Despite my best efforts, I ran out of reasons to believe - Clay Arnall

Today I spoke with Clay Arnall, who grew up in the Christian Alliance denomination but ultimately deconverted as he investigated the truth claims of Christianity.
We touched on many topics, including:
• Being taught that there were angels and demons all around him.
• Declaring his faith in Jesus multiple times to be sure that he was saved and not going to end up in hell.
• Seeing the hardcore Christian indoctrination dynamic of Christians not having a true option, without threat, to disbelieve or really investigate other worldviews.
• Observing the Christian assumption that "we're right and everyone else is wrong."
• Questioning the strong emphasis in many churches on everyone needing to "feel good."
• Thinking through whether the dopamine euphoria is actually evidence of a god's presence, realizing that people can artificially create and induce those feelings, and how that has "become Christianity" to many people.
• Being afraid that god might call him to be a full-time missionary, even though he didn't want to do it.
• Facing the mental gymnastics of god causing bad things to happen vs. bad things simply being the result of sin.
• Seeing that within Calvinism, people who are not elect have no chance to believe, but they are still condemned by god.
• The cognitive bias that leads Christians to think that god can do no wrong and that anything that happens in life is part of his trustworthy "plan."
• Realizing that much of Christianity boils down to carrot-and-stick dynamics.
• Learning that Christians have always had various interpretations of hell.
• Being told that god would reward him in life if he stayed away from alcohol and remained a virgin till marriage.
• Seeing most Christians ignore him after he deconverted.
• Realizing that many of his struggles with depression dissipated once he deconverted.
• Understanding that Christian theology amounts to psychological child abuse.
• The importance of trying to avoid unnecessary antagonism in discussions with loved ones who are still stuck in Christianity.
Many thanks to Clay for sharing his story and for all he does for the community!
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[@dorothyhusen6718]

“Christianity is a book club” 😂 ❤. I too began to question the Bible when I noticed that after/during my daily personal reading time that I felt bad about myself. I questioned, “why do I beat myself up every time I read my bible? Is that love? Is that how a love letter feels? I don’t think so.”

[@goodmanmthiyane5611]

❤

[@dagg310]

everyone should question the bible the minute they read about a talking snake convincing people to eat an apple which condemns humans for the rest of eternity. religion is about making u feel guilt and shame. if ur spouse did that to u, you'd call them a narcissist. every religious person thinks they're a piece of crap that needs saving from the entity that created them the way they are in the first place

[@angie12575]

No it isnt love. Jesus IS love itself Dorthey. No he doesnt want us too, or require us to beat ourselves (or anyone else) up. Anything else besides love, is of evil. Let me ask you this. If you say No God. OK then the flip side is evil right? So if no God, then is no evil. I see much proof of evil. I see much proof of good too. Love of family, love you have for your child. Love you have for a pet. Love is around too. So by denying good which is God. You deny evil which is the devil. A white lie is sin. A mean thought is sin. Love for a child is good. You don't have one without the other. Just like are some people who are some who are in professions they shouldn't be. Are some preachers who shouldn't be. Religion complicates things. Being a Christian actually breaks chains. It's choosing the love, the good, the helping. As Jesus did. It's choosing Jesus. It's not Religion. It's a way of life. We aren't perfect. I'm just a human. I mess up. The difference, I am just forgiven. Jesus teaches and leads us to do the good. To be love. But you do have to have good, as we clearly have evil. The world certainly given us many examples. Especially latley I have a question for you. It's been roughly 2000 years since Jesus died. BTW hes coming back soon. Why our world spinning out of control. As we were told it would. But why, in 2000 years. When someone gets hurt, use the name of Jesus as a swear word? If nothing to this. Why wasn't he forgotten 2000 years ago? No one says "oh Budda "when whacks hand with a hammer. Why? Because evil wants his name a swear word. Why? Because the Christians are right. Jesus is coming back. And its time to wake up. Jesus died by choice on the cross. To save us. Because he loved us so much. His blood if accepted will wash you white as snow. He was buried, rose again on 3rd day. And is alive forever more. And hes coming back. 2000 years later as promised. We all have free will. But hope you might consider what iv said. Peace to you Dorthey. I wish you well. ❤

[@CCelia1953]

A book club where they struggle to understand or comprehend their Cult❤

[@douglascutler1037]

@@dagg310 I think that talking donkey thing in Numbers is far more hilarious. Plus, Balaam is totally unphased by his talking beast and carries on arguing trivialities with it like it was totally normal, like some scene with Shrek and Donkey.

[@Lenergyiskey358]

I really like that description of Christianity being a book club. That one will stick with me. Thanks guys.

[@justinstorey6615]

The title alone describes my personal journey. I feel like a kid on Saturday morning when Tim drops a new video.

[@carolwilliams8511]

Same. It is the story of us all isn't it?

[@justinstorey6615]

@carolwilliams8511 Indeed it is. It's refreshing to have a channel like this were there are so many shared experiences.

[@carolwilliams8511]

Nasty comments from Christians. Yep. Says it all.

[@awakeenlighten2298]

Same!

[@byron739]

Oh, boy: that feeling when you find out you was fooled your whole life...😶😐😕😬😵😣😭😩😠😈

[@TrisjensChronicles1203]

Man, that’s when it hits hard. Kinda like how once Jim Carrey found Mr. Winky on Ray Finkle. Him crying in the shower is how it hits!! Very painful

[@fogsmart]

Well no, you have not been fooled. You made a choice to believe in a faith that’s based largely on scripture written over time by other people and given arbitrary canonicity whereupon all subsequent dogma and recognition of divine revelation and historical perspectives were theologically centric as opposed to empirically derived. In fact, belief in God, BibleGod, prophets and a divine saviour may well be Truth. You can’t know. Certitude isn’t part of the deal. It may also all be false, subjective and alive only in the minds of religious folk. The pursuit of academic scholarship, science, psychology and common sense suggest all our religious notions are low on a probability scale. After deconversion I tend to live in that reality. Experience in churches has left me wholly cynical of organized religion. Faith is personal. It should be kept there. Humility and openness to the possibility of something transcendent doesn’t seem like intellectual suicide, but beyond that…well. By default, we were not here, we are now, then we are not. Live in the moment, be in the present, love yourself, care for others, be charitable as you are able, and don’t look down too much on religious folk especially given some of us were right in there at the centre for decades. But do run from the fundies😝

[@goodmanmthiyane5611]

❤

[@totonow6955]

Great emojis. May I use the same line up? 😂

[@totonow6955]

​​@@fogsmartexcept that you didn't choose if you were a child. And come to think about it, you don't choose fully as an adult if you live in a culture that corals you into this. Oh and yes😊run from the fundies.

[@carolwilliams8511]

I was left with 2 choices. Either God didn't exist or He just chose to abandon me. The former makes more sense.

[@duckbrew]

This is one of the more thoughtful guests I think I've seen on here in a while. He's pretty compelling.

[@Chicken-dq9zg]

I think all of Tim’s guests are awesome!

[@colleenpowell5324]

I'm an ex-religious INFJ. I 1st heard Clay on KZbin regarding our shared personality type. I'm glad to know we have more in common. It's a tough place to be in....not fitting in...

[@athena3865]

INFJ here....Same.

[@jasminemariedarling]

Hi! I'm also an infj personality type and I'm currently deconverting from an intense 2 year Christian stint. I had become convinced that Hell and Satan are real & I always wanted to be on the good side of things, so I should worship the God of the Bible & I thought I had been wrong to dismiss that God & Jesus. I attended a church which was great actually but when I was reading the Bible on my own time & seeing all the insane horrible things the God of Israel did in the old testament I started questioning things. I'm still terrified of Hell, so I'm not sure about dismissing Jesus 100%, but I'm definitely not dedicating all my time to Christianity like I did for those 2 years. If anyone here has tips on how to get over the fear of Hell, let me know. Thank you ❤❤❤

[@donaldlawson1334]

@@jasminemariedarlingI’m sorry you’re struggling with this fear. I’m a former believer myself and the fear does hit me from time to time though it’s gotten much better. What’s helped for me the most is the following: 1. The Jews didn’t hold to the modern Christian view of hell. This is a later development within Christianity both in the New Testament and in church tradition. Much of the concept actually comes from Greek mythology which heavily influenced early Christianity (i.e. Paul the Apostle). 2. If there is an all loving god like the one modern Christian’s believe in, he wouldn’t send people to hell for not believing in him. And if he did, would he be worthy of our worship? Wouldn’t heaven with this evil god essentially be a form of hell? 3. It just isn’t true. After seeing all of the flaws within the belief system and its theology it has become clear to me it’s all man made. In my opinion hell has developed this way because those writing about it were suffering and desired justice against those inflicting the suffering. It could also be a tactic to keep people on the straight and narrow. A loving god who cares about people believing for the right reasons wouldn’t create this dynamic where people would believe simply to escape hell. What this does is creates fearful believers instead of believers who are simply attracted the truthfulness of his existence and his perfection, beauty, glory, majesty etc.

[@Mim39034]

@@donaldlawson1334 Thanks for that, it was very helpful. Well said. Those fears and doubts can be truly horrible. It's the brainwashing. I am getting them quite a bit, but only recently deconverted so it's to be expected. I imagine it gets much better with time.

[@sohu86x]

@Mim39034 16 personalities has been debunked fyi.

[@heatherclark8668]

I really appreciate Clay. He is so easy to listen to.

[@NomadOutOfAfrica]

Really appreciate this conversation. Thanks.

[@bernardofitzpatrick5403]

Hey Tim , hope things going better for you and your kids. Great vid ! Clay is cool !

[@Chicken-dq9zg]

It takes me a couple of days when my life is busy and I so enjoy every person’s journey out of Christianity.

[@Madhatter675]

This is one of the best interviews yet, thank you

[@clarrisapetrie9963]

What a great interview! I related in many ways! Clay, you have a beautiful, calming personality and spirit! Thank you for sharing your story! I will be looking up the podcasts you have made so I can hear more! Thank you again,Tim! You are the voice for the people who don't always have a voice or place to share their experiences and stories. When you feel alone in your thoughts and journey away from Christianity to hear people share everything you have thought,discovered, or feel, brings a sense of peace in and of itself!

[@awakeenlighten2298]

You hit 15k subs Tim! Congrats my friend! "Nature (the universe) has no use for ideas, culture, no use for religious thinking, and no use for gods." - U.G.

[@letahamilton]

I’m INFJ too. I was wondering where I recognized you from. That’s it! I’ve watched a ton of your content

[@scofah]

Yay! Excited to listen to Tim interview Clay!

[@athena3865]

INFJ here.... Thank You for sharing, also came from a musical family; played solo piano recitals at age 10. Music is the worship; they have no idea what they are really worshipping, otherwise. Thank You, Tim for another great interview.

[@Mim39034]

Highly interesting and fascinating conversation. I loved it! I Could also relate to a lot that was said. I just want to thank you, Tim, for this awesome channel of yours. I think I'd be lost without it at this point in my life. You deserve so much credit for the hard work you put into it, and the fact that you are opening peoples eyes to the truth and helping many, including me. I hope you doing this is helping you heal too. Excellent work! ❤️

[@thedarknessthatcomesbefore4279]

Great conversation guys. The one reason for loosing one's faith that is never mentioned by apologists... critically examining the reasons you believe and finding the reasons lacking. Wonder why they never mention it 🤔 obviously a rhetorical question, we all know why.

[@wisdomseeker3937]

What a great interview. Thank you guys. You both are awesome 👌

[@Truthseeker0926]

I remember forwarding the video of this young man, "Why I left Christianity ". I knew you two would hit ir off. This is hands down one of my favorites. 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@tklyte]

I thought the his name sounded familiar and now I know why. I once watched a video about why he left Christianity but didn't get through it, so it's good to have on.

[@stephenmansfield2722]

Great interview. The effect of The craziness we came to believe (many of my friends and I converted in adulthood) on their children (I never married nor had children) has troubled me for quite some time. I wonder what I might do to help others escape the lunatic asylum of Christian religious beliefs we voluntarily locked ourselves in.

[@petromusic23]

Wow! Excellent conservation. Thank you for posting!

[@jeffwatkins352]

Love the “Christianity is a book club” comment. So much to enjoy about this interview. Though I wish you’d spent a little more time on Midnight Mass. I was alerted to it by another youtuber. Genetically Modified Sceptic did a piece on it which moved me to watch the whole show. I then recommend it to my “born-again” sister, who also liked it. GMS recommended it specifically because it spoke to so many of the issues he and his wife faced during their deconversions. I’d love to see you interview them. Drew strikes me as the youtuber most like you, Tim, in that you both extend such loving respect to everyone around you.

[@herewegokids7]

Hearing Clays story gave me a glimpse of how my experience might have been different if id deconverted before leaving my marriage instead of after. Either way is hard enough.

[@betford2]

From Wikipedia... "On July 30, 1967, when she was 17 years old, she dove into the Chesapeake Bay after misjudging the shallowness of the water."

[@sidstovell2177]

Yet another aspect of the harm that christianity can do. Thanks, Clay. Best wishes for your and your children's future. Thanks, as always , Tim.

[@angie12575]

So a life of sin, living. Sleeping around, drugs, stds. Harm drugs do to you. Stealing, hating is better? Being a Christian is the opposite of all the above. So I'm confused how the above is better

[@EastSide-qc5oy]

@@angie12575 Yeah, everyone who isn’t a christian is living a life of drugs, promiscuity, and crime. Sure, Jan. If you need christianity to keep you from stealing and doing drugs, then by all means be a christian. Projecting that onto everyone is moronic.

[@nicki0346]

This was GOOD! 👍🏽 😊

[@paulvinsonhaler6811]

Amazing interview I can relate to his views so much. Also an INFJ.

[@iw9338]

Excellent thanks very much 😅

[@Yossarian.]

I had a similar, devastating epiphany the day I suddenly realised that chicken flavour crisps dont actually taste like chicken. From that moment on, I was no longer a crisp-ian. 😢

[@RandyAndy7373]

Well done🎉. Nice and deep conversation. Liked it. Especially the private issues that came along with the deconversion. It also confirms my view, that atheists take religion in all its structure and implications much more serious than average believers. The highly religious Edith Stein once said, that whoever is searching for the truth is searching for God, whether he knows it or not. Saint Augustine expressed a similiar opinion. Also the late Pope Benedict. In this regard both of these guys are wonderful and truely adorable persons❤❤❤

[@lizhoward9754]

“Christianity is a book club”….now that is a quote that makes sooooo much sense. I have always said the problem with Christianity is the Bible

[@defenestratefalsehoods]

1 hr 21 mins: He he talks about the versions of hell that developed throughout early Christianity. The biggest thing about Christianity is that there are so many denominations that you can believe whatever you want. Some don't believe Jesus was god, while most say he was God.

[@Fourwindsofsuccess]

Yep.

[@defenestratefalsehoods]

@BriTheNonconformist From there it goes into how much of the bible is true events and what is metaphorical. Then there are things that are and aren't gods words like: psalms 137:9 Happy is he who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rocks.

[@heatherclark8668]

Christian's say that Jesus knew what it was like to be a human being because he was one himself. But if Jesus didn't ever sin then he didn't know what it was like to sin. He didn't know the remorse and pain and guilt and shame that we feel when we sin.

[@rolandwatts3218]

1:44:45 "Messages need to be modified depending on the person". Yes. Yes. And yes again. This is one of the ways in which Christian theology can be so blind to its own faults, and so harmful to people. People are different in so many ways and therefore will respond to the one message in varying and often contradictory ways. For example, as you once pointed out Tim, Calvinist theology can be very comforting to some people but can cause extreme worry in other people. How does one know that one is saved? One person might feel that they know, and therefore live a comfortable Christian life. Another person will live, perpetually haunted by the fact that they do not know, not really, and thus will be scared that they could be slated for eternal conscious torment in hell. Yet, because Christians assume that their message is the one and only true message, given to them by God, then they have every right to teach the one message in the same way, and that all people will understand it in the same way, and so are free to accept or reject. But all people will not understand it in the same way. A part of understanding is also responding and one believer may respond with comfort and another with deep anxiety. Yet both people will have accepted the message. If only Christians could pull the blinders off and see just how much damage their theologies can do. 1:58:00 "psychological child abuse". Ain't it so funny though. There are those verses in the bible, 1 Peter 2:12-22, informing Christians to live such exemplary lives that we flock to them, wanting to know what they have which is so great. And if they are unable to live those beautiful lives then there are the other verses, John 14:12-14, informing them that all they need to do is ask and they will be able to do even greater works than Jesus did. Yet they still need threats of hell, and theologies like "filthy rags" to get and to keep people in the fold. Basically these make a lie of those other verses. Again. Brilliant discussion. +++ Heh. What stopped me from sleeping at night happened way back in the very early 1960s. Black and white TV had just been introduced into Australia. We did not have TV but friends did. I was about 11 years of age and we visited our friends. We children were so fascinated by TV that while the adults were talking in another room, we kids watched a Sherlock Holmes movie "The Scarlet Claw". The movie was about a murderer who roamed about the moors of Wales (I think) ripping out the throats of his victims with a garden weed pulling claw shaped device. I still remember that night, home in bed. It took me hours to get to sleep and every small noise made by the house or from the surrounding countryside, utterly froze me. For years afterwards, I slept in my bed, deeply hidden under the bedsheets and blankets. No demons in that one. Just a murderer with a claw shaped device, ripping out the throats of his victims.

[@zach2980]

The book club and VR goggles analogies are great!

[@subcitizen2012]

Not sure how to phrase it exactly, but the one thing that keeps me from being able to be Christian is the entire premise of it needing to believed. It's a set of unbelievable beliefs. Believing it doesn't make it so. But that's where you proverbially have to sign on the dotted line, a proverbial deal with the devil, to believe the divinity, but also believe the church or churches. If asked why I'm an atheist, my response is basically that Christians and churches won't let us be anything else, because they require that belief in unbelievable things component. If they were more inclusive and didn't require statements of faith, then we could all be Christians. But unfortunately, being open minded and promoting open and inclusive societies isn't their thing. I believe Jesus existed, I believe the movement he was a part of eventually became Christianity, I believe to an extent that the church was founded on him (not necessarily that he founded it, that parts dubious). When it comes down to it, I sometimes tell Christians that I believe in Jesus more than they do, and believe in religion itself more than they do because of this. There's a real historical Jesus and hisbmovement in a historical context which is tragic and beautiful in its own right without the need to condemn me and everyone else on earth for not believing ij the floaty heaven stuff, or the half wicked Old testament God. Ultimately, it's like they founded their system on the heresy of imagining things to be true, and that's something i can't change my mind on for their sake, my belief is I have ti have integrity and can only know what is known. Nothing was actually revealed with revealed religion. And it's why church goers and believers aren't any better than anyone else, they just believe the things for the sake of it, and often include a lot of questionable societal beliefs and norms in their views as well. At face value, they don't want to help save the world and they don't want their god to either They prefer the damnation and dangling the sword of Damocles of perpetual end times over everyone else's heads. It's pretty sick tbh. Anyway, thanks Tim!

[@EastSide-qc5oy]

“Not sure how to phrase it” and then you phrased it very well.

[@janinethealchemist]

Yes 👏🏽 another fire guest! 🔥

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

While directly arguing will not seem to change minds, mostly - a fact based attack on an irrational position can make other observers question their beliefs. If the believer is not being directly confronted, their is a chance for critical thinking.

[@dagg310]

nope. i've asked logical questions to christians and they either don't answer the question, say who are you to question god or they just get angry and stop the conversation. the cognitive dissonance runs deep

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

@dagg310 Firebrand atheists regularly get mail from people who say their approach has changed their mind. If not, No one would use this approach. The trick is not to confront an individual directly. Witnessing An exchange Between two other parties Can stimulate critical thinking if you were not personally attacked.

[@dagg310]

@@uncleanunicorn4571 I agree. But just showing the logical flaws doesn't work on everyone. The most die hards will just find excuses which is why they're called apologists. To change someone's mind they have to be willing to listen and most aren't because if they did listen they would see the flaws in a flawed story written by flawed men.

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

@@dagg310 Apologists are intentionally dishonest out of a will to believe, No matter the truth, The goal should be to deprive them of followers by stimulating critical thinking wherever possible.

[@Mr.PeabodyTheSkeptic]

I've been in real estate for decades. Investors, on average, buy logically. Mom and dad usually buy on emotion. Which is astounding but true. Even though, mom and dad buying a house is a much bigger decision for them than almost any investor I have met. ...queue religion.

[@JessBlake2]

Just so you know, Meyers-Briggs is not scientifically reliable or valid. It has the same qualities as astrology. It is so vague, everyone can identify with some aspect of all of the descriptions. And there are innumerable explanations for exceptions, eg. well that's because of Mars that day, or with MBTI, you were pushed to be more perform so you are extraverted in X situations. So as with astrology, if people are given random personality descriptions, they will identify their label. And they are unable to choose their "correct" label out of random descriptions. It's bunk.

[@JLFAN2009]

I have, for many years, had issues with Christ's death (assuming that he really was crucified, and if so, whether he actually died) really *atoning* for anything: look at the state of the world, then and now, and ask whether it truly is *redeemed*. True: Christianity represents progress in morals and social values; but the teachings are found in other religions, too. Thus, there would have been developments in the positive direction even without Jesus (assuming that he historically existed0 founding a new religion.

[@dagg310]

after adam and eve made their mistake, every person born after was born into sin. that's why we are all sinners from the minute we're born. that's what they tell us. so how did jesus avoid this rule? the minute he was born he also was born into sin and needed saving. it's a circular reference that makes no sense.

[@JLFAN2009]

There is tremendous irony, not to mention downright hypocrisy, in the Christian hymn "My God, I love thee, not because of a hope of heaven ..."

[@missheather4487]

You're a couple of great dads ❤

[@byroniac]

I don't know why some KZbin links don't work for me.... the first one for Clay does not (page not found), but the second one does, and if I go to his channel, it has a different URL than the first one given here.

[@HarmonicAtheist]

Thanks for letting me know, I found a way to fix it.

[@georgesherrill3371]

Jesus was a first century Jewish peasant. He would regard himself as a blasphemer if he claimed to be God. These facts should be the beginning point of any discussion about Jesus’ self awareness as to his divinity.

[@exvangelicarol5336]

As a christian, I always believed that god was sovereign, and would protect His holy message in the Bible. Ur work of uncovering the various mythologies in our holy scripture is blowing my mind🤯😁🥰 And freeing my mind of the mental gymnastics n cognitive dissonance. It's such a great relief!!!🦋💖 #Buybull

[@angie12575]

So you aren't a Christian anymore?

[@Fourwindsofsuccess]

@@angie12575 no they’ve become theistic lol that’s all. Nothing new.

[@angie12575]

@@Fourwindsofsuccess oh so all he signs happening are by accident? Cbdc one world currency? Sdg one world govermnt? Did you hear about Amazon one? Technology for mark of beast. Check into it. I'm sure you get the significance of this. And that's just a few things going on. Rest of signs are here too. Not to mention very late into fig tree generation. It's been 2000 years since Jesus was crucified. The exact time he said he be back. Jesus said 2 days. 1 day to God is a 1000 years. So fact world going bonkers at that mark. It's not by chanse. I agree alot of church dont preach gospal. It's all acceptance, and feel good messages. Not what people need to hear. What they want to hear. They need truth. Truth is. Our current world order is sinking fast. Go look at sdg goals. 17 of them. It got signed Sept 19th. How do they plan to impliment goals? Cbdc. Central Bank digital currency. All digital, allowing full tracking and ability to cut off access. Is this ringing a bell? Amazon palm. Seriously check it out. Think for yourself. Goodness Ai is currently rewritting Bible. As we were told. One world religion Isreal coming back to promise land. As told. Don't take my word for it. Check for yourself. Think for yourself. And any question I'd be happy to do what I can. But make no mistake. It's end times. Peace to you and much love. I truly wish you well. In Jesus name

[@larryfulkerson4505]

"Science doesn't give a fuck what you believe..."

[@Ladybug-hk1st]

Hey there, you're giving the the Christians a. reason to start taking more books out of the Bible or versus. Appreciate both of you have a great day.

[@trilithon108]

I like Bart Ehrman too. Gospel of Luke has Jesus sweating blood, but the oldest known manuscripts of Luke don't have the phrase. At the time, there was an argument going on about whether Jesus was Divine only or human and Divine. Obviously, a sneaky scribe wanted to make him more human. Wonder how many sneaky scribes got their nibs out on the old scrolls? 📜 🤔 😢 😮

[@dannyfromtheblockchain1446]

Barry Manilo is my personal lord and savior.. when he sang Mandy ...it was like Barrys spirit moved within me and l got saved

[@rainbowkrampus]

That bit about music is something that annoys me to no end about so called "religious experiences". Any strong feeling in a group setting suddenly belongs to the religion. Instead of a rush of endorphins which promotes pro-social feelings because we're a social species and rely on the group for survival and have developed ways of amplifying those positive feelings. Instead it's an invisible wizard. Aside from being dishonest about what the feeling is, it's boring. Instead of developing your understanding of neurochemistry and evolutionary forces, it encourages you to stop thinking about things at all. Just insert the magic man and turn your brain off. Ick.

[@rockpadstudios]

wow that list is exactly what I experience as an ex-JW. Crazy how nutty religion is.

[@Ladybug-hk1st]

Hey, guys, don't worry about what people say because if they're Christians, then they're not doing what the Bible says and showing love. Try an remember that, and you are loved by many people that listen to you, i'm sure take care.

[@goodmanmthiyane5611]

Something i never understand was falling touch on the head boom you down, what's the meaning of that

[@paolacastillootoya8904]

15:40 , yes, one can get addicted to that, because it is chemical.

[@jeaniekelly6803]

what you will hear from all of these poor people who have trashed Yeshua is I I I I I I ME ME ME ME ME . SHALOM

[@Truthseeker0926]

Lots of INFJ's on here. I'm one also and am a Super Empath 👌

[@letahamilton]

I’ve been to Kelona

[@Truth-Be-Told-USA]

God is clearly evil or does not exist at all

[@billguthrie2218]

1:04:00 Yah.... so what? Jesus took a three day nap. Some "sacrifice".

[@goodmanmthiyane5611]

❤there was no sacrifice there a nap indeed 😂😂😂

[@rik80280]

Love that game analogy. So you died in a video game. Big deal. 🙄

[@carolebingham7262]

Jesus didn't preach from a bible the only time he read was from the scroll in the temple

[@Fourwindsofsuccess]

Yep Saul is Paul but who in reality was a merciless violent murderer since he saw the light or Jesus Christ he becomes this ‘saved’ individual then he ch ages his name to Paul instead. There’s so many Christians themselves who forgets this or people who tampers with the Bible that’s not truly converted because they’re just as lost. Paul is definitely a weirdo.

[@EastSide-qc5oy]

He seems to have perhaps had some issues of the physically intimate kind if you know what I mean. Sounds like some overcompensating against some forbidden desires of the flesh maybe.

[@WayWalker3]

True. Saul's name change is a red flag for a thug trying to reinvent himself. Unfortunately, his negative base nature continued in his pursuit of his fictional version of Jesus and his teachings, which have either been so bastardised that they became word salad, or were a complete fabrication.

[@sohu86x]

16 personalities test has been debunked fyi.

[@splendidis7950]

There is no Christianity just chosen ones

[@foyoGames]

2nd

[@logicsetsyoufree9052]

15K Tim❣️ 🫶🏼