Destiny Debates A Vaxx-Hesitant Father Into Changing His Position

Destiny tries to be rhetorically effective and manages to persuade a vaxx-hesitant father into change his position on getting the jab...
Date: 31 Aug, 2021
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[@destiny]

Destiny tries to be rhetorically effective and help a viewer's vaxx-hesitant father into changing his position and getting the jab.

[@speedfastman]

@No One This is his editor.

[@Carmichael_]

You're evil for this.

[@icebear4181]

Right…

[@jamrollz]

Augustiny poweroverwhelming somebody stop hims

[@778hallo]

@No One He says it right in the video before it even happened lol

[@johntheidiot9046]

mike from Idaho is much better than Mike from PA

[@thekycklingwizard78]

Wow stop doxxing mike 🙄 he makes more money than you!

[@DaveChappeleIsGod]

What from where? All I see is [redacted] from [redacted]

[@yolooo5081]

@@thekycklingwizard78 Most of his money went to subsidized Destiny's room and board in his head.

[@BurntoOblivion]

Based take

[@Reqnr]

I wonder if he knows what TIF is

[@noisemagician]

Very nice of Destiny to have this conversation, the elder gentleman was open-minded, very wholesome overall.

[@MIDA-Multi-Tool]

yeah a huge part of this was definitely Mike being open-minded and genuine. i feel like most people wouldn't be so easily convinced.

[@jeremias-serus]

@@MIDA-Multi-Tool The fact that he has family that got infected AND apparently has long term COVID helps immensely, too.

[@VTJasmine69]

It’s nice but Destiny chat is just being extremely immature. Destiny is actively trying to help promote vaccination to someone that’s hesitant and his chat just wants this man to fuck off

[@noisemagician]

@@VTJasmine69 They meme too much, once in a while is pretty funny but when you do it almost non-stop it's childish, loses its funniness and is a bit annoying.

[@bumblebeme]

it is a nice thing to do but this just shows that these people have no idea what they are talking about and just make shit up. This man knew nothing about anything but had a strong belief

[@coolboy9979]

Cant wait for destiny to debate everyones mom

[@gram8121]

Woo yeah!

[@Forse702]

Can we start with his mom

[@herozombie199]

I wouldn't trust him with my mom or dad 🍄💦

[@takeshii]

@@Forse702 he's already debated his mom lol. The vids up somewhere on the channel.

[@Forse702]

@@takeshii on covid vaccine?

[@blackorchids]

I hope in the distant future destiny is remembered for doing this work and less for owning online political weirdos, this is so important.

[@gordonstrong5232]

Very true

[@AniKhang]

For sure. He’s an eloquent speaker for the average layman and very understanding. Really happy there’s people like him.

[@darkstarr88]

You just know 300 years from now his wikipedia entry will describe him as our time's greatest pro-incest propagandist and not much else.

[@Stabby666]

I want to get a life sized statue of him set up somewhere. Like on one of my shelves.

[@97itachiuchiha]

@@Stabby666 Maybe one for your garden too? Just stick a red hat on him.

[@WalRUs1216]

The thing I like most about this is he is actually talking to him like an equal. Both in fact. They aren't talking down to each other, no insults, nothing. It's beautiful.

[@m.czandogg9576]

When Booksmarts watches this he'll cry tears of joy.

[@Bostonceltics1369]

Indeed, ultimately this is about caring for some people who are extremely terrified of losing whatever they hold dear. imagine a frightened animal cuz we humans are in fact animals. Most of these conservatives have had their amygdala hijacked. So you really want to be calm and try to articulate a set of talking points they can understand. Destiny in terms of his knowledge though is superior in regards to his media and scientific literacy (not that he gets every take right no one's perfect), and so are most experts in all their fields. This was never about being elite, that was the spin that rich(powerful) people actually fed to some of the lower class people(you and me and our families) and then told them a bunch of immigrants and the government was going to take over their livelihood so to speak.. they used fear and destiny calmly articulates a little bit of reason. Learn a lot from these discussions ,but let's see if it's followed up with some changes in behavior.

[@Bostonceltics1369]

@s p y d e r your referring to F.U.D. yeah sure its a human phenomenon, but more people tend to be liberal so it would scale. proportions matter like a per Capita measurement. My evidence is the number of conspiracists in the trump wing , aka qannoners and evangelical christians compared to the party size. What's more fearful than the apocalypse or whatever end of times crap? Thier whole business model is fear. Liberals tend to have a healthy fear of climate change viruses and facism, so somethings are more natural to be afraid of.

[@merlotpapi4930]

It's beautiful isn't it? He is talking to an actual irl normie who isn't trying to farm twitter clout or trying to get clips to boost their lefty cred. It turns out that conservatives or right adjacent people, at least the average one and not the weird ones online, are just normal people with different views.

[@Kayzewolf]

This was a chill and empathetic chat. You didn’t back down, you didn’t make fun of them… You actually tried to help them understand and see reason by treating each claim as a valid concern to at least how that person felt it was one and helped ease their skepticism. This is how you help change people. You’ve also given thousands of others an example to use towards super common rebuttals.

[@hemmydall]

This is how I try to act when talking to my parents (who are Fox news diehards), and after they go through the Fox rhetoric they've memorized, they can sit and relate to issues we all face and can, at the least, understand different approaches to solving a given issue. My sister on the other hand, quickly gets into yelling matches and neither side understands the other.

[@The3rdeyedontdie]

It's literally gene therapy you don't even know what you are injecting yourself with just take a good look at Israel data then compare it with Sweden. Then if you are open minded enough look up the Nuremberg code, Karl Schwab, and the New Worl Order and see how it all fits in.

[@vegbeg9170]

@@The3rdeyedontdie Why would you compare those two? Israel has 16x the population density that Sweden does, they hardly seem like comparable countries.

[@zplayer182]

@@hemmydall Ditto here + Bill O'Reilly talking points/methods still protrude today. Good to read that someone else has taken a calm approach to meeting the Fox News-rhetoric

[@The3rdeyedontdie]

@Unconscious E People do not want to realize what's actually happening and most won't accept it until it's too late because it sounds so diabolical like something out of a sci fi movie. Covid has been engineered as a bioweapon as stated by Li Meng Yan and several other virologists, doctors, and scientists that are being censored. Back in 2010 Bill Gates gave a speech at Ted Talk where he predicted the next "outbreak" and spoke about the depopulation of the planet. If you look up Dr Fauci back in 2012 he explained and admits his role in Gain of Function research and the funding for H5N1, called the "Doomsday Virus" as written in the New York Times. This is the Delta variant which is being spread by spike proteins inside the vaccine that are mutating and shedding but the media would have you believe it's being caused by the unvaccinated. If you also look up Klaus Schwab on Wikipedia and scroll down to "Criticism" you will understand what's taking place around the world in countries like Australia, Israel, and now in America. Also if you read the Nuremberg Code specifically states that the voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. People are being forced to take an experimental jab while early treatments like ivermectin and ppl like Joe Rogan are being attacked because if they were to allow for early treatments that work they wouldn't be able to distribute the "vaccine" under "emergency use and authorization".

[@TraversyMedia]

I do like the attack dog debate stuff because it is entertaining and satisfying,. However, I do think it is divisive and doesn't actually change people's minds. Your more recent content is much more mature and open-minded and I think it helps society. It is nice to see someone that is level-headed in online politics. I feel like 95% of people that talk politics online are fucking insane. Both left and right

[@swaggitypigfig8413]

It’s our web dev man!

[@ataridc]

@Rose Anne Boushard AP’S ASSESSMENT: Missing context. The claim ignores the fact that Israel has only a fraction of the COVID-19 cases that it had in January, before vaccines were widespread. Furthermore, the majority of adults in Israel are now vaccinated with two Pfizer shots. No vaccine is perfect at preventing breakthrough cases, but the data shows vaccines are reducing the number of people who are severely ill, hospitalized or die from the virus.

[@Elaan021]

I completely agree. Found Destiny through his breakdown of the Arcadum stuff and was impressed with the tone. Looking at older stuff, I was a little disappointed. Yeah, it's fun to watch, but pretty counterproductive.

[@jamarr81]

@Rose Anne Boushard tell me you're stupid without telling me you're stupid...

[@slan7]

Holy fck. Never thought I’d see you here.

[@dettlaffvandereretein4251]

It’s odd to see how people have such a negative view of Destiny when he takes time to do stuff like this video.

[@mageIIan]

I don’t think doing a good thing(s) can change a person’s entire perspective on you. Vaush is doing a second charity stream where he’s managed to raise over 100k a second time. Pretty sure his optics are fucked. Lol

[@suckmyduck7029]

I think some of the issues have to do with Destiny too though to be fair, like a lot of his rhetoric is very abrasive and aggressive, especially when he's mad.

[@dettlaffvandereretein4251]

@@suckmyduck7029 Ye totally agree. It’s just that like it’s fine to see him as an asshole but some people straight see him as some Bond villain or something.

[@dettlaffvandereretein4251]

@@mageIIan Ye I see your point. People like Vaush and Destiny have too many hours documented that the views people can form of them is pretty vast and completely different from each other.

[@mageIIan]

@@dettlaffvandereretein4251 yep. and it's not like the narrative or opinion they've built isn't factually correct, it just isn't whollistic. and it usually ends up being the case people are motivated to have reductive views about destiny, which sucks. but hey, that's the internet.

[@RR_G]

Memes aside, this is a pretty damn cool thing Destiny did, and does. Mad respect.

[@778hallo]

Making an actual difference.

[@MrPerfume1979]

You took the title and ran with it. I didn’t hear anything about him deciding to take it. And the father the chat shittalked was not listening to a religious figure whos statement is law or very compelling arguments most haven’t heard either. If he takes the vaccine, it is bcs he has thought if it. He actually just wanted mostly hear his opinion.

[@RR_G]

@@MrPerfume1979 I only took the comment from the son at the beginning into account, and just listened to the convo. You made the assumption that I thought he got vaccinated or something about a religious figure, idk. My comment is a personal recognition of the interaction with his community and a civil, patient conversation with someone´s dad, trying to convince him to get vaccinated. Im not one to argue with randos online, so hopefully it is all clear. If not, that is life. Take care!

[@Almentoe]

I'm watching this because I need some tips to convince my mum to do the same thing. =(

[@MrPerfume1979]

@@Almentoe Tell her that there is points to arguments back and forward, but as it comes down to picking your poison, the vaccine insures that she will have a 5-6 month immunity where she can mingle and not ending with herself in a ditch. Doing so she gains the more polyclonal broader immune response when infected and the viral load replication is diminished by the vaccine to lower her odds of getting severe symptoms. The vaccine is safer and she doesn’t need to take booster 9000 by being infected naturally. There doesn’t need to be either option a or b. A and B is a choice.

[@hugonamenlos7218]

I love that he just talks with the dad of a viewer. Destiny is such a good guy :)

[@hugonamenlos7218]

@@tonynav1082 as a former addict i can confirm that it indeed destroys your life

[@Anne-pj7ny]

No way is this the dad of a viewer? That’s so cute

[@jamesjanes7936]

Imagine any other lefty doing this… they wouldn’t or they would just call them stupid.

[@truehistory8440]

Destiny does seem like a good guy... except when he's talking about Kyle Kulinski for some reason, who is also a good dude. Wish Destiny wasn't so ridiculous towards him.

[@jamesjanes7936]

@@truehistory8440 Kyle spreads misinformation. Misinformation is bad from the left or from the right

[@speedgoblin9985]

Destiny is literally doing the most he can cause he genuinely cares, every day I become more amazed at how people can hate this man.

[@jeremias-serus]

I think it’s pretty obvious why people hate him. As per the human condition, we do not like it when we are wrong. Destiny shows a lot of people that they are wrong about a lot of things, ergo a lot of dislike ensues.

[@speedgoblin9985]

@aa b lmao hey trademark crazy guy in my replies, wasn’t expecting you so soon

[@speedgoblin9985]

@aa b exercising and eating healthy will only allow an individual to lower their changes of dying or being hospitalized from covid, meaning that though we can advocate for it it’s never gonna be sufficient to stop the spread due to its infection rate and mutations.

[@Plamler]

@aa b He literally is going to the gym like 5 days a week and is talking about all that stuff too. Get a life.

[@jeremias-serus]

@aa b the whole world is against us bro because we know the truth. (they) just want to kill off the dumb... because us smart ones wont follow them!

[@RipleyVolta]

This was a great example of how to talk to ordinary people who are just a bit scared and confused about stuff. More of this wholesome content right into my feeeeeed, please.

[@ShibaoWen]

Finally a debate where Destiny doesnt have to shout "wait wait wait!" because the other guy is gish-galloping a dozen unrelated anecdotes. Very refreshing, hope this calm format gets the attention it deserves.

[@okk]

For all of the "what's in the vaccine" questions: there's something called the product monograph where manufacturers have to list all chemical components of their therapeutic, by law. It's easily found online.

[@JHamzz]

Mike from Idaho has intellectually outpaced vaush

[@karltanner3953]

Mike from Idaho > Mike from PA

[@amirmirzaei3940]

such a DGG moment, someone brings his dad to a debate

[@jkrt8722]

Least parasocial DGGer

[@samliveshere88]

we need to main line destiny into facebook parents news feeds

[@IKhanmakeWAR2]

right into my FEEEED

[@mysticmalaichicken2518]

I love how Destiny can seamlessly transition from edgelord that pans antivaxxers as walking talking gain of functioning variant petridish bioterrorists, to kind, understanding, chill conversation having boomer educator 💙

[@wtice4632]

What about previous infected with natural immunity? Or are they scum too?

[@SiegmeyerPrime]

the irony is though that vaccination reduces transmission chance about 30-60% from early studies. So there's undoubtedly going to be mutations arising from *within the vaccinated population* as they are going to be acting oblivious to this fact and will be now granted greater access. I predict we'll see a return of testing requirements once a satisfactory number of vaccinations has been reached, or once cases start rising again (like in Scotland at the moment). Given this basic fact of transmission the only reason to deny tested, but unvaccinated people access seems to be to incentivize them to get the vaccine. Which is quite asinine and indicative of the game-theory gambling our ruling class is submitting us to. So the "bioterrorism" is going to be coming from the vaccinated as well, incentivized by a government that's willing to bet the cost-benefit of higher vaccination rates against greater spread. All I can say is it's a great time to be a major pharmaceutical company. So don't be dumb and buy some moderna stock, I did earlier this year and made a staggering 150% profit already. Yay? - a recently reluctantly vaccinated millennial with existing natural immunity.

[@phillipjiang1593]

@@SiegmeyerPrime I'm not sure how "vaccination reduces transmission chance about 30-60%" leads to "mutations arising from within the vaccinated population". Can you elaborate more on this?

[@w00passBurns]

This guy is what most hesitant-on-the-vaccine people are like tho, not those loud ass 'its my choice FREEEDOM!' folks

[@assalane]

I wish this is true.

[@assalane]

@@cartoonsandcereal3413 I guess what's making me doubt it is that they are still half of the population. Even though 10s of million already got vaccinated and are perfectly fine

[@Mike_Dubayou]

@@assalane 98% of people in this country are like this guy. Not crazy, just has a different point of view. Yet so many of us think the other 50% of the country is insane. That’s far from the truth.

[@Elaan021]

@@assalane There is a difference between hesitant and anti. I think most *hesitant* people are like this dude. And I think people lump hesitant in with anti and don't address the more reasonable concerns some people have. Shit, I was hesitant at first before I did some reading and looked at the facts and then I got vaxxed as soon as I could. I wasn't anti, I was just surprised how quickly the vaccine came. Then I read how that was possible and I was cool.

[@The-Entelechy]

It's also understandable to me that they think like this. This is a generation that got fucked by leaded gasoline, asbestos, and smoking with a lot of flip flopping on the messaging

[@ExCharny]

It left me so confused when the video ended after 15 min instead of being 1 hour long shoutfest

[@Ghostopherr]

The wholesome Destiny arc begins.

[@idkhbtfmandnowimsad994]

Is it finally happening? BibleThump

[@patrickjin6610]

WidePeepoHappy

[@seanstange8704]

It did not

[@QuixEnd]

Dang bro can you talk with my mom?! Lmao she's honestly terrified for my health because I got the vaccine. When I told her I'm going to get it she preached at me for 45 minutes about all the knowledge she gained after hours and hours of research. She knows waaaaay too much about it and everyone echos the same sentiment

[@gram8121]

He can try to talk to her after doing her but it’s a tight schedule fucking 350,000 moms a day so you might have to get a reservation

[@MrD0r1an]

Just send him an email, he may very well do it

[@tab8803]

wait you're mad at your mom cause she actually looked in to the side effects of the unapproved vaccine?

[@ookook1331]

@@tab8803 approved* there we go fixed it for you

[@countrymac8952]

@@tab8803 Shut up

[@integratypeAUT]

What is it like being wrong a year later?

[@wisemage0]

Vaccine rolls out, covid related deaths decline and then drop substantially, restrictions are lifted now that the hospitals aren't being overwhelmed anymore. I'm sorry you and apparently 16 other people can't handle basic statistics. But I guess it's cool you think you have some secret information no one else is privy to.

[@eyeam9305]

I don't know anyone personally who had a serious case of covid. I know 2, possibly 3 people who had serious adverse effects from the clot shot

[@Omnipoops]

And I know about 5 people who've had severe cases of COVID and 2 relatives that died from it

[@ryanlewis490]

Same

[@karimshebeika8010]

is Mike from Idaho in anyway related to Redacted from Redacted?

[@taylorm3560]

As it happens, the answer is [redacted] ! Small world, but not too small amiright haha.

[@tychobrahe6379]

MikeFromID turns out to be a lot more reasonable than MikeFrom[REDACTED].

[@JeffreyBoser]

This conversation is why the current GOP pisses me off so much. Kind gentlemen like this need a rational party to represent them, his worries and prejudices are completely understandable, I would trust him on a dark road in the middle of nowhere instantly. But the party he ends up voting for, that rabidly dominates his state, that is ruled by fear and hate.. he is too good for it, but doesn't have any alternative.

[@Rebornblader]

It's not hate that the party is representing. It's fear and anger. Most people on the left think that people on the right are stupid and hateful, but most of us are usually pretty reasonable and will have civil conversations. That being said, there's a lot of fear that the government is going too far and becoming too powerful and a lot of anger about basic liberties that have been eroded over time. If more lefties understood this instead of just defaulting to "you're a hateful racist lol" I'm sure we could have more conversations like this.

[@JeffreyBoser]

@Lick Tasty Win what over? I would not expect him to become a Democrat, so I never expect to 'win him over'. On this issue, he was already persuaded and it started with a loving family member. That doesn't change the GOP being toxic as hell, and I am perfectly comfortable characterizing *the party* that way. It's platform, its leaders, its spokespeople, its influencers, etc. The more reasonable, more rational, old school conservatives fled the party limelight long ago. It now has white nationalists as prominent members, its rallies have become threats to national security, and I cannot even spend an hour online without one of their reactionaries screaming on an airplane or spitting on people in grocery stores. Now, this gentleman is better than his party, I am saddened for him. If I thought the party was redeemable, I would have attempted to do so when I was a part of it many years ago. But I consider the Republican party a lost cause.

[@JeffreyBoser]

@Lick Tasty this tribalism identification only makes my point more valid, thank you. The rest of your comment unnecessarily makes false presumptions.

[@JeffreyBoser]

@Lick Tasty Actually, I need to apologize, I am sorry, I read your comment hastily on a device and did not view the whole thing. I just got to the reference about the clips before replying. I actually get most of those not from my left bias, but from a duty as a forum moderator.

[@MarigoldAW]

Tribalism be like.

[@g.holmes9930]

Something that stood out to me about this guy was that he started off the convo saying he wanted to learn more about the vaccine

[@svendinsvinderlin4569]

I'm actually glad he's calling the father Vaxx-Hesitant. Anti-vaxxer is such a divisive term

[@thekycklingwizard78]

And it’s not accurate too, at least for this guy it seems

[@DaveChappeleIsGod]

For good reason is it divisive. Vaccines are some of the most important medical advancement made in human history. If you think they're useless, or just a cash grab from 'big pharma' then there's very little that can penetrate a skull that thick besides viruses that penetrate the blood-brain barrier.

[@hughmogus7137]

@@DaveChappeleIsGod ....did you even watch this video?

[@svendinsvinderlin4569]

​@@DaveChappeleIsGod Nobody here much more reasonable than anyone who doesn't believe in vaccines. We just happen to have certain pieces of information that lead us to a certain conclusion. I'm not saying that Karren is right, but most of their minds can be changed if you give them respect.

[@WanderTheNomad]

@@DaveChappeleIsGod but we don't _want_ it to be divisive. We would _like_ for everyone to be on the *same* side on this issue. Being divisive just pushes more people to one side or the other. It's just counterproductive to what we want to happen.

[@juice17776]

This old dad is probably one of the most genuine and honest people that Destiny has ever spoken to. I love Destiny’s new approach to people that are just unaware. He doesn’t hate on them for being ignorant, and it works to pull them towards his side.

[@WhyPhi]

In some ways it might be better to “debate” these types of people instead of streamers or influencers. The streamer types will not change their mind but MAYBE these types can…… sometimes…

[@jameskilgour387]

It's not about changing streamers' minds, it's about changing the audiences. While this was extremely important and productive, he's going to convince more people talking to Sargon or Tim Pool

[@avarice4556]

@@jameskilgour387 True, as much as I enjoy this conversation and felt like it was kind of heartwarming in a really devisive time largely it meant nothing in grand skeem of things compared to Tim or Sargon who it would have at least been chimping at a large nest of things which do change his audience in some fashion.

[@avarice4556]

@@jameskilgour387 I'm curious do you think a significant portion of Destiny's audience goes to "their side" as well? Like, maybe it's just my bias of being one of his viewers as well it's hard for me to imagine that there's a bunch of people who'd stop watching destiny or gradually change their support of destiny and like become a sargon fan, but it's easier for me to thinking of a Sargon viewer going to a destiny viewer. And I also wonder what the size of it would be as well, like would it be like sizable portion from Sargon to Destiny and negible one of Destiny to Sargon. It's hard to conceptualize.

[@jameskilgour387]

@@avarice4556 nah. I know it sounds pretentious, but we just have better and well developed ideas. Much more of a problem with lefties becoming tankies than becoming proto-fascists or whatever. As a former Sargon viewer, I can tell you that he has basically no foundation for his beliefs, so they're easy to tear apart. Maybe for a lefty who doesn't know what they're doing (the Serfs, or [redacted] from [Redacted]) but Destiny is much more experienced (as is Vaush, love him or hate him)

[@avarice4556]

@@jameskilgour387 Aye, you're not supposed say the quiet part out loud we're supposed to pretend like everyone is on the same equal level of intelligence and logical thinking so stupid people can feel intelligent.

[@2BVayne]

I love how he was open minded enough to see your point of view. Felt like an actual change my mind.

[@eyeam9305]

My aunt is a top nurse at a local hospital. I asked her what they think about the jab now at her work, and she said no one talks about it anymore, except for now and them some people expressing regret for getting it. She said they require them to get the flu vaccine but not the covid jab lol. Thank God. I love my aunt and I would be very sad if she was hurt by this terrible shot like so many others

[@ethanwright752]

and its cringe that destiny is here pulling poor innocent people into this deathtrap clot shot. special place in hell for people pushing this evil

[@user-uq4gr5nl5o]

The chat: NOOO DESTINY PUSH BACK, HES A FASCIST, CRUSH HIM SOY SOY SOY

[@imwithmario]

Literally saving lives.... :)

[@odyseebetterthanyoutubeglo1767]

For a disease that kills no one but old.

[@Mrraerae]

@@odyseebetterthanyoutubeglo1767 still going on about this? That's just literally not true lmao plenty of young people have gotten long term complications and even died from covid

[@CuZtuga]

@@odyseebetterthanyoutubeglo1767 Let's pretend that's true. The guy destiny was talking with was obviously old, so even by your standarts he saved a life lmao

[@The1Liner]

@@odyseebetterthanyoutubeglo1767 I guess long term effects from covid young people are getting will cause no problems in their life or potentially shorten in by years/decades. Long term heart and respiratory problems are no joke

[@odyseebetterthanyoutubeglo1767]

@@CuZtuga If you look at orders given to coroners about how to classify covid deaths, you would see that they are forced to make assumptions about cause of deaths and rule it as death by covid for the tiniest assumption. (Such as being in contact with suspected infected person.) That was not a standard procedure before this scamdemic. It would just be ruled as death by pneumonia, heart failure, or similar. So the numbers are heavily inflated and we will never have real data because of dishonest cunts. Most old people that are marked as died from this, had pre existing conditions that were already enough to finish them off, the covid parts are mostly uncomfirmed. So maybe that vaccination will help this person, but extremely likely it had no effect; good or bad.

[@radscorpion8]

The farmer seems pretty smart, he can understand everything Destiny is saying. It just sounds like he never thought about things from the other side too much until talking to him. Wasn't even a debate really just asking questions and getting reasonable answers

[@eyeam9305]

Just wanted to come back to relive how wrong destiny was on this issue

[@Omnipoops]

What was he wrong about exactly?

[@safeeffective385]

@@Omnipoops (huge yawn) It's now well established that all they offer is a few weeks of reduced symptoms, maybe. And, they come with about a 1 in 800 chance of thrombotic disease and/or long term condition such as myocarditis... along with completely unknown long term potential side effects.

[@safeeffective385]

@@Omnipoops I've heard from countless individuals that regret getting the jabs, who stopped getting more. And I've talked to hundreds that have had zero, and not even one regrets their decision.

[@Omnipoops]

@@safeeffective385 I've heard from countless individuals that regret not getting it, including 6 unvaccinated (3 close relatives) who died from contracting COVID. Almost everyone else I know has taken it and been perfectly fine.

[@Omnipoops]

@@safeeffective385 (huge yawn) The risk of myocarditis is still generally lower in a vaccine patient vs someone who contracts COVID. Been three years and we're yet to see these long-term effects kick in, so let's see how the next decade goes.

[@livchamps9573]

destiny did not say “i love you” to his dad at the end of this debate

[@PashaandDrosha]

"Be careful, buddy."

[@jonathantrautman]

Thank you for being a role model

[@owmypinkytoe6907]

I really like how you treated him as just a person who was worried about his health, and not some guy politically motivated to hate the vaccine. I know some people like this, and it always feels weird to me when people online harp against these people like they’re anything more than horrendously misinformed.

[@augustb.w.4778]

Can we Call this one the “a contributing member of society arc” ?

[@rwilson9759]

For everyone saying how nice this older man is... I'm older to and I want you to get of my lawn!

[@GodisgudAQW]

Us damn kids am I right?

[@rwilson9759]

@@GodisgudAQW I love listening to the generational discussions on why boomers, gen x, millennial ,zoomers are bad or good. My wife used to collect old books and I would occasionally read them depending on content one I read was from the early 1800's and they were talking about the old generation and their issues and how the new generation was lazy and uninterested so every time I hear anything akin to that I just laugh. Plus I better not see you in my back yard picking apples kid and stay away from my daughter!

[@GodisgudAQW]

@@rwilson9759 Yeah I'll probably grow up to a generation that complains about the next, it's just the cycle of life. And as for your apples, that much I can guarantee to stay away from ;)

[@pitbull7440]

This was one of the most satisfying "debates" I've ever seen. Both reasonable people, coming to a conclusion based on evidence. Don't see that much

[@weebemo1]

He was gonna say hey I love you in the end but changed his mind lul

[@frederickhofmann843]

This was great, please do it more. I’m sure there are a lot of chatters moms available

[@noodleweeniedog]

this was actually beautiful to watch

[@RebirthFlame]

Good stuff, now if only we could have like 70 million more of these one on one convos we would be set.

[@karltanner3953]

Destiny has his work cut out for him

[@kirksaintpatrick3921]

This title is really misleading; this truly wasn't a debate at all. It was a guy asking questions and asking Destiny's opinion on something.

[@ChosenPlaysYT]

On the first point, vaccine mandates are fine if it’s safe and provides immunity, like polio. This current covid shot is like the flu shot, helps with symptoms most cases but you can still get it and spread it. There is a pretty crazy rabbit hole opened if we start mandating symptom mitigation. We have to ban smoking, being overweight, soda, and all things that make symptoms of disease worse. If the covid shot provided real immunity like the polio shot, I’d 100% be on board.

[@Maddjacklee81]

It would be absolutely overwhelmingly embarrassing to hear my dad talk to someone like Destiny. He’s about as far in wakadoo land as one can go.

[@markistador5491]

Fellow idahoan. Glad to see the progress.

[@Aspectioner]

My parents are extremely anti-government & anti-vaxx, making the whole immediate family incredibly against vaccinations. We have a family history of weak immune systems and the idea my whole family could catch it terrifies me; especially when after a year they gave up on social distancing and masking, having 20+ people at their house the other day. I wonder if a talk like this would do anything about changing their minds.

[@laurendaryani4893]

I would give it a shot. Pun intended.

[@Killerspider762]

Hang in there. It’s a mental burden being the only one not drinking the cool aid

[@summerrunner1755]

I don't believe your parents could be saved. The more time one spends "researching" aka getting indoctrinated into something. The more difficult it would be to divorce them from that. It would mean that all their time and effort would be wasted if they suddenly changed their mind. And also looking like a complete moron. Nobody would ever concede to that. Even if deep down they believe they're wrong. Even Destiny wouldn't be able to save them. With this guy it was easy because you could tell he wasn't too sure or informed on his positions. So he could easily be persuaded any direction.

[@nickmyers3065]

For me when I think trust the government. I first like to see how many governments are saying the same thing. When most governments say it's fine. I m more confident.

[@DaEvilShaman]

So nice of this kind lady to help this nice man get educated on the corona virus :)

[@Splatterbrain7]

Average TOOL fan

[@damx9385]

this is perfect, the guy is clearly open minded and trying his best, he just hasnt been provided with good information and resources until this point

[@ethanwright752]

theres nothing perfect about shilling this untested trash fake vaccine for big pharma. absolute cringe

[@angrysloth]

destiny will u debate my dad into letting me stay up after 10pm and play video games?

[@speck5348]

Inb4 people on twitter call Destiny an anti-vax after having this productive convo

[@Hhhhhh-sz9ud]

This is so much more helpful and positive than the angry debates with other online personalities.

[@MAR1N4M1]

I'm going to get my Q-uncle to call in next.

[@TreehouseINC]

Hearing that guy live being like, debate my dad please was the apex of dgg honestly. I'm glad I saw this convo come to fruition

[@imguruguru1396]

havent watched the full video but "my name is mike, im from idaho" is a good start

[@imguruguru1396]

FUCK, I hate when someone is hesitant on the vaxx but then also is willing to listen and change their opinion because now this guys life is on my consciousness Id be very scared to be his age during this.

[@RoyGBiv-lc8tv]

Instead of mandating vaccines, Biden just needs to send Destiny door to door to debate every anti-vaxxer into rethinking their position.

[@Hbizzjohnson]

Like the vid to spread it more, this can do measurable good, though i think the title is a bit to agressive

[@InfernoVor]

Honestly I didn't even hear about the long term effects till now

[@JR-gq8ti]

Death last pretty long. Financial implications do too.

[@WanderTheNomad]

@@JR-gq8ti I don't think anyone is referring to death when talking about long term effects

[@gnarrrrrrrrrrrr]

crimes against humanity

[@ForeverDoubting]

Good call on changing the title @Destiny The first one was not accurate.

[@iyziejane]

The blind leading the blind

[@lukeyg1559]

Lately I have realised that destiny is super good at analogies. I often steal them to explain why vaccines are good

[@scunning100]

This made my heart incredibly happy. Nicely done

[@joninosaka]

Mike from Idaho strikes me as one of those few of words, salt-of-the-earth type of fellows. IOW, someone who touches grass all day long, everyday.

[@lucasshije9249]

More than a nice talk than a debate. I liked it! This seems like a great way to communicate with folks.

[@miloballs2010]

great convo. yet another banger vid right in my FEED.

[@thehucklebillyfenn]

My brother in law’s father got COVID that resulted in him developing pneumonia in his lungs. It remained untreated to the point it changed to fibrosis in the lungs that will affect him for the rest of his life. These kind of things can happen which is why it’s even more important to have these talks with older people who are more susceptible to these kind of issues.

[@r.m8146]

Excellent job!!!!!

[@DDogg43777]

Awesome conversation! Good job, Destiny!

[@stlbullet]

Glad Mike didn't see any of chat. Talk about a cesspit.

[@dillonmariani]

I know so many people (old and young) that have the same positions as this ol' guy, so it was great to see an example of how positive these conversations can go. I would even call it inspiring.

[@Anne-pj7ny]

This has son in law vibes and it’s SO CUTE

[@teamatfort444]

Rhetorically effective 2021 destiny

[@hardstyle8184]

Impressive Destiny. Wow. That was a very polite and honest conversation with someone who I think you laid out a very nice way or lens for the gentleman to view the topic and how it clearly would only be beneficial for the man. That was a masterclass! Well done Destiny

[@VraccasVII]

Mad props to Mike, what a nice and pleasant guy

[@heythere5121]

This was adorable

[@MigApex]

Paging TikTok DestinyDebates owner, we need parts of this uploaded onto the TikTok ASAP BOGGED

[@ryanwalsh5019]

Saving lives

[@JB-ue6lf]

Destiny really tries to understand people and has been trying his best to get people to understand his point of view. You can tell lately he's being as honest as possible

[@Peter-hx3im]

I love that this clearly conservative man is willing to go out of his political bubble and ask genuine questions and stay receptive to facts (not done with the video, so I hope it keeps up).

[@SaltyReverend]

Can we just appreciate that he wanted to come on and talk and learn more? That gave me a little bit of hope that I definitely needed.

[@kookbrah640]

This made me smile good job Steven

[@spigone2455]

One Boomer at the time, we'll convince all of them

[@asfsasoa5148]

Conversations like this are great but I really want to him talk to some more prominent conservatives like people from the daily wire, crowder, or Charlie Kirk, or even Joe Rogan who basically seems he just shifted right after moving to Texas. If he’s able get invited on a JLP panel I’m hoping he’s able to make more debates with other conservatives happen.

[@jack17jackson3]

Those debates are like really good. Love this kind of Content

[@aarononeal9830]

Good on destiny for reaching out to someone .

[@sonobitches]

incredibly based

[@HarperSanchez]

There are plenty of good reasons to be hesitant about the newest vaccines.

[@TubularToob]

Wholesome content

[@KevinKanthur]

This filled me with love.

[@irAbyssion]

So proud of streamer man.

[@vitalepitts]

...raight

[@ryuuM21]

Destiny's bridge building skills are not to be underestimated.

[@billybobthornton9668]

Second only to his bridge burning skills!!! But that's why we love him 😆

[@feedmeink2928]

Well done. Props to Mike for composure and being open to conversation. Rare these days