Destiny Blue-Pills A Republican On Trump

DEBATE: Destiny pushes back conservative talking points and blue-pills a Trump voter
Date: Jun 1, 2021
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Destiny pushes back against conservative talking points and gives the blue-pill. Timestamps Click▼ 0:00 - Teaser/Intro 0:53 - Trump's rhetoric, policies, China spreading its power 16:03 - Neocons flipped their positions under Trump, tariffs 25:23 - Trump on immigration, illegal aliens and pathway to citizenship 33:10 - Defending Trump online, January 6 capitol riots, election fraud 43:58 - Protest vote, owning the libs, conspiracies 54:51 - Republicans limiting voter rights 57:22 - Destiny gets absolutely destroyed 58:06 - Electorial college and filibuster

[@squidlickersteven2733]

put it in the description please, so much easier

[@dt4676]

Destiny, this guy you're talking to here isn't a good representation of even your average internet Trump supporter. He doesn't seem to know anything about the Trump presidency, he just read memes and had fun. There is a lot to push back on that you laid out that he didn't even respond to. I'm not saying I'm the guy to talk to or anything, but this guy isn't it.

[@Talleyhoooo]

Give it a bit more time, Destiny will be fully aligned with this guy in couple of years.

[@ravenecho2410]

i would like to talk to destiny for 10 minutes on like existence of a counterexample while it disproves an absolute general statement, does not disprove a utilitarian argument and prehaps how these counterexamples can be used to enliven a biased information availability heuristic in an audience. basically its just: logic -> stats -> power -> ideology type of flow, ive seen his recent videos be tilted towards this the past month or so, and its a simple consideration and/or fix. tbh i hope he just understands the gist from this comment

[@dylanp9865]

"Wasn't January 6th tame?" "No, think of what COULDVE happened!" So it was tame.

[@MOJODOJO67]

This guy: "something" Destiny: "well no" This guy: "I mean yeah"

[@Billiam632]

@Kyle Kyle such as?

[@TheEndPermian]

@Kyle Kyle so you know for the Paris accord it allows developing countries to burn fossile fuels more than 1st world countries because the developing world needs that cheap energy to grow their nations, where as western countries can afford to switching to greener energy and don't need to burn fossile fuels anymore

[@rexfordmorgan7552]

@Kyle Kyle Putin didn't just steal Crimea, aka send troops and arms to enable a war of aggression, they voted, aka a bs vote with no legal standing and likely fraud. It'd be like the US invading North Mexico and saying the white Mormons of US origin voted amongst themselves to take sovereign Mexican land and have US troops hold onto it for them. What a weird propaganda idea for an American to prop up. I remember a time only 4 and half years ago where no Republican would have said anything positive about Putin. My how things change for seemingly no reason at all....

[@bertthompson4748]

@Kyle Kyle and yet Iran didnt have increased enrichment. Bidens climate plan will create 7 million more jobs according to moodys. Just because a referendum was passed, that doesnt mean Russia was justified in its actions. Thats a complete non sequitur. Saying his stance is CIA propaganda isnt a defeater, its a conspiracy theory.

[@bertthompson4748]

@Kyle Kyle ive done a bit of googling. Can you tell me where you read that Iran self reports? The wording of the Iran deal specifically says theyre to make accommodations for IAEA inspections on all facilities when requested. I suspect youre spreading a lie, for instance this was claimed by Ted Cruz in 2015 and i read a politifact fact check that confirms the Iran deal didnt include self inspections but necessitated some self reporting. For instance the IAEA needed to know where uranium was being stored from the Iranian government since they dont track that.

[@serjaimelannister6630]

Republicans’ response to this video: “We don’t claim him! Clearly a RINO! MAGA 2024!”

[@pdpgb]

And I'm sure every time someone makes a "why I left the left" video all the Leftists realize they were wrong and become right wing. No shit you're gonna disown.

[@98danielray]

@Me Gusta ye buddy, thats what you gotta tell when they disagree with you. "debate tactics!" yee haw

[@Marqrk]

@Me Gusta do you have any points that counter what destiny said? Or are you just pretending the only reason your viewpoint lost here is the debater?

[@Shams-fe6lq]

@@pdpgb there is no difference between right and wrong things. you are very intelligent.

[@CyLikeSigh]

That's not my response, if people want to denounce Trump then that's on them. If Trump doesn't run in 2024, I want DeSantis to run, another person you guys hate with a passion lol.

[@TheGIGACapitalist]

So many people don't realize this, but some people don't care about policy- they care about a leader with strong optics and makes them feel strong. They don't care about the economy, they just want to be told that they're doing good.

[@nooby165]

that makes sense but sadly no country in the world needs strong optics aka opium for the people compared too real progress and change that's actually hard

[@nunixnunix04]

@*xokireiキレイ* yeah. do u believe voting should be easier for people?

[@bennymountain1]

Senator Armstrong 2024 "Nanonachines, son!"

[@MrPbaydari]

So basically, some people are less intelligent?

[@feelingevaporated2912]

@@MrPbaydari yes, conservatives are less intelligent

[@jvtc]

Steven interviews "Just some guy" that vaguely feels he is a republican.

[@ataridc]

No. He is the chosen champion from youtube chat and he was defeated handily in 1 on 1 verbal combat.

[@dt4676]

It's revolting that this guy even thinks he should debate anyone, he knows nothing

[@MrMcwesbrook]

Seriously he knows so little it feels like a plant

[@neverusingthisagain2]

I'm not a republican but I could counter destiny's first 20 assertions.

[@dt4676]

@Anshul Kumar I'd settle for 90

[@mikecurry6847]

Why does nobody ever bring up that the Trump tax cuts are only permanent for the rich? In 2025, the tax cuts for lower income earners expire but the cuts for the rich are permanent. He structured it in such a way that the tax cuts would end a year after his would be second term. His plan was to be riding off into the sunset by the time his supporters realized they've been bamboozled. This is the single most important point when discussing who benefits the most from those tax cuts and nobody ever talks about it.

[@MrSkeltal268]

Thank you for stating this. I feel like no one talks about this.

[@americanhero8606]

The plan was for Trump supporters to blame the democratic president for the rising taxes. They didn't count on Trump being a 1-term president.

[@mikecurry6847]

@@americanhero8606 wouldn't it be ironic if Trump ran again and won in 2024, only to have to deal with his own mess? Not that it would make it worth it to deal with "4 more years."

[@americanhero8606]

@@mikecurry6847 I feel like if Trump ran in 2024, he would inspire record anti-Trump turnout as most of the millennials and zoomers who didn't pay enough attention finally start to do so. If Trump actually won, we'd probably be talking about a civil war starting so his tax cuts bouncing back up will be the least of his problems lol.

[@mikecurry6847]

@@americanhero8606 haha fair point. I'm just keeping my mind open because I thought the last two elections should have been blowouts. I would have put good money on Trump losing in 2016, and I would have lost. I don't _think_ he'll win another election but I also won't be all that surprised if he does. But yeah, the idea of that is definitely scary...

[@Brettwbeyer14]

I think this guy makes up a big number of those who voted for Trump. Uninformed on his policy, but just likes persona.

[@Pharomid]

True, but to be fair, that's 90% of voters in general. My mom voted for Hillary because she was a woman.

[@kafkatrap1827]

What a retarded way to vote

[@Silverhawk100]

Judging from how he framed some of his questions (especially his voter fraud question), he strikes me as someone who will agree with the strongest personality in the room, regardless of if they're right (or Right).

[@TomahawkFoss]

@@kafkatrap1827 like voting for Obama just cause he’s black.

[@josiahclarke3535]

I think a big number of voters for both parties were based on not liking the other guy

[@Wyldren]

This guy 100% votes just because of what meme's he finds funny.

[@michaelchristopher8541]

I want to be harder on him for that... But, I voted for McCain because I felt kinda bad for him, and knew he had absolutely no chance of winning NY, so it had no effect. Sometimes your vote actually doesn't matter.

[@ZeranZeran]

You 100 % vote based on what the front page of reddit tells you to do.

[@Wyldren]

@@ZeranZeran What? Reddit? I only vote for who Destiny tells me to of course!

[@ZeranZeran]

@@michaelchristopher8541 wtf? you voted because you felt bad for an old man? Bruh.

[@ZeranZeran]

Our democracy is a giant farce, as are our elections. Have been for decades.

[@poopeyinmymouth]

My parents tell me Trump was the best president of all time and in the same breath tell me I’m blinded by liberalism lmao

[@TheStarForge]

Just ask them why he is the best president, they wont be able to tell you. Then destroy them with facts and logic on how he didn't do anything for the economy, he was shitty at foreign politics, he didn't do anything against China, he wasted out tax money on a wall (Mexico didn't pay for anything.), and much more.

[@alexeonbel4304]

@@TheStarForge That probably won't work. My family aren't even hardcore conservatives and the sort of mental omni chess/ gymnastics they performed in order to hold onto their belief of Trump was mind-blowing AF.

[@garrymiller3171]

@@TheStarForge when people are crazy enough to get to the point they can say Trump is the best president ever, they probably won't be swayed by the truth.

[@jascu4251]

​@@TheStarForge Facts and logic don't work. The trick is to show a touch of vulnerability and open-ness....and then have them try to persuade you instead of the other way around Playing dumb / undecided goes a long way here.

[@TheStarForge]

@@alexeonbel4304 It wont work, but you will make them look dumb. My parents could not tell me a single things that Trump did well and why he was "Great".

[@VTRDC27]

Emblematic of a trumper. 1) Have literally no idea what the policy actually is or did 2) Completely align with the rhetoric, but say you don't like his rhetoric 3) Make no actual points in your favor

[@teal4168]

To be completely fair, doesn't that describe a significant proportion of the population?

[@megabear8905]

You have the slightest idea how many people voted for Biden purely because he wasn't Trump?

[@unknownamus]

Our climate is a beam of light bouncing back and forth between two mirrors.

[@yyzx_6668]

@@megabear8905 You're acting like that isn't completely reasonable

[@megabear8905]

@@yyzx_6668 having no idea what the policy does. So we can dunk on Proud boys for blindly following Trump, but when most people can't name a single significant policy Biden's gonna do, it's all cool?

[@tarfielarchelone2674]

"I think it was just memes" I think people who play things off as memes 24/7 are disingenuous. Celebrities drinkin baby brain juice isn't a meme some people are just stupid.

[@neverusingthisagain2]

That's definitely a meme. And memes are memes because they are inherently true to the hive mind

[@LeonBelmont1000]

Life is a meme.

[@Juuk-D]

Is it just me or do republicans not actually know anything political? Just vote blindly for who ever "Owns the libs" the best...

[@CyLikeSigh]

It's just you.

[@JoelDZ]

This is a problem that transcends political parties

[@tedculbertson6320]

Seems that way for a lot of them. I've considered trying to convince them that passing Medicare for All would own the libs.

[@gavinoprimo2535]

Republicans don’t know shit

[@CyLikeSigh]

@@gavinoprimo2535 oh please, enlighten us intelligent internet Leftist. 😒

[@everynone1849]

The sad truth is that alot of Republicans are exactly like this guy. Every awful thing can be shrugged off "well, what did it /actually/ effect?", and when pressed the only thing they can substantively argue is how Trump made them feel.

[@ferrisbueller9991]

Everyone votes with their feelings tbf

[@brnfrmjts05]

@@ferrisbueller9991 true, but the Trump crowd were all about "facts over feelings", all the while being some of the most emotional people I've ever seen.

[@michael2113]

Affect

[@everynone1849]

@@michael2113 damn

[@Yoshsterpalooza]

Because words have actual meaning and not vague generalities we can apply motive to? Trump may say things you and others don’t like, but people can take what he’s saying at face value.

[@curtbressler3127]

Destiny - "So what was good about Trump's administration?" Republican - "Nothing!" Destiny - So what was bad about Trump's administration?" Republican - "He acted like an idiot, lied to the entire world and only enriched the ultra wealthy!" Destiny - "So would you vote for Trump again?" Republican - "Oh hell yeah!!" The world - "🤦‍♀️🤦‍♂️"

[@warbraid]

i dont think its about thinking highly of trump, but the perception that he was a better candidate than joe biden, which i felt was true.

[@gerunkwon2598]

its like that spongebob wallet scene

[@tobias1438]

@@warbraid Keyword you "felt."

[@curtbressler3127]

@@warbraid If by 'better candidate' you mean "someone who will constantly lie to EVERYONE, divide the country way faster than the lamestream media was doing and guide his minions into an insurrection on the capital to halt democracy"....yup, Trump 2020!!!

[@VietCakes]

He's just looks better on playboy

[@sai7913]

Damn, how long has it been since the last time Destiny debated a conservative lol. This is refreshing after all the lefty shit.

[@RealFreedomMG]

lol Lauren Southern, the MRA from Jesse Lee Peterson's show and those tik tok conservatives must feel pretty bad that this guy is getting credit as the only conservative in a long time.

[@jeffwells641]

He's pretty soft for a conservative, though. He's the type who thinks his leadership is doing A, B, C, but then you point out what they actually did was X, Y, and Z, and just sort of goes "Oh..." On the plus side, while he may have bought into the conservative narrative, but he's honest about what he wants to happen, and so his mind is open to change. He's not just a tribalist, which is a big pro in my book.

[@yoboiboy4182]

The lefty shit is so freaking boring. Wish he would focus more on alt right or moderate conservative types.

[@rwilson9759]

@@yoboiboy4182 I like Destiny arguing for American Imperialism. These righties are getting soft.

[@agustin4741]

@@rwilson9759 Imagine resuming every foreign conflict with "America bad" or "America's fault" Must be fun to live in such a simple world

[@DankAudioStash24]

"Oh boy, this is gonna get cringe" My thoughts exactly buddy

[@valkondarvalakev6377]

He knows nothing about Trumps policies and demands that Trump is better... okay Karen

[@Onus6688]

Trump did a lot for average Americans, don't you remember when he pretended to drive a truck and that time he pretended to shovel coal and then when he hugged the flag! How dare you. 😂

[@Fadeinwow]

Did you notice bigger pay checks? To say he did nothing is crazy. I'm not sure how much any president really does, but atleast be honest about what we know was done. The problem is the media doesn't give attention to the things trump did. For example I just learned that trump helped historic black colleges guarantee funding for 10 years. Before this they had to get and hope for federal funding every single year. This isnt just a problem needing dealt with every year, but its inconsistent because the amount is different every year, so they have to change things every year to fit their funding. Now they get 10 years of funding,so they can plan out their spending for an entire decade.

[@kevlon_]

@Kyle Kyle can't actually tell whether you're serious or trolling

[@pizzacrust43]

@Kyle Kyle Crimea didn’t have a legitimate vote on joining Russia, because it was deemed unconstitutional by both Ukraine and Crimea. Your merely spitting out Russian propaganda that is obviously not true.

[@pizzacrust43]

@Kyle Kyle the Iran deal actually allowed independent orgs to have full clearance to check Iran’s nuclear facilities. Also the type of nuclear material used in power plants is almost entirely different from those used in nuclear weapons. It requires specific facilities to manufacture nuclear weapons and the Iran deal gave them a more peaceful path forward.

[@pizzacrust43]

@Kyle Kyle wrong again! I actually work with the independent fact checkers and walked in the facilities. You have been stumped. In all seriousness ur just flat out wrong and just saying u watched the hearings dosent make u any less wrong 😴😴😴

[@curtbressler3127]

"I didn't like Trump's rhetoric because it made everything worse, but I think his rhetoric was strong and got a lot of people.....so....um.....yeah....Trump 2020!!" The world - "🤦‍♀️🤦‍♂️"

[@Revelatus]

Trump did a lot during his 4 years, it's estimated that he costed tax payers over $140M just for his golf outings. That takes dedication.

[@63Limar]

It's okay he cut taxes :)

[@bcs259]

I’m gonna be honest that’s not shit lol. Let’s focus on the terrible shit he did and stop with this narrative because it’s pointless

[@bcs259]

@Kyle Kyle yea while he drone striked the Middle East more than Obama did in only 4 years. I mean what a peaceful president Lmfaoooo

[@bcs259]

@Kyle Kyle “waisting ammo to justify using tax dollars to get more ammo” wtf are you talking about. Please provide a source for that. The other points have nothing to do with why we had more drone strikes under Trump.

[@leroyjenkins12345]

The way he tiptoes around why he wanted Trump instead of Biden and not just go full mask-off and be honest is amazing.

[@reignman4529]

Why did he want trump instead of biden?

[@amuir6969]

@@reignman4529 watch the video

[@Visitant69]

The political effect of the tariffs is that other countries don't want to rely on the US for trade because they flip flop like a fish.

[@apian7594]

Favourite kind of content. Update: This dude has no moral baseline.

[@justinboggin9086]

There was something off about him that I couldn't place and you just nailed it.

[@MeserithSama]

I wonder if thats how someone ends up there, right? If you haven't sorted out what you believe morally, I don't know if I could figure out who would be best to vote for.

[@apian7594]

@@MeserithSama That’s what I mean. In honesty, I just don’t think the guy is that invested in politics. He literally had no idea what policies Trump had passed, and every time Destiny made a counter argument, he immediately switched his stance.

[@Frailzing]

@@MeserithSama this man has spent 35 years on this planet without applying critical thinking to any aspect of his life, not even once.

[@MeserithSama]

@@Frailzing probably. I wonder how many people realize this though. People think they have a reason for believing what they believe. And they don't. =)

[@dwarvenminer3329]

You guys mock this guy but he at least managed to change his mind when confronted with the inconsistencies in his beliefs. It took a while but hey it happened.

[@Yamchah]

It only sounds like that because Destiny didn’t ask his opinions on BLM, in my experience it doesn’t matter how much Republicans agree with you, once that topic comes up all good will is lost and now “something must be done.” Which means they will always vote Republican.

[@Zenbon111]

You wake up and see Destiny hovering over you with a pill smiling. You wake up again in a cold sweat. Was it a dream? Or was it your feeeeed?

[@tcritt]

It was Rohypnol.

[@ZealotKing343]

The political parody of “the Babadook”... “The Omnidook”

[@Zenbon111]

@@tcritt If I don't know what it is it won't work on me

[@bulletproofzest]

Someone who speaks as slowly as this guy should never call Biden “slow Joe.”

[@Re-Todd_Howard]

Guarantee Biden has a higher IQ than Trump.

[@nickk4533]

@@Re-Todd_Howard Biden doesn't know what year it is

[@theprofesionalist7927]

@@Re-Todd_Howard He might've had a higher IQ when he was younger, but his mind is in tatters now. We need to decrease the maximum age for political positions cuz too many people that are too old to be making competent decisions are running.

[@Rob526]

@@theprofesionalist7927 Precisely, I honestly think Trump was pushing it age wise although he seemed weirdly healthy for some fat orange dude.

[@joonnoob3119]

This guy is not an idiot, he clearly just hasn’t thought hard on what exactly he believes. I bet he’s got a conservative family and/or friend circle and has just taken their word on everything. Hopefully this convo with Destiny will take him down a “Hunter Avallone” style change.

[@NGNMFYG]

People who dont think hard about what they believe are idiots.

[@unknownamus]

@@NGNMFYG Not everyone has the time, energy, or resources to research every facet of their ever changing worldview. Sometimes, you just have to form axioms and go with them until you're confronted with new or conflicting info. Maybe if people like you were less judgmental, we'd be able to engage more people in the dialectic.

[@ktaikamatika1397]

@@NGNMFYG Learning is an emotional and cognitive process, simply calling people idiots for mistakes is not a contructive way to understand the human mind.

[@barnebyoconnell8176]

@@NGNMFYG What an incredible self-own.

[@FreekinEkin2]

This guy was pretty nice and as a result they had a civil, engaging conversation. Don't be an ass about him.

[@nicholatemple9296]

"I wonder who is more hated, Hillary Clinton, or Donald Trump." Well we had a fucking popularity contest and she lost so....

[@Seahawksfan122]

This video came at the right time for me...was a big ol trumper in 2016. I was 18. Kinda ignored politics until 2020, felt kinda lukewarm but still voted for trump because of pride n shit. But since biden won I've been open to it and this video just kinda slams the door on my previous worldview. Omni-liberalism is truly the way. Thank you Destiny

[@bennymountain1]

🎉🎉🎉

[@freyjaplaysgames3293]

Welcome to reality. Keep it up with that internal introspection.

[@freyjaplaysgames3293]

@@Yuvraj. don't worry, my guy. He'll learn the difference between "the left" and a liberal very soon. I've always been left of center and even I didn't know the difference between all the little factions on the left. I used to think everyone was either a liberal or a conservative. He'll get it.

[@josiahclarke3535]

True liberalism is the only way. Open the doors for everyone to succeed and provide for them a method and base for them to jump off from.

[@xenonsan3110]

Yeah sort of same. 17 at the time of the 2016 election but I probably would have voted Trump. Between that time and now I've done a lot of self discovery and by the time 2020 elections hit I just couldn't support him anymore. He and his party did/are doing so much to hurt my community

[@therealbiggiecheese7034]

"Weren't they just casually walking in there?" pan camera to view a fucking battering ram smashing through a door

[@joonnoob3119]

I’m tired of hearing this: “So what they stormed the capitol? It wasn’t that violent/not that many people died.” What Conservatives/Republicans tend to miss is that it wasn’t the violence that was the most concerning part. The concern is that a large group of people were literally storming our nation’s capitol to stop the results of a fair election to keep a current leader in power. To shrug this off shows a blatant disregard for democracy. As cringe as some Democrats/lefties reacted to Trump’s win back in 2016, there was never a concerted effort by them to overturn the election and install Hillary as President...

[@varasatoshi3961]

As someone a lot farther left than most of America, I don’t even think about Biden that much. Drumpf was constantly in my head - with Biden I’m not as worried about a global catastrophe, war crimes, World War III, etc.

[@JosieTrent367]

@@EsotericOccultist Really? How so?

[@ripley4601]

Biden literally undid all the work towards peace Trump did with Russia, North Korea, China, ect. Those three countries have already restarted their hostilities towards us, because of Biden. China is even making nuclear threats because of Biden. Not to mention the increase in illegal immigration, with Biden just letting people come in, and him and the VP's endorsements of terrorists like Antifa and BLM, who have burned cities, caused billions in damages, interfered with our justice system by infiltrating Dereck Chauvin's trial and giving him an unfair trial, have murdered and carried out targeted assassinations, have created "autonomous zones", and have led to an extreme increase of crime, as well as causing the defunding and disbanding of law enforcement, which has had huge negative effects on our country. Open your eyes. At least Trump has his heart in the right place. With Biden, we'll be speaking mandarin within the next two years, and America will look like fallout.

[@picardcook7569]

@@ripley4601 Ok boomer

[@SuperSupermanX1999]

This. I'm from the UK, not the US, and it honestly feels nice to not have your president plastered across our news all the time because he's said or done something stupid, or to be worried that he might do something to start a war etc. From our perspective we can just look away now because the country is in the hands of an adult again and you don't always need to worry about that

[@ripley4601]

@@picardcook7569 Imagine being so cognitively limited that instead of addressing any of the serious points made, you instead counter with a dated meme insult. I feel sorry for people like that. People too ignorant to be capable of formulating an argument.

[@EM-wt6qe]

This guy actually appeared to be one of the most level headed and open minded Republicans that I have ever seen you debate. He didn't appear to be a shill and he didn't have any problem self reflecting; so many of the people I see you debate appear to lack so much self awareness and just parrot the most nonsensical talking points. This guy was very refreshing compared with the others.

[@doesntMetter1]

On the Dominion topic: Powel got sued and her defense was literally "No reasonable person would take my words seriously"

[@Orph3us33]

How does anyone still support Trump. Dude literally said yesterday that he would be president again in August 🤣🤣🤣 what a 🤡🤡

[@Zayindjejfj]

He never said that.

[@Orph3us33]

@@Zayindjejfj lol ok bro i mean literally whatever he says its either "he didn't say that" or "you misunderstood him". I don't know him personally but literally everyone says he did even people on the right. Trump supporters are literally celebrating this.

[@Orph3us33]

@@crowned2088 Dam bro did u watch the video 🤣🤣

[@Tavat]

@@crowned2088 Trump’s policies had zero impact on unemployment rates.

[@lucasztai]

@@crowned2088 which policies did he enforce to reduce unemployment?

[@FunkyBeufordP]

"it was pretty tame" Multiple people died, bruh

[@cacattack67]

one person died and it was someone storming the capitol so i dont have much sympathy for her. but the other deaths were health related (ie heart attacks etc.) that happened in that area at that time. there isnt evidence that they were caused by the storming of the capitol.

[@FunkyBeufordP]

@@cacattack67 What about the officer who died of his wounds?

[@ataridc]

@@cacattack67 People just HAPPENED to die because "HEALTH ISSUES" parrallel to a highly stressful riot occuring clearly there could be NO connection. Also, did you hear only 9k actually died of covid?

[@tenshii_92]

@@FunkyBeufordP that didn't happen. Sicknick (spelling) died of a stroke later on. Story started that he was hit in the head with a fire extinguisher. Then they walked that back to no extinguisher, just damage. Then they walked it back to "well he got pepper sprayed and had a stroke later on." May he rest in peace.

[@FunkyBeufordP]

@@tenshii_92 oh wow, I legitimately hadn't seen or heard that. Just looked it up and I am wrong about Sicknick. Example of those narratives running away from the truth.

[@BruceAlrighty1991]

Take the bluepill, you’ll be rock hard

[@anitquahharlom6143]

Blue and Red pill are both prescribed by Jewish doctors, I will take the black pill please.

[@alecbernal3824]

Well done, Mr. Clemens.

[@bertthompson4748]

@@anitquahharlom6143 a side effect of anti semitism is impotence. My German doctor told me this.

[@Pharomid]

@@anitquahharlom6143 The black pill is black, so I'm going to have to opt for the white one.

[@craigbradford4850]

This guy is the perfect example of intellectual laziness. It’s almost as if he’s avoided any information that could conflict w/ his belief in Trump.

[@craigbradford4850]

Pretty much. Myself included

[@Knighthawkbro]

Destiny talks to a guy who didn't really have strong beliefs or knowledge in the first place. There saved you an hour.

[@bennymountain1]

If he did he wouldn't have voted for Trump.

[@dianp4824]

This guy keeps saying illegal immigrants to Destiny's point for the people that go there with H2B sponsorship from Europe and start applying for perma citizenship. My guy....

[@Simmcal]

I vote labour in the UK and could argue this guy's positions better than him. How do you have the confidence to call in if you don't have a clue.

[@laurendaryani4893]

It's Dunning-Kruger run rampant.

[@BasedMexx]

These type of conversations remind me that conservatives cannot defend any of their positions

[@tarfielarchelone2674]

@@saulmendez2276 nope they can be super wrong as well. Online fire off points for both sides do seem to flounder.

[@kevinsedits8741]

Thumbnail guy needs a raise

[@antman6707]

This was a very calm and civil discussion, the only issue is that he didn't present a whole lot of counterarguments to Destiny

[@Lildoc911]

They never do.

[@antman6707]

@@Lildoc911 I wouldn't say never, but it doesn't happen that often because I constantly see two people who are bad at debates squaring off, or one person who's good and another who's unprepared. This seemed more like a simple discussion than a debate though

[@tobias1438]

Maybe because he had absolutely nothing to say. When pressed for examples he literally had zero.

[@antman6707]

@@tobias1438 There are counterarguments to be made, but he wasn't aware of them and so he kept it as a normal discussion

[@tobias1438]

@@antman6707 Can you give those examples then? Cause even destiny constantly said he didn't know or doesn't remember, but he still got it right of how little trump did. Well, aside from enriching himself that is.

[@mushr00mhe4d]

Big ups Doug Q for setting up their client with Destiny 🙏

[@ericstein8019]

😉

[@Icon_Carth]

🙏

[@adamadam367]

Nice pfp James D

[@NolenGYT]

How the fuck do you guys have the Destiny logo in your names?

[@adamadam367]

@@NolenGYT membership?

[@Ed-en8br]

its so sad to watch people say that trump is "hands on" compared to biden. they dont understand what the president actually does. all trump did was posture.

[@skepsswag]

Guy: what I think Destiny: ya, but...no Guy: ya, you're probably right

[@Lucius_Art]

omni-pills

[@lytoxel]

Cool digital art my dude, like your stuff👍

[@Lucius_Art]

@@lytoxel thanks man

[@cacattack67]

Destiny is correct about it taking a long time to immigrate here. My grandfather (who is very wealthy) and his wife and kids immigrated here (USA) from Mexico and they just got their citizenship a few years ago but it took them 10+ years.

[@sadboipotato3382]

I've always found the immigration process way too long. I've heard stories of some people being here for 30+ years before they became legal. That shits crazy.

[@ChipCheerio]

That’s unironically double most other countries. I’ve been in the process of officially immigrating to France and even with a job that has me working in the country and heavily involved with the European Health Authority I’m expected to receive citizenship in 3 years. I’ve already lived here for two years.

[@curtbressler3127]

This guy thinks Jan 6th was the same as a black friday sale. "Some people got hurt but some people found some good deals."

[@justjoking5841]

How is it not the same thing though? A huge group of people are let into a building where different products and labels are sold at bargain prices a couple weeks in proximity to Christmas Time. People died for misc reasoning and nobody actually gets anywhere. BUT! The news media gets another story to report on for the next few months! :) The product = politics and policies. The label/branding = the democratic or republican parties. The white house = the corporation's HQ or a store to discuss and market ideas People died for whatever reasons... Example : People blame Trump as the overall reason for Jan6, irrespective of the actions of individuals. Misc = miscellaneous = of a collection or group of different members or elements of some kind. = A bunch of things that have no specified value.

[@curtbressler3127]

@@justjoking5841 I'll have to reread your comment 3 or 4 hundred times to make sense of it.

[@Sam-ll6wt]

New Drinking Game : Take a shot every time this trump voter says "i feel" Which i find funny

[@takkiejakkie5458]

Trump "pretty good internationally"? This guy... Where has he been?

[@LukeMcGuireoides]

Hes clueless, across the board he was so uninformed, or more likely misinformed.

[@takkiejakkie5458]

@@LukeMcGuireoides You can say that again.

[@rocky_danger_buff5845]

Bruh I just got an ad about a trump gold bar, wtf lol.

[@williamheintz]

This hasn’t aged well.

[@CD-tk2oc]

This is so brain melting, “it would be nice if both sides worked with each other”. Literally the next sentence “well you can’t expect republicans to work with the other side”. Fuck me.

[@zoeywitz6884]

Totally, Republicans NEVER say insulting things about Democrats.

[@CD-tk2oc]

@@stevenwolbrueck6488 Ah yes this is a one way street and Republicans have never said anything about dems.... See how this works. If you can't be an adult literally don't go into politics.

[@wiiwanter556677]

As someone that married a immigrant it was a very lengthy process that took 4 years to get a green card and it costed a lot of time and money

[@Andi_0429]

my dad thinks he was sent by god. get me out of here.

[@sektorify]

This is the version of Destiny that I like. Solid arguments while being generous, gentle even, with his opponent.

[@poetryonplastic]

Damn I am ready for the blue-pilling moderate republicans arc of 2021!

[@moldycarrot9267]

My mind is blown each time I hear someone say, "ye I'd probably pick Trump over X" In what world DO THESE PEOPLE LIVE???

[@Frailzing]

In the privileged one

[@Smithistory]

The irony of this conversation is that for destiny's project of social democracy to work he has to convince all these voters in every state to care about policies they know nothing about, when the average voter would rather just vote based on personalities and labels. When a decentralized approach to government would allow for local communities and institutions to build the projects he envisions on a small scale from the ground up.

[@finleymcfuckface2414]

I feel like this is a fair point but sort of unrealistic. How do you transition our country into one that starts caring about local elections? Currently the large majority of people care about the popular election and not much more

[@Smithistory]

@@finleymcfuckface2414 it's quite easy. Decentralize power away from the federal government and to the state and local governments as the country was originally designed. This doesn't happen for at least two reasons. People want to force everyone in the country to live like themselves and the federal government has the federal reserve to monetize the debt so it can borrow and print to pay for both sides' grand ideas, while state and local government actually have to pay for these projects with taxes and everyone hates taxes.

[@ultraboombean]

@@Smithistory I dunno having to live in a local area ruled by a bunch of conservatives is already pretty bad but imagine them even more cut off...If you cannot just move then you are screwed ..I would agree if it was just easy for everyone to move and vote with their location.

[@Smithistory]

@@ultraboombean yea, elasticity of moving increases over time and over time you would get more self sorting. The point is moving is easier compared to convincing either the whole country of your views or all of your neighbors to believe the same way. But even then, convincing your neighbors is easier than convincing the whole country. So we have to make the correct comparison.

[@spielunker8438]

One strategy for really helping streamline your path to citizenship is to find out if the sitting President of the United States has a third trophy wife ... and if he does, be that trophy wife's parents.

[@Lordbel]

This guy is definitely not a republican or conservative

[@kylenki]

I once offered to marry a dude, an American dude, so he could get critical healthcare. Never heard back from him. Do your part, Americans.

[@blarblablarblar]

Damn, this guy comes on to have an honest chat and is just getting shredded in the comments

[@itscarl0zyall1]

Well when you're wrong, you're wrong man. What else were you expecting?!

[@lazysod3]

@@itscarl0zyall1 everybody’s wrong about something. You don’t need to shred people purely in the basis of being wrong. Maybe save the shredding for arrogant assholes, bad faith actors, and people that intentionally cause harm. This is just a guy who we’re only hearing bc he’s actually putting himself out there and trying to have his ideas tested and learn something. We should wish for everyone to do that.

[@matsab7930]

@@lazysod3 he’s an adult. He has responsibility, if he believes utter nonsense, doesn’t do his own research and supports a populist leader he’s not really deserving of much respect. I’m all for calm dialogue, but you can’t really critique people for bashing someone who hammers republican talking points, especially when he supported a president who significantly eroded our democracy. These people are just ignorant, sure, but this ignorance is dangerous, and ultimately they’re adults who hold responsibility themselves too. They all bear some of the responsibility for the disastrous presidency we just came out of

[@boboswae_11]

@@matsab7930 is it his fault he was born and raised to believe these values? (Exaggerated Analogy: ) Upwards of 80+% of palestinians believe stoning is an acceptable punishment for homosexuality, should we focus on condeming them or freeing them from HR violations? This dude (even tho he is 30 for sure thats a little much) isn't bad faith and destiny definitely was getting through to him, I have the capacity to forgive him for "the damage done to democracy".. as if 99.9999% of the population doesn't hold some stupid belief that is damaging to democracy.

[@matsab7930]

@@boboswae_11 of course he can be forgiven and ought to be given the opportunity to change, i just feel as though we often give these people too much credit and write off too much of what they spout as not being fully their responsibility. i disagree with your analogy to Palestinians - this man has had access to all the resources the internet and education in america provides and enough years outside of the forced family environment to think somewhat critically about what he believes in. That being said, i can appreciate that he did engage in somewhat good faith with destiny.

[@kenbob1071]

Destiny: "Compared to the trillions and trillions that we spend overseas on wars and sH$t, it'd be nice if we can spend some of that here." Trump cultist: "Well now you're sounding like, we should not help the rest of the world..." Me: Uh, spending on wars and sh$t isn't exactly what I would call "helping" the rest of the world.

[@loganpaulrfsfe4952]

Trump is the most anti war president in decades. Biden voted for 20 plus wars and proxy wars.

[@HarrySharry18]

34:00 "i just meme voted him" wtf haha

[@therockbottomcarpets3475]

This wasn’t much of a debate, but I appreciate the guys willingness to ask questions. Whenever I watch people like destiny, I tend to feel pretty overwhelmed and useless because I’m so far behind in terms of knowledge on policy and current events. I think MOST voters are probably like this guy and it’s important that they have outlets to ask questions and talk about their views, regardless of what they are.

[@Alucitary]

In what world could you look at the Jan 6th mob and when asked "what would have happened if they had gotten into a room with a senator?" You answer "who knows" LMAO

[@reignman4529]

Well I must live in that world cause I have no fucking clue what they would have done. Do you?

[@bishopbling4115]

@@reignman4529 They would have beaten if not killed the Senators.

[@judasseispuertos4163]

5

[@reignman4529]

@@bishopbling4115 Possibly, neither one of us knows that for sure unless you have extrasensory perception.

[@reignman4529]

@@mindlander slap yourself across the face if you voted for Biden.

[@HappyHippieGaymer]

This is how i was as a conservative. So poorly misinformed but i thought i had reason behind my conviction simply because the right wing preys on emotion.

[@arisrayden]

so either this guy was desperatly trying to hide his power level or he was willfully trying to keep himself from being persuaded by logic

[@vonvon20]

This wasn't even a debate. This guest was so exhausting.

[@andrewgrime8389]

DDGers listen, I'm a YT chatter and I SWEAR I'm not like this guy. Please, believe me.

[@TrentonF505]

It’s so weird that people who can’t name a single good thing about Trump vote for Trump

[@creepyjesus1471]

I think it makes a lot of sense actually.

[@dimthecat9418]

Is this the memeology guy?

[@dowlandaiello8395]

OMEGALUL that thumbnail good one August

[@SlimeDadUltra]

57:28 for the real ones.

[@jmelande4937]

The immigration discussion drove me crazy because both of them were completely clueless. There’s no path to citizenship as an illegal alien. You’re actually barred for life from legal entry into the United States.

[@Jrez]

Trump is like Reagan, he gets all this credit from some people for being an amazing president when he really did almost nothing in office as president.

[@Dragonite43]

The only thing Trump did for the average American, was when COVID-19 hit. We got the stimulus checks and putting a hold on both interest and payments for student loans. That's really about it, and only because a Pandemic hit. If we didn't get COVID-19, then Trump would've not helped the average American out.

[@mjr_schneider]

This goes to show why there are so few reasonable Trump supporters. Because if they were reasonable they'd have to admit they basically have no reason to support Trump.

[@loki_l_1380]

3 minutes in and omg. "Like" "kinda" "sort of " and "I feel like" are half of this mans vocabulary.

[@arthurskok5899]

im just here for the osrs content

[@arthurskok5899]

57:30 top n otc h editing

[@richardparker2555]

Please don't use "blue pill" as an alternative to red pill. It doesn't sound cool. Its sounds like your taking viagra. Please, someone come up with something better

[@Correct_Opinion]

The Omnipill.

[@the-renegade]

I've been blue-pilled during this debate...

[@a735Alexis]

fr?

[@the-renegade]

@@a735Alexis No, I'm being facetious. 😅

[@tenmaruhakuchou]

Same I've never been this hard

[@yaroslavponomarov8973]

On the topic of the time it took to immigrate, as an immigrant in the US that’s now a citizen, it took my family a total of 9 years. 6 years waiting for an interview and then the rest waiting to find out if we have been granted to the ability to do so. In 2004 we finally got the opportunity.

[@curiousman3655]

Domination of destiny in discord dialogue is a delight

[@insertname5057]

What a terrifying conversation

[@YoutubeMadeMePickHandle]

22:16 this was just perfect 😂 this is why I love destiny

[@Fabric_Hater]

Govt not doing things is actually great for the economy. The most the govt does, the worst it gets.

[@bertthompson4748]

@@Fabric_Hater based on what? Australia had massive government intervention during the GFC and were the best economic managers in the OECD. Just a few years later into a conservative government they were relegated to 34th in the OECD for economic management. We are seeing the current government having the emulate the policies of the GFC government and the Australian economy, despite still going into intermittant lockdowns, has grown since the pandemic started. Maybe do some actual research on the issue.

[@YoutubeMadeMePickHandle]

@@Fabric_Hater dude you need the government to enforce regulations, PLEASE don’t start with this libertarian shit

[@Fabric_Hater]

@@KZbinMadeMePickHandle UL exists. Stop with your statist lies.

[@YoutubeMadeMePickHandle]

@@Fabric_Hater I seriously can’t tell if you’re trolling me or not 😂

[@SplashTasty]

Bernies rhetoric wasnt better than Bidens. If it was so good why couldnt it convince enough people to win the election? Bidens rhetoric effectively crushed Bernie. AND trump

[@SuperSupermanX1999]

was it Biden's rhetoric that crushed Bernie? Or was it more his reputation for being safe and electable, alongside his pleasing association with the Obama presidency? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he beat trump and he's doing pretty good atm, but it certainly wasn't his rhetoric that got him there.

[@daveruda]

biden did bad in the debates. he just kinda sailed through and suddenly everybody dropped out in order to sabotage bernie.

[@ultraboombean]

Tbh the votes close enough that I do not think we can say Biden crushed. But he did manage to win, so thank goodness for that .

[@barackobama0101]

Oooo right in my feed, I Like that 🥰

[@KillstormSH]

hi Mr. Obama

[@barackobama0101]

@@KillstormSH hello skipper my son

[@B_B-420]

Destiny was right about the 17 years to immigrate, but it was for Indians with bachelor's degrees. India has the longest wait times of any country, due to the insanely high number of applicants trying to fill a measly quota. If you have an advanced degree and are an EB-2 worker, you could be waiting 151 years for a green card. www.cato.org/blog/150-year-wait-indian-immigrants-advanced-degrees "The biggest backlog is for EB-2 workers who have advanced degrees. At current rates of visa issuances, they will have to wait 151 years for a green card. Obviously, unless the law changes, they will have died or left by that point."

[@GoSuMonSteR]

"I feel like ,I feel like, I feel like..." I thought only women talked like this in the "red pill" community.

[@carvedwood1953]

international leaders that liked Trump were North Korea and Russia. Mostly because they got a free pass.

[@MrJaviCusi]

35?!!!!

[@matthewroberts3125]

Imagine being 35 and being this dense 🤦‍♂️😂🙈

[@prixat]

"...being part of the Axis..." US was one of the Allies literally fighting the Axis!

[@fabiofernandes9122]

destiny is really good at deradicalizing.

[@Rob526]

I haven't watched much, but is this dude really a radical? He seemed moderate from the amount I saw. Although watching was painful so I hopped out early.

[@fabiofernandes9122]

@@Rob526 being moderate doesnt mean you dont have radical views.in the video, he said he supported the storming of the capitol, then he changed his mind.

[@Rob526]

@@fabiofernandes9122 Ah okay

[@Inurendo88]

'I feel like Trump did pretty good, internationally' 'But all of our major allies hated him' 'Yeah... That might be because he's an asshole' Ok then.

[@petermolloy9457]

Used to be a fascist, now I'm a refined neo-liberal, Thank you Destiny!

[@Tocinos]

PEPE

[@petermolloy9457]

@@Tocinos nice profile picture man

[@MrNoobthenub]

if you dont mind me asking, in what ways were you a fascist

[@petermolloy9457]

@@MrNoobthenub I genuinely let a few fear-mongering influencers and some clueless people on twitter ruin my perception of different groups of people (other races, Jewish people), I guess I wasn't a full on fash but I was greatly influenced by Nick Fuentes among others. I'm 15, my views are very flexible and easily influenced, what can I say? But discovering a destiny debate in which he debates a white nationalist (catboykami) and completely tears apart his arguments, exposing how easy they are to deconstruct, I was saved from this vicious cycle! I'm still pro-life, I'm still pro-gun, but my views aren't dictated by hateful fascists and I feel very happy where I'm at now

[@SocialCreditScore]

I would have to agree with betting my life on Hillary being more hated than Trump. That's too easy

[@NuyaBusiness-x8x]

😂😂😂😂 Discount Tim Pool: " Trump is bad!" Discount Tim Pool the next day: " The left is filled with evil people, trans rights is violence and lobbying is great! Ohhh did I mention my mommy and daddy are facist?" Discount Tim Pool fan's: " I love how he is a fence riding shill that no one respects in any way."

[@usure2408]

This guy is actually so clueless.

[@infiniteyeet9235]

Some people don’t pay attention to politics

[@wtfimcrying]

@@infiniteyeet9235 then dont talk about them