edi9892]

The intro on its own already deserves a like.

[@scsimcity]

Thank you so much. Those wrongful history channel program is often been shared in discussion in BBS; especially this one and the katana vs long sword one. Your video is vital and powerful to make the fact clear. I think you are one of best KZbinrs in this area.

[@daswordofgork9823]

Metatron, best beginning in a video ever! By the way, his show came out back when the history channel talked about history, and also stereotypes of the Medieval period were very, very, common. Also take into account that Peter Woodward is an actor and a playwright, not a historian. Once HEMAS and Martial Arts got involved in History and looked at the sources of actual sword play, Peter quit the History Channel and rejoined the Royal Shakespeare Company. You could give him a thumbs up for at least trying.

[@roy-julienanthony343]

Excellent as always! Love the intro about truth! :D

[@TheLordArion]

Thank you! I've been bugged by this video for a while. There's just so many things wrong in it that it's hard to know where to start. I was watching it with a friend and I pointed out some of the faults and my friend thought that I was talking constantly =P

[@homeautomationlab1533]

We need more of this. Please do more.

[@ThePurpleParadoxx]

Love the intro, good shit! :D

[@Kwolfx]

Great video. Peter Woodward, the guy who was the narrator / host of Conquest is an actor / stuntman. I've seen him in a couple of roles and IMO he's pretty good at his craft, which has very little if anything to do with medieval weapons. His father, Edward Woodward starred in the 80's TV series The Equalizer and in the classic 1973 horror movie The Wicker Man. Please debunk Gladiator, especially the Roman battle scene with the Germanic tribe. Unless the Roman army really could unleash napalm on its enemies, because in that case it's totally cool.

[@ismael7872]

Killer intro. Good job, love your videos

[@Theendman42]

These videos should continue it is so great!

[@rsacchi100]

Thank you for informing me. I enjoyed this video.

[@lino5167]

Great, great, great intro; great editing, great....well the video was just great. I'm starting to think that actually the reason I enjoy your humour this much is that we argentines are mostly third or fourth generation italians, so maybe we laugh at the same things? Anyway; grandissimo, Rafaello, grandissimo.

[@metatronyt]

+Javier Dibilio ahahahah grazie mille :D thank you so much I am glad you like it ahah ^^

[@almusquotch9872]

It's great how much more detailed and technical KZbin vids, on ancient weaponry, are compared to TV shows,

[@metatronyt]

+Almus Quotch The rise of the youtubers ;)

[@AbrahamLincoln4]

I just noticed that the host was the "Laughs in the British" guy XD

[@altfyren432]

I Thank you for these kind of videos. I for one is someone who belived in the video untill you show me the right way. Please make more!!! Ceep up the good work!

[@TheDestroyeah]

Thanks for the Debunked vids and this channel Metatron. )))))))))

[@jonathanjohansen4239]

i love u, make my day with these, continues laughter

[@PhilWithCoffee]

I wish there were more of these, very funny commentary

[@SC2Owl]

Were shields of this type (8:00) ever straped to the arm? It looks like a center grip shield to me...

[@tyosk]

Yup another great video. Academically mind provoking!

[@noobsmasher1371]

Please do more of these! I think they are great

[@nealsterling8151]

Thank you for making this Vid!

[@ughmas]

Hahaha that intro was hilarious. Great job

[@oliw4010]

the work you're doing clearing up BS on the internet is really good. keep up the good work

[@XellDincht]

the intro is an epic win. :D

[@wcfd312]

I would love to see you debunk Deadliest Warrior episodes. I myself found many incorrect assumptions in those shows.

[@Leafman0]

You said it Metatron. Also epic intro

[@neilwilson5785]

Good stuff, saw the original show, was probably fooled by it, so there you go! Thanks.

[@spanishinquisition7623]

Please continue this, you're too funny.

[@MsDjessa]

I liked this series when I knew very little about historical arms and armor but yeah these days it just feel silly. :'D And that ax hit on the "mail". I've seen a video where they tested a great Dane ax against riveted mail and it stood up against the strike. LOL I am going to have to watch more of your debunking videos, seem like fun. I especially laughed at the Matrix joke in the beginning.

[@metatronyt]

+MsDjessa ahahah I am glad you liked this video :D I will be making more, it's not the main theme in my channel but I have a dedicated playlist xD

[@MsDjessa]

Metatron I have really enjoyed Matt Easton and Skallagrim review movie stuff too. If you have any I'll be happy to watch.