DefTalk #39: Where WoW Went Wrong ft. Defcamp, Melderon, Megamanx4, and Blazzinbob

[@HamsterWheelGaming]

THEY'RE BACK

[@earlybirdrogue6392]

Awesome to see you guys again. Bob and Megaman are were great to hear from on this Deftalk.

[@phase2man]

glad to see def and mel talking about WoW

[@Exemplifiera]

Welcome back!

[@paulclarkson2583]

Touching on what you discussed about fresh players getting to 70, I recently started playing TBC on my warrior who was level 56. getting to 70 and getting dungeons hasn't been too bad, however I feel the panic of ok... I'm running out of time! to get to max level gear up and find people so I can at least experience the parts of the game that excite me. I am realistically going to have to play 6-7 days a weak for at least 6 hours after work to put even a slight dent in to this. not to mention having literally no gold at all considering I didn't do end game classic on this character. Not to take anything away from the game at all, I'm loving it and the difficulty is refreshing. Its just a Tad demanding rite now

[@Sirpesari]

Then again on the flipside there are people like me with 10x70 all of them in at least T4 level gear and many on T6 who are sort of running out of things to do.

[@megamanx627]

@@Sirpesari And see I'm at neither I was at the point where I was trying to get into a steady rate so again. It's a catch-22 Because as I said on the Podcast you can very easily burn out Which is why I quit.

[@paulclarkson2583]

If you have limited time then wow can be a great game for being able to do a few things well with the time given, for example once max level doing dailies some pvp and a bit of a raid a few days a week between work however, I can see why they implemented catch up mechanics more and more as the game progressed, it can get frustrating and a little overwhelming trying to get to end game and be raid ready for the current tier when the expansion is already in its later half of its schedule. Listening to @Megamanx4 talk about his views on why he felt certain things spoil the game was quite refreshing I feel that we have very similar views on subjects mentioned. The point made about addons really got me revved up! I cant agree more about what he said. Yes addons are in the game and they can make a UI look better and HELP you recognise certain mechanics and buffs/debuffs HOWEVER if a game is designed in a certain way Just as the WOW classic game was back in its day that people wanted back then Should its systems not also be respected and played as intended THEREFORE setting the designed difficulties and their parameters of clearing a particular raid. Addons ultimately make the game easier to play to then be followed up by the its to easy comments... the comments that are made following people making their own gameplay easier on purpose by having such addons. In final fantasy when you do a boss you literally have to open your eyes, look up at the posture of the boss and the direction of its particular pose to determine what mechanic comes next... not just wait for DBM and its bard to count down flash at you and prompt Reactive gameplay rather than Proactive gameplay sorry for the rant lmao

[@megamanx627]

@@paulclarkson2583 1st off your completely Fine trust me when I say I completely understand what you're saying. Secondly thank you I guess the point I was really trying to make if the argument we used How the original designers intended but why doesn't that apply to adons

[@video_ouija7114]

Enjoyed listening to this

[@noneofyourbusiness7609]

Defcamp is back baby!!! I wish I could watch your streams but the time difference rarely facilitates that :( TBH I've gone off WoW for a while, I'm actively enjoying Guild Wars 2 again - though I would not recommend it to endgame WoW players like you guys. I just feel that GW2 respects my time and my wallet way more than WoW. But of course that's purely subjective. That been said, I will regularly revisit WoW Classic or TBCC, simply to soak in the ambience of the old world, which I love to bits! And that music man... Perfection...

[@Quechua-Diablo]

"MELDERON, give me a sec, DAMN it" 😂😂

[@megamanx627]

I just want to say thank you again to death camp and Mel run and Bob for having me on. And I will say this After watching the video mother pearl I over Elaborate way too much. I just didn't want people think I'm not covering all the bases because I didn't want people to think I didn't have a single clue of what I was talking about. But again I just want to say thank you to death camp Melderon and Bob and say I had so much fun. And if they ever let me on again I would love to do it That end there were some points that I don't think I got through the right way. To the point where I might even make a KZbin video going over it doing a reaction to point out what I meant. Yes hearing myself talk bothered me that much

[@BrandtMurray]

I am the healer that went dps in TBC. And.... I miss healing.

[@megamanx627]

Well I mean to be fair dps and Tanking in tbc And doing it in wrath are 2 very different things.

[@kalogria13]

Whitekidney fresh vanilla coming btw. Going back home. would love to see again similar content with what you created like 3 years ago.

[@whoopsie321]

Parsing in tbc for me atleast has been a meme as an enhancement but i would say for a melee too especially dependent on the raid comp. I don't like how group/class dependent it is. If you're a lock or hunter you guaranteed get the big dick group usually. Im still having fun tho and when i Get the right group its been fun. Basically i stopped caring about my parses half way through p2

[@Frik0z]

Defcamp! Where ART THOU? Coming back for wrath ooor?

[@tonyz7690]

Good to see you back, Megaman guy talks too much lol

[@megamanx627]

To be fair I really wasn't trying to I was just trying to make my points The other half of that I was trying to overthink things because I didn't because I didn't want to make my explanation so simple people would have. Try to make fun of my arguments and say I don't have a single clue what I'm talking about and I have no right to say heaven forbid anything somewhat negative about the game.

[@peter486]

tbc is not classic.. or vanilla :)

[@silvestre93ify]

Pandas what went wrong it’s clear

[@e309]

Lex hangs with Alex Jones lol Check out the podcast called “knowledge fight”

[@jared8422]

Lfg!

[@hvdiv17]

where wow went wrong?....m+ and esports those truly killed world of warcraft. i enjoyed ever wowe xpansion up to m+ launch in legion then the run sells came back and made wow a worse game.

[@McPeror]

Expect there is ton of boosting and run selling in classic and there is nothing esporty about it, so your whole argument doesn't stand

[@hvdiv17]

@@McPeror and they killed all that boosting and run selling in wrath with lfg and it didnt come back until legion m+ wrath throguh legion m+ launch was the best time to be playing wow and i enjoyed every expansion in between. so my point stands.

[@McPeror]

@Beaverish Buck Teeth wrong @ buddy