Mark Cerny Talks PS5 Dolby Atmos: How Does It Work?

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[@mbe2916]

Getting schooled by Cerny

[@Justmeandmy20cents]

Remember that time when Mark Cerny told you how it is?

[@benboyd3082]

Cerny>12

[@wizzenberry]

Its so laggy on xbox, thankfully simd ops are reserved on ps5 so its essentially free

[@Krypterium]

true

[@Case_]

How does John listen to a thorough explanation of how the entire Ambisound to Tempest thing works directly from the source...and then proceeds to say things that contradict what Cerny has said? For example, John says that "it really is just taking the existing Tempest audio output and you have the extra height channels", but that's not correct, as Cerny explained - it's taking the existing *Ambisound* output and downmixing it into 7.1.4 *using* Tempest. I don't think Cerny said anything whether the 7.1 portion of the 7.1.4 output is actually identical (and it would make sense if it wasn't entirely identical), so I don't think it can be described as "taking the existing Tempest audio output". Same with John's claim that "the games themselves were built for headphones, basically", which also kinda contradicts Cerny's explanation, since clearly the Ambisound to Tempest processing is able to accomodate more output options and is not limited to *just* headphones, but more importantly is presented as fact, but is in fact mostly just John's personal opinion on how the audio is mastered, not supported by real facts. These might seem like inconsequential details to some, but accuracy is important.

[@xero1982]

"This isn't actually a Dolby Atmos Soundtrack". I reckon John thinks that means not being as good as? Tempest allows for a far greater amount of audio objects at a time, with more complex processing capabilities. If Mark Cerny added compatibility and use of the Dolby Atmos container it would actually be a downgrade.

[@Case_]

@@xero1982 I'm getting kinda confused by your comment I'm afraid. Nothing John says here comes off to me as him thinking what Sony is doing is better than "true Atmos" (my words, for the sake of making a point, not his) would be, it feels like the exact opposite is true - that he is strongly suggesting this solution is not ideal and a "true Atmos" would have better results. But maybe I'm projecting my own bias into it, that is certainly always possible, no matter how objective we try to be. But then there's also your last sentence where it seems like you're describing the same thing they technically actually did, but you describe it as if they didn't, and then you call that option a downgrade...so, yeah, I'm kinda lost here, sorry.

[@xero1982]

@@Case_ I think you misunderstood me, I'm suggesting he thinks Sony's solution isn't as good as native Atmos. 😄

[@Case_]

@@xero1982 Yes, but that was my original point (well, one of them, anyway) as well ;) As in he essentially inserts his own misconceptions into what Cerny has said to suggest (again) that this is worse than a "true Atmos" would be. But maybe my point didn't come through as well as I thought it did. But I guess we are both essentially saying the same thing after all.

[@faustianblur1798]

@@xero1982 the 3D ambisonic data created by Tempest and then rendered out to headphones, 7.1, 7.1.4, etc. has lower precision than the positional metadata created for true Dolby Atmos. The sounds are effectively emitted from 36 virtual speakers spaced evenly across a sphere, then down sampled, which is rather course. Atmos allows for 32 discrete objects placed arbitrarily around the listener, if you want more sounds they need to be bundled together into compound objects at the same position.

[@kokomanation]

Mark Cerny gave a lecture

[@Wiiillllson151]

Let's be real. When ever the guy speaks everyone's listening.

[@kokomanation]

@@Wiiillllson151 He should speak about Reverse Fourier Transformations the Math used for this type of audio technology.That would be fun 😂

[@kokomanation]

It is Inverse Fourier Transform not Reverse my mistake I am sorry

[@AKSBSU]

His lectures are interesting and informative, so that is a positive thing in my view.

[@Jei4Del]

Cerny has been correcting df for a while now without df correcting themselves. How professional

[@BFArch0n]

Huh???

[@OmarRashid54]

Absolutely love the discussion at the end! Please amplify with an ATMOS video! I'd love to see this get attention. When Xbox One X came out with Atmos, had pretty bad FOMO. After getting a Vizio 5.1.4 system, the lag was terrible! I thought maybe it was the tv or soundbar. Then I went top-tier Samsung 11.1.4 990b. Same issue! Plus, Samsung went with hdmi 2.0 for the bar, which means I have to use eARC if I want 120 fps! Infuriating. A video with PS5, XSX and Atmos setups direct/eARC/Shark with optimized settings (a la Bataglia) would be amazing! Thx!

[@holamoco]

Dolby Atmos works best on PS5

[@Ahmedaa-xq9qf]

And for free

[@DJordydj]

@@Ahmedaa-xq9qf If you have a home theater or a soundbar that allows Atmos, it's also free on the XBOX. The payed license is only related to headphones, because it's an audio codec that doesn't come in headphones, but even if you don't have that license you can use the Windows Sonic Audio alternative. It's not as good, but serves the exact same purpose for free. PS5 has tempest audio for free and XBOX and Windows 10/11 have Windows Sonic Audio for free. Home systems do not need the payed license because it's already in the hardware.

[@Megaace9]

What PS5 needs is Dolby Vision, and Blu-ray 3D on TV and PS VR2.

[@acerimmer2000]

One of the things I love about my xbox series s is the 120hz Dolby Vision on the operating system level. Going back to ps5 60hz os is just so disappointing.

[@Plumtopia]

Honestly I doubt Sony wants to spend the money on that. The Blu-ray/DVD player functionality was pretty obviously a second thought, only included because the PS5 game disks are BD/BDXL. Their own 4K Players from even a couple years before the PS5 released surpass the PS5 in terms of image quality and features, so I think it just comes down to a lack of interest from the PlayStation side

[@nuggetz4037]

As a 4k blu ray collector, I would love it if Sony brought DV support to physical media. Having said that, the chances of that happening are tiny.

[@Noah-Lach]

@@acerimmer2000 The dashboard runs at 120FPS? That's awesome!

[@Megaace9]

@@Plumtopia It's quite embarrassing that a company that has a movie production company, and sells movies on Blu-ray 4K, has such poor support on PS5. Sony designed the Blu-ray 3D format, and even though nobody releases 3D movies anymore, many of us have a good collection of Blu-ray 3D movies that we would like to play with PS5 to watch on a 200-inch screen on PS VR2, for example. Or on a projector. I don't think it would cost that much to include these features.

[@Time4bass]

Ran the latency test on my Sony Ht-a9 setup far as I can tell no issues

[@Time4bass]

I should add ht-a9 sound great but considering the cost I need to run the connection option about 1-2 a month because of sound drop outs all the time. I would avoid this setup .

[@Justmeandmy20cents]

The sound drops you are experiencing are due to conflicting 5G wifi signals in your house. I also have the HTA9 and the SW5 sub and I never have problems due to the use of wifi 6 signals in our house, actually one of the speakers is right above my Wifi 6 router and it never fails. Make sure the HTA9 sync box keeps itself cool, I heard that it may lose connection if the unit gets hot after hours of use. So I installed an ultra Quiet , almost silent fan underneath my unit. Maybe be why I never have issues. The A9/SW5 are unbeatable in the home theatre space and DSP is the future of surround. Even games that only support 5.1 surround sounds like Atmos content with the A9 upscaling AE/360 technique, I'm never buying Atmos speakers without upfireing speakers anymore, it's incredible the difference it makes.

[@GermanEnigma]

He consulted with the Dean from PlayStation University of Design.

[@Landonio]

Hilarious how even the experts at DF acknowledge the Xbox audio lag, yet there's still clowns out there that deny it. Not noticing something =/= something not existing. Wild concept, I know.

[@geogadget1]

All this talk about Dolby Atmos lag on Xbox & PC makes you appreciate Mark Cerny and Sony for creating the Tempest Engine on PS5.

[@AKSBSU]

There should be some way for Microsoft or whatever company to get Atmos to function better than that. I'm surprised they released it in that state and more surprised it's still like that. They're also paying fees for that feature that barely functions.

[@yousuff1]

Currently stuck using DTS on my Series X because Atmos has a huge audio delay. Hopefully this might encourage Microsoft to fix the problem (that's if it even is fixable).

[@fishmo_mofish]

I wouldn't hold your breath. If it's been around for years on windows, they aren't going to worry about it on xbox.

[@chikung6904]

Wtf are you talking about - fanboy shit.

[@bubmario]

I'm glad you covered the latency. My setup is as follows: HiSense U7H (Supports Dolby Vision, Atmos, 120fps HFR, VRR, ALLM) Two HomePods (second gen) connected to Apple TV 4K (latest model) to do Dolby Atmos passthrough via eARC BolAAzuL 5 port HDMI Splitter (not in the eARC port, but in the second 4K 120 port to switch between XSX and PS5) I did not notice any latency with the XSX running Dolby Atmos (even in Hi-Fi rush, where timing is incredibly important). However, I did notice something really odd with PS5 and Horizon Forbidden West. I have to keep things in the default stereo. If I don't, there will be a significant delay (jump sound effects being a full 3-4 seconds after the action is completed for example). The "3D audio" mode is worthless in this setup, due to the nearly 4 second audio delay. I figured it was a codec thing or just the result of too much handshaking through eARC and a more budget friendly TV. But it is interesting. I'm eager for the update to come out of Beta, but I may apply the Beta update out of impatience. I am also interested in tools mentioned here like the Shark. I am only moderately technical and not anywhere close to the expertise that many in this space are, but these were my findings from someone who cares but doesn't have all the high end gear to test or the knowledge to back it up.

[@NiGHTS1980]

Xbox One S/X has support for 4K BluRay, Dolby Atmos, Dolby Vision and 3D Bluray playback. I guess they were on to something when they called it Xbox "One" as it's currently the only console which can do it all.

[@aaronsmith7143]

You do know Sony is a big player in audio and TV. They don't rely 100% on 3rd party applications to do everything.

[@mother3crazy]

People say we dont need mid-gen console upgrades but if Xbox had a higher 70gbps+ hdmi throughput, we could actually attain 4:4:4 chroma at 12-bit color. This, plus a software fix for atmos on xbox and better implentation of dolbyvision and we’ll have a truly premier 4K box.

[@kicapanmanis1060]

All this while current gen games can't even hit native 1080P......

[@aaronsmith7143]

​@@kicapanmanis1060 What? Why even type out a blatant lie for absolutely no reason?

[@chrisfratz]

I had that delay running Dolby Atmos from my PC which is on Windows 10 to my TV, and because I have a Logitech z906, optical out of my TV into it because It doesn't have HDMI. And at first I thought the delay came from something in the chain converting that atmos signal into Dolby AC3, but now I guess that's not the case.

[@Case_]

How (and why, since you don't have Atmos compliant speaker setup, so there's no benefit in using Atmos in the first place) are you running Atmos over optical?

[@chrisfratz]

@@Case_ I wanted to get digital surround sound out of my PC and the only way I could force it to do it was running Atmos on my PC and have that signal sent to my TV. Since then I've opted to not do that just because of the really bad audio delay and so I opted to just get three 3.5 mm aux cables and just do analog suround sound out the back of my motherboard. So the run was at most coming out of my graphics card's HDMI port and going to my TV, and then the TV sent a compressed AC3 version of that audio to my speakers.

[@miikasuominen3845]

And how about DTS-X? It laggy too?

[@Slydawwwwg]

The Dolby option on PS5 definitely has some lag compared to linear PCM. Looking forward to the PS5 version of atmos cause the series X atmos delay through eARC is shocking. Been on the Microsoft group chat for over a year that discusses this issue and a lot of input with different scenarios, but no solution…. Microsoft needs to get address the issue that’s for sure!

[@ryanh.739]

Which sound option do you use on PS5 now?

[@Johnny_Ohio]

I love watching HBO Max on my series X simply because the best plan on max is all 4K and Dolby Atmos for 3-D audio. I have the rig 5000 pro headset with Dolby Atmos, I tried watching HBO Max through the PS five and you just simply do not get the same awesome 3-D, Dolby Atmos sound. The series X is definitely better for watching movies with Dolby Atmos.

[@aaronsmith7143]

Why are you using a console to watch those things? If you have a TV with all the bells and whistle ls to enjoy 4k and such then watching those apps natively on the TV would be best to eliminate any lag between the audio and video signals.

[@Johnny_Ohio]

@@aaronsmith7143 because I cannot use my TV directly for Dolby Atmos, I need to plug my headset into my controller to access Dolby Atmos app through the series X. I can’t plug my headset into my TV directly.

[@MB-hu2jl]

Why are you watching streaming instead of 4K blu ray?

[@Johnny_Ohio]

@@MB-hu2jl I am watching in 4K, just digital I don’t buy any physical crap.

[@worldtraveler3560]

​@@Johnny_OhioPhysical means you own it.

[@ArielCleirigh]

So PS5 better for Dolby atmos Interesting. Bravo for Mark Cerny.

[@Justmeandmy20cents]

Since the Atmos on Xbox is unbearable (30-40 Ms delay) it was always Sony who was the winner on surround. I do prefer Atmos and DTS X for headphones over 3D Tempest audio though... I've been using a 7.1 Atmos set up since PS4 pro came out, I'm never going back to simple stereo.

[@fw40]

If Atmos games didn't have the delay then that wouldn't be the case. Tempest is a channel based static mix format. Atmos is a dynamic object format. Tempest is both more limited with sound source placement (36 channels = 36 placement positions) and more tedious for a audio engineer to mix and master audio objects with. It's easy in the Atmos renderer to place, drag, change spl and whatnot of objects since they are dynamic. Tempest is really just a channels based audio format used for 3d audio and because it's channel based it is limited. However, there are plenty of static Dolby Atmos mixes for movies and probably for games as well I would believe. It's disappointing that this is what 3d audio on ps5 ended up, but we won't have that nasty atmos for games delay, so that's a BIG plus.

[@Johnny_Ohio]

PS five dont even use true Dolby Atmos like series X does.

[@Justmeandmy20cents]

@@Johnny_Ohio No, but I wonder if it matter as the delay is unbearable. I use Atmos mainly for UHD Blu rays not anything like streaming, that's just the economic version.

[@AKSBSU]

The update is mainly going to allow better sound out of Atmos-compatible gear, receivers and higher end soundbars. It already had superb audio via headphones as was very apparent with Returnal.

[@secondcut3138]

Horizon forbidden west sounds soo good with atmos on and a Dolby atmos compatible tv, sounds like ambience is all around you

[@augustusx82]

I have absolutely NO LAG on my Sonos arc 7.2.4 system using my xbox for atmos. Im also using E ARC from my LG C10 TV and its dead on. No lag at all. I never heard about lag on atmos until watching this. My experience is perfect so i had no idea

[@Steelix371]

Boy is coping hard lmao yeah digital foundry is lying because they want push fake news

[@Ultra_James__T]

🚨Hi, does anyone have a concrete answer to this broad question (and a follow up question) for which I cannot find objective answers: does the ps5 offer Dolby atmos using lossy Dolby digital plus for ARC tv owners or is it exclusive to lossless Dolby MAT over eARC only? I know the PS5 delivers Dolby atmos via uncompressed lossless Dolby MAT which requires an eARC TV to transmit Dolby atmos to a Sonos Arc soundbar (which I will shortly be receiving); however I have the LG C8 OLED TV with ARC and it does support Dolby atmos; but instead of uncompressed Dolby MAT, it can handle compressed Dolby digital plus atmos so does anyone know if the PS5 converts the Dolby MAT into Dolby digital plus if it detects there is an ARC instead of an eARC TV? I’ve read that it is straightforward for Sony to make the availability of Dolby digital plus for getting Dolby atmos if there is no eARC for the Dolby MAT packaged Dolby atmos file on the PS5 just like when uncompressed lossless Dolby TrueHD signals are usually/easily converted into compressed Dolby digital plus where there is an ARC instead of an eARC; but it seems Sony has not allowed you to choose Dolby digital plus over Dolby MAT for the Dolby atmos type from the PS5 menu and it’s not enabled the straightforward automatic conversion of the Dolby MAT audio into Dolby digital plus so that ARC TV users can also enjoy Dolby atmos audio. This is frustrating because apparently this doesn’t even require painstaking work and the tools to provide such a conversion widely exist. This seems especially bizarre as PS5 game audio is usually compressed anyway and wasn’t encoded in Dolby atmos to begin with and the 3D audio is from existing Tempest 3D AudioTech engine and this is by no means anywhere close to the high size and bandwidth of uncompressed Dolby true hd so it should’ve been made available for Dolby digital plus type of Dolby atmos to begin with since the lossless Dolby MAT form of the ps5 3D audio in theory couldn’t possibly sound far superior to its compressed Dolby digital plus variant since the native audio source is compressed and not native Dolby atmos to begin with! In theory it shouldn’t be as big a leap in difference in movies between its Dolby digital plus and Dolby TrueHD audio variants. So it seems like a very unreasonable bottleneck for Sony to not allow ps5 Dolby atmos over ARC TV’s. What’s even more frustrating is that there is Dolby MAT 2.0 which was designed to make compatibility over ARC easier and removing the exclusive eARC requirement but it looks like Sony hasn’t taken advantage of that. If someone has a solution other than HD Fury Arcana to get the PS5 to make its Dolby atmos available in Dolby digital plus so that it can work on an LG C8 OLED TV with ARC connected to a Sonos Arc soundbar it would be greatly appreciated.

[@MelissaAtwell]

Thank you for sharing this! Very helpful 👍

[@ricepony33]

Atmos setup question: My setup - 2x Front, 1x center, 2x - height, 2x rear, 2x Subs Sony STR-DH790 LGCX The Sony receiver is said to support a 5.1.2 Dolby Atmos setup. Is this a proper setup or do I need different speakers or a different receiver to get the full experience?

[@daktheavking9357]

That is a great setup. You will definitely get the Height effects. I have a 5.1.2 Pioneer and I am getting height effects 😊

[@xNightHawk32]

Maybe Xbox’s people will get on this to fix this issue for games. Thank you for bringing this to their attention.

[@kicapanmanis1060]

John's already brought it to their attention but they still haven't done anything. Hopefully a more public discussion will.

[@kasaimampuya2074]

When can we expect the full version of this driver to be released?

[@CraigThomasLive]

I was happy to see Atmos arrive on the PS5, absolutely love it on my Series X. Unfortunately it hasn't initially impressed me, but I haven't had enough time to try it on games that should make good use of it. Maybe Spiderman 2 will be a good test case!

[@LyuboA]

Sony is happy to add useless features like Atmos but the Most Basic and Important features like been able to Backup your Save Games that we don't need on PS5 for PS5 games or how we had to wait for 1440p Support for over 5 years and Still No 1440p for PS4 Pro but Stupid UI game Cards that No one uses those are very important ya right and the Sad thing is that ppl are So Dumb they don't even see these things or if they see them they just keep quiet cause after all Companies didn't told them to say anything

[@BFArch0n]

I dont recall atmos issues with my xbox series x or my windows 11 gaming system. Ill have to take a deeper look. Wow. Now the lag is totally notcieable. Im surprised i missed that before. Sounds great but that delay sucks. Everything feels off

[@smoothyuk]

Cerny in the thumbnail looks like Garth Algar in a different wig. Party on.

[@raymondbutcher]

Is there an up to date list of games that support this? I’ve only found lists from previous years.

[@SlavaSklansky]

For the current and older games without Atmos tracks engineered; how this feature is different from the always existing receiver functionality of up-mixing sound to include Atmos speakers?

[@mrchiledonut]

It sounds more accurate than up-mixing when playing the 3D audio games. I don't recommend using up-mixing unless you like it when watching/playing things with 2-channel audio. For games that don't support the 3D audio, it just won't play audio through the height speakers unless you're up-mixing. So, same as always I guess.

[@juanr7614]

Will my samsung Q600A (which has Dolby atmos) will be able to use ps5 Dolby atmos?

[@YaLadMitch]

So does this automatically turn on now

[@OmarAlamy]

I have a 5.1.2 configuration with two ceiling speakers for the dolby atmos. Will I also have an atmos effect with the ps5?

[@mrchiledonut]

Yes.

[@Kruz8er]

I just want to point out that it’s not just Dolby atmos that has lag on Xbox, it’s also standard Dolby digital. Dts does not have this same lag in my tests.

[@nuggetz4037]

Question is, should Atmos be permanently enabled in the case where you have a home theater setup capable of Atmos, but also use a headset? Does Atmos make a difference in the headset?

[@TheSubZero187]

It doesn’t do anything with a headset. Once you switch over to a headset it has an automatic switch for it. So no need to worry

[@nuggetz4037]

@@TheSubZero187Awesome, thanks!

[@wanshurst2416]

@@nuggetz4037 i would try dts:x. in my opinion it's better for games. especially for multiplayer and locating enemies.

[@issachijode4534]

The answer to your second question is yes it sounds great, but it’s not better then a good overhead surround system. To use the tech though you need a console/pc to support Atmos via headphones (Xbox in my case) Ps5 does not use that tech, but instead Tempest.

[@nuggetz4037]

@Robkots I have a 5.1.2 setup so I'm good.

[@kennyjurgens9084]

will Sony now bring Dolby Vision to PS5?

[@Miguel_Noether]

What audio system should we have in order to appreciate in full detail all the engineer mixing? (referring to the 36 channels being used)

[@mindrover777]

Buy 36 speakers and set it up

[@fw40]

A 7.1.4 system ideally. What he means with 36 channels is that when they are placing the sound source point when mixing they can place it in one of the 36 channels. It doesn't mean it supports 36 channels. Tempest isn't a dynamic object based sound format, it's a static mix.

[@RetroMythologist]

Hoping they catch up to my 9.4.6 setup ;)

[@THEDTSMAN]

The EARC implementation is so bad on almost all devices it's actually laughable. I do hope they fix this because it makes the use of ears pointless currently.

[@enriqueyang]

Is there specs sheet. 7.1 vs atmos.. which really sounds better.. sound quality...

[@mrchiledonut]

Technically, Atmos should (and does, to me at least) sound better. From what I gathered, if going by what Mark Cerny is saying, everything is working the same, you just now have the height channels available. So your question is like asking, is 7.1 or 7.1.4 better? And of course, 7.1.4 is better.

[@AJJJ-co2vd]

Ive been using Atmos for awhile on my Xbox and honestly Atmos in my opinion isn't appropriate for all games. Sometimes i prefer shut it off

[@edwardr8226]

I have been wondering why atmos through my rtx 3080 always had an audio delay. This video confirmed I wasn't the only one! After some testing I found that if I disabled Spatial Audio, I could get Atmos passthrough using Media Player (default Windows app) and VLC with a few extra steps. Will have to test some games with Atmos to see if they also passthrough. Shame to hear the PS5 software Atmos upscaler, like the Windows one, also adds that delay.

[@infernaltim]

The PS5 audio sounds compressed compared to other systems and PC.

[@MichaelM28]

No it doesn't xbot

[@infernaltim]

@@MichaelM28 Oooh I upset you on Digital Foundry so you're looking for more to be wrong about in other videos. 😂

[@lesterjohnson2691]

I’m more confused about this topic. So is the PS5 Dolby Atmos working or not? My Series X seems to work. Everything is going directly to reciever

[@AKSBSU]

A simple summary is that audio works better on Atmos-compatible gear, such as a receiver or higher end sound bar.

[@lesterjohnson2691]

Thanks for replying. My receiver is Dolby Atmos able so I guess I’ll be fine.

[@AKSBSU]

@@lesterjohnson2691 More channels can be active with that device now. It’s all good news with the update.

[@lassmirandadennsiewillja3943]

PS5 still has not enough good games but we can now replay all of the existing in Atmos yeaaa

[@NotoriousRawDogger]

Mark schooling DF

[@RobSolid]

Dolby Atmos for Headphones on XBX requires purchase and plus horrible delay

[@mrchiledonut]

For headphones, yes, but not for home theater systems. PS5 doesn't do Atmos for headphones.

[@RobSolid]

@@mrchiledonut 3D Sound contains a Raw Audio for Atmos

[@mrchiledonut]

@@RobSolid It's not using the same technology, otherwise, you'd have to pay for it like on Xbox. The update does nothing for headphones, it wasn't meant to as there's already their tempest 3D audio for headphones. On Xbox, you don't have to pay for Atmos when using a sound system, which was my point, and is most apt for this since what this update was for was for those that have Atmos soundbars and receivers.

[@aaronsmith7143]

​@mrchiledonut It's using tempest 3d spatial audio. 36 channels of audio that Sony themselves created. The difference between MS and Sony is that MS is primarily an OS manufacturer and Sony is huge in audio and video. Sony doesn't rely on 3rd party applications to do what they want to do. The atmos inclusion was just an easy solution to down sample their tempest audio for atmos systems. They also created a lag free solution unlike MS.

[@mrchiledonut]

@@aaronsmith7143 Yes. My comment was about the system update having nothing to do with headphones. If you're wearing headphones, nothing changed. It was for surround sound systems and a PSA that if you are wearing headphones, the settings you've always used still apply, but not for people using an Atmos soundbar or home theater. As well as how considering Sony doesn't use the same tech, you do not have to pay to use Atmos with headphones on PS5, but you never had to pay for Atmos on Xbox when it came to home theater use, just headphones.

[@stekelly1980]

I hope we can find a way to test the ps5 audio lag if any exists, hopefully something that is available on both xbox, playstation, nintendo and pc.

[@bamban_garcia5562]

Doubtful since the lag free solution is something Sony themselves created

[@BeastModeDanny]

There’s a slight delay when using Dolby atmos through my soundbar. It’s fine barely noticeable but still annoying

[@bretwilliams249]

Cerny ftw, same as always.

[@weaponx40]

Am I missing something? I have a series x, lg atmos sound bar, and of c1 oled. Use series x and Dolby atmos and never had lag. Could it be because tv and sound bar are same manufacturer?

[@Steelix371]

No you are not paying attention to it unlike digital foundry their is a small lag and once you notice it will always be their

[@aaronsmith7143]

As the other person said. Once you notice it that shot haunts your dreams lol. I pointed it out to a buddy and he still curses me for it lol.

[@Final_Fantasy_7]

Digital Foundry thinks they are a "know it all".Yet they've never made a piece of hardware or developed a game themselves lol.just when they thought they got it all figured out on how Dolby Atmos works on PS5 here comes the man himself Mr. Mark Cerny explaining how it actually works and why his way is the best implementation.

[@kicapanmanis1060]

They didn't, they speculated cos someone asked a question the previous week and Cerny thought it was an interesting discussion when he heard it and thought of telling them how it works from his engineering end. Also, they don't develop a game themselves but they're always interested in helping and giving feedback to developers from a consumer point of view. They're credited on Crysis 2 and 3 Remastered for a reason, cos they got invited to the studio and was asked directly by the devs what they could be doing to improve.

[@Final_Fantasy_7]

@kicapanmanis1060 Digital Foundry always criticize game developers as if they know how to make a better game yet they have zero experience in game development...there's alot that goes into making a video game from start to finish.And the way I see it,Digital Foundry just sits and wait for that game to come out so they can shit all over it.

[@Kung_Fu_Kenny]

What’re the best audio settings on PS5 when using a 3.1 soundbar?

[@nuggetz4037]

PCM/Linear PCM

[@Kung_Fu_Kenny]

@@nuggetz4037 it’s an atmos bar. Should I enable that when the new update drops? How about the output device - soundbar or av amplifier?

[@nuggetz4037]

@@Kung_Fu_Kenny your initial comment said that it's 3.1. Which suggests that it's not an Atmos bar. An Atmos bar has more channels, such as 5.1.2 or 3.1.2. Set your PS5 to AV amplifier. I'm not in front of my PS5 now but I think that'll enable the speaker location option. Like where each channel is located based on your sitting location, it's very intuitive and you should be able to configure that.

[@wingedhussar1453]

​@nuggetz4037 but I didn't get the beta yet so why set it up

[@Kung_Fu_Kenny]

@@nuggetz4037 it’s a Sony HT-A3000 which is 3.1 and also Atmos. Sonos Beam 2 would be another example.

[@TheeThunderGod]

Cerny said "nah DF bruh. That aint it."

[@Kaptime]

I prefer a good Headphone experience above any other setup so I can't see how Atmos would offer much benefit over a 7.1.4 or even a 5.1.2 I mean at a certain point there has to be diminishing returns, how many ceiling speakers do you really need?

[@AnomieDomine]

The ending .4 or .2 are the Atmos height channels. This is just direct support for using those

[@mrchiledonut]

The update is to allow games that have 3D audio to utilize (without your system up-mixing) the height speakers. It's not about adding above .2 or .4, just about using .2 and .4. Before this, you could not play games with height effects on PS5.

[@REMEDY-REPAIRS]

😁😁😁👍🏾

[@wingedhussar1453]

Why didnt i get the beta

[@MrNYCinc]

Need a code?

[@wingedhussar1453]

@MrNYCinc yes how do I put it in

[@wingedhussar1453]

@@MrNYCinc can I get code

[@wingedhussar1453]

Do u have onr

[@Icylightskined]

Dude why u wear that green shirt every day

[@waterprincess6444]

Sony is late to the party again 🎉

[@Sy-lv9om]

They just hold back and watch the competition crash and so them that slow and steady can win the race 🙂

[@bamban_garcia5562]

Uhh mate the only reason 'Sony is late to the party" was because a certain company paid for years of console exclusivity over atmos sound as well as vision hence they created their own Tempest Engine The official box Germany branch confirmed it themselves

[@waterprincess6444]

@@bamban_garcia5562 so they are late to party , how did that statement crawl up you nether regions.

[@waterprincess6444]

@@Sy-lv9om seems like Sony needs a box to survive , Microsoft doesn’t , yeah crash and burn🤣🤣

[@DriveupLife22]

Wait...this new update doesn't support 7.2.4, ONLY 7.1.4? That's it, I'm selling my PS5.

[@High.on.Life_DnB]

My Sony receiver has 2 LFE outputs but I can't set it to 5.2, it only accepts 5.1 so it's just a 2nd output, but I need to upgrade it anyway as it doesn't even have eARC and barely has any sound customization options, also low frequencies are hard to locate anyway

[@Woogy71]

You don’t need a left and right output for subs. That’s not how bass or subs work.

[@DriveupLife22]

@@Woogy71 That's cute. While I know where you're coming from, if you have three people sitting in a row and the sub is on the left side, the person on the right is experiencing less bass than the one on the left. You add another to balance and boost.

[@High.on.Life_DnB]

@@Woogy71 that's why I added "low frequencies are hard to locate anyway", only above a certain amount of Hz you'll start to be able to locate where it's coming from

[@Woogy71]

@@DriveupLife22 if you’re able to localise your sub it means that those lowest notes, which should blend seamlessly into the other sounds, are now directional. And this is a problem. Two subs is always ideal, but not always achievable in your viewing environment. Placement is critical, regardless of how many subs you’re using. In an ideal world, you’d have two subs, situated on the left and right wall either side of your seated position, but, crucially, running in mono (receiving the same signal). The one place you never want subs is upfront and either side of your main speakers. Again, if you’re able to localise your sub, you need to recalibrate and ensure your crossovers are set correctly.

[@Robert_Prather]

should? they couldn’t test it? really? that is laughable

[@kicapanmanis1060]

There's no software to test it unlike with Xbox Series. This was covered in previous week's episode where a user question generated this discussion.

[@Robert_Prather]

@@kicapanmanis1060 sorry … sony is a big enough company to develop their own custom software to test this. it’s just lazy. i literally laughed out loud when i heard that. everything needs tested to ensure proper execution. that’s basic. “should” should never be said. i have an atmos setup and tested this after watching this on my ps5. it’s really not great.

[@Stanner7447]

Xbox is miles ahead of the PS5

[@lonestarn]

How many miles

[@mitsuhh]

Minus 1@@lonestarn

[@afronautexplorer144]

PS5 is miles ahead of Gaybox

[@jerso79d]

I’d prefer Dolby Vision to be honest

[@Sy-lv9om]

Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t Dolby Vision visual and Dolby atmos sound. Completely two different things.

[@Gladlion]

​@@Sy-lv9omcorrect

[@jerso79d]

Yes, I’d prefer a visual update vs sound

[@davidcache]

Atmos is hott garbage... 2 feet by 2 feet wide sweetspot with phase incoherency thats out of this world... Itt makes no sense

[@High.on.Life_DnB]

But this won't be real Dolby Atmos, it still uses the Tempest engine for rendering the sound, it will just be in a Atmos container as afaik LPCM doesn't have support for height channels

[@Case_]

There's no reasonable distinction between "real Atmos" and "just Atmos container" from the playback standpoint. Even games that have "direct/real" Dolby Atmos support (on other platforms) still use an equivalent of the Tempest engine to create the individual channels. If done correctly, this part is completely transparent (and irrelevant) from the listener's standpoint.

[@High.on.Life_DnB]

@@Case_ not completely true, if that was the case , dolby 5.1 should sound the same as LPCM 5.1 which isn't the case If LPCM supported height channels, that would 100% be the way to go

[@Case_]

​@@High.on.Life_DnB It should indeed, outside of the fact that Dolby is a lossy format while PCM isn't. Provided someone can hear the difference (but I have no doubt many will claim they absolutely can, this is after all audio we're talking about). There's no such difference in "true Atmos" vs "Tempest Atmos", the source is the same in both cases, as is the format the audio data is delivered to the receiver.

[@High.on.Life_DnB]

@@Case_ dolby sure does have a different sound profile compared to lpcm, I can definitely tell there's a difference other than just digital vs lpcm even DTS sounds different from both.

[@HiN00bs12]

Ps5 is superior! Weakbox series x keeps taking major Ls since launch 😂

[@LCJammer]

ponies salty cuz starfield not coming to ps5 😂

[@HiN00bs12]

@@LCJammer game will die at launch 😂. Just like gaylo infinite ass did.

[@LCJammer]

@@HiN00bs12 sure thing. i own a ps5, xbsx, switch, and pc and watching ponies like you being salty af is amusing. 🤣 grow up kid. lol

[@Ahmedaa-xq9qf]

@@LCJammer dead game

[@LCJammer]

@Ahmedaa-xq9qf oh look another pony 😆

[@chikung6904]

“Sony Atmos”. Not “Dolby Atmos” Why are you guys pushing this like it is real Dolby Atmos ….. stop it. Lol what a joke.

[@afronautexplorer144]

Bitter little Xbot

[@aaronsmith7143]

So what you are saying is your plastic box couldn't create their own audio mixing and container for receiving so they have to rely on 3rd party? Sony's tempest solution already has better implementation than what MS is doing. All they know how to do is plug in whatever they can get theor hands on because creativity is lost on them. But go ahead and pay for 3D headphone audio like the true Chad you are.