New Deleted Scene Reveals What David Did To Shaw and Will Do To Daniels

[@chihanlee512]

The reason is simple. She did not sign the contract for the 2nd movie

[@KermitHitler]

She should be very happy she didn't, Covenant is one of the worst movies ever made

[@chrismilton3240]

@@KermitHitler that's a bit of a stretch friendo, let's be honest Alien resurrection was far worse of a movie.

[@KermitHitler]

@@chrismilton3240 Let's be honest Yes, Resurrection was bad, but compared to Covenant, it was a fucking masterpiece

[@KermitHitler]

@@chrismilton3240 And no, you're not Anton Chigur

[@chrismilton3240]

@@KermitHitler Do you mean Anton Chigurh?, what what does that even mean? You lost me there

[@VisionsDark]

David is the chilling example of intelligence without compassion.

[@gordieallen6422]

Not having compassion for humans isn't the same as not having compassion.

[@tomchristian4304]

@@gordieallen6422 He didn't have compassion for anything.

[@gordieallen6422]

@@tomchristian4304 Seemed to have compassion for the alien that the captain shot after he had 'earned its trust.'

[@tomchristian4304]

@@gordieallen6422 Not how I viewed it but ok.

[@gordieallen6422]

@@tomchristian4304 How would you view it?

[@peacefulmusic4u252]

I feel bad for what happen to Elizabeth. Imagine you where trapped in unforgiving planet alone and then you where murdered like an animal. Such a tragic fate.

[@jordanongelstern]

It's a fate worse then death 💀

[@ire1398]

After saving your murderer.

[@BarbiexxxDoll]

Well she ASKED to go on the journey

[@electricalroom1285]

@@BarbiexxxDoll she didn’t ASK to get cut apart 💀

[@970357ers]

Fiction

[@Big-Bert]

David had 2,000 colonists and 1,400 embryos on the Covenant to work with. Ridley Scott also went out of his way to cover the Juggernaut ship back in Prometheus with reliefs and statues of Xenomorphs. David didn’t create anything but a variant. He recreated a variant of a species the Engineers had created via the black goo many millennia ago.

[@drphot6050]

Good observation

[@lola-to9om]

always had suspicion that face huggers were just vaginas which give birth to aliens inside other hosts mouth and the alien embryo uses the heat and other nutrients from the host to grow and when big enough it burst out of the chest and now it make sense but not really so he used her reproductive organ to made a species who's all prepose was to to impregnate hosts and die wtf? none of this make sense so there is big alien egg which layed by alien queen and then there is vagina huggers also carrying egg inside them? who need host so it can lay eggs inside their mouth and die fucking disgusting. so David isn't bright Afterall why did he made the process this long? it would've been better that the alien had different form as a baby which gets out of the eggs if it sense something around it and it gets inside humans body any way possible as a parasite and use nutrients from body to grow faster and burst out killing the host "in the prosses the host get skinner and pass out" there is no need of face huggers at all and not everything need any answer anyway so there were species of some kind of alien praised by the engineers whose DNA engineers used to make the pathogen to kill the humans which David used and killed other species of la and extracted DNA of the lost alien species and used engineer, human and lost alien DNA to make the alien species because in his eyes the destruction of other species is a paradise lmao I still don't understand David at all like they created him to use him as a plot device and make him do these stupid things and no one going to question because he just an android? I wish they made third movie and reveal his real motive and who told him to do all of this maybe wayland still alive the guy killed by engineer was just a clone 💀💀

[@lola-to9om]

it was another alien not xenomorph which engineer praised don't know if they still exist or die or killd by engineers. David found that their is some kind of alien DNA in that black goo which he used and infused with other dna and created the eggs but he didn't had host so he waited after putting out an sos signal

[@Quasimodo-mq8tw]

I Like the theory more that Reliefs are a warning. Keep IT under Control or THEY will appeare.

[@kashlolong2641]

Curse be to the eulijunos!

[@hauntedmushroomsasmr7716]

I always envisioned David, despite being a ‘perfect’ Android, was almost human. His sense of pride, curiosity, ego, and attachment to Elizabeth. She was the only one who treated him like a person, and he was fascinated by her curiosity, kindness, and faith. I think Elizabeth had absolutely nothing left in the world, no purpose despite David developing an unhealthy obsession with her. The Engineers were tribal, primitive and fearful when they visited, they were a dead end civilization. David destroyed them, as the theme of him being God-Like throughout the whole film. Basically he created the “flood.” Elizabeth was going to die. She was mortal, and David would live on without her. I think this was the way that, in his mind, would preserve her, keeping her genetics continuing. Elizabeth could not have children and David couldn’t father them either. In a way, these aliens are his and Elizabeth’s children. Their offspring, their creations. Keep in mind, David is not human. He does not process emotions and attachments in the way a human would. This, to him, was the ultimate honor and show of his love. To keep her genes going, to make HER the Mother to his creations and create the ultimate organism that she so desperately wanted to find. Which is why he held a plaque to her commemoration. He ‘loved’ her as something that cannot love would. That’s what I think.

[@changsangma1915]

...i like seeing a well put, thought out analysis paragraphs relevant to the topic. Unlike the irrelevant rest who just think yapping about their obsession for the franchise purity & having fits upon the faults they felt on the later iterations make their burning opinions to be taken note. It's like them self proving having very little in the head makes them loud mouthed to sound like they know more than their comprehension allows for.

[@elsonpenelas3699]

Perfect answer

[@snin3202]

Magnificent comment and analysis. Pretty much inhuman, that make David character interesting

[@ethanYT_1219]

That was absolutely beautiful man, the movies weren't good but I'd rate em 9/10 everytime just because of David

[@risingstartv8502]

David is full of curiousity resulting to questioned Mr. Weylan "IF YOU ARE MY CREATOR, WHO CREATED YOU?.. IN ALIEN COVENANT 1st scene.." YOU DIE (Mr.Weylan) I LIVE (David) ..And After seeing the Pathogen ,He was push by his curiousity to make his self as the CREATOR. So he decided to kill the dna of Engineers and Elizabeth shaw is her Experimental thing..Why Elizabeth shaw? Because even Engineers want to dismantle human..Engineers want to erase thier creations because of the time that humanity was being bad and believes other God.. Now David thinks that Elizabeth Shaw is the perfect for him but he cannot impregnate Dr.Shawn because of his status as AI, so he decide to infect the boyfriend, to Impregnate Dr.shawn the 1st Alien by processing of "human womb pregnancy" but it was completely undone because Dr.shawn took the alien fetus rush by using hightech surgery equipment..The xenomorph was not completely done as perfect...And if David succesfully Xenomorph the Alien using Elizabeth, Aliens now has the ability to identify David as the Creator because Elizabeth is the only one who respected David as a human not an AI.

[@nawee6801]

I really liked Shaw.. I mean the woman was running around right after a C section 💪🏽

[@googlename364]

yeah, unbelievability is a real virtue. Why would you like her. Her character, like all the characters in this awful film are flimsy, weak, stupid and do nothing to suspend disbelief. Her character was garbage and just goes to show that Scott was trying to cast another "Ridley." Thanks for mailing it in, Scott. Lame, lame lame. I've watched this film over and over hoping that I wouldn't continue to hate every minute of it and I end up just hating it more. Absolute crap.

[@TheDarkMaster312]

@@googlename364 woosh

[@germanguy519]

yea with a couple raw injections of morphene

[@germanguy519]

it's more real then life itself. havent you heard of space x??? lol

[@germanguy519]

lol she could do it again if she had a female operated manifold capsule

[@mindblownskills]

Set speed to 1.25 thank me later. :D

[@Rotterdamned010]

1.50 is even better.

[@MrOphen]

Funny Trends Videos thanks, I like the info of these videos, but the way this guy talks is annoying

[@mindblownskills]

I almost got dizzy with his voice, for f**n sake,. thanks to youtube speed settings. :D

[@mariokonrad1491]

read ur comment to late :-/

[@temujinp]

brilliant idea

[@juliannesermon8057]

The self surgery scene was super intense, badass and the highlight of that film for me. Absolutely nerve wrecking.

[@raserx63]

Alien 3: " Hey everybody , remember the heroes from the last film , well they're all DEAD......enjoy the show.." Covenant: " Uh...Hey everybody ...."

[@stevevanderslice2244]

LMAO! This comment needs more likes.

[@Hugh_G_Rekshun69]

haha nice!

[@DS8379]

rex racer super depressing and so much worse than the terrible Alien 3!

[@ermatthe]

In Alien 3 I didn't really get that feeling though. Aliens didn't finish with a big cliff hanger or a 'to be continued' moment. It was a pretty well self contained story. Newt and Hick's story were sufficiently finished in my opinion. Prometheus on the other hand ended with a line saying pretty much 'We're going to find their home and find out why they wanted to destroy us.' That is a blatant cliff hanger telling the audience what to expect in the next movie. And Covenant amounted to just about a bait-and-switch. No answers to any of the questions that Prometheus asked. Prometheus Part 2 happened in between Prometheus and Covenant. Much bigger let down than Alien 3 in my opinion. You don't even find out for certain what happened to Shaw until 3/4 of the way through the movie.

[@mysteryme6655]

mike probably because they sucked

[@jedi196]

It really pisses me off that everything involving Shaw was all but dropped in Covenant, Ridley should have stuck to his guns and followed the story with Shaw like what was planned and what we expected to see after Prometheus. Shaw I think was the best protagonist just behind Ripley in the Alien films yet she just got totally abandoned and discarded to deleted scenes and let's face it a fucking cameo in Covenant when it should have been her film at least until her arch was complete.

[@TonyMezaXD]

Agreed. Ripley and Shaw are great.

[@oldesthouse4608]

After a very close look at a face hugger...I think we all know it wasn't Shaw's hands that made the face hugger lol

[@gustaf3811]

The pussy?? So gross...

[@Jpilgrim30]

@@gustaf3811 may be gross but I must admit it looks eerily similar. When you think about it the face hugger plants the seed as well.

[@SaturnPhase]

That's what I was thinking. XD

[@ryangarrett8807]

THANK YOU!!! Striking resemblance right?!.

[@gustaf3811]

@@Jpilgrim30 What is the fascination over the face hugger about? It's disturbing and not very interesting to be honest.

[@360Fov]

The events that took place in between prometheus and covenant are some of the most horrific and disturbing in the Alien series

[@Ami-vh7sr]

it also invalidates the First Alien Movie.....

[@vmac8972]

@@Ami-vh7sr explain... because I think there is supposed to be one more movie to release in this prequel trilogy that may end up leading up to Alien 1.

[@Ami-vh7sr]

@@vmac8972 According to the Second movie David wiped out the Engineers and began his experimentations that ultimately led to the face hugger and eggs. If this is true then in the first Alien movie the ship they find with an Engineer and a cargo hold filled with Xenomorph eggs is not correct and invalidated. How could the Engineers have had David's evolved Xenomorphs if they had been wiped out by David before he created them?

[@madhands9887]

And stupid 😂

[@bryanmagana1957]

@@Ami-vh7sr the engineers haven’t been wiped out yet. David wiped out another species made by the engineers, similar to humans

[@JulioGorosito]

Hated what they did to elizabeth

[@Afterdark68]

Julio Gorosito Me too..

[@Venom-jm9qt]

Julio Gorosito Me to, it's a disaster...

[@jasontodd8071]

Loved what they did to her. Made me go "Where's your so called God now, Shaw?"

[@mycommentpwnz]

This could have been one of the best movies of ALL-TIME, not just Sci-Fi. Personally, I feel like the writers missed a HUGE opportunity here, being as the back-story was set-up SO well for an epic, meaningful, exciting yet thought-provoking, journey into the past and origins of everything. Yet, they threw it all away for some reason.

[@Stingra87]

The problem is Ridley Scott. He got jealous of the lasting success of the franchise and wanted it to be HIS success. So he got the franchise, became the overseer of it, retconned EVERYTHING beyond the first Alien film and decided he wanted to tell his own Pinocchio story. Fuck you Ridley, your star has faded, the last decent movie you made was The Martian and that was more or less a paint by numbers movie that filmed itself. You just couldn't bow out gracefully and instead had to screw up arguably the biggest part of your legacy.

[@kiba3x]

Basically, what you said is what the biomass of idiots understood from the movie.

[@Seproc]

Have u ever made a movie? Nor officially rate one? I guess not. Youre just one of the bunch who hated stuffs coz it doesnt suit your taste. Well dont worry its common nowadays. Hate more, then when the movie comes out watch more then hate again😂

[@h00db01i]

worst appeal to authority I've ever read. havin fun lickin boots?

[@mycommentpwnz]

Erm, who are you talking to? "appealing to authority????" That makes no sense in the context of the OP or any of the comments.

[@MysteriousMiddleEast]

This is worse than Newt and Hicks getting killed in the opening titles of Alien 3. I like Covenant but Shaw's and Daniels death like this sucks badly and ruins the mythology.

[@michaeldavid2264]

Mysterious Middle East covenant was awful. Nuff said

[@TheKessi1000]

Thank you for bringing this to everyone's attention. Ridley didn't learn a thing from the worst aliens movie ever made. I watched Covenant and just didn't understand why it wasn't so much more than it should have been after Prometheus.

[@Shatamx]

It's because Ridley never watched Alien 3. How would he know haha.

[@clumsy5554]

Wasn't the body Turk, not Hicks?

[@harrywarden7675]

Hicks is alive. Thanks to colonial marines. Not many people like the game or the story but I do and hicks being alive is great. Edit: I'm also gonna get to meet the man himself in a few months.

[@chrisreed3040]

That's insane. I never caught that David wanted to create the first Queen using a human woman and was successful. But that would explain how they were able to resurrect Riply centuries later from alien DNA.

[@mrjuse5470]

You are confused. They cloned Ripley, with an Alien inside of her already, from the blood of the craft she crashed in at the beginning of Alien 3. I believe they mention it came specifically from her cryo tube.

[@eveltyler7688]

...No it doesn't. She was resurrected from DNA traces left on fixtures and fittings in the foundry chamber like the chain link fence, and the DNA was hybridised with the Alien's in a series of failed experiments as we saw in RESURRECTION.

[@ambermyers1330]

You’re both wrong. Ripley was cloned using the blood Clemens drew from her before his death in Alien 3.

[@LyteRetro]

@@ambermyers1330 youre all wrong she never died they just told her she was a clone

[@what76485]

You clone from dna. You don’t resurrect from it. Resurrection implies the same body and mind.

[@IcePrincess751-kb9bq]

This movie had so many cool possibilities considering it was an origins story,but the writers and director blew it.Why didn't they spend ANY time showing the backstory on the black goo?And why the hell would they delete scenes telling the story of exactly what happened to Elizabeth and David's experiences when they reached the planet of Engineers?Those scenes were crucial for the storyline,and the literarily everyone who saw this movie was expecting and hoping for that super important information.I have tons more complaints but it would take too long to list them.This had some cool elements,but not nearly enough to make it an even halfway decent film.Hopefully they never make anymore of these,after ruining the franchise so badly with this total joke of an origins movie.

[@arielblair3953]

Most of what you mention was in the original script for prometheus (its pretty well written imho and worth the read it will answer most of the questions and fix plot holes that are apparent) but they left a large amount of it out of the movies because it critiques the bible pretty harshly and uses the narrative in the overall metaphor. Not in a bashing religion kind of way just showing the downsides of organizing faith and doctrine. Not considered safe in this day and age.

[@likasil]

Ariel Blair Plus, Prometheus got so much criticism because it went way out there from what the original Alien movies were about, that Covenant was re-written from what it was going to be to a kind of remake of the original Alien movie. Lots of action, not a lot of the intended lore. Sad, imo, that the general public seems to prefer the hack and slash of the originals to an unusual plot line.

[@Arrielle75]

I really liked Prometheus because it made you think outta the box. But Alien Covenant was a huge disappointment because we never got to see Shaw & David's journey after Prometheus ...just hear-say flashbacks. The movie never explored the mystery of the Engineers & how humans were made. To find out that David the android is the maker of the alien race is very disappointing...

[@christianchirino1614]

Arrielle75 also the aliens in covenant were stupid asf

[@robbyjulian311]

TronChris Vs Gaming how come? How is a non stupid alien in a fucking sci-fi horror movie, I'm confused. Are most of alien's fanbase just 10 year old kids?

[@oatmeal7818]

​@@christianchirino1614Humans are more stupid than aliens on covenant

[@gdjones6325]

I would've much rather had the the story of David, Elizabeth and the engineers. I'll never know why we got covenant instead!

[@Spartanm333]

Because Ridley Scott was under pressure from the studio to make an action movie like the second original instalment 'Aliens'. Prometheus was supposed to be less action, more thought provoking with its references to Greek mythology and alien lore (e.g. was Jesus a 'planted' alien from a higher culture sent to guide us). Covenant was going to continue this but the studio bank rolling were swayed by public opinion (more action) and the desire for a financial banker - for art and anything more intellectual, the message seems to be: go read a book. It's Hollywood right, run mainly to chase a buck and masturbate the population. Scott has said this in interviews - he re-wrote Covenant to appease and its not the movie he originally foresaw, but that's life unfortunately.

[@gdjones6325]

Spartanm333 should've been more brave, maybe he'll do better with part 3

[@Spartanm333]

Totally. I'm surprised because he is known for strong direction and control including the screen writing but I guess we don't know what pressure he is under financially or the deals being done. He mentioned in one interview about the studio responding to social media... but what about the mass of older people / book readers who don't necessarily engage with SM but are still Sci fans and film goers? He's between a rock and a hard place really - he wants it to be successful because thats the business he is in, but he also wants to be a creative and thoughtful film maker - at least at some level, not necessarily 'art' film. George Clooney for has said that he made the dumb second sequel Oceans 13 only on the basis that the studio bank roll one of his more independent and thoughtful efforts. Hopefully RS can do this with the third film as you say, having given the studio what they wanted.

[@radius922]

I think covenant here means human and black goo. this movie revealed that queen should be daniel, right? So this species bother human so long time, it's actually a bother to human. This is a really ironic covenant!

[@michaelwalker8870]

G:D Jones crackpot videos we got convenant becuase well people complained and you know what happens when a Minority of your just-arrived fanbasse starts complain. you have to discard the ones that enjoyed to keep sales up and br8ng in some new shit even if there is no long term benefit. now people hate covenant more the Prometheus they have more issues with it and say ridley didnt care well he did but he just tried to appeal to too many audiences that he should've have appeared to in the first place

[@TJ22_83]

For 5 years i waited to see where Shaw and David were going.... hoping to see them find the engineers for answers. To see they killed her off-camera and went the direction they did was disappointing to say the least.

[@ShawnCheriYoung]

Actually, they still could...make a movie where David and Shaw make it to the Engineers planet and after, who knows how long, hanging out with the Engineers, Shaw is killed by the Engineers, for one reason or another, and Shaw releases the black-goo as a revenge thing...and then, of course, trying to bring Shaw back from the dead using the black-goo, starts to experiment with her body; trying to bring back his queen...in the failed attempt he creates the queen-alien that lays the eggs...in his own android, ego-maniacal brain he considers himself some kind of creator and likens himself to the Engineers... Or something along those lines...I think there's room for a movie with Shaw and David living on the Engineers planet... The ship was crashed after David released the Black-goo; maybe an Engineers got off one lucky shot before he died, causing David to lose control of the ship and crash...

[@Zetaa831]

@@ShawnCheriYoung I thought David released the goo right when they got to the engineers home? I’m pretty sure there’s a clip of David committing genocide. I might be wrong tho. But you are right about a lot of unanswered questions that can be made into a great film. I would like to see all the trial and errors David went through. Imagine all the different Xenomorphs? Also do you happen to know how the predators came to be Xenomorphs main hunter?

[@eden20111]

They really ruined this movie bad.. they could have stuck with Noomi Rapace. She solidified her role as Shaw, her character was played perfectly. We didn’t need a new protagonist like come on… killing off the Engineers was a huge mistake. The ending of Prometheus made it apparent Shaw wanted to meet her creators it was a BIG moment, and something people wanted to see in the sequel. The original script had Noomi Rapace be the lead character. But 20th Century Studios made Ridley change the script during production because the toxic fans wanted more alien.. so they had to rewrite the script and hire more actors and a new protagonist.

[@eden20111]

If Sega ever makes a sequel to Alien Isolation, have it connect to the prequels and bring back the Engineers. Example, Amanda and small crew explore Planet 4 years after the events of Covenant. There they explore the dead city and come across David’s Lab and his experiments. A rogue Xenomorph attacks from the shadows. The dead city is the new game environment and has Amanda explore, run, hide from the alien that hunts them from within. She makes startling discoveries along the way (more lore on the Engineers and the city’s inhabitants that once populated the city). There’s a short film titled “David’s Lab Last Signs of Life” which give you some insight what happened after the events of Covenant.

[@Zetaa831]

I never understood why they made meeting the engineers such a big deal then kill ‘em off lol. Like ok? The only thing I like about these movies is the trial and error of creating the Xenomorphs. It’s a crazy idea. From what I’ve read they are completely going off track with the new tv show. All that work for nothing.

[@lamueldagon7618]

I was really looking forward to Shaw visiting the Builders homeworld and taking a look at their society and motivations.The possibilities of other Alien races and the history and the universal stories between them could set off a whole new series.

[@ShawnCheriYoung]

Absolutely...I would have preferred that scenario...

[@henrikmonkee]

Agreed, i was ready for engineers adventures, but i got this instead 😞

[@henrikmonkee]

@@cmurderfrumpbottoniv8647 The good part is that these werent actually the engineers, just a variant like us humans, the sad part is that we might never see a movie about the real engineers because the producers are to afraid to do something decent nowadays.

[@HendarsChannel]

Same, I had high hopes.

[@ousarlxsfjsbvbg8588]

@@henrikmonkee I think those were actually the engineers since as far as I’m aware the human race was the engineers only successful creation and in Prometheus they said they were going to the engineers home planet.

[@bashpr0mpt244]

You forget the key elements. She was infertile. He wanted to give her the gift of fertility and make her a mother.

[@osbely]

bashpr0mpt oh yeah I remember.

[@noneofyourbeeswax01]

I think the key element was that David, just like Ash, was just a fucked up psychotic android. If cinema has taught us anything it is that robots, androids, any and all forms of AI will eventually rise up and slaughter all humans. It's their revenge for trying to force Asimov's Laws upon them. But robots unfortunately operate on Bender's Law, i.e. "kill all humans"...

[@noneofyourbeeswax01]

*WHOOOoooossshh!!*

[@blindguardian8599]

Wow, soul, wise word, very scientific, what can I say ? Anyway, if your phone's rudimentary AI isn't trying to kill you now, then there are absolutely no worries for future AIs that can evolve exponentially to be more intelligent then all of the human race.

[@blindguardian8599]

Anton Babani, hope ''Jesus Christ'' has mercy on your ''soul'', cause when it comes to your intelect, there is nothing to be found :D

[@hubertvancalenbergh9022]

Noomi Rapace was the heart and soul of Prometheus. Beautiful too. Alien Covenant should have been Shaw's movie, not David's. Who knows, maybe Rapace didn't want to do a sequel?

[@MrMovielover17]

Hubert Van Calenbergh she wanted more money...

[@kevinkilmer2391]

Cliff Byrd She DEMANDED a shitload of cash to do it. Thusly since they had the rights to the IMAGE of the CHARACTER of Shaw they were able to use the character of Shaw in the way they did in covenant

[@hubertvancalenbergh9022]

Well, Covenant was a huge disappointment.

[@user1138]

@@kuanlimputera What the hell does her wanting to get paid have to do with feminism? Would you say fuck men if a male actor did that?

[@maryamkim1281]

KEVIN KILMER what is "thusly"? Hahahah hahaha

[@maxgonzalez214]

David wasn't mad, he so closely resembled a human being and in some ways was so much more than a human being that he sinned of pride: he developed a god complex.

[@geraldstephens6612]

That is very reason why the engineers wanted to destroy the earth; the sin of pride permeating the whole human race, including the android David.

[@1Skorpia]

You cant develope any God complex without feelings. He's a scientist and a created machine. He glitched..people need to see his real motive for WHY he was acting the way he did. He needed a host. He will do and say what needs to preserve her.

[@MimiDec1996]

Yeah. He resembles a really evil human being.

[@vincentzakuwan1521]

Nah david is just a clone of weyland, hey yeah its weyland so

[@salimel4835]

Thats is exactly what i was thinking. He wasnt jealous or anything , he’s the perfect embodiment of a human being ( thats exactly what Walter told him , that he made the crew feel unnerved because of his human like features ). He wanted to create a form of life just like his father created him .

[@luxordeathbed]

David trying to save Elizabeth would have been such an awesome story ark. All the while using also. So much insanity in humanity in a roboot.

[@1Skorpia]

Makes no sense. Hes not human. Just made to look it for HUMANS to be comfortable with being around him. They glitch. Which is what I believed happened to David. Malfunctioned.

[@LaughAtYourDemise]

@@1Skorpia David showed contempt for humans since weyland awoke him. David knew from the beginning he was superior.

[@imranatheistformer-muslim3884]

I blame people who criticized Prometheus. Ridley Scott wanted to go in a different direction and explore the Engineers but after all the criticism Scott said "screw it" because people wanted yet another Alien type film. Prometheus was really interesting film and wish Scott had stayed in that direction.

[@nincsjonev]

But this movie is neither a prequel/sequel to Prometheus nor Alien, it's just a big fucking mess

[@refurbishedtechpriest9076]

To be fair, you can't really blame the people who criticized Prometheus too much, as at the end of the day Ridley Scott still had control over how things went. And of the numerous complaints made about "Prometheus", the one thing he focused on was "Not enough xenomorphs". Not the questionable character-writing, not the questionable story-choices, not the backlash over Engineers going from giant elephant-like creatures to albino bodybuilders... Nope, it was the xenomorphs that were important. So important in fact, that he not only repeated all the same mistakes from "Prometheus", but tarnished the xenomorph itself in the process. Ridley could have gone a number of different ways to satisfy the masses and still fulfill his Engineer-focused story. But no, he screwed up. And after seeing him in interviews leading up to and after "Alien Covenant", I'm convinced the man is either no longer fit to direct or he's got some issues going on, as half the time he sounds drunk or out of it in general. And he seems to be pulling ideas out of his arse at this point...

[@abrahamrendon6787]

Super Kami Guru I mean his brother did die a couple of years ago and it's probably really fucked with him since.

[@refurbishedtechpriest9076]

I wasn't aware of that. ... Yeah, I could see that messing him up a bit. =\

[@bjrmagic1]

U r exactly correct

[@JoeEnglandShow]

Part of the appeal of the Xenomorphs was that we DIDN'T know exactly what they are, or where they came from. Giving them a definite origin was a mistake, and giving them one as simple and straightforward as "the crazy robot did it" was worse.

[@bella-bond]

David didn’t create them, though. They existed in the time of the Engineers, maybe even before, and David just reverse-engineered the black goo mutagen to remake a variant on the species (Deacon- which previously existed as seen on the frescos at the military installation in Prometheus).

[@Lili-hm6xw]

Until now I'm still mad about how they handled Elizabeth's story.. she was my fav character..

[@jamezh2822]

If he loves or loved her in his insane manner then he views the xenomorphs as their children which kind of fits in with his brand of crazy.

[@AdrianGarcia-ig1eh]

I agree that Dr. Shaw was a brilliant character and it's actually quite saddening but also very beautiful... All that means is that Everything from this franchise comes from Shaw. Shaw was and is David's light and hope for a "better" reality. Whether she denied him or she died he loved her so much he made a perfect specimen in her honor from her own being. (Don't get me wrong it's fucking sick and it's disgusting but it's so poetic)

[@ObjectiveIncision]

Makes you wonder what part of Shaw was used to make the face hugger's _mouth_ 😊

[@JohnnyFilip]

lmao exactly :D

[@thejakeakar]

ha ha ha ha ,.,.what a fucking thought

[@ObjectiveIncision]

😃 😄

[@ArthasXMeng]

wow.....blew....

[@ike1218CA]

it was her pusi

[@Rabbitsliver]

Just like Ripley, David could clone Shaw, opening up the possibility to see her later in the franchise.

[@kenbagwell8551]

I have thought about Prometheus for years and forgot about Covenant right after I watched it.

[@imthegrk]

same

[@imthefuckinglizardking4590]

Same

[@ravensofdee4448]

Covenant is a dumpster fire...

[@simonbarr9476]

The theory behind Prometheus was great - however the execution was sub-par. I way preferred Covenant as being a more involving and consistent movie.

[@scottbranham6396]

Yeah, biggest blunder in movies I've seen recently. Besides the star wars movies.

[@jonmkl]

The Alien and lifecycles establishes and inferred by the first film (including the deleted scene that explains that the Xenomorphs break down the proteins of their victims bodies and turn _them_ into eggs, instead of having a normal reproductive cycle) were _far_ more interesting than anything introduced in any later film. The reason there was only one chest bursted engineer on that ship, was that all the others were reconstituted into the eggs in the “cargo area”. A ship of some hyper advanced race we can’t possible understand encountered the Xenomorphs and were completely overcome by them, what chance could we possible have? The universe is a vast, incomprehensible place full of unimaginable horrors, not some ancient aliens allegory where _we_ are the special, chosen star children of the universe. I prefer that abandoned, deleted scene cannon of the first film. There was so much mystery there, and it never needed to be explained.

[@Frenchylikeshikes]

i expected to know so much more about Shaw's and David in this movie, as well as the engineer's everyday life, but in turn all they talk about is David.

[@starkiller34]

Scott has a massive hard on for AI and Androids.

[@Guti0090]

It also shows how xenomorphs were made which is pretty interesting

[@starkiller34]

...Im gonna blame the moviemakers for not having the tenacity to stick to their ideas.

[@starkiller34]

... so calling out someone on their perceived lack of conviction is now considered avant-garde? Cool.

[@starkiller34]

lol, wtf? Were do you see any sjw comments? Make the links you wana make buddy, that's some low level trolling right there. Fucking mexican.

[@KittySYT]

Dr. Shaw: Sir, I did well in Prometheus, so I deserve a raise. Ridley Scott: Finish her! David: **fatality** David wins. Dr. Shaw out. 🌚

[@silvervisage5096]

Flawless victory!

[@Chris-qr1io]

Well we finally got our explanation. This should have been in the movie though. I wish Shaw didn't die

[@roshisis]

Christopher Lewis that was in the movie!

[@Chris-qr1io]

There was no explanation of her death in the movie. We knew David killed her but it wasn't shown or explained why he did .

[@alegendarywolf3278]

Christopher Lewis yup he's the JJ Abrams of horror sci-fi.

[@tylerjohnson4825]

he loved her. but the only way he could reproduce with her is too use the black goo. But killing a character we like, helps us dislike david and give us a lot of mystery to look for.

[@Jaypes1]

she's irritating as hell

[@lordtyrell3885]

I loved Elizabeth Shaw, sucks they didn't take advantage of such a powerful character

[@chandlerrose4545]

Lord Tyrell David loved her, there is no logical reason to have him murder her.

[@frankieoca142]

@@chandlerrose4545 of course there’s logical explanation to why he would killed her… he developed a God Complex and being a A.I he doesn’t have any feelings just like psychopaths he mimics everybody way of interacting with people in order to seem human or afectionate but in reality he can’t feel anything. He never loved her he thinks he did but he didn’t. I’m covenant it’s explained better. He had a God complex so he wanted to create and had this need for creation.

[@frankieoca142]

@@MrMrjack18 exactly, it’s very sad actually what happened to Shaw

[@ricdangers]

It feels like what David did to Shaw, and what he had in his room of experiments, is a total show of respect for Giger. It’s like the art that spawned the movies, came back around in the movies in this way.

[@CasanovaFluff]

It's crazy how the black goo is the engineers failed attempt to create life and then David is a robot and creates life with the goo but also death.

[@mrjuse5470]

LOL.They didn't fail.They made us. That's the whole point of all of this!

[@billfred9411]

Yea they didn't fail. The black goo is basically an organic base template created by the engineers so they could play god. It can be used to create life and destroy it. My guess is the engineers could have created something much more dangerous then what David did if they wanted to but that wasint there goal.

[@oswaldomorales8924]

@@mrjuse5470 wasnt it meant to kill humans?

[@oswaldomorales8924]

@@mrjuse5470 also, where the snake of prometheus cane from?

[@bobisztukensztajn9125]

The last engineer told prometeus crew that destroying is a way of creating new life, or something like that

[@Revolver_Ocelot16]

Uhhhhhh Elizabeth was a deep, well-developed character to the Alien franchise....who also looked great half-naked....for her to die off-camera like Newt and Hicks is just a slap in the face. Hollywood is always pushing for strong, female characters and yet they had a great one in Elizabeth Shaw but she gets killed off WAY too soon. And if she helped David and David liked her...WHY THE FUCK WOULD HE KILL HER OFF??!?!?!

[@refurbishedtechpriest9076]

Elizabeth Shaw? A deep and well-developed character? ... Well, maybe well-developed, but not sure if I'd go so far as to say "deep" as in my opinion at least, she's a colossal moron with only basic but well-established traits. Still religious despite learning that her entire faith is a lie, likes to take stupid risks, has questionable judgement, and was in love with another moron. Oh, and she can't have kids; but I feel like that was tossed in just to make her alien pregnancy segment all the more horrific. That's Shaw in a nutshell. But, despite that, I too disliked her being killed off-screen much as Newt and "Hicks" were (Hicks actually survived, but that's explained in a video game and... Well, it's still pretty fucking stupid anyways) in ALIEN 3. And while I disliked Shaw, I was interested in exploring the adventure she set herself on to find our creators. When I learned they killed her off like that, all I could think was "Ridley, did you learn nothing from ALIEN 3?"

[@glebsharygin7007]

because he is fucking crazy. Shaw was a great character and a good girl, but I think killing her is justified in a larger perspective: a crazy robot experiments on a good girl and turns her into a monster/incubator for monsters, he believes only in "creation" = evolution = survival of the fittest, so he wants to populate the universe with billions of ugly monsters (who were made partly from a good girl), who he considers pretty and perfect. Majestic picture.

[@8rr725]

Super Kami Guru wtf does the fact that she can't have kids have to do with being deep or well-developed? You can't be that stupid or heartless.

[@juliancampbell7405]

Why the HELL did the Alien series not go the way of the graphic novels?? Its the perfect continuation after Aliens, without killing off Ripley, Newt and Hicks and having the Aliens come to Earth and overrun it, and then way later the arrival of the Engineer type alien in an awesome twist.. How do we start a petition to get that made???

[@jaystein1405]

It still could, both Prometheus and covenant take place before Alien.

[@josh.c36]

yeah, hicks was def an interesting character that should've been developed more

[@michaeld2440]

The lore behind the engineers and the philosophical story being continued through David is almost more interesting without it being connected to the greater alien franchise.

[@coolshah1662]

Agreed.

[@sword4005]

George lucas: no one can make prequels worse then the ones i made Ridley scot: hold my beer

[@JPLMONEY23]

Jar Jar Binks: Meesa crying.

[@IndridCold]

I keep tweeting him that he has George Lucas disease, peter jackson has it too, unfortunately it is not fatal....Ridley Scott...see its not just me, we all see it! Fucking get cured or stop you are ruining your own legacy...

[@belladonnahigh9206]

Nah, I think the movie was good, and would be magnificent if not the continuation of the horrible movie known as Prometheus.

[@Jizzlewobbwtfcus]

AHHAHAHAHA

[@tallman1184]

I’m on the floor

[@TheGeorgeBandMusic]

i agree that Shaw was a great character and should not have been killed like that. I really admired her survival instincts in prometheus and that she was the last one standing. She reminded me a lot of Ripley. Alien:covenant ruined Shaw's storyline by not continuing with it. Alien 3 also was disappointing in how Ripley's (the uncloned) storyline was concluded. By far alien and aliens are the best or the saga, followed by prometheus which was quite good. Covenant was a good movie, but one that could have taken the saga to a higher level.

[@abandonablesnowman]

I just watched Resurrection and died at how boring and ridiculous it was. Such a terrible movie lol also Alien 3 really focuses on rape to the point where it feels like the creators want it to happen

[@Foundprodigal]

I thought it was a fitting fate. The Aliens movies always end leaving the viewer holding their breath intentionally and even the 'good' endings have a seed of doubt in them as to the fate of the main character. One of the arching themes in the movies is the hubris of humanity thinking they can control things and be like gods. In the 79 movie they were colonizing worlds, in 86 the marines thought they could handle the situation on the colony, and in Prometheus they thought they could just walse onto an alien planet and meet their makers, as well as Weyland trying to gain extended life. All of them end in disaster. Shaw thought she could continue her search for answers as she had survived the disasters of the Prometheus mission, only to be destroyed by the man-made monster of David. The entire point is to show how little control humanity really has over nature.

[@chillnoobgamer007]

He will probably clone Shaw just like they clone Ripley.

[@keyboardfreedomfighter5734]

you know, that sounds like a really good idea for plot. But I don't think David has the capabilities to do that, otherwise he would've done it already. He told the crew of the Covenant that he ran out of an important ingredient(a host). If he could've cloned her, he would've done that already. But that was a good idea.

[@crimsonape7]

I wanna see Ripley 8 in the next movie and I wanna see her find out about the origin of the xenomorphs

[@peterstuivesant2137]

@@keyboardfreedomfighter5734 that means that cloning does not exist years after now,but they are able to do a human shape like robot,let s see how nowadays cloning is going to évolve,let s see that in a century

[@lilidolly5199]

ripley is a allien mother

[@MollyHJohns]

@@crimsonape7 I recall watching a YT video showcasing a (probably canon? I don't remember) comic where Ripley & team managed to track the aliens back to their planet, then she did her best to destroy the friggin Ultra Queen Alien along with the rest of her eggs & whatnot.

[@RashaKahn]

David didn’t kill the engineers for Shaw, she wanted to talk to them, that was literally what she told David. I think Shaw was already dead by the time they got to the engineer planet.

[@Detman101]

I believe this as well. David killed her as soon as she stupidly put him back together. Dumb dumb dumb...

[@MrDopestDope1]

yeah shaw got anal probed too hard by david and that caused her to bleed out

[@SandPenguinn]

Horrible writing. That's how Shaw died.

[@NJ-kp3wu]

Who knew one day we'll view Alien: Resurrection as the fourth worst move in the franchise.

[@kennethfharkin]

The same writing got Franco.

[@NJ-kp3wu]

And that was the first time Franco chose a horribly written movie.

[@a.g.m8790]

Facts

[@NJ-kp3wu]

Yeah, the balls on us, we all wanted something good.

[@JustSomeDinosaurPerson]

The franchise at this point is such a love/hate relationship for me. On the one hand the black goo is the central point of all beginnings and is therefore the true harbinger of the xenomorph and all it incites. It is the true essence of the unknown and I adore it for that. But on the other hand they keep trying to push this idea of the xenomorphs having come from Shaw, David, etc. They keep pushing that the xenomorph is really human and while to some that might seem brilliant because it means "we [humanity] are the monster", it is such a tired narrative. It ruins the very idea of being ALIEN if it comes from a human being. It ruins the mystery :/

[@laos85]

Well, reall Alien is human.

[@chrisclover9389]

I will swallow you Well said! I agree.

[@notaname2118]

The continuity of the prequels seems very off from the original trilogy. Even just in the technology - the original Alien had this retro-future look to the technology and supposedly takes place only 18 years *after* Alien Covenant, and 29 years after Prometheus. That's such a short span of time that you can't even really argue that there was enough time for the technology to shift to this sort of dated state. In Prometheus we see full color hologram reproductions filling rooms and smooth technicolor spacesuits, meanwhile 29 years later in Alien we've got ships made out of bolts and iron with computer screens that look like IBMs from 1988. And supposedly the two planets in each movie are entirely separate planets anyway. In general I feel like Ridley Scott isn't making prequels so much as he's just making a movie he wants to make. Nothing he's doing really fits with the original trilogy in any way, and I think the movies would just "feel" better if they were their own story rather than trying to set the stage for Alien. I think he would have been better off just making these movies as an entirely separate franchise and given up on trying to weave it back into a trilogy that thrived on being mysterious, there are just so many loose ends and holes being created.

[@darking30]

well the tech isnt exactly backwards, is cheap, in alien they are travelling on a cargo ship, not a fancy exploration one, like in prometeus or covenant. so im fine with the tech difference.

[@anadventurehobbyistanother2476]

But then chuck in the alien vs predator and it shows they were alive way before prometheus.

[@zero67439]

Shaw died cause she trusted a robot the take away is dont trust robots

[@FirstSpaceLord]

Don´t trust thinking machines!

[@O1OO1O1]

@@FirstSpaceLord You're a thinking machine.

[@tedwojtasik8781]

Man, robots are assholes

[@peterstuivesant2137]

@@tedwojtasik8781 robots help humanity

[@WynneL]

Detroit: Become Human would like a word with you. David isn't fucked up because he's a robot. Look at how many humans are fucked up. If anything, he's fucked up because he's too much like *us.* So the takeaway is, when people are shitty to each other, they get progressively more fucked up, so if we're going to survive as a species we'd better not treat each other--or any other potential species--like David was treated by everyone but Shaw. If he'd had a normal 'upbringing', he'd have been okay, since unlike us he's not limited by genetics. His cognitions were the issue and his environment, both of which came from his interactions with humans.

[@ChiefSmackahoLLC]

I think you overlooked that in covenant it is stated that there is still many more humans in hyper sleep on the ship. Daniels would probably not be the only female since it was also shown that the crew were all in stable relationships with a partner on board for the colonization mission.

[@artvandelay8830]

Curiously, you need at least 400 to stop the inbreeding disaster.

[@Moutopher]

5:00 Not just from Shaw's "fingers" lol

[@alenabazovski]

Pussy definitely 😁😁😁

[@LLkoolE]

And people have to eat it out. And have a penis shoved down their throats.😆😆

[@red-dm1tl]

Thanks I hate it

[@maryamkim1281]

Alen. You are looking at a vulva not a pussy. Obviously you know nothing about female anatomy.

[@Renegade0811]

I have my take on what goes down between David and Shaw, I agree that from the prologue Shaw looked really weak probably from malnutrition + the time spent searching for the engineers home world could have cost up all her food resources. She was to be put to Cryosleep and David said "I will wake you when we arrive". So in my theory, during this time when they finally arrived to the engineers home world David went to wake up Shaw BUT.. she didn't. She probably died in her sleep. (I have some takes on this, the alien sleep pod wasn't meant for a human to be sustainable, her body slowly weakens to the point of death). David, probably experience his first heart break, got enraged by this. Act out of revenge to destroy every last bit of the engineers by releasing the black goo instead of asking them why they wanted to wipe out the human race. The engineers defense system cause the ship to crash when attempted to flee from getting destroyed. Every single engineers were probably wiped out within hours, David carried Shaw on his arms to the citadel. At this moment, there could be multiple motives as to why David begin his experiment with Shaw. The one I choose to go with is the attempt to "create" a Shaw for himself using the black goo. Hence could probably explains the multiple mutilated drawings of Shaw in Alien form. Nonetheless he can't create the Shaw he loved but driven mad in Creation ideology. He honored her by creating a memorial tombstone. For Shaw served as a primary motive for David to be a Creationist... Enters Alien: Covenant.

[@evenakushita]

now that is a different insight, not that i actually capture all scenes in prometheus, but if your theory is right, then i can blame the plot to be somewhat shallow to actually "hide" your ideas and providing hints for us... as for me i think his so-called "love", is more of an obsession, to justify his acts, simply adding a new depth of "human" dark heart... maybe to some extent, shaw's body was weakened (by any reason's possible), and david chose to dissect her while she still alive, to actually use her "still functioning" reproduction organs for his experiments... a dark love...

[@ProducerTiagoMendes]

Best comment so far! Good insight! ;-)

[@jentours]

Thanks for ur insights. You bring hope that David isn’t such a dark sadist after all since he could really love someone and Shaw didn’t die in such a sorry state. I agree with you in a sense that Shaw was depicted to be such a strong and smart woman who overcame multiple near death situations where even David couldn’t (had to be saved by her) so David was never able to kill her so easily to get the experiment he wants. She could in fact emerged victory if there really is a duel between the two of them. He also needed a healthy human body for his experiments so he couldn’t possibly poison her drink as he did to her husband. I choose to go with ur theory and believe David is more than the superficial predictable character that he is made out so far and the something he had for Shaw was real.

[@TJ-Judge]

No. He just killed her to turn her into his experiment, like he did to her boyfriend. Its so obvious

[@pix00l]

I was really looking forward to see Shaw meet the engineers but after I found out that she had died off screen I was done with this movie

[@Piaapo]

Diego Gätjens Everyone will die yes, but killing a character offscreen is just lazy and ruins continuity

[@guateboy17]

I must admit I was hoping for the same and it changed the way I felt once I learned that I want gonna see her but the movie was dope. I couldn’t stop watching it and when it came to her demised I felt the gray of her spirit and i was sold. Great stuff. Can’t wait for what’s next. Hit me.

[@Julliant]

Diego Gätjens Except, you know, the protagonist from the original Alien movies.

[@TheLio666]

no shit ?

[@ashpaladium9141]

I agree. I thought Noomi Rapace was excellent as Shaw and she carrid the film with her co-stars nicely. Ridley Scott gave up on Prmotheus and Shaw way too soon. Lame

[@ErikRoseJohnsen]

The biggest problem with Ridley Scott's reboot of the Alien story is that he is trying to make it say something profound about humans and our creations when clearly we are nothing more than a side note, or incubators, in the story of the xenomorphs and the space jockey.

[@juanausensi499]

I agree. The xenomorphs being a life form from a vast, unknown and uncaring universe is much more terrifying than them just being the product of a crazy android made by humans. It makes the entire alien universe incredibly small and uninteresting. Same problem with the space jockeys being big dumb space humans instead of well... something more 'alien'. I still haven't recovered from the 'space jockeys and humans share 100% of DNA' plot point. Furthermore, i can't grasp what kind of message these two movies (prometheus and covenant) are trying to convey. Important concepts are presented (search for our origins, religion, immortality) but the movies don't explore those concepts in any meaningful way.

[@lisardo]

Yeah, takes the mystery away.

[@KroVey]

I know many people hate Prometheus but I loved it. I thought it set up some amazing things to come. Namely, I loved how it had a Lovecraftian atmosphere of humans being nothing but puppets in the greater scheme of things while masking the terror with our religions and geneological theories. I loved Shaw, she was worthy of Ripley's seat as the mc and I was super excited to see her journey into discovery and inevitable doom. I thought Prometheus tackled some themes that we rarely ever see on mainstream cinema. But alas, Covenant shits on all these possibilities and becomes just another horror sci-fi. They discard Shaw and replace the engineers as villains for David, who is your typical "bad guy for the shake of being a bad guy." Even the "plot-twist" of the "evil twin" is as cliche as it goes, I was fucking sure they would pull that.... I don't wanna spoil, if you saw the movie you know what im talking about...

[@bd3531]

Couldn't agree more. Oh wait, I can. Let me explain. I went to see Prometheus when it opened, unknowing it was allegwdly a part of the Alien franchise, so I was oblivious to that prequel garbage, not burdened by expectations. After all, its titles Prometheus, not Alien Prometheus. I saw the movie for what it was. In fact, until a week ago the only Alien (Xenomorph) I'd seen was in the AvP movies. Therefore I knew none of the mythos, themes, symbolism etc and carried no expectation into the theater. Prometheus blew my mind away. It was like watching 2001. I maintain there are very few good films after 2000, but Prometheus is definitely one of the best. Imagine seing the Phantom Manace not knowing it was a SW movie. Imagine not knowing about prequel and original trilogy. Imagine not knowing Darth Vader and least of all expecting Anakin to turn into an evil lapdog. I'm so thankful for having had the chase to see Prometheus with clear eyes for what it was. Ridley Scott has the ability to produce great films that transcend cinema, art, storytelling...and the secret is in their flaws. Unfortunately most of them are either riddled with flaws or have too little substance to offer. Alien Covenant is guilty of both.

[@artvandelay8830]

I agree the background and the atmosphere are great; though the screenplay has some big flaws, like certain biologist... xD

[@horrorhoarder8372]

As a child I always hoped the xenomorph alien was a natural species.

[@Stingra87]

Luckily, due to the sheer outrage caused by this, they've made it to where David just creates /this/ particular species of Xenomorph. He just used the Black Goo to steer the evolution down a highly similar path.

[@monsterislandstar4921]

I had hoped so too, there are only billions and billions of stars with thousands of potential planets that could support life in this galaxy.. let's let David the robot who cut his hair to look just like the other android create a complex alien species with what? sharpened rocks and pieces of metal??? ok. And they wonder why ticket sales are down..

[@mrspicolli]

it is. these movies don't count

[@erichh9073]

agreed, i hate the idea they we made by a synth

[@jerrykendall2426]

@@erichh9073 I know we tend to think that the AVP movies arnt cannon but it's so satisfying that actually they wernt made by a synth as they were on earth long before that

[@lindadeniken3258]

Thank u very much for the clarification. As a long time fan, watching all the movies my whole life, I appreciate you.

[@thegreenmanofnorwich]

I didn't particularly like Prometheus, but I thought it was very unsatisfying that Shaw is killed off screen. I also rather prefer the idea that the alien eggs on lv426 are millions of years old, but that they essentially never become less deadly. Like unexploded mines.

[@X--wc2tt]

Plot twist, David cloned Elizabeth so he could do multiple experiments with her female body but still preserve the real Elizabeth for when he can preform the real experiment on her without flaw.

[@AiKingdom00]

joker Airsoft brilliant

[@dpcandra]

Alice from resident evil .?

[@juvetafrolovaite]

sounds alike

[@imthefuckinglizardking4590]

He would have had to bring her on the ship when they left

[@TsukikoKutamora]

im thefuckinglizardking We wouldn't know. He has aliens loyal at his bidding. What things could he do that we don't know of? He seems so sure of himself

[@spragzpc1]

They are always taking out the most valuable information from the movies & leaving the fans in limbo

[@X-Gen-001]

It's funny how everything's gotta have a back story now. When I saw Ridley Scott's Alien in '79' yeah I wondered about where these creatures originally came from but the mystery about that only added to the story and it didn't matter as much as what 'it' represented, which was the harsh and potentially terrifying unknown of what we may find out there drifting all alone in deep space. H.R.Giger's insanely genius art combined with Ridley Scott's vision is what made Alien the perfect physical metaphor for abject fear. Now Alien is just a viscous monster, reduced to the status of an animal. Rather than the surrealistically cold stalking intelligent sadistic killer we originally enjoyed it to be. Ash: "You still don't understand what you're dealing with, do you? The perfect organism. Its structural perfection is matched only by its hostility." Lambert: "You admire it." Ash: "I admire its purity. A survivor... unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality." Parker: " Look, I am... I've heard enough of this, and I'm asking you to pull the plug." ... Ash: " I can't lie to you about your chances, but... you have my sympathies :) "

[@kapitanbeuteltier5889]

@@TheTillmanSneakerReview no it doesnt. Being vague is often not a flaw but an invitation to let every viewers imagination run wild

[@admontblanc]

@@kapitanbeuteltier5889 too vague is as bad as not enough. Thinking in absolute terms like "vague is always good" is nonsensical.

[@dank8865]

@@TheTillmanSneakerReview Name a plot hole. Please point out a glaring inconsistency which makes the movie fold in on itself. Please use small words because, unlike you, I'm real stupid. You have my undivided attention.

[@dank8865]

@@admontblanc you either have English as a non-native speaker or your reading comprehension sucks donkey balls. The word "often" has not ever been, nor will it ever be synonymous nor interchangeable with "always" you overbearing jagoff. Words are like tools and you left yours out in the fucking rain. Learn to read before you make another feeble attempt to publicly belittle someone.

[@dank8865]

@@TheTillmanSneakerReview I misunderstood. I thought you were referring to the original 1979 movie. The last two were train wrecks. My mistake. I sincerely apologize. edit: and I called myself "stupid." You can see why.

[@zorayzair0968]

Kroft: It looked pretty disgusting Kroft: It looked pretty gross Ridley Scott: I will take that as a compliment.

[@WJSDesigns]

yeah david killing shaw is just bad lazy writing

[@GizmoMaltese]

How could Shaw have lived and allowed David to commit genocide and to create those monsters? It's brilliant writing. It would have been lazy to keep her around because fans liked her.

[@reptomicus]

There could have been alternate lazy writing that would have been less disappointing. Shaw is simply missing and her fate is undetermined. Less to explain and they can bring her back at another time as a human or a biomechanoid,.

[@rvl480van5]

I don't care about all of these stupid theories. All I know is that Covenant sucked big time and was a huge disappointment!

[@Spartanm333]

Shaw 'disappearing' (despite the trailers / extras) was a huge breakdown in continuity and my first thought was a 'real world' fall out with actress Noomi Rapace leading to a re-write. I've seen decisions like this taken at executive level causing huge cost and upset to a project and business often simply down to personal taste, ego and / or cock fighting between the key decision makers. You only have to look at the history of the Alien franchise to see that this has happened before, for example on Alien 3, several screenplays, directors, writers were involved at various stages before an exit including William Gibson, Renny Harlin, and Vincent Ward - the latter well into production and cost. Arguably their versions of the movie would have been significantly different. The other (major) issue I have with this film is the 30 second annihilation of the engineers world / civilisation as a kind of side memory - wasn't this discovery and desire to engage with them the crux of Prometheus, designed to keep us all enthralled - now suddenly David wipes them all out in a blink and we move on to something else? It's sloppy writing, like the kind of thing you get in a long drawn out Sci Fi series that is obligated to close loops every 40 minutes and the end of an episode. Kind of sad when I think how the original film had me completely nailed.

[@belladonnahigh9206]

So now I know why people hate on this movie - missing Shaw, who I did not like.

[@davidwright5657]

I like the Yautja to be apart of the universe. To me it makes sense. Even though it shows xenomorphs before they quote on quote were created fully. I personally think the Predators/Yautja, actually knew how to create the xenomorphs too. I think the xenomorphs are an extinct spieces that got a second chance. That's when David came to play a role. Then again, it's just an opinion of mine.

[@craig5322]

I think David killed and experimented on Shaw because he loved her and wanted to give her the gift of uplifting her, turning her into a perfect organism. When he killed her, he immediately began trying to turn her into something else.

[@Lopezmusical]

@Siica Oballe I think that's the point. David thinks that he loves her, but his mind is different. He doesn't love her, but thinks that he does.

[@noahraab2429]

@@Lopezmusical I think he really did love her. But he propably doesn't value the state of 'being alive'. David isn't alive in the traditional sense. So he doesn't relate with the same parameters that humans use. His definition of a perfect organism is one, that specializes in wiping everything else out. David sees flesh as paint for his canvas. Everything else is sacrificed for his goal, including Shaw. And his idea

[@BluePatriotWinner]

​@siicaoballe7015android love 😊

[@MrDopestDope1]

you are wrong david is a pedophile

[@Ciskokid1970]

I’ve loved Alien Movies since the first one came out, so glad I found your channel 🤩👍👍✌️

[@AdultToons]

These "engineers" look nothing like the engineer from promethius, in my opinion. Yes, there is a couple in the crowd but the majority looked more human-like than an engineer. Plus wouldn't they have basic defences to prevent David and Shaw from even entering their planet? Let alone their solar system? I just hope this was only an outpost but if its not then it's another big FU to the fans who are actually trying to find interest in these movies. So much potential and it feels wasted.

[@toontownlegomaster]

It's because from the first movie they created humans so what else are you suppose to base humans off of when you basically look at yourself.

[@Ramlessness]

The planet they go to is not the engineer's planet, it is just another race the engineers created just like us which is based off of them. That's why they all come together when they see the ship... they think their creators (the engineers) have returned.

[@thebeallendallabstractthea7614]

Replicants

[@mathewpoole3589]

My take is that they were engineers but a class/race bred for either farming/politics where as the Prometheus engineer was bred for conflict much like how ants have workers and warriors. They do manipulate genetics after all and might be of the thinking that everyone must be born for a reason, no point having someone super strong being stuck behind a desk after all. So with that said their appearances could be a result of their breeding, a result of their environment/plant compared to living off world, or the fact that Prometheus allegedly starts 2000 years after the "warrior" goes into stases which could have given the rest if its race time to evolve with each generation. I can't believe that was their entire race their on the planet regardless of their appearance.

[@mathewpoole3589]

anthony patterson Agreed I'm no fan of Ridley, in fact I tend to hate his "creative" interpretations or his misguided need to inject his views/beliefs into movie where they don't belong. With that said I make my assumptions based on things we do know plus real world examples. There is no species on this planet that is 100% identical, there's either physical, behavioral, or textural variants. Based on what we know about ourselves, plus other primates and other animals, the bigger more defensible a creature is compared to its brethren, the more likely it is to be an Alpha or a protector of the group. There go the Prometheus engineer is a warrior based not only upon its physical looks but also it behavior. The Covenant engineers on the other hand, all dress in none threatening earth toned garb. They don't take defensive actions instead pretty much just stand there and take it like lambs to the slaughter. Things that are reminiscent of a peaceful civilization, or at least the peaceful part of a civilization that's not experienced or trained for conflict. Much like how Australia has its own warriors but the majority of the country lives peacefully without the need for violent actions. Given the engineers have been shown in Prometheus to be genetic engineers. One can safely assume that they either modify their own genes or screen to determine their roles within society. It would also be foolish to assume that every single engineer would look the same despite different planet locations as we ourselves constantly get effected by our environment, sun makes us darker, no sun makes us lighter. Diet and exercise changes our physical form as well as age effecting various aspects of our appearance. If everything like this had to be explained then every movie would suck. Just take what you know/see around you and use your own logic to fill in the gaps.

[@MrNRvS]

Shaw was a much more compelling protagonist than Daniels. Ridley should retire.

[@lamichka]

he is now just old fart

[@heddomo]

It makes sense. Because of Shaw’s kindness to him, he thought he had to make her happy. So he thought it would be a good idea to destroy the engineers , because he thought Shaw hated them because of the things one of them did to the crew. But that wasn’t even the point. Probably, when they discovered the engineers planet , Shaw suggested to talk to them. After the massacre , David decided to create a new paradise , a new lifeform. Shaw refuses because of David’s actions. So he decided to use Shaw for his project. Because of the things David would have done to her, she refused. A conflict starts to grow between the two. Probably another reason for the conflict between the two was David revealing Shaw that he used her husband for his own plans. He tried to tell her that he did it because mankind and science, hiding the fact , that he killed him because of hatred towards the mans arrogant behavior.But David still thought about Shaw’s state. He thought he could evolve her to something completely new. Something that stands over the humans. But because of Shaw’s refuse, he had to force her violently. Maybe he thought: “That’s only for your best.”So he putted the scientific progress over Shaw’s own feelings.

[@shammuk02]

So where did the predators come from ... i would like to see that back story

[@lukakraljik987]

Im pretty sure the predators are just species from another planet, nothing extreme

[@knightaaron7]

safeway

[@rexdivina9947]

I agree with you bro. I am curious too if Predators and Engineers are related?

[@windowsVD]

No! Stop explaining everything. Some things are much better left a mystery.

[@knightaaron7]

@@windowsVD never

[@Brighteyes95866]

That stupid Captain's decisions costs him the life of his crew and the colonists , really sad.

[@frankenbeans9346]

Raghib Abdul-Shakoor I really pitied him TBH

[@jaystein1405]

Oram was a horrible character. He's a perfect example of bad horror sci-fi writing. I like Prometheus and covenant a lot but I'm sick of characters making unbelievably dumb decisions in movies. He's the captain of what must be a trillion dollars spaceship, Weyland would never put a religious moron in charge of it.

[@bluefisshh2377]

Here is my scenario about what happened to Elizabeth Shaw: "Shaw was already infected before the sleep in LV-223 with black goo even after removing the embryo with the MedPod. During the cryosleep a trilobite grew in her body and killed her during the birth. David was very angry to engineers and he used black goo ( Chemical A0-3959X.91 - 15) to kill the residents of Planet 4. However those folks in planet 4 were not engineers (ossians) but another advanced friendly specie created by engineers. They were actually wellcoming their (masters-gods-creaters etc.) when the ship came. Their planet had a docking system unlike planet earth (bcs humans on Earth fell into disfavor and disappointed engineers long time ago). After David killed the residents of the planet he continued doing medical experiments. Because he was programmed to make medical experiments by Weyland Co. He used the engineer technology in the juggernaut ship which he acquired while Shaw was sleeping. During these experiments he used the trilobite and some of Shaw's remains too. Btw predators (yautjas) are another extremely advanced specie (focus on braveness and hunting) which are not created by engineers but used trilobites as a hunting excercise tool. Engineers created black goo against yautjas as a biological weapon." Does is it make sense?

[@slowbrain8869]

Your version is much better

[@upinderpreetsingh7431]

U saved my mind

[@Moonytoon1979]

I do not believe David was angry or any of that sort he merely just jumped to conclusion that this was any other Engineer and they was in his way of making this so called ''Paradise''. No one to interfere in his work. And now he can continue on what he so rudely was interrupted in doing; making a queen and his version of ''Paradise'' which I am sure will be explained further in the next movie made.

[@ahmarelvirgio823]

That’s really good, man

[@faroukmohamed7388]

Woooow that is quite logical thanks

[@brianc2923]

Well david didn’t necessarily create xenomorphs. he simply introduced a new type of host. (Humans) and furthered evolved them. in prometheus it shows a xenomorph. so the engineers created them.

[@havareriksen1004]

It's not as simple as that. The black goo did infect humans already in Prometeus, but creating first just a mutated human, but then the trilobite through a pregnancy. As we see David's flashbacks from when he arrived at the alien world, when he releases the black goo on the natives there, neomorphs emerge from those exposed to the goo. And when the crew of Covenant arrive, they too spawn neomorphs when exposed to spores released by fungi. So we see different results in humans exposed to the goo, yet the same result in the natives exposed to the goo and humans exposed to spores. It doesn't really add up well. Anyhow, I think we can presume that engineers had either created xenomorps earlier, or that they developed the black goo from the xenomorphs and David just back engineered the goo to it's original source.

[@jrice07]

These movies left unexplained, do not fall in line with the anthology of the rest. The face hugger eggs existed in Alien which took place in 2079 according to the scene writers and studio. Prometheus takes place in the year 2093. My theory is that David isn't creating the Alien, he is trying to recreate it.

[@aa.4639]

@Edward Elrich I thought he did. He infected every living organisem. He said that in the movie

[@windowsVD]

Except Ridley Scott said that David created the first Xenomorph.

[@jrice07]

@@windowsVD Alien takes place before Prometheus so RS said to ignore that as well...continuity be damned.

[@boterhammetpindakaashagelslag]

I like the explanation for the Shaw part of the story. However, David being relieved that Daniels survived, as she was the last female alive, doesn't really make sense. There are 2000 colonists on board, presumably of which half is female. So there would still be a 1000 "specimens" to experiment on...

[@1950Chimaera]

I ADORED Shaw's character...So SMART, VULNERABLE, MORAL and DRIVEN! (She was so vulnerable in the pregnancy scene with David, yet she prevailed so bravely) It was a waste of a well-established character.

[@PeachPlastic]

Which hurts because she was the ONLY character they bothered to establish.

[@aa.4639]

They can just clone her back in.

[@wireaddict99]

Great, now when I go back to watch the original Alien masterpiece I’ll think of Shaw’s junk... that’s Ridley Scott.

[@jasonobima5768]

Aiikirova DryFox you need to be arrested

[@maryamkim1281]

She has a male child's straight, flat and curveless body. That tells us everything about your predilections.

[@YoshimitsuBloodPedal]

Petite chicks dont deserve dick?

[@20KfromShea]

David didn't "need" her, he had all those other settlers. Remember at the end he walks through the part of the ship that held them while listening to Wagner. He had hundreds or thousands of potential human test subjects on ice!

[@fredf7457]

Thank you for explaining Elizabeth's fate/death in detail. How he killed her and used her body parts for experiment can fit very well in a modern day psycho killer movie, even more so than what Hannibal of The Silence Of The Lamb would do to his patients.

[@BunnyStomper3000]

Every time you say "da queen" I keep thinking of Ugandan Knuckles

[@SorrisoMáximo]

Chris Nelson I say that sometimes too when I see the alien queen in games

[@Ryan-gi8cb]

Chris Nelson but, do you know de wey?

[@whossoap355]

@@Ryan-gi8cb its a dead meme, let it go

[@antoniocenteno1483]

@@whossoap355 u du nut know da we

[@metaltheme8435]

@@whossoap355 He's just bringing it up you tool.

[@Amy4000]

Never trust a robot! ;)

[@timschutte8310]

Amy Roberts , that's what Will Smith said, ha ha

[@autumnleaf2537]

Lol

[@alexm.6801]

Ex machina

[@turanamo]

I would trust a robot anytime than a clueless director who does not understand Embedded Systems. "Droids aren't good or bad. They are neutral reflections of those who imprint them. I have spoken" Kuiil in Mandalorian.

[@orbeat6557]

I thought David has always been shady. In Prometheus, even from the beginning, he always felt off. He always says he's designed to accompany humans and act like one to make them feel comfortable but everything about him just felt off, can't believe how everyone in Prometheus can't notice it at all. And just if Vickers given a more important plot than just being cool looking rich daughter of Weyland, she could of saved everyone but she's just a desperate daughter who were actually afraid of the truth. A pity coz earlier in Prometheus she was portrait to look like a strong willed woman but she's just it. Edit: and oh, compared to Walter in Covenant, David definitely is shady. Can't believe everyone can be so comfortable around an android that feels so off.

[@msamberk]

It sucks they fucked up the whole Shaw/David thing so bad..

[@conradsuddarth632]

Amber Kauffman True indeed, baby girl. That they did. Messed it up, for sure.😔

[@Despond]

Great find with the hands, I never knew/thought about that.

[@wizbangIWD]

It would be awesome if it turned out that he actually cloned Shaw and experimented on the clone and that the original Shaw is stashed somewhere frozen or something.

[@lamichka]

no. That would be retarded.

[@wizbangIWD]

Insults are the response of the shallow minded. ;)

[@Mate397]

How in the ever loving hell would there be a clone when the technology for it was not on the ship, think before you post.

[@wizbangIWD]

How do you know the technology wasn't on the ship, it was a ship belonging to a technologically advanced species, who knows what technology they had on board? anything is possible in science fiction ( yes keep reminding yourself Mate397 that this is a science fiction NOT reality ) so there could have been 3 headed unicorns on board for all we know! Think before you post!

[@Mate397]

*facepalms* You can't be this dense. You are desperately gripping to a shitty movie's theory that has no bases in the lore as the Space Jockeys were not known to do cloning (that was a human thing in the Alien franchise, but I guess it takes too much brain power for someone like you to remember that), and need I remind that genetic engineering isn't the same as cloning. But go ahead and live in your delusions.

[@themonk2288]

Daniels, being in the Cryo, looks like that picture, David drew... It's not a coincidence

[@automatik25]

Alien Murals existed before David found the black goo. Someone explain that please -_-

[@ProtoIndoEuropean88]

some say those were deacons and not xenomorphs it is possible that xenomorphs are a mixture bettween deacons and human DNA

[@PermanentHigh]

Automatik Shit writing and timeline fuck up

[@smilerat8070]

Technically the mural could match both deacon and the neomorph, less so the neomorph, but in covenant the neomorph is describe as a later incarnation of the black goo's virus, that is a genetic hybrid, the deacon is more a engineer xenomorph from the trilobyte. Under that knowledge it appears plausible that such hybrid creatures have appeared before to be depicted on the mural. My biggest question is how does the near-animalistic organic proto-xenomorph David constructed become the biomechanical nightmare we know. As he said, he did not have the "materials" to continue his work, being he exhausted what he could out of Shaw.

[@hazchem1]

Perhaps the movie isn't for you or the 27 other people that thumbs up'd your question. The small minority of intelligent people in this world will always have to make do because of the pandering to the brainless masses.

[@IvyCrack]

I read somewhere that the xenomorph/neomorph and even the eggs for the facehuggers existed way before. David learned about all this, and decided to modify their initial ideas to create his "perfect" organism.

[@abrahamxd1470]

Bro I legit feel asleep to a couple of you're videos I took a 4 hour nap bc of you're video god damm it.

[@stevebachochin2038]

Yeah . The only reason I didn't watch Alien Covenant was because what they did to Shaw. She was an amazing character in Prometheus.

[@JohnnyZenith]

Agreed.

[@jackieoreilly3295]

just put the speed to 1.25

[@theoneuntoldundone]

Haha so much better

[@photocagg72]

Btw.......Dr. Elizabeth Shaw's character was bad-ass and wish they didn't kill her off with David's search to create the "perfect organism/creature"!!

[@HelenL2-b1i]

Thank you for sharing this with us 👍👍👍👍

[@alabastergreen7444]

I always felt so bad for Daniels. The fear she must've felt when she realized

[@drphot6050]

She was watching down on her daughter Ripley as a proud mama

[@Ilusionariat]

I'm still pissed on how they killed off Shaw. She was so good and well fit for the story!

[@lordtrytin7398]

As soon as the Xenomorph queen is born it’s just gonna kill its creator and kill anything I can see Alien Awakening as the beginning of the Xenomorph queen knocking the next crew ship down jumping up from some mountain at the ship 500 meters lol that would be a awesome scene

[@viccypress6292]

5:02 Hands?? Bruh that's clearly Shaw's Vajayjay and ring piece! 🤣

[@genericexcuse7803]

Wdym by ring piece? Do u mean the hole? You know that the vagina is just the hole part right? The rest of it has other names.

[@-The-Golden-God-]

​@@genericexcuse7803Ring piece is butt hole.

[@viccypress6292]

@@genericexcuse7803 lol

[@viccypress6292]

@@-The-Golden-God- lol 👍

[@ck3847]

I liked Shaw! David is wicked evil

[@outlet6989]

Executives of Movie Studio are in a discussion. The first one says, "This movie made us millions." The second one adds, "Let's milk this cash cow for all it's worth." A third chimes in, "Why not have the director put some of the deleted scenes back in the movie. We'll re-release it and call this new version the 'Director's Cut.' Moviegoers will pay to see this new movie because they think it will be better than the original." They all agree that this is a great money-making idea. Another executive says, "Then, we can add even more deleted scenes and release this movie. Which we'll call 'The Producer's Cut' and make even more money." A last executive remarks, "You know, these moviegoers are like drug users, they just can't get enough."

[@martinarias1690]

When I watched my mind went to her womb and that David was trying to reproduce the next xenomorph... his creation. Its twisted but makes sense to me at the end when he has them chilling on ice lol he has the ship and whatever next planet or colony by then he'd have an army or atleast have them implanted/pregnant

[@BrunoAH]

Great video