Debate Follow-Up - Rem is Wrong... Plus He's White

[@QosmicVoid]

Vaush colonized Destinys KZbin Channel in this debate

[@m1lkbags]

this is easily the funniest comment on this video why do you only have 200 likes

[@QosmicVoid]

@Tywin Lannister No idea why you felt the need to be like that, but stay mad I guess

[@QosmicVoid]

@Tywin LannisterDude I just thought it would be funny to make a Debate joke about colonization since the footage used here was Vaush's. You clearly just want to start shit and its kind of pathetic.

[@QosmicVoid]

@@Osiris2134 Soviets bad

[@gamikhan9087]

Destiny, Vaush and Rem were white in this debate.

[@ksilva2848]

Fucking true

[@beerguybrian]

And it was so

[@manuelantuna26]

Yeah.. but only one of those three is a "Gusano"

[@beerguybrian]

@Manuel Antuña check out the big brain on Brad!

[@ksilva2848]

@@manuelantuna26 just like only one of them is "Polish". Bruh what?

[@halhabib2335]

Destiny took Vaush's video in this debate

[@Josh-et4ki]

Hal Habib *Vaush’s Vidya

[@ataridc]

I mean if you want Destiny to do content with Vaush he literally has to since Vaush is banned on Twitch

[@reloadeddice8654]

This video was Vaush's culture too. Clearly Destiny just wants to destroy Vaush's culture.

[@Dawid-wc8sb]

@@ataridc whys he banned?

[@ZacharyEntenman]

@@Dawid-wc8sb He got mad at watching some Zionist propaganda and said some inflammatory stuff.

[@Tocinos]

Destiny looks like Irishladdie in this debate... plus he is white

[@Harrison1875]

destiny is actually half mexican. nice try though, whitey.

[@Tocinos]

@@Harrison1875 cuba = mexico Pepega

[@Tocinos]

@@Harrison1875 no pfp no opinion

[@askliam4266]

@@Vearotic he's half red but, but okay bro

[@ksilva2848]

@@askliam4266 he is half yellow but ok bro

[@bravovince3070]

Vaush was just vibing in this debate

[@MrPopoopopopopo]

plus hes white

[@maggiepaul5911]

@@MrPopoopopopopo 😂😂😂🧐

[@bokajon]

"Hey, it's me. I haven't even watched the whole video but I'm still summarizing it because I want to get recognition from random KZbin-watchers. Fuck my life."

[@larrytipson4585]

@@bokajon You do know these videos come from live streams, right? He could have seen it live.

[@bravovince3070]

@@bokajon bro what are you genuinely ok

[@aploticmonk7289]

Vaush was a good moderator, I can’t believe rem was complaining about how Vaush didn’t moderate when vaush was technically on his side too.

[@Eden-LikeTheGarden-Rama]

I'd call him more of a mediator than a moderator. He was mostly just trying to steelman Rem cos Rem isn't a debater and is usually pretty shit at getting a point across

[@faust3530]

@@Eden-LikeTheGarden-Rama yeah lmao, was hilarious how much easier vaush could clearly make arguments in rems favour

[@spicylemon6255]

Faust And Rem still complained that Vaush was somehow against him.

[@xMorbidArtx]

He was Hoping for the dog-pile. Typical.

[@an6el793]

vaush wasn't a moderator, he was literally holding rems hand the whole time

[@cleverpotato348]

Destiny’s editor lost to Vaush’s editor in this debate

[@plastered26]

*in this debate

[@stanleyyelnats4325]

This comment won the debate

[@ler6118]

@@sanguinesr0se Doesn't Highyena also do editing?

[@TheRiquelmeONE]

and hes probably white

[@brandonden795]

Destiny and Vaush have a strange relationship

[@captaindistracted1808]

Their relationship reminds me of my divorced parents relationship

[@dierdoge591]

Its cute

[@PurpleOkayTurtle]

Ivan Ivanovich Rasputin no he wouldn’t. Because that would be gay. And my pastor says that’s bad

[@MadJackChurchill1312]

Tossa4u Your pastor isn’t cool. Plus, he’s white.

[@ler6118]

@@ivanivanovichrasputin3098 I've actually donated to Vaush just to have him answer on whether or not he'd fuck Destiny. He said he wouldn't, but I think he called him cute.

[@angry340]

Destiny was Cuban in this debate

[@angry340]

@Communist Alpha Male Banging Capitalist Beta males you're irksome

[@PacifistBetaFish]

Esteban "el gusanito" Benoblito

[@xMorbidArtx]

Sorry, doesnt work. The likes are all the angry white boys desperate for a comeback LOL.

[@quohime1824]

Destiny provided advertisement for Vaush's stream in this debate

[@TheBadAssNcrRanger]

Extremely based advertisement

[@joseaugustogoulart]

@@TheBadAssNcrRanger Destiny doing more praxis than BoB

[@63Limar]

Advertisement? He played like shit, shame

[@unknown-vo3di]

@@63Limar bruh I never played terraria but if u right then what a noob lel.

[@vallewabbel9690]

@@63Limar he makes lit political commentary tho

[@faust3530]

I legitimately love seeing destiny and vaush getting along. They're incredible conversation partners and really have fantastic back and forths over whatever they're discussing.

[@brookdecost940]

I agree, but it appears that destiny goes overboard in attempt to show the distinction between his and their position when in reality the distinction is far more subtle.

[@tiagomd3811]

Vaush is destiny's son. Their destiny is to be together in a incest gay relationship.

[@johnny3868]

nice pfp x2

[@Jotakumon]

plus, they're both white

[@Siberius-]

@@wiptide - I'm stating the obvious here, but that is subjective. 👌👌

[@brotherbrod]

we love moderator Vaush

[@BK557SC]

Ahh yes a video without league gameplay

[@fakeparson8193]

the real hero right here

[@gusudeani6071]

Love to see it

[@thelax5311]

Something tells me this discussion would’ve gone over a lot better if it was just Destiny and Vaush.

[@Jacob-ch8qj]

Vaush shoved his pipeline into destiny's native land in this debate

[@develote7670]

"laying pipe" was the phrase Vaush used in the debate

[@joeludemann]

@@develote7670 destiny beat that in rems last debate when he said "if we wanted to we could shit down the throat of every native"

[@blocherxk6618]

I love that after the debate, rem keeps saying that vaush was against him or that he fail at defending his points.

[@ghosty0612]

Vaush was intrusivly and criticly questioning destiny all the time wtf?

[@xMorbidArtx]

Clearly he was butt hurt.

[@maxmustermann9058]

Rem did video on how vaush is a bad faith actor that needs to be taken down, honestly vaush had no reason to be nearly as amicable as he was.

[@andrewcrisp1037]

Imagine respecting property rights while calling indigenous people squatters on their own land.

[@allinwatts4670]

Can we start a petition to get Vaush unbanned from twitch? I want to see him moderate more of Destiny’s debates

[@younggotti8195]

No...he literally sucks off destiny, that's not what a moderator should do

[@allinwatts4670]

“Steelmanning both sides = sucking off”

[@Jay-zt1pq]

@@allinwatts4670 Generating fruitful discussion? Idk sounds pretty GAY dude /s

[@samuelmorkbednarzkepler]

@@younggotti8195 Nice fan fiction. In reality though, he spent most of the time defending Rem and challenging Destiny.

[@razzle_dazzle]

Having him be able to go on Rajj and other debate panels would be awesome.

[@highprogressive]

Vaush: "wait you're Canadian?" Rem: "yeah I'm Canadian" Vaush: "Fuck... That sucks" OMEGALUL

[@confrontingcapital5080]

Destiny uploaded a Vaush debate in this debate

[@NexusCapital]

"reservations are extremely welcoming to all people" Rem has never visited a reservation.

[@GKJusticar55]

I think it's the perfect moment to insert the Curb your Enthusiasm theme.

[@apriljk6557]

Neither have you

[@fazma1076]

Destiny posted Vaush’s content in this debate

[@towel-cat]

@@JonBall44 Well, it was hosted exclusively on Vaush's channel, so it's his. But I highly doubt Vaush would care anyway. Idk why he would

[@NNOTM]

@@towel-cat If you look at the description you'll find out that Vaush explicitly allowed Destiny('s editors) to use his content, so yeah

[@xXWorldgamefunXx]

@@towel-cat Vaush gave the permission he said it in his last stream

[@---lv4oz]

"Plus you're white" 54:45 55:00 57:07 57:47 58:58 1:11:42

[@mayman4255]

I can feel your whiteness from my screen

[@barkwhoop8052]

“I’m not trigger- “NOOOOONONO IVE BEEN WATCHING YOU LONG ENOUGH okay buddy” Let’s all come together as a family and watch our dads fight bois

[@MagicBrianTricks]

Destiny looks like Vaush in this debate.

[@AntiPersonnelRescueAxe]

Why does Rem sound like Vaush's impression of Sargon...

[@vinsonharwell7541]

@@averywealthyman4194 his scottish accent is spot on tho lol

[@poyokirby]

imagine thinking you're woke but also being white OMEGALUL

[@googleaccount9913]

True, Rem is so stupid

[@maggiepaul5911]

I was hella confused for a second. Edit: Plus he's white.

[@kingz7151]

I love how Vaush just walks around on Terraria polishing the terrain on his world rather than just trying to speed run the bosses asap like I do lol, I can imagine that probably gives him a lot more from the game.

[@a2genuch161]

Haha you're probably the only one commenting on the gameplay

[@mayman4255]

I love making the terrain a straight line throughout the entire world, it feels good not to have to use a spacebar.

[@onlyeveryone2253]

@@mayman4255 why not just build a sky road?

[@revolioclockbergjr.6780]

Mayman this hurt my soul

[@NexusCapital]

These left vs further left debates are much better than left vs right

[@MrKosobi]

So wrong.

[@defb4dishonor211]

So right

[@bob-jones]

Brave and wrong, plus you’re white

[@fuckayou3209]

Content wise, usually left vs right. Intellectually, left vs further left usually.

[@sycophant8470]

@@fuckayou3209 dankula vs vaush was NOT content, right vs left can be content and it can also be cancer, while left vs left can be both content and informational

[@studi0651]

Man, this makes me want Twitch to unban Vaush and get on streams like the Rajj Royale or the Scuffed Podcast and interact with other Twitch streamers. I feel like he can bring insightful commentary to a larger audience.

[@tehking111]

Why did he get banned?

[@marcosa2000]

@@tehking111 He had an extremist anti-zionist take that twitch seemed to dislike. It was hyperbole but alas

[@epicgamer-ur1wg]

Confident Lime said that israel should be bombed I assume it was reported and twitch interpreted as anti semitism

[@tehking111]

@@marcosa2000 wait and that got him insta banned with no warnings? Or did he have warnings before that?

[@marcosa2000]

@@tehking111 It was pretty extreme. He said Israel should be bombed. To the best of my knowledge there was no other warning, but I may be wrong

[@Arimil1234512345]

2:33 Lmao. That face says it all.

[@Harrison1875]

Should've been in the thumbnail.

[@Jack-fs1jy]

Rem was forgotten in this debate.

[@影山平ら]

Who's Rem?

[@marcosa2000]

@@影山平ら Exactly

[@parsifal2299]

10:33 Vaush: *makes a point* Rem: right? DestinY: Shut the fuck up rem Rem: sorry :/ Why'd I found this so fuckin funny

[@Matizor]

Destiny appropriated Vaush's VOD in this debate, plus he's white

[@Septiviumexe]

Rem tried to debate destiny while destiny was debating vaush in this debate

[@catzagoon3516]

He actually just posted Vaush's video lmaooo

[@Siberius-]

His editor did* With Vaush's permission. Destiny seems to just have his editors do pretty much what ever.

[@axlglenn2156]

So Rem thought Vaush moderated poorly? Vaush clearly stepped in when he thought Rem and Destiny were talking past eachother...

[@BDKoala]

More like Vaush stepped in when Rem was about to be steamrolled. It was merciful.

[@cureabees9440]

@@password460 I think he was doing it unintentionally most of the time. Also, the fact that Vaush was mostly arguing against Destiny is enough to make Rem's claims unwarranted.

[@Blessica]

I'm glad my Dads are talking again

[@kaildraconis]

I never expected a video where Destiny is actually talking to Vaush in good faith. We found REMs best use.

[@xMorbidArtx]

Sort of what happens when you're moderating and not taking a dipshit stance.

[@Mr.ClimateChange]

Destiny and Vaush's irl discussion was pretty good faith from what I remember too.

[@kaildraconis]

@@Mr.ClimateChange how long ago was that? The last 2 or 3 i remember were batshit crazy

[@kk8490]

Vaush saved Rem in this debate

[@DapzLive]

9:15 Destiny got so worked up he said 'Irreagrdless'

[@fuckayou3209]

This is literally the vaush vs destiny arch but with rem.

[@werewolf4358]

And a lot friendlier between Vaush and Destiny.

[@imafr11]

Rem was ignored in this debate

[@kamiljaroszewski6356]

Vaush was a translator in this debate

[@iheartcomps]

Rem is the human version of a Starbucks soy latte

[@skeltor1446]

I always can't tell whether people are trolling or not in Destiny's comment section. Especially the one in this debate.

[@ChaseFace]

“He’s going to attack me!” *Immediately act defensive and hostile the moment Destiny opens his mouth*

[@GigaChadh976]

Damn chase, can’t go ONE SECOND without talking about the anime.

[@roryonstrike]

Vaush didn't survive the blood moon in this debate

[@freedom_mayor]

when you wake up feeling kind of weird, check your youtube, and now you're a vaush fan.

[@tehking111]

Rem has this unique ability to make me not care about every topic he brings up.

[@potatoid-0158]

Vaush: "Can I moderate?" *gets involved in the debate*

[@BlakeZeb]

potatoid - 01 yeah, it was more like mediating.

[@scarletcrusade77]

@@BlakeZeb Nah it was more like carrying Rem

[@thomasjames5630]

Destiny got cuter in this debate

[@samsayssamstuff6705]

Rem watched Vaush and Destiny make out at a high school party in this debate

[@Kyle_Schaff]

Does Rem think that these Natives found some land and just sat on it for a millennia and that’s the largest extent of their culture? Does food, art, clothing, navigation, music, mythologies/legends, ceremonies, diplomatic traditions, and their traditional laws not count? Or were those just minuscule contributions? Also, I reject this idea that we should respect land ownership based on who has traditional claims. If the Jews and Muslims in Israel and Palestine want to fight over that shit, that’s their business. But that’s a toxic shitshow I don’t feel comfortable emulating.

[@Kyle_Schaff]

@@homelessengineer5498 I hope you have a good idea of different Native tribes' values and cultures because I will grill the fuck out of you if you don't. Rem doesn't talk about it because he's clueless, but one of the most important cultural aspects of the Iroquois's tribes is their unification myth. From that myth, we learn that things like their composing tribes' different headbands, beaded jewelry as symbolic gifts used for diplomacy, and their traditions passed down from the Great Law of Peace play integral parts in their culture. And that's just a small part of the importance of their unification myth. Sure, the land has meaning as it does to any group of people, but pretending that a people's culture is at all contingent on the exact land they hold like Rem believes is ridiculous. I wrote like three paragraphs arguing against your Chinese conquest bit before realizing I was writing something you probably wouldn't read and, more importantly, it was getting off-track from what is relevant. If you really want to have that argument, I'll rewrite it. And your last paragraph is where I can tell that you don't really care about the conversation. Destiny literally said the opposite in the last debate. He said he wants to get rid of the reservation system and bring Natives fully into the fold of United States citizens and take care of them as we do for every other citizen. I don't know if you're aware, but the reservation system is fucking awful. Native's usage of illicit drugs is at the highest rate of any other race in the country, the rate of binge-drinking is 23.5%, tobacco smoking is at 40.1%, all the associated health risks from smoking, drinking, and hard drugs are at much greater rates (especially on reservations where their healthcare system is horrendous), mental health problems are flatly untreated, suicide rates are incredibly high (acutely in the 10-34 age category), they don't even have proper fucking home addresses, the poverty rate on reservations is more than twice that of the national average (28.4% vs. 12.7%), etc. Destiny said that he wants to bring Natives in to help address these problems that afflict their communities. He believes in our ideal of being a cultural melting pot, said he has love for all people, and doesn't think that the system of reservations is working for anyone here.

[@The_passiveObserver]

Vaush Destiny'd in this white rem

[@EstelleFGC]

interesting how destiny excludes the 30 minute discussion vaush and rem had before destiny joined. I feel that context was needed

[@onodatboi9041]

"I don't know why you're being such an asshole." Because you're you Rem. Destiny was way nicer than he could have been in this debate.

[@afrokid3890]

The weird thing is I actually think Destiny doesn’t notice his debate tactics.

[@nigelwarner8398]

Stick to American politics. Everybody in this debate made it very clear they don't understand the complex relationship between Canada and the First Nations People of Canada. They could have used this time learning along with the audience about the topic instead of acting like they know already. Oh well.

[@ultimateblaze23]

this is dumb comment, you don't need a deep understanding of this to answer the question "is it ok for Canada to build pipelines through native land against their will?"

[@nigelwarner8398]

@@ultimateblaze23 I'm glad you took the time to warn everybody that your comment is dumb.

[@DaRkJoKeR77]

How did this "you're so white" meme start?

[@The_passiveObserver]

Don't care didn't ask , plus your white

[@XelnasTV]

Basically Biden said "all my supporters are black so destiny is memeing that Biden haters are white"

[@IborAio]

It evolved from the "don't care, didn't ask" meme. Probably in response to a "don't care, didn't ask plus you're black" meme from 4chan

[@eliasward4303]

I feel like Destiny's positivist realism is too reductionist and truncated conceptually. He should learn more about poststructuralist thought; integrating the deconstruction of conceptual frameworks and implicit presuppositions in concepts and ideology into his social and philosophical perspectives would broaden his horizons in productive ways I think.

[@CrookerG]

Ahh yes 5Head

[@MrTranzformer1]

Man it sucks being Canadian my company I work for only paid us our full wage full time hours for 3 months and beyond and our government only gives us 2k w month for the rest of the crisis man wish I was American getting that 1200 LOl man it must be terrible to be over there rn lmfao

[@ThunderTurkey100]

Best part about this pipeline... is that its being built beside an already existing one... Its just 1 tribe who band councils agree on the pipeline yo be built are being blocked by a minority based

[@ZombieLincoln666]

KhorneYEG It’s almost always like this. Like 1.5 actual indigenous people protesting alongside 1000 unbathed white socialists

[@ThunderTurkey100]

Also Rem also likes to ignore the fact these people illegally blocksided CN railways. Causring Economic damage for Eastern Canada. To the point Atlantic Canada Grocery stores were having shortages on everything. Having to truck things across.

[@IborAio]

Mom and dad didn't fight in this debate :)

[@BDKoala]

Destiny seized Vaushs property in this debate.

[@Saethiaal666]

Love seeing vaush back

[@shiloh2691]

Ya know hearing Vaush in this made me like him a good bit more, good shit

[@blakewaltersthis7872]

I watched Vaush play Terraria on Destiny's channel in this debate.

[@lucasgoncalvesdefaria7121]

Damn Vaush and Destiny are such a dynamic duo I love it

[@lukasrombach1781]

Well . . . The good old time

[@WihoGamer]

Rem was white in this debate

[@thecjbrowne]

In this debate destiny talks about laying pipe

[@laskeo]

Destiny genocided indigenous cultures in this debate

[@alexanderxul]

7:00 Vaush: "Wait, are you Canadian?" Rem: "Yeah, I'm Canadian." Vaush: "Fuck, that sucks. I'm sorry." Rem: "Why does that suck?" Vaush: Nothing, UHHH"

[@tmchannel8483]

I like vaush more after this but I hate his chat, holy shit

[@thedukeofdukers]

The Canadian government already tried what Destiny is proposing in the form of a 1969 White Paper titled "Statement of the Government of Canada on Indian Policy" and it was rejected by Indigenous communities. Minister of Indian Affairs (and future PM), Jean Cretein's idea was to abolish the status of "Indian" and make them politically equal to any other Canadian under the Just Society doctrine of the Trudeau government. Indians rejected this because it ignored the historical grievances over land rights, represented another step of cultural genocide through coerced assimilation into "White society", and shirked the responsibility to uphold the Crown's treaty obligations by downloading them onto the provinces. As well, the utilitarian argument for land use is exactly the kind of thinking that created the Oka Crisis in the 1980s. A golf course in Oka, Quebec thought that they could increase utility by expanding the course into Mohawk territory as they weren't 'using it' so to speak. This sparked tense protests and armed standoffs between Mohawks and soldiers. The project of reconciliation requires a change in direction away from this kind of thinking, even if it means that economic development is limited. Otherwise we are contributing to a historical injustice that not even God could forgive.

[@thedukeofdukers]

@@killerskiely100 I don't think he's a prick, but I do think he ignores history and puts immediate material interests of the most economically developed regions before any consideration of the conditions of a peoples' existence along the periphery. Somewhat disturbingly, similar arguments were presented to German society to justify the annexation of Eastern Europe under the Lebensraum expansionary doctrine. To invoke Godwin's Law: "There is only one task: Germanization through the introduction of Germans [to the area] and to treat the original inhabitants like Indians. … I intend to stay this course with ice-cold determination. I feel myself to be the executor of the will of History. What people think of me at present is all of no consequence. Never have I heard a German who has bread to eat express concern that the ground where the grain was grown had to be conquered by the sword. We eat Canadian wheat and never think of the Indians." (Minutes of Hitler Conference, 17 October 1941 reproduced in Czesław Madajczyk, ed., Generalny Plan Wschodni: Zbiór dokumentów (Warszawa: Glówna Komisja Badania Zbrodni Hitlerowskich w Polsce, 1990). I want to make clear that I am not accusing Destiny of being a national socialist, but the logic he employs would have us agreeing with Hitler in regards to the above passage. Canadian oil and natural gas is exported without a thought given to the decimation of a self-determining nation by its consumers. Its not perfectly analogous, as the Canadian government gives more regard to the well-being of the Wet'suwet'en nation than Hitler ever gave to the peoples he conquered, but the reminiscence should be strikingly obvious, and should give cause for second thought to the principles we invoke to justify mass-scale industrial development.

[@ElDrHouse2010]

Rem: "NOOOO YOU CANT DO THAT THAT MEANS REMOVING THEIR SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE GOVERNMENTAL CULTURE!!" Destiny: "Yes."

[@Felipeonhere]

Destiny used destiny debate tactics in this debate

[@wyvernlord23]

Destiny was arguing might is right here. Super disappointing.

[@fakeparson8193]

one of the few bad destiny takes, feels a bit inconsistent too as Vaush pointed out. I still love him.

[@mypartyisprivate8693]

How so?

[@siggi4426]

Rem kinda embodies the "haha got you" persona from twitter a little bit annoying

[@umor9014]

Rem did not include slavery or discrimination against outsiders in his elaborate "noble savages" fanfic. He also read 10 books and still did not know that 2:10 "Micmac" is considered a discriminatory term by the group of people he supposedly knows the most about lol

[@yusashow]

Vaush just wanted to play Terraria in this debate

[@maxim377]

Rem is again psuedo-intelligent and talking a lot without saying anything.

[@veigar9347]

Pseudo

[@oppie2363]

Rem actually has the right conclusion here, but he makes a terrible representative for it because he's woefully underinformed but still insists on talking about stuff he sort-of-kind-of understands. We could even say he's morally lucky...

[@maxim377]

@@veigar9347 Thanks, didn't hit that P key, didn't even notice.

[@ProphTart]

I was disappointed that this Rem person missed so many important aspects of indigenous culture that are geographically critical. Destiny is too anti-culture to understand that the regionality of indigenous peoples and their connection to the land they live on is quintessential to their beliefs and how they pass their culture on to their children.

[@mario167100]

Actually I am a bit interested. How does land play into Native American culture?

[@ProphTart]

@@mario167100 oral tradition is a huge part of indigenous culture, it's part of why elders are so highly regarded. When you grow up in a certain area you form a "spiritual" connection with the land around you through a deep understanding of the biology, ecosystems and cycles of the area. You are then able to pass your wisdom on to your children and their children. This is of course very generalized as individual groups believe variations of this but a consistent theme across them is the importance of the earth and the land around them.

[@ProphTart]

@usucdik apples to oranges. Imagine a group of thousands of christians being sent to an islamic region and forced to give up practicing christianity so that a pipeline could be built in one specific spot. It's economic vs. existential. There's also a huge debate in Canada around the necessity of the pipeline in general adding complexity to the situation. Many think the pipeline is entirely unnecessary so imagine the above scenario happening when it didn't even really benefit the whole.

[@oppie2363]

@@ProphTart Just wanna say two things: 1) I agree with pretty much everything you wrote above - Rem's conclusions are generally right here, but he's a pretty poor advocate for this particular cause. It doesn't help the situation that not only is he not that well-informed here, he *pretends* like he is and thus walks into very dumb claims (e.g. "most indigenous people lived in the far North" or whatever). 2) The fact that this particular issue is about a pipeline which many Canadians are opposed to needed a lot more attention than it got here. On the one hand, destiny's claims about "what's good for the huuuuuge number of Canadians" kinda goes out the window if, say, 49% of Canadians are opposed to it. On the other, there are a whole lot of white Canadian environmentalists who suddenly seem very interested in "indigenous rights" because this is about a pipeline - I suspect a lot of this crowd wouldn't be beating the drum for native sovereignty quite so loudly if this was a dispute where the Wet'suwet'en were overfishing salmon or claiming that hunting baby penguins was part of their ancestral culture.

[@KommentarSpaltenKrieger]

the way in which Destiny dismissed the hyperbolic irrealistic hypothetical Rem posed at the beginning of the conversation makes me question if he should be taken seriously anymore. Like, holy fucc, he did this literally 100,000 times in 100,000 different debates. It is a rather aggressive, but effective way of testing whether a statement or moral prescription generally holds water.

[@JustCallMeCeles]

Destiny was Vaush in this debate

[@Dragonite43]

Andew Jackson: It doesn't hurt the Native Americans to move. Destiny: It doesn't hurt the Native Americans to move.

[@Oldmanplum]

Rem is so terribly bad at explaining the difference between the band governments and the traditonal authorities and what they have authority over. Destiny seems to think that the democratically elected band government (singular) has authority over all the land which doesnt seem to be the case To my understanding the band governments have authority over a particular community made up of reservations and are voted in by the people of that 'nation' who are connected to those particular reservations and many or most indigenous peoples will have multiple bands and thus multiple 'nations' forming a larger whole. Meanwhile the traditonal authorities represent the people as a whole (including members of the indigenous community that arent classified as "status indians" by the Indian Act for various reasons) and have authority of the entire traditional territory outside of the reservations which they have a legal right to under canadian law. So in the case of the wetsuwetin they have at least 6 different band governments that each control various reservations within their traditional territory while the rest of the land is under the authority of the 13 hereditary chiefs as the recognised authority of the wetsuwetin as a whole. 5 of the 6 band governments signed off on the pipeline while the traditonal authorities who control the land outside of the reservations did not, and the pipeline runs through the land of both groups. It would seem pretty clear cut then that since the company didnt get the consent of the traditonal authorities to run the pipeline through the land that is under their authority that the building in these lands would be illegal

[@admiral7599]

Vaush exploited the labor of Destiny in this debate by privately owning his youtube channel. A true Capitalist.

[@bluebird5173]

Styxhexenhammer did not debate Vaush in this debate.

[@Lupostehgreat]

These 3 need to do a damn talk show. It would be golden.

[@VoidSinister]

So Rem... My culture is taking over other people's land, you NEED to respect my culture.

[@Thanatos_1313]

How are these guys against private property and then turned around to argue for private property for a set of ppl?

[@Alchemist1330]

Okay... but Destiny kinda got destroyed in this debate... Just keeping it real, Rem is annoying but he wasn't wrong.

[@meks1478]

What does being right or wrong have to do with winning a debate?

[@Alchemist1330]

Meks K well destiny got “destroyed” because he was wrong AND lost the debate, he came off even less likable than Rem here. Now that a whole other level of losing, just being honest.

[@meks1478]

@@Alchemist1330 well in my view I think destiny was wrong, I think he did a better job of defending his 'definitely wrong' position, and I think rem did bad job of defending his 'actually correct' position.

[@hannesboos1549]

I am a Destiny watcher, but Vaush had a great showing here

[@cran4356]

I thought I clicked on a vaush video for a sec

[@elizabethadelheid5935]

Are we really going to ignore the way vaush never turned on auto-target while he was mining? Absolute cringe

[@bgfoote7714]

This is a debate between 2 people who have no idea what they are talking about.

[@sphinx8629]

Destiny was a racist in this debate

[@rokky6053]

Somethings different about Destiny during this debate... did he dye his hair?