F*** YOUR CULT - Heated Leftist Confronts Destiny On Trans Sports

[@destiny]

Heated leftist confronts Destiny on his trans sports take before Destiny tries to de-escalate in order to have a productive conversation... Destiny Gets Dogpiled In HEATED 1v9 Debate Panel On Trans Sports ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIHWpGWwa9qUZ7s

[@Balls_on_Chin]

Feels weird being in a cult, I suppose I’ve been drinking the kool aid for a week now 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@lancemagmer9701]

I think considering handicaps would be appropriate. Let them compete and give trans women 2 seconds on there race times or multiply it by 1.01. subtract 5 lbs or multiply by .99 for weights.

[@sadone3565]

Hey destiny, I’m a trans girl here and if there’s any way of getting me on I’d totally come on and talk about this issue. I really do think that the current discussion on trans sport kinda lends itself to some of the arguments on the terf/conservative side. The discussion if it’s “to include trans ppl” should be around the the metrics of what should and shouldn’t be included. Like for example you made the concession that early transitioners should be included and that if they didn’t go through male puberty you can’t see a reason why they should be included. I would love to be on and maybe discuss this more though and if anyone can upvote this so destiny can see it. I would love to be a more centered person on this specific issue because quite a few of the ppl who have discussed this issue with you have in a few instances done it in bad faith.

[@brennendehexe7934]

27min in and i just have to quit. If someone actually believes women can do more pushups than men. Just say goodbye. Why would you expect a rational argument with someone if they already abandoned all common sense.

[@seavpal]

Tha coolaid really tasts like t' rancid nutsack, wot man put tha cynide in dis urly?😜

[@thlkmura]

I still just cannot fathom the sheer amount of confidence ALL of these people have spewing bullshit they know nothing about.

[@sargeteg5927]

I also don't understand how anyone could be so confident arguing that differences for athletic sports between the genders could only be due to societal factors. I could believe that for chess but the differences for sports like football, soccer, basketball, hockey are so extreme that male youth teams would annihilate women pro and national teams. In the case of (American) football, I'd imagine half the women's team leaving the field with concussions. It's so ludicrous.

[@sxewhil]

It’s honestly astounding

[@hartyewh1]

Dunning-Kruger, that's exactly what it is. The main element of being stupid or uninformed is not understanding that you are.

[@BigChinaski]

@@sargeteg5927 in the case of American football, half the women would leave in body bags. Those guys are the absolute pinnacle of size, speed, and strength. An average man trying to contend in pro football would be putting their life at risk, seriously.

[@WanderTheNomad]

It's not uncommon for confidence to be inversely proportional to knowledge/experience.

[@SteveEricJordan]

ABOLISH SPORTS i'm speechless. this is the perfect example of someone living in the online world, thinking himself into a rage, completely detached from reality.

[@goldentrichomeshydro4260]

✅️

[@colinmc2945]

This is the literal dumbest argument ever, this person cannot be genuinely arguing that women and men are equally competitive. If that were true there wouldn’t be separate leagues to begin with.

[@joshuathomas5626]

I couldn’t tell if he was joking or not, but then he followed that up with “the ppl that would get mad about that would be mad anyway” lol

[@plaguepug2091]

You’re just not based enough SteveEricJordan, I think we should abolish urologists and gynecologists as well for being too gender-exclusive.

[@comradecaspy]

You can hear the obesity in his voice.

[@Zeeroo4life]

The amount of mental gymnastics done to avoid confronting the fact that testosterone has a permanent, advantageous effect on male bone structure and muscle development is insanity

[@15walkingaway]

That's what irks me when they only bring up testosterone levels. They don't consider the anatomical advantages of going through puberty as a man. It shows their complete lack of understanding of how the body functions as a system.

[@KittenIgnition]

men seem to excel even at mental gymnastics it seems :^)

[@dandromeda1]

​@@KittenIgnition Damn it! I was gonna say that, you beat me to it lol.

[@bigpapi6688]

@@15walkingawayI can confirm, as a dude who has gone through puberty and taken gear: boys are much stronger

[@Leo_Pard_A4]

​@@KittenIgnitionnice

[@pazmello]

How has this dude lived on this earth for at least 30 years and doesn’t know that there’s a significant difference between men and women in sports. It’s mind blowing to me.

[@TheMasterblah]

The fact that none of these people know that a man can perform at a lower body fat, making them pound for pound stronger than a woman who carries more fat naturally is so frustrating. None of these people understand the specifics of sports

[@jonathanrobinson6934]

This is what it is to be stuck in your feels.

[@juliekring7574]

People who argue the loudest about trans women in sports are never athletes

[@Darthdoodoo]

They know and are suppressing it to feel partvof the group or they are straight up lying

[@user-ev8ij4ld1m]

He knows, he’s lying

[@Va11idus]

As soon as this guy said that WNBA players could play in the NBA if it wasn't for societal pressures there was no point in arguing anymore. He's never going to find common ground.

[@BCNeil]

None of the WNBA players could even make a top 10 NCAA mens team as a starter.

[@rodneywoodcock8235]

@@BCNeil They couldn't be a Division III men's player. They couldn't make a really good boy's high school team. Men and Women are not equal physically, nor will they ever be. Why is this so hard to understand? This is sh!t everyone knew until 10 minutes ago and they reason for men's and women's separate leagues in the first place.

[@yungdevi]

Getting dunked on by Lebron while his hairy ball bag swipes across your forehead replayed in slow motion by the misogynists at espn is a societal pressure

[@bigbelly8649]

You wouldn't even have to bring Lebron out. The Lakers G league bench would do the same thing. @@yungdevi

[@yungdevi]

@@bigbelly8649 easily. The womens World Cup soccer lineup got wiped by a very average group of male high schoolers. In basketball I’d expect the same or maybe even worse

[@kronk2294]

“I’d be happy if we just abolished sports” “I just want you to see that not all of us are crazy” That’s convincing

[@DistantKingdom]

abolish sports for everybody because a fraction of a fraction of people feel a certain way? tf lol. that's not even remotely sensible or reasonable in the slightest

[@thepubquiz3198]

What I don't understand is this persons argument that the physical advantages men have over women on average is due to society, rather than biological differences. I think you can certainly possibly explains some of the gap that way, and the only way you would know for certain, is if you tested people who grew up in some gender neutral community cut off from the outside world, which is never going to happen. Yet does this person think that the reason women are shorter on average for example, is because of society ? How could society possibly be making women substantially shorter on average ? We know that society isn't making women shorter on average, which would serve as good evidence that other biological differences like our nervous systems, muscle mass, fat distribution, somatotype and so on, are also not caused by society, but rather biological differences.

[@thepubquiz3198]

@gary grep I'm not quite sure I understand your comment, when you say "Abolish sports for every one because they're threaten by a fraction of a fraction of a percent" are you saying they are threatened by a small percentage of elite athletes outperforming everyone else ? And " but who's saying anything about abolishing sports for everyone?" in this video the first person Destiny was talking to, brought up abolishing all sports until we can figure out how to progress in regards to this situation.

[@nocivolive]

Some vegetables make me sick, so lets ban the selling of vegetables because it hurts me and we need to think out what we should do about it.

[@drifter402]

Yea man he's like trans people have so little impact that we should just de-gender all sports, which would just make the problem way worse. And obviously the small amount of trans in women's sports is a big deal since they're fucking winning

[@pommiebears]

Does he in any way sound sensible to you? I’m not a leftist. I’m not on the right either, I’m in the area that doesn’t have a name. I listen to Destiny and I don’t always agree with him, but I find myself agreeing to some things, and he’s even changed my mind on some topics. This person who has called in, is bitter and twisted. By jealousy? Maybe. But, he ain’t right in the melon, that’s for sure. Lol.

[@valorousvanity8861]

As a competitive athlete all throughout highschool and my 20s, if you think women can compete with men in any sport that requires any physical strength, speed, or stamina, you are delusional.

[@ey1615]

@Lydia Why even separate little boys and girls in sports in the first place

[@roymarshall_]

The only question we need to ask anybody making that argument is: DYEL?

[@kittyfluffins]

As someone who has never played sports, this is fucking obvious and common knowledge. I cannot believe that the first guy was arguing that MEN don’t have any advantages over women.

[@ChiTownOriginator]

@Lydia actually there are plenty of great reasons. Fairness for example.

[@OverlyCriticalAnime]

Even E sports and chess are mainly men. It may be due to a boys only mentality but woman are not near as competitive as men from what I can tell but I'm sure it's the first one thou. Lol

[@Durzo1259]

"They're such a tiny portion of the population that they have no effect on women's sports." It takes exactly one trans woman to take first place to steal it from all the other women who would've otherwise had a chance.

[@thosearentpillows5638]

Yes.

[@ShadowAC69-]

I hate how all criticism for destiny goes from “destiny is wrong and has bad takes” to “destiny just has too big of a following so he shouldn’t engage with anything ever” they just want to to say anything without any push back. It’s so boring.

[@kyle8971]

When your goalposts have wheels, your position is constantly changing. It's why the criticism of Destiny falls on its face so often. Destiny might have some bad takes but his positions are not untenable.

[@lossnt557]

Yeah im getting sick of these convos

[@pieshka4509]

Waaahhh Destiny is a bad person cause randos that aren't him are mean! The bulk of criticism of him the past couple weeks

[@pieshka4509]

@Guy Dude the old "you need to be responsible with your large platform" while they behave in an extremely toxic manner argument the progressive side of youtube and twitch have used since 2012 as if it's a valid argument

[@CrestOfArtorias]

But but inclusion!

[@Matt-yn8dv]

"Let's abolish sports until we can figure it the fuck out" he said. Genius, that will solve everything. This action would certainly not backfire on the very same trans people he's advocating for. "With friends like these who needs enemies" seems to ring true here.

[@jjbignutz7098]

If everyone in here is on the same page, Why the dissdain for so called turfs?

[@jerseyhammer1951]

That suggestion who ever made it is just stupid. That is a great way to close the only avenue some have to get out of their lower economic positions.

[@jjbignutz7098]

@@jerseyhammer1951 pfffffffft yeah thats a great argument 😂😂 Cause poor people. Its just fucken wrong

[@jerseyhammer1951]

@@jjbignutz7098 So it's okay to say screw sports programs for everyone because the trans males to females want to play with the girls, killing the opportunities that may raise the poor people many liberals say they give a shit about out of a poverty situation. Yeah that will end well on the macro level.

[@yungbeef8444]

Destiny says shit like this sometimes as well.. like let's just run a massive social experiment that will radically reshape reality for a large group of people and see what happens... this is shifty and unethical science yet it seems to be the consensus for some reason even among academics

[@3MrNiceGuy15]

This used to happen to me all the time. The second I would push back on anything even remotely "progressive" I all of a sudden became far right fascist in their eyes. Which ironically, that type of devisive mentality was the very thing I was pushing back on in the first place. It's not healthy to think like that. It's ok to have a discussion with opposing views. But people just want to erase opposing ideas completely. Its insane.

[@soggybiscuit6098]

That's because real progressivism has been co-opted by the establishment to distract and protect them as they rob people economically. The right used to be the authoritarian cult crazies, it's completely flipped around now.

[@praetoriancorps]

Was going to make a comment but then I saw you already put "progressive" between " "

[@baskoning9896]

Dude. It was what made me 'rightextremist' in the first place. I used to be a classical lefty. But the left started to take more and more positions, that I could not tolerate. I did not move. The left, moved, ever farther away, till the only ones actually giving a single damn about my actual leftwing positions: where the f*ing right. And yes, all 'we' have to do is open our arms, and collect people who have been 'cancelled' by the hyperextreme left. Middle of the road fence sitters: are pushed 'to the extreme right' by the left, for just not conforming to their insane standards. The left, has become the very thing they say they are fighting against. They are now the ones stifling debate. Using violence. Demanding segregation. Piss on woman and gay rights. Demand 100 percent state control. Want endless war for profit. I did not leave the left. The left left me.

[@jacobdonahue4191]

They want to erase the aposing ideas, because they cannot defend their own. That's what facist did. That's what communism did. Know that anyone who wants to shut down conversation aren't the good guys.

[@aaronmontgomery2055]

Nah you just on the right now. 😂 it just how it is. You believe in capitalism, you on the right. You believe in not seeing people based on race, you on the right. It is how it is now

[@skolzig]

There is no such thing as “mens sports” at any level; be it the NCAA, high school, or even further down the age scale from there. Women are free to participate in any of these activities if they’re talented enough to earn a spot on the team. “Womens sports” at least at the collegiate level, were created via title IX precisely because women were not able to do just that. There’s no specific rule barring women from competing with men in high level organized sport. This theoretical “experiment” around de-gendering sports has already been running for 50+ years. We know how it shakes out.

[@Throwaway-xr6zd]

Wait till this Lydia person who is all over the comments section of this video tell you how you are a transphobe.

[@wydmark]

Wish we could make a all womens team football vs mens game. Like literally the strongest hoes on earth tho.

[@Jst.a.Normal.Bottle.of.Mustard]

@Lydia "Half of these comments are making fun of the caller for "sounding obese" or using "these people" as a stand-in for referring to trans people so they can still claim they aren't transphobic" - your reply to another comment on this video less than 10min ago.....

[@Throwaway-xr6zd]

@Lydia you kind of plastered yourself all over here so it's hard not to notice. you say you are a pro wrestler and this affect you so i guess it's only fair. it's not like people lie on internet or anything. regardless, youtube comments of a random streamer who couldn't even get his one canvassing effort to success is where all legislative battles for trans rights are fought. how many comments do you have on destiny's channel, again 550+?

[@Throwaway-xr6zd]

@Lydia yes but that doesn't mean you get to do it on the expense of cis women. that's the contention. try to think beyond you and the group of people you identify with.

[@schwifty148]

This guy is just wrong, if you train women the same way as men, the men will still be stronger/faster. This guy has actually never played a sport.

[@Voltroc]

Or worked out or taken a health class or anything that would inject a modicum of common sense into his brain.

[@theperfectbeing]

In my powerlifting gym we have a 84kg+ woman who placed well at nationals. Her max deadlift was 435lb, I only outweight her by 12lbs and I've lifted that for 17 reps on my AMRAP, with my normal working set weight 475lb+. We also have a 63kg lifter that pulls over 600lbs and has trained the same amount of time as her. Once you do something like bench press the amount of weight is nearly double.

[@luisdawnfinder3188]

@@Voltroc I guarantee he's a fat homosexual communist. I have no idea who this guy is, but I'm confident he shares the Vaush phenotype if I had to guess. You have to be allergic to sports or self improvement of any kind to become this delusional

[@SirZipper]

The dude tried giving football as his example for training from a young age. That's one of the most physical intensive contact sports, where women would probably literally die competing at.

[@luisdawnfinder3188]

@@SirZipper As a football player growing up I can confirm. I was on the smaller end of the team, and basically had to be extra technical to survive smashing into dudes 60 pounds heavier. That was only possible because I still had the same structure and testosterone as everyone else. There was a couple women who did alright in middle school football that I saw cause they were beast wrestlers, but once we got to high school even that didn't matter. It would've been a safety risk by that point

[@redgrimgrumbult3823]

"You've made takes that make trans people uncomfortable and they're not feeling good in their spaces right now." I do love how this guy speaks for all trans people.

[@megarakadmea]

Honestly if you substituted “women” in his statement he’d think the person saying it was evil. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@SC2Spectre]

"I used to like your content" is code for "You were targeting conservatives".

[@SlayingSin]

I strongly disagree with Destiny on a lot of issues, but at least he is honest about his ideas, and remains logically consistent.

[@Gigakoopz]

@@SlayingSin Except for the NFT hypocrisy.

[@XxGreatestyouknoWxX]

@@SlayingSin yeah I disagree with him too on alot of topics.

[@SlayingSin]

@@neglectfulsausage7689 you make some valid points, I am more trustful in goodness than that though. Also, as it is the most interesting part of your comment to me, what exactly is a "radical centrist"? If they are centrists, how can they be radical? I'm genuinely curious.

[@nicholaswalker5053]

@@SlayingSin I think radical centrist is a bit of a sensationalized term that is simply supposed to demonize centrists by both sides to paint centrism negatively. There may be some valid criticisms for those who are centrists because they are fence sitting, but ultimately it’s just a cop out for embracing actual radical ideology or at least, not seeing value in centrism because they are entrenched in their existing worldview and reject anything that’s contrary to it

[@Jaryism]

This guy is so obtuse…. I just can’t. This is a master class of double speak, so he wants to break all boundaries between male/female sports basically dooming women from competing physically in sports to the point women would just not play, and he has ZERO CARE from a social level how women would feel about that. Maybe a 12 year old Girls Soccer team likes the social dynamic of playing with their girl friends and don’t want boys taking over their team?? Yep. Also, how can he say it’s unfair for Trans ppl having them compete against their own biology yet he wants to eliminate any separation of sex in leagues, which is screwing over 99.99% of women for the sake of 0.001% he feels bad for. Didn’t Spok once say “the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few”

[@JM-mh1pp]

@Lydia for the benefit of... hundres of millions? Sounds like a great deal, maybe the best deal in the history of deals.

[@Gopherzooka]

@Lydia 2.2 million so.... .5% of the population yes, do you seriously thibk we should disadvantage 48% for the sake of .5%?

[@lukaswithakay]

@@Gopherzooka Answer: Yes. They probably also think we should still be wearing masks.

[@jcb5681]

Trans activists values the feelings of a few males over the integrity of sports for all females. Simple as that.

[@RanEncounter]

@@lukaswithakay We should be still wearing masks. How is this so much of a problem to you?

[@joegasparro2395]

This is what happens when you never leave the basement and participate in the world. EVERYONE who has played any type of sport at any time in life knows there is a significant difference between men and women. But, I am sitting here watching, so I am now reevaluating my life. Thank you sir.

[@randal3122]

its the woke cult. they are absolutely delusional and believe whatever bullshit the most radical leftist people tell them

[@bigpapi6688]

I was athletic and in good shape in HS, but I stopped playing sports before then. My senior year I wrestled a girl at our school that medaled in state, and pinned her on my first takedown attempt. My junior year I raced a girl the year above me who won state in the hundred yard dash and beat her by like ten yards. And I didn’t play either sport. I can’t imagine if I was an actual good athlete who competed. It’s absurd, especially in high school when you have boys that have gone through puberty and are essentially men

[@caca0caca0]

Y'know, as someone who legitimately can't walk, every time someone sounds incredulous or aghast at the idea that a certain percentage of the population can't compete in sports is both hilarious and mildly infuriating. Like, yeah? Trans people can't compete until they build structures and resources and outreach programs necessary to have their own league. Sorry. I know that nobody has ever had to do that before, or has faced such severe unfairness, but I have a feeling that they'll be able to endure that hateful oppression.

[@tb8654]

Exactly, they're acting as if we should push people who are handicapped into the same Olympics due to there being a small population of handicapped people, instead of focusing on setting up a league that advocates for athletes who have handicaps/disabilities

[@magicdragon9621]

This is an excellent point to make.

[@bobwilliams4895]

Preach!

[@dejue]

Man. I've heard a lot of arguments on both sides. Rarely is anything unique. I have never thought about or heard anyone with your point of view. It really made me say "hmmm". Thank you for sharing.!

[@frickingart]

yo why cant i play against the wheelchair basketball league, thats discrimination.

[@MergatroidS]

42:35 Without being too mean, this really exemplifies a huge and meaningful disconnect that sometimes comes from people on that side of the trans sports conversation. It's not just that these people have never played sports before. This person clearly has never even WATCHED sports to suggest something so stupid. Personally, I love basketball. I enjoy watching it at all levels (high school, college, professional) and by all genders. Women's basketball specifically is more exciting than it's ever been with so many talented young players coming up. HOWEVER... The NCAA (college) basketball tournaments just wrapped up. Both male and female games air around the same time. If you ever watch a woman's NCAA game right after watching a man's NCAA game, the women look like they're moving in slow motion. That's how jarring the difference is. The best female player could never hope to chase down any of those guys on a fast break. Female centers aren't strong enough to post up male point guards, let alone male centers. For Christ's sake, women's basketball is already played with a smaller ball to better fit their hand size. The idea that these differences can somehow be socialized out is complete nonsense.

[@mitchyorkey2914]

Yeah anecdote Andy but I remember our hs basketball team played the girl’s volleyball team in volleyball and dominated purely by being taller and having good jumpers. These dudes had no technique or teamwork and still won easily

[@dexter2392]

You are correct, but the problem is, these people would rather disgregard everything you just said and blame the differences on "social constructs" and "fascism".

[@proudtobeme1ashkente]

Even just a casual watcher of football, my mother, has often exclaimed that women's football is just more slow and boring to watch. It's gonna be the same for every sport like this.

[@zeb_reynolds]

The worst player on the worst team in the NBA would be so dominant in the WNBA that they would simply have shut it down due to the fact that no other team could ever compete with them. Women’s basketball is entertaining, but like you said acting like women’s basketball players are even remotely on the same playing field is hilarious.

[@richardlug6139]

@@zeb_reynolds I would bet the best High school boys BB team in the nation would beat an all star WNBA team especially if you used the mens sized basket ball, but even if they used the womens size the boys would win.

[@xplatinum]

I find it incredible that he's able to play Elden Ring at that level while remaining coherent and cool headed in this discussion.

[@phoebeaurum7113]

The power of high functioning autism. He basically has two processor core.

[@scottiecurrie7927]

I'd place money on the idea that debating helps him focus on the game

[@CodeeXD]

He's also spending a good but of timer just running around not really doing much

[@doodoo871]

He’s using my gaming clips

[@gslang3489]

At a horrible level?

[@dexter2392]

The trans sports arc is getting more based by the minute.

[@chiron9536]

This Arc is the best in the anime so far

[@ericstein8019]

Wait until the conservative debates

[@nickfry7839]

this two minute clip explains perfectly what people who never do anything act like they know.kzbin.infoOb0Ta49vx5o?feature=share

[@weliveinasusciety1279]

It also shows how insane leftists have truly become to any sort of nuanced or even moderate positions.

[@Bababaaaa]

Yeah I can't believe it's gotten to people wanting to not have women's leagues at all now. That is so insane.

[@chiefnama790]

When you think that the difference between males and females is largely down to societal constraints, norms etc. It's time to leave the chat.🤣 This dude really thinks the biggest reason women can't compete with men is because they weren't trained in the same way from birth as men are (which for sports like tennis and track is just a flat out lie). He's literally contributing to the narrative that Trans activists are irrational, illogical and just down right bat shit crazy😂. Yet he's 100% convinced he's fighting the 'good fight'

[@scarletsletter4466]

Exactly. My dad was a football player & I'm the only girl in my family. Everyone played sports with me my whole life. I went on to play tennis in college, but if u think the reason I wasn't a QB like my daddy is just societal constraints... 🤣 I wanted to be exactly like him & no societal constraint would've stopped me if it was physically possible

[@JesusChristsDick]

It’s even worse than you realize. They don’t even know what it means to be a trans woman. Trans women were raised AS BOYS

[@DeansDiscourse]

@@scarletsletter4466 I was on a track team with a girl who’d been training for many years longer than me in the 400m and she is an international level athlete. After never training for the 400m I ran times practically identical to her international level performance and the longest distance I’d trained for was the 200m (I had only been training for a year). It absolutely isn’t just a social constraint between men and women

[@pommiebears]

Yes. Disregard the biological facts that men have stronger bones, bigger lungs, heart, skeletal system, muscle fibres, more responsive muscles, more blood to carry oxygen to these strengths, and I could go on. If we disregard all of that…..us women are exactly the same strength as men. Lol. How ridiculous 😂

[@pommiebears]

@@scarletsletter4466 I’m 6’ tall. I’m a strong woman, if I’m compared to others. Yet, I watched my husband, who is only slightly taller than me, and never goes to the gym….carry a boat engine across our double garage. I could not even lift it, let alone carry it.

[@ihsahnakerfeldt9280]

It's one thing to argue for the undeniable role of socialization on gender roles and stereotypes, but the sheer difference in physical strength between the average man and the average woman is basically purely biology. It's insane to me that educated people can actually think otherwise.

[@edwardhim2276]

especially upper body strength. a lot of studies have shown many untrained men outcompete women who have trained in the bench press for a few years.

[@maxmustermann9058]

I really dislike these exhibition matches where women top athletes get crushed by men, but maybe we need a few more of them so that some disillusioned people realize that their is a big biological gap in performance between men and women.

[@aubreytherapper5258]

The sad thing is ppl who make these arguments have never played or competed in any sports organization in thier life

[@roymarshall_]

@Lydia For some reason I'm not sure if "you're banned from sports if you didn't take puberty blockers in time" will go over well

[@benjaminratthe9904]

@Lydia Should we put all men on puberty blockers just in case?

[@SpecterSeventy2]

@Lydia I mostly agree about the issue when puberty blockers are used in those circumstances…. But what is your answer to the post puberty trans athlete allowed in cis women competition?

[@JM-mh1pp]

@Lydia hey young person... you are ready to make important decisions which may impact your entire future! - cool... can I buy a beer? - don't be stupid of course not. - cigs? -no, those are bad for you! - drop out of school and start working? - that is child labour! It could destroy your entire future! - so what can I do? - take chemicals which are used to chemically castrate criminals to inhibit your puberty... - is this... safe? - probably... I mean we used it since the 1970 to delay puberty in people with hormonal imbalance... not really on healthy people so sample size is very small...but you will be fine... probably, most likely...around 90%

[@Blank_01_01]

The brain rot on these people is insane. "Girls being conditioned from an early age could compete with men in football" Dude, you may as well be discussing the Paleozoic era with a young earth creationist.

[@TheVerbos]

Yeah, it's insane.

[@skuzzlebutt9745]

@@TheVerbostransphobe. Im a trans woman and i can play football in nfl today and im a woman

[@monkusaugustus4017]

"it's so sad that 1% of the population can't participate in sports... Let's make it 50%"

[@Winasaurus]

Lefty: "You want to eliminate trans people from all sports, I don't think that's ok." Destiny: "No, they can still compete in their own leagues." Lefty: "But there isn't enough for leagues so you're effectively eliminating them." Meanwhile: Destiny: "You want to eliminate all women from sports, I don't think that's ok." Lefty: "No, they can compete with trans women." Destiny: "But the trans women have an advantage and would beat them, effectively eliminating them." Lefty: "No it's different when I do it, there's not even that many trans people anyways, also think of humanity, also you sound transphobic." So he's willing to extend "effective" elimination of transpeople by having their own league into totally eliminating transpeople from sports when Destiny says it, but when destiny says the same thing about him effectively eliminating women from sports all of a sudden he wants to be really specific with his wording and "Well technically they can still play." Trans people could still play in destiny's version. "Oh but they can't in reality cause not enough people." and not in reality with your version cause the trans people beat the cis people. Classic case of wanting the most charitable interpretation of his words "I was joking when I said women's sports don't matter, also technically I'm not eliminating women's sports", but giving the worst interpretation of Destiny's "You basically just want to get rid of trans people, you don't seem to care about the humanity of people, is that not good enough?"

[@bradmiles1984]

It comes simple to what does the most good, eliminating 50 percent of the population from sports vs 1 percent of the population. That is Destiny's point, yes it sucks for transpeople but unless you can even the playing field it's just how it is. Right now the standards are messed up that they even have to be in. They can have 3 times the amount of testosterone as a normal healthy woman produces and still be in a acceptable range. The only way a biological woman could get those levels is by taking steroids which is illegal for them. How is that fair? In terms of having their own league, just make an open gender league then they can compete with biological men and women but at least they are agreeing to it not being forced into being at a disadvantage. At least in sports where it is competitive, if it's some local league it doesn't matter but when there is scholarships and money on the line then yes transwomen should be excluded if they have an unfair advantage.

[@Mubiki]

The irony is that people get excluded all the time. In college for example, not every woman who wants to compete gets to. Some people are excluded because they are not good enough. So this idea that nobody is "allowed" to be excluded in a civilized country is a false narrative anyway. It is about biological advantages. Those with unfair advantages should be excluded, just like those who were simply not good enough. This is the way the world works.

[@upsidedownmachiatto2670]

​@@Mubiki i mean that's what we have already established now. We try to make it as fair as possible. They just trying to reinvent this process now.

[@brettsodrel6456]

This whole "well let's just abolish all sports" idea fucking infuriates me...just cuz you dont play or care about sports doesn't mean the rest of us don't...its a huge part of millions of people's lives...and not just the athletes, its a way for parents and children to bond over something who might not have other ways to do so because of the generation gap...its just such a selfish and frankly ignorant thing to say.

[@TheFatalcrest]

I don't even play sports, or watch them much and I was like "oh fuck that! What did the entire practice of sports do to justify that idea!'

[@salmonblox]

It was the same thing when Adam Canover was debating trans sports with Joe Rogan… they act like sports are silly and this will be some fun, messy, enlightening experiment as we abolish sports divisions and figure this out and get used to the new normal… all from people who never watch or play any sport whatsoever. It infuriates me

[@TheFatalcrest]

@@salmonblox because these individuals probably don't care enough to be turned off by the idea. And if it was a space of theirs, they would probably hesitate slightly at the idea of having the entire franchise shut down so they could try to figure out how to cater to a microcosm of the population.

[@meodrac]

Being terminally online should be considered a mental disorder, these people need help

[@Rohtix]

"Why do you care what I say?" "Because you're blowing up my feed" Guy comes in, calls destiny a transphobic cultist, then retracts that part of the way through and kinda admits he just annoyed of seeing him. Does he really give a fuck about trans people or...?

[@rohanjarande]

These "activists" are the worst enemies their own causes could ever have.

[@User71956]

I don’t think any streamer actually care about social issues. It’s just reality tv 2.0. Everyone wants to be famous and make lots of money, the ideology is always #3 for 99% of streamers. It’s trashy entertainment, but so was Jerry Springer and I loved watching that growing up.

[@rustyshackleford11]

most people don't really care about others at all, let alone an EXTREMELY small subset of people (actual intersex people)

[@Withwhatmytoes]

The answer is no. Even your virtue signalling friends don’t. What people really care about is social credit and that they are perceived to be good. They don’t care and don’t need to. Nobody has to care about trans people. They are eminently unlikeable as a group, they need to be better, work on their mental health problems and narcissistic tendencies and people may start to accept them

[@theroamingsavage8813]

Hes a narcissist, literally trying to make himself look and sound heroic.

[@ki11erkittie]

This dude is denying reality and logic in order to be an ally. I'm fully willing to be an ally as long as I'm never asked to ignore those things. How does this guy get off calling people cultists?

[@MrLittletube]

Agreed. I have to tell people this shit continually. I'll be an ally every step of the way. Untill you demand I deny science and reality. That's my line in the sand.

[@Withwhatmytoes]

@@MrLittletube but isn’t that what being an ally is? Lying and being forced to speak falsehoods?

[@jujutrini8412]

Yeah I wonder if he would be happy for his daughter to do boxing or MMA in weight categories and not divided by sex categories.

[@theroamingsavage8813]

He thinks that because .001% of the population is born with 4 fingers, that all gloves need to be made with 4 fingers

[@GSP-76]

​@@WithwhatmytoesNo, it doesn't. If that's been your experience, find better people to engage with.

[@dirrtydani1]

One of the hardest things to accept is not being able to do everything you want or things that other people can. As someone who is chronically ill it has took me 15 years to accept i cannot do things healthy people can or at least not on the same level. I know its a bit different but if your body puts you at a significant advantage or disadvantage you have to accept its not necessarily a space for you. There will be other spaces that fit you better but you cant force yourself to fit them all

[@Jaryism]

Can these people ever, for once, NOT HAVE a chip on their shoulder and just have a cordial conversation from the start? Grats to Destiny at 8:00 trying to lower the temp of the conversation.

[@jayfron6012]

The chip on your shoulder is a right of passage to be a vitriolic online lefty

[@thepapavulture8322]

@Lydia And no one will care to engage with you if you come out swinging like an idiot with their finger on the trigger

[@Throwaway-xr6zd]

@Lydia what sports do you play?

[@JM-mh1pp]

@Lydia how does it affect you? In what sport are you competing?

[@user-sk4ds1rg1z]

@Lydia show record

[@SmarkAngel]

What drives me nuts is how many of these terminally online losers just clearly don't think athletics are important at all. "Oh we should cancel sports until we figure this out." Like, anyone who would even entertain such a stupid idea shouldn't be taken seriously. Maybe if people did anything other than play videogames all day they'd get why it's a big deal to people.

[@jeremias-serus]

The interesting thing is; I'm pretty sure like 99% of these terminally online far left talking heads don't play video games

[@JM-mh1pp]

@@jeremias-serus of course not, video games require a modicum of competence, which as we all know, is discrimination. They just read twitter.

[@lukaswithakay]

@@JM-mh1pp They’re the target audience of walking simulators.

[@TheDexsword]

Yeah like sport are more bigger than u think a whole nation, economics and believe intertwined with sports since like what? Ancient Greek? How tf those ppl came to these idea is beyond me.

[@merlotpapi4930]

I wish people just call these people out for what they are, they're white nerds who are too sheltered and play vidya and seethe on twitter all day. All of a sudden they pretend they don't make fun of athletes in the last 10 years and never made cringey "sports ball" comments.

[@UFCSTARS]

Serena Williams who is the number 1 greatest female tennis player ever lived said, she would get destroyed by any male player who is ranked in the top 200th places. She knows this because she uses semi-pro men to train with and they push her to her limit...she nearly got cancelled when she brought this up over whether it would be fair for trans to compete against women. She said: "Hell no!"

[@jcpbd1776]

13:00 "I'm not counting out women... they have every ability to compete with any other athlete cis or trans" This issue has taught me that not enough dad's forced their kids to play sports

[@Coastpsych_fi99]

Look in mixed social level sport that’s non-contact it’s probably fine. But at an elite level it’s literally crazy.

[@jcpbd1776]

@@Coastpsych_fi99 social level that's non contact? Not trying to hop on your head but can you provide a few examples of what you're referring to

[@Diabolical3010]

i feel like people just dont go out enough. You have to be terminally online to say something that idiotic.

[@bradmiles1984]

@@jcpbd1776 He's talking about like non-competitive social type leagues. The kind where people care more about drinking beer then winning the game.

[@jcpbd1776]

@@bradmiles1984 if so then I'd be a lot more open to his ideology, I didn't hear it that way because they were bringing up NCAA athletes, Olympic rulings and national ranking competitions, but If there's a quote I misheard or ignored I'd be a bit more open

[@gnomebody2371]

Holy fuck this dude is really blaming the patriarchy that men and women don’t compete against each other. Fuck maybe the anti-SJW’s were right.

[@jcb5681]

On this issue the anti-SJWs are 100% right. It’s not that they’re smart, it’s that progressives are fucking insane.

[@onionfarmer3044]

Give an inch and they take a mile.

[@dexter2392]

Based

[@Cybertech134]

We always were right. People are just recently waking up to that fact. Better late than never, I suppose.

[@SpecterSeventy2]

@13:43 When Destiny ask’s this guy if all sports were de-gendered, would women be able to be competitive with men… and his answer is “I don’t know, it has yet to be seen.”… This more than obviously shows that this guy has never competed in any physical sport and has absolutely no clue about the already and incredibly established performance differences between men and women in high level competition.

[@bradmiles1984]

It's not even that. There is no such thing as men's sports. There is no requirement to be male to compete. The only one that has a gender requirement is women, why? Because otherwise they get demolished by men in physical sports. It's just a fact of biology. He refuses to admit it. Almost every measure of athletics males have advance bone density, tendon strength, vo2 max, red blood cell count, ease of packing on contractile tissue, etc, etc.

[@kevintheshane]

Jesus Christ, 18:00 - anyone who has watched one NBA game and one WNBA game would know how absurd this is. The gap in competitiveness is miles wide. This is not a knock on women’s sports. The WNBA is great. But it’s so strange that someone with seemingly NO familiarity with competitive sports would have such strong opinions on the topic.

[@socialjihad5724]

Yeah, I think every single person that destiny has debated on this topic has demonstrated completely apathy and disinterest in the very idea of competitive sports

[@jcb5681]

Anyone who says women could play in the NBA is deluded, simple as that

[@3self]

Isn’t the 3 point line closer to hoop ? That alone tells you enough

[@kevintheshane]

@@socialjihad5724 yeah especially when they fall into absurdist stuff like getting rid of gendered sports or putting a pause on sports until we figure it out. Sports has a tremendous about of utility. We want trans people to benefit from that utility too of course. But not at a huge cost to others. It’s a delicate problem with no easy solution. And certainly no solution is gonna come from the “lol sports ball” crowd.

[@scarletsletter4466]

Yes, male & female sports are different. Sometimes the differences actually make the female version more fun to watch, eg in tennis or gymnastics or softball

[@Kenshin6321]

Conservative Trump supporter here. I don't agree with everything Destiny says, but I do like the vast majority of this content. One thing Destiny does that many liberals don't is present his in an amicable, cordial, respectful manner. This guy came on here and accused Destiny of being vitriolic, then turns around and says "f*** your cult" lol. When Destiny speaks, he speaks in a way that makes you want to hear what he has to say. The other guy didn't offer much as a counter argument, he was just whining and complaining. And slight tangent, but I can't believe adults of the same species are debating about whether or not men and women are physically different. Humans are dimorphic species, which means there are noticeable physical differences between males and females. This has been known for all of human century, but in the past few years, somehow people have forgotten these basic biological facts. I could never do what Destiny does. I don't have the patience to treat adults with kid gloves.

[@whitegirlsaremykryptonite5779]

All these people give us (Destinys community) so much more power than we actually deserve. lol they make it seem like we’re out here mobbing and destroying lives at the snap of Steven’s finger lmaooo

[@Theyungcity23]

But people’s lives are destroyed by internet hate mobs

[@patternrecon5271]

Wikipedia: Finland: Sexual violence: Perpetrators: wow. BBC Sweden 58% foreinger. Ukrainian 18 year old Germany. Taharrush gamea. Marocchinate. New years eve Colonge Germany. Rotherham scandal. Manchester scandal. Rochdale scandal. West Yorkshire scandal. Newcastle scandal. Oxford scandal. Bradford scandal. Telford scandal. Aylesbury scandal. Huddersfield scandal. Zabihullah Mohmand Montana. Fort McCoy Afghans. Somali sweden 9 years old. Skaf gang australia. Simon Mol. Oulu scandal. Tapanila somali. Glasgow grooming gang. Ross Parker. Kriss Donald. Lara Logan Egypt. Temar Bishop. Morocco beheading. Greece Ahmed Waqas.

[@Michael-pr8wl]

we only destroy the lives of pixel dogs

[@roymarshall_]

@@Theyungcity23 ok what I am supposed to do with this extremely general piece of information

[@jayfron6012]

When they actually treat the Daliban like the actual Taliban

[@jcb5681]

17:50 this guy think women aren’t in the NBA because of “societal issues.” Can we please stop pretending these people aren’t insane? Because they quite obviously are.

[@thefluffythinker773]

People like him are perfectly willing to live a lie so that their utopia will be realised they're total psychopaths🤦‍♂️

[@bradmiles1984]

He's never watched a WNBA game in his life, the game is like half speed compared to the NBA.

[@swordyshield]

@@bradmiles1984 these people who say that stuff are legit clueless. Badminton tennis etc the difference in power and speed is so incredibly obvious that I cannot even understand the idea that someone would think its societal issues that prevent them from participating

[@bradmiles1984]

@@swordyshield Yep and the funny thing is most women athletes will flat out tell you that if they had to compete against men they'd be crushed in most sports. It's just scientific fact that men physiologically have an advantage in most sports. Only ones were it is even are sports of skill like pool, chess, competitive shooting, etc. Sports about skill and mental acuity it is a level playing field.

[@swordyshield]

@@bradmiles1984 yep. There is that one clip of the #1 female tennis player saying she would get mopped and people are still like.... Well its just societal pressure!

[@fundirams3240]

44:50 “I hope you come to realise that not everybody on the online left is crazy” Also him for an hour: Abolish women’s sports.

[@NozdormusRage]

First guy is so insanely passive-aggressive and blind. I honestly don't know how Destiny maintained his cool.

[@WanderTheNomad]

Probably cause he's experienced it a thousand times from other people. Just a guess

[@drawnsequence]

@@WanderTheNomad If anything, experiencing repeated ignorance regularly would make me less patient. I don't know how he manages to not blow up at these living tropes either.

[@Healcraft]

i sympathize with him but not on everything, I used to think the same thing about D, but honestly I think Destiny is the opposite of black pilled, i wish he was more black pilled.

[@SLRok]

I find it insane that were talking about giving kids puberty blockers and hormones to “affirm their gender identity”.

[@pinkystenis8247]

Just wondering what your medical/psychology degree dissertation was written on, and how long have you held a PhD in one of these fields?

[@beezowdoodoozoppitybopbopb9488]

​@@pinkystenis8247 What you just wrote is called an "appeal to authority" fallacy. I learned that in community college fwiw 😂

[@nerojay2105]

​@@beezowdoodoozoppitybopbopb9488 dudes name is a joke about "stinky penis" and he wants to know about your dissertation and PhD because you disagree with him 😂

[@PittbuII]

@@pinkystenis8247 listen to the experts 🤦‍♂️

[@mikelee9173]

​@Pinky Stenis the experts also said COVID vaccines would prevent transmission

[@treehann]

Why in the world are the people who accuse others of “always having to be right” always guilty of that exact same thing? It’s a really frustrating pattern I see in my real life, not even just online.

[@andreassandgren5506]

The strange thing about advocating for just having an open category because you're concerned about trans athletes being excluded, is that an open category would exclude biological women AND trans athletes from professional/high level sports.

[@paulchen6329]

its so insane that they dont even realize that LITERALLY NOTHING would change for trans athletes by degendering sports, since as of right now trans people are allowed to compete in "men sports" i.e the open category i.e the degendered category. at this point they cant not be trolling. people that dumb would surely not know how to turn any kind of electrical device on, right?

[@lilben4184]

whoa so all weaklings would be excluded? uhh hello based department?

[@Forkinpikey]

All major sports leagues are open to anyone. There's a reason no women or trans athletes have broken into the major leagues. And they have their own "women's league" restricted to only "women".

[@Gopherzooka]

The easiest answer to "there arent that many trans athletes" is: how many medals are there in the Olympics?

[@Observette]

Oooh good one! I’m gonna steal that.

[@halfbloodprincess989]

Scrolled down to find this comment. YES! I can't believe how many of these trans-activists talk like because trans people make up such a small percentage of the population it shouldn't be a big deal for them to compete in cis women's sports?

[@nunyabizz3357]

partial to "spots on the podium" myself

[@artschiloyan9101]

Yes, one thing people don’t understand is that the differences manifest in the extremes. So if you have one transgender woman competing in something then she’ll basically have blocked the top spot, then if you have two, the top two spots will be blocked and so on. I think they should make people who think this way play a game, whichever game that can have a top 3 with 3 prizes let’s say and then basically never hand out the top prize and that would be a good experiment on the motivational consequences this has and also on how fairness is being perceived…

[@timelapsega]

In situations where you cant make everyone happy it seems obvious to do the thing that makes the most people happy. Making things unfair for 100% of women in sports just to accommodate a tiny % of elite athletes in a very small demographic just seems crazy.

[@MrThatguyaaron]

I can understand knowing something and lying, but I can't understand people who neither give a fuck about sports nor understand basic strength differences between the sexes being so heavily invested in a non-issue that they come onto streams utterly unprepared and make fools of themselves.

[@Theyungcity23]

This is why Destiny has the reputation of having minions. You know Destiny doesn’t give af about sports either right?

[@Rewwgh]

It's called being ideologically possessed.

[@EmeraldEmsiron]

@Lydia I mean *most* of it does, theres still a good chunk of sexual dimorphism before puberty (not sure if its athletic or not, but I'd consider the having of a penis or vagina pretty dimorphic). though, if it can 100% remove any athletic advantages, it'd *likely* be ok. most of the debates before now dont revolve around trans individuals who have taken puberty blockers, in fact its been the opposite. I havent seen this video in particular yet, so if he says something stupid about puberty blockers in this video, well, itd surprise me

[@Puzzlesocks]

@Lydia No, it wouldn't. That would require normalizing giving puberty blockers to children (which do indeed have a lot of dangers) for no confirmed reason. I don't want to raise a generation of kids with early onset osteoporosis and inhibited brain development just because you want an extreme minority of trans people to join sport later on in life. I absolutely hate this fucking attitude of "the end justifies the means", as if there is a recognizable and clear 'end' to be reached. All you fucks care about is winning the war, and not what comes afterward.

[@gibson_smiles]

@Lydia Puberty blockers = grooming so the issue still remains.

[@lukaswithakay]

“Us Bernie bros” Conservatives and leftists all got trapped in a 2016 time vortex.

[@VestinVestin]

2016 is the Current Year. It will ALWAYS be... the Current Year. 😱

[@ijclnl48]

When he said that if only women and men were brought up in the same sports, there would be more parody among them.. women grow up playing basketball and running track and 100% of them are worse than 100% of men doing the same sports. It's really not even a conversation

[@MrTomaat23]

Nah it's just because society... 😂 I can't believe this is not the most know statistic out there. I mean i'm the least interested in sport, but thoroughly understand why sport are segregated. I also guess that many on the far left somehow don't understand how deeply rooted sport is in American society and how a transathlete outperforming women will always give enormous friction. In that regard i guess Destiny has it wrong and people arent all to happy with transkids in highschool sports either.

[@harlanhardway5955]

You can tell immediately when people have no experience in sports. I love sports, but have never competed at any kind of high level. I put the work in, I do my push-ups, I hustle. But 90% of men can literally get up off the couch, having not worked out in years, and be faster and stronger than me. When I was in high school the difference was absolutely immense. It's gotten slightly less as I've gotten older simply because the average guy who gets up off the couch at 30 might also have back pain and a knee injury. What really gets me about this whole discussion is that I will argue until my dying day that there IS variability in men and women. I am a tall woman who likes sports, so there ARE cases where I am better for the job than a man. Not because I am stronger, but because I am strong enough AND willing to put in the work. But athletics are a different thing entirely. Athletics are about peak performance. The STONGEST female boulderer. The one who blows all the other female competitors out of the water. She is known for being able to complete SOME male boulder problems. That's the bar. She is not competitive with the top men, she is just barely able to project some of the same problems as them.

[@johnatspray]

Totally agree. I’m a man I’m 47 I don’t really work out, I can still do 10 real deep pushups easily and 20 if needed without a pause. And I’m totally out of shape. We are just built different

[@bigpapi6688]

30 year old men aren’t senior citizens lol that’s a men’s athletic prime, even if they don’t work out. They don’t have back and knee problems😂

[@skuzzlebutt9745]

@@johnatspraymen and woman are equal there is no difference

[@skuzzlebutt9745]

@@bigpapi6688men and woman are equal there is no difference. Trans rights are human rights, a cis woman and trans woman are the exact same thing. Your telling me that ronda rousey wouldnt beat the crap out of conor mcgregor? There is no biological difference if the people work out hard their whole lives they will be equal trans rights are human rights. Gender segregation needs to be abolished in all sports mma on down

[@thosearentpillows5638]

@@skuzzlebutt9745lolololol😂

[@JimC607]

I find it funny how all these people have such "informed" opinions on sports and not one of them seems to be an athlete.

[@josevonbuergenwader2]

Do you have to be one? You can easily learn a lot about this stuff without ever participating in it directly. I don’t know what Destiny’s experience is with sports but it’s safe to say he is not currently an athlete yet he seems to be able to competently speak on this issue.

[@nick-ut7kx]

@@josevonbuergenwader2 Neither Destiny or the people he debates on this issue seem interested in sports/athletics outside of the trans debates

[@Crissybooable]

You don’t even have to be an athlete to understand any of this . And this guy tries To use big words to come across as intelligent . Just no

[@christophers707]

@@Crissybooable That's not Karl's point sure anyone can understand the difference in men and women in sports but you won't find a athlete say something so stupid as "men and women can compete in a sport requiring strength".

[@bradmiles1984]

@@christophers707 Look at even Tennis. The Williams sisters played a match against a guy ranked 264 in the men's tour. They lost 6-0 and 6-2. Serena in an interview said she'd never want to play Andy Roddick because he'd kill me. They are arguably the best female tennis players in history and were dominated by middling male player. There is a difference even in spots like tennis which aren't even combat sports. About the only sports it would be even are things like Chess or rifle shooting. Things where strength and stamina won't come into play.

[@westernman3290]

Trans people are never excluded from sports, they can always play in their biological category

[@dgulag3733]

Destiny's audience is quite reasonable and friendly. I don't understand how they get such a bad reputation..

[@canadianturtle7240]

Destiny's audience is some of the most braindead twitter-tards I've come across. You guys have absolutely zero social calibration whatsoever. How did you guys not see this coming? I'm honestly curious. Not just this trans issue, but the recent exposing of breadtubers/progressives like Vaush/Hasan. How were you people so dumb that you thought these 2 were once voices of reason? I've been watching Destiny for years, but I'm glad I never considered myself part of the fanbase.

[@Shams-fe6lq]

BINGQILIN

[@Gadfly333]

Because the other side literally can't see it from a different point of view... They're stuck.

[@Theyungcity23]

You can’t be serious

[@vafongoo]

Idk about that. Have you seen his chat?

[@Cowz19999]

"There are not enough trans people to start a league of their own". Then there also aren't enough trans people to cater to them or make this a big issue. They can continue to compete with the league based on their SEX. The leagues were split on sex, not gender. It only takes 1 trans dominating women's sports to cause an issue and destroy sports for women.

[@xXanderx87]

"Then there also aren't enough trans people to cater to them or make this a big issue. They can continue to compete with the league based on their SEX. The leagues were split on sex, not gender." This (first part) is an opinion- it has nothing to do with the proposition or counter. The second part is just stating the obvious. This statement is based on how you FEEL. "It only takes 1 trans dominating women's sports to cause an issue and destroy sports for women." - So we do it by sex. Then transmen start destroying women's sports. I dont really have a position on this or care either way, but both of your arguments are flawed. Unless your position is that transpeople shouldn't compete at all.

[@Cowz19999]

@@xXanderx87 " So we do it by sex. Then transmen start destroying women's sports." Exactly. Let's do that. They choose to take hormone suppressors, let them suffer the consequences of their choices, like everybody else does. I think you meant "transwomen", btw. Transmen would still have no chance against cis men. "I dont really have a position on this or care either way, but both of your arguments are flawed. Unless your position is that transpeople shouldn't compete at all." Based on what logic? I said the competitions are based on sexual differences so each sex should compete within their own category. Do you have issues with reading? Males compete with other males, females compete with other females. Is this concept hard for you to grasp? On my first argument, if you are such a small minority that you can't even justify your own league, why are we even talking about this? I have vitiligo, a similar prevalence rate as trans. Why should normal people adapt to me? Why should they cater to me? We make up such a small percentage. Accept you are abnormal and move on. Stop being an absolute b*tch about it.

[@dickgrason2688]

@@xXanderx87 not really, trans men would never pass a drug test and would never be able to play

[@xXanderx87]

@@dickgrason2688 that's another topic. And a worthy discussion . But if we are just abiding by "sort it by sex" you end up with trans men in women's sports .

[@slibbs2869]

6:46 the dude literally makes the Trump “we need to ban these Muslim countries until we can figure out what the hell is going on” argument

[@wyattshoemaker7018]

The whole time when he said he “plays music” I was begging to the lord that he wasn’t going to be yet another embarrassment to the metal genre but here we are.

[@Ensyd]

Bro this guys is either rocking with a room temp IQ or he is in complete denial.

[@chiefnama790]

Could still be both, even dumb people can be in denial.

[@CuShorts]

cluster b usually manifests as disingenuousness or ridiculously poor and unreasonable argumentation

[@Smayor75]

The moment he said he didn’t know if women would be systematically beat by men in most sports I understood he was not willing to have a open and honest conversation.

[@leotamer5]

Not the "you're are a cult leader"

[@__Jah__]

"ANY GROUP THAT IS NOT MY GROUP IS A CULT, MY GROUP IS NOT A CULT THOUGH" ffs so many people need to look in the mirror it's insane

[@godwinwong2809]

I can't believe he called Destiny a cult leader. I for one will be bringing this up in our weekly Shia Labeouf movie watching marathon/suicide pact meeting.

[@davidrodkey8660]

Wow Destiny im growing to enjoy the gentle public shaming you provide. I cant believe im this late to the party. Didnt like you at first but ive grown. Your debating skills are next level. THOROUGH

[@onlyeveryone2253]

Imagine walking up to a top female athlete and telling them they are not as good as men just because social stuff. He is acting like cis women do not even try.

[@emperortgp2424]

That's because everytime a girl is born, Mr. Patriarchy is personally there to snatch away any agency she will ever have

[@miguelzavaleta1911]

Let's not do this bad faith stuff, pls. It's frustrating when people do it to Destiny, let's not play into it.

[@onlyeveryone2253]

@@miguelzavaleta1911 I don't find my content bad faith. I do not think most people who see my comment thinks he actually believes women are retarded children who cannot do sports right. It just kinda is the implication of the arguments he has stumbeled upon without thinking too deeply about them.

[@artschiloyan9101]

@@miguelzavaleta1911 That is being implied though. If it’s not bad faith then it’s ignorance.

[@cosettapessa6417]

@@artschiloyan9101 true

[@mrman-yj3bn]

"You're opinion on trans sports is wrong.... what sport do I play? I don't do sports lol, their boring" every trans sports advocate ever.

[@shanemac1646]

I’m not even opposed to letting trans woman In. I am opposed to lying and this dude couldn’t stop

[@beanybabyrabie]

Damn, man really said he doesn’t give a shit about women’s opportunities and scholarships and literally chose men in skirts over his own daughter LMAO wtf

[@kryhmeworld1843]

This conversation is exhausting. Anyone who thinks the 1% should be accommodated over biological Women is crazy. Also it'd be much much better for women athletes to discuss the subject instead of these losers.

[@ElCatrinMuerto]

13:30 Right away when he said start with sports that are not full contact sports you know he is lying to himself and everyone else. He was fighting that little part of his mind where some common sense still exists but it managed to pull through at least the realization that contact sports is probably not a great idea.

[@MUSHROOMAN4]

Tell me you’ve never competed athletically in you’re life without telling me.

[@scarletsletter4466]

This was painful to listen to as a female athlete. Notice how it's always so-called progressive males who are advocating to eliminate female sports & other female spaces. Don't you think if there were no differences, we'd be playing in male leagues & wouldn't need female leagues? I played NCAA tennis & I can tell u that at higher levels, women's tennis is a completely different sport than men's. The Williams sisters & Navratilova have said that, almost word-for-word. We used to give tennis camps to hs boys & practice with them. Their serves were so much more powerful, they could easily win against some of the best college girls in the country

[@bradmiles1984]

Yep Serena said it before "If I played Andy Roddick he'd kill me"

[@mysticonthehill]

Well just want to chirp in that while it might always be lefties, there are lefties with you. Like myself and appreciate women's sports and their right to them.

[@alsalcal]

"These women are gonna do it no matter what". 99.999% of "terfs" i know were at one point trans allies until their boundaries were crossed without care. Many vocally advocated for trans rights until TRAs started insisting they could only have rights by removing womens rights. Destiny is spot on. Love, A terf

[@Strawn149]

Fellow TERF here

[@ezu5131]

Man that's really the kicker. People can't understand why they start to get pushback on these issues when their takes are so unhinged. Just blame the "patriarchy" or some other conveniently intangible boogeyman.

[@nomduclavier]

I feel for his daughter if he thinks excluding all women is worse than excluding all transwomen. Hm, wonder why they're considered more important?

[@derekcampbell4209]

“Let’s just abolish sports until we can figure it out”….. Jesus Christ…. I’m not some meat head jock athlete but imagine banning sports or any league from playing while this gets sorted out. I’m sure the very tiny amount of trans people would LOVE their respective sports and fellow teammates and athletes to not be able to play/make money because of this… No way that backfires and makes people resent or dislike trans people.

[@Yoshimitsu4prez]

My god this guy is insane, he doesn’t give a fuck about anyone except trans woman athletes specifically

[@reenamola2162]

there's men and there's women but you're right he is insane

[@Horizon0505iije]

This guy never played sports. I kickbox and mma. I Spar with women in the gym too. It’s way different when I spar with men. Men throw harder punch. They have better techniques. Their reflex is much quicker. Omg I’m a leftist but those kind of people really made me wanna leave the left

[@keycuz]

The people pushing for this craziness are neither gay, dysphoric or left wing. Attacking language, removing safeguards for women and children is not fighting for equality.

[@TheJackofMars]

Give in Destiny. Start a cult!

[@onionfarmer3044]

Vaush is beating him to it.

[@Tavat]

I’ve seen hundreds of Destiny debates. And honestly, this is among the most impressive. The amount of restraint he had for all of this guy’s consistent unhinged demeanor and blanket insults. And the perfect retorts and turns of conversation and Socratic thought experiments-I’ve always been impressed, but he kinda leveled up for me for this one. I thought it would go south early, but he made it into some quality content. 👍

[@Anonymous-ks8el]

This guy is so far behind the curve of the trans-issues and unaware of the Twitch environment that it's not worth talking with him until he gets up to date You either spend most of your time filling in his knowledge gaps that he fights you on or have to re-tread years of discourse he will largely ignore because it's not current

[@tezwah5651]

2 seconds is all it takes to confirm the body fat situation. This guy laughs in his face when it's mentioned. Another demonstration of these people judging information based on their narrative rather than any actual understanding.

[@jayfron6012]

These people are such narcissists “When you say something that gets blasted out, the politics space is gonna have to do something about it”

[@craigpoer]

Do they really believe there is no difference between male and female? I was always told I was stupid if I said something dumb. Maybe the past was just mean. The earth is still flat I hope

[@sb848]

Karenesque

[@bkrich]

I wonder how this guy would feel if his daughter who trained in swimming all her life and came in second place to Lia Thomas and otherwise she would have be first place. I’ll guess he would feel different about inconveniencing a few women in sports to cater to the minority of trans women that want to compete at a high level in woman sports if it effects him personally.

[@moralapostel]

There's even worse scenarios that can be constructed from this. Imagine getting pushed out of a podium finish, maybe a requirement for a scholarship, because of a transwoman who mopped the floor with the competition. It can change the whole trajectory of your life.

[@bkrich]

@@moralapostelYeah you’re right

[@swordyshield]

@@moralapostel and then people will just say stuff like "well that woman would have only been #15 anyway that's not impressive or close enough to get a medal so who cares if they lose their place" its crazy the lack of understanding

[@learn-about-God]

Sports are segregated by sex, not the far leftist definition of 'gender'. If your sex is male, you participate in male sports and visa versa. Why is this even an issue? If people actually cared about those with identity dysphoria / dysmorphia they would push for them to get the psychiatric help they need.

[@DiggerJoseph]

There is only one argument here. MLB, NFL, NBA, none of them have a sex or gender requirement. You can be a woman and participate in these sports. So, why aren't there any?

[@DF-we4pt]

Because society bro

[@johnwinchester6934]

I have a genuine question. Have people convinced themselves reality is different than it actually is? Or do the people that argue these points just have never played competitive sports so they are ignorant? As someome who played collegiate basketball in NAIA the majority of large aau/ highschool boys teams would demolish even the best womens collegiate programs.

[@scarletsletter4466]

Idk, but I'm wondering the same thing. Why are so many of these guys denying reality? I played college tennis & we'd do high school camps & practice with hs boys. These boys had serves so much more powerful they could win against some of the best college women in the country. Don't u think if we were physically capable of playing against men, we'd be playing in the open leagues where the big money is?

[@magicdragon9621]

@@scarletsletter4466 Exactly. This is stuff we shouldn't even have to have a conversation about because it's obvious. They had to have never actually competed against women physically in anything, which is kinda worrying that it's misinformed their perception of women's strength so much

[@johnwinchester6934]

@@scarletsletter4466 That reminds me of that David Letterman clip where Serena Williams said she wouldn't score a point against Murray and that men's vs women's tennis is basically a different sport. Both Letterman and the audience were like in disbelief hearing that. Then didn't people freak out when McEnroe said she wouldn't score a point against the lowest ranked atp man?

[@killer3000ad]

That is the current trend these past few years. Trans advocates are screeching that transwomen are women and should be allowed into traditionally women-only spaces.

[@william4996]

My fiance is 2 inches shorter than me and weighs 20 pounds less than me. We are both slightly overweight. We both did some weight lifting and did the same amount of sports at the same times in our lives. We've goofed around and wrestled before and compared our strength and speed. I absolutely destroy her in every single comparison. I truly think these people have never interacted with the opposite gender in any competitive way, even on a tiny scale like this.

[@TomT-ru8wz]

“Trans people don’t feel real good about what you’re saying, so let’s concede women’s athletics to them” ..What

[@callmedoc6294]

I don't think this dude understands that it only takes ONE person to take first place. ONE unfair advantage can topple an entire competition.

[@bradmiles1984]

Lia is proof of tha or look at transgender women setting world records in powerlifting or those in track.

[@pinkystenis8247]

​@@bradmiles1984 I guess you missed the trans powerlifter who didn't get gold at the Olympics. Actually... Can you name any trans Olympic gold medalist?

[@bradmiles1984]

@Pinky Stenis you do realize world records are often set outside of the Olympics? There were multiple records set in pro female powerliftong by Trans athletes, which then the governing body revoked. One record was set literally less than a couple months ago. It was reported in many news outlets.

[@bradmiles1984]

@Pinky Stenis no I can't name any because they are much more highly regulated in the Olympics then most pro organizations. Also most world records aren't done in the Olympics especially when it comes to powerlifting. None of what you said invalidates my statement.

[@coltonfrancis9726]

@@pinkystenis8247 that person wouldn’t have even fucking qualified for the men’s league, and took a woman’s spot (who trained HER whole life to be there)

[@Winasaurus]

It's actually pathetic how they can't defend their positions on their merits for more than 2 seconds. Immediately deferring to "But the humanity" and "But there's so few of them anyway" and "I just think how you said it was mean". Also, "If there's so few of them they won't affect sports", do you not see how that is the identical argument to "Trans people shouldn't be allowed to play ANY sports, period. What's the big deal, there's so few of them, they won't affect sports." How can you be complaining that trans people in sports is such a big issue you have to literally destroy millenia old judging methods, and then in the next breath say they're not a big deal at all, and won't even affect sports whatsoever?

[@bradmiles1984]

It only takes 1 to effect a competition. Lia is proof of that. That one person taking 1st bumps everyone else down a spot. In sports where winning makes the difference on things like making the olympics or going into pro sports that's not fair.

[@SuperVigormortis]

I refuse to believe he just casually said that her 13 y old daughter has trans friends. How does a 13 year old know anything about that without being indoctrinated?

[@phignewt1038]

42:24: I’ve got a short story about that. I’ve run track for about 10 years. Started in 6th grade and took it up to college. During college I met a young lady that ran the same events I did and she’s been training to run track since she was about 6 or 7 years old. I’m maybe about an inch and a half taller than her so we’re hitting around the same ish size. In college I missed the off season practices so I can work on keeping up my academics, but she never misses an off season. During the start of the season we train together and I’m leaving her in the dust as if I’ve still been conditioned and she’s been the one slacking. She’s a phenomenal runner and among the best we had on our team, and always in the first heat making great times. I’m a part of the second heat team… I made decent times but aggressively mediocre compared to my other male competitors. She’s had tremendously more training than I’ve had and I could beat her in a race without issue. This guys argument that if women were training in similar sports up and around the same time the males were, it’s just so wrong.

[@jetjet6560]

That walkback at the end of their conversation, perfecto!

[@jeremias-serus]

Confidence. Something most of these online losers lack.

[@opmike343]

Imagine working for decades to get leagues set up for women to have a place to compete, and then us tossing all of that aside in the name of "progress."

[@badmuddafadda]

And, if a woman does any pushback that means she’s a literal Nazi.

[@bigpapi6688]

It’s like the process circle. They’ve become so “progressive” that they’re really just regressing

[@TheEvilKingStan]

I love how these people work themselves up when talking about Destiny and when they finally come in hot to dunk on him, he calmly engages with them and makes attempts to cool the conversation down to the point where they relax on their stance of him. It's almost like the perception of Destiny is triggering to them yet when they come face-to-face with that entity they realize that he's a rational human being capable of having a casual dialogue over a disagreement. Maybe he's not the most toxic part of twitch.

[@SFTNReviews]

People who suffer from an incredibly rare condition such as being trans are just shit out of luck on sports and other metrics where they want to compete against their cis counterparts, just like people who are disabled in some way. If they really want to compete, let them compete against males. The male category was left open for a reason. This way, women get a place to play, and those trans people can still compete. The whole trans argument is becoming like the systemic racism argument. It'll never actually help the people it's meant to help, but it will create career opportunities for all the rich spoiled brats coming out of university who don't actually want to do anything more than argue on the internet.

[@SFTNReviews]

@Lydia do you know what the word condition means? please don't type before you look it up. Being straight is a condition.

[@MrDCbro]

22:20 That's probably the most important reason trans women need to stop fighting to compete in women's sport, it's only causing more hate toward the trans community (most importantly including the trans who don't advocate for trans women in women sport). And if you hold the position women should compete in men's sports, than it shouldn't be wrong to advocate trans women to compete in men's sport, not because they aren't women, because they're better than women, or how ever you want to frame it, I have no issue with anyone who is proud to be their gender whether they are cis or not. forcing people to be proud for you is like forcing someone to love you.

[@Paragonofcynicism]

Anytime someone says "it's a small number of people so they won't take up the whole sport" you should respond that the same can be said about the population of professionals. The population of professional athletes is less than 1% of the population of athletes playing the sport. Not JUST 1% of the population, but less than 1% of a subset of the population. So it's silly to bring up how trans people are such a small amount of people. Well if 1% is an accurate representation of trans people guess what, in America that's 3.5 million people, 1.75 million trans women. That's enough to fill multiple times the position of every single professional female athletic position.

[@ashrasmun1]

First video I've ever watched from Destiny - I have never subbed so quickly. I'm excited to see what's coming next. I dig your conversation style wholeheartedly and I understand the struggle when you try to keep composure when you strongly disagree with the opposing side.

[@mysteryunwrapped]

Hi, far right Trump supporter here. I’m becoming a destiny fan, because you/he is logical and rational, accepts truth over emotions. This is a core tenant of civilization, and a fleeting trait of today’s youth. So, while I disagree on some of your views, I respect you overall and enjoy listening to your debates. With that said, I’ve yet to hear your position on the second amendment (I’m sure it’s out there I just havnt seen it yet). I believe firmly the second amendment is the only thing standing in the way of complete global tyranny. How? Simple: After WW2, all nations of the world chose between two alpha nations to emulate: the USSR and USA. Countries that wanted to work with the USA had to be capitalist, not tyrannical, or we’d not trade with them to some extent (some exceptions do apply). So, the freedom in the USA spread to other nations that wanted to work/partner with us. Thus, the only thing preventing the entire world from adopting Soviet style communism was a free America. Since a free America was/is required to stop global communist soviet style dictatorships, the thing that keeps America free from government tyranny is actually the thing that keeps the western world free: the second amendment. How? If the federal government were to be taken over by a communist political party for example, it knows it would not be able to gain complete control without a massacre and a civil war. This is what prevents the Biden administration from taking peoples property and redistributing it to their voters for example. The outcome would be so disastrous, it would be political suicide if not actual suicide. So, the second amendment is what keeps this country free, and this country being free is what keeps other western nations free. As America goes, so goes the world. Since communism killed about 100m in the 20th century, despite only being in some nations, the potential for harm without a second amendment is significantly higher than with an armed population. If America loses its freedom, millions will die in various western countries. Why? Because that is how communism operates, through democide and coercion. This has been observed in the following examples: USSR, China, Cambodia, Venezuela, Cuba and more. You don’t think it can happen here, and it can’t so long as we keep the second amendment. Just throwing that out there, as in well caffeinated today.