Debate DERAILS After Destiny Plays Piano During Shouting Match

[@destiny]

"A punishment" Primecayes ►www.twitch.tv/primecayes ►twitter.com/primecayes ►kzbin.info/door/5-KrE89zNr78JJIFka3QIA

[@destiny]

@@kiy4334 i'll stop

[@lmSnarkk]

primecayes is so chill

[@taltoskieron]

August, if you keep creating BANGER videos like this I'll go full TRIAD and stalk you.

[@skysi]

He gets punished for being old. How is that difficult to understand? Don't harp on exact definition of words

[@parker469a]

@@skysi Exact definitions are important if you're trying to communicate information quickly and effectively but if everybody is already on the same page with what the person means when they say the word then the word has served the purpose that it was intended for which because words are created by people for use for people and not handed down to us by some divine being their definitions are fluid depending on how society uses them but that guy doesn't agree with this idea so he thinks it's justifiable to argue against using "punish" that way. Having said all that, someone is getting screwed for one reason or another and that does suck in a way that each will not feel that it is fair to them.

[@Cycstorm]

The piano is the power move, but the Nuke would be the saxophone.

[@adamngriffin3921]

Bakers street plays over debate

[@Azraelmaximilian]

Especially if you just duck into the corner and then pop out to casually blare Careless Whisper

[@Cycstorm]

Shirtless, like that dude from 'The Lost Boys'.

[@jeffwells641]

@@adamngriffin3921 Man I was totally thinking that. I had to go do some mad googling because I don't think I ever knew the name of the song was "Baker Street".

[@PhillipUranus]

I’d literally shit my pants laughing if he busted the sax out lmfao

[@haydenandersen9937]

With this, he's finally outpaced Vaush. *musically*

[@greatesthits8293]

Nah dog, he doesn't have a sociology degree (which would definitely help with piano skills I think). I feel like like Vaush doesn't mention that enough.

[@jedbriimc9879]

Amazin

[@EE-jp5ev]

Just as foretold in the scrolls

[@bobjenkins4925]

While Vaush was banging on the bongos, I mastered the Bechstein.

[@MrJesusisreal]

true

[@Old_School_293]

If you’re ever debating Destiny and he eats pizza while playing the piano, you’re screwed.

[@pengwin_]

the new "Destiny opens a Notepad"

[@blitz8425]

The ultimate debate tactic doesn't exi.....

[@AnimeFan9833]

It's all about the pi

[@lilfr4nkie]

It’s not even his final form.

[@iamhappyso]

Pizza debate tactics + piano is unstoppable

[@Sprite_525]

*Fanatiq* : “He was short, AND let me say, he wasn’t tall, that’s the disconnect: his height was NOT maximal! Was it minimal? One could say yes. explore the smallness of his height but do NOT DENY IT. Why? Because it’s undeniable. His stature was of negligible amounts, THAT IS my point, heretofore!” *Destiny* : “🎹”

[@alslayer18]

Fanatiq channeling his inner Mojo Jojo

[@MrJesusisreal]

true

[@steviegreenthumb4720]

@@alslayer18 holy fuck ahahahahahaha

[@m.czandogg9576]

@@alslayer18 YOOOOO lol

[@MP-cq7pm]

@@alslayer18 Did you just compare a black man to a monkey?

[@Sakuya_Moon]

Playing the piano officially became a debate tactic

[@laxjs]

Timestamp?

[@chandler7493]

It has been for a while, it's just that recently Destiny has had a high concentration of derangement in his debates

[@Old_School_293]

@@chandler7493 to be fair, Tristan (I got my PhD from a cereal box) would infuriate anyone.

[@chembabe8264]

@@instanttregret i was going to say the same exact thing 😂

[@bartholen]

@@instanttregret The next level is eating pizza while playing the piano. And the final, galaxy brain tier is eating the piano while playing the pizza.

[@Jess.Anderson]

Waiting for the day one of Destiny's opponents responds to the piano by pulling out an instrument of their own and beginning an impromptu jam session.

[@deltachiken5847]

This day can't come soon enough holy shit 🤣

[@TheQuilava96]

I'm going to purposefully create a debate channel, challenge Destiny to a pointless debate, and have my trumpet on standby.

[@Winasaurus]

Duelling banjos in the middle of an immigration debate, I'm down for it

[@highprodigy5063]

cute idea but virtually impossible with delay. Also Destiny seems to always mute when he plays piano, so they can't hear him.

[@imagineifcrazy]

Impossible is a bit disingenuous. Difficult, yes, but not impossible. Also the point of it wouldn't even be to be good quality.. just funny.

[@TheFanoren]

I love this new "they ain't gonna shut up, so ima play piano" meme

[@johnnycash5684]

Piano Tactics > Pizza Tactics

[@WanderTheNomad]

@@johnnycash5684 Pizza Tactics neva eva lose!

[@evolution__snow6784]

“New”

[@Sprite_525]

@@evolution__snow6784 “guys, I was doing piano debate panel strategies like TEN YEARS AGO, I’m so cool and underground!”

[@normanwei529]

@@Sprite_525 im pretty sure destiny did it before, like years ago pretty sure that is what he was eluding too haha

[@salokin3087]

Debating people while playing the Piano is peak Sigma, methstiny energy. We only wish for an ounce of that ability

[@gustavotcb3904]

My meth is too strong for you, traveller.

[@myonlineid9141]

I'll take a gram

[@kebabfoto]

It's on par with the pizza tactic

[@mlgmcdonaldsland7063]

@@kebabfoto Holy fuck I forgot about that

[@slikkwill4137]

I support this rhetoric on an emotional level

[@SPENCEx1x3]

3:26:35 The 3/5 compromise was actually an antislavery measure of the Constitution. Contrary to popular logic, it was the antislavery side that argued that African Americans should count as 0 people and the pro-slavery side that argued for them to count as 1 person. The reason for this is that they were arguing over whether slaves should count towards a state's population for their representation in the House of Representatives. If they counted as full people then it would help the pro-slavery side by granting them more political power in the House, while if they didn't count as people it would grant the antislavery side more.

[@kingknapp]

I thought most people knew that? The entire point was that the union states were showing the blatant contradiction that the south was having about slaves. The views of the south were that slaves were inferior and are property, not people. The union was pretty much saying that you can't have your cake and eat it too. Or a better phrase that I've heard is, "If you're going to be a bitch, be the whole bitch." If you want slaves, they're property. If you want a higher population, they're people and deserve to be treated as such.

[@ajollyoldben]

@@kingknapp Just because the Union was right about slavery being bad doesn't necessarily mean they were right that slaves shouldn't count as a person for the purposes of population. There doesn't seem to be any inherent contradiction in someone being both a human and property. The population was a count of humans in the country not a count of citizens, or people who could vote. Most people couldn't vote anyway. Also most people don't know any history.

[@lo-filogic]

@@ajollyoldben You're forgetting the context

[@MMMM-vq1yr]

The 3/5s compromise actually makes me so angry, I wish the North burnt the South even more. 'People that we are saying aren't people should suddenly be considered people when it comes to our political power and influence'. I have no idea how anyone can defend the Confederacy as being downtrodden and mistreated when shit like that was allowed.

[@knes167]

@@kingknapp I NEVER remembering hearing that lol. I just thought it was cuz racism and lowering black peoples "human being" score to

[@AnimeFan9833]

Madlad: *starts speaking* Destiny: Sorry can I- Prime: Hey stop! Destiny, go on.

[@poadude]

LOL i noticed that too

[@jacobburr3570]

Prime got that top energy baby

[@kingdodgearcane]

Perhaps Madlad should invest more than 5 dollars on a microphone

[@jaked.5954]

You know Steven is about to drop some knowledge when he puts his hands behind his head

[@pisaniforprez]

He's pushing the brain juice towards the front where his mouth is

[@rreeeekk]

you know he's gunna say something fast and angry and probably end with an exclamation of "holy shit"

[@SuperSecretAgentNein]

The second I read this comment I look up to Tiny doing just this.

[@fischerosborn6470]

Suprised destiny didnt need to whip out the famous pizza strat to deal with such a dominant opponent

[@Funymoney010]

It’s been triumphed by playing the piano

[@baronofbaobabs]

CatJAM moments 2:18:25 but even 2:29:13 DIRECTLY 2:30:15 you were so quick 2:30:53 it needs to be 3:06:38 some people do 3:08:34 furthermore ft. piano 3:10:59 we're talking about ft. piano 3:15:46 and the difference 3:17:28 do you remember 3:18:46 why would you make a law 3:22:31 and the other thing 3:25:43 so this is why ft. destiny 3:28:08 clearly ft. destiny

[@kwongstar7821]

Bless your timestamps

[@Sprite_525]

This is amazing holy sh%+ 😆

[@Oo-vr2jn]

Thanks for linking the piano part

[@maartenjanez1489]

Man, Fanatiq sure likes to hear himself talk

[@MaxPowersUK]

Clearly

[@user-gu1un7pb7k]

I think he knows he's dumb and doesn't want anyone to jump in and correct him

[@SuperKitchenSink]

@@user-gu1un7pb7k literally me

[@Shannxy]

Then get really visibly mad and complains when someone else spends even half the time he does, to answer something

[@faikerdogan2802]

@@user-gu1un7pb7k wouldn't say dumb but really needs to chill

[@xXFluffers]

Prime cayes has gotten a lot better at moderating since the last time I saw him. I still won't watch unless destiny is on but it's nice that he doesn't consider himself a moderator and panelist at the same time anymore

[@FranciscoEditing]

I don't know when the last time you saw him was, and I'm not trying to be mean, but I'm at 1:02:00 and people are literally arguing back and forth with him. First hour in and he's talking way too much for a neutral moderator imho xD

[@xXFluffers]

@@FranciscoEditing He used to literally spend 100% of the time as a participant. I'm not gonna be super hard on a twitch stream panel host occasionally inserting themselves into the argument, not only is it just gonna happen sometimes on something so informal, it's also good content sometimes. It was just irritating in the past when he was CONSTANTLY apart of the argument and abusing his host powers to just mute people and argue over them, he doesn't really do that anymore it seems.

[@Loengrinn]

@@xXFluffers main reason I prefer Dylan Burns panels. Dylan literally debates, but he almost never chimes in on his panels, and he's way better at cutting into the talking over each other, which I can't STAND and actually makes me not watch Prime's panels.

[@casualmime2792]

He 100% still does that. He did that here.

[@jacobburr3570]

Oh I thought he was a panelist in this video. He's being a moderator while destiny is hosting?

[@tarfielarchelone2674]

"I'm in the middle of game" No wonder he's so high strung he's probably getting blown out.

[@henrywoolley3733]

Wasn’t he playing TFT as well your literally just watching the fighting take place

[@Crispman_777]

@@henrywoolley3733 You are but it's still a game that demands focus

[@scottydo0081]

Literally every speaker on this panel has a dramatically different volume from one another.

[@HanzOfHarkir]

This was so much fun, great debating with you dude

[@wren4077]

You made fanatiq balder than he is Rude

[@Dexanimus]

Jolly good troll sir 🧐

[@justintyler4814]

This may be a contraversial point, but fanatiq gets mad like his name is Melvin.

[@crypticraps]

100%

[@jdjenk04]

Why does it seem like Fanatiq takes 10 minutes to say something that could be said in 20 seconds? It’s like every thought he has has to meet the 5 page minimum requirement for an essay.

[@HP-sq2fp]

Because he has an obscenely inflated view of his own intelligence. This dude LOVES to hear himself talk 😂 It gives second hand embarrassment

[@mypartyisprivate8693]

As a long-winded person myself, he is insanely long-winded

[@mlgmcdonaldsland7063]

@@mypartyisprivate8693 Make your party public

[@trondadon2527]

Destiny lowkey does the same shit sometimes. He’ll speak in a long tangent for no fucking reason

[@Tyler-lr6fq]

@@trondadon2527 yeah, destiny does it sometimes, but far less frequently. There’s also a big difference between being longwinded and being able to cut out 98% of the words said and lose no meaning

[@lorddank1121]

The epipen segment was unironically the only time I wanted to hear Sproticus talk about something.

[@kawaiiandbeans124]

Yikes. If only Fanatiq cared to read the second or third definitions of punishment on Google, he would understand that the word "punishment' does work with how Destiny is using it. Unfortunately he got so heated and blinded by a semantics debate and decided to yikes us with content.

[@hamsterboy56]

I like how it was just a given that having a socialised medical system disincentivises research when the UK outperforms the US on bio-medical papers per 1000 population and per GDP and per GDP spend on research. America does way more research than the rest of the west because the country is huge and has an enormous economy

[@lo-filogic]

I was wondering about that since the entire argument seemed to hinge on this fact. It's usually not a good sign when 1 wrong metric/source or analysis can make the entire argument moot.

[@hamsterboy56]

@@lo-filogic That's exactly why I looked it up lmao

[@PedroTricking]

What if disincentives very expensive (but very important) research? The stat you gave doesn't address that.

[@hamsterboy56]

@@PedroTricking you mean like how Oxford University was researching a vaccine for SARS for decades funded almost entirely by the government? That turned out pretty useful when they released the first covid vaccine in the world.

[@pactsuprize]

A socialized medical system DOES decentivize research. Your "european countries" have been piggyback riding off of American research for their spots. They say that overall health innovation, the U.S. is ranked 4th. However we are ranked first in BOTH choice and science/research

[@TheMrBrown96]

I want a debate panel were people like Fanatiq just instantly get booted off, the second everyone else realises how out of his depth he is

[@tamzeed5285]

Would be constructive. He always debates about semantics and wants to score points based on cherry picking. Very dishonest.

[@PedroTricking]

I watched the Hanz video and through a lot of this Fanatiq seems to be logically in the right and people aren't following him. That hanz video was mostly on making fun of covid suiciders, it started there at least. I still disagree with every position fanatiq took though.

[@handsomebear.]

@@woozleification Monologue shitshows are way less fun than group shitshows. Hearing the same person talk in the same way with the same stupid argument over and over again is just boring.

[@jaunty_tunes]

No way. This was quality entertainment

[@KizTheCat]

Uh Sprouticus said that when you go to a normal doctor you’re not allowed to go back to the VA and that’s definitely false. I go back and forth all the time.

[@Sniperfuchs]

I'm pretty sure "Sprouticus says something that's wrong" is his entire brand.

[@feedmeyourragetearsareacce1135]

Because Sprouticus just listens to right-wing podcasts all day and has no idea what he's talking about or the impact it has on their lives.

[@richardnixon7248]

Sprouticus is actually a really good moderator though. He has a "cage match" addition that keeps annoying, shouty people in check by giving them 3 minutes with another person then muting both for 3 minutes. Even though sprout is a Conservative, his impartial moderation ended up disproportionately policing Rob Noerr, who's an incredibly annoying Conservative whatabouter

[@TCVB491]

Sprout is dumb, that being said, he’s a much better moderator. I’ll take him over “Rob Noer” ten times over.

[@kentontudor]

Lol at the first topic. "What are some other options to socialized medicine since not everyone is in favor." Panel goes on to say there's nothing better than socialized medicine. Great debate guys

[@AnimeFan9833]

"Well, the problem with your hypothetical is that it's not realistic" a sentence that says more about you than any hypothetical ever could.

[@fisharepeopletoo9653]

Hypothetically speaking, If a rhinoceros existed in the universe, and this rhinoceros was god, and this god thought only rhinoceros' should be able to live, but that god is also limited in his abilities in that it can only kill other rhinoceros', would there be more or less grass growing in the plains?

[@fisharepeopletoo9653]

As a hypothetical, let me introduce the concept of anti-gravity. If the Earth were hit by an anti-gravity laser from an unknown alien species, and this anti gravity laser destroyed the Earth since it could no longer hold itself together, would this be an act of war? And how do you think the now destroyed human species should respond? Lmao not all hypotheticals can be granted. You really do need to ground them in reality, because otherwise we just don't know what we're talking about. My examples might suck but my point is that reality is necessary in hypotheticals otherwise no one can follow your hypothetical.

[@Divinemakyr]

@@fisharepeopletoo9653 A hypothetical doesn't need to be realistic. Often, the entire point of hypotheticals is that they are NOT realistic and thus can push ideals to their limit in situations that rarely or never occur in reality.

[@fisharepeopletoo9653]

@@Divinemakyr I intentionally said things that don't make sense and can't be granted. My second comment leaves the earth destroyed and the human race extinct, then asks how these hypothetical humans might respond to an action. But of course they couldn't respond, because they are extinct, making it a useless hypothetical. There needs to be some level of realism for the hypothetical to make sense, was my point. If your hypothetical isn't grounded in reality then it can't be engaged with by people who are.

[@jacc7203]

@@fisharepeopletoo9653 you're right, a hypothetical, or "thought experiment" should resemble reality as closely as possible, and only change one variable, so you can isolate that variables effect on the situation. Like an experiment, but for thoughts. Pretty basic philosophy tool, actually.

[@thealexkirschproject]

Obama actually gave Veterans choice to seek out healthcare outside the VA. Trump just expanded upon it.

[@trobins4473]

Destiny’s explanation of marginal cost is a great example of why I follow his channel. Appreciate this kind of clarification in these discussions.

[@rednog6538]

I swear PrimeCayes has the unique ability to to pull in the most brain dead panelists. I swear some of their arguments are them just yelling at each other when none of them don't have the faintest idea about what they're talking about.

[@pbmdh]

2:10:50 Absolutely it is NOT first come first serve. There's a huge complex equation, but the patient's status and the chance that they go back to drink again (using a cirrhotic liver for example) is 100% taken into account, it actually accounts for a huge amount of the equation. Source: Wife is an inpatient RN on the organ transplant floor of a well known hospital

[@VenomRivera666]

It would've been more effective if he didn't mute himself before playing. That would have been the true Chad move.

[@cameronstrouth7614]

Destiny was destroyed in this concerto

[@wairfeather972]

Destiny & Hans: “People’s beliefs and their understanding of the world are shaped largely by the environment they live and grow up in.” Fanatiq: 👁👄👁

[@burningsickle]

Just wanted to say - as a conservative, I appreciate Sprouticus being willing to come onto these debate channels in these sort of 1 right-leaning vs 8-9 central to left leaning panelists and try his best to make his points. He doesn't seem to have the most robust answers - definitely not the most researched ones - but he at least manages to put the ideas out there while being reasonably respectful. Similarly, thanks to the other panelists who are patient with him - despite largely disagreeing with him. They offered him at least some chance at legitimate discource, and even occasionally supported ideas that didn't seem as out there. Mind you, I'm only 25 minutes in at the writing of this comment, but I do appreciate how Destiny and others conducted themselves here.

[@Mrbigdaddymanamale]

CLEARLY CLEARLY CLEARLY CLEARLY, this is good content.

[@an_Anon]

CLEARLY

[@redshift912]

So this is why so this is why so this is why

[@Visitant69]

I despise that moment in a Destiny debate when he's slowly walking someone through something and he's almost got them exactly where we need to go, and some yahoo decides nows the time to interject and stop Destiny from clearing up the misunderstanding.

[@NotimetoVero]

Tru

[@quokolotus]

The dictionary also says punish means "to treat someone in an unfair way". By this definition the old man is being treated unfairly for being old which is by no fault of his own, while the younger guy has a choice to take preventative measures. In essence he's being "punished".

[@MO-zk8qs]

fanatiq repeating the first part his sentence forever until everyone gives up is really awful..like I get doing that if you're heated and desperate but it wasn't even that serious

[@pward17]

Hes 95% rhetoric

[@greyalice]

To be fair, Destiny does this as well. I think the difference is that it takes a lot more to push Destiny to that point of frustration than Fanatiq

[@env0x]

people think Destiny intentionally trying to interrupt Fanatiq. lol nah he's just trying to de-stress from the frustration! he wasted a lot of time getting stuck on lexical semantics in this

[@MO-zk8qs]

Yeah I believe that. Sometimes destiny's too quick to try and boil things down, but most of the time he helps give breathing room from all the arguing

[@xenomorphairsofting8988]

Please keep doing the piano when someone is grand standing. It makes it so bearable. Love it.

[@rreeeekk]

i looked up the meaning of grand standing during this debate and im pretty sure its basically the same as virtue signaling. am i wrong?

[@mechanomics2649]

@@rreeeekk They're more or less the same, but what does that have to do with anything?

[@MongrelFather]

If for no other reason than that, i really hope this lasts a long while. It really makes the rambling so entertaining instead of grating sometimes

[@alecrutz956]

grand piano standing

[@jako9833]

what song was he playing

[@tempesttossed6029]

3:17:04 yup. end of debate. No one is immune to propaganda, but that doesn't make them absolved of the harm they commit.

[@alewis17]

Anyone who says that ANY system is perfect as is is someone you should write off completely

[@PedroTricking]

Is that system perfect? Checkmate atheists.

[@alewis17]

@@PedroTricking oh Shii-

[@cowyeti21]

Piano-rage-arc has been the most enjoyable arc

[@codeinetcetera]

3:08:05 what's the name of the song he was playing, it was beautiful

[@Alex_Johnson_]

It's mainly just improv. But there's a full video of Destiny playing the piano with Albert from a few years back that's also pretty good. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6vNimlni9qin9E

[@alexanderiskandar8379]

It is improv I think, it does however sound somewhat similar to Lavender by Uncle Chris, a song I know he is a big fan of

[@AnimeFan9833]

Regularly doodle around on a piano, learn some scales and listen to a lot of music for a couple of months and you're gonna be able to improvise stuff like that too.

[@devalapar7878]

Let's play fanatiq's game: The vaccinated person who is rejected in the hospital is not rewarded for doing the right thing. So the correct term is "not rewarded". Sometimes people say punished when they expect a reward but don't get it.

[@Oopsydoodles]

Destiny's new Piano Ignore Ultimate smash that rolled out this patch is great, massive tilter.

[@pengwin_]

too OP, needs balancing

[@stropheum]

It's actually been in the game for years, but he just started experimenting with it again ever since they nerfed moderators

[@tomlloyd2603]

Just some clarification on the UK "denying a kid goes to Italy to be saved": "The Alder Hey Children's Hospital NHS Foundation Trust went to the High Court to seek a declaration that "continued ventilator support is not in Alfie's best interests and in the circumstances it is not lawful that such treatment continue". Sitting at the High Court in Liverpool, Mr Justice Hayden began overseeing the case on 19 December. Alder Hey said scans showed "catastrophic degradation of his brain tissue" and that further treatment was not only "futile" but also "unkind and inhumane"." And: "Mr Evans said he believed his son was still responsive, telling reporters outside court Alfie was "improving". But Michael Mylonas QC, representing the hospital, said: "One of the problems of this case is they [Alfie's parents] look at him and, barring the paraphernalia of breathing and feeding, he's a sweet, lovely, normal-looking boy who opens his eyes, [and] will smile..." The hospital asserted that any movements by the child were "spontaneous seizures as a result of touching". Mr Justice Hayden ruled in favour of hospital bosses and doctors were set to withdraw ventilation on 23 February before his parents embarked on a lengthy legal battle."

[@Crispman_777]

That Alfie's Army shit was horrible. Really showed the public's ignorance towards end of life procedures and the reasoning behind the practices.

[@eben7248]

Type 1 Diabetic here - Destiny is a little off base at 1:43:00 when he talks about slow-acting vs. fast-acting insulin. Both are important, and every Diabetic needs both. The slow-acting insulin acts as a _basal,_ and regulates natural fluctuations in blood glucose level throughout the day, whereas the fast-acting insulin is used as a _bolus_ for when you're eating carbohydrates, or when your BGL is high regardless of the basal dose. In fact, if you use an insulin pump, you can accomplish both of these with the same type of insulin, because instead of one large dose of slow-acting insulin at the _start_ of the day, it delivers an incremental drip of fast-acting insulin _throughout_ the day.

[@greyalice]

You used fast acting for both types and as someone who is clueless to this stuff I'm confused XD

[@eben7248]

@@greyalice oh shit that was a mistake. Basal is slow acting.

[@keely-lornekirby7370]

Fanatic saying “I’ve hardly spoken” and then proceeding to never let anyone else speak for the rest of the panel 😂

[@unclebobboomergames]

2:25:00 onward Sometimes I like fanatiq. This is not one of those times.

[@drueger]

Wait they absolutely do discriminate against alcoholics in organ transplant. Most times you are required to be CLEAN for so many months with periodic urinalysis to make sure that you are

[@tarfielarchelone2674]

No save the 24 old alcoholic who destroyed his liver in two years

[@Kris-wo4pj]

Yup same with being obese. My grandmother had to lose over 100 lbs to get a new hip even tho she was on enough pain killers to kill a man just to sleep but they wanted to make sure she could keep the weight off to not put unnessary strain on the new hip. She lost about 150lbs got the surgery and kept it off. They dont wanna have to do another surgery on ya just cuz ya make terrible life decisions when theres people that make better life decisions who need the same thing.

[@MexicanfNinja]

Pretty ironic fanatic was yelling about someone sucking up all the air in the room and taking forever

[@midgevong41]

True but when he said that he wasn’t wrong either

[@_soups]

That's hypocrisy, not irony.

[@MexicanfNinja]

@@_soups yes

[@InternetResearch]

Some sort of debate is covering the Stellaris gameplay, August definitely fumbled this upload

[@walterspencer7524]

I'm surprised Destiny didn't use the piano years ago. That move really pisses people off. It is way more socially disrespectful than insulting someone for some odd reason.

[@tigresuave11]

2:26:57 when you're trying to act hard but your emotions start leaking out

[@stitchup5637]

Does anyone have a source for this claim that Americans are being overcharged on drugs and healthcare to fund 90% of the world's medical research and development? Most of it appears to be related to investment in pharmaceuticals and not 'medical research' as a whole. Even then the highest number I could find was something like being responsible for 57% of new drugs introduced...

[@apriljoy1094]

It’s nonsense. The issue isn’t patents but monopolies. In most countries the government negotiates medical prices and the government is the biggest monopoly. The government also has an interest in promoting profit as otherwise they have to fund research ie they act as regulators in market. And the US invests a lot in research per capita. They are third but due to size largest investor. Also it costs less to produce in some places plus transport costs differ.

[@damedusa5107]

⁠@@apriljoy1094also uk is also one of the highest (3rd) overall with medical breakthroughs and papers created. Yet it’s a within a system to publicly owned healthcare. Which non of them mentioned. In fact at one point one guy said because of the rules in uk they don’t innovate drugs or research because it’s not incentivised???? Which by the evidence is actually completely false. USA definitely creates the most, but it’s only by a factor of about 3.5, yet the population is more than 3.5 bigger than the uk. So everything that’s being said here doesn’t stack up when you look at the evidence. A simple look at uk proves that. Yet no one bothered to research the first socialised medicine system in a discussion on that very topic. Ignorance or arrogance?

[@stupafly06]

Fanatiq always interjects but just yells louder and louder and faster and faster until nobody else is talking. I remember doing that in like grade 2

[@stupafly06]

He honestly just rambles in circles while being twice as loud as anyone else and repeats himself..

[@TheTheawesomeguy35]

“CLEARLY, CLEARLY, CLEARLY!” Someone needs to remix that

[@snoopsauce6294]

And to think, this is Destiny at a fraction of his power. These people would quake in fear at Methstiny

[@the-renegade]

He takes meth? When?

[@mlgmcdonaldsland7063]

@@the-renegade Some guy sold him some sort of unidentified amphetamine claiming it was mdma

[@the-renegade]

@@mlgmcdonaldsland7063 So, he takes meth regularly?

[@Niko-pt9li]

@@the-renegade yes

[@the-renegade]

@@Niko-pt9li Seriously???

[@jacobwages7021]

i love when destiny plays music during a debate. It's soothing amid the chaos .

[@Lazzil]

I'm really glad we have Destiny's calm and soothing piano music to counterbalance Fanatiq's high intensity debate screaming.

[@rapth]

I love fanatiq he tries to stay calm so hard but when he fails its so fun to watch

[@swordsman111982]

The only thing more annoying that privates in the military it seems is privates outside the military. Combat Life Saver has the nickname in the army of Combat Life Taker. You have the extreme bare minimum medical training. And about 90% of what he says about the VA is false.

[@Kris-wo4pj]

About to say my grandfather only uses the VA since he served in nam and the only issue he has is they wont pay for the uber nice(expensive) equipment he wants and theyre slow sometimes.

[@twanner_]

It’s especially funny being that the piano is directly plugged into the audio interface lmao

[@saradangererickson7031]

Sometimes I think I'm done with Destiny, and then he pulls me right back in.

[@whiteedgykid7307]

This is the content I crave. Gnomestiny making bangers

[@Dreadnaught1985]

Also, needing to bring in a non-us voice to the debate part. Where everyone circle jerks the concept that the US consumer is subsidising research for all medical care around the world. This is patently false. I know that "American exceptional-ism" means everyone in the call want s to think the US is responsible for 90% of the world medical research. Yes, US R&D is higher than the other individual countries. But it's more like 25-28% which when you're talking globally is really fucking high. But your painting it in a light that if America wasn't doing all the research, the other countries in the world wouldn't be making any advancements. And this is why you need some non-US voices in this discussion.

[@amplifier515]

A few problematic talking points I heard about patents and other countries’ medicinal procurements. Generic medications aren’t “knockoffs.” They contain the same therapeutic active ingredients as the brand name variant, but the non-active ingredients will vary. Think Walgreens ibuprofen vs Advil. Typically, a generic drug cannot be manufactured until the original patent expires. Foreign countries must respect these patent laws as part of negotiated trade deals. When TFG was working to negotiate the rebranded NAFTA, they wanted 10 years of patent protection, but the House dems struck it from the agreement to maintain the status quo of 8 years from Canada, and 5 years from Mexico. For a generic version of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine to be available for sale and manufacture in Canada, that will be possible in 2028. It is difficult to buy the pharma industry‘a argument that renegotiation of drug prices for Americans will affect innovation when we look under the hood for what percentage of their revenue is spent on R&D vs. marketing, lobbying, C-suite exec compensation, etc.

[@tbone007]

It seems "Punished" is the new trigger word...

[@battlebrothertifesrolilios4423]

Listening to a whole vc of people interact with a hypothetical like 12 year olds is perhaps one of the most infuriating experiences I’ve listened to.

[@Septemberl4d]

When we are talking about triage we are talking about priority/threat of death. So a stub'd toe which is broken compared to a shallow cut which is bleeding then a gunshot wound impacting a vital organ. That is triage. But when you are adding in policies for vax you are talking about an added step in place to combat more becoming sick. So when you say "don't let them in because they aren't vax'd" you are actually trying to say that they can and could have totally avoided getting that said thing, like not juggling that knife that person cut them self with. It is something they could have actively done to AVOID getting the sickness. Because they could have avoided this outcome, but require space in the hospital they are now increasing the chances of spreading it to more people at risk inside of said hospital when they could have just totally avoided it and not hurt others. So when they say they should turn those away from the hospital it is more along the lines of protecting people, not taking up space. Space isn't the issue here, it is causing more of a cascading problem for the rest of the people who are at risk. It is pretty fucking simple but these idiots dance around it in stupid ways not talking about why you actually need to turn them away certainly with how EASILY available the vax is now. No vax, no treatment makes sense.

[@longstrider2734]

What if the individual who is un-vaxxed and does not have covid. But at the hospital say, for a broken leg. Severe enough that requires surgery to fix and won't heal left to its own devices. Since it's not in relation to covid as for the visit, is it sill no Vax, no treatment?

[@Kris-wo4pj]

​@@longstrider2734 no cuz they dont have the easily preventable disease that they didnt get preventative care for and thus cant spread it. If they did have it they would still be treated but they would have to be under quarintine until after the surgery so they dont infect and possibly kill someone else. This is the issue hospitals had during the pandemic. They couldnt isolate all of them so it spread to others and the death toll and infection rate skyrocketed. Cascading problem. Thankfully the vaccine came out most people got it and like the flu covid stopped being life threatening to all but people in delicate situations ie old, young, immunity compromised and people with lung diseases. Since long covid does lower life expentency and quality esp in those groups if they survive.

[@YamaxJama]

The issue with medical costs being high in America can be boiled down to = Insurance companies are willing to pay far above the normal price of medical goods and services because it financially benefits them to do so. Not only that, it financially benefits the manufacturers and the doctors. By overpaying for goods and services this raises their overall cost meaning average people are less willing to pay for them at that price, which then forces average people to buy into insurance which gives them a big discount. Things are worth what people (or companies) are willing to pay for them. Insurance companies are incentivized to increase their number of subscribers. That is their goal. To do that they need to raise costs (by overpaying for stuff) so that average people can't afford it. Why would manufacturers or doctors willingly give their product to regular people when insurance companies are offering way more money?

[@moneygrab610]

Fanatiq accusing people of grandstanding while he finds every synonym for the word “because” is hilarious.

[@blocherxk6618]

This is the evolution of the eating pizza strategy.

[@pbear1988]

Final form is eating pizza while playing piano

[@brandonden795]

@@pbear1988 Eat the piano

[@AnimeFan9833]

This is actually the prequel

[@wairfeather972]

Punish - Treat (someone) in an unfairly harsh way Penalize - put in an unfavorable position or at an unfair disadvantage I hate when people play the dictionary game to be obtuse while ignoring every other definition that doesn’t work in their favor

[@feelthebern3783]

51:36 - Very well done by Cayes, he's the only one who gets it. This idea that when you remove PART of the profits of a corporation that develops new drugs, they will stop producing new drugs is insane to me. Obviously, you can have the government negotiate drug prices AND allow those companies to still make a profit. Let's take a scenario where a drug-making corporation gets 30$ profit / per drug created. If the government negotiates drug prices and they start making 20$ profit / per drug, do you think they're just going to dismantle the whole company and invest in an industry that makes 25$ profit / per product instead? That's not how it ANYTHING works. Let's say that producing cars is the most profitable industry in existence. Let's say that each car produces a 60$ profit / per unit. How come Pfizer is not willing to go manufacture cars instead, if they would go from 30$ to 60$ profit / per unit? Wow, crazy! How could it possibly be!? Well, because ANY corporation - regardless of which industry they belong to - can't simply get rid of all of the infrastructure they built - from employees, a network of knowledge, expertise, labs and facilities - and go invest in "the most profitable industry" instead. If that were the case, we wouldn't observe a practically infinite amount of different industries out there, each specialized in creating different types of products with different rates of profitability. To see the most ardent right-wing pro-corporation defenders not understand this fact, is crazy to me. It's logic defying. Yeah, the government negotiating for drug prices and reducing the profitability of drug companies is fine. Those companies aren't going anywhere. They'll still produce enough research, because they'll still have the profits to do so, and nobody has ever dismantled an company (that still produces profits) to go pack their bags and invest in a completely new area where they have to start from scratch. The diversified economy that we currently see in the real world is proof of that. How can you deny it? How come people have set up shampoo making companies, if that only creates 2$ profit / per bottle? Crazy, huh!?

[@Brickzot]

He’s doing like some sort of Fmaj7 Cmaj7 Fmaj7 Cmaj7 pattern, but with Dmin7 Amin7 and Emin7 chords sprinkled in…sounds like some of them might be slash chords too, but hard to tell.

[@cowyeti21]

I dont care. You know music theory is a social construct, right?

[@AnimeFan9833]

@@cowyeti21 It do be a social construct

[@Brickzot]

@@cowyeti21 ur mom told me you were a social construct

[@personalaccount6477]

@@Brickzot my mom is a social construct

[@cowyeti21]

@@Brickzot im not :P

[@matsab7930]

2:40:00 - this whole conversation is handled so poorly. half the group are pretending this incredibly complicated ethical question - the trolley question - is really something very simple. They will always prioritize the younger person over the older, regardless of context. This feels distinctly unfair as it doesn't consider the personal decisions made by any parties. The question has no 'right' answer, it's irritating to me that some of them spend their time laughing at hans when he's only offering an alternative and equally valid view.

[@blitz8425]

Sprout is basically a fox news headline generator lmao

[@wuzomed]

as the rest of the panel a CNN headline generator?!

[@souljahsquad4447]

Heres why that was STUPID quality of life has nothing to do with age and is completely objective. We have a qualitative standard but this is minimal because isnt the same for any 1 situation. A 24 year old quadraplegic isnt gonna have a better quality of life than a 75 year old person specifically because quality if life in medicine is how close to normal is your life going to be afterwards and even the example of a 24 year old unvaccinated person vs a 80 year old vaccinated person... its an assumption that the 24 year old wont die anyways and its highly speculative the 80 year old will..... now if you say the 80 year old has a bunch of illnesses and has a lower chance of recovery that is different but in any other medical circumstance age is NEVER a damn factor or is dead last because quality of life has nothing to do with age. i can show you a 74 year old man that is a body builder and healthier than many young people so assuming our system. Works like that is wrong and insane

[@jack.crnkovich]

3:24:15 Hans is out here doing 1 handed push ups while fanatiq is talking

[@HanzOfHarkir]

one handed push ups are my keyboard technique

[@timetobail]

@@HanzOfHarkir debate me on fascism

[@Raiden5058]

Wow I didn't notice the first time

[@vanessadisco6643]

Its insane that we argue so hard whether or not to use our tax dollars for public health and wellbeing. If we arent using tax dollars for things like health care and infrastructure... why the hell are we paying taxes? So we can occupy the world militarily?

[@Reese842]

It's not about patent law so much as it is about the US being a country that isn't allowed to negotiate drug prices. Right now we have a Democratic senator, Sinema, holding up the entire Democratic agenda because Pharma lobbyists have contributed nearly $1 million to her campaign recently so that she doesn't support Medicare negotiating drug prices.

[@j.rlouis3756]

Fanatiq has really bad anger issues goddamn.

[@Ebb0Productions]

short fuse

[@j.rlouis3756]

@Andrew Stevenson I've been aware of fanatiq for some time now. He has a bad habit of going on tangents and getting overly upset. Hanz and Destiny baited him several times towards the end of the video and he bit on it every single time. Theres nothing wrong with black men showing anger and defending themselves, but the way fanatiq does it undermines himself.

[@joeyhuddleston7072]

@Andrew Stevenson Nah, he's angry to a fault. Not just remarking on a black dude being aggressive, just on him being stupidly temperamental.

[@mechanomics2649]

He comes from the fighting game community so that's to be expected.

[@nolanlehman6392]

I lost brain cells from Fanatiq here my lord. He's worse than some trolls I've seen. When he started saying "So this is why" 50 times I did laugh but it was more out of shock he can unironically act like this and think he's being intelligent

[@redshift912]

It’s super funny , come on ….

[@bennyd1200]

dude the ragequit piano playing could be such a good meme

[@_The_Traveler_]

There's a particular moment towards the end, where Destiny hits hyperdrive, and I actually had to check to see if I had absent-mindedly sped up the video.

[@mlgmcdonaldsland7063]

I can't wait for this

[@mlgmcdonaldsland7063]

"hyperdrive" lmao

[@_The_Traveler_]

@@mlgmcdonaldsland7063make sure you're sitting down, for the g-forces

[@lourj3883]

I've been avoiding these long post but I'm sick working from home and now hooked 😮‍💨

[@jloiben12]

1:42:00 Destiny: a great example of a biomedical product that made a marginal, immaterial, improvement and used that improvement to extend the patent is the epipen.

[@Loengrinn]

This is the actual problem with patent law, but they never talked about it, which was disappointing.

[@gg-uq6zm]

What kind of panel is this? If there aren't at least 30 people in this panel, I don't want to watch this debate

[@saltchanssshhh]

fanatiq is so bad faith half the time, it genuinely hurts to try to listen and realize he's denying the point he's been alluding to for 20 minutes.

[@Stable_Genius]

Veterans' Choice existed before trump. The VA isn't a failed system.

[@Loengrinn]

It's a right wing talking point. Social security isn't underfunded, it's paid for as it's paid out. The only way it's underfunded is if the pay out exceeds the pay in. Which is easy to fix, you adjust the taxes on payroll to correct the difference, which is minor because more people pay taxes for SS than get money out of it. The VA isn't "poorly run" it's poorly funded. Which is A HUGE issue with our attitude around deploying our soldiers in other countries. We LOVE sending I'm the troops, but we refuse to take care of them afterwards. Which is easy to fix, just take a portion of Defense spending and divert it to VA programs.

[@cmike123]

The claim that you cant go to a doctor outside of the VA then go back to VA care is false. They prefer you go to a VA hospital, but you have a chance of the VA reimbursing you if you sough outside care. Normally for emergencies.

[@kamb3800]

that babies head was 90% mush - studies

[@Crispman_777]

I mean... it was basically what the Dr said

[@kamb3800]

@@Sue_Me_Too nice

[@bennymountain1]

"Destiny plays piano during shouting match" right in the title? August knows what we're here for.

[@MoreMonarchy]

Yo I just found this video again years later and once again fanatiq is giving me the most deadly metastatic cancer possible. Tumors are just appearing everywhere the more he speaks. The hans guy trolling him is the only redeeming quality

[@TheJuggernaut88]

Thank you Destiny, this video was sooooo entertaining. At first I was annoyed by Fanatiq, but he's hes such a clown that his absence from the stream would not be as entertaining as it is. Also that piano piece was *chef's kiss*.

[@TAGGdinc]

You can't expect private insurance companies that need to make money to pay for these veterans or expect doctors and health professionals to work for free