Destiny on Debating Ben Shapiro, Toxic Wokeism and Getting Divorced

NETSUITE: Take advantage of NetSuite’s FREE KPI checklist: www.netsuite.com/ICED
ORACLE: Free test drive of OCI at oracle.com/iced
COLLECTIVE: Get your onboarding fee waived when you visit collective.com/ich and tell them ICH sent you
Follow Destiny here: / @uc554ey5jnufdq3ydojyiroq
Tier List: tiermaker.com/create/the-iced...
NEW: Join us at www.icedcoffeehour.club for premium content - Enjoy!
Add us on Instagram:
/ jlsselby
/ gpstephan
Official Clips Channel: / @theicedcoffeehourclips
For sponsorships or business inquiries reach out to: [e-mail]
For Podcast Inquiries, please DM @icedcoffeehour on Instagram!
Time Stamps:
0:00 - Intro
1:10 - Destiny Addresses the Ben Shapiro Debate
8:29 - Jordan Peterson Interview Spoilers (UNRELEASED)
11:38 - Eating Crickets: A Climate Fix?
13:03 - The Dangers of Political Ideologies in 2024
17:30 - Do Ben Shapiro & Jordan Peterson Have BAD Political Intentions?
25:23 - “Anybody Who Supports Trump is F***ing CRAZY”
32:59 - Political Ideologies Are Dangerous, Think For Yourself
38:35 - No More Excuses. Take Responsibility For Your Life.
45:59 - Destiny Opens Up About His ADHD
1:01:51 - Defining Political Labels: Leftist, Liberal, Progressive
1:05:30 - Destiny’s WILD 🍄 Story
1:09:53 - The Cultural Shift: Why Are People Becoming More Conservative?
1:17:02 - Destiny Breaks Down the “Jeffrey Epstein Case”
1:19:57 - Destiny Explains the Trump Indictments
1:27:15 - Is Modern Media Failing America?
1:39:32 - Destiny on The Border Crisis
1:47:12 - Destiny’s Big Business Deals and Investing Strategy
1:51:33 - Debate: Go to College vs Don’t Go to College
2:11:56 - Destiny’s Thoughts on the F.I.R.E. Movement
2:21:14 - Progressive Penalties: The $80,000 Speeding Ticket?!
2:24:24 - Destiny Talks About His Divorce & Open Relationships
2:38:23 - TIER LIST: Destiny Ranks 33 Political Figures
2:51:04 - Closing Thoughts
*Some of the links and other products that appear on this video are from companies which Graham Stephan will earn an affiliate commission or referral bonus. Graham Stephan is part of an affiliate network and receives compensation for sending traffic to partner sites. The content in this video is accurate as of the posting date. Some of the offers mentioned may no longer be available.

[@lexfridman]

Great conversation! ❤️

[@TheIcedCoffeeHour]

Thank you so much, huge fan of your show!!!

[@cory8080]

When you going on the show?

[@HostileTakeover555]

Looking forward to the Destiny - Finkelstein debate!

[@jonafloppa8336]

LEXXYYY I LOVE YOU SO MUCH

[@fento6054]

Love you lex DggL

[@kkistbh824]

My main takeaway from the interview is Destiny is a woman’s name

[@zikaperic2133]

He looks fluid

[@thetrib1]

Truuuuu😊

[@skurasch]

You're not wrong

[@johnnyapplesmith]

Thank God you’re not my neighbor if that’s your takeaway lmfao.

[@itsmeben604]

The hosts gave everyone except for you a ❤ even though you have the top comment right now. Nerds.

[@abe_is_live]

As a software developer "go to a bootcamp" is horrible advice. Spend 3 months getting the most shallow possible understanding of programming and polluting the already oversatured market of shitty react devs. Bad move.

[@Mazzphysics]

Indeed. Our work got a bootcamp guy "free" for a month, he was so dogshit it was unbelievable. He made more work than he helped, he basically got stuck learning programming on hackerrank type sites just to get him up to any sort of ability.

[@trentirvin2008]

@@MazzphysicsIve been taking the past two years to drill down on every concept of frontend dev that i can while being self taught. And i can’t believe the amount of people in the react course im taking just don’t know anything about JavaScript. The Q&A section is filled to the brim with people not understanding what a ternary operator is or how map works. And many of them went through bootcamps.

[@markymark637]

Go to a bootcamp if you already graduated college, otherwise 10000% get a degree in CS

[@OBsurdityTV]

Unless you can provide an alternative that works then you really just made a worthless comment. We’re being fed countless ads about getting into software development. If these ads are lies, then we need experienced vets to provide alternate instructions.

[@OBsurdityTV]

@@markymark637that goes against what the point of them going to bootcamp. The years n money it would take to get a degree.

[@15minuteworkout20]

Jack and Graham’s thoughts about college are privileged, misguided, and misinformed. It always blows my mind that they spout anecdotal evidence rather than the infinite supply of data supporting the outcomes college degrees lead to.

[@Zinojn]

It was insane to me that graham was going to let his 16 yr kid decide if he wanted to go to school or not. My parents asked me too, and didn’t encourage me to go because they simply couldn’t afford it. If you are well off, you should be sending your dang kids to school and fighting for change that allows less well off families to send their kids to school as well.

[@15minuteworkout20]

@@Zinojn exactly! And the whole “just go be someone’s assistant for free” nonsense is some shit only rich people say. What if you have bills or have to help your family or you have children to provide for. Their whole take is so privileged. Love them otherwise though.

[@Zinojn]

@@15minuteworkout20 finding a mentor is so much more likely to happen as well in college when you expand your social network (university…). Most people don’t have the energy to mentor an 18 year old kid anyways… the mentoring example is just dumb on its face as an “alternative” to college. College is the place you find good mentors, not bugging people on KZbin…

[@Drifter196]

@@15minuteworkout20 Only certain college educations at Universities are worth it. Majors in the STEM field, the Law field, the Medical field, and in the Finance fields are the only REAL majors that outpace non college educated people in regards to salary on average. BUT! The average person with an average intelligence who is not really interested in academics is not really capable of pursing those majors. They're more suited to pursue trade and vocational educations. And there's plenty of data supporting the fact that tradesmen can pull in 6 figures WITHOUT having to be a business owner. So Destiny IS full of it, and he is putting too much stake in ANY college degree.

[@Drifter196]

For F***s sake man. There are jobs for Welders that are offering up to $200 a day.

[@iamdriy]

As a software engineer with a CS degree, I feel like everytime the "just do a coding bootcamp" suggestion is thrown out there, it's coming from someone with no coding or industry experience. You can only learn so much in an x-week bootcamp compared to a 4-year degree even if you account for all the "useless" gen-ed classes.

[@nodekapunk]

I taught myself C with an iTunes University course, and self taught Java by decompiling a jar i used to automate a game I played for years. Now I’m a software engineer for a company with no CS degree. I have been scripting since I was 10 years old, but it’s all been self taught. It’s possible. :p

[@misterkittyandfriends1441]

Coding is something you can easily become good at by having interest, time, and a computer. Most students have the last two at a minimum. I have a 4 year degree, but everything I learned in a structured learning environment could have been learned working open source, hobby coding, and taking udemy or KZbin courses. Going to college is one way to do it, mostly for ease of recruitment.

[@iamdriy]

@@nodekapunk Nice, congrats on landing a job! I've also been lucky enough to start coding when I was young.

[@lunarlegacy3762]

@@nodekapunk What you just described is what Destiny was talking about and has talked about before. You had a big passion since 10, you've had x amount of years of self directed training since 10, x amount of years since 10 to build up a CS portfolio or something akin to it. You're not the norm and funnily enough, you've spent double the time to potentially do something it might only take a normal person a 4yr degree to do. (I mean no disrespect, congrats on the job!)

[@pepegaplays4023]

@nodekapunk it's possible, but also, the average person doesn't have that much initiative. Sometimes, it's nice to just go to school and have a curriculum laid out for you.

[@tokyosour4215]

Bro Ben Shapiro, Vivek, more plates more dates, Dr K, Matt Walsh, now destiny?? Y'all KILLING it with the guests.

[@slimconfucius]

I mean this is his second time

[@djjorge87]

This guy's is the worst lmao

[@tokyosour4215]

@@djjorge87 Destiny? Meh I may not always agree with him politically - I'm more of a Shapiro kinda guy. But I enjoy how they have diverse perspectives on the show, even if they personally don't agree with the guest.

[@rathernotsaynoneofyoubuiss2611]

@@user-nf6ob9jh7k you ok?

[@mcl6780]

matt walsh lol cringe

[@topicmodellingproject9002]

"A lot of tech jobs no longer require college degrees" That doesn't mean you are equally likely to get a good job in tech without a college degree vs someone with a college degree. You will still be at a massive disadvantage without the degree. Hell, your resume probably won't even get looked at tbh.

[@spacetoast7783]

Facts, at least in my personal experience. At my company, we have thousands of devs. 95% have degrees.

[@jayc7612]

Yeah just because they don’t require degrees doesn’t mean they’re hiring 50/50 degrees/no degrees

[@CockatooDude]

Unless it's a particularly open minded company or a very small company, I'd say there's a 99% chance your resume won't even get looked at if you don't have a degree.

[@mattwong5403]

A lot of high paying jobs still require a degree without requiring a specific major. Military officers (especially combat arms officers in the Army and Marines), HR, marketing, upper management positions, law enforcement at major departments, most office jobs in local government, any degree with experience (part time jobs or internships during undergrad) is better than not having a degree

[@eSxExcellence]

Crazy how out of touch that quote is too. Being 5+ years into my tech career, tech jobs are really strongly requiring degrees now because so many people are getting the typical comptia certs and boot camps. The degree is what really is going to put you over.

[@abstractdaddy1384]

These guys have their heads in the clouds in regards to the whole "what does/should a person do after high school?" conversation. Destiny clearly has a handle on what life is like for normal people and these guys don't realize how rare it is to do what they are suggesting people do.

[@andreas0101]

An adult vs two children.

[@haileyranczka5865]

This!!! Seriously they are like "Well it worked for me" doesn't mean it will work for everyone. Destiny is approaching this from the standpoint that not everyone is charismatic and has a strong passion.

[@CashMoolah00]

Hiring desperate kids just out of high school that can’t figure a salary is cheap labor and good for business. lol College students/grads at least have some type value for going.

[@gr86er]

Hilarious that you came to that conclusion when destiny didn't even believe a person starting in trades can make 50k 😂. At least Jack was a server and graham has stated before how lucky he was when starting his channel

[@schw0373]

Graham has always thought "most people" can be like himself, when he seems to have a blind spot for the fact that he's way smarter than most people.

[@StretchtoYourHeart]

Watching Graham being revealed as very out of touch with the 'be someones assistant at 18' idea was hilarious

[@G_Elyse]

That take was so wild 🤣🤣

[@4X4ish]

Timestamp?

[@lmelior]

Imagine thinking literally millions of 18 year olds should beg for months to be assistants to any one of maybe a few thousand people 🤣

[@StretchtoYourHeart]

@@4X4ish 2:03:30

[@youtubeviolatedme7123]

I do think that it's better to get work experience as fast as possible, but it should be a part time job so you can go to college part time. That way you can get decent jobs related to your major, and even though it might take a couple more semesters to graduate, you hopefully won't be too deep in debt when you graduate.

[@Dalvaeus]

I can’t believe he didn’t put Jesse Lee Peterson in “AMAZIN” tier 😔

[@pollengoth]

JLP is Destiny's Kanye West.....why? Cause he made that bitch FAMOUS

[@bambamsixteen]

As an actual licensed plumber in Texas, lemme provided some perspective. A licensed plumber building houses(residential) is probably making around 20-25 bucks an hour, around 50k a year. A licensed plumber working on hospitals, schools, and military bases are starting at 30 an hr and, depending on amount of overtime worked, make 6 figures a year. I make more than my best friend that got an environmental science degree, but he definitely has a more enjoyable/ easier on your body gig.

[@wandarah]

That's a lot of fucking overtime...

[@sheehantkhan]

On ADHD (primarily inattentive), best way I've been able to describe it to people where it clicks for them is: You know when you drive for a while and just have racing thoughts, then when you arrive at your destination you don't remember anything about the journey, how you got there or what you were thinking about? Imagine your entire life like that.

[@JINX1441]

I don't drive but have the same feeling when walking to places I regularly walk to

[@sarsaparillagorilla441]

Bro, you describe my whole life in a paragraph.

[@Dziaji]

That's a really good way to put it. If you aren't interested in something that you are reading, and even sometimes even if you are interested, you will find yourself having read a page while thinking of something else the whole time, and not be able to remember a word of what you read. Then you go to try again, and you realize that instead of reading, you have been organizing your desktop. But if you happen to be interested in what you need to get done, ADHD can actually help you hyper concentrate on the task, while ignoring everything else in life :)

[@Douchebagus]

I think I might have ADHD then, holy hell.

[@titanattackbee1985]

ADHD isnt real

[@parzivallampruge2549]

You can tell Destiny is comfortable there by how expressive he is.

[@CRWeaventure]

True he’s in the groove 😎

[@lucinity4351]

The Vyvanse kicked in 😂

[@omgwerockhard]

Destiny rocking the homeless look

[@saulgoodman2018]

Well, he is high.

[@jasonvinson5407]

He’s obviously high or something caught me off guard towards the middle how hyped he was getting

[@perfectiondreamusa]

i didn’t know he talked to jordan peterson i’m excited to see that

[@knewhunter1]

Don't bother. You'll have to listen to "Destiny" speak again.

[@Gordo525]

@@knewhunter1 I mean, surely that's the point?

[@d4mterro320]

ye its getting posted tomorrow on jordan peterson's

[@James-vj5hz]

​@@knewhunter1that's okay, I don't mind hearing him and Peterson speak.

[@wasd3108]

@@Gordo525 Destiny haters have a hard time with logic

[@jessicatheriault4189]

I was "aimless" my first couple years of college, and I'm so glad I went. I took classes in lots of areas and found what I wanted. I went to a very reasonably priced university and I worked my way through. Paid off my 3k in loans my first year out.

[@theincrediblezit8792]

What did you end up studying?

[@jessicatheriault4189]

@theincrediblezit8792 Theater education. I'm a drama teacher now and I love it. You can make the argument that teaching is very low-paying considering the educational requirements, but I'm not sure what else would be as fulfilling.

[@CockatooDude]

@@jessicatheriault4189 Finding your work fulfilling is the most important factor anyways.

[@theincrediblezit8792]

@@jessicatheriault4189 Nice, congrats on finding what you liked!

[@greglane501]

Only 3k? What about rent and food?

[@viviciuszn]

The way you do ads IN THE MIDDLE OF A SENTENCE is infuriating.

[@jul0w0]

Good

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

Just fast forward 60 seconds exactly, its like clockwork.

[@JRuni0r]

Right? "Why do we still need MSM? With podcasts and the Internet shouldn't people tailor.... XXXXX Their wardrobe for that special occasion? With Fundies, you can get a monthly delivery of underwear tailored....." It's almost as if their succuss metrics begin, end and are wholly consumed around ad revenue while they offhandedly shit on actual professionals.

[@KalebsRevenge]

sponsorblock exists

[@jessicaDd9692]

Right it’s weird

[@Exc3ssIv3]

I do get annoyed when famous people tell the average person to “follow their passion”. It’s emblematic of them not recognizing how successful and fortunate they’ve been. For the average person, the best life they’re going to be able to achieve is to find a job that pays decent with good benefits and that they don’t hate. Combine that with good financial planning, a successful marriage and a couple hobbies you have a pretty good life that most Americans can conceivably achieve.

[@din3832]

Exactly! Follow passion is stupid, imagine if all the cleaning personel, the garbage truck driver, the garbage men, ppl working fast food, restaurants, hotels, shopping centers etc etc. Society woould just collapse. How about NOT making work your dream. Chase some other dream like have kids and a family. Myself for one couldnt folllow my passion, if i did my passion would just turn into work and then i would be sick of it and ruin this passion for me. its better to just go with what i can endure.

[@mcdick1621]

as destiny said they are the 1 percent of the one percent. that, by definition, excludes 99.99% of all other people lol

[@bartholen]

Exactly. More specifically I think this idea that you need to make your passion your job or life's work is super toxic and only sets people up for disappointment. That if you're not fulfilling your passion everyday or making money off of it means you're a failure. It took me well into my mid-20s when I actually figured out what my passion in life was, and by then I already had a degree and a job. Having an average job doesn't mean you can't follow your passion. If anything, passion is something you should do to offset or unwind from your responsibilities. This "I did it, so can you" mentality, combined with one of the guys unironically using the term "NPC bots", just makes these guys come across as pretentious with little understanding of real life. I was glad to see Destiny call them out on it so firmly.

[@Boosted_aj]

Yup. Without my partner moving out would be a plan for 8 years in the future. If even…

[@Forester-]

For the vast majority of people it's much healthier to find meaning in life apart from your career. Once I stopped trying to find happiness in my career and saw it as a means to an end my quality of life improved significantly.

[@momarkmoproblem]

Fine Arts Major here. I worked night shifts for 5 years throwing packages at UPS to pay for my degree. Then worked weekend Serving jobs to pay for my living. The actual schooling wasn't the benefit in my life looking back 22 years. It was the connections I formed. My first job was under my friend in Art School, I was hired purely on recommendation. That job lasted 8 years. My connection from college are alone were worth it. But also I'm college debt free because of the UPS program.

[@NowioART]

So in short: graduating in arts was useless, you could have had the same connections in any other field AND a better paying job

[@momarkmoproblem]

Kind of ​@@NowioARTI do personally think I would have made much more money in a variety of fields. But I'm not sure 20 years in I would have the tolerance for jobs I didn't like. I'm quite fortunate in that I learned a lot from KZbin and became successful post college. Like these guys. I hate college and have a lot of animosity for those 5 years of my life. I'm trying to say even hating it and a bad major in the end it was worth it. Due to connections.

[@Zinojn]

​@@momarkmoproblem I like this perspective. Anyone I see that craps on college usually does it because they feel it's not worth the cost. If you took the cost out of it, most people would be all in for supporting college. So the problem isn't college/university, the problem is the cost... so lets work on the cost because obviously that is the problem. The issue a lot of people on the right are starting to run into, is that their love for capitalism is biting them in the ass when they start to realize we need college graduates to build more capitalism. We need to create at least a baseline level of university that is free without debt. As basic as some of Sen Sander's policies are, his plan to increase free education past grade 12 is what we need. Relationships built in high school do not last (in my experience, and I assume some others), but relationships made in college/university are much more likely to last, and have mutual benefits.

[@turtlepope7802]

​@@NowioARTin some fields all you want is that diploma, it's a prerequisite to your life path. That's not what uni is about though, it's about bettering yourself as a human being, to learn and grow and connect with people. I don't trust a 23 year old with an art degree more than a 23 year old without any degree because they have a diploma, or because of their knowledge, I trust them more because to finish any degree you need to apply a level of dedication that a job would require. If you have a diploma you can follow and finish assignments, you can write emails, you have a willingness to learn. Those are huge in the job market.

[@NowioART]

@@turtlepope7802 ah, found the humanitarianist... be carefull not to slide the slope into the moustache mans land

[@adam-yk6yd]

I begrudgingly went to university and came out with a fairly bullshit degree which looked like a waste of money at first, but once I figured out what I wanted to do, it turned out that having a degree was a prerequisite for entry to the field and it was, in retrospect, one of the best decisions I ever made and put me in a position to earn a good living, get married and own a home. Destiny is absolutely right; if you don’t know what to do, go to school

[@jcpbd1776]

Coming from the hairstylist world, everyone’s done the “assistant” route and we’ve found that if you do anything you’re told, you’re gonna get stuck doing the busy work low skill tasks that someone else doesent wanna do, and if you skip forward 2 years you’re not gonna know how to do anything except loading laundry and washing heads, and because you’re low skill will mostly be labor, you’re profitable skills will not grow

[@MomoIsMyHero]

As a software dev, please stop telling people to go to coding bootcamps. Whenever we hire those people they suck, and AI can replace junior devs these days anyway. Also, I hate how content creators always assume everyone wants their job. Graham is saying people shouldn't go to school because they could become youtubers instead??

[@JBSCHAFFNER]

Not what they are saying, unless it’s stem you can learn other ways than a 4 year degree. I went to a technical college for c++, Java script and oracle specifically.. even 62% of STEM graduates end up in non-stem fields… Mechanics, Electricians, plumbers, truck drivers, nurses, pilots, merchant marines etc all do well without the burden of a 4 year degree.

[@MomoIsMyHero]

@@JBSCHAFFNER wtf ok tbf i'm not American so i guess it's different, but where i live you definitely cannot be a pilot or nurse without formal education.

[@Kuroganemk2]

No, they are saying that people should chill out after HS a bit and see what they realy want dumbo. Working at a shitty job can really jumpstart your carrier after you notice how much it sucks. You'll quickly figure out what you want to do if you're forced to work 10h a day with meager pay. They never said don't go to college, just to not blindly go into it and waste 4 years for a useless degree.

[@Hyperversity1]

​@@JBSCHAFFNER my wife is a nurse.and to get hired at any hospital as a floor nurse you are expected to have a 4 year degree.

[@JBSCHAFFNER]

@@Hyperversity1 my daughter and her husband are both nurses and both did it through the community college was a 1 year course and they both still worked as CNAs to start.. 6 month course

[@MileenaUltra]

Generally, I don't like ads. I really, really hate ad reads right in the middle of the conversation, though.

[@MrSlowestD16]

Regarding the college thing, Destiny is 100% right if we're talking STEM. If we're talking philosophy or a liberal arts, not necessary, but in STEM? I've had to ask my recruiter not to give me resumes anymore if they don't have a real college on there. I've wasted too much time interviewing "self taught" software engineers who learned at 8 week boot camps or whatever and are almost unilaterally terrible. As soon as they start talking it's clear they are in over their head. It happens with people who have went to college too, but nowhere near the ratio. I've worked with exactly ONE self-taught guy in my career, and he was an exception who was very very smart and self driven. All the other people I've worked with went to college, and all the interviews I've given for self taught/boot camp people were atrocious. The info is out there 100% for you to pick up on, but Destiny is 100% right that unless you have some amazing motivation to just read non-stop in your free time and go through all the shitty learnings of SW (it's not all sunshine and roses), you don't have a proper understanding of wtf you're doing or why you're doing it. Bootcamps and other self learnings teach you the fun stuff that keeps you engaged, they don't teach you the miserable shit that gives you a rock solid understanding of a concept but you had to suffer for weeks doing it. He's right that most people work better on rails. You can't compare these careers that you all have created from pure motivation to "the average person." "The average person" wants to binge watch Netflix all day and if they're young, scream about how much Capitalism sucks on Twitter/Reddit. There is a lot of motivation that goes into being self taught or self made. The trades are certainly a good option, but it's not even in the same ballpark as engineering or more broadly STEM. Ask any 50 year old carpenter how he feels and he'll have a whole list of shit that's wrong with him. Before I became an engineer I wanted to be a mechanic, and every older mechanic I talked to told me not to do it. That their backs hurt, their knees hurt, their hands hurt, and it's quite the strain on the body. So now I sit at home behind a desk or sit at work behind a desk and make a very comfortable 6 figure salary which many young people would say makes me 'rich', and which goes up every year to make sure I don't suffer from the reality that is inflation, and then a 6 figure bonus on top of that. But the reality is that we can't all be anything. If we were all engineers there'd be nobody to work at taco bell, and I'd get paid a hell of a lot less because the market would be saturated. Don't go to college just to drift, but don't just drift either. If you know what you want to do pursue it, and you don't need a college degree to deliver coffee, but college educated earnings still far out-pace high school educated and trade earnings, and that's after you lump in all the liberal arts majors who don't get to use their degree, which waters down the #'s.

[@Nomarcaper]

Just to add though, the biggest reason why not everyone is an engineer is because not every one can do it. It almost always balances itself out, which is why the push for everyone to go to college was so damaging to millennial/older genZ. Not everyone can do college well, and that’s okay. We need the tradesmen who are good with their hands, we need those who are willing to work low skill but high labor jobs. Everyone has purpose and worth somewhere. Engineering pays well (comparatively) is due to it being a hard degree, expected to continue learning (FE and PE exams in the US), higher stake decision making, and it’s a multi skill job (finances, engineering applications, networking, codes and standards, politics sometimes, etc).

[@BrewskiBoy]

Not reading that essay

[@razcarsey6635]

"but don't just drift either." That's a huge point right there, imo. People fantasize about starting a business, or getting famous or hustling and grinding to get rich. But without a well-established path to follow, a lot of people literally don't have the energy, understanding or accountability to make that happen. Then they hit 35 without a 401K and realize that there was this whole other world out there - tailor made for them had they just listened to their guidance councilor. Instead, they chose to dive in with the salmon and will end up swimming against the current for the rest of their lives.

[@martymcfly88mph35]

I see too many people on reddit telling others "go into the trades". Like, no, don't actually lol. These people get offended if you say "not all Republicans are nazis" and they think they'll be able to work around a bunch of tough old blue collar conservative dudes all day? It's such terrible advice to give to the younger generation. If you think there's 72 genders, you won't do well in the trades and should probably go to college and get an office job with an HR department.

[@munster1404]

I worked in the trades as a boilerman. My conclusion : don't do it i.e. trades if you have some modicum of academic ability. I have third degree burns (fortunately not the debilitating kind), chronic joint pains by the time I reached 40. I wish the wage gap between the hands that work and the mind that thinks/innovate/create can be narrowed. But until that happens, get a degree if you can.

[@Jockito]

Going to college and getting an engineering degree has been one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. I love my job and those years of studying absolutely has paid itself back. I'm so glad my parents encouraged me to study and go to college.

[@charlesmiv3842]

Sounds like a bot comment to me

[@Jockito]

@@charlesmiv3842 You may think so, but it's true. Clearly I'm giving my experience based on my career path, which is obviously not for everyone. My opinion about arts degrees may be different. But when it comes to STEM, in particular electrical engineering which is what I do, it's a no brainer for me. Is it possible to be an electrical engineer without a degree? Maybe so. Are you much, much more likely to get a job with a degree? Of course. If you disagree, I'd like to know why.

[@GregMartin81]

I don't think anyone on the show opposed or challenged getting an engineering degree...

[@kanekiken2376]

Did him SO dirty with that thumbnail 😂

[@OrionBlaze]

nah fr

[@stdamonsbeard]

No that’s just how he looks.

[@alex_jalapeno]

*her

[@CrungySpungus]

Least photogenic person on earth

[@Collie_Pollie]

he looks doughy 🤤

[@itsmeben604]

I love that you guys are bringing on strong female representation like this.

[@Biotiq_]

Destiny is exactly the female Andrew Tate warned us about.

[@cb4354]

Telling 2010 jokes. Very original. Yawn

[@mariomaro7]

​@@cb4354Saying "yawn" online in 2024. Very original *dab*

[@johnnyapplesmith]

⁠@@mariomaro7Saying “dab” online in 2024 very original. Poggers

[@MG-ul3mi]

ambatukam@@johnnyapplesmith

[@cyclonebicep2316]

Trades do pay well, they just dont tell you that you have to work 7/12s to be paid a lot

[@conaldeugenepeterson2147]

If by “a lot” you mean 100k, but I started at 42k a year after a 9 month CNC Machinist program. 5 years later I’m around 60k, and work an average of 45 hours per week. A decent trade can get you a comfortable upper middle class living if you’re smart about where you live. Many critical trades are starving for new talent, and wages are rising as a result.

[@christophercoles2718]

I make 120usd doing my trade working 50h/week

[@TomEagle3]

Uniquely in regional Australia, certain trades earn huge money, electricians and welders can start as high as 80k and that’s pretty normal. Often going up to 250k for welders and 150k for electricians. My advice is to join large industry protected by unions

[@Queef_Storm]

@@TomEagle3Verifying this as an Australian, Aussie tradies get paid more than lawyers

[@southernrebel9942]

@@TomEagle3so your saying an American welder can move to Australia and make fucking bank?

[@info_dash313]

So grateful I went to college and got a degree. I made incredible connections, met people who were beyond the humdrum of high school sweethearts, had my views challenged, and thankfully landed a well paid job due these connections. I also learned enough critical thinking to understand the world outside of my bubble. You better know exactly what you want to do with life if you're planning on ditching college for 7.99 an hour at Tesco and blaming all the liberal arts majors for your personal failure as a human.

[@donnathelightningbug]

The boys could do the funniest thing right now by having next week's guest be LilyPichu

[@aClownBaby-]

Probably too right-wing for them

[@etanafeya7219]

And talk only about politics, migrants issue, Ukraine war and Gaza bombing 😂

[@anime_god8412]

W Graham😂🎉​@@GrahamStephan

[@rohanjarande]

​@@aClownBaby-😂😂😂😂

[@mariomaro7]

She's my favorite feminist, thank you guys for bringing Destiny on 😊

[@davip5733]

AAMAAZZIN

[@johnathanvale8634]

Who?

[@RICKYAKIMBO]

The black female representation on this podcast is so good to see

[@mahaffer71]

These are just off the top of my head on the good Trump has done. 1)prisoners reform act "the first step act" A law that makes important criminal justice reforms, shortens mandatory minimum sentences for nonviolent drug crimes and provides judges greater liberty to go around mandatory minimums.The bill allows offenders sentenced under racially motivated mandatory minimums to petition for their cases to be re-evaluated, This change will help "Many African-American offenders who were disproportionately punished for crack dealing while white drug dealers got off easier for selling powder cocaine. 10-20% of the inmates sentence got reduce depending on your news source 1.1) The First Step Act provides rehabilitative programs to inmates, helping them successfully rejoin society and not return to crime. 2)3000 federal inmates are returning to their families because of Trumps prisoners reform act within that month. 10-20% of the inmates sentence got reduce depending on your news source 3)Trump signs an executive order to launch an urban council of 100 billion dollars into the black community 4)Lowest unemployment rate EVER for blacks, asians, and hispanics before the pandemic and bragged about it PROUDLY. a racist wouldn't do that. 4.1)Lowest poverty rate EVER for blacks and hispanics 4.2household income-the amount earned by those in the very middle-hit $65,084 (in 2019 dollars) for the 12 months ending in July. That’s the highest level ever and a gain of $4,144, or 6.8%, since Mr. Trump took office. By comparison, during 7½ years under President Obama-starting from the end of the recession in June 2009 through January 2017-the median household income rose by only about $1,000 www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-middle-class-economic-progress-11569786435 5)The Trump Administration has fought for a federal tax credit on donations that fund scholarships to private schools, a proposal supported by 64% of African Americans and Opportunity Zones created by the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act will create jobs and spur investment into disadvantaged communities that represent as many as 1.4 million minority households 6)Tiger Woods receives highest civilian award Medal of Freedom from Donald Trump 7)The growing U.S. economy and improving business environment is bringing black workers back into the labor force, BET founder Robert Johnson tells CNB www.cnbc.com/2018/04/06/bet-founder-trump-economy-brings-black-workers-back-into-labor-force.html 7.1)A recent survey has found that black business ownership has skyrocketed over 400 percent in one year. According to a survey conducted by the LendingClub and Guidant Financial, among the 2,600 entrepreneurs surveyed, 45 percent of the small business owners in the country are owned by minority ethnic groups, with the most being owned by African Americans at 19 percent. While 63 percent of the business owners are men, 38 percent are owned by women.madamenoire.com/1036822/black-business-ownership-jumped-400-percent/ 8)Trump invites the young black leadership to the white housewww.cnbc.com/2019/10/04/watch-trump-speaks-at-young-black-leadership-summit.html 9)1st black woman nominated by President Donald Trump to be Marine brigadier general and LATER WAS PROMOTED TO BRIGADIER GENERAL 10)Signed VA Choice Act significantly imrpoved 10.1)VA Accountability Act, VA employees are being held accountable for poor performance, with more than 4,000 VA employees removed, demoted, and suspended so far. 10.2)expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care. 11)He created a White House VA Hotline to help veterans and principally staffed it with veterans and direct family members of veterans 12)Trump forgives $750 million in student loans for disabled vets 13)Trump signs executive order on health care price transparency. President Donald Trump signs an executive order June 24 that aims to force hospitals to disclose the costs of health care services. The order directs the Department of Health and Human Services to issue a new rule that mandates hospitals reveal the price of procedures in a "patient-friendly" format. Trump also aims to require health care providers tell patients upfront what their out-of-pocket costs will be based on their individual insurance coverage 13.1)Hospitals will now be required to post their standard charges for services, which include the discounted price a hospital is willing to accept. 14)Trump Signs New, Expanded Executive Order to Lower U.S. Drug Priceswww.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2020-09-13/trump-says-he-has-signed-new-executive-order-to-lower-drug-prices 14.1)Trump admin opens door to allow drug importation from Canada Four states -- Florida, Vermont, Colorado and Maine -- recently passed laws to set up drug importation programs, though they all need approval from HHS. 15)In the eight years prior to President Trump’s inauguration, prescription drug prices increased by an average of 3.6% per year. Under Trump, drug prices have seen year-over-year declines in nine of the last ten months, with a 1.1% drop as of the most recent month. Yes individual ones have gone up, but when you put all together it has gone down. 15.1)Trump signs 4 executive orders on lowering drug price kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5PQp3aqh7hpqdE 15.2)Executive order lowering Prices for Patients by Eliminating Kickbacks to Middlemen 16)Reformed Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs-saving seniors 100’s of millions of $$$ this year alone.???? 17)President Donald Trump signed the National Suicide Hotline Improvement Act, legislation that requires the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to conduct a study to assess the feasibility of implementing a three-digit dialing code for a national suicide prevention and mental health crisis hotline system 18)Trump's executive order will direct the government to take steps intended to cut the cost of care and increase kidney donations. And as part of the strategy, Health and Human Services will announce new payment models intended to shift treatment for patients with chronic kidney disease away from standalone clinics, arguing that receiving dialysis at home is both safer for patients and more cost-effective. 19)Trump signs $1.8 billion autism funding bill 20)The right to try act. Which is if the hospital has done everything they can and can't cure you. You get to try any experimental drugs/operation 21)Trump signed a law ending the gag orders on Pharmacists that prevented them from sharing money-saving information. 22)2019 President Trump signed into law two funding packages providing nearly $19 million in new funding for Lupus specific research and education programs, as well an additional $41.7 billion in funding for the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the most Lupus funding EVER. 23)executive order on campus to have free speech Executive Order 13864 of March 21, 2019 Improving Free Inquiry, Transparency, and Accountability at Colleges and Universities 24)The PACT Act President Donald Trump signed a bill that makes animal cruelty a federal felony which stands for Preventing Animal Cruelty and Torture 25) trade deals are great Japan, Guatemala, Saudi Arabia, India, Nafta, and china deals are amazing making US a trillion dollars 26)Companies have brought back over a TRILLION dollars from overseas because of the TCJA bill that Trump signed. 27)Secured $250 billion in new trade and investment deals in China, $12 billion in Vietnam, 7.2 billion (U.S. farm goods, with tariffs lowered or scrapped on American beef, pork, wheat, cheese, corn and wine)from japan, 13 billion from Saudi, Nafta deal is more than $1.2 trillion 28)President Trump’s historic tax cut legislation included new Opportunity Zone Incentives to promote investment in low-income communities across the country. home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm530 29)8,764 communities across the country have been designated as Opportunity Zones.

[@Moh_Mocha]

​@@mahaffer71and? 😂😂😂 Now do Biden, how many can you name? But in all honesty, thank you for breaking it down like this.

[@johnschaefer4905]

I 100% agree with Destiny on the college conversation when it comes to programming jobs. I got my computer science degree from a state school and spent less than $25,000 total (a lot of which came from housing my freshman year) and I was able to obtain a job before I graduated. Going to a university for computer science over a coding boot camp is more expensive, however, you get WAY more resources and WAY more options for your career. Career fairs, company visits, and other university activities make it DIFFICULT for stem majors to not get a job after college. As long as your not a horrible student, and if you pursued any type of internship and/or undergraduate research, going to college for a computer science degree will be affordable and on average will get a higher percentage of graduates jobs vs. a boot camp.

[@dylanholmes3067]

same for a lot of finance jobs if you get a internship through your college and don't fuck it up you will most likely get hired by that company every time.

[@cunt5413]

25k is a sweet deal compared to what student loans I've seen people rack up.

[@johnschaefer4905]

@@cunt5413yeah that’s why going to an in state school is so nice. I had a basic academic scholarship, and if I could’ve lived off campus my freshman year, it would’ve been more like 15-17k

[@cunt5413]

@@johnschaefer4905 I also went to a state uni but it's set up a bit differently in my country. You only pay for private schools. Didn't know that you have this option in the US and it seems like a no-brainer. Finishing my master's was insanely stressful and I can't imagine having to then deal with hundreds of thousands of debt.

[@mint8648]

What do you think will happen to computer science majors as ai gets more advanced?

[@thecooljohn100]

Destiny is very correct on the financial part of this podcast. My entire friend group was split down the middle with one half going to college and the other half did not. Those that did f**ked off for 4 years, had the time of their lives, and now have jobs that pay higher than the average annual wage and will be making more and more from now on. My friends that didn't go to college bounced around from job to job aimlessly and got beat up by life and did not enjoy those 4 years after high school. It is TOUGH out here for young people. I'm a vehicle collision repair tech because luckily my father is one and got me into it. It requires long hours and is hard on my body. I'm surrounded by toxic chemicals. I'm the only person in the entire car shop that wears a N95 mask the entire day because no one else cares about breathing in toxic bondo and metal dust. Everyone works more than 40 hours a week. Some work around 60. They make good money but it's a trade off. You spend 90% of your awake time at work. You get a total of 2 paid weeks off for the entire year. Healthcare thankfully is a thing at this profession. I regret not going to college for mechanical/civil engineering. You don't start off doing fun jobs, but towards the middle of my career I would've been able to choose which companies I wanted to work for and I could have been a part of some fun/interesting projects.

[@anthonysanchez5429]

Eh sounds like it just worked out for you. I didn't go to college and was able to secure a union job pretty easily. Most of the people I meet/have met at jobs have degrees that they are not using. Obviously if you go to college to become an engineer or doctor and graduate you will be successful. Most people don't choose that pathway. Its already been proven that majority of people who graduate with a degree don't even use it once they start working. College isn't for everyone and people who don't go arn't automatically failures. Also I've noticed that people with degrees and without them all have one problem, working so many hours. Like man that is so depressing and I ain't doing that. That is not "success" to me. I'd rather have an average paying job with a 40 hour workweek than working 50-60 hours a week for better pay/benefits. That amount of skills, learning and hobbies I could do in that free time is worth the pay cut.

[@DevinMacGregor]

@@anthonysanchez5429 They are using it though, just not the major part. I have techs with no college that do not know how to spell or do not know the correct words to use. It is loaner not loner. It is missed not mist.

[@tavarish]

there goes my next 3 hours.

[@mitchellbrothers990]

You get a divorce from your wife for taking destiny advice of pimping out your wife too? Didn't take you for such a f'n beta.

[@nodekapunk]

Get back to working on the P1! :p

[@arcanernz]

KZbinrs unite

[@isuk]

Put a Prius engine in the P1 🗿

[@Drdirtydee]

Yep

[@tylersimmons909]

That beginning part about how people are ideological and not independent thinkers, I thought about that for years but never knew how to put it into words. It’s really makes debating the average person basically useless and it’s very annoying when people can not think for themselves or be open to new ideas that don’t follow their ideology

[@asrius]

on the other hand it's unreasonable to expect that people can figure every issue out for themselves, against all pressures, against opinion of all authorities, or even have the time to. on that there is a golden middle where you are open to new arguments and don't react just impulsively but also highly respect actualy(!) authorities like science consensus for example.

[@majestic5579]

The problem is now everybody thinks they need to have an opinion on every topic and have full conviction in that opinion. There is nothing wrong with understanding the limit of your knowledge on a subject and having either no opinion, or less conviction.

[@popermen694]

It’s the worst right? I post a comment asking people to consider that maybe they could be wrong. And to read up on x,y,z and they lose their minds. I can’t even get them past the first step of “I could be wrong on this subject because I am just following whatever X media tells me”. There is nothing but immediate dismissal of this notion and then attacking me for lying (even though I never made a claim beyond asking them to consider theirs). And yes I always start out by saying the same about me. Oh well.

[@__keys]

For the right it's that you "just don't see it, use common sense" and the left insists that all the authoritative sources say it is so. Neither of them know anything about the topic

[@96ej]

That's the very reason I don't identify with one party through and through that's the silly way to align oneself, I tend to lean one way most of the time but I'd rather think more of myself than let somebody do it for me especially when their incentive is my vote

[@connormuise]

"We're the one percent of the one percent" "But who's to say everyone can't do that" ...MATH!

[@kevintheshane]

Lol yep. Blinded by survivorship bias.

[@HaraQuinn]

yeah.. that reply of 'anyone can do this' gave me some hard Sneako flashbacks lol

[@cecynay7369]

The median of the bell curve can upgrade in capitalism. It's the entire reason that socialism fails.. everyone is equally poor. Yes, there will still be a .01% class, but everyone can go out and get more wealth.

[@ezequielrenovato6608]

It might be more so the majority of ppl won’t do it, not that they can’t do it

[@connormuise]

@@ezequielrenovato6608 A majority can never become the 1% by definition

[@BassTonix]

Wow, okay what a strange feeling. I also cried when being forced to do math homework, I never did my homework if I could get away with it, and also had to get my mom, and my teachers to sign off on a notebook for what my homework was and if I did it. Focusing is agonizing.

[@rrrrr.55555]

in the most recent convo between destiny and Dr k. he talks more about his experience with adhd if you're interested in listening to that. look it up here in youtube. good luck focusing 💖

[@dsokoll9184]

My brothers and I constantly had to get our homework signed off on like that

[@sababaratashvili8629]

I was opposite I ahte literature because I was forced to memorize it and reicite it as it was written.

[@gislo]

Creds to the editor... cutting in photos of for example desantis, tim pool etc. makes it easier as a watcher to follow

[@spacetoast7783]

I liked the definition of SJW lol

[@thebigNT]

1:53:00 Destiny is based here. Best decision was going to a solid 4-year state school for engineering. My job security is miles above most who didn't go to school or went to a coding boot camp.

[@LucyLarkspur]

And the great thing is, Destiny himself is a college dropout too and yet he still understands that he got lucky and knows the value of college to employers

[@castahz]

Meh, Best decision I made was going into the I.T workforce 4 years earlier, I outperformed my peers who had just gotten out of college and was already making more money. To some career's, experience is more valuable than the degree.

[@jilianh]

My husband taught himself how to code on codecademy for fun and it ended up leading to a secure, over 6 figure career change from a completely unrelated field he had a degree for. My career still very much needs a formal post secondary education from an accredited school. It really depends on the field and your goals.

[@Teting7484f]

Tech boot camps are scams very few will be smart enough to go to faang

[@thebigNT]

@@jilianh All valid replies here!

[@aljaztajhman5672]

I like that the youtuber i watched many many years ago for a, "slightly surface level" real estate stuff, is now interested in these deep debates. It's actually very nice to see the growth.

[@BasementDwellingGremlin]

The 1st convo was great but it was more of a “Destiny’s Greatest Hits” compilation, this interview he was a lot more comfortable and we got to hear his opinions on a wide variety of things. Great Job!

[@bennymountain1]

Opinions that hosts didn't like so much 😂

[@jaanireel]

Trump's support due to economic policies and representation of anger 01:47 Destiny discussing preparation for debate with Ben Shapiro 04:50 Adapting debating style based on the person 06:25 Debate dynamics and frustrations with addressing societal issues 09:28 Externalities like pollution are not factored into the cost. 11:09 Debate on the potential benefits of eating bugs like crickets 14:31 The danger of slipping into ideologies and the need for ideological congruency in society. 16:10 Being partisan and adhering to a specific ideology can hinder open-mindedness and exploration of other viewpoints. 19:09 The need for a common enemy to unite people 20:40 Oracle Cloud Infrastructure (OCI) offers faster AI model training at a lower cost. 23:47 Dominance of far-left and far-right on social media 25:16 Visibility of radical right compared to left 28:07 Parties are very different in what they stand for 29:25 Trump's support based on anger and humor, not policies 32:08 Being receptive to opposing viewpoints is important in a developed nation like the United States. 33:35 Adherence to personal political ideology 36:19 Being open-minded and willing to debate controversial topics 37:43 Impact of changing political views on employees 40:26 It's your responsibility to improve yourself regardless of fault. 41:56 Take responsibility for personal actions 45:02 Recognizing and addressing personal limitations 46:24 Discovering ADHD and family history 49:20 ADHD and the challenge of focusing on delayed rewards. 50:44 Impact of Adderall on ADHD 53:13 Discussion on using medication sparingly 54:36 ADHD overdiagnosis and environmental factors 57:27 Struggling with focus and medication at 34 58:58 Perception of laziness and study habits in high school 1:01:35 Difference between leftist, liberal, and progressive 1:03:10 Defining Political Ideologies 1:06:06 Destiny had a negative experience with a 10.5 G dried mushroom trip 1:07:32 Experiencing an intense psychedelic trip on mushrooms 1:10:20 The shift from being anti-SJW to being perceived as conservative. 1:11:48 Discussion about people who claim to be moderate Trump supporters 1:14:42 Biden's legislative agenda matches Democratic party composition 1:16:14 Republican party lost its center with only Donald Trump in leadership 1:19:06 Discussion on conspiracy theories and political indictments 1:20:34 Taking classified material out of a secured area is not a crime. 1:23:35 Limiting free speech can be in the people's interest 1:24:59 Platforming controversial ideas 1:27:49 Journalists incentivized by negativity 1:29:17 Are people drawn to negative stuff because of their decent real life? 1:32:22 Misreporting of allegations leads to unjust repercussions 1:34:01 Debate on the Central Park incident 1:36:46 Media sources should use 'allegedly' and be questioned for credibility. 1:38:15 Journalists should have hard conversations with controversial figures. 1:41:14 The need for comprehensive immigration reform and additional funding for border systems. 1:42:39 State Governors defying the federal government 1:45:26 The debate on the increasing illegal immigrant population in the US 1:46:48 Immigration concerns and revenue sources 1:49:42 Investment strategy and success 1:51:07 Importance of education and employment without a degree 1:53:52 The opportunity cost of wasting four years in school 1:55:16 Student loan debt and aimless education 1:58:11 College is an investment in oneself 1:59:31 Financial independence is stressful and not for everyone 2:02:15 Choosing a non-STEM degree or not having a rich family can lead to uncertainty after college. 2:03:30 Finding work experience through practical opportunities 2:06:13 Building mentor relationships and seeking help from influencers 2:07:42 Debating the value of a college degree 2:10:25 The unique opportunity to exclusively invest in yourself 2:11:48 Debate on Financial Independence and Retirement Early movement 2:14:32 Balancing work and enjoying life 2:15:51 Finding like-minded people regardless of age 2:18:52 Real estate agenting for 5-7 years and the struggle with needing to make sales 2:20:23 Importance of budgeting and controlling outflow for financial stability. 2:23:36 Legal system favors the wealthy 2:25:02 Destiny's open relationship and views on relationships 2:27:53 Struggles with communication and setting boundaries in relationships 2:29:17 Managing emotional challenges and having high emotional baseline 2:32:03 Losing half in marriage and divorce 2:33:32 Discussion about deeper emotional connections in relationships 2:36:11 Importance of exclusivity in relationships. 2:37:40 Striving for independent thinking and core beliefs 2:41:05 Discussion on different political figures 2:42:43 Various opinions on different public figures 2:46:25 Discussion on polarizing figures in political commentary 2:47:56 Rating of public figures based on personal opinions 2:51:21 Criticism of purveyors of misinformation and obsession over culture wars issues.

[@leetjohnson]

You do realize there are automatic chapters already up?

[@TheJordanK]

I’d vote for you as President for this.

[@sean4060]

Wow you have nothing better to do than spend an hour doing this ?

[@jaanireel]

@@sean4060 bro i spend less then 10 secod to make this

[@CRWeaventure]

I regret clicking “read more”

[@sladjaraicevic]

Love how you guys are pushing and challenging your guests.. This is what I want to see Chris Williamson do more of :)

[@735337707]

And Lex

[@deeky1239]

Williamson is more concerned with clout than rocking the boat. His convo with Rogan was a joke.

[@SnorkZiE]

I went to university because I had no idea what I wanted to do. Started studying, met friends for life and tons of valuable contacts for the future. Some subjects sucked, others were super interesting and slowly I found out what I wanted to do. Have had the joy of my life while studying and I’ve matured as a human being. Moved away from my parents, had to take care of myself och grew more independant. Going to college is not only about studying and getting a degree to get a job. It’s an investment in yourself where you learn how to be an adult. And the things I’ve experienced as a student has been the most fun and valuable in my whole life so far. I would 100% recommend it to anyone who doesn’t know what to do in life. Because you’ll eventually figure it out if you’re with good people in a good setting, and college/university is an ideal place for that.

[@SamNL]

2:21:36 Progressive penalties ABSOLUTELY need to be a thing. The whole point of a penalty/fine is to prevent people from doing it by hurting them financially, or punishing them if they have done it. This completely goes out of the window when someone can afford fine after fine after fine. Just ask yourself; how many more traffic violations would be pulled if the maximum fine was 5 dollars? Because that is the case for very, very rich people.

[@HoustonTom]

While I think universities aren’t for everyone, it’s also naive to think everyone should just find their careers with bootcamps or short term certificates. And when Graham says 50% of open jobs don’t require a degree, that still means the degree holder can apply for 100% of the jobs and the high school grad can’t.

[@Winamp_]

What's up with the tier list? That was the most genius implementation in the show!

[@barrypoontang]

its the most overused meta for the streaming community like twitch. In most cases its who the hottest anime booba but you get the idea...

[@Ellefsen97]

@@barrypoontangWhen it’s not in a meme context, it’s a great way to facilitate discussions. Like here with political figures and in sports to rank teams/athletes

[@Call-Me-Mo]

I'm an electrician apprentice at the age of 30. I make 22 an hour and will be making around 40 when I get my journeyman in 4 years. This is on the lower side of what electricians can make. Hvac, pipe fitting, and certain other trades are in the same boat. The trades are a great option for people that don't know what they want to do with their life.

[@martymcfly88mph35]

Yes, but... as an HVAC jman, it's definitely not for everyone. Working in the trades is hard and you work around tough old dudes all day. If you're the type of person that screams and cries and soils yourself when you get misgendered, it's probably not a good idea. That's why I put the brakes on when I see redditors tell other redditors "go into the trades, my brother makes bank".

[@jlong908]

How many hours per week? OT?

[@iAnon666]

i have a little over 3 years of experience driving a semi, i was just short of 90k last year with full benefits, my benefits package including my income was about 97k. i got this job with about a year and half of experience. if im willing to move anywhere, for the objective of work, there are several companies offering 120k+ per year. i work 60+ hours a week but i am home every night. most trucking companies dont give overtime pay, you get paid per mile and have an hourly rate when on duty but not driving. i drive 2500+ miles each week and work for 12+ hours a day but you can make decent money in a lot of trades. the electrical company i worked for previously had electrician foremen making 125k+ per year. that was colorado, my trucking job is in the southern us.

[@spacetoast7783]

What country? This is not a particularly high wage in the USA.

[@Call-Me-Mo]

@jlong908 50 hours per week 5 10s, with a 6th day optional.) yes overtime. Will vary greatly depending on the company you work for

[@Metruzero]

When it comes to college for tech jobs. Destiny is 100% right. I've been programming since I was 14 years old. I spun my wheels avoiding college going, "Oh I don't need college, I'm good enough without the degree." Literally no company ever got back to me. I was always passed up right off the bat. One day I said, "Fuck it, let's go get the piece of paper." I went back, classes were all super easy because I have a ton of self taught experience, graduated with the degree in a few years. the thing that blew my mind the most wasn't that the degree alone got me a job, it was actually all the professors, college classmates, and references I built up over those years, connections that are almost impossible for self taught people to accumulate. Now, I work a job at a huge tech company, where technically, on none of their job postings does it say they require a bachelors, IN FACT, after the interview, the recruiter scrubs all the interview feedback of names, background, pronouns, etc before it goes to the hiring committee for review. So in theory this environment is the BEST for self taught coders to apply to and thrive. Of the hundreds of people I've interacted with since I got here, I have yet to meet a single person who didn't go to college. And of the people I've interacted with at other companies, they all also went to college. I know it's a common story of, "Oh plenty of people are self taught in coding and get jobs." I have only met one person ever who does and it's for a 60k per year web design job where they do simple html tasks. Those engineers that are making the big bucks at 100k per year plus, 99% of them went to college. Don't let your kids or friends tell themselves that they are built different and they'll make it with self taught. Plus, people say that college debt is the reason they don't go. I got my college degree with financial aid and loans. I went to a state school and graduated with total loans of 14k. It was fully paid off in 6 months after I found work. And I'm making over 4 times more now than my previous maximum income before college working in tech support. Go to college.

[@mattwong5403]

I'm assuming the people who do coding bootcamps and immediately get hired at FAANG companies are the ones who already had a 4 year degree and a high paying job in another field (ex: marketing, HR, or finance) and decided to change careers

[@Djsjechel]

I started learning coding when I was about 13 (granted it was simple websites) and around 18 started playing around with coding actual software / app / programs. Never graduated college. Got an entry level tech support job at a software company and although I got interviews and passed all the “coding challenges” just fine, I was never offered a job and part of me firmly believes it’s because I don’t have a degree. In fact, afterwards I asked one of the hiring managers if he had any advice for me and he literally said “go back and get your degree”. And this was at a company that doesn’t “require” degrees for any of their positions. So yes, everyone, GET A DEGREE.

[@Metruzero]

@@Djsjechel If you don't mind me asking, did you get a degree?

[@Djsjechel]

@@Metruzero no. I started an associates in web and software development but never finished. Life and kids got in the way. Did a complete 180 and work in a plant nursery now. Not making anywhere near what I would as a software engineer but I love gardening so at least it’s enjoyable.

[@youngblackid]

Damn that was a bar, "The further you pull back on a sling shot the farther you get away from your target"

[@AkshatSharma-qx9wh]

Crazy😂

[@reggymcmonkey5737]

let out an audible "DAMN" when he said that

[@rischmoller1]

Bro this podcast is always a blast but something about today was different. Yall seemed way more prepared and the questions were deeper. Love to see you guys grow and do better here

[@sunnysangha2097]

how was this deep?

[@AdamX1124]

@@sunnysangha2097It seems like they did a ton of prep on Destiny and did a great job at being ready to immerse themselves a little bit in his world. Maybe they are just fans of his content but honestly whatever it was it had a great outcome

[@zachharman9503]

Love this podcast - but are you guys using some type of software to change the sound of the mics/tone and also cut and speed things up on the listening apps? I have noticed this on the Spotify podcasts, but not here on KZbin.

[@Fantazy1028]

The thing that really frustrates me about how Graham thinks about college is that he thinks it’s exclusive to gaining real world experience. As a full time triple major business student I have made some of the most industry connections I have ever had and those connections have converted into internships and part time jobs. Being in college doesn’t preclude you from exploring your passions or getting “literally any job” as he puts it or even starting your own business- if anything it helps! Even his out of touch assistant idea can work in tandem with college. Just because you’re a student doesn’t mean you’re wasting four years of your life. Why not explore those options IN TANDEM with college so you can have the safety net of a degree? I just don’t get it.

[@debrachambers1304]

Also, you have the whole summer during which you probably aren't doing (m)any classes.

[@IamnotMattyHealy]

Just canvassed with this dude in Ohio. He means what he says he’s the only politics streamer who goes and does political activism IRL.

[@aitothechamp7263]

Where he at tho

[@IamnotMattyHealy]

@@aitothechamp7263???

[@gameplaystudent]

dggL

[@MH-bw9zt]

Not the only. There were quite a few streamers with him but they just aren't as well known

[@IamnotMattyHealy]

@@MH-bw9ztbruh that’s what I meant those guys too

[@j-wenning]

It seems like the major argument against college here is just a matter of debt. It sounds, to me, that maybe we should be attempting to address the cost of higher education, rather than spinning our wheels considering and fantasizing about hypothetical alternatives that would only work for a small subset of the population.

[@sneakers_guy5488]

Depending on what you mean by alternative methods of education, I think it can be a positive avenue in the future, hopefully. I say this specifically in regard to the FAANG sort of companies presenting education platforms to fast track young people toward working for these companies. You gotta think if the jobs are there, these private company diplomas would be cheaper, be able to be completed faster than a 4 year undergrad degree, and provides you with skills and experience that will be desired by the company that is educating you. Seems pretty efficient to me if the supply of jobs meet the demand of students who'd be taking these education programs.

[@burgholte]

It’s not the debt. We don’t have college debt in Germany and this is still something that’s being discussed. The main argument is that, in many cases, for example when studying business, the degree is nothing more than a ticket will make companies look at your resume. Basically, the state subsidies companies by pre- selecting their potential workers. A business degree does nothing for the ability of someone working a job in most companies, 99% of skill is learned during work. And the same thing goes for other degrees aswell, some are straight up useless and you won’t find a job and others are generally useful but >50% of the stuff that your learning is not necessary. Explain to me why everybody that gets a bachelors degree needs to write a bachelor thesis? A bachelor thesis is a way to learn how to research and write a scientific paper. In the vast majority of cases it has no added value. How many people that go into a company will need this skill? How many people with a degree go into research themselves?

[@buckyhurdle4776]

@@burgholte Any kind of formalized training or school boils down to "Here's how they did it 15 years ago, learn this for now, your boss will figure out the rest."

[@table2187]

High school should teach students about cost benefit and how to evaluate opportunities. A long with learning about debt, finances, taxes, etc. When I got my undergraduate it was a trash degree. I learned later to start evaluating a degree as an investment. I’ll pay $x and when I get out I’ll be making $y. Is it worth it and how can I lower X to make y better or a higher return. It’s true that some people don’t need to go to college and the trades are ideal.

[@Rin22730]

I think though because everyone goes to get degrees it has oversaturated any job market that requires the degree, making it much harder to get the higher paying jobs with those degrees. So the debt is only worth it if you can acquire a job rather quickly. The trades are just more important to society, and have much less financial risk associated, you can really only gain from it.

[@zackleonard8559]

I was diagnosed with ADHD (Moderate Hyperactivity, Severe Distractibility) at age 7 and I've been on meds ever since. I went cold turkey for grade 11 and it was the hardest school year of my life. My GPA went from 2.5 to 3.7 when I went back on for Grade 12.

[@majuice7044]

A little late but as far as college goes I’m going to reluctantly agree with destiny on this subject. I’m currently 1 step below an electrical engineer but I cannot become one simply because I did not go to college and you have to have 4 years of school to become a professional engineer.

[@ezequielrenovato6608]

What is the reason for that? I’m sure there’s a valid reason for businesses do to make it a requirement, but what is that reason? I work in a chemical plant. Operators in the past were allowed to be promoted into manager roles. Nowadays those positions are reserved for engineers/college graduates. Idk why they made this change, plenty of operators have shown their capabilities when it comes to these manager positions.

[@ProtoxxGaming]

Finally someone keeping it real about college vs no college

[@JavierPwns]

I see you Protoxx

[@firefly9838]

Destiny is stuck in 2006 with his advice. No reason to go to college outside of STEM but he has to justifiy him going to himself.

[@thomaswalmsley8959]

@@firefly9838 usually college dropouts don't have to justify going to college to themselves or others.

[@pepegaplays4023]

@firefly9838 what if u just have a passion for studying something and want to follow that passion?

[@jambo5936]

@@firefly9838i dont think he has to justify that, he dropped out, and says he went in the firstplace only because he loved music. Even if i dont end up working in biology i would still value what i learned greatly

[@jonw8271]

Great episode, I've been loving the variety of guests recently

[@starspaceschool587]

Was great to watch the better the person was the worse rating he gave them unless they were nice to him.

[@BigDaaave]

The college discussion is making me lol 😂 Destiny nailed this shit. Out of fucking touch dude. “Hi, I wanna be an artist, can I assist you?” Fuck lmao

[@nellyosetrov1199]

The entire college vs no college section made me viscerally angry. Like oh my goodness maybe ask us college aged kids what we think. I don’t want advice from a bloke who never went to university and became a millionaire off of real estate l m a o . Just because ur path worked does not mean it works for us all.

[@perfectiondreamusa]

trying to beat college as an avenue to success is like trying to beat the market as an investor. can some people do it? yes. can you do it? almost definitely not. what should most people do? just go to college and invest in the market.

[@starspaceschool587]

Depends on the degree outside of STEM college is like betting on doge coin on margin.

[@clint3868]

@@starspaceschool587there are a a lot of majors outside of stem that have good roi too. Idk why people act like stem is the end all be all, we can only have so many people in CS and the supply of cs majors seems to be growing exponentially every year

[@Macheako]

I bet if you had a business you would blindly deny applicants without a degree….whether or not it’s “necessary” ❤️

[@masonjordan1782]

@@Macheako If I had a business that I relied on for my livelihood, to feed my family, I would probably hire and entrust the success of my business to the person who I know has at least accomplished 4 years of various tasks, of varying difficulty, in pursuit of a degree, than to a person who has just been chillin' since HS working random jobs.

[@Kuroganemk2]

Not everyone is meant for college, some will be happier as a plumber but for some reason, no one really thinks about that, its just maxamise money.

[@TheFBerger]

Great cast! I love how level headed you are with interviews regardless of your own views. I really appreciate that you can bring forward interesting questions for the guests to engage with in a manner that isnt totally judgmental or accusatory. Jack really shined here and im glad he is involved in this cast as a great support for graham

[@DGregster]

I like how ICH is having more variety of topics on the show - like politics. You guys stay apolitical and ask more broader questions and have different guests with different perspectives. Really cool to watch.

[@nicopaolo]

I kind of hate this narrative that Americans should be avoiding higher education. We are continuing to discourage higher forms of education and over the years we are creating a less educated populous. At the end of the day, the issue is not people going to school and learning about topics that don't have much real world market value like philosophy or liberal arts. The issue is the unbelievable debt burden that results from ANY kind of higher education. We should want people in our country to expand their minds, even if that's in the arts or any other pursuit that doesn't have "high market value" We're setting ourselves up to be one of the most economically powerful countries with the dumbest population. How are we accepting this for ourselves?

[@matthewsantomarco2714]

Destiny went off the rails with that Tier list good lord

[@SiwarRios]

Bro even said he was memeing lmao

[@capcaptainmycaptain4771]

TBH I was surprised Tim Pool wasn't on the list. He's way more influential than half of the other names.

[@TubularToob]

I was dying at that part

[@khellum1268]

Putting Trudeau at B tier is crazy. No sane person would do this.

[@lvl70shampally]

Fun fact, when my co-worker left our company a few years back to pick up a trade as an electrician, part of his apprenticeship required him to take higher level mathematics that you would usually find in a 4 year degree

[@henryburton6529]

No chance. I've done a mathematics degree. It is 9 levels higher than anything an electrician will ever have to learn. My niece is 15 and she does 99% of what an electrician might need to learn.

[@Boosted_aj]

Maybe to become a master electrician but basic electrical certs don’t require much math past HS level

[@josielynn6369]

No shot. I'm an engineer and didn't even touch higher level math. Even my degree only really went up to differential equations and linear algebra

[@henryburton6529]

@@josielynn6369 "differential equations and linear algebra" I did these at high school - the idea that degree level math is relevant for an electrician is ridiculous

[@lvl70shampally]

Seems a few people in their rush to shit on the level of education a trade skill might actually require missed the "4 year degree part" which can encompass anything from algebra to calc.

[@davidlegare5021]

I keep hearing go to coding boot camp instead of getting a degree a lot but I'm a software engineering team lead and we don't hire boot campers. We have in the past and came to regret it. Boot campers will learn a lot in a very short period of time but everything is very surface level and they just haven't learned/done enough to have a good grasp on the fundamentals.

[@nytrikmusic]

As a new CS graduate I can say that it is way way easier to go to college than it is to try and get a career in CS with no degree

[@LittleR-uq5rd]

Yes. And anyone who says otherwise is trying to sell a course

[@nickmyers3065]

WHats with the ads cutting off scenteces lol... my guy I bet its actually better to keep retention, but it pisses me off.

[@nickmyers3065]

@@Gadangadang edit better

[@thejerg]

Oh man! Jack hitting Tiny with the "History of Jazz"... Hahaha

[@NewbPhil]

On the college argument, I think my experience lines up perfectly with some of what you were arguing about; after HS, I had no clue what I wanted to do, just that I wanted to go to Germany for University (I'm a dual citizen, plus the price of college is nonexistent in Germland, but they have high standards for entry so I did all AP in high school). I got a degree in e-commerce (saw it in a pamphlet, it seemed interesting/future-oriented), and more or less fumbled my way through, taking 1.5 years longer than normal. Then, I immediately started a pretty meh "career" in online marketing. Thank fucking god I went to uni. If I had not fumbled through university and had that "rail track" to guide me into a career (that I am ambivalent on, it's not fun but I don't hate it), I GUARANTEE that I would have been what Destiny was arguing, a fuckup at some dead-end retail/service job who is STILL aimless and doesn't know what he wants to do, but now in his mid 20s without any professional experience/skills. On the other end, I have a buddy who thought he wanted to be a cop/FBI agent; studied criminology, BUT he dropped out like 2/3 the way through, and ever since has been working dead-end restaurant jobs. If he had just stuck it out and finished, he at least could have been a pencil pusher and gradually worked his way up, but those types of jobs where you can _actually_ work your way up in a hierarchy are almost exclusively jobs that require degrees. I totally agree with Destiny, provided that you _actually get the degree._ No degree + the debt is such a self-own, but everyone has to know for themselves if they can push through getting a degree that they might not care a lot about.

[@crossmarian773]

The idea that if you don't know what to do in life, you should just get a job instead of college is crazy. If you have no interest in a specific field, you're just gonna end up working retail. Where are you going to go from there to figure out your true passion? Before you know it, 4 years have passed and you're still just working your 9-5 retail no better off. College at least offers flexibility. You can explore different courses in different majors. You can take psychology classes, math classes, history classes, chemistry classes, etc. That gives you a way better opportunity to actually figure out what you want to do.

[@venkatrohan6444]

Y'all did my girl Destiny dirty with that thumbnail

[@therealzuluking]

😂 I'm sorry but this is Jack's podcast now not Graham's. He lost that a while ago. Jack is good at asking questions and keeping the energy up on a topic to drive it deeper

[@coreyalverson]

100%

[@CalvinGroover]

Graham has said this in the past. He wants this to be jacks. Gram is just there to bring an audience in.

[@arcataslacker]

Absolutely phenomenal episode. I did not expect to line destiny as much as I do. Always figured he was just an annoying talking head but definitely going to give his podcast to try after this.

[@joshuakohn4408]

Lol i wonder what kind of people agree to that. i think it's the remedial section

[@christiancarlos330]

#TeamJack

[@munster1404]

Regarding the college segment, I worked in the trades as a boilerman. My conclusion : don't do it i.e. trades if you have some modicum of academic ability. As a boilerman and also field operations technician in the oil & gas industry over a period of 20 years, I suffered third degree burns (fortunately not the debilitating kind), chronic joint pains and other injuries by the time I reached 40. Remuneration wise, I earned less than a fresh grad engineer and also less than my ex-trainee who took my training, worked a year, went off to university, graduated and returned as MY manager. It's statistics that a college/university educated person will earn more over a lifetime than a tradie. I stayed in the trades because I sucked in school, much to my regret. Working in the trades is a niche career, not easily transferable between vocations. For example, it's easier said than done for a boilerman to pivot to let's say a plumber or electrician. (That's why automobile workers and miners suffered when their industries shuttered) . Whereas a fresh college grad even one who has already graduated for sometime is holistically educated (provided he selected the appropriate electives in class). The soft skills and networking from college is vastly more transferable than one from the trades. I wish the wage gap between the hands that work and the mind that thinks/innovate/create can be narrowed. But until that happens, get a degree if you can. Most countries facing shortage in the trades will eventually turn to immigrants to fill that gap. High wages and inflated ego of current tradesmen is simply not sustainable. Third world countries are producing the future workforce in numbers you can't imagine. They are cheap, don't complain, and "Yes" men to everything. The influx of these workers will saturate the market and people who previously laud about the trades will be facing the same low wages that is plaguing the college grad presently.

[@twt000]

Great comment, agree. Pay should equal value in blue collar and white collar jobs. We need both. Respect both. Love them marine boilers.

[@luzmarquez20]

my personal experience: i was originally going to university and changed my degree twice. originally a psychology major, then an elementary education major. i didn't take out any loans, i was paying my tuition off each month. i ended up dropping out. i was working as an activities assistant at a nursing home during my second year at college. after i dropped out, my job paid for my CNA classes and my state tests. looking back, i'm grateful for the way my situation worked out. no loans, no debt, no excess wasted time. i have a good career that opens more doors. based off my situation and seeing how life has worked out for friends and family, i advocate for skipping college if one doesn't have a set idea to avoid the unnecessary debt. work. save money. travel. think about the life you want. i was fortunate in my situation, hope others find luck in theirs! ◡̈

[@RGS578]

I just recently got an ADHD diagnosis, a lot of the reason was listening to Destiny talk about his experiences. The parallels between his life and mine, is so insanely similar, I couldn't ignore it. There were other huge red flags in my life, my sister got diagnosed a few years ago, & I took Vyvanse in High School at parties and I remember saying "This is like a miracle drug that gives me super-intelligence, what the fuck...?". But it was really just listening to Destiny talk about his experiences, that sealed the deal for me. I have a doctor's appointment tomorrow to talk about medication/treatment. Hopefully all goes okay.

[@liarzdice]

I have always thought I might have it but after his explanation and experiences I'm almost positive I do. As a 40 year old I think it's time I get this checked out. Can you recommend any specific videos of his? This is the first time ever coming across him. Thanks!!

[@Alic4444]

good luck

[@andrewg5416]

I'm sorry to hear that

[@rrrrr.55555]

Good luck! I'm happy you stumbled into someone who would inspire you to improve that part of your life :> Keep us updated!!

[@titanattackbee1985]

ADHD isnt real

[@GrieverRing]

So I wanted to say something about college. I didn't know what I wanted to do so my Mom suggested an office admin diploma since it opens a lot of doors and allows me to try a lot of fields since it's so general. It was an amazing choice and really open my mind. But you don't need to rush into college. For example, I went back into college in my mid 20's and got a IT diploma. Now I'm doing great but I needed that path and time to figure things out. I've also seen 30 and 40 year old's in my program. It's never too late to figure things out.

[@ElDragow]

you are right, but Destiny isn't against what you said. Atleast you were doing something productive. Destiyn is saying it's better to be aimless but atleast getting a degree vs being aimless fresh out of highschool working at mcdonalds lmao. Bc the aimless people aren't gonna be chasing a specifik career, otherwise they woudln't be aimless lmao.

[@copboom555]

Thats true however there are competitive fields such as high finance, FAANG, fintech, music, c-suite, etc. that are looking for bright young minds in a rapidly evolving world which had you went to college and surrounded yourself with those like-minded individuals, you would be able to learn and act on those opportunities. It seems like a massive waste of time to figure out what you want to do in life at 30-40 when you could've pushed yourself to retire early by that age.

[@AustinCameron]

If you’re aimless, go to trade school. Don’t become a debt slave.

[@Kuroganemk2]

I will always say that Destiny has some sort of complex about college cos he was never able to finish. He sounds so dumb trying to defend it lol Like yeah, trade jobs start out at minimum wage? But you have 4 years of work and no studen loan debt. Also a lot of people drop out after the first year or two cos they go to the wrong college, which could be better spent on gaining just work experiance even at mcdonald and some extra cash.

[@robbiesarris9072]

@@ElDragow Wouldnt it be better to figure out that you want to study IT before you get a degree in something you dont actually want?

[@alexandersohm7501]

I just recently started watching TikTiks about ADHD and started to notice that I have the same issues these people were describing. I can honestly say that this podcast is going to have a huge impact on my future. After this podcast I realize that I definitely need to get tested. When Destiny talked about how he performed in high school, it was as if he was describing me to a T. The fact that I could play video games for hours on end stopped me from ever thinking that ADHD might be something I had. I am 47 years old, so I can only imagine how different my life could have been. I am glad Destiny mentioned the misconception of what the H in ADHD meant. I am a pretty laid back person and my greatest strength is my patience.

[@Kryto_Gaming]

I would rate this episode, AMAZIN! Great talk, it was thoroughly fun to listen to for pretty much every chapter. Usually there would be some points in a long show like this that would lose my interest.

[@rovertrobert3180]

Huge difference between inteligent and having a brain full of "knowledge"

[@RemoteSpeed007]

The utterance of "fire!" in and of itself is not generally illegal within the United States: "sometimes you could yell 'fire' in a crowded theater without facing punishment. The theater may actually be on fire. Or you may reasonably believe that the theater is on fire".[3] Furthermore, within the doctrine of first amendment protected free speech within the United States, yelling "fire!" as speech is not itself the legally problematic event, but rather, "there are scenarios in which intentionally lying about a fire in a crowded theater and causing a stampede might lead to a disorderly conduct citation or similar charge.

[@oopsmehbad556]

This is the standard dictionary robot response not the human one. Everyone understands, or at least should, that he means in normal circumstances. If I yell gun in a bank and a guy actually has a gun that everyone has seen of course its not wrong, but if i yell gun and there is no gun its a different story ya know. Context matters but almost everyone understands that going in to these things.

[@deeky1239]

"Well axchtuallly..."

[@candice9069]

From my personal experience, I’m glad I went to college even though I had no clue what I wanted to do. I figured out what I wanted my career to be in after I volunteered in a college lab. I think college is an environment that helps you discover what you want to do. I’m not sure I would have found that out otherwise. It’s tough though. I understand both perspectives.

[@debrachambers1304]

What lab?

[@JuicyG_]

Going to college parties as a 30 years old is a depressing goal

[@scottsetzke7967]

College parties at 25 are terribly lame. Kids don't know how to party. They all stand around holding their phones listening to drake. FML😅

[@bennymountain1]

And also kinda creepy..

[@dawnkeyy]

​@@bennymountain1I mean there's 23-24yos in college, but I'm guessing the 30yos that go to college parties aren't there for them

[@NinJaTrainee]

For once I haven't had the need to speed up the video, refreshing

[@TMM9116]

Jack is a great interviewer. Very curious, definitely makes for a great conversation

[@emanueleferrero8095]

Came here to say this because no one seems to notice how comfortable he gets his guests to be and actually asks interesting questions!

[@mutegamingstuff9120]

There is a heavily widening gap of the wealth and life expectancy of people with college education compared to people without college education. Like there are people who can become successful without college but statistically they seem proven to be very uncommon.

[@ataraxia7439]

Yeah it’s a vary narrowband of people where “don’t go to college” is going to leave them better off financially. I feel like part of it is a lot of people have charged feelings politically about the value or state of universities right now and that influences how people judge it’s merit as a life decision (even though those should kind of be to separate issues)

[@Mrbigdaddymanamale]

Kids, if you don't know what to do, go to college for Gods sake. You WILL wake up and be 30 one day. You can be 30 with a degree or 30 working as middle manager at Target with no hope of moving up.

[@info_dash313]

Amen.

[@dv4497]

Exactly, especially community college. If you don't know what to do at least get your basics out of the way while you're young and have little responsibilities.

[@rom8949]

The main reason I watch financial podcasts is to make sure I am on the rails.

[@bringerod5141]

1:56:00 A personal story on this. My partner studied for 3 years to become an audiologist (medical care for hearing) and she has realised after working 2-3 years that it is not for her. She will study something else for 2 years and branch off in medical care. She would not have realised this if she did not study and worked for those 5 years. Also, if the new thing she wants to study does not turn out well she can easily go back to her full time job. She did not waste her time, it has all contributed to her growth as a person.

[@Dog3D]

I was 3 years into Computer science before I realized it wasn’t for me but I finished it out just to have a degree. Luckily, I found 3D digital arts in college through a college gaming club and now that’s my career. I love it to death and i don’t think I would’ve found it without having gone to college

[@bringerod5141]

@@Dog3D Cool! I did a masters in computer science :D I was one of those lucky ones who was pretty sure what I wanted to start my career as. Happy to hear you found your passion!

[@Dog3D]

@@bringerod5141I’m glad you found your thing too man. I realize that my brain isn’t made for it and doesn’t receive the same rewards when coding vs when I do 3D stuff. I think College is great for that, even though you have limited attempts. Finding what you don’t like and also what you do like are both super important in different ways. I had the mindset that i won’t love computer science and i will just do it for money. Then i actually did do it as a summer job from my college and realized that I don’t think I can do this for 10+ years lol Congrats on finding something you like to do and I assume being paid well, we are in the small minority that get both!

[@colegreene2153]

This podcast reminded me to check out the destiny vs Ben debate. Fantastic watch. Excited to now watch this one

[@spacetoast7783]

It was very shallow, so I hope they get to talk again and go in depth on their disagreements.

[@MrLeothekingofkings]

To me personally as a person who is in school to become a videographer I see both sides of the argument. One one hand the vast majority of my classes are bullshit art classes that have nothing to do with my degree. Most of college for me is a massive waste of time and money. On the flip side there is literally nothing I could do besides learning videography from KZbin and doing years of shitty cheap videography gigs as I create a portfolio and hope a production company gives me a chance. The part that I feel like gets left out of the college perspective is the huge opportunities career fairs and internships offer college students. I have friends like Me that have learned barely anything in college but now work at Nike as an intern because there college opened the door for them. Instead of getting everyone to do trades which is not reasonable there should be some political policy that forces college courses to be more focused towards students career goals. Getting well rounded as a person is okay for community associates degrees not a bachelors

[@paulfaulkner2855]

I worked my way through college, while supporting a family and have been the VP of 2 different companies that have nothing to do with my degree. But, my degree taught me discipline, forced me to do things I didn't want to do, which is 80% of life. I'm the only executive at my company that has a Masters degree or even a Bachelors and it turned out to be super useful in my profession, plus it gives you a sense of accomplishment. If Graham or some kid came to me and wanted to me my assistant I would put them in the lowest paying job we have, and tell them to work their way up to being an A player and then I would consider sharing my knowledge and experience. everyone wants the shortcut.

[@uku5840]

Yep, and for anything that isn't starting your own business, a degree is a shorthand for your competence to any employer! Most jobs will never even give you an opportunity to bridge the gap in pay a degree will confer.

[@Northernheros]

Sounds like a shit company then tbh. If you think hiring a Graham Stefan at the lowest pay rate is reasonable instead of paying for the experience he'd be bringing to the table, you're a shit boss

[@ARKHAM367]

You’re very generous if you’re willing to take someone with no clear ambition or established work history into your company. Even if it’s at the lowest paying job, there’s a lot of risk of that intern for whatever reason just giving lip service and not giving their all.

[@miasma612]

Your charity and empathy is boundless. Your soliloquy is an inspirational anthem that should be sung by all children in an act of unity.

[@Tafatt1]

I get what your saying, but I've met some brilliant people who literally cleaned toilets before they got their career going. I think different type of people need different types of approaches, and some humbling mail-room work your way up strategy might be a generally good, but also lazy.

[@tylergran1]

1:59:30 I totally agree with Destiny I watch you guys and other entrepreneur's content because it's interesting but I NEVER want to own my own business. To me it sounds like a huge headache especially in the beginning so much stress and the toxic "hustle" culture that you have to work 24/7 sounds awful. I just want to work my corporate 9 to 5 with a mediocre salary and switch off at the end of the day and do whatever I want because I'm lazy. Plus I'm already financially doing well the only debt I have is my house which will be paid off in a year and I'm not even 30 yet.

[@forrestcrain3401]

It's not the beginning that is hard. It's maintaining it, and depending on what industry and state you are in with whatever regulations and alphabet agencies climbing up your ass constantly, not to mention dealing the with public perception of "Oh he's a business owner he's got money." Not to mention the constant risks involved with no safety net for you or your family... yeah its stressful.

[@Hugo97HD]

Yeah, many people want to open a business not for the pleasure of running one but because in the current system it is the only way to make a bit more money (if it goes well). I feel that if I was making less than 30-40k a year I would be also looking to leave my job cause that's just not enough to maintain a family.

[@hockeyhalod]

I was aimless in college, I got a Compute Engineering degree. Found out I'm a good manager. Success. It works. However, I didn't sink into death like debt for it.

[@Laihoistheman]

It's kind of horrifying knowing some people think the more popular a thing or person is the more like, valid they are? Or correct? Like it's intrinsic with in us to know that the amount of people that believe a thing holds no bearing on it's truth value, it's so weird to me seeing people forsake that knowledge or lose it along the way.

[@DubLightning]

are you referring to something specific here? like the conservative favorability of trump they mentioned? or what

[@Laihoistheman]

@@DubLightning yeah the beginning when he said there must be something about him if hisfl favorability remains high.

[@mielipuolisiili7240]

Yeah, to an extent you have to take the popularity of opposing ideas to an account in politics, but like nazis were pretty popular in their time too but we should probably still be able to say that their positions were indefensible.

[@GregMartin81]

That part wasn't the best take. However, I do think there is some value in re-examining your ideas and seeing if you might be missing something - and maybe you aren't. Maybe just a huge % is wrong. But you might need to examine a little closer if you automatically and easily write off a huge % of people's opinions.

[@Laihoistheman]

@@GregMartin81 We live in a world where there are billions of religious people, it's really not wild to be aware that there can be a larger percentage of people that are wrong. The only thing that matters is evidence for the claims, the claims themselves hold no weight.

[@colt7476]

Jack did a excellent job asking follow up questions.

[@normalouis8593]

It was really nice to hear Destiny's take on university. I wish he mentioned the data about women increasingly having college degrees and higher income while both points are decreasing for men. I graduated from an art school (product design, so one of the more practical degrees) it was essential to getting the jobs that I have now and gave me necessary the guidance and connections, of course I needed to have good effort, skill, and some talent, you get what you put into this. Even for more gray area degrees I'd say they're just as good because once you get an internship (which the university often connects you with) you can create a career from there, regardless if your degree doesn't match your career. There is still an expectation you went to university and this will open so many doors. I don't mean to generalize but the people saying college is not worth it are the few entrepreneurs who make it, they're saying this to a majority of (usually) men who can often be lazy when nobody is around to tell them what to do. They don't want to be told what to do but then they struggle without anyone telling them what to. It's so odd that many are starting to call the educational system feminine, there is propaganda here and there but other than that, if you have good worth ethic and follow this path you'll be okay.

[@Macheako]

Your sexism is showing 🤣🤣

[@normalouis8593]

@@MacheakoOops 😶 Could you elaborate on which points were sexist? Genuinely trying to make sense of this trend and this is what I've concluded so far. Another thing I'd consider is the IQ distribution between men and women, among both genders most are average IQ, but men have more on the higher end as well as the lower end. The average person is told to go to college, the average person does somewhat okay in school, at least enough to pass, if women are a large part of this average it'd make sense more are pursuing high education. Of course men are in higher education, especially STEM, but I find it unfortunate that especially men are being made to think that college degrees aren't worth it in many cases and in result are either working dead end jobs or getting into get-rich-quick schemes (of course there are exceptions such as successful entrepreneurs and other average income earners). I've noticed a trend of many men who want to "be their own boss" and although this isn't inherently wrong, most will fail and many do not have the work ethic or intelligence to make it (I'm not speaking about academic intelligence, but rather intelligence itself). Even if they are intelligent, the probability is so low to make it in many saturated markets. But if you become the average person who goes to college, you'll have an opportunity to better you work ethic, learn things that will be useful to you, and make connections useful to an industry, even if it's some boring somewhat well paying job. Trades are great and I personally went to a trade school before college and know of many who have succeeded in their trade, but generally speaking there is so much physical work they'll need to do which can have negative effects, it can also be dangerous, and it's not that likely they'll be filthy rich. Men do tend to take more risk, so I understand a desire to be amazing and be the top percent, but it seems like many are disregarding what is necessary to be that successful and instead of doing something like going to college they rather be delusional and pretend they are better than those who went to college because they are doing their own thing and not being told what to do. There are women who don't go to college and end up in the same path, or worse, digital prostitution as it is more common today (although not a large percentage like some are portraying), but again this is a trend that particular involves men that I'm speaking about, which is why I had many negative points to make about that gender specifically.

[@Macheako]

@@normalouis8593 please don’t write me an essay, sweetie… I will not read it ❤️✌️

[@Macheako]

@@normalouis8593 we both know you got a word counter on that computer 😂 Slim it N Trim it ❤️

[@normalouis8593]

@@Macheako 🙂 My apologies, I didn't know a 2 minute read could be overwhelming. (In all seriousness though, I don't usually come to KZbin to read long comments either, so I do understand, but it was hard to keep it short while trying to elaborate. Although I'd like to know what exactly is sexist about it, so I can understand other's points of views, at the end of the day to each their own, respectfully✌️)

[@youtubename8796]

Got a bachelor's in history and ended up working in IT. I drastically out paced my coworkers in promotions and pay because my history degree taught me how to research and distill information. I get money because I learned how to talk to people for 5 years. I also worked help desk at my uni which helped me get my foot in the door. College really helped focus me as an aimless kid and introduced me to so many different possibilities. I agree the US college system has issues like bloated administration and corruption, but it is incredibly worthwhile. Yes. Even the liberal arts (REP REP REP)

[@charlesmiv3842]

I would say the liberal arts and humanities are the best parts of university. They pose critical thinking challenges and exposure of people of all different walks of life that most of these student's wouldn't have otherwise been exposed to.

[@youtubename8796]

@@charlesmiv3842 100% buddy, but I'm trying to hide at least 5% of my bias

[@DGregster]

I disagree with a lot of what Destiny believes/says, but I respect that he's logical, unphased by debates emotionally, and doesn't interrupt or dismiss any counterpoints.