The 4B Movement And Feminist Standing Ten Toes - Must Watch

[@butterbeantv]

Do some people think 4B is a bargaining chip? I see it as "we don't need you and we don't want you; we out" - no negotiation necessary.

[@MarkieMcG.]

NONE.

[@xxwoman]

Exactly. It’s not performative in the “look at what you men are missing out on” sense … it’s turning our back on them completely and forever.

[@kayshawnsimmons5585]

💯💪🏾🥰

[@paracoco1761]

They assume that because they were trying to use MGTOW as a bargaining chip.

[@user-qi7o0dr54h8rq]

In Korea, there is a culture of couples paying double bills for dating accounts, IVF treatment fees, and postpartum care expenses. Some even require women to pay all IVF treatment costs. OECD ranks first in the gender wage gap, and men are last in housework. Even if divorced, the man remains the mother. If you return your assets and say you have no money, it's the end haha.

[@blaqbeauty85]

Considering the current dating climate (trash) we were already headed towards the 4B movement anyway. Men kept telling women to choose better so now we are.

[@michaeljohnson-ym8zp]

Black women in the Western world- Western Europe, Canada, USA, Caribbean South America should have done this a decade ago.

[@LoveK1]

Yep! I blame a lot of that on religions though. That definitely helped keep us asleep.

[@kayshawnsimmons5585]

A lot of us have tho

[@deamorebeaute2412]

We've literally been fending for ourselves for centuries. Unlike, non-black women, we didn't have the privilege to choose to be independent from our male constituents.

[@jainthorne4136]

@ville__ Which gets you NOTHING.

[@silververnallbells191]

@@deamorebeaute2412 Yes, you did you just chose not to.

[@catorce9027]

The young lady at 11:32 does not realize that it’s actually MORE expensive to be in a relationship. Being with a man requires more hygiene care, gyno visits, food, cleaning supplies,……

[@talkingtochapri]

And also if you ever got pregnant is over $500000 😅 plus you have see him becoming a fast food employee 😂 and if the dude ran away after making you pregnant which they always, women are shamed for being a single mother as well.

[@thandompm5ex]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 YOU ARE 100% CORRECT. I FOUND THIS OUT MYSELF 😅😅😅

[@thandompm5ex]

Plus mental health deteriorates.

[@TheOriginalScorpioBelle]

Don’t forget time and how they literally suck the life out of you.

[@Angbwillinspireu]

Years off your life; single-married living and raising children you did or didn't want to have, but did it because that's our perceived patriarchal prescribed lot in life.

[@jenbodhi1133]

It doesn’t matter if it’s big in Korea, we’ll be making it big worldwide

[@hardcandy71287]

exactly. people are saying it's not big in the country it originated in. so? it's in america now. and people all over the world always have eyes on america.

[@jenbodhi1133]

@@hardcandy71287 exactly

[@mindingmybusiness3915]

they act like we care ok and? I still been it in years we do this for ourselves not if other people going to do it.

[@LisaSoulLevelHealing]

​@@hardcandy71287 we go first, the others get the strength to follow....and so it is.

[@dawtalk.xtaycassomadethat]

EXACTLY. the men already mad. it’s already working!!!

[@mizzmolly7649]

I never understood what the attractiveness was of being a wife and mother. I'm now 62. I guess I'm a woman ahead of her time.

[@talkingtochapri]

How do you feel now? Did you have fun in young age? What would you advice young woman 🧐

[@Hybrid_The_Hero]

Lesbians don't really have that same maternal instinct

[@MalesAreDemons]

@@Hybrid_The_HeroMost women aren’t lesbians nice try

[@brunoqnzbk7891]

​@@Hybrid_The_HeroI'm sure women often tell you they are lesbians. 😂 That's the go-to for unattractive men to not bother them.

[@UseYourVoices]

I'm 64, and I'm the same as you. Never wanted any part of marriage or kids. It's a no-win situation for a woman.

[@childfreechick2980]

I don’t think it’s a miniscule movement in Korea…I think it’s just a quiet movement and they don’t speak on it, just act. Every Korean platform I’ve come across speaks on how problematic men are in Korea. It’s definitely not small. They’re just trying to downplay it.

[@holly.sketches.melancholy]

Its really telling that men would rather let humans go extinct before treating women with respect

[@augustG.I.F]

That part!!

[@Hopdog230]

They don’t see women as humans. They are staying on code. If women still choose to deal with them then that’s on them. Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results.

[@stopthelightskinguilt.3775]

They are going to change. They just don’t feel or see the affects of it. When the numbers start reflecting they will have absolutely no choice. This is nature just resetting itself back to normal.

[@brooksnathaniel09]

What is it that men have that women are not allowed to have. What is considered "respect" is opinion based. I'm married and my opinion is this movement is not respectful to men, but I wouldn't label women as a group as not respectful to men. Im hoping for your sakes this is a passing thing. There will always be enough women who dont participate or who participate partially that men will be mostly unaffected by this movement If this suits you for the remainder of your lives, so be it. But likely you will see the harm you've caused yourselves in lost time and opportunities when this movement inevitably ends.

[@brooksnathaniel09]

@@augustG.I.F well, unlike yourself and many of todays women, a man like myself cares for more than just his own well being. I care for the community and the overall society. You're welcome to care for only yourself if you like, but leave the potential good women out of it and keep it to yourself.

[@kaylad1669]

Ppl need to STOP trying to discredit the movement simply bc they don’t agree or don’t want to participate. Also, they keep spreading misinformation about the movement and making up their own idea about it instead of actually reading!! Women are tired of risking their lives and sacrificing for a group of people who have always devalued them and their humanity. It’s more than, “oh he doesn’t buy me flowers every Tuesday so I’m not getting married” 🙄 like please bffr!!!! Women want to LIVE and be HAPPY! They need to STOP projecting their own need for male validation and partnership onto ppl who have made up their minds that they want no parts!!!

[@kaylad1669]

@ville__ that’s not true, but also you can’t beat my pew pew 🔫

[@T_Cup]

@ville__ Yeah, you're crazy we get it

[@brunoqnzbk7891]

​@ville__ It's crazy that your male strength is no match for my red nose pit bull. I walk him every day, and it's comical how fast tough guys like you run in fear.😂

[@Beauweir]

​@ville__I bet my female karate Sensei could kick your ass

[@worldadventuretravel]

@@brunoqnzbk7891 No need to bring innocent animals into this mess, bully breeds are already the worst exploited and most tortured of all dog breeds. They are not there to be anyone's war dogs.

[@skyfalldeadpool1633]

The internet talk? Sir the governments accross the globe are freaking out we dont wanna become baby factories 😂😂😂😂. Trust women when they put a mind to something we are not all about talk. We can go extinct immediately and watch and find out

[@ovehernandez2708]

The world is not freaking out only white Western countries are freaking out because the white population is in decline & in white Western country the fear of being overrun by quote on quote undesirable people aka non white people or people of color as they say in the west& being a minority in there own country has white folk freaking out & doing crazy things to stop it from happening

[@raymondomollo6748]

A human being who bleeds once a month, can breast feed and nourish an infant and pees while seated is a baby making machine. Stop the cap😂😂

[@IHB344]

The woman with the braids is giving pick me. She doesn't think women can survive without men?

[@jenbodhi1133]

She’s still brainwashed

[@Key-Key444]

Yea talking about “he’s going to harm you” 😂 like we do not owe men our bodies & they better learn self control and keep that thing in their pants.

[@jenbodhi1133]

@@Key-Key444 exactly

[@the8thchurch461]

She is male centered.

[@MzRiley1272]

Exactly! If the economy takes a turn, smart women would be better off living with other women. There are ways around it. 😝

[@DeannaJacksonDJsDelectables]

Awww. Look at all the pick-me's downplaying the effects of the 4B movement. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 We don't need all women to participate. Just enough. Also, it's moved beyond South Korea and taking on a life on its own overseas.

[@demigoddess3311]

Even their offsprings will find a way to end pickmesha cycle 4b will break that 😅

[@l.b.1023]

Right. I think It's been a collective consciousness amongst women globally, it just finally has a name.

[@demigoddess3311]

@@l.b.1023 so true

[@akinazara]

Exactly

[@worldadventuretravel]

@ville__ It's crazy how you think that is going to make women want you when the only thing women have ever needed protection from is men. You're basically selling the same racket as the mafia and thinking that's a winning strategy.

[@Cateyes767]

I look at numbers, not opinions. The birth rate is going down. Also, I'm always suspect of conservative women who use the word "misandrist"

[@DeannaJacksonDJsDelectables]

Same. It's immediately sus.

[@kpopisawesome9343]

Can you give me the website where it show you the birthrates going down i want to screenshot it

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

Internalized misogyny

[@aidenplaysandmore6273]

What are the characteristics of a misandrist? The word wouldn't even come up in spell check 😂. Does she beat a man for refusing her advances ans all the other insufferable actions that women tolerated for centuries. Show me 1 woman that hasn't suffered at the hands of a man.....

[@LElCoolP]

@@kpopisawesome9343just google image search 🎉

[@airdnaxela420]

Lmao 🤣 people talk about how it can’t happen but it’s already happened in tribes in Africa. There are tribes of women who LITERALLY DO NOT ALLOW MEN INTO THEIR AREA, due to the horrible treatment they received. It’s already happened, already sustainable and it does work. The men who want to be with women choose to go to those tribes and follow their ways of being.

[@user-cn1ci5bu2t]

Wait where? We need this everywhere 😩

[@07Flash11MRC]

Exactly. We need this everywhere. If any gender should be in power, it's women! Men always just end up bringing us w@r, misery and de@th.

[@Just.Ashley.S]

True, I seen a video on KZbin about that a few years ago.

[@cocoace7587]

Wait , wait , they've been doing this a few years . And , also made a safe place for women . Wow , I am impressed. 🎉❤

[@raymondomollo6748]

With all due respect don't get it twisted, there are no tribes of women in Africa. I am African living in the continent so I should know. What you are alluding to and they are rare are communes that are women only. Doesn't mean they don't have relations with other people from the outside.

[@totesmcgoats435]

In America, if women did band together to continue this movement, the heterosexual male population would experience the 5 stages of grief before a shift in behavior could occur: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance

[@amberinthemist7912]

We're definitely at anger stage.

[@WynnWynn-gl3fk]

@@amberinthemist7912they are always angry over nothing so it is another reason to join 4B

[@amberinthemist7912]

@WynnWynn-gl3fk true!

[@cocoace7587]

We aren't concerned IF their behavior change. We just don't care anymore 🤷. They should date each other & leave the middle woman out of it . 😅

[@vltruan]

MGTOW has existed for a while now. The difference is men are not dependent on women . Women are still dependent on male labor, wherever they want to acknowledge it, or not. It’s fine if you don’t a man in you’re life, just be realistic about it though.

[@night2102]

To that one lady who said oh I think it's going to get worse before it gets better. Yes, that's how change works. Things normally get worse before they get better. And everybody who's in this movement knows that. And don't care. At some point humans have to evolve. And this may be the next set of evolution.

[@chery4]

It’s not just internet talk. The birth rate is going down

[@alyboo9507]

Right! ... because A LOT of women in America have already been doing this for years without the label! 🙋🏽‍♀️💃🏿

[@the8thchurch461]

​@@alyboo9507Good! This world is not worth supporting with our wombs. It doesn't deserve that. Too misogynistic and not safe for kids. Then wars are started and your beautiful boys are sent to fight and get killed.

[@hardcandy71287]

we have to show them more than we tell them. that's the only way they'll take it seriously.

[@DeannaJacksonDJsDelectables]

It's going down on a global scale.

[@restlessfae2407]

I think the movement can happen. If women who are on board stick to it and not get distracted. As with war, movements also have casualties. We've seen it throughout history. But that doesn't mean that the movement will or can end. Listen up, this is possibly what the men in power will try. 1. implement religion hardcore style. 2. Will probably use the pickmes to try and change other women's minds 3. Or worse the S/A rampage they talk about on social media 4. Will try and manipulate women with more maternity leave, better healthcare for new mothers, and a paycheck just to have a child. Stuff like that. 5. Change the age limit of consent nationwide and target the underage girls. 6. Unalive women in droves. ( mostly targeting older women). Becausde they will think we are the problem.

[@HonestTimes]

Bravo women for standing up for yourselves! Be selfish! ❤❤❤

[@ntuthukomdluli-pd9jv]

Are asian men also not good ppl

[@krbyp8092]

omgg thank you 🙏🙏❤ it's about time we put ourselves first & foremost. The males can come in second (or not at all) 😊

[@Angbwillinspireu]

Yeeeeessssah 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉💃🏾💃🏾💃🏾💃🏾👑🌼📚👩🏿‍🎓💪🏿🥳❤️💯

[@rainbeauxunicorn5237]

Did she say it’s “cheaper” to be in a relationship?!?! 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫 what?

[@kayshawnsimmons5585]

😳🤡🤛🏾

[@cocoace7587]

She's in a fantasy world where men actually work a full-time job . And spend money on his family & not his side chick or side men . 😂 # girl wake up

[@TheOriginalScorpioBelle]

Not mentally, spiritually or emotionally cheaper. Did she forget about those costs?

[@lovejones4024]

😅😅

[@kayshawnsimmons5585]

@@TheOriginalScorpioBelle Right! 💯

[@alwaysmisscee]

Korean women are moving in silence...

[@Key-Key444]

I have 2 and I fully support what’s in the best interest of women. Men be out here clowning ( for no reason)💔

[@annmarieknapp]

Its very expensive to have kids in America, but they don't offer us real money or assistance.

[@BeeGeeTee]

Not even maternal leave! How insane is that?

[@BeeGeeTee]

@ville__ ???

[@annmarieknapp]

@ville__ It's crazy how uncool that statement is. Do you want us to give you an award because you were born with a body that in adulthood has a bigger frame with more muscle on it compared to an adult female frame and can use the frame to hurt other people? Because I don't even get why you would post this?

[@silververnallbells191]

@@BeeGeeTee He's spamming the comments.

[@night2102]

I have been saying this for years for people who are pro-life. They're only pro-life when it's in the mother. But as soon as the child is born they disappear. There's no government assistance outside of welfare. There's no benefits to the mother like she's not giving a set amount for 18 years. There's no guarantee that the child's father will stay. He can leave whenever he wants and there's no consequences for him outside of child support. And even then he could not keep a job just so he doesn't have to pay $20 a month. What are the incentives for somebody to have a child in 2024?. I don't see any

[@cocoace7587]

I think those 2 women downplaying the 4B are the PAID ops 😅. Zero first graders in 150 schools , yea , no one in Korea is " really , really " doing it . 😂❤ Ladies, keep yourselves FIRST , do what's best for you . That's allllll we want for each other . 💃💯 It may look different for different people . 🎉❤

[@ineedhoez]

9:56 - Strap up ladies. Sister, we can couple up with one another platonicly. You can have roommates.

[@rainbeauxunicorn5237]

I literally read several articles about Koreas 4B movement. Some had to be translated. So these women talking about their is no Korean woman saying this…. Um… yes they are. They Korean women YOU know aren’t the ones these articles are rallying about. So no sht they don’t know about it. No one said it was a major movement. No one said most Korean women are practicing. YALL are saying that based on…😒TT. A simple search will tell you about the movement. As for the govt having all those programs to entice women to have babies… WHY DO YOU THINK THAT Is?!?!?! It ain’t because women still want to have babies and raise families. There IS a 4B movement in Korea. If YOURE a Korean woman and don’t know about it, it’s because you’re a “pick me.”

[@BbbAaa-yq5pm]

No. because korwan men want have a baby and the korea government wants to increase the population.😅 This is why the government encourages korean men to BUY a Southeast Asia women. that program is not for korean women.

[@newstart1847]

The video of the girl in braids is a pick me talking about how woman will settle once the economy hits and men will “take it” if turned down … she’s speaking for herself about settling for money and economy because some woman would rather struggle alone than be with a man that does nothing for them 🤷‍♀️..

[@opalviking]

7:56 She sounds like she’s playing both sides, waiting to see how ish goes. I don’t trust her

[@azureavocado5195]

9:16 this one is even worse.

[@kayshawnsimmons5585]

. agree with you

[@dawtalk.xtaycassomadethat]

i posted a video on my main channel and a women in Canada said she was apart!!! it’s WORLDWIDE already! it can’t be stopped.

[@kayshawnsimmons5585]

4B WORLD 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾💯💪🏾🥰

[@mushK1LLA]

From Finland here💃

[@lovejones4024]

Who cares how they feel about it now, women over here not playing around and are serious about..and rightfully so. Thanks for the idea though 😅

[@soybeans8139]

I think it’s great. I can’t be in it, but I will definitely support it. I think that it’s time that the collective of people understand who their creators are, and that fact alone deserves respect. I’m not sure why some people are against it, there will still be enough women that want to interact, date and marry men. The women in the movement think men are a lost cause and don’t expect them to change, so everyone can live their lives in peace. The young lady that spoke about getting into a couple because of economics, women don’t have to live with men, they can live with other women to cut costs if necessary.

[@hardcandy71287]

that just goes to show that she is male centered. if i need help with bills, i'm finding a female roommate. what do i need a man for in that regard? absolutely nothing.

[@LisaSoulLevelHealing]

​@@hardcandy71287and for me being a single mom, I will find another single mom - we can share child watching

[@cocoace7587]

Exactly. Like a whole man is not like having 2 bad kids in one . 😢 # no thanks . I would move home before I take care of a grown man . 😔

[@l.b.1023]

Its not always cheaper to be in a relationship. The girl with the braids had a childish take

[@kaylad1669]

Historically it’s NOT cheaper for blk women at all. They are like 60% more likely to be the breadwinner in the household vs other races. So nah.

[@Aja-Christian]

Here's my take on the sister with the braids towards the middle: 1st and foremost, even though the 4B movement itself is new, there is no doubt in my mind that women throughout history have been fighting against the patriarchy and trying to find ways to revoke men's access to them all over the world. The concept of women trying to separate themselves from the patriarchy and men's entitlement towards women is not some new fangled 21st century idea. And as far as men's reactions to the 4B movement not being "pleasant". . .IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE!! Can anyone think of ANY point in history where the oppressed ONLY retaliated and ONLY took a stand when it was convenient for the oppressors and the latter was like "Oh, okay, I gotchu, we'll back off, our bad"?? If my ancestors only fought back against slavery because they thought that the slave masters were going to be cool with it, there would have been nothing to fight back against. And we don't need majority of women to be onboard for this for it to take effect; not all men are toxic, misogynistic, A-holes who hate women, but it doesn't HAVE to be "all men", it just has to be *enough* of them doing the worse that they can for it to do damage. It's the same with the 4B movement; it doesn't have to be ALL women participating in it, it just has to be *enough* of us participating for it to take effect. I think where people keep getting this movement messed up is that they think it's meant to be women holding their breath until men start doing right by them, and maybe for some women that IS the desired end result. But in the grand scheme of things this isn't about negotiation or bargaining with men, this is women around the world basically "quiet quitting" a system that was never meant to serve us in the first place. This is about women around the world finally being able to see that a lot of us are/were playing a game that's been rigged for us to lose from the start. And men aren't going to "just start" retaliating physically, again, that has ALWAYS been their move as long as the patriarchy has been around. But I definitely encourage more women to do what they need to do to protect themselves as necessary.

[@OO9O9]

👏

[@worldadventuretravel]

"Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never has and it never will." -Frederick Douglass

[@so.many.obstacles]

It’s not about withholding access to the womb so they can get their ish together. It’s about cutting off access completely.

[@onyxjade5474]

This!!!! They think this a bargaining chip so they can “fake” change ..the girls who get it are done done

[@Angbwillinspireu]

I've been 4B since 2007. 🎉🎉🎉

[@ny_cruz]

Its funny how the ppl saying this isn’t true in Korea have a British accent😂

[@azureavocado5195]

12:48 sounds like a kiwi accent to me

[@Firecracker876]

Ikr 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Firecracker876]

@@azureavocado5195still sounds like non natives

[@toscadonna]

When I lived in Korea, the non-Korean TV stations were from Australia. So that’s probably the reason they get an accent.

[@Angbwillinspireu]

RIGHT!😂😂😂😂😂

[@DezHickson]

13:10 Wait? Didn’t she just say there’s no such thing as the 4b movement because she lives in Korea and only heard about it on Ticktock AND it’s real but it’s not working because it’s too expensive and too many ladies still want to get married? Pickmeisha, which one is it? 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@kaylad1669]

She’s lying

[@talkingtochapri]

Then why the birth rate going down in Korea? Also she didn't made any sense, she is 30 and still single but saying the movement is for misandrist. I guess she is one of the misandrist then. And also for women in Korea it's not allowed to talk openly about Feminism and 4b, it's dangerous for them. Maybe that's why she lied.

[@DezHickson]

Very good point. Everywhere does not have freedom of speech 😢

[@meiimacca4054]

It also depends what circles you live in, she seems the party/dating sort so ofc she and her friends wouldn't know.

[@silververnallbells191]

@@talkingtochapri East Asians have a whole different take on lying. Koreans have a saying "the world is full of lives" to justify their lying.

[@youforget1000thingsaday]

Been on my own 4b movement. Been celibate for YEARS. I'm finna be twenty eight with no kids and happy. I'm good on all this. 😂

[@txspacemom765]

I honestly picture the outcome to be women coming together and leading, taking care of the kid that are here in the way they deserve, taking care of women's health and financial well being.

[@LeilaniLight11709]

The word is MEDIOCRITY, mediocracy is NOT a real word, but I GOT your train of thought in spades, and I say YOU GO GIRL!!!

[@Nico5890]

Read Invisible Women by Caroline Criado Perez. It's also on audiobook if you don't like reading physical books... The author has ROCK SOLID data. She writes about the economic cost of partnering with men. Put that gem in your headphones and go for a walk in the sun

[@demigoddess3311]

Even there kids are sick of the struggle that comes with it

[@jams1070]

9:39 it’s not about making them ‘act right’ it’s just about making your life and prioritizing yourself. If one rejection makes you seek out the red pill community you were already on your way there. And it takes years to see any change in society. So it don’t matter lol. A crash in the economy will not make women partner with men who will suck them dry of more than just money, they can just get roommates with their girls. Y’all know friendships and companions outside of romantic partners exist?

[@demigoddess3311]

Im happy 4b movement is the new baby even pick me's children can see there's an end of that tunnel 😂😂😂

[@DezHickson]

The 2nd greatest thing about marriage for all is that two platonic partners (regardless of sex or gender) can get married, relieving women, in particular, of being forced to couple up with a man if she doesn’t want to. It’s time for a modern platonic update to Boston Cousins. I already know a handful of single women (who still date men) who are doing exactly that. 💯 You don’t need a man to have children or care for you and/or your kids if you have a supportive community of loving women in your corner. If you can’t find one-Build one. ✊🏾💕 *edit: grammar

[@azureavocado5195]

Women do not need to continue recklessly reproducing either. At some point women have to think about the girl children they are bringing into this world and take accountability. Better yet- just take a break from it. There are too many ppl here and women need to chill because MANY don’t want to/need to be here.

[@MaryJaneismyname2020]

It’s funny how a few South Korean women came on tik tok to say that American women are over exaggerating about the 4b movement…yet the stats speak for themselves…so yeah I’m sure a lot of yall still want to marry but clearly there’s a large number of sk women who are for the 4b movement

[@alexoceanmeow]

If it was just western/American hype, then why are my feeds getting multiple, for months, videos on the birth rate declines in not only China, Japan, and S Korea, but also it's been like a decade in my mind's eye with European birth rates declining. I think Italy is freaking out rn. And the US has been declining too. It's worldwide. Even before the 4B being an internet talking point, women were already sticking to their guns with one kid or no kids. Obviously there's always gonna be an Octo Mom out here and there. But the statistics aren't lying lol

[@alexoceanmeow]

@ville__ I feel bad for your mother.

[@worldadventuretravel]

*Because of capitalism, sis. Not a worldwide Lysistrata.* It's too expensive and too hard to live well with kids in late-stage capitalist dystopia. And people know it.

[@alexoceanmeow]

@@worldadventuretravel yeah capitalism is a big part. But women are opting out. Get ready for it to be a worldwide lysistrata lol. Many are sick of being treated the way they are, of being married single mothers, of being cheated on, abuse, lack of legal protections concerning becoming pregnant and their careers, etc etc. Money is a big factor but acting like the social effects of being a woman, having a uterus, having ever experienced social punishment for pregnancy, *you're out of your gourd. You have the smoothest brain.* I'll never forget the whole "pre-existing conditions" bull that basically deemed every uterus owner as having a pre-existing condition for being born with a uterus. That crud got canned but I actually fully expect it to come back in full swing in the USA. We're opting out of the social punishment, too. It's not just capitalism.

[@solitaire10]

If the financial future is supposed to force women to deal with men when they actually don't want to, then I suggest that instead of engaging in a relationship with people we don't like get together with a like minded friend/friends.

[@DJ-xh8zm]

We have to stop telling Koreans that they knew about the 4B movement if they did not know about it until TikTok. The girl bringing up all the articles wouldn't have known about how many articles there were about it until she looked it up. If majority of Korean women still desire marriage and children with men then it is possible that they didn't know or know very little about the movement unless it is thrown in their faces on the daily. They are not saying that the movement does not exist. They are simply saying that they only found out about it on TikTok. The only thing i disagree with that the Korean lady said was that it was formed based on misogyny. If you did not start the movement, how do you know why it was started?

[@Firecracker876]

Sounds like a male identified pickme

[@TheOriginalScorpioBelle]

We don’t have to stop doing anything. I don’t have TikTok and I heard about it on the news years ago and they never claimed it to be the majority of women in Korea. The movement is for women who are done. If you aren’t done. Or if you’re a male. Then you should stop involving yourself in things that don’t concern you.

[@silververnallbells191]

"If you did not start the movement, how do you know why it was started?" Bcuz the women who started the movement have already shared why. Duh.

[@CuratedVibes]

Ive been doing 4b movement over 4 years with no thoughts to stopping. I refuse to discuss it with me though. I dont talk to them unless its for business or family.

[@Somebodysomewheresometime]

Think about allllllllll the things we do for men.. I mean our money being used to be attractive to a man. Fake nails, makeup, tanning, hair, lashes, bbl, boob job, filler etc- you know how much money we gonna save 😂

[@OO9O9]

Wow. Patriachy flipped nature where male animals are the ones who need to attract the female with their looks. Look how male animals look colorful and over the top while the females look plain. Yet human female who are pickmes, will go above and beyond to entertain the male gaze.

[@LeilaniLight11709]

It's gonna take way more than lip service by men. (future faking). It's going to take INNER WORK, hard work to resolve their inner trauma, and undo their entitlement and patriarchy.

[@worldadventuretravel]

A thing for which I have no intention of waiting. The men that decide to evolve will survive, those that don't will get left behind. It's natural selection and the "free market" all in one-- the two things dudebros in all the toxic male communities claim to love most. Oh, the irony.

[@TheOriginalScorpioBelle]

15:09 They never said 4B was majority of the women in Korea.

[@totesmcgoats435]

The girl at 4:15 is so freaking adorable! I don't know why I felt the need to comment that.

[@azureavocado5195]

There was no need

[@talkingtochapri]

Yeah the way she talks 😅

[@miscalotastuff733]

Wow early! Hi! Your awesome! I agree with the korean women.

[@TrevanneFoxton]

Me too!

[@Firecracker876]

The Korean women with the foreign accents? 😂😂😂😂 as stated in the video Korean women can’t say they’re feminist they can’t say they’re part of 4b, a male beat up a woman who had short hair because she had short hair and he thought she was a feminist. Those women know it’s best to not put their face out there to be harassed by those males who disagree with it

[@TheOriginalScorpioBelle]

10:22 They are already harming women. So.

[@staciquinton2794]

Some women have been doing the 4B movement for decades before the movement had a name. 4-8-2024(Mon)

[@Topself24]

4:56 They will open the borders before they give women more bargaining power

[@Firecracker876]

I just said this, the women in South America and birthing machines they’ll undermine our damn progress, just like how they love bragging about getting our rejects the passport bros

[@viridianacortes9642]

Mmmm. Yeah. Well…even they won’t be able to reproduce if things don’t get better economically. Also, Latin American feminism is wild. A lot of Latinos come up north to escape misogyny as well.

[@worldadventuretravel]

Hon, the borders have been lawless and run by cartels since the start of the Trump administration, made worse by Genocide Joe, and yes its definitely all by design. I STILL won't compromise my standards for the type of men I will allow in my life, even if that means the rest of my time in this incarnation is solo.

[@southernb3ll5319]

@11:32- Is she delusional? The economy took a turn quite some time ago. Has she been to the grocery store and paid bills?! 😂😂 In the USA-

[@mary6134]

I support it.

[@kayshawnsimmons5585]

4B West 💯💪🏾🥰🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@DezHickson]

15:01 So 4b does exist but it’s meaningless (yet, “everyone” is looking for marriage and is going to matchmakers and still aren’t getting booed up) Something appears to be happening there and where it’s incel behavior or 4b, it seems like it’s having the same effect or am I missing something?

[@kaylad1669]

Huh?? Obviously the ppl in 4B are not looking for marriage. Lol all women do not participate, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist or is meaningless

[@jjasminedee3062]

I thought it was about 4b hair type when I saw the title 😂

[@azureavocado5195]

Did this ignorance necessitate a comment?

[@Firecracker876]

@@azureavocado5195Ikr

[@jjasminedee3062]

@@azureavocado5195 It had enough impact for you to respond so yes.

[@demigoddess3311]

What the pick me are there fo

[@Hopdog230]

And no one said all women are doing 4b. The point is some women are doing it. Trying to discount 4b by saying all Korean women don’t participate is silly. Many things contribute to the low birth rate in Korea. Mysogyny (sexual harassment happens often). Competition. It’s a highly competitive job market. Those that work for one of the chaebols (an example of a chaebol is Samsung)make hundreds of thousands more over a lifetime of those not working for one. Koreans go into thousands of dollars worth of debt to not “look poor” as it’s also an important thing to present as successful. They are caught on a hamster wheel. Sexual violence against women is rampant. Women are expected to give up their careers to be housewives. There are a plethora of reasons for a low birth rate. 4b is a response.. one response to cultural factors driving a low birth rate. Not the cause of the low birth rate. I wish ppl did research and read before they dismiss things.

[@worldadventuretravel]

Sooo... capitalism then. Literally, the problem you described is capitalism and it's everywhere.

[@Anti-PC-OG-Feminist]

4:50 Nah...i wouldnt put any hope on men allowing us to have actual power...

[@worldadventuretravel]

"Allowing?" Hon, which part of this did you think has anything to do with getting permission?! 😂 Has ANY oppressed class ever gotten power through permission? Get real. "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never has and it never will." -Frederick Douglass. For fuck's sake, educate yourself on resistance movements and how social change actually happens.

[@kentaroo.7759]

Who cares! Don't get married, don't have kids, don't have relationships. No one freaking care! I don't. Bahahaha.

[@TheReddances]

This certainly what the natural world needs, on the one hand...

[@AIBot929]

Chick with the braids is h3lla incorrect. Many many women have been 4B in every way but name. I committed to no longer dating or entertaining men, end of last year, thats when I commited to it, but I have been voluntarily celibate for several years and would seldomly date, and did not sleep with dudes after a date. After a series of just absolute let downs and ghosting and lies etc. I said I was done. I say all this to say my experince is not unique, what led me to this conclusion is not unique and the thought did not come from the internet, it came from real life experince. She's giving pick me because she thinks women will be down bad without men. We good over here. Men will be down bad without women, and regarding men not changing, those who don't will hopefully be left behind and not allowed to procreate

[@silververnallbells191]

Ghosting, lies, creepiness, gas lighting, belittling, etc - issa no from me.

[@ccannon1]

9:28 1. Everyone doesn’t need to participate for it to be effective; most Korean women don’t actually participate. 2. It’s not a bargaining chip, some women are just done. 3. You don’t need to even do all of the Bs tbh, no marriage and no kids are two very effective tools if it were a tit for tat type of thing, so even if the end goal were to make men act better, women sticking to those two, which they already are unrelated to 4B, would bring society to its knees.

[@silververnallbells191]

There's already a #SingleByChoice & #ChildFree movement in the West. 4B IS about not catering to men's libidos. S-x free IS a part of 4B.

[@CutiePieSweetz]

I do think think its been blown up, but I think that because it's in the public consciousness now, it will grow. I like to think that the 4B movement had already existed, but it didn't have a name. So I'm interested to see where it goes from here 🤔

[@AndyCroat-v6d]

I agree with Previn Karian that the world is at a crisis point, including a crisis point between men and women. The world will go as it will, not as you or I would have it.

[@twilson951]

I saw a sci fi movie where the human race depleted, so the men came up with man made whombs. They might actually figure it out one day, if they haven’t already, until then….

[@cocoace7587]

Perfect . Then , the men they date on the low can have THEIR children. # win , win 🏆 😅

[@worldadventuretravel]

And I'll still be enjoying my single, childfree life because populating the next generation of batteries for the late-stage capitalist matrix is NOT my problem.

[@LeilaniLight11709]

Oh, in my experience, the men I have had so called "relationships" with, if you can call it that, it was WAY BELOW bare minimum. WAY BELOW. It's why I decided to be CELIBATE over 22 years ago.

[@Moonchildstargazer]

She says her Korean friends arent spilling the tea to her abiut 4b...then says its taboo to talk about it....bestie, you answered your own question there.

[@savonb]

I support this movement b/c it seems like a sensible reaction to the adult content bombarded at me all the time. Watching Fresh pregnancy drama is entertaining. But I’m a mom too and it makes me sad that the woman and her baby are a circus for the world to see

[@yona77X]

Looking how everything expensive it is, I believe it's a great idea. If I didn't have a village, people who I can trust when it comes to helping watching over children while parents go to work. I wouldn't even bother being married nor have kids at all. I'll just continue living my life. Women doing the 4B movement in the USA? I don't think it has anything to do with men (other women out there would take that movement personal but I digress) , It has something to do with things that are way more important and there's other things we should worry about!!!!The human population is not the problem. It's why is everything in the USA is so expensive?

[@worldadventuretravel]

Capitalism is the problem. Since capitalism and the patriarchy go hand in hand-- being that the patriarchy is the cause and perpetrator of capitalism-- it's natural that both systems are unraveling at the same time. You can't have the right system if the wrong ones are still in the way.

[@chocolatechild1513]

Well then that’s the end of Korea ..🤷🏽‍♀️

[@SillyMe43]

FALSE IT IS NOT CHEAPER TO BE IN A REALTIONSHIP!!!!! Get it out of your head men waste your time and energy and time is money.

[@Londoloza031]

What is the 4B book pls?

[@NanzNaturally]

It doesn't matter if the 4b movement grows the amount of red pill bros.. they can be alone together

[@Anti-PC-OG-Feminist]

7:45 This!

[@Anti-PC-OG-Feminist]

7:30 Bingo.

[@WillowT442]

It can happen, women went on strike in Iceland.

[@kennethharrison9409]

I think that this 4B movement is wonderful. But can you ladies, inspire women in over populated countries to not have seen. The world has too many children that without families and homes.

[@ovehernandez2708]

People have to understand korea especially in south Korea is a very conservative country matter a fact both of the koreas are very conservative countries where as in the western countries ten to be more liberal & there the culture difference korea follow korean tradition where the west have there own culture which is the culture of freedom freedom to do what hell you want but with rules and regulation

[@hardcandy71287]

feminist women can't exactly say that they are feminist in SK. they can get doxxed and fired from their jobs. they can't afford to be vocal about it.

[@LisaSoulLevelHealing]

Why do we need to understand that. I mean, i do understand that they had more societal programming to go against....and it shwos their strength that they did. But we also understand withdrawing from the dating pool, which we have been doing with our own movements - divestment, childfree, celibacy, etc.

[@ovehernandez2708]

@@LisaSoulLevelHealing because people from Western countries tend to view the world only though Western lens only & as the Korean women said it the cost of living that driving the birth decline not the 4b movement as she stated people in Korea are getting married but not have children because of high cost of living and the wage there is pretty stagnet so it makes it impossible to live a good life

[@amberinthemist7912]

​@@ovehernandez2708I don't think anyone thinks the 4b movement is solely responsible for the low birth rate in Korea.

[@ovehernandez2708]

@@amberinthemist7912 but some people in the west think the 4b movement is what causing the birth rate in Korea to decline I am not saying is you or saying that but some people in the west are saying that

[@worldadventuretravel]

Women: Be better or we're done with you Men: *doing literally everything other than working to be better It's disappointing to hear some of these takes, though. If it really is just an online phenomenon then women need to wake up and take their power back for real. The survival of the planet depends on it. The real chance some man is going to ACTUALLY start a nuclear war, at this point, is almost inevitable barring a huge change in the power balance. But as to birth rates, it's pretty certain they are declining everywhere because of late-stage capitalism, not to Lysistrata 2024.

[@teddyflowers2798]

Wow, I’m completely out of fucks remarkable

[@user-qi7o0dr54h8rq]

If you have time, be sure to watch the Korean movie Bad Guy. This is a movie about a female college student who is so in love with her that she sells her out as a bar girl. Not long ago, a magazine featured a scene showing a dead woman being loaded into a trunk on the main cover. In fact, there was an incident where a husband killed his wife with an ax on the street. However, even when incidents like this occur, it is difficult to criticize them for fear of being branded a feminist. In fact, there are many comments saying to be thankful because women live better than Islam or India.

[@worldadventuretravel]

Islam is not a country, India is. And Islamophobia is never a good look. You might as well crash the thread with B.S. like "all Muslims are terrorists" while you're at it. Leave that ignorance at home.

[@ogunsoladare2613]

WOMEN WANT POWER THEY CAN WIELD ANYHOW. OKAY

[@Cantetinza17]

Not all Korean women are doing this. My friend who lives in Korea said that it's being blown out of proportion. She said that it's a small amount of women who are doing that. It's mainly because it's expensive. No she is not married, but she would like to get married. She assured me that she is not one of those women, but she said that it's good that it's starting a conversation. I believe that in most places around the world birth rates are going down and it's not just because of women saying enough is enough, but every where their economy is dreadful, so it's not the time to have children etc. If they want us to procreate then they need to make it worth our while. We need better amount of time off, better child care etc. I do have to say that the government needs to rethink how they treat women, but there is this feeling that since governments are mainly men they will just come up with a way to force women depending on the country.

[@silververnallbells191]

The economy is NO excuse when there was a population boom coming from The Great Depression. Also, NO ONE is saying all Korean women are doing this. And no, being single isn't expensive especially not emotionally or spiritually.

[@OO9O9]

The birth rate is decline in Europe despite having a nice maternity and paternity leave, free hospital service, free childcare and money paid for every child. For some women it was never about money.

[@hubabaloop]

Hearing from women who live in Korea that this ISNT happening there? Heard they’re not having kids because they can’t afford it??…So maybe us western women can just claim it? Thoughts? 😂 I was like OPE when I heard this did anybody else hear rhis

[@cocoace7587]

I thought they were just # paid ops 😂🎉 Nothing they can say can change my mind . # center myself 😌💕

[@Hopdog230]

I saw a documentary about 4b last year. Korean women there certainly did know about it but there is severe backlash against women being feminists there. Men are unaliving women and attacking women they perceive as feminists. So a lot of women do not admit openly they are feminists. The 4b ladies were unapologetically open about their stance. So we have to look at the culture and climate of Korea. But women there know about it. The documentary was hosted by a Korean American woman who spoke fluent Korean and the Korean women she interviewed were proponents and participants in 4b. She also spoke with Korean government officials (policy makers), sociologists, professors etc who all gave their take on the 4b movement. Government officials have addressed the low birth rate. All this foolishness about Korean women not hearing about it I definitely don’t buy. They are literally going extinct as an ethnic group and the government is quaking in their boots about low birth rate and addressing 4b, but I’m supposed to believe pick me lee jun soo doesn’t know about it? I watch Korean news and it’s on Korean news as well.

[@OO9O9]

​@@Hopdog230aslo, there are Korean women who are practicing the 4b lifestyle without knowing the name if this movement. Women divesting from patriachy isn't a new concept. In my country there are women who dont know the word feminist but they are advocate for women rights.

[@austindrake4697]

So being a Nun on social media is a new form of clout?

[@justj512]

We all know very well that in those type of communists or apolitical dangerous countries you will be punished for doing or saying anything that will draw question to the government or put their business out globally, theres high risk, how does she know that are saying they nevwr heard of it as they know she has a big mouth ready to open on her social media platform, you are not korean anyway so why would they want to tell you anything. You lived there for 4 years ok but you didnt grow up there 😂😂😂😂

[@silververnallbells191]

South Korea is a democracy not communist.

[@worldadventuretravel]

@@silververnallbells191 You're still confusing a system of governance with a system of economics. They are not the same. China has a capitalist economy and a totalitarian government. You can also have a communist economy and a democratic government. Update yourself.

[@WordsofHarmony]

The thing is also, many teachers are women especially elementary school so this may end up effecting women inadvertently too.

[@OO9O9]

They will have to look into other careers.

[@worldadventuretravel]

I'm not putting up with toxic men in my life so that some woman I don't know can be a first grade teacher, sorry love.

[@Racism-n3j]

Sounds like mgtow

[@suzannemcvicker617]

It's not. MGTOW still want access to women for sex. 4B doesn't want anything to do with men.

[@worldadventuretravel]

That would only be true if the "men going their own way" were engaging in deep inner work to heal their psychological patterns and traumas, become more self-aware, and investing energy into constructive pursuits like building community and working to make the world better. But every "MGTOW" thread and video I've seen is just a bunch of incels sitting around blaming women for the fact they have to pay child support for the kids they didn't want.

[@teedouble]

Black women follow EVERY movement even when they hurt them. Moving on to the 4B movement when your homes, marriages and dating is in shambles NOW prior is crazy. It shows the lack of independent thinkers but more a mob mentality to jump on every movement because of a culture that in most cases doesn't like you as is and could care less about your relationship situation and growth. Just my opinion so don't attack me as a first response.

[@EnjeiLaetitiaMoutapam]

Je suis d'accord les noirs veulent toujours s'associer aux causes des autres

[@BLACKSTA361]

​@@EnjeiLaetitiaMoutapamWrong. African Americans want. Black people from France, United Kingdom or Africa arent stupid enough to fall for a movement like this

[@worldadventuretravel]

All you just did is make our point for us by proving that once again, men are out there still blaming women instead of looking at themselves. When it finally occurs to you that MEN are the reason women are opting out of being with them, it will probably be too late to save the situation. But that is no longer our problem. Women are done cleaning up after you. Evolve and survive, or stay the same and go extinct. Your choice.

[@Hawaii1313]

GLOBALLY, Asian, European BIRTH RATES Are DOWN Regardless! Do NOT Follow The Instruction of YAKUB/ESAU’S GRAFTED, SOULLESS. PEACE&LUV

[@andrassipos9239]

Ladys just go for it. Just remember the price of freedom it's always have been payed. In the end of the road will be darkness and i have the opportunity to see all this how it's end. This 💩 show will be epic too see and laugh.

[@insanogeddon]

Some warman live 4B (Bullshitting, Breaking, Begging, Bitching)

[@anitachin596]

Across Western world the birth rates are going down.Korea, Japan and Italy are leading on this. The change will come when the economic benefits are in place e.g. childcare, public benefits, pensions, proper maternity leave and men sharing home life responsibilities.

[@OO9O9]

In Scandinavia, where there is generous maternity and paternity leave, free healthcare, free childcare, paid money for every child, yet they the birth rate is decling rapidly. For some women it was never about money.

[@tarrylove6519]

Can xx really give up the 🐓?

[@ufos-cos]

I have, yup. Looking into women now. Men fucked it up for themselves & we’re all just moving on now. Boy bye 🙋‍♀️

[@meiimacca4054]

Never had the desire for it, useless to me.

[@worldadventuretravel]

Not even the best sex in the world can make up for all the other B.S. men bring into my life. I'm all good handling things myself and not having to clean up after a grown man emotionally, psychologically and physically.

[@akinazara]

No sex 10 years