Sneako DESTROYS The Redpill Godfather On Fresh N Fit

What Is A High Value Man? HEATED Debate w/F&F, @destiny, Sneako & @RolloTomassi ​
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What Is A High Value Man? HEATED Debate w/F&F, @destiny, Sneako & @RolloTomassi ​(FULL PODCAST) ►kzbin.infoxP8JXeG0G7w?feature=share Redpill Godfather Is PISSED At Sneako And Destiny ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/ioWUp3mcadKendk

[@T1000-h4k]

Ngl, The most fun I have had watching fresh n fit.

[@Blueline3691]

50:44 Sneako let the man stand up 💀

[@Blueline3691]

52:15 DAN MOMENT

[@Okm3dia]

Sneako and destiny r right

[@basenvy]

Rollo is nothing more than a dusty fart.

[@mcbean1]

not going to lie, Destiny and Sneako are a dangerous combo

[@kimokos]

Facts. I was bursting out laughing the entire time

[@kingcort8073]

Not really tbh...The Dude is just dumb

[@HauntedHarmonics]

For real lol. They straight eviscerated him. Absolutely no mercy The whole thing gave me end-of-Whiplash vibes, with D as Fletcher, delighted at the debate monster he’s created

[@eli8444]

Front brain and hind brain working together.

[@dlilwon]

Love them together. Now if Sneako and Aba could make up. Oof that would be a dangerous trio and am here for it.

[@theseeker7692]

Seeing Sneako go from "You never get tired of new pussy" to advocating for families is a character arc I didn't know I needed

[@shelbyspeaks3287]

@@EventualWarlord not if one wants a larger part of the pie... post modernism destroys it doesn't create shit.

[@kendallpeebles7481]

Sneako the Gray Cuk. That was my name. *I* am Sneako the White Truth and I come back to you now - at the turn of the tide.

[@bastionrome9021]

Later that night he picks up a new French chick on the after hours show in front of xena his other chick

[@nope9698]

@@shelbyspeaks3287 lol people are still afraid of post modernism? You're like 6 years behind on the internet.

[@shelbyspeaks3287]

@@nope9698 because frankly that's where noble savagery comes from, today y'all motherfuckers talk outta your ass and demand respect from people without compromise and that's *never been* how the world has worked, that's how the "post-modern" muh truth is god world works.

[@derekcarter2645]

Seeing destiny and sneako unite was like seeing goku and frieza fight together in the tournament of power. Edit: Someone please make fan art of this

[@WitkowskisFishingSickness]

Amazing comparison! I love dragonball! I love to WAFFLE STOMP my poo down the shower drain also. But fo real tho I love dB

[@iNC0GNEGRO]

ONG!

[@heyoitscheo2680]

@@WitkowskisFishingSickness You forgot to add a BatChest to this comment

[@PocketDong]

He even has the blue hair

[@rofl_waffl]

@@PocketDong And Sneako with the Frieza shaped dome 💀💀

[@tegz692]

A man calling himself a "High value man" is the equivalent of a woman calling herself a "10"

[@aleksandartasic1824]

women can be a 10 if they are a virgin who was raised to be a wife and mother

[@jaderherrera9933]

Finding a 10 is like finding a unicorn. Good luck 🍀

[@anjaxtv]

Ouuuf good point!!

[@anjaxtv]

Ouuuf good point!!

[@anjaxtv]

​finding a high value man is like finding a unicorn

[@hippipdip]

We’ve reached “A high value man is someone who identifies as high value.” 😂

[@Kareem-cx4fi]

LMAO! Facts!

[@iurivanastacio3081]

Lol

[@bizznick444joe7]

That's dumb. A high value man is someone who represents something above others. I think they are confused with an alpha male. Alpha males can be poor and living in the woods for all we know but alpha male is a mindset not a position in society.

[@thepattinator1]

It's the same energy as, "I'm a 10 because I feel like it!" 😂😂

[@nomoresunforever3695]

Lmao😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@brandonolsen579]

Rolo: "I can't define what a high value man is." Also Rolo: "Ben Shapiro, Elon Musk, and Jeff Bezos are definitely not high value men."

[@skylerthompson4344]

exactly its term that can mean whatever you want it to mean, whenever you want it to mean it

[@dalnim4294]

@@skylerthompson4344 "What is a woman?"

[@JarrekAsF]

My problem is that he seems to be under the impression that high value men are influential and rich, and focus on their business and that’s it, but all three of those examples encapsulate that perfectly and they somehow aren’t his definition of a high value man? There is a clear incongruity or he just doesn’t actually believe any of it and says it solely because “high value man” gets the manosphere buzzed

[@Loengrinn]

Typical buzzword garbage. It's necessary for it to be ill-defined because then you can choose when it does or doesn't apply. Hasan, Vaush, Destiny, even Noah Samsen are high value men by the terms red pillers lay out, but they can't admit those guys are or it undermines their schtick.

[@bettalivin]

@@skylerthompson4344these men are very successful according to “their terms” 🤣

[@regarded9702]

When he accidentally made the "a woman is someone who identifies as a woman," argument for what a high value man is I almost lost it.

[@ZIbroweed]

Sadly this is what happens when people give way too much attention to someone with middling ideas and middling intellect. They get used to bullying people into silence because they have a chorus who will back them up and they never learn to defend their ideas. Eventually they only know how to call those who disagree with them some version of a heretic who doesn't have the divine wisdom. This is what Rollo's insults early in the conversation amounted to and his continued insistence that they just didn't get it. Of course they didn't get it. His belief is religious rather than rational just like the leftist ideas are about womanhood, and they aren't part of the religion.

[@jimjam4082]

I half expected Matt Walsh to jump out and ask if we know what a circular definition is.

[@billywashere6965]

I'm shocked neither Sneako nor Destiny called him out for begging the question as a fallacy.

[@Capulet266]

Exactly, Thank you!! 🤣🤣🤣

[@Anani69]

The only reason why a guy should listen to what other dudes define as “high value” is if they want to impress/date dudes.

[@PuffnStuff117]

High value men aren’t listening to the Fresh and Fit podcast

[@Bro-dot-]

Nah we do, it’s entertaining man. I watch for RP dudes exposing themselves as frauds.

[@darthrain5895]

They might watch to laugh at them, but not to actually listen or take them seriously.

[@howdareyou41]

or any podcast really haha

[@karabomothupi9759]

You are not high value though. So you are proving his point ​@@Bro-dot-

[@Bro-dot-]

@@karabomothupi9759 lol what makes you say that? Actually my bad maybe you just know better.

[@xKarma_411]

You can tell Fresh felt stupid afterwards for confidently thinking that Rollo was going to come in and steam roll the debate 😭

[@Randomperson11121]

Doesn’t bro feel stupid on a daily?😂

[@falseprophet1024]

How can you tell?

[@SIGSEGV1337]

Rollo fell off HARD

[@rightsidetv4235]

Fresh it’s too slow to know what’s even going on half the time

[@mugojr4766]

​@RightSideTV bro😂, you're a hater, but you made my day

[@doublestarships646]

Sneako look at how much POWER you have over these dudes when you have an actual sense of reason and intelligence when you team up with Destiny. Look at how the old man crumbles at just ONE QUESTION.

[@tiktokasylum5186]

Sneako never shies away from his position even if his Wrong

[@IAmAllEyes]

WTF is up with Sneako? Is he a troll

[@Random-qi3vv]

@@IAmAllEyes no hes an actually smart guy who did dumb shit and experienced dumb shit to ride the algorythm. Now after Charlie, Muta,Hamza and the rest of the internet clowned on him he travelled the world ,and is a lot calmer. I think he trying to change for the better. Hes still younger than 25 so hes got time

[@RAHHHRAHHH-en8md]

@@tiktokasylum5186 frrr

[@declanm2783]

It feels like a hostile takeover 💀

[@schmoop3660]

Rollo has the unique ability to say a lot of words without saying anything

[@andrewesau51]

Honestly. Like what the hell. I don't think he actually made a single actual point in the entire fucking clip. Just kept repeating the same vague phrases over and over and getting unreasonably angry for no reason.

[@ZIbroweed]

So unique that he shares it with a quarter of the internet 😂

[@CheapGodiva]

It's a fundamental talent of all pseudo-intellects.

[@sevensages5279]

Like most bull 💩artists.

[@ivancleveland6393]

He’s like the red pill jordan Peterson

[@shoman3927]

1. Sterilize yourself 2. Lift to look good 3. Surround yourself with other men like you. 4. Get a bunch of uniforms. 5. IT'S FUN TO STAY AT THE Y.M.C.A!

[@newayschile1135]

I dont know why but this is sending me over the moon rn 😭

[@jamesgreenwood837]

DEAD @@newayschile1135

[@generaljackripper666]

The Young Men's Christian Association has spent almost two hundred years helping to take care of children in need, housing otherwise homeless working men, and being a beacon of support for local communities through charitable acts and advocacy. They advocate a lifestyle of maintaining a healthy mind by building a healthy body, and that's why they freely offer fitness classes and equipment at their facilities. I just wanted you to know that. Most people only know of the disco song and don't understand the subject that inspired it.

[@shoman3927]

@@generaljackripper666 I fully support any charitable organization, even if it's religious, makes up a tiny bit for the indoctrination of children from an early age before their mental defenses are in place. I have a strong dislike for religion because I am autistic and it was not long ago I would've been exorcised for my symptoms, which was apparently fully allowed by most gods worldwide. I'm not American so you are right in that I'm ignorant of what the YMCA is (only the song made it over here), I was simply just making a joke based on my autistic pattern recognition, trying to lighten up peoples day a tiny bit. However I love learning so thank you for that information!

[@le_mythic]

​@@generaljackripper666 It also attracted alot of gay men

[@asdf852asdf]

Love when the rivals join forces to defeat a more evil threat

[@narutofan4545]

They're not even rivals

[@greasy8394]

Sneako has a good heart. Just misunderstood and needs to get his head back on his shoulder. Anyways I know this is gonna sound out of the ordinary but there's no such thing as "high value" because humans are a "slave race" and you don't need to be a conspiracy theorist on the illuminati or reptilians to know that.

[@Fembro]

It really do be Sonic Adventure 2

[@markstriker925]

Avengers level shit here.

[@cringemaxxing28]

@@Fembro 😂😂

[@Shad0wX002]

Destiny and Sneako permanently altering the redpill landscape in less than an hour. What a convo

[@thecontextual1one411]

Does anyone know if Sneako ever used to drink? It looks like he's going through what happens when you stop

[@investorhirsi7321]

@@thecontextual1one411lmao it’s a new arc idk if it’s a sobering one

[@tylercarter9965]

@@thecontextual1one411some kind of sobering, i think it was the charlie arc and the almost burned bridge of destiny that he finally took a retrospective. so i think he hit the bottom of the barrel in terms of popularity and so he’s finding out where he fucked up.

[@etmajin792]

@@tylercarter9965 it’s called getting canceled

[@dieauferstehung]

The whole ideology crumbles to just the question what is high value maN?

[@FutureDawn-m8z]

Bro this was fucking hilarious. 2 people who are sometimes at odds teaming up to beat up a confused grandpa. Myron trying to step in at times to clarify Rollo's argument because Rollo can't do it for himself. Sneako asking Myron if he actually agrees with some of the dumb shit Rollo was saying and Myron trying to avoid picking sides. Fresh just watching and laughing in amusement.

[@krchlap6587]

I was fcking crying shit was funny af

[@pencilshavings8518]

Watch out he gonna make another video begging aba to metaphoricaly punch him

[@tiktokasylum5186]

There’s so much Myron can save bro..

[@Kuroganemk2]

Leave grandpa alone, he has dementia

[@Macintoshhh]

Destiny will make videos but won’t reply back to any.

[@8bitnation419]

Rollo is so illogical it’s unbelievable. He’s living in dream world. He should admit that he messed up real bad. F&F are riding him real hard whilst the irrational male continues to get ripped apart.

[@daver1161]

Myron was being a big objective. Fresh was being a yes man and came off like a dummy with his incoherent rambling.

[@awsambdaman]

If you ever listen to his channel it’s kinda conspiracy like. He has these elaborate theories about women and different types of women that can really only be describe as theory crafting. He just concocts these elaborate theories which in some senses can be logical but have no basis in reality.

[@bruce0816]

The fact that Rollo can balance on a fence for almost an hour is absolutely amazing for someone his age

[@matrebour220]

I genuinely have never seen someone dodge a question for this long. Would consider it impressive if he weren't so stupid

[@lgibs666]

Our politicians can and they’re much older … jus sayin’😅

[@Rude_Boi]

Joe Biden has been balancing on a fence for 180 years.

[@hallo-mt5tx]

rollo came off as one of the people they interviewed for the "what is a woman" documentary

[@nathanrain796]

i like how progressive the RP Godfather is, "a high value man is whatever makes him contextually high value" almost as good as "a woman is someone who identifies as being a woman" 10/10

[@kattodoggo3868]

That makes sense. Because you can't give short answer to woman and high value.

[@malluk3065]

@@kattodoggo3868 Adult human female.

[@frankiew1202]

facts

[@DjangoMMA]

Not at all… if you’re a man in Africa and all you’ve seen is African girls with long necks and 5 inch lip rings, you’d think one of them is a 10. Now bring that same dude to Miami, he’s going to think a 3 is a 10. It’s about context. You can kinda see this, when when going from high school to college. Girls I grew up with I used to be obsessed with were mid as fuck I didn’t realize it until I seen badder girls. A high value man in America is different than a high value man in Dubai or India. It’s about context. A girl can be a 5 in Miami but a 8 in Wisconsin that’s just a fact

[@Earthad23]

A high value man is a man who has been able to competently navigate the social landscape and has positioned himself in a functional hierarchy.

[@amphibianenthusiast1887]

F&F realizing they've dug themselves into a hole by mindlessly defending Rollo is so funny. Look at their faces when SNEAKO asks them if they're listening to what Rollo says

[@manase5821]

F&F have same degenerate mindset

[@ookalar665]

@@paarker who's the rapist they couldn't call out?

[@averagejoe225]

45:10 "You disagree with the Grandmaster?" "The Godfather?" "The Great Great Grandaddy?" "The Grand Wizard of the Redpill?" Lmfao saying this shit to Myron's face had him in a spiral

[@avivastudios2311]

Almost sounds like a KKK leader. 😅

[@ronnasimmons8003]

He definitely spiraled 😂

[@YounGC1001]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@jsbaltimore3405]

I gained a lot of respect for Sneako here. He’s thinking for himself and making a lot of sense. He use to come off as someone trying to fit in with a particular group or another. Sneako has grown a lot and it being more calculated

[@aldendiaz1165]

He's a 🐍. Someone like him cannot be trusted in any group.

[@quantumresonance8201]

He is Muslim now.

[@jsbaltimore3405]

@@quantumresonance8201 yeah, I know. I can tell he’s taking it very seriously and learning a lot from it. I think it’s amazing.

[@ethanuel444]

let him sneak!!!

[@tylerdurden3722]

He's trying to fit in with Muslims now. Because of the fact that Islam allows polygamy. Religions have had a long time to figure certain stuff out, and brainwash people accordingly. Islam comes with a lot of already brainwashed women more ready accepting for a polygamous life.

[@SauceBause]

Destiny and Sneako are the duo we didnt know we needed. Absolutely lethal.

[@CEWIII9873]

Shocking, indeed. As shocking as President Sunday + Destiny?

[@charlesmartin_thenegotiator]

Shockingly Satisfying

[@abeldnite]

The destroyed him VERY easily. Literally no diff

[@coimbralaw]

Needed? 😂wtf

[@e1dsd720]

@@coimbralaw Absolutely LETHAL and NEEDED and ASTONISHING

[@throwawayanon]

Fresh&Fit and Rollo are the ironic examples of what happens when men think about women too much.

[@jjQlLlLq]

For real for real. Pretty much a lifestyle shaped around pleasing women while shitting on women. Becoming a "high value man" who have a thousand experiences of sleeping with girls and grinding money to get the ideal woman… Who is likely either A) Won't even like a man who has slept with so many girls and like to shit on women, or B) A woman who is exactly the kinda shitty women they love to describe; the gold diggers who don't mind you being a wild asshole who sleep with many women but may cheat on you & steal your money. The prophecy self-fulfills and the vicious RP cycle continues…

[@Freeeeeeeee27]

yeah, but when it comes to fnf, they are living in delusion. They associate the kind of women in Miami and the type of yacht boys to be the only type of people out there. Men automatically wanting to cheat if they can is total bs. They think men are animals who have no agency.

[@Wonderwoman79G]

💯

[@Chuck_EL]

​@@Wonderwoman79G nice seeing you here sister.....arent you loving the redpill demise as me😂😂😂

[@deldemetri911]

A bunch of loser nerds when they were younger in school and grew up and got a little bit of money and attention.

[@charlesjung2790]

Rollo is a big talker. That's the extent of his existence. A 55 year old insulting young men for calling him out on his unsubstantiated bullshit doesn't look good.

[@chrismills7703]

I love how he says repeatedly “you two don’t belong in this space” like the red pill space is some prestigious institution and not just a bunch of insecure dudes with podcasts

[@catswork]

on god

[@Max4Z]

The redpill used to make some decent points before now it’s just a whole ass circus 🎪 lol

[@CEWIII9873]

@@Max4Z every movement - no matter how well-intentioned, almost always devolves into grifting...

[@Max4Z]

@@CEWIII9873 agreed yea, I could see that

[@nickchivers9029]

​@@CEWIII9873 For real i remember coming accross red pill stuff like 10 years ago and it was mainly men talking about being shafted in family courts and male suicide, with a fair bit of bashing online feminism. Now look at them all clutching their pearls at the faintest hint of criticism, droning on about body counts god its so pathetic.

[@kennythawsh]

“I can’t cook. I can’t clean. I can’t keep the house in order. I work 60 hours a week. I can’t go grocery shopping. Im also neutered. I’m a high value man”. These people are fucking wild bro. High value? Nah high maintenance

[@annegiii3446]

💀💀😭

[@allhailthegreatmother7342]

Oh shit 😂😂😂😂😂

[@johnarbuckle2619]

+

[@goldentrophy7858]

I'm saying lol

[@_CitizenRick_]

You just won.

[@autumneagle]

I'm really liking this arc for Sneako. Not just because he's saying things I generally agree with but because of HOW he is arguing his points. Old Sneako would make a wild claim, point to a vague assertion then call you a Bot for not agreeing with him. New Sneako is asking challenging questions, holding people to their own statements and really just impressing me with his demeanor.

[@frankiew1202]

well obviously, natural progression for someone young to learn more and continue to grow. I'm the same age as him, and I see hear new things debate people more it really helps sharpen your knowledge, and ideas. It also helps with checking the logic of your argument as long as you have pure intentions.

[@youmanyousef]

its not "new" sneako its sneako reloaded lol. he was this introspective before his livestreaming phase, if not more

[@mAAfia__]

This is more of a return to form for sneako he just got out of his redpill phase His old KZbin vids were a great example of this

[@simonfarre4907]

@@frankiew1202 Or, hear me out, he has mental issues. The episode has subsided and some of the reactionary tendencies has toned down substantially. To think that the Tate brothers being gone for a few months, can do so much for a person, goes to show how unwell so many people who are terminally online (without using it for work) are.

[@hamsi7228]

@@simonfarre4907 or hear me out you have mental issues, jeez touch grass lil bro

[@jjms7167]

This combo is deadly. Sneako provides the burns and the funny responses to the obvious, and then Destiny is the smart soccer mom that backs her kid up no matter what.

[@RDA8191]

Destiny is not smart 😅

[@ibraahimdureng7482]

@@RDA8191 Smarter than Sneako that’s for sure

[@scottmccoy432]

@@RDA8191 destiny looks like einstein compared to everyone at this table. fresh and fat even make sneako look reasonable

[@SavvyJayy]

@@RDA8191tell me where he shows stupidity?

[@sw4ppy544]

if Destiny is not smart than explain what he was wrong about

[@barryhill2836]

It's tear jerking seeing Sneako finally pass puberty and become a man in his own right.

[@ll2323]

He’s on the craziest rollercoaster 🎢 and I’m not sure if I like him again or should just ride this out 😂

[@jijijijijiji44]

​@@ll2323 Sneako has always been solid, he just got caught up in some ideas like we all do Sometimes, but harder as the Internet kept pressing him about it.

[@suspendedtwice4sayingrasis261]

Battle for Sneako’s soul rages on and, boys and girls, I think we might even win this one! ☺️😢

[@ll2323]

@@jijijijijiji44 yea I just really was introduced to him through destiny so I don’t know him from before. I’m still holding out though to see how this plays out 😂

[@x0x0skiller2]

He changed opinions like clothes. This will be short lived sadly.

[@godyamit]

Rollo trying to threaten them by saying debate me in person while his voice is shaking from malding so much is fucking hilarious

[@KKarama1]

Pretty sure Milo thought the same way and we all know how that turned out

[@devinplayseverything3764]

you can see his heart rate pulsing in his neck

[@michaelleesinfah892]

it's like "fight me bro!" energy right there

[@seby171]

MALDING FROM THE DISRESPECT, BELITTLING AND SARCASM BECAUSE THEIR ARE NOT HEARING HIS POINT LIKE LITTLE BITC HES.

[@Ice01856]

@@seby171 what’s a high value man?

[@BlackBriar0204]

I had no idea Fresh was even capable of forming sentences…good for him.

[@erikryan8663]

He’s a little confused but he’s got the right idea

[@ayamehachimitsu]

Far as I know he had a really bad speech impediment, probably went to a speech coach

[@thegrinderman1090]

It's a good start. The next step is for the sentences to have any meaning.

[@s0ne01]

​@Ayame Hachi didn't know that, good for him if it's true.

[@tas9098]

Bro is literally a goblin

[@D_S_T]

This shit never gets old lmao. I come back and rewatch like once a month

[@awestavalentina4454]

Me2 😂

[@youmakemelolz]

Literal gold mad I missed it live

[@rooksman64]

same

[@markiej211]

Rolo was so mad, and fresh is literally brain dead. Found this both hilarious and infuriating. Rolo and F&F were trying to gaslight but the truth is Rolo had no definition of a high value man

[@DropdashGaming]

They are not steps, rollo says stuff like this all the time... People who think he’s telling people to get a vasectomy clearly don’t watch rollo or know anything about him.

[@dinos9607]

Because there is no global definition of a high value man, it is extremely relative. Your definition of a high value man is closer to a street beggar than the definition of a high value man that billionaires, international organisations' CEOs, top bankers and dictators have. Even if you claim that we should take the definition of what a high value man is e.g. in the USA which roughly (but not exactly) would be accepted in the western style societies, that is most certainly not the definition of a high value man in non-western societies. In war-torn Afghanistan the definition of a high value man entails leadership over a sizeable group of fighters with enough firepower to control and protect a decently sized town. By that definition Ben Shapiro and even Elon Musk would not be considered high value men there in spite of their fortunes. What Destiny and Sneako do not understand is the fact that the term "high value man" is like the terms "alpha/beta", i.e. these are theoretical labels to convey certain behavioural aspects of within the range of male behavioural patterns. As such it would need a whole analysis that would not fit the time frame of a short few seconds answer that Destiny and Sneako would demand. Rollo was right in not playing along with their demand even more so when he was actually replying and being interrupted to be questioned by Destiny on.... word definitions such as "what is wearing down", definitions that everyone understands. Imagine talking about the economical situation in USA and having Destiny asking you "so how you define what is an economy". You can't have a dialogue on that basis.

[@johnmortslleh2929]

He does, but he know's they will tear him to shreds so he can't say it.

[@John-yq9qx]

@@dinos9607when you outline 8 steps to get to point x, you have to define what point x is, otherwise the 8 steps are meaningless. Where are the steps supposed to get you if it's undefined? There would be no point to writing a list.

[@EquusMulus]

He has his own definition but destiny was right because if he defines it he will get murdered on social media by other people even in his own circle, which is why he's dancing HAAAAAAARD.

[@davidoj134]

Rollo: WRITES 30 BOOKS ON HOW TO BECOME A HIGH VALUE MAN! also Rollo: „I can’t define who a high value man is because everybody defines it differently“ Rollo 30 seconds later: „Ben Shapiro is not a high value man“ Make it make sense. He is using the same leftist argument on the question „what is a woman“ „a woman is everyone who identifies as a woman“ That’s called a circular argument buddy.

[@Cloud420l]

Faacts

[@fabzals388]

Can there be two definitions of woman? I believe so. One: A woman is a human with XX chromosomes. Two: a woman is social construct of a human with female appearances or characteristics. If we accept this two definitions. Is the debate over? Both sides can be right to a certain extent. What happens when in the future you can not distinguish beetween a person and a trans person due to science advances in plastic surgery, body editing an genes editing. If you cant distinguish beetween a "real" woman and a trans woman. are you really be whining about the use of the word woman and about how someone is more pure than others. Are you really going to wait until you get advanced tests until you can call someone a "woman". I rather just take it upon their word and what my eyes can see. It remains me of the people getting mad about the word marriage when debating same sex marriage. Just get over it. Society changes, as do words.

[@sarahrobertson634]

@@fabzals388 Society is not the be all end all. Civilization is temporary at best, and will collapse soon enough, and we will return to nature. Mother Nature rules us all, and tech can't change that. Social advances can't either. One big volcanic eruption, and we are back to the ice age as the ash cloud blots out the sun. Bye bye, civilization.

[@natedadank4870]

I can help you understand. He never said he COULDN'T define a high value man, he said he has a definition but it was irrelevant to the tweet. He said this many times. You can advocate for others becoming their best selves, doesn't mean "their best selves" must align with your goals.

[@xEnder515]

A woman is a person that has feminine features and prefer to be identified as such: a woman. Easy leftist definition for you.

[@lokeshreddy9591]

high value man 1. family 2. raise kids to be independent and succesful 3. be a role model to your kid. thats the best a man could do in his life.

[@العقيدمعمرالقذافي-ح4ف]

actual high value man : does what he wants and doesnt let society shape his life (not necessary to make a family or be with a woman) does not let replaceable things or words bother him does the right thing and does not become corrupt with power does not sacrifice his dignity for money and poonani does not ridicule or exploit the weak, and the stupid, instead he helps them is ready to die for the honor of his family and loved ones

[@therainman7777]

@@العقيدمعمرالقذافي-ح4فAgreed

[@npaaron4157]

Both great viewpoints!

[@mypillowguy445]

High value man: It depends who is appraising him.

[@blackcephie1800]

@@العقيدمعمرالقذافي-ح4ف This part.

[@annnito1]

A high value man is, among other things, a man who doesn't watch people like these, nor their shows, who doesn't talk about high value anything cause he's busy having meaningful interests, meaningful conversations and occupations.

[@TheUcHiHaMaD]

This is good to listen to for laughs while driving though.

[@inebrihated13]

True. I don't take any of this seriously, but it's funny.

[@micahbinns2740]

Yeah as long as you have inner value and do with your life what you want or have a consistent goal that is way better than caring about how someone in society who doesn't know you feel.

[@SleepyE_xx]

I like to play piano and draw :3

[@royalcommoner3873]

Sneako really took the whole "if you strike me down now, i will become more powerful than you could ever imagine " to the next level. 2 months ago he was a laughing stock, now hes exposing the same atmosphere that lead him down that path. Absolutely inspiring Edit: stop arguing in the comments lol I'm just happy Sneako seems to have grown from the whole thing.

[@ashleyalexander7388]

I think he'ds just asking questions... lol

[@torocat4911]

@@ashleyalexander7388 asking questions is the first step to finding answers though. it means he’s actually thinking

[@foraminutethere23]

He's still a laughing stock

[@LamarAlreadyTaken]

@@foraminutethere23 idk about you but I’m definitely taking him more serious. Before he was somewhat delusional, near unhinged with his behavior, and his beliefs were standing on a weak foundation that if poked even a little he’d go berserk. Now he stands true to his beliefs, listens more, asks great questions, and pushes back more on people he doesn’t agree with in a respectful manner. It’s like watch a teen mindset grow into an adult mindset over the span of a few months.

[@foraminutethere23]

@@LamarAlreadyTaken His views change so much because he's doing what he thinks will get him views or keep him popular. Like he's not going to get those RP/manosphere views anymore because people will keep calling him a cck and mock him for that. So he's moving on into the next thing/group he can latch onto Like you don't really know what he truly thinks and feels but he's convinced you of that.

[@jacobvanderende5794]

I'm not even a Destiny fan (I disagree with probably 90% of his politics) and I disagree fundamentally with most of what sneako has said, but I absolutely love this combo. They're being logically consistent, advocating for men to do more than make fuckloads of money and have sex with hundreds of women, and calling out 3 guys that are being 100% hypocritical. Here's to the fall of the manosphere and the rise of good, moral, hardworking, family oriented men and women.

[@auroralucrezia8187]

Pin this comment destiny

[@vinceee_r]

We will never see the rise of good hard working, family oriented men and women as long as both extreme sides like modern feminism and redpills arent done away with. As long as one lives, we will never achieve that. I dont see your last sentence happening in the near future

[@jacobvanderende5794]

@@vinceee_r I do not disagree, but I sure can hope

[@dianavarona7144]

Thisss!!!!

[@crystaloats8177]

Yup. ❤

[@thegrinderman1090]

The most embarrassing part of this was not Rollo being unable to make any point or own any position, but was Fresh and Fit defending him to the death. That looked really bad on their part and surely will have lost them fans. They sounded insane.

[@raz0rcarich99]

@Therethere OMG, ok, so to me, being a high value man is being a woman, a.k.a. Destiny.

[@thegrinderman1090]

@Therethere And nobody ever even addressed how if 'high value man' is to be given your own definition, the 8 steps he provides to get there fastest remain the same. So if your own idea of 'high value' involves having children in your 30s, you should still get a vasectomy in your 20s???

[@zirkereuler5242]

@@thegrinderman1090 destiny did make that point, they answered "if that's your definition of a high value man then great" and "the points on the list are not advice". I agree it's just a dumb position to die on, if your definition of high value man is subjective then the points on the list aren't facts as to how you can get to it the fastest it's just pointless words enumerated.

[@simplyyv]

@Therethere BRO THEY FOLDED😂😂, and Sneako was spot on they would have clowned girls for taking that exact take

[@thomasdesmond6020]

​@Therethere 😊

[@svyatoslavaistov5840]

Redpillers are so massively insecure, it is almost comical, but actually is really sad. Rollo is the saddest case

[@Master-Key-To-Success]

Rollo lost the debate when he said "Fresh is the voice of reason" 😂

[@Master-Key-To-Success]

Sneako destroyed Rollo. Sneako was the rational male and Rolla was a 7 years old girl in this conversation. How can you take something serious what this "little girl" is saying? Rollo lost all of his credibility.

[@Hakar17]

​@@Master-Key-To-SuccessThe worst thing is that Sneako can't even debate really. It's just that the position of "literally neuter yourself" is so absurd that it can't be defended. Oh and Rollo is possibly the worst debater I've ever seen.

[@jafoot7559]

I’m agreeing with your comment more and more these days. Underneath all of Fresh and Fit bravado they really want to just f*ck every girl they want. They wrap it up in high falutin psycho babble and flash sets

[@midulfinger1478]

Now we know why Rollo avoided to debate Destiny at all costs

[@APOC_USMC]

They just debated for 4 hours . Rollo kmows his shit.

[@NotTheOnlyMattAround]

@@APOC_USMC Just going off of this debate, shit's about all he knows.

[@pjgabbagoo7715]

@@NotTheOnlyMattAround😂 good one

[@bowlofcinder482]

@@theprospect5888 of course he didn’t 😂

[@denisthompson6221]

Debated both sneaky & bluebell on f&f, sneaky slouched off with brain fatigue 1/4 way in, bluebell argued semantics, used exceptions to argue the age old rules of biology, survival, basic factors leading to the creation of civilizations from the cave man onwards

[@asko67_beats]

Seeing Destiny and Sneako join forces like this is the most wholesome thing I've seen in a long time.

[@wespicedmemes]

I had a smile so wide across my face watching this yesterday

[@pannkeki8940]

​@@crownsubject Yeah he was just trying to avoid burning the bridge with Rollo which makes no sense since they are way more successful than him.

[@fabianheaslip]

for real, could make a netflix show off it lmao

[@Yaeven]

Ok Redditor..

[@PixelPenguin77]

They both got douchenozzled hard tho.

[@patrickmaybe2197]

Destiny and Sneako teaming up is always a blast to watch

[@SpadeApeiron]

So the Whole Fresh & Fit ppl Bow to this GrandLord GodDad ?

[@chadpole3163]

Right??!

[@milesfargo5714]

@@TubeWusel I never heard of this dude but i definitely won't listen to a thing he has to say now 🤣

[@torjusbokestad2033]

When do they team up?

[@PauIdenino]

For real 🤣

[@abriellebiggs2408]

protect Destiny at all costs ,he’s the best person ive seen on this podcast . unapologetically speaking them facts and im here for it. he hilarious too ,they absolutely roasted dude 😂😂

[@flyboy5089]

“A high value man is anyone who identifies as a high value man” - The Redpill Godfather

[@ericthegreat7805]

Rollo went full postmodernist

[@ihanakaunotar2741]

God it’s literally the feminist and trans movement now 😂😂😂

[@Autism_Obama]

So A homeless can be a High Value Men according to Rollo 😂😂

[@pwnsnubs]

What is a woman?

[@wisemage0]

What is a man?

[@brandonwhite562]

Fresh: "Destiny and Sneako do you think you'd be where you are if you had a child young?" *Destiny chuckling before scoring the biggest dunk on Fresh* Sneako: "ACTUALLY DESTINY DID HAVE A KID YOUNG!"

[@Killerkiki313]

Fresh was so embarrassed 🙈

[@ImJustJordan215]

Timestamp?

[@solaireastora5394]

​@@ImJustJordan215 watch the first 10 mins

[@ImJustJordan215]

@@solaireastora5394 thanks 🙏🏾 6:35

[@dieauferstehung]

coconuts in barbados

[@lukrecja2102]

Rollo is disaster It's nice to see Sneako so mature. Him and Destiny is what we need

[@MadAtMax.300Blackout]

1month ago he was waving guns around on camera. He's not mature. He's a snake and he's a cloutwhore. He lost a lot of clout riding people like rollos balls so now he's jumping fence while still idolozing daddy Tate in the background. Snako is a fake dweeb. Regardless of making one or two common sense points.

[@qwertyasdfgh1014]

@Benjamin Watson It is in the sub-part with the women that he takes the number of a French woman, and he advocates that one should not go from one woman to another, but just focus on the family. He talks one thing and does another. it is not traditional but sells the story while smashing as much as possible 304.

[@hurkamur1]

Flawless victory. 18:00

[@sebastianrubio928]

Sneako Mature? Yeah, no, didn't see a single adult in this conversation. Sneako has got quite the history and his epic story will continue, no doubt. Sneako is about as reliable as the weather forecast.

[@neilis2405]

@@sebastianrubio928 Sneako has matured a bit. I'm not sure if he will continue to improve or if this is just a random diversion, but the reality is almost everyone is an idiot in their early 20's and life eventually brings wisdom. Sneako was just annoying early on because he was such a confident idiot.

[@flawedobserver4057]

Thats crazy that a grown ass man can't just acknowledge that he messed up on some wording. He would have looked so much better just admitting he mistyped or had a bad idea..

[@darklucas0721]

Watching the "Godfather of the Manosphere" struggle to answer a basic definition for 10 minutes like a progressive in a Steven Crowder documentary only for Myron to instantly define it to try and cut the tension was peak comedy

[@ThomasFoolery8]

That was pretty cringe ngl. I’m a fan of Rollo’s books too.

[@D34dH053]

The grandpappy, granfather, grampa, grand wizard, gandolf, dumbledorf of the manosphere.....thank goodness it wasnt the high value manosphere, we'd still be laughing at him trying to explain it

[@GSP-76]

​@@ThomasFoolery8lol, you're an id10t then.

[@John-mf1sz]

Ole Myron Gains 😂😂😂

[@Behonkcé]

Its ridiculous by this point with dumb ideologies, no wonder they call this idiot rollo.

[@fairwarning007]

Pretty sure a high-value man isn’t someone who resorts to calling others “douche-nozzles” when losing a debate.

[@svaucyi]

give the fossil a break hes new to this

[@jonathanc9496]

douche nozzles? How old are you bro?

[@AgentFulgoreBasedDepartment]

@@svaucyi i think it's the opposite - he's so entrenched in this red pill shit online he can't handle being questioned from outside of it from anyone reasonable. his entire argument crumbles under the barest of scrutiny lol.

[@devonwilliams2423]

nah bro that insults going to get me laid, im takin notes here and going to be drowning in uzzy

[@ivans3483]

@@treesoul00 this guy couldn’t even answer a basic question lmao. Even if the definition of a high value man varies by person/culture, they would still share underlying aspects and features. This geezer couldn’t give shit but somehow has a list of ways to get to that point. How the fuck do you know when you are a high value man when you don’t even know what the end point looks like lol.

[@willkraus5283]

for over 10 years rollo has been spewing hateful nonsense and to see him get absolutely fucking bodied like this was so gratifying. he was about to cry at the end

[@realchasebased]

Rolo literally spewing all that bs because hes an angry bitter old man who has accepted he will die alone and regrets not having children so he projects that on to vulnerable young men who look up to him . Scummy dude

[@Max4Z]

Bro is 53 yrs old still believing this shit It’s embarrassing grown ass man fr 😂

[@SMGLA364]

rollo is emotionally unstable

[@riverjustice]

He made the worst take in public, but it's only because his business is dying.

[@CEWIII9873]

@@riverjustice agreed - he is attempting to remain relevant...by not making any changes?

[@shaka5]

This man is the Godfather of not answering what a High Value Man is 😂

[@Richard-tg2lb]

this was brutal. I almost feel bad for the grand wizard

[@cryxbaby2250]

I did too until he threw that low blow at destiny about Melina. Then I was like you know what. Cry.

[@hueban1643]

@@cryxbaby2250 it was about pharah i think actually but yeah

[@RugerBxndz]

"The grand wizard" 🤣🤣🤣

[@PixelPenguin77]

I don't get it. Why couldn't he just say "A high value man is a man chicks want to get in bed with." Isn't that the whole point of redpill stuff?

[@notandyvee]

@@PixelPenguin77 that’s what people in the redpill have turned it into. Rollo is trying to capitalize on what fresh & fat are doing. In reality redpill is just the awakening of how the world works vs what we’ve been told in relation to women and men. It’s been warped.

[@Elliebellebama]

As a traditional, Christian "right wing" woman, It's wild that Destiny makes more sense on this topic than any of these lame red pillers lol Also, impressed with Sneako, he has come a long way.

[@neileapenninan384]

I gotta ask, have you followed sneako's story? Follow up: If you have, would you marry the dude he's turning into. Not him right now but the way his mind is changing live on the internet?

[@IAmCourtneyMichelle]

@@neileapenninan384 the man he is now!!!

[@Freya1412]

​@@neileapenninan384 you didn't ask me but I hope you don't mind if I insert my answer. I'm a traditional Christian woman, happily married with kids. I think if Sneako stays on the path he's on, becomes a man with values and beliefs he takes from religious scripture and applies it to his life, he can marry a woman of similar faith with the same values. It's not always an easy path, it's a lot of sacrifice of instant gratification which is a huge temptation in this day and age so we'll see if Sneako sticks to this path. There are lots of traditional religious women out there but they definitely won't settle for guys like Myron or what Sneako was. Guys like that are walking red flags. Especially with those high body counts.

[@raez9424]

Uh idk about that

[@Elliebellebama]

@@neileapenninan384 He is far better now than he was even a few months ago, I see him maturing and getting some depth as a human being, I appreciate him more when he focuses less on being a player and materialism and more on having integrity, morals and having core values and wanting a family.

[@Empyrealite]

This was the most entertaining video I've seen in a long time. Destiny and Sneako are absolutely DEADLY when they're on the same team.

[@jeanlouis1898]

This might be the greatest F&F episode of all time….having dudes with opposing views who can actually debate and articulate an argument is FARRRR more entertaining then having stupid chicks who can’t put a sentence together on the show over and over…bcuz a lot of these Red Pill ideas are easy to debunk but the guests are never smart enough to challenge Myron…..Destiny and Sneako together is pure gold

[@r0ckworthy]

I've never seen anyone get destroyed on the internet harder than I just watched Rollo Tomasi get destroyed.

[@RDA8191]

Humiliating

[@SavagePrisonerSP]

"Here's the fastest way to become a good engineer" "what's an engineer?" "Idk that's different for everybody" The basis of his argument. 😆

[@mareklame8589]

you can be computer engineer, construction engineer, electrical engineers etc. But there is an abstract framework, that works for any concrete engineer.

[@prachetasnayse9709]

@@mareklame8589 Nah dude, that abstract framework is bs, trust me I am indian and I would know. I got a cousin who graduated in Comp.Sci and another friend who did Mechanical. Very different fields. Any kind of " abstract framework " is akin to the bullshit life advice you see on youtube or read in books. Great to hear but practically serves no purpose.

[@natedadank4870]

Actually proved his point. "Here's the fastest way to become an engineer" "well what exactly do you define as an engineer?" "These steps work with whatever type of engineer someone wants to be. Whether the field it's electrical, mechanical, aerospace, or civil engineering". Simple to grasp when you don't have an ego.

[@mareklame8589]

@@prachetasnayse9709 no, I'm Polish and I know. There are steps: 1. Learning fundamentals. 2. Getting degree. 3. Staying healthy. 4. Having sharp mind. 5. Doing vasectomy. 6. Getting practical skills. 7. Finding good internship. 8. Finding mentyors & building network.

[@lukasmillet7255]

​@@prachetasnayse9709then you obviously don't know what engineer means

[@christopherwillson]

Getting on a mic and camera is the worst thing that Rollo Tomassi dude ever did. Just stay anonymous and mysterious like all those other dudes on Twitter and don't embarrass yourself.

[@royalcommoner3873]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@chzbrgr123]

I love that destiny is mostly just silently laughing at Rollo getting dumpstered by Sneako for the first 8 minutes of the debate

[@seby171]

IS THAT HOW YOU INTERPRET THAT. HE'S LAUGHING CAUSE HE'S A WEAK ASS MOFO WHO DIVERTS MOST ARGUMENTS JUST TO ARGUE LIKE A DELUSIONAL WOMAN WITH SOME LEVEL OF DEBATING SKILLS.

[@SpadeApeiron]

Coz I think destiny can't comprehend how much of a overhyped fuck up this Grandfather of Godman is XD ~ its like 1st time he's experiencing Disaster launch of Cyberpunk 2077 with over hype and barely working game.

[@scoot5342]

I will never call a guy named Rollo thats tiny, with long hair and glasses the "godfather" of anything. He defends the "manisphere" like its his child. Its an embarrassment that men have actually looked up to this small man. I pray he will find the correct path before his short time he has remaining has come to an end. Thanks Destiny

[@L_videogame]

I generally disagree with Rollo, but attacking his appearance hardly provides valuable criticism.

[@dr.anaB777]

​@@L_videogame these men run a cult pf personality. Their appearance does factor in to the persona that they have created to deceive people

[@somber8233]

Huge L of a comment. The fact you're talking about his appearance as if it has any bearing on what he's preaching, shows you have no idea how to debate or challenge someone intellectually. It doesn't matter if he's the world's strongest man or a pencil neck nerd. He preaches stupid crap and that's what is addressed period. I hope you don't vote based on this type of mindset.

[@Hakar17]

​@@L_videogameHis entire claim to fame is being an expert on being successful with women. As it turns out being physically attractive is part of being successful with women. Therefore in Rollo's case his physical appearance is absolutely relevant. Because being physically attractive is part of being successful with women. It isn't the only part but to pretend as if it's not relevant is disingenuous.

[@spencer.eccles]

Wow, Fresh can actually speak in full sentences and do back-and-forths with the guests, he's come a long way since I last tuned in

[@waj4ever16]

Agreed. Hats off to him for working on his speech. That’s very impressive.

[@J.C.3]

Rollo was ironically using the transgender argument …”I identify as a woman so I’m a woman”

[@GSP-76]

He hasn't come a long way...if he continues doing proper debates, then maybe. Outliers don't mean anything

[@modk8030]

​@@waj4ever16 now he needs to work on the content of his speech.

[@lightskinprivilege]

Seriously 😂 I said this from day one, before you tell anybody else to be great, stop buying chains and invest in a speech pathologist!

[@artbaillyab]

WTF happened to Sneako? He's making sense? Holy shit! He's actually growing. Much respect to the young man.

[@michaelh878]

Spending alone time in Asia is good for you.

[@MissAllWednesday]

@@michaelh878 Converting to Islam?

[@eli8444]

@Miss Wednesday ngl, that probably helped.

[@indianpe624]

Totally agree. A new side of him

[@bedrvzw3237]

@@MissAllWednesday Yeah he went to the mosque and realized that red pill shit is not always right

[@in_the_pines]

Destiny and Sneako seriously need their own podcast and have them just tag team debate people! This shit was gold tier content!!

[@in_the_pines]

@@fifiadan yeah, but I think they are also different enough to make the podcast interesting rather than if they had the exact same views. People want conversations not agreements.

[@in_the_pines]

Like a redpill concepts vs bluepill concepts and call it "The Matrix" (jk) but really I think that both sides could get something out of it.

[@SuperiorRobyn]

@@fifiadan they’ve been bonding long enough, I’m sure they can find plenty of ways where they team up and find reasons to roast the shit out of other people.

[@cornheadahh]

@@in_the_pines destiny has blue hair so that makes sense

[@18aplateindoors]

Might as well they all already smashing 3 ways with the wife

[@mariahmyrick-smith9277]

I don't understand what a High Value man is anymore. When I was young (20 some years ago) a high value man had these qualities: 1. Good work ethic. 2. Humility 3. Strong morals 4. Respectful and 5. Grateful Not sure when things got so fuct up but it's really sad for men and women.

[@jay.420]

Wrong. You’re not describing a high value man, you’re describing a moral man. Which definitely plays a part in being a high value man too in my definition, but it’s only a part of it. You gotta have money (resources), you gotta be capable of physical violence if needed (protection) you should be well spoken and understand the human psyche etc. etc.. Nobody is the perfect high value man, but some are definitely closer to being all that than others..

[@jay.420]

@@ibraahimdureng7482 I’m guessing what you really meant to say was „you can’t say what a high value man is if you’re not one yourself“. So I’ll ask you this; can you define what a murderer is without being a murderer yourself? That should answer your point. Doesn’t have to do anything with the conversation if I’m a high value man myself, but I’ll answer what you asked; no, by my own definition I’m not a high value man yet, even tho I have relatively many attributes of one, for being only 20.

[@jay.420]

@@ibraahimdureng7482 you didn’t „ask“ anything, you stated something. + why would you state something without wanting a response aka „start something“?

[@ibraahimdureng7482]

@@jay.420 Okay English isn’t my first language cut me some slack man.

[@jay.420]

@@ibraahimdureng7482 so? English isn’t my first language either

[@linkal6775]

There's no way Fresh actually said "you guys are so mean" lmfaooo.

[@JayD73]

That’s how you know Rollo got bodied 😭

[@MrWolfy08]

@@JayD73 Fresh from all people

[@joelercoaster]

He said that in pet voice too wtf😂😂😂

[@ihanakaunotar2741]

That’s literally what the girls in their podcasts have said 😂😂

[@melswaf]

Time stamp?

[@Villainz]

Ahh, the classic "protagonist and antagonist team up against a common enemy" Love to see it😂

[@Comp1337ish]

straight up, Sneako got that Vegeta energy

[@unknowndummy9387]

Gurren lagann moment

[@Equinoxsanity]

I am dead lmao 😂

[@MrAdamloring1985]

It’s like when the X-men and magneto team up

[@alswisha8519]

Anti hero

[@thekanthalkid4273]

The irony of this is while we have these Red Pill dudes debating "high value", how to get the best women, being successfull. There is 90% of the country just living their lives, having familys, working, and not trying to engineer success. This whole space is so fuckin cringe. This is coming from a white single guy who works in tech, and makes good money. I never want to live my life like this, I do enough engineering in my job, I don't want to engineer my relationships.

[@brianmoatlhodi8444]

🎯🎯🎯

[@LuisVaal]

Not trying to engineer success? I’m sorry but you are dumb af if you don’t want to improve your quality of life…

[@navehhall73]

Facts, as a married black woman with 3 kids who homeschooled and stayed home for my family, i this comment is golden. Millions of people know what matters most: family. Loved ones. If the end comes, they have those who treasure them most flying into town, travelling and sitting around their bedside as they pass... It's about taking the kids camping or watching their eyes light up during a family stroll down the street during Christmas time. It's about making a home cooked meal for the hubby and kids and saying our prayers before dinner. Yet these very very very wealthy men are arguing with each other about what has "high value" in life.

[@thecommonsensecapricorn]

This!!!!!! 👏👏👏👏👏

[@rebeccaj7164]

​@@navehhall73 So true. Having a high value life is having Jesus in it. So sad they have all this money but none of the actual treasures that make life worth living

[@IamHattman]

Rolo was just on here saying 'A high value man is someone who identifies as a high value man.' I feel like I've heard that arguement somewhere else before..

[@andreasrevilak8786]

Destiny and Sneako sitting quietly with the same body language and expression while this guy rages is absolutely meme worthy

[@lipokyanger7685]

Reminded me of The Good Doctor "I AM A SURGEON" meme. Same energy

[@VlogCreations]

I’m amazed at how incapable the man on the right is in making his point. It seems to be from his own uncertainty

[@juniorgibbons2917]

nope, even on topics he’s supposedly versed in, its the same

[@theangrycows]

Beans

[@ashe_xox]

never thought I'd be seeing ross on the political debate side of KZbin

[@Hames25]

@@ashe_xoxyo facts this is inception

[@Petscapades]

Love y’all’s stuff

[@pakichu700]

Imagine being in your 50s defending a dogwater tweet and getting called out by Sneako for being immature and emotional, and then still trying to tell others that they're the terminally online ones

[@frankiew1202]

actually insane

[@lasthope301]

All he had to do was admit it was a mistake. He’s dying on a hill for no reason. Sheesh

[@tylercarter9965]

he really tried to defend the insult “dooche schnozzles” as contemporary slang. bro will die on any hill he finds.

[@dieauferstehung]

This guy is so irrational his name is irony

[@wizzenberry]

@@lasthope301 i see admitting you were wrong with class an alpha move personally, being poised and admitting defeat is better than getting ran over for asinine things you said. hell even tate has admitted hese been wrong. what you have to do is minimalize the risk of your argument being flawed, something rolly seems to be awful at in my opinion

[@xTorqueShot]

I'm no destiny fan but destiny is definitely important because he is the only person I've seen who can debate redpill ideology with clear and concise arguments. I don't agree with most of his points but he is a god tier debater 💯✊🏾

[@Davis30b]

The writers have been building up sneakos anti hero arc for a while this was a nice pay off.

[@grizzlyadamblack]

Go outside

[@bigboy2217]

@@grizzlyadamblack Now what? I'm lost, what do I do now??

[@Ni-boo]

​@@grizzlyadamblack Oscar the grouch

[@ForeskinTim]

​@GrizzlyAdamBlack I went outside too where we go now

[@wilsonsanabia4259]

The aftershow episode was very cringe tho

[@Sprite_525]

43:55 *Rollo* : “he _wore this chick down..”_ *Destiny* : “what does that mean” *Rollo* : “what it means is.. he _wore her down_ , is what he did..” *Destiny* : “you seem to have a problem with this. You can’t explain ‘X’ by saying ‘well it’s X.’ .. What does it mean to _wear her down_ ?” *Rollo* : “what that means is, he was persistent, and he just kept _wearing her down_ over time” *Sneako* : “ 😆 bro that’s ridiculous, man” 49:22 *Destiny parodying Rollo* : “ 🥴 High value men are , just , like people that have high value... and are men. 🥴 “ Lmfao 🤣

[@ren.8137]

LMAOO

[@PolarizedxD]

Just so we are on the same page Destiny said that at 49 because he was pointing out how stupid it sounded and was the equivalent of a 300 pound women saying she’s a 10 because she thinks she is.

[@elmhurstenglish5938]

Classic case of a tautological argument.

[@Sprite_525]

@@PolarizedxD yes I had the earlier quotes to make it clear that the 49 quote was Destiny parodying Rollo’s “style of explaining” things by saying the same thing already like “wearing down means like, wearing down.” So Destiny joked, “cool so high value men is a high value person who’s like, a man. Got it”

[@PolarizedxD]

@@Sprite_525 I agree it is a parody I was making sure that context wasn’t lost and that this wasn’t posed as hypocrisy

[@yellowtitan6040]

This was a treat, Fresh and Fit squirming as Destiny and Sneako ripped apart this dude was hilarious. Everyone in the room knew he sounded wack but of course F&F couldn't admit it. Destiny was so right when he said if any girl made those "arguments" they would be laughed out the building. Also I guess a step by step list is somehow not advice LMAO

[@devonwilliams2423]

Apparently this godfather guy was like the messiah for fresh and fit before andrew tate came around, now that andrew tate hasn't been able to utilize his speaking skills to talk over any point they bring in their " best selling author " who literally just said for 30 minutes that even though he's written a book and given 10 step processes on out of become a high-value man He's never given advice and he doesn't know what I value man himself is LMAO By the way you're a douche nozzle

[@WNeutral456]

Red pill civil war arc went crazy

[@TheGardaffian]

The godfather is the perfect example of someone who has lived in an echo chamber since he doesnt even have an argument for the most basic of things... like30 minutes of him dodging "what is a high value man"? "you guys dont belong in this sphere" literally him admitting to only being able to exist in a echo chamber

[@Cloud420l]

Fresh and fit and the godfather a scam

[@kcthetitan]

He's an old man with 40K subscribers what's your excuse?

[@reneroux2391]

@@kcthetitan what is yours?

[@doms5755]

It reminds me of when destiny was asking that one crypto clown about what an NFT is

[@Kris-wo4pj]

​@@kcthetitan hahah he only has 40k and hes the og redpiller? Tate owns his ass.

[@ischmidt007]

Rollo refusing to define a HVM and then proceeding to call out certain men as not HVM is beyond me. He should have played the humility card but decided to steamroll himself instead.

[@thefieldtrippers3646]

Exactly. He can’t define what he built his whole career off.

[@scotchsour]

​@@paarker Don't bring or equate women into this conversation. There isn't one woman involved in this nonsense. This is an delusional old man trying to damn hard to prove no points.

[@chc2650]

He knows that they would turn his definition against him.

[@pizzurron36]

Thank you. If he wants to say that a HVM is whatever each person thinks it is. Then he can’t say if anyone is a high value man or not.

[@specialdead]

All his idea is for each guy to maximize his potential within the situation they live in. Like a dude with a Bugatti is not gonna be very high value in the Himalayas. If he could fly a Cessna though and found an innovative method to grow certain kinds of food, that man would be a king.

[@dexanwtripontidis3652]

I think the people who actually followed this dude's advice and got a vasectomy accidentally benifitted humanity, ill take that as a W

[@makaisonn7030]

Agreed. We don't need more stupid and gullible people.

[@saavyz]

😂

[@Kekoa552]

😂I’m dead but honestly really sad that these dude are leading many men in the wrong direction

[@tylercarter9965]

i feel sympathy for those tricked. but for the grifters, i hope they get vasectomies and don’t reproduce into the next generation.

[@missinterpretation4984]

Well that’s a fair point

[@shak4632]

18:10 "Whoa Brandon Carter doesn't have to do his laundry. Sick. What else are gonna do with your life" lmao

[@RagingXiioo]

Destiny and Sneako are the duo we needed and I hope they really do more debates with each other.

[@seby171]

NAW THEY JUST TROLLS AT THIS POINT.

[@gish2040]

sneako being based and showing the ability to think critically is insane

[@MIxosmefistous]

The protective bubble is bursting. American media's divide & conquer strategy, has been all about keeping people on 2 separate sides with extreme suppression of those who dare to bridge that gap and break the spell, by showing other people commonalities and things that connect us.

[@teach9906]

Converting to Islam working for him

[@DadsCigaretteRun]

Bro, we are in a simulation 😂

[@Roftastic]

He's not really thinking critcally, he's just repeating Destiny's points because it makes his islamic friends happy. He's still the same, guarantee it.

[@dzy3030]

@@Roftastic no

[@light.andshadow]

It’s like I’m seeing the Redpill movement implode because actual high value men are criticizing their talking points and defining masculinity as impact, vision, purpose, and money as a tool not a purpose is EVERYTHING. I am full of hope for humanity.

[@avertingapathy3052]

Nice strawmanning of redpill. Materialism isn't inherently redpill and there are plenty of high value men in redpill that would destroy these two clowns. Tomassi isnt some redpill Godfather because he wrote the Rational male. What you're seeing is Destiny and Aba/Preach trying to get in the lead to capture this cultural moment before the new trad right movement takes hold. Enjoy your next six months before this leftist bullshit crumbles just in time for Trump/DeSantis reflection and Trad values re-emeging.

[@ammar3094]

Its not going anywhere same way feminism and yall mindless woke mindset people arent going anywhere, both mindlesss extreme ends, sneako the only one truly neutral

[@pablogats4627]

​@@ammar3094 lol it's like deja vu, one minute the wokies are eating eachother then the redpillers npc shit

[@pursuitofknowledge5566]

Let's not be confused. Sneako is not a high value man.

[@deltoids1151]

being a cuck is high value since when

[@TheCalvinnnnn]

This was fascinating to watch. A combo of someone destroying themselves with the aid of two others destroying them simultaneously.

[@luchador4life]

This Sneako character arc is something I never saw coming. The fact these three are running away from the definition of high value man because they got busted on a stupid tweet and Sneako and Destiny are the heroes here is crazy. Rollo is the king of the clowns. People talk about feminism ruining men, but I'd say Rollo and his "not advice" are way worse. Please tell me this ended his career. This dude is absolutely the pinnacle of overcompensating. And Myron, don't be simping for Rollo. You'd be roasting any girl who acted like Rollo. He, more than any other, should not get a pass.

[@PickassoEnt]

Its BAD but definitely but worse than feminism? NOOO. Even if it reached ALOT men them calling others CUCKS or betas in a chat that will never actually get with ALOT of women is in NO WAY CLOSE 2 how Much feminism has changed modern women.

[@Keyser___Soze]

I completely saw this Sneako arc as very possible. I wasn’t 100% sure it would happen but I definitely said it was a possibility. I even have a comment on a youtube video saying exactly this right after him getting banned off every youtube and twitch probably at his lowest. People were saying how his “career” is completely over and hes never going to come back from this. I said thats wrong, he can definitely come back from this, theres nothing more people love than seeing someone get built up then crashing and burning then maturing, learning from mistakes and redeeming ones self. The redemption story is one of the best stories people love. Not to mention you could obviously see this before, how Sneako changes drastically and quickly all the time even before this last arc. The very early Sneako as a kid was completely different than the Andrew Tate Sneako. So OBVIOUSLY he could EASILY change again drastically and quickly. He finds different people all the time that he latches onto and imitates (pun not intended but pretty funny that one person he imiTATEd was Tate) and looks up to or tries to be like. Hes trying to find himself, testing his boundaries (so to speak), and is also a young adult. I think completely different than I did when I was 15 as opposed to 18, same with when I was 18 compared to 21, same with 21 compared to 25. You learn and you grow and it takes a real man or strong and intelligent person to realize you were wrong before, and to become better and smarter, and admit and recognize your mistakes and grow from them. The weak, insecure and simple minded people can never admit they’re wrong and they never learn, educate or grow. They’re too insecure and/or too dumb to ever get smarter and change for the better. I’m not saying I was betting on Sneako to do that but I definitely wouldnt have been surprised if he did which is exactly what looks like is happening. Hes always been pretty intelligent and thats what even a lot of other people (who disagreed with him) said about him even when he was at his lowest and saying he wasting his potential because they could see he was intelligent but just in some weird phase. Which a lot of people can go through. Some not as drastically as others. You learn a lot more from failure than you do from winning or succeeding.

[@yungeendax4635]

Rolo could have just defined high value man and avoided getting bullied for over an hour straight 😭

[@ali24B]

Absolutely 😂

[@dalnim4294]

Dude really said Elon isn't high value lmao

[@khakim9448]

he defined it perfectly I think in which that definition can be interchangeable with all cultures.

[@dechols87]

@@dalnim4294 bro like dude really did fucking said that lmao

[@couch4330]

Giving back what was given is bullying?

[@enriquebetancourt2942]

Sneako’s character arch is amazing. Destiny and sneako as a team debating people is super effective!!!!

[@blaxpoitation8528]

The team- up we never thought we wanted to see

[@jeanlouis1898]

This might be the greatest F&F episode of all time….having dudes with opposing views who can actually debate and articulate an argument is FARRRR more entertaining then having stupid chicks who can’t put a sentence together on the show over and over…bcuz a lot of these Red Pill ideas are easy to debunk but the guests are never smart enough to challenge Myron…..Destiny and Sneako together is pure gold

[@blank3746]

Sneako and destiny are both cucks that let their gfs sleep around

[@lolkk3394]

This is the equivalent to the what's a NFT episode 😂

[@jlh8790]

Arc is the right word cause it’s fake…. It’s wwe…. These are grown men playing characters for views….. This shit is obvious to 15 year olds….. these are legit losers who rather talk into a mic than work a real job… including destiny…. Manosphere is a group of grifters

[@benvergus1573]

Man, this was hillarious 😂😂 Credits for containing your laughter like you did Destiny, I would have bursted out in uncontrollable laughter probably

[@headphonesrock6]

Fresh before the debate, “He would body you” Fresh when they call him out and hurt his feelings, “You guys are so mean.”

[@MartinGarden]

HAHAHAHA

[@GMB726]

😂😂😂

[@Sean-ec7ov]

I love Fresh but he is about 8 chess moves behind at the best of times.

[@theonethatcan7780]

Skid&Shit

[@headphonesrock6]

@@Sean-ec7ovFresh is a whole chess game behind.

[@dbz287]

Rollo could have just said “I didn’t intend for it to come off like that, but I see what you guys are saying it does sound like I’m advising guys that vasectomy is viable option to be come a high value man the fastest way possible. I should have just kept it at avoid family creation.” Boom he saves himself an hour of getting railed and white knighted

[@bastionrome9021]

Too bad he’s the emotional male instead of rational

[@ENDofREGULATION30]

The worst is when he named other guys as not being high value, but simultaneously couldn't define "high value!" 🤦🤦

[@leirsdeirs6212]

@@ENDofREGULATION30 Not just any guys either, some of the biggest dogs out there.

[@cobra8888]

@@ENDofREGULATION30 I know right? I was like "So you know who IS NOT high value but don't know what is a High Value?"

[@CheapGodiva]

He could have done that except that he'd have to be a man in order to do that and he's not one

[@Semirouser]

Rollo Tomassi is an emotional dude, and it's ironic how his red pill ideology teaches men to be emotionally stout and direct, and yet he loses his calm and candidness the moment he is confronted on one of his controversial points.

[@Swaevy]

He got exposed

[@warpt4]

They all do once you question their stances

[@toprightchannel3080]

I was taken aback with how emotional he got here, completely lost composure and had nothing to say.

[@paulaljouny230]

That’s why I backed away from the red pill . I’m ngl it open my eyes to women but the guys at the helm of the rp community are all emotional man

[@lilstevechan8427]

Redpill is really just a safe space for men to be coddled into thinking they're high value. Notice how Rollo's tweet opens the door for basically anyone to consider themselves a HVM. It's pandering bullshit.

[@robertbarth5816]

Money is not a measure of a man's worth. It's a combination of qualities. Money is nice but you can have a amazing life without being obsessed with money.

[@joeoints3189]

Its nice to see Sneako becoming a normal rational human being

[@Amarez]

@DillonBrookesFiveHead that’s low key fax but I think it’s also just sneakos engaging more in critical thought. I can tell you sneako went off the deep end at one point. I kinda know him personally and I can say he’s changing for the better

[@shinkukirai]

@DillonBrookesFiveHead AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA UR SO SMART W O W

[@pullupenthusiast3800]

@@Sd-bk7rlno it’s the fact that sneako is actually being fair to both sexes for once, you do know there are objective facts right? And not just opinions

[@fachicha5285]

Yeah pretty refreshing

[@LevantWasTaken]

​@@Amarez yeah I completely agree. It's a really good sign he's able to see flaws in his friends' arguments. It's hard to do that, especially in sneako's situation.

[@thesovereign_]

Holy Sh*t Sneeko making sense???? I'm having heart Palpitations hearing this man tell men to take responsibility for their actions and choose better women understanding they could be the mother of their children.

[@andergarcia4953]

He still believes in conspiracies but at least he has some growth

[@JinJiyanAzadii]

He also wants kids at some point that’s why He understands that being high valued doesn’t equate happiness However a happy family and being a father will bring you more happiness than a million dollars

[@soneyJ]

I almost slipped in the shower when I heard him say that 😂 I was shocked!

[@boogie8586]

​@@soneyJ another person who listens to these in the shower, how do you do🤠

[@mugojr4766]

Miss universe 😘

[@nyarlathotep738]

Seeing sneako fight alongside Destiny is warming my heart.

[@chrisrussell8245]

A high value man is that guy on the maternity floor who hasn't left his wife's side through labor and the rest of her stay, hits the cafeteria to get his wife some of that good food, aggravates the nurses everytime she feels the slightest discomfort or can't sleep, and is always showing up at the nursery to take the baby back to the room because he just can't stand to let someone else get to be with the baby more than he does 😂 ❤ That's my husband ❤

[@elizabethmchugh9811]

❤❤❤❤

[@Nameless-lk8ld]

High value man covers his wife and daughter with his body when bullets are flying. 😢

[@beezo5946]

I love how Myron defends what Rollo is saying while also putting words in his mouth and rewording 90% of everything he said.

[@JohnDoe-kn7ex]

It’s like you have friends over and your old racist grandpa is provoking them and you gotta be like “no guys he actually meant this he’s not that bad”

[@Rude_Boi]

​@@JohnDoe-kn7exlol good analogy 😂

[@dlanjobo]

don't know why there's ppl who fuck with him. Genuinely don't get it

[@bastionrome9021]

@@JohnDoe-kn7ex it’s so funny how loyal Myron is to his friends. He’s loyal to a fault

[@nataliewalton5118]

Facts

[@JoMaisBure10]

Honestly I knew Rollo would fail hard in a debate with destiny if it were to happen, but I didn’t expect it to be this bad. I hope this is the wake up call the movement needs to either disband completely or put this old dog out to pasture. My god. One of the biggest Ls I’ve witnessed this year.

[@niclastname]

Yeah same. I expected him to have _bad_ points, not ZERO points lmao. I'm legitimately surprised by how funny this was and how poorly he did. F&F had to step in to try to save him, and looked ashamed while doing it lol. Myron looked like he was trying to hide his face after a while, and Fresh at the end even had to say "you guys are being mean" to try to give him a chance to recover. 😂 They're being mean?! To the ultra-masculine grand wizard of the redpill?! On F&F of all shows?! The show that's literally famous for being mean to people they disagree with and Fresh is really gonna try to call them out for "being mean" lmao.

[@instantsus_]

disband. they will all become rollo. just angry repressed divorced old men full of regrets.

[@PraisetheSun150]

“Go back to twitch and stop making me evaluate upon my point I can’t explain, you douchenozzles!!”😂😂😂😂

[@niclastname]

@@PraisetheSun150 Meanwhile they're both banned from twitch and Sneako doesn't even play video games lol. He sounds like an actual boomer.

[@CultOfBlackPhillip]

This is exactly what Rollo gets for making five books out of things he heard Patrice O’Neal say off-hand on the radio.

[@SigmaGamer84]

Patrice O'Neal is the real godfather not Rollo or Kevin Samuels he was spitting game in the early 2000s on Opie and Anthony and on his own show the Black Phillip show

[@adalfredogonzalez9884]

​@@SigmaGamer84 It is super unfair to compare Rollo to Kevin Samuels. From what I've heard from KS, he credited Patrice and was very precise with his speech and didn't give bad advice generally

[@SigmaGamer84]

@@adalfredogonzalez9884 all I'm saying is patrice's the real godfather when people accredit that to Rollo and Kevin Samuels I know Samuels shouted him out as well as Sneako and just pearly things but he is the true godfather

[@victorrubio9568]

He actually copied Esther Vilar's Manipulated Man from 1971.

[@Drdirtydee]

Here’s something I noticed, like Patrice had an openish thing with his girl. But they will shit on destiny for the open relationship. Also thanks for existing your channel was great to me in a formative time.