Delphi Murders: Richard Allen, Mailbox Man, & Brad Weber | Vinnie Politan Investigates

[@CourtTV]

#CourtTV - What do YOU think?

[@sixtosoliz5651]

I think Barney Fife and Roscoe P. Coltrane coulda investigated this better!!!

[@raptorman48]

RA is BG it's same voice telling girls to go down the hill surely the jury could tell it's the same guy!

[@CriminalNetwork]

Not only are we telling you that Richard Allen is completely innocent, but we are telling you exactly who the true killers are. Meanwhile, they are free, living their best lives. Who we truly need to thank is the investigative efforts of three distinguished law enforcement officers: Kevin Murphy, Todd Click, and the late Greg Ferency. When their investigation surfaced in the infamous 136-page memorandum, it changed everything, casting new light on the case and giving a motive where none had existed before. The response from authorities like Superintendent Doug Carter, Lieutenant Jerry Holeman, and Judge Frances Gull reveals just how deeply they despise defense attorneys Baldwin and Rozzi for exposing these uncomfortable truths. Their hostility toward these attorneys even outweighs their disdain for the alleged child murderer himself. This response alone speaks volumes. While the true killers roam free, Richard Allen remains incarcerated, fighting for his innocence in what has become the battle of his life. He did exactly what authorities encourage us to do when they say, “See something, say something.” Yet he ended up in prison for it, facing conditions meant to break him. His pre-trial detention in a maximum-security prison-typically reserved for society’s most dangerous-was nothing more than a calculated attempt to shatter him, and sadly, it succeeded. Richard Allen, already suffering from depression and anxiety, was paraded through the prison, naked, humiliated with a dog collar around his neck, mocked by inmates, and abused by guards known to wear Odinist symbols. These guards, many of whom are reportedly huge, intimidating figures, easily overpowered Allen, a smaller man at 5’4”. Rather than administering his usual medication, they injected him with haloperidol, a powerful antipsychotic, which does nothing for depression but creates symptoms that mimic severe psychosis. Adding to the torment, they allegedly tainted his food with methamphetamines, leaving him sleepless, malnourished, and acting out of character, even to the point of visible distress, and masturbating on camera. This drug-induced psychosis was a temporary episode, one he might come out of and regain awareness after days, weeks, or even months. The Richard Allen his wife Kathy saw on those tapes was someone she never recognized before, and the pain of watching him in this state is unimaginable. Baldwin and Rozzi, Allen’s attorneys, are the true heroes here. When they learned of his mistreatment in Westville, they took immediate action, exposing the inhumane conditions, which forced the guards to change their tactics. That intervention likely saved Richard Allen’s life, as he had deteriorated severely-emaciated, delusional, and quickly losing touch with reality. The second set of heroes is Kevin Murphy, Todd Click, and Greg Ferency, whose investigation pointed to a group of suspects wholly unrelated to Richard Allen. Until Allen’s wrongful imprisonment is corrected, there can be no justice for Abby and Libby, as their real killers continue to walk free. The jurors in this case are perceptive and serious about their duty. They are asking the tough questions, and it’s becoming painfully clear that the man charged with killing Abby and Libby is simply not the killer. The case has been marred by prosecutorial and judicial misconduct from the outset, which anyone paying close attention can recognize. Richard Allen has been clearly, "Shawshanked" and the Jurors are simply not gonna fall for "the banana in the tail pipe." The most disturbing element of this cover-up involves Carroll County Sheriff Tony Liggett, who has been involved in the case since day one. Liggett was aware of the “fruit of the poisonous tree” doctrine, knowing it could leave the case technically solved but officially unresolved. Yet, seeing an opportunity with the upcoming election and his standing in the polls, he chose to exploit the case for his own benefit. He genuinely believed he could get away with it, but instead, he opened Pandora’s box. Liggett’s reputation speaks for itself, as locals know him well-a man with limited education, rumored to be associated with meth use, bar games, and tool-cleaning sessions at his trailer park. The state’s “smoking guns” in the case are two flimsy pieces of evidence: a van and an unspent bullet, neither of which appeared in the probable cause affidavit that led to Allen’s arrest. This affidavit is supposed to be the foundation of the case, not a scavenger hunt to support a narrative. By law, a case should have enough solid evidence to convict an individual at the time of arrest, yet this case clearly does not. The assumption that Richard Allen is guilty is laughable, given the blatant lack of evidence and the glaringly obvious misconduct at play. Saying Rick is the killer is compared to someone saying that Jeffrey Dahmer was wrongfully convicted. Allen has been treated as though he is guilty with no regard for his rights or humanity. Law enforcement has misled the public since day one, assuming no one would question their actions. But now, with the truth surfacing, they have a lot of explaining to do, especially for exploiting Abby and Libby’s names without seeking true justice for them. Disturbingly, even the victims’ families seem complicit in promoting the state’s narrative. Becky Patty publicly named a suspect while the girls were still missing-a name the defense team has been barred from even mentioning. The family’s consistent public praise for law enforcement over the years is perplexing, given the unresolved nature of the case. Their public endorsements, alongside the creation of a million-dollar memorial park, suggest a level of closure that seems unjustified if justice has yet to be served. The coming revelations will not only implicate numerous law enforcement agencies and public officials but also expose members of the victims’ families who have worked to shield the authorities from scrutiny. This is a story of too many “chiefs” and not enough “Indians,” and as the truth comes to light, it remains to be seen who will betray whom first. Abby, Libby, and Richard Allen all deserve far better than the system has provided.

[@raptorman48]

​@@CriminalNetworkWhat a load of garbage!

[@kathleenrose4820]

Not guilty. Reasonable doubt.

[@Handylions]

As someone who lives in Lafayette - I can assure you that you do not simply leave Suburu parking lot. So many people work there and get off at that time. You have several hundred people trying to leave at once. I HIGHLY doubt that man got home in that short of time. Also, Since Grey Hughes is so tight on these confessions - Why hasn't the prosecution gone and found the first bullet that was racked? BY THE CONFESSION there is a second bullet out there and the prosecution didn't take the time to go find it and CONFIRM this evidence? That would 1000% Solidify the case but it wasn't done! LAZY LE INVESTIGATION - COVER UP IMO

[@bertsdaughter]

There is a second bullet that was found during the search of his property in a “keepsake box”. It was mentioned during the search warrant testimony. Same caliber. Why is the one bullet in a keepsake box along with a photo of his mother and other mementos? 🤷‍♀️

[@MarcyKangas]

@@bertsdaughter I have random bullets around my house, drawers, storage areas etc... I don't find this odd at all.

[@SmoknBlondie]

I also live in Lafayette and it’s fact SIA isn’t easy to leave and the traffic is too heavy for B to make it home by that time. Why can’t they exclude B’s sig .40 in the testing? Why wasn’t B’s cellphone data or vehicle black box pulled and inspected for movement and times? Why wasn’t RA’s data and car black box get investigated? Also how did no one hear screaming in the leafless forest? Has LE done the sound effects of the topography? How come none of the witnesses identified RA as Bridge Guy? How did the one witness wait 3 weeks to call LE IF she saw a man with blood and mud all over them in that area after the girls were located. There’s no way she didn’t know what happened we all knew what happened. The IN state police LOVE polygraph examinations did anyone sit down to take one? Is it true horse hair was found on one of the girl’s feet on the bottom specifically the bare bottom?

[@5GreenAcres]

@@bertsdaughter I have bullets in my house. In fact I have 5 shot gun shells on one of my kitchen shelves. Another one in my jewelry box Man you need to do some research on this case. How about if you want true information The Prof on you tube. You will be surprised at what you don't know. An innocent man is in prison being torchured while the real redrummers are lurking around in Delphi. Have you checked into all the fires in Delphi? How about the Flora fire? Are you aware of all the deaths surrounding this case? The polygraph examiner, One of the FBI investigators and sooooo many more.

[@michaeltreacy6356]

@@SmoknBlondie What does "bare bottom" mean?

[@queenbeedat8726]

Gray Hughes is a nasty man with a nasty attitude. I questioned something on his channel and he basically called me an idiot and his mods mocked me. Nice, huh ??

[@SunFlower-sf1go]

What was the question you asked him?

[@marlenegreyling8620]

He and a lot of others, are so rude and many times uncalled for. I refuse to watch their videos or subscribe. If they show no respect to us, their viewers, I do not support them from that moment on.

[@kimberleydownunder]

They’re all flogs

[@wKFaded]

He has no facts just presumptions that's it. You can tell just by the way he talks very very biased.

[@charliebarrow7086]

That is pretty disgusting. I have heard that from a number of people and that is why I don't watch his videos.

[@WickedWest512]

I wanna know why? Why are they keeping him so weirdly close? What are they afraid of? What do they not want him to say, or what do they want him to say? They either have nothing, so they are going to pin it to a guy they know is a bit mentally weak. Why ? Is it cause they are protecting someone else. Maybe a group of people? I don't know but what I do know is something stinks in the little town of Delphi .

[@FrankieLanette]

Odin, follow the Odin trail, it’s there. Even an FBI agent said it couldn’t have been one person, had to be at least two possibly 4-5.

[@Shurmash]

​@@FrankieLanettethank you for using common sense which a lot of people here don't seem to have. I find it very interesting that the FBI and his first attorney both believe that ritualistic Odinism is involved. There were (and probably still are) people riding around n Delphi with "In Odin we trust." on their cars for goodness sakes. It's very real and very dangerous.

[@holylandfan3275]

Never passed the smell test. I’ve always thought it was the mayor. It’s a Masonic town. They protect their brothers.

[@iiiSK8orDI3iii]

@@FrankieLanette please seek professional help

[@Dee-if7qc]

@@iiiSK8orDI3iii They are using their real name. Yours, is meant to disguise you. They, do not need professional help ...

[@angelabiery-jones5556]

Why does Court TV have Grey Hughes on?!! He is not any type of expert & he is super creepy!!! Do the producers not vet the so called podcasters they have on?!! There are so many other true crime channels that have followed this case very closely that are decent, respectful people which many viewers would much rather see than Hughes!!

[@SunFlower-sf1go]

GH is great. You don't like him because he won't sell you the BS you want to hear about RA! RA is absolutely bridge guy and bridge guy is the killer. Some of the other channels are pure 100% pro defense in this case and every case. Just like in the case with Melody Farris who was convicted today for killing her husband. The talking head pro defense attorneys were fully convinced she would walk saying there was reasonable doubt. Her defense blamed her own son, yet in the end, the jurors were smarter. Hopefully the jurors in this case see the truth otherwise this monster will be on the streets again and God help the next victim!

[@rna1561]

​@@SunFlower-sf1goexactly!!

[@gegaan]

@@SunFlower-sf1go i am still waiting on evidence that Ra actually did it, just because he was on the trail doesnt mean he is guilty, no evidence has been found besides the bullet, but that bullet is not proving guilt

[@izabela1961]

Because they are open to different opinions, thanks God. That's why I watch them.

[@malgorzatadymecka2959]

You mean these other channels that chant justice for 'poor Ricky' or the ones that blame completely innocent people with zero evidence, including family, instead of their 'Ricky'?

[@mrscary3721]

I was held in solitary confinement for 12 or 13 days back in 1978 when I was 17. You have no idea how hard it is and/or how quickly it can start mentally affecting you. 13 months solitary along with the 24/7 cameras. And other conditions and situations we'll never know about? Pretrial? Is beyond torture. In my opinion, ANYONE would've confessed 61 times to anything they wanted you to confess to by the 13th month. THAT'S beyond criminal. Especially pretrial. They need to spend more time looking at the sister, Kelsi. And, the Mayor of Delphi in 2017. Both are very suspect IMHO.

[@Darealjennifromtheblock]

Why are we not talking about the fact that the attorney generals team of lawyers are there. Watching anything that has to do with the prison. Guard testimony jail treatment. The warden is now removed from this prison & no longer there. There are active cases against this prison warden & guards

[@JessicaCarnahan-o5q]

After the judge jumped on the secret trial bandwagon I got curious. I was thrilled to hear justice would be served for these two sweet girls. After listening to those covering this secret trial, I am so utterly confused and angry at the law enforcement, prosecutors and judge. Why all the cover ups! Why all the nonsense! If Mr Allen murdered them - why hold a trial behind curtains?? Not so certain they have the right person. I do not believe one small man could actually do this alone.

[@andreadamato4482]

Yeah, i agree. He might be guilty, but why all the secrecy? Even after he was already arrested they refused to reveal any info at all. Why not televise this? Why were they so vague in the charging documents? And honestly, why did it even take 5 years to find this guy when he admitted to be there at the time right after it happened? If you look at all the other commemts on Delphi videos, it obvious that pretty much everyone thinks hes innocent because of the behavior of law enforcement and the judge. So now, even if he is guilty, no one will believe it. They should have been open and honest and released info to begin with, now the prosecution just looks shady.

[@daredevilx0816]

Look into Kegan Kline and Kelsi German. These two are far more likely involved than Richard Allen.

[@JessicaCarnahan-o5q]

@@daredevilx0816 wait, why her sister

[@5GreenAcres]

I think ole Gray Pubes was bridge guy since he seems to know so much about the fraudulent timeline.

[@iiiSK8orDI3iii]

​@@JessicaCarnahan-o5q because people still smoke crack

[@daleknox4586]

nobody thought it was dangerous for young girls to walk across a raised railroad trussell over a shallow creek??

[@LuvOneAnother]

I went there back in the 80s and It was not a safe bridge then. NOW they made it a tourist attraction. The families should be OUTRAGED. I would am..

[@Peepssqwik]

I know. Weird. Things are now more obvious to some. Common sense is not common.

[@ksho8196]

It was not the bridge that killed them.

[@tatianapavel9858]

If you belive they actually did...

[@WickedWest512]

Reasonable doubt . I'd rather see a guilty man walk than an innocent man locked up

[@FrankieLanette]

I usually alway am on the side of law enforcement. Something about this doesn’t pass the sniff test.

[@TJ20232]

This Gray guy is an idiot. Allen racked his gun and lost his bullet at the top of the bridge. How did it end up between their bodies? Maybe because a police officer dropped it?

[@Wilma529]

lol that is what I have been thinking for a while. They keep saying he racked the gun on the bridge, ok well then what, he is just walking around racking his gun flinging bullets all over?? You don’t need to rack a gun to scare two little girls with it. These people watch to many movies.

[@garnetandgold07]

Well, they did say it was a "magic bullet". So my guess is it was magic. 😂

[@fowlergirl11]

He picked it up and then it probably fell out during the struggle with Libby.

[@TJ20232]

@@fowlergirl11 you really think that's gonna happen during an abduction? It couldn't be proven the bullet came from his gun either.

[@marlenegreyling8620]

I've been asking this for a while now...why did Abby and Libby not recognize the "bridge guy" as "uncle Richard" or "Mr. Allen" from the pharmacy as it is such a small town?

[@SonetLandman]

Ah. Good observation 👏

[@steveoconnor7069]

How would we know if they recognized him or not?

[@marlenegreyling8620]

​@@steveoconnor7069I might be wrong, but did they not say so in the longer version of their video? That there is some man behind them?

[@moniquesnyder4123]

Wtf are talking about… why would they know him. I swear you people just be say stuff to say something.

[@Julei_]

​@moniquesnyder4123 💯 I'm reading these comments & just cannot believe the stupidity.

[@evanmoore6170]

Gray Hughes the most punch able face on the web.

[@KimBTown]

So what. He has great camera work. Tight timelines. And reasonable logic. I like his dogs.

[@paulasoutchek3747]

How come hes on camera all the time in prison. But le lost all film interviews during investigation and who's the figure on the trailcam. Say the name and the time. Not just a firefighter. Bring the firefighter in 4 questioning. Shoddy investigation.

[@SunFlower-sf1go]

What stupid question did you ask him? Or what stupid claim did you make on his channel?

[@evanmoore6170]

@@SunFlower-sf1go none just see the way he interacts with other people and his subs and he just comes off as a douche bag to me

[@davidclayton3831]

He looks 💯 like a child molester!

[@whodis1509]

Gray hasnt been in the court room. Why is he on

[@postpunkmmma]

To defend the timeline 😂😂😂

[@Austin-zq1oc]

Not only has he not been in there he takes shots at the women who are sacrificing to be in there. Called them idiots and mocked them. Then shows up in their chats and trolls their viewers. Shame on you Vinnie for inviting this guy, it's a really bad look.

[@postpunkmmma]

@Austin-zq1oc yeah I've seen that in Andrea's chats he's such a coward.

[@Seanisle]

Gray Hughes is a Lolcow 😂

[@FrankieLanette]

@@Austin-zq1oc yep, what really bad is when he acts as if other are crying and begging him to believe them, he starts his mocking crying act. What a piece of 💩 . This clown has zero respect for women.

[@legallyredone5561]

I want to see this case for myself! Open courtrooms should mean something.

[@slaws2279]

Well it IS an open courtroom even though it’s not televised. You’ll have to go to the courtroom in person if you want to “see” anything about this case.

[@kathleenrose4820]

​@slaws2279 That's the problem. Gull turned this into a miserable circus. Should have been televised, at the very least audio.

[@hiarhu746]

@@slaws2279 That's a woefully inadequate copout in 2024. The courts need to stop allowing the constitutional right of public access to be arbitrarily limited to whomever gets there first. There's no justification for any criminal trial happening in the dark with information filtered through state approved sources.

[@stoneneils]

You are why the court was closed, its not your business nor a circus.

[@lhr8833]

@@slaws2279 Even for those that have to be there overnight to get a spot, the judge and prosecutor are still limiting the trial for them. They are ordering the witnesses to not talk in the mic. This trial is not a public trial in any way, is unconstitutional.

[@davidclayton3831]

Shame on carroll county. You tried to kill this man to cover up for the real killers. Disgusting

[@postpunkmmma]

Ew GHI. VINNIE STOP HAVING THIS GUY ON 😭😭😭😭

[@JennWitherspoon0309]

This seems like it was targeted they were snatched not long after arriving so crazy

[@Mamabananaz69]

For real

[@doonesbury-u3h]

Since the jury now has the case, it's redundant to comment. However, Joe Public needs to remember that there are ZERO prosecutorial podcasts only defense attorney podcasts. Apparently, prosecutorial podcasts in these kind of trials are a public no no. Gray Hughes, not an attorney, does not have these restrictions so at least the public can get a different perspective. However, at times GH is caustic and rude, which in my general experience with lawyers is par for the course with prosecutorial lawyers. It's probably a good generalization, that they are widely detested.

[@valerierodger]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@doonesbury-u3h 🙄​​⁠​⁠ you say that while watching a show that is *hosted by a former prosecutor* G.H.’s attitude is not typical of any of the prosecutors I have watched or dealt with. I don’t tend to watch a lot of defence attorneys because I do find them rather biased, but there are a few who I respect for their fair and impartial takes. Lawyer You Know is a civil attorney who is often joined by his father who is a prosecutor. His is probably the most objective take from a lawyer that you can find on KZbin in any case relating to any case. Andrea Burkhart is a defence attorney, but is doing an excellent job of reporting the facts in an objective manner. And prosecuting attorneys aren’t the ones who are widely detested. those would be the defence attorneys. The biggest problem with Gray is that he tries to present himself as providing the facts, but he makes up his mind early on and presents an argument in which he omits inconvenient facts and misrepresents others

[@doonesbury-u3h]

@@valerierodger N. Depends on the case, but generic studies seem to view defense more favorably than prosecutors who by necessity advocate some form of guilt. Therefore, there are zero prosecutorial podcasts in high profile cases. ALL the attorney styled podcasts are from defense point of view so Joe Public gets a slanted view. How many know that Bob Motta, Court TV lawyer is actually a part of RA's defense team? GH, not a lawyer, is not bound by prosecutorial restrictions. He can be rude, snarky, and obnoxious but at least the public can get a different view. Anyway, redundant now as jury is in. I can easily see a hung jury but not so much an acquittal.

[@davidclayton3831]

Gray hughes knows nothing. Everyone switches off when he comes on😂 Hes talks crap😂💯

[@malgorzatadymecka2959]

He knows every tiny tidbit about this case, probably more than some of these slacky investigators.

[@mariatorres9789]

​@@malgorzatadymecka2959So what? If someone is such a jersey nobody can learn anything, or question anything, there's no point in the guy doing anything besides sharing paper work for others to cover.

[@FrankieLanette]

@@malgorzatadymecka2959 GH is a narcissist

[@malgorzatadymecka2959]

@@FrankieLanette true crime is not a popularity contest

[@malgorzatadymecka2959]

@@FrankieLanette all these other creators chasing conspiracy hot crap just to gain popularity, because reality is boring and fantasy brings views, should be ashamed of themselves. They are riding on the backs of two young girls.

[@TJ20232]

Anyone else think they were trying to push him into suicide so they could box off the case without the need for a trial?

[@LuvOneAnother]

I THINK they are DEPENDING on that during APPEAAL then case closed.

[@TJ20232]

@@LuvOneAnother I hope he stays strong tbh. I don't think he's guilty

[@DonaldTrump2024-j9o]

Yes, they want him to commit suicide because there case is terrible. Suicide makes it convenient to then close the case rather than do a better job investigating and testing DNA.

[@tonilharmon]

Yep. I think that's exactly what they were hoping for.

[@TJ20232]

@tonilharmon The defense is prohibited from mentioning certain names or words, including: Odinism Cult or ritualistic killing Brad Holder Patrick Westfall Johnny Messer Elvis Fields Ned Smith Rod Abrams Kegan Kline Jerry Kline Ron Logan The judge ruled that there was no connection between any of these names or topics and the case. 1. Odinism and Asatru There is factual evidence that Odinism and Asatru is involved in the murders. 2. Cult or Ritualistic Killing The murders were ritualistic in nature. 3. Brad Holder Brad Holder, a suspected serial killer and possibly a federal informant, has allegedly bragged about the murders since the beginning. Many tips called in to law enforcement named him. Abby was reportedly dating Brad Holder’s son, Logan, at the time of the murders. Brad Holder is linked to the Vinlanders, a white supremacist group. 4. Patrick Westfall Westfall allegedly confessed to his involvement in the murders in an interview on the "Sleuths Intuition" KZbin channel. He lived near the Monon High Bridge and was implicated in planning the Flora fire. Like Holder, Westfall is associated with the Vinlanders. 5. Johnny Messer Messer was reportedly involved and had close ties with Holder, Westfall, and Fields. He too is linked to the Vinlanders and was actually a recruiter for the group.. 6. Elvis Fields Fields allegedly confessed the details of the murders to two of his sisters. They were interviewed and passed polygraph tests. Fields knew specifics about the crime in 2017 that weren't made public until 2022. Fields is also associated with the Vinlanders and was a probate. 7. Ned Smith Smith was likely present at the crime scene, although his exact involvement is unclear. He helped fund an attorney for Elvis Fields. Like others, Smith is linked to the Vinlanders and was a probate. 8. Rod Abrams Abrams may have also been at the crime scene. His involvement is unclear, but he was in charge of finding and contacting the attorney representing Elvis Fields. He is another Vinlanders associate and a probate.. 9. Kegan Kline Kline was connected to Libby’s social media but was cleared of involvement in the murders. He was involved in child pornography and, despite being cleared two weeks after the murders, law enforcement suspiciously asked for public tips regarding Kline and his "Anthony Shots" social media profile four years later. 10. Jerry Kline Jerry Kline, Kegan's father, was not involved in the murders. Kegan, known to be a habitual liar, implicated his father in the case. 11. Ron Logan Logan owned the property where the bodies were discovered. In 2017, the FBI stated that Ron Logan resembled the man on the bridge in the video found on Libby’s phone, known as "Bridge Guy." The FBI also used voice analysis and claimed that Logan's voice matched the one saying "down the hill" in the video.

[@clairkeleher5437]

How do you not spend $10K to get a height range of bridge guy?! Makes no sense. Wtf LE?!

[@mariatorres9789]

Feds did it & said the guy was 5'10"

[@Shurmash]

​@@mariatorres9789which is much taller than Richard Allen. The problem is there were several men in the area that day and none of them have been arrested. The only man that didn't have a connection to the girls is the one on trial. Other men had contact with the girls online and possibly in person. They're not suspects though...

[@garnetandgold07]

Bc they WANT it to be RA and nobody else. Tunnel vision bc they completely destroyed the investigation.

[@garnetandgold07]

How does an FBI agent working on the case get unalived by a CO?

[@tonilharmon]

​@@mariatorres9789RA is 5'4".

[@Ringring4025]

How is the truth suppose to come out when the judge won't let the defense do their job? We all want justice, but that needs to be for both the girls and for RA if he is innocent.

[@RandomlyRandom2025]

Well he's guilty so no worry there.

[@ericcabral5972]

Exactly...justice will not be done convicting the wrong g person

[@ericcabral5972]

Why was FBI kicked off the case?!🤔

[@TrashyPanda420]

He has admitted to it multiple times, he’s not innocent

[@catH727]

@@TrashyPanda42061 times

[@ashlynscool238]

Oh GOD you HAD to have Gray Hughes on 😦VINNY HES THE WORST!!!! HORRIBLE LOOK FOR THE SHOW!!!!!!!

[@skeletalwreck]

Vinnie himself is the worst part 🤣He overhypes everything, its cringe. He talks about Allen like he is as good as guilty and convicted, now today he pretended to care about what he has been in max security segregation for so long.

[@BILLYRFCNO1]

@@skeletalwreck RA is guilty for fk wit he confessed to things only the KILLER could have known

[@skeletalwreck]

@BILLYRFCNO1 sorry, I'm not sure what language you are trying to speak.

[@danahsutton101]

Andrea Burkhart has a KZbin channel covering the trial reports information not shown in mainstream media.

[@rna1561]

No please don't watch her channel...unless you want just defence POV and inaccurate info.

[@ninchen931]

@@rna1561 ​ The opposite is true. Andrea Burkharts notes and info are the most accurate. No better source from inside the courtroom available.

[@saltyseale8561]

​@@rna1561 Andrea is amazing in her nearly word for word note taking of the trial. You obviously don't like her telling the truth because it goes against your feelings of RAs guilt. Sad.

[@Shurmash]

​ @rna1561 what are you talking about? Andrea is the most unbiased channel that I've witnessed so far. All she does is present the truth. If you don't like that don't watch her channel. People have this man guilty but yet evidence is saying otherwise...

[@jenniferhoff1630]

She’s amazing!

[@valeriemiller7343]

Keep thinking that it was someone that knew the girls, knew they would be there. Not just someone randomly there to do the crime. Just a thought.

[@JessicaD.-vb9ho]

It's fact that they went there to meet KK. But he says they didn't show up and I mean we all know he must have so much integrity in order to take his word for it right, he's definitely going to let us know if they did. Wtf

[@Shurmash]

One of the girls contacted her boyfriend on the 12th so they could meet on the 13th at the woods. They weren't going there for no reason.

[@Dr.Gunsmith]

This case is full of holes and inconsistencies it’s totally FUBAR, the police dropped every ball.

[@XfilerForever]

Agree! The Police focused all there energy on One Suspect this was botched from the beginning. I believe the Jury will not unanimously agree on a guilty verdict. The big thing that really bothers me is how RA has been detained for this long his treatment by the State is and should never have been allowed for as long as it has!

[@Crystal_Blue_Persuasion]

Mr. Politan, please vet your panel members. If you read through your comment section you will find that many, myself included, do not find him either open minded nor credible. He's very confrontational and has been trolling at least one Delphi content creator and threatening law suits for those who disagree with him.

[@valerierodger]

I can understand why they keep having him on because he knows so much about the case, but they really have to get familiar with the details themselves to call him out when he is leaving out details, or deliberately distorting them to fit his narrative

[@tammymartin880]

@@valerierodgerHe was fed the information,and is paid to spew it!

[@tammymartin880]

The fake video started at the High School.

[@idahardy4052]

Please stop having Gray Hughes on until he gets a better audio system. He’s a sick man who says disgusting things on his channel and it’s surprising to see you talking to him. That bullet had been cycled three times. How many times do you cycle the same bullet? That’s a law enforcement thing - not a hobbyist shooter.

[@SunFlower-sf1go]

Are you one of the kooks who is blaming a random police officer for the crime?

[@stelmosfire11]

How do know prosecutors aren’t using his content of 7 years to build their case?

[@AngelPrissy]

That's not advisable

[@mariatorres9789]

​@@SunFlower-sf1goCould've been anybody, and yes, it's very likely some cop on the scene checked their weapon, & they chambered another bullet & that one kicked out.

[@tonilharmon]

​@@mariatorres9789I think they got it when they searched his house. I also think they may already know who really did it and are covering it up.

[@MichaelLopez-o3c]

IMAGINE IF HE IS INNOCENT?

[@jenniferhoff1630]

He is

[@sewhapi2347]

How embarrassing with alll the mistakes !!!! My God they are lynch mob towards Richard Allen. This is so terrible! This is Horrible!

[@Tereselynn]

Brad Weber is starting to look really suspicious!!

[@malgorzatadymecka2959]

How can he be in Lafayette at 2.02 and be the bridge guy at 2.13? Obviously he is not the guy.

[@TJ20232]

​@malgorzatadymecka2959 that all hinges on the fact that the guy on the bridge actually killed them.

[@skeletalwreck]

@@malgorzatadymecka2959 he has changed his story a few times. When first interviewed on camera by news reporters, he lied about the time and place of his whereabouts at the time. That was brought up plenty at the beginning. Over time I hear less and less about it.

[@malgorzatadymecka2959]

@@skeletalwreck what he said in tv interview doesn't matter. What matters is the clock out log and police verified he clocked out at 2.02. Cellphone data corroborated it too. I'm actually happy he said something different in a tv interview. Makes it even more ridiculous to believe Wala fed Allen all this very specific information. Only proves the general public can't have known this.

[@Shurmash]

Brad Weber lives right next to where they were found. Brad Weber owns a 40 caliber SIG Sauer handgun that couldn't be ruled out using forensics. He had a shed on his property and some people said they saw cut sticks and blood inside of it. But he's not a suspect though...

[@Melody-st4df]

IMPORTANT : Magnolia from JLR Investigates who has been following this case closely from the beginning in 2017 has reported that Brad Webber's alibi WAS NOT CONFIRMED by law enforcement at the time.

[@jeanniesmith3356]

I heard he has a brother?

[@cvp2000]

That guy's a hack

[@nickjohns8850]

What at work until 2:02pm? WOW,pretty sure Subaru has that on file,then a 25 minute drive home.

[@Longhornnation1212]

JLR the same guy that’s yelling at him being a child murderer at the beginning, same way he did Karen Reed. His so quick to judge without all the information

[@jeanniesmith3356]

@@nickjohns8850 A black hatchback suburu?

[@queenbeedat8726]

Didn't Brad Weber when first questioned told policr he didn't go right home after work that day but serviced his ATM machines? Why change the story?? Unless to remove himself from the area initially and then change his story to fit the narrative. ?

[@yuoiyuoi899]

The problem is not Brad Weber but RA's detailed, start to end, confession to Dr. Wala. As a part of that, RA confesses that he sees a white van, it scares him, he moves across the river, and so on. The defense is trying to pin the blame on another suspect by challenging the timeline. The problem is there are currently only other phantom suspects.

[@joanbaczek2575]

I think he went home to switch vehicles then did atms. He always used his car servicing atms. Perhaps that’s why there is miscommunication about when his white van was seen

[@Shurmash]

​@@yuoiyuoi899what do you not understand about this man being psychologically tortured, his family threatened, and he was given intramuscular injections of a very powerful psychotropic drug? They forced him to confess just like they forced him to be the person who did it. Richard Allen is innocent. And I hope he sues the hell out of that City for ruining his life. The FBI and his first attorney both believed that Odinism is involved and I agree because that murder was ritualistic.

[@garnetandgold07]

They specifically asked him if he would go home first before servicibg atms and he said no. ​@joanbaczek2575

[@Dee-if7qc]

@@queenbeedat8726 Any friend could have been driving his van, & met up later. They claim that section was searched. Their bodies could not have been missed. They surely were moved & hidden or abducted & returned to be staged after the search was called off. Libby was athletic muscle & weighed @ 200 lbs. I don't see R.A. moving her by himself. Truly exasperating lack of common sense!

[@babedie8534]

The KZbinr on here is not helpful. Barbara Macdonald has been the most informative.

[@slaws2279]

“I think,” “we don’t know,” “I’m kinda curious . . . .” Who cares about Gray’s opinion? He knows nothing.

[@davidclayton3831]

He's useless.

[@GibboFrank]

She literally tweeted out yesterday the wrong information

[@AudretteK]

She messes up with information as well. Example she brought a drawing of Abby having horns/antlers on here about a year ago and then during the trial she saw the actual crime scene photos and both macdonald and Motta said they saw Abby didn’t have any for it was false

[@AudretteK]

@@GibboFrankyep you can count on BM to mess up info

[@justbrilliant9560]

I have a friend that walked in to a police station READY TO CONFESS HE HAD JUST KILLED HIS OWN FRIEND! But, it so happened that his friend in question was actually alive and well! My friend was in a psychosis, he had not even encountered the mentioned person and he had not hurt anyone AT ALL. It was hallucinations that made him believe he was guilty of such a horrific crime. It was visions that were totally false. These visions did actually not even align with his personality and usual behaviors. He felt VERY BAD about what (he thought) he had done, which led him to go to the police to confess. Fortunately, he was free to leave the police station because they quickly understood his condition, thank God, so when he eventually felt convinced he had done nothing, he left and went home! That’s HOW CRAZY a person can get during the “right” circumstances, and this breaking point is individual. It’s unbelievable how many people don’t understand that these things actually happen, and it can happen to anyone! Everyone clearly needs to have some basic education in psychology, that has become obvious with this trial! Whether Richard Allen is innocent in this case or not, it’s SUCH A SHAME that people cannot even comprehend that someone in a situation like his could make false confessions! There are different reasons for false confessions happening. Visions that make you believe you’re guilty is of course one of them. Another is a prolonged period of extreme discomfort that the person believes will stop if they just tell the police what they want to hear, even though they believe they’re innocent and don’t recall doing anything of what they’re confessing. They are in desperate need to get out of the situation but can not think clearly because of a deteriorating mental state. They have already told the truth again and again and have stood by their innocence for a long time but law enforcement just REFUSE TO ACCEPT IT, and remember law enforcement are in power over the incarcerated person, they decide what happens to them, they’re in control of the suspect’s whole life in a way, which is why some suspects will try to please them with false confessions in hopes of some mercy, some relief. Put enough pressure on a suspect in incarceration, particularly in segregation, and a false confession is not uncommon to happen. You can also start to question yourself, your sanity and therefore question your innocence, because law enforcement continues to tell you that you are guilty, that they have all evidence needed, that there is no doubt about it (although they’re lying to you). If you’re pressured and LIED TO by law enforcement day after day while you’re incarcerated, that will EVENTUALLY break you down! Eventually you will say anything if you think it will make it STOP. Being incarcerated, alone and constantly lied to by law enforcement for a long time will make you delusional faster than you might think.

[@kimberlypainter5169]

I have experienced psychosis. It's absolutely terrible. And confinement of any kind will make you cray. I was on bedrest for 6 weeks. I was not allowed to move without someone being with me. I could only leave for 30 mins. I had my phone and TV, and nurse interaction, but I started to loose it. My anxiety Sky rocketed. Your mind goes absolutely nuts.

[@Rosy43hh]

Exactly and that environment can make one create false memories

[@skeletalwreck]

@@kimberlypainter5169 Me too. I barely remember going into hospital and the whole first week was a blur. I could have probably been talked into confessing anything, and I'd never even know.

[@dianealarcon8304]

Maybe, after he committed the crime his MH issues were exasperated. He did check himself into a MH facility 2-wks after the girls were found for S-thoughts. Guilt can cause anxiety, depression, and make some people confess. 🙏🏻🪦🪦☮️

[@angel_with_horns23]

100,000%!!! People do not understand what it's like; if you have not experienced psychosis, you will NOT be able to comprehend it. There are just no situations or experiences that even compare, and words fall short most of the time. I tried to explain it to my sister, who went into the Delphi Case thinking that RA was innocent and now thinks he is guilty. I went into this thinking he was guilty, and I now have my doubts. I just don't know anymore, and I am hoping that the jury does not rush to a decision on this. I am so thankful I am not on that jury having to make the decision about this man's life. (And while I am at it, YES I KNOW that this is happening because 2 girls were murdered. I WANT JUSTICE FOR LIBBY AND ABBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) But tbh I am still not convinced that RA (entirely) was at fault. To me it's more likely that someone passing through the town at the time happened to do this, got startled- maybe by Richard Allen HIMSELF- and they moved on and disappeared after this to never be found again. I am hoping that in the future, our DNA analysis techniques will be so advanced that we will be able to prove without a shadow of a doubt that it WAS or WAS NOT Richard. Until then, I just feel bad for everyone being dragged through this.

[@jornhesl4707]

There is reasonable doubt that Allen's confessions are genuine, therefore he should be freed

[@FrankieLanette]

RA confessed to sexually molesting several family members. I don’t believe it, he confessed to too many things and the people he confessed to doing these things to said it never happened.

[@korzer]

Why do they keep disputing wether Allen's car was there? Or where he parked? He already came forward years ago and said he was there, what car he drove and where he parked...

[@nanimick1]

I unsubscribed from Gray. Offended by how he talks to his subscribers. Michelle After Dark or Michelle Walks isn’t rude and has a lot of valuable information and common sense with a rich background that makes her so good at true crime investigations.

[@tonilharmon]

Her channel is amazing. She offers only known verifiable facts. She's the best there is, imho.

[@michael-lynn]

One of the witnesses that day were walking the trail toward the bridge and said hi to a large man that they passed by. They said this man did not respond to them saying hi. Well, Richard Allen says in his confession, after killing the girls, he avoided the main trails on the way back to his vehicle. This would mean there was another man there around that time and he was large and not very friendly. Also Richard Allen is not what I would consider a large man by any means. I would like to know why Carter dismissed the FBI and demanded all their materials. Were they focusing on someone else? I would like to know.

[@zanzah_]

It means RA is a liar, but OK 😅

[@zanzah_]

RA was obese at the time ie A LARGE MAN

[@zanzah_]

RA was 0bese at time. Ie a LARGE man. Nobody said anything about height.

[@paparinaderpour3097]

I am wondering about FBI guy being laid of also😮

[@justbrilliant9560]

@@zanzah_The word “large” about someone’s appearance does not ONLY refer to being overweight or obese, it’s common to use that word for someone who is overweight AND tall. People use it differently! But I’m sure the witness also gave their estimation on the persons height.

[@pauleng77]

State didn't prove their case. No follow up on mail man guy and where is the investigation into their social media contacts? The man was right down the road from Abby's house?! Unfortunately cops got it wrong on this one and too single focused on one person to be their narrative. Prayers for healing to all families this has involved and destroyed.

[@esmelaubser7704]

How can you fake not sleeping for days

[@theresarasche3173]

Boy…that bridge looks so dangerous to me 😮

[@steveoconnor7069]

There were 3 little girls who died from smoke inhalation via an arson fire in the nearby town of Flora and that crime has gone unsolved as well.

[@Shurmash]

Something else very suspicious is that one of the first investigators and the polygraph examiner both died under mysterious circumstances. What's very strange is that the female polygraph examination died in her house with her children. That whole place is just cloaked in darkness and evil. I believe that they got rid of anybody who was on to who really did it.

[@nancykennedy8511]

4 I believe 🤬

[@RowanCoates-u3j]

@@steveoconnor7069 were they about to report abuse?

[@steveoconnor7069]

@@RowanCoates-u3j No. It was/is a hate crime. The little girls were mixed race.

[@michelletaylor4211]

There were 4 girls in the Flora fire , that was determined to be arson. Unsolved, and just a short while before Abby and Libbys murders.Also the lady that did Elvis Fields sisters polygraph was also killed in a fire, determined to be arson.

[@jeannemarie5908]

There is reasonable doubt. I couldn’t convict someone when reasonable doubt exists. Indiana.. yeah, I am not seeing the judicial system working responsibly in Indiana. Terrible. Justice for these two girls.

[@raptorman48]

The jurors heard his voice he is the bridge guy he was caught on video there is no reasonable doubt with that fact! He told those girls to go down the hill it's as plain as day!

[@BeABetterPersonToday]

Absolutely nothing is right with the way this has been handled. 100% reasonable doubt.

[@sixtosoliz5651]

@@raptorman48 Thank you, Mr. Magoo!!

[@raptorman48]

@@sixtosoliz5651 No problem!

[@kathleenrose4820]

Perfectly stated. I will not be surprised if RA is acquitted. What a fiasco. LE screwed up. Prosecution has a weak case with junk science and shaky confessions. This is a smart jury.

[@davidclayton3831]

Bob motta is excellent. Gray hughes is a world class 🤡

[@SonetLandman]

Her cellphone could have been switched off long before the phone was placed underneath her body. Their bodies were only discovered the next day. Nobody really knows then exactly at what exact time they were killed. If I was a killer and my victims have cellphones, it would be one of the first things I would take, switch off or break. Now I am also wondering, how on earth would anybody who wanted to rape and kill that day knew he would get 2 victims presenting themselves there at that time of day? I think they were there because it was arranged for them to meet somebody there or whoever did that knew their where abouts like the people who dropped them off.

[@ellebar53]

@@SonetLandman Exactly!

[@tonilharmon]

Her sister dropped her off. They know she went to her boyfriend's house because she was caught on the cc cameras.

[@ellebar53]

@@tonilharmon Can't you imagine her sister telling someone her own plans and saying something in the way of... ' I'm going to drop them off...' and since it was to be a special event, maybe the first time the pair had actually crossed the bridge, the girls had been discussing it with schoolmates and others who would've known their plans to be out there? I've never been to Delphi but I spoke with a woman who is from the area on the phone one day who told me that she has never been up on the high bridge because of the heights and fear of falling

[@tonilharmon]

@ellebar53 No. I think the girls went there to meet someone without telling anyone. We already know KK was catfishing them.

[@ellebar53]

@@tonilharmon This is has been such a horrific unimaginable tragedy to the lives of Abby, Libby and Richard. Unimaginable being led around on a dog leash and subjected to abuse that God only knows....My heart aches and I cannot help but feel the pain of it throughout my entire being. If Richard is found guilty and IF he is guilty I will be disappointed but the pain in my soul will remain unchanged. God have mercy on us all. 🙏🙏🙏 In Romans 3:10-12, Paul is showing that everyone, including Jews, is "under sin" and cannot be shielded from God's judgment. In verse 13, Paul quotes Psalm 5 to emphasize that humanity tends to do evil and is full of falsehood, lying, and deception. Jesus also said that no one is good, except for God alone, in Mark 10:18

[@etomidatesuccinylcholine]

This new 'expert' is someone id hate to be alone with

[@verslanglais]

When the two sherrifs appear, isn't it the mustachioed one to the left of the screen who might also be a suspect? If so, then the phrase "we believe you are hiding in plain sight" is chilling. It's really weird how secret the whole trial is, not to mention the rumors of conspiracy and the horrible treatment of this person who is innocent until proven guilty. It makes you wonder whether he truly is.

[@lc285]

In court today Brian Weber stated that his car was black. Also, Weber testified he didn't check his ATM's that day, which puts him on the road about the same time it is stated that the girls went missing. However, he only drove his van pulling a trailer when he checked on his ATM's. Which means he would be driving his black car that Monday. Weber placed himself on that road at two different times, depending what RA confessed to? The question not answered what was Brian Weber driving that Monday? His black car or van with trailer?

[@malgorzatadymecka2959]

He has black subaru and a white van. You are a typical RA fan, always misinformed. Kuku.

[@lc285]

@malgorzatadymecka2959 - So which vehicle dis Weber drove that Monday. A black car or a white van pulling a trailer?

[@Shurmash]

​@@malgorzatadymecka2959Out of 50,000 tips no one pointed to Richard Allen. There was only one tip that mentioned Richard Allen's name, when he said that he was there himself. I believe he was trying to be a good citizen and help the investigation and unfortunately that screwed him over. And let's keep in mind that in the police files he was CLEARED of any wrongdoing. There are several men from that area who have very disturbing criminal records and involving children, especially Keegan Kline. There is a mountain of evidence pointing at other people being involved. And that's why that crooked judge wouldn't allow that evidence in, there's no way you could dismiss it in court. Everyone in the court would immediately know that Allan is not the right person. The FBI and his former attorney believes that Odinism is involved and I 100% agree.

[@malgorzatadymecka2959]

@@lc285 white van

[@lc285]

@@malgorzatadymecka2959 - I am a fan of facts, not people.

[@kerrib4670]

RA told them he was depressed,he seen his therapist everyday,the clothes he said he was wearing before he knew the victims had a picture of him and timeline caught him

[@LyndaKurzawa-eg3mx]

RA wasn’t arrested for 5 years. There was so much publicity about this case during that time. Everyone knew so much. I’m sure RA knew that too. I can’t believe that they had any evidence against him. It’s just so bizarre

[@crystalmerheb6344]

Gray Hughes keeps referring to the murders as HIM as if he knows it’s RA. He is so clueless.

[@fague3390]

So very sad, Rest in peace Libby and Abby. Can't even begin to imagine and experience vicariously the sheer terror these children went through.

[@kazzmatic22]

Omg Gray "ABBY WAS STILL ALIVE WHEN SHE WAS KILLED" jezus christ education needed for sure

[@5GreenAcres]

He must have been there. Ole Gray Pubes his "timeline" is a fraud and the media just ran with it. Maybe Gray Pubes is bridge guy. Now we are finding out bridge guy was CGI and so was the picture of Abby on the bridge.

[@meganpolk8565]

I just don’t believe that Libby and Abby were killed where they were found. I don’t understand how no one heard any screams. Yeah, he had a gun but after the first girl got her throat cut there is no way the other girl would still remain quiet. It’s hard to believe that someone did this in the middle of the day and didn’t get caught.

[@martafiord]

She could been in shock actually.

[@MichaelLopez-o3c]

Right

[@pwills7829]

@@martafiord And how would the killer know they wouldn't scream?

[@jandccarlisle3534]

The amount of blood found at the scene proves they were killed there.

[@amybaby0620]

What blood? There’s lack of blood at the scene considering one had her carotid artery severed the other nearly severed, and the other had her jugular cut. The blood couldn’t soak in to the leaves and there was only a place approximately the size of a hand towel of blood that was away from the girls bodies. There were no drag marks from them being moved either.

[@Peace-tk3gr]

This case is SO sad that I can barely follow it on YT. On another note, the police may have messed up the chance of a conviction with this alleged perp by treating him like a prisoner of war. Leaving the lights on all night plus extended periods of isolation is going to cast doubt on the confessions made by RA. I sincerely hope the right person is convicted. These two girls deserve justice.

[@redtez]

How can the witness say she has never seen this mailbox man before but also say that she never got a look at his face? Also, is there proof RA was at his mums? I may have missed it, but if there isn't any then surely we'd do good to remember Alex Murdaugh and his 'timely visit' to see his mum?

[@emmatinsley9364]

He was NOT at his mothers girl wtf are you even talking about

[@redtez]

@emmatinsley9364 did you not bother to listen to this at all? They said RA was at his mother's on the morning of the crime and as such can't be mailbox man - hence why I'm asking if there is proof of this

[@queenbeedat8726]

​YES HE WAS. ​@@emmatinsley9364

[@tonilharmon]

​@@redtezI'm pretty sure there is. The defense would not offer it of they couldn't back it up. And prosecution are trying to make him guilty. They would find out if it were true or not because they would not want him to have an alibi.....for anything.

[@jansliger8655]

This Bridge seems like a future black spot on Delphi's reputation. Also dangerous if more people try to walk out on it. I think it needs to be torn down.

[@marlenegreyling8620]

They have now erected a barrier at the entrance.

[@Dee-if7qc]

​@@marlenegreyling8620after wasting money repairing it. Smh. It's hard to believe no one had ever fallen through B4. Maybe they will tear it down after the trial and all appeals exhausted. It wasn't repaired as a railroad monument It was to make a tourist attraction. Pretty gross imo.

[@PenelopePitstop0078]

The investigation couldn’t be termed “complex” if all potential suspects weren’t timely investigated.

[@SiljaDogg]

I think this was a local man. And the reason for that,at least one of them is he knew that there was no school that day. I’m not saying it was Richard Allen but it might. But I think everybody knew that the kids had had a day off and the offender might even have a kid and that’s how he knew. He also probably knew that the Monan high bridge was popular among the kids. To summarise it, he knew school was off that day and he knew about this popular place. This might be one piece of the puzzle.

[@FrankieLanette]

There is a man that practices odinism that had a son that one of the girls had been messing around with. The same man admitted to a girlfriend he was involved and threatened her if she said anything. She took a lie detector test to this and passed. Yet law enforcement were dismissive to it. There is an FBI agent from Texas that was set to testify that it couldn’t have been one person and most likely was 3-5 people but he had a health emergency and the judge wouldn’t allow him to testify remotely. I’ve always believed the girls were there to meet someone. One of the girls parents said they would have never allowed their daughter to be there. The girls were dropped off by an older sister. I believe the judge is corrupt and that she may be involved with Odinism. Whatever happened there is corruption and a coverup. Very scary stuff.

[@tonilharmon]

​@@FrankieLanetteKK was catfishing one of them. Apparently, his father used his computer under his name, too. The girl was dating Webber's son. Webber didn't like the fact her mother was seeing a guy who wasn't white. Ol' Elvis told his sister he was there and wanted to know if the cops could get DNA from spit because he said he spit on one of them. The sister reported it to the cops, yet nothing was done about it. Why?

[@rerebebe36]

How can anyone think that 'guys' was directed at the two girls? What if that man was talking to other people?

[@absolutelynot1711]

I think they couldn’t put him in general population because other inmates would try and hurt him due to the severity of his charges

[@absolutelynot1711]

But I don’t understand why he couldn’t be in solitary in jail? Idk if that’s better tho

[@NKTB210]

Let’s talk about the fact that Gray Hughes was communicating with Monica Wala years ago about the white van. It was no smoking gun or secret fact.

[@WVgrl59]

Richard Allen described himself wearing the same clothing as the man going toward Libby's phone that abducted them, he was there between the golden hours of 1:30 and 3:30 he said, and he was seen by Witnesses wearing exactly what bridge guy was wearing and what he said he was wearing.

[@verucasalty5]

He didn't actually say he was wearing the same clothes. Check out andrea burkharts coverage, she's reporting word for word from the trial.

[@emmatinsley9364]

Exactly he did it I don’t understand how everyone had bought into the defense bs

[@moisesmontecillo7570]

Well where's the clothes?

[@Rubberducky24688]

The witnesses never seen RA. They never gave a single description of him. There's no mistaking a 5 foot 4 man as been abnormally short for a man.

[@JessicaD.-vb9ho]

So was RL and he actually lied about his alibi so what are you on about?

[@Rosy43hh]

Brad weber says police gave him a lie detector test. What were the results?

[@M0MMA.B34R]

@@Rosy43hh cops probably lost that too 🙃

[@ferrari251]

This guy Gray is very gross. He has a disgusting imagination, no evidence. Just his gross ideas.

[@AmySmith-d1c]

This guy could be guilty, but so much reasonable doubt - opinion from a New Zealander

[@Harnesk36]

I'm getting more and more interested in Brad. Richard Allen said in one of his confessions that Brad came in his Van and RA was disturbed? Let's say Brad arrived a little earlier saw the girls up on the bridge, stops below goes up the hill and comes behind the girls and says.. guys down the hill..? It also explains the lack of movement and steps for 7 minutes in the health app on the phone. Have Brad's buildings been searched by dogs and examined for blood? In my eyes, he is more and more suspicious the more you hear from the trial. I also have to say that Doug Carter doesn't seem to have all the horses at home! How can he ask the FBI to stop its work? Moron!

[@jillbishop4250]

@@Harnesk36 I agree completely with everything you said. I have the same theory it was Brad

[@paparinaderpour3097]

I totally agree with you, this guy obviously hiding something

[@lhr8833]

@@Harnesk36 Isn’t he the one that also asked if he would be in trouble if his DNA was found in the girls?

[@bambinaforever1402]

@@lhr8833no, that would be richard allen

[@Stroopwaffe1]

40mm si sauer too, could not be cleared.

[@LauraOC714]

Driving me nuts. Did this Webber guy have a cell on him or was seen by any street/business surveillance that day to confirm whether he went straight home or not??

[@catH727]

KZbin guy, RA said he was at the bridge, not at his moms all day.

[@ellebar53]

I don't believe Libby and Abby was chosen randomly. They had to be planning to meet someone there

[@LyndaKurzawa-eg3mx]

That’s a good point. Her cell phone would probably give that information.

[@Shurmash]

One of the girls had contacted her boyfriend on the 12th so they can meet on the 13th. They weren't going out there for no reason like people assume. Her boyfriend had to know that they didn't have school that day which meant they would have been free to meet there. There was probably other people that waiting for them down the hill. And I don't believe that Richard Allen was one of them. He had left the area before they had even gotten there.

[@MysticFIREFLY]

I believe that a catfish is involved

[@adelaceballos3902]

Richard Allen is the BG.

[@kitoleummuelotik2411]

I've never seen someone talk in circles so much without saying anything significant like GH. Except for Yellow Cottage cheese kevin 😅

[@Rosy43hh]

Bob Motta and Barbara are in the court everyday, GH isnt

[@lynettejoubert4291]

Now he's pshyco and totally mentally unstable? Afer being incarsinated? But before je were a normal functioning person?

[@valerierodger]

No, he already had issues before incarceration. Add in over a year of solitary confinement and you have the perfect recipe for a broken mind.

[@Leah_F.]

Exactly, and I would imagine that committing a crime that heinous would surely exacerbate his mental state.

[@theresarasche3173]

Please Vinnie, don’t downplay domestic violence! It’s a major issue for the women who are being abused! Women are being murdered 😢💔. We need to stop domestic violence in our country.

[@MEMELIFEBABY]

“She was still alive when she was killed after being redressed again.” Grey Hughes investigates cracked the case.

[@SunFlower-sf1go]

He meant she was alive when she was re-dressed and was then killed. He must have called you an idiot, lol!

[@Rosy43hh]

Why put her shoes on again if she's lying there I don't understand that

[@mmay6621]

@@Rosy43hh maybe he planned to take her with him but got scared and ...

[@joanbaczek2575]

Yeah I had to relisten twice! For a guy who miss speaks shouldn’t be calling others an idiot

[@LuvOneAnother]

I CAUGHT THAT ALSO. it sounded VERY unintelligent.

[@jansliger8655]

I think a closer look back at the girls actions and phone records need to be considered. There must have been a reason they were followed or led to the bridge that day.

[@amybaby0620]

Libby’s phone pings at a different location that evening but the judge wouldn’t allow it in the courtroom

[@michelletaylor4211]

​@@amybaby0620Judge is disgusting 🫣

[@TierTalk]

You keep digging for the answers until you can get a perspective you agree with. Sometimes the answer is right on the surface and it requires no digging.

[@lindsayparker3229]

This case is insane.

[@jendee1260]

his fan club is insane. people like that are why the oj’s & casey anthony’s walk(ed) amongst us. should be ashamed of themselves.

[@noelswo549]

Totally agree

[@artvandelayRFC]

​@jendee1260 His fan club are also in the Bryan Kohberger fan club. It's a movie to them. They're even accusing the families.

[@kaymusictaylor7214]

He didn't spend one day in solitary confinement. Never. Not one minute.

[@tyraohara156]

Libby had an artery in her neck cut, hands bloody which makes since, probably grabbed her neck to apply pressure. Abbey had I believe a jugular vein cut, a slower bleed out with no blood on her hands? She had a slower death, according to ME, but didn't didn't grab her throat as a reflex? Something sounds off to me. I want Justice in this case!

[@Deadpool_XPeople]

I stopped following Gray Hughes. He’s a gross person. He acts like he has everything figured out… as long as you ignore the majority of the evidence and ignore ORIGINAL statements that have evolved to different stories throughout the years. This dude’s a clown. He outright called a lawyer providing precise notes “Stupid” on air. A lawyer… someone with extremely high intelligence and skill and knowledge. If she was the actual Defense Lawyer, sure Gray, accuse her of lying… but this dude is laughable. He’s a joke. Not sure what your creds are, but believing confessions of Richard AFTER BEING TREATED BY A TRUE CRIME ENTHUSIAST who happened to be the Dr talking to him EVERY DAY about the case… while he’s an INNOCENT man being treated worse than actual convicted persons… even Chris Watts has more rights than this guy.

[@thehoosiercraftsmanworksho1745]

830 am is different than 130 to 330pm. Not for sure if you know this ?!

[@garnetandgold07]

Staaaaaappppp having GH on! He harrasses and laughs at other very reputable podcasters who have been in the courtroom daily. He screeches and spews his jealousy at them. He is so incredibly bias and knows nothing. Never even been in the courtroom once.

[@shelleyturner1356]

Seems guilty to me. The time line, his vehicle, his confessions, his bullet, lived close, old stomping grounds, admits to having the same clothes. Box cutter. Mentally not right. The far fetched grasping at straws Odinist theory. Rediculous. And yes , police work could have beed way better.

[@MemoryException]

@@shelleyturner1356 And the white van!

[@nathangattis7400]

@@shelleyturner1356 and he is the guy in the video .

[@sarakarlss]

Too bad there is zero evidence against BK at all😂

[@malgorzatadymecka2959]

​@@sarakarlss who would have thought allen fans are the same people as bk groupies. Same level of kuku.

[@sarakarlss]

@@malgorzatadymecka2959 I am indeed a fan of all innocent people.

[@theresarasche3173]

I think this man is just a scapegoat for the lack of integrity in the investigation of these murders and the public wanting justice for these poor little girls 😢😢💔 My thoughts and prayers are with the families of those little girls who are never coming home 😢 The town needs new law enforcement!!!

[@jeromegarcia5396]

But the phone turns on and all messages are delivered then at 433am The area has bad cell coverage yes, but if the phone was off after 233, someone turned it on at 433, and if smoke is going to blown up my ... The statistical odds have had their fill because first its some random, next the video doesn't exactly identify, the evidence is poor, its been 7 years, the amount of predators in this secluded small area, kegan Kline, the suspect, , the cop who was arrested lying on paperwork, now they saying the phone just turns on for no reason... The 433am bothers me because lets say human hands turned on the phone, that would mean the suspect returned, this time period the search was postponed, meaning possible part of the civilian search team... Thats what I think is craziest about the facts, that 433 phone action... Someone knows that area as doing something like this... This isn't some random dude coming across TWO girls... IDK but what i do know law enforcement are criminally incompetent in this justice for the girls, SMH

[@ErinHACK]

12:10 Vinnie, you make me laugh!! LOL 😂Also, next time Gray is on, please ask him if he ever communicated with Monica Wala. I would LOVE to know the answer to that!

[@jendee1260]

people like the people that believe this man is innocent are why the oj’s & casey anthony’s walk(ed) amongst us. y’all are the reason we are headed for a lawless society. NONE of the bs “reasons/surroundings” around him, in ANY capacity, suggest he is innocent.

[@michaelwelch9123]

@jendee1260 the evidence doesn't need to suggest he is innocent, it needs to prove his guilt.

[@johnmike121]

Thank you!!

[@minilea25]

Who knows maybe they'll put you in jail next. If they can put him in solitary for 13 months with no conviction then they can do it to YOU TOO.

[@mandyxox]

lol the only thing those cases have in common are the fact the investigators did a sh!t job! I think Richard Allen is innocent but I never for one moment thought Oj or Casey were innocent for a second. The ‘evidence’ they have on Richard is no evidence at all IMO and many others. It shows reasonable doubt which is all that has to be proven here.

[@ngie1530]

Ikr??? They’re completely influenced for the lawyers that are being doing “analysis “ of the trial. They’re unhinged even promoting theories about Libby’s sister (not the lawyers) Poor families, the massive ineptitude of the LE plus this bias KZbinrs (not all) may cause they won’t recibe justice

[@dianarubia9039]

Solitary confinement doesn’t have TV access, Lap Top etc… Psychotics can’t turn the condition on and off. They also aren’t aware of surroundings so how does a Psychotic sit in court for this lengthy time with no unusual behaviors?!

[@NaveDelAmor]

Why can't autopsy reveal time of death (contents of stomach, etc), that would put to bed other theories.

[@belladamex767]

Is it so hard to believe that this man who's had a LONG history of mental health issues, who happened to be at the scene breaks down so badly to talk of murder and molestation during psychosis? a person with serious mental health issues did this or was there multiple crazy people on the bridge that day? 🙄

[@ameliaerhart1218]

Did Allen ever mention that he had them undress and put clothes back on one of them when he was confessing? Seems he would have said that detail in his confessions.

[@Shurmash]

He didn't. He also said that he killed his family members and his grandkids. His family members are still alive and he doesn't have grandkids. They broke this man psychologically and they tried to force him to confess. My problem is this, if he confessed so many times why didn't they get it on camera? We just have to believe what they told us he said with no real evidence. This whole case is nothing but a huge cover up.

[@tonilharmon]

No. He did not.

[@Emy53]

Who brought up the Udonis theory? Richard or his attorney, and how would Richard know if he wasn't there.

[@amybaby0620]

Actually LE and the FBI brought it up originally, the defense didn’t just come up with it out of nowhere.

[@ninjacat508]

Your guest neglected to say that RA was visiting his parents hours before going to the bridge. RA admitted to law enforcement, before his arrest, that he was on the bridge at the time. Therefore RA certainly can be the killer.

[@Actingbadly]

🎯🎯🎯💯

[@julietarossetti7426]

He could be. Equally plausible that he isn't. There were three girls on the trail that afternoon too; by the logic you're employing here, *they* could be the killer/s. (I think that's highly unlikely but I've yet to be made aware of proof *beyond a reasonable doubt* that Allen is guilty either.)

[@Noneofyourbusiness57817]

Yet he didn’t match any of the descriptions of the witnesses and there’s absolutely nothing linking him to the crime other than the confession of a man who was held in solitary confinement for 13 months and force fed drugs against his will until he had a psychotic break

[@shaddupfarva]

They said the phone experienced a 20 foot change in elevation. The bridge is 60 foot tall. Where is the other 40 feet in addition to the bank climb on other side of creek?

[@stelmosfire11]

@@Noneofyourbusiness57817he was there.

[@Kristin2885]

Was the mystery mailbox man wearing a blue Carhartt jacket, jeans, and a head toque? Was he dressed like Richard Allen and did he look (physically height/weight) like Richard Allen? Because if he wasn't, it's not your man. Don't forget, it wasn't Richard Allen, it has to be a virtual doppelgänger in order to match Libby's video.

[@BrianBirdsong-u2v]

He’s guilty

[@lawrencecoffee2878]

ATM machines all have cameras. Find out which ones he serviced and see if it’s somehow documented

[@username.invalid763]

Quit putting gray on here he is mean to people and rude and hasnt even been to trial

[@audrakesler1905]

They could have put him in jail in Carroll county or Tippecanoe County but he wouldn't still be alive.... How do I know?? Because I am from Brookston Indiana and live 6 miles from Delphi

[@Dee-if7qc]

Who has interviewed you?