Dialect of Venetian | Can Spanish, Catalan, and Portuguese speakers understand it? | #2

[@elnofeo7146]

A galician, spanish and portuguese video would be really awesome. Also thanks for make these videos.

[@Taliannu_i_stiddi_arrassu]

Are galician and portuguese very similar?

[@tubinho79]

That will be easy for them. A more interesting one would be, all the European Latin languages.

[@BernardoPatino]

Make them react to Gaúcho

[@TheZenytram]

All languages from iberian peninsula would be cool

[@jasonwood3405]

Castellano, gallego, catalán y portugués.

[@pedrolorenzato]

In the south of Brazil there's a dialect called "Talian" wich is very close do the dialect Veneto! Would be very nice to see two speakers together!

[@guidoylosfreaks]

Chipileño en México

[@bbq6867]

I would like to know one thing about portugal and brazil if you can tell me, i am italiano, and i was wondering if a portuguese can perfectly understand brazilian, and if the portuguese one understands that the person who is talking to come from brazil? I mean, ive heard portuguese is like the same as brazilian, but one my friend who is dominicana understands better brazilian than portuguese. Tell me if you understand and thank you earlier🙌

[@pedrolorenzato]

Ciao Tommaso! Allora...tranne qualche parola o modo di dire diversi il portoghese europeu e quello brasiliano è lo stesso. Abbiamo però un accento molto diverso tra di noi e questo fa si che la comunicazione sia un pò faticosa all'inizio ma poi ci si abitua.

[@jotareiss]

@@bbq6867 As a native brazilian, we can easily notice if the speaker is talking in pt-br or pt-pt. The latter sounds a bit weird to us because of flow, accent and some grammar aspects. Sometimes if the speaker is talking too fast, it's kinda tricky to understand, becoming as hard as spanish, i guess. Most of Brazilians also cannot recognize if the speaker is from Portugal or from another lusophone country, like Angola or Mozambique.

[@bbq6867]

@@pedrolorenzatoaaaaaah ora ho capito grazie mille, complimenti per l'italiano comunque visto che suppongo tu non sia italiano👏

[@nikocabrera9993]

“Foc” *everyone confused* Catalan: it’s to start a fire 💁‍♀️ Everyone: realization 😲

[@tiagomota4734]

In romanian its the same

[@olbiomoiros]

In Cypriot Greek we say φόκος focos (we have a lot of Italian words).

[@lagarona851]

fuoc!

[@djyppo]

Fogo in portuguese. I was thinking of "foc" as "foco('to focus' in English)" in portuguese

[@ldgam]

Favorite part of the whole video!

[@JulioDavidAuster]

Xícara (pt) viene del castellano jícara, que a su vez proviene del náhutl xicalli: pocillo o vasija hecha con la corteza del fruto de la calabaza o de la güira (de Wikipedia).

[@gerardomalazdrewicz7514]

Bien por Andrea, que dijo que era una palabra americana.

[@alexandergranados1718]

Nahuatl : El idioma de los Aztecas. Otras palabras que provienen del Nahuatl son Chocolate, metate, chipotle, tomate entre otras palabras.

[@BernardoPatino]

it's come full circle lol

[@enriquegranados5179]

@@alexandergranados1718 También chicle (xictli), que se pronuncia «shictli». Cacahuatl ( cacahuate, o cacahuete, como dicen en España).

[@thetimeofyourlife8517]

no sabia que en otros paises se usaba la palabra pocillo..en Venezuela se usa esa palabra en los andes y cuando digo pocillo en Caracas hay gente que no entiende

[@kwillibo]

Con estos videos se ha comprobado la alta inteligibilidad de las lenguas romances, luego veo los comentarios y me pregunto ¿por qué algunos escriben los comentarios en inglés? Todos podemos escribir en nuestra respectiva lengua y aún así podemos entendernos perfectamente.

[@laurafernandez2848]

Complejo de viralata, dirían en portugués.

[@serfin01]

The catalan girl has advantage, ‘cause she’s bilingual (Spanish and Catalan). Trentino language sometimes uses words really close to Catalan and sometimes uses words really close to Spanish, so she was at an advantage . I’m Catalan native speaker ✌🏼

[@paticubellsricart5961]

She speaks 6 languages, sure it is an advantage

[@serfin01]

Pati Cubells Ricart I love languages as well. 6 is a good number. Merci per la teva resposta Pati.

[@brendagavilan]

@@paticubellsricart5961 I only speak spanish and catalan (and English) and I had the same ease than her.

[@zakya.6982]

@@paticubellsricart5961 I love how you refer to yourself as "she."

[@martinaavalos6825]

WOW ALL Catalán are bilingua??? 😳 Niceee

[@englishlearningcenter1470]

Wow! Romance languages are so similar! Being a native Spanish speaker, to be a polyglot is only a step away. Thank you for your amazing videos! Greetings from Honduras

[@luanb2108]

Yeah, it’s for sure easily than it is for a non latin speaker. But they are so similar that at some points you start to mix and switch them hahah it’s literally a brain bug

[@KotrokoranaMavokely]

Romanic langs in a medium advanced aren't easier, they are 🌹😍 and charming bit not easy in advanced level they all can confuses anyone on the world neolaton speaker or non neolatine speaker.

[@octaviantimisoreanu5810]

Learning the meaning of "mister" and "roba" in Trentino made things significantly easier to understand. So I had far less difficulty compared to the first video because I wasn't caught up on trying to decipher those words. in Romanian: 4. Scaun =Chair (from Latin scamnum, meaning stool) 5. Cana/canita = coffee cup or mug/ small cup. (possibly from German "kanne" introduced through Bulgarian "kana") 6. Chibrit= match (most likely from Arabic "kibrit" introduced from Turkish "kibrit") Bonus: "Foc" in Romanian and Trentino are identical (fire) "Legn" in Trentino is "Lemn" in Romanian (wood). Reasoning: I was able to understand what Andrea was describing because the sentence "l'e 'n mister fat de legn" sounds like "este un obiect facut de lemn" (Romanian) "it's a thing made of wood". The key word here was "legn" or "lemn" in Romanian which means wood. After he started describing that it is used in the kitchen and you can sit on it, I got that it was a "scaun" or "chair". For the next word he said "l'e" n misterot" which having learned "mister" means "thing", I deduced that "misterot" must be the diminutive of "mister", so it's a "little thing". Andrea confirms this by saying "picenim" which sounds similar to Spanish "pequena" (small). I was able to understand what he was talking about when he said it was used to hold coffee. For the last word, I deduced that he was talking about a match from the sentence "misterot fat de legn" "picenim" "l'e strent" = "un obiect mic facut de lemn" "mic" "e strimt" (Romanian). "a little thing made of wood" "small" "it's narrow". But I think what sealed the deal was when he said "co na crapotina rosa"= "cu un caput rosu" (with a small red top" followed by "el doprem per emprizar en foc" = "il folosim pentru a aprinde un foc" (Romanian) = "We use it to light a fire" and the key word here was "foc", but I think this was overkill. I was surprised to find that the words "foc" and "legn" exist in Romanian.

[@gerardomalazdrewicz7514]

Spanish leña (the cognate here) means pieces of wood (cut from the tree) used to make fire.

[@octaviantimisoreanu5810]

Gerardo Malazdrewicz yo se porque habló español también. Pero gracias por el comentario. Me gusta cuando encontramos palabras similares en nuestros idiomas. Y español es mi idioma favorito

[@paolox2458]

@@octaviantimisoreanu5810 Si però in italiano è 'lo' idioma, maschile. Anche in spagnolo

[@octaviantimisoreanu5810]

@@paolox2458 Gracias por su correccion. La verdad es que todavia estoy aprendieno espanol y necesito mucho practicar pero no tengo oportunidad de hablar espanol en Canada. Todavia confundo los sustativos masculinos y femeninos

[@canisjay]

Em português também existe a palavra "lenha" e foc se diz "fogo".

[@vincem3748]

Fun fact: "foc" is also "fire" in Romanian 🔥

[@sidnewsound]

🔥 fire: "fogo", em Português.

[@judna1]

Then Catalan, Romanian and the Trentino dialect have this in common 👌🏽👏🏽

[@polly2839]

@@sidnewsound in sardo "fogu"

[@robertoh3633]

Fuego en español

[@CelestialExility]

🔥fire: "brand"🔥 in Dutch (not even close lol)

[@ObvsCam93]

I don't know why but this was much easier to understand than the last vid. The 'mister' thing really threw me off last time haha

[@podcastseriea7947]

What does mister mean?

[@livornoff]

Podcast Serie A mister means “thing”

[@harmonizer87261]

Mister and roba threw me off last time. Now I know. mister = thing roba = word.

[@midnightsun978]

No, roba doesn't mean word. Roba in Italian and in many local languages of Italy means "thing" or "stuff"

[@Jormone]

+Harmonizer87261 Nope bro, "Mister" means object and "roba" thing ;

[@avishaiedenburg1102]

For what it's worth, I understand many people in Trentino speak Ladin and Lombard, which are both close to Franco-Provençal and Occitan, two languages that are in turn extremely close to Catalan.

[@JoseDaSilva-tt5ut]

Ladin/Ladino it's a laguage with Portuguese, Spanish and Jew

[@avishaiedenburg1102]

@@JoseDaSilva-tt5ut that's Ladino/Spaniolit, which is not the same as Ladin, despite the similar name

[@JoseDaSilva-tt5ut]

@@avishaiedenburg1102 Your absolutly right, my mistake sorry

[@triarii217]

Lombard is not spoken in Trentino, but there are more dialects other than Ladin and standard Trentino.

[@Kurisuto321]

Catalan and Occitan are virtually the same language, but it seems to me Catalan and Franco-provençal speakers would have a hard time understanding each other, maybe I'm wrong though.

[@antoniaferrer4626]

In mallorquin(a dialect of catalan) we use escudella (the place where we cook or we serve a meal, usually made of clay) and my grandmother used to call a litle cup txiquera or chiquereta. It is amazing how easy this dialects is now that we had the experience from the one before(misteri e roba😁) I think for catalan speakers it is very easy!!

[@jordijulve3572]

Bona dada que has donat germana, però ningú t'ha preguntat 😎

[@oleksijm]

So Trentino belongs to the extended family of the 'Gallo-Romance-Occitan-Catalan', which is quite clear from this video. It's no wonder the Catalan lady understood it best. Incidentally, that family of languages/dialects is located along more or less the same latitude.

[@arichis]

Trento is significantly further north compared to Catalonia. For example Barcelona lies at 41°N which is roughly at the same latitude as Rome which is in central Italy. Trento is at 46°N close to the Austrian border.

[@ivantomasini2987]

Is true

[@fabedavid]

It's weird also because Trentino is a mountain region historically very peripheric and isolated.

[@andrewbollard5701]

Norbert, can you do a video with a speaker of the Southern French accent (L'accent du Midi)? Phonetically it is closer to other Romance languages (due do its derivation from Occitan) than the standard Parisian French accent, and the more I hear Catalan and Trentim the more I think this would be a fascinating excercise in mutual intelligibility. The regional accents of France are often overlooked, and it would be fantastic to bring some of them to Ecolinguist! What do people think?

[@midnightsun978]

Not trying to start a flame, however it has to be said that they're overlooked because Paris effectively forced them into extinction

[@adamelhawari166]

@John 3 Fun fact: If Occitan (Languedoc mainly) had became the standard French instead of Parisian and Catalan the standard Spanish instead of Castilian, Spanish and French would be mutually intelligible

[@intarc0giotto]

i think usually the italian dialects have more in common with other romance languages than standard italian.

[@santakosoundsystem7542]

Because the "Italian dialects" are actually different languages. When Italy was unified, Tuscan became the "national language" to unite and homogenize the new nation-state and was then called "standard Italian".

[@libertaslibertas5923]

@@santakosoundsystem7542 it was already the official language of all preunity states.

[@libertaslibertas5923]

@@santakosoundsystem7542 and according to your reasoning german french danish croatian dutch swedish and chinese dialects would be languages because they are not mutually inteligible with their national standard languages . But they are not protected,they are assimilated and called dialects of their national languages. So why should italy be different?

[@santakosoundsystem7542]

@@libertaslibertas5923 I am not saying what Italy should do. I say they are different languages, like the other examples you said. Some people say that a language is a dialect with an army. But it is not science, it is politics. According to linguistic science, they are different languages.

[@BambolaSgarbie]

​@@libertaslibertas5923 In Italy the word dialect is used very much but it often means language. Grazia Deledda, who had a Nobel Prize in the Italian literature (1926), said: "in Italian I still write in a bad way because I got to use the Sardinian dialect, that's actutually a different language". Almost everyone in Italy use the word "dialect", even if someone is keen to stress: "my dialect isn't actually italian but another language".

[@fureyize]

Fun facts: serar in trentino is closer to cerrar than “chiudere” (serrare is a form which sounds very old). “Closed” is “serà”, closer to serrado than to “chiuso”. The conditional ends in -ía like in Spanish (diria - I would say - could be both Spanish and Trentino. “Narìa” = I would go (like “iría”, “andrei” in Italian. “Faría” is “I would do”, “haría” in Spanish and “farei” in Italian). To sit = sentarse, again closer to Spanish than to Italian “sedersi”. Also, we say “a mi me pias”, a mix of “a mi me gusta” and “mi piace”. And the negative is closer to Spanish: “a mi no me pias”. We don’t use “non”, we use “no” instead. “He” is “el” and not “lui”. “She” is “ela” and not “lei”.

[@alfrredd]

It's crazy how two languages so far apart geographically could develop the same characteristics. Or maybe they are the closest to the origin (latin) and the others languages diverged 🤔

[@c.n.9579]

@@alfrredd they are not far apart geographically, All these caracteristics can be found in all languages of Northern Italy and Southern France, there is a continuum. Northern Italian "dialects" do not belong to Dalmato-Italian languages, though they have been influenced by standard Italian in the last century.

[@triarii217]

Bella vezz

[@Lokomasloko76]

Entiendo más este dialecto que a los Chilenos

[@fabiolimadasilva3398]

Sim, quase não fecham a boca para falar... :P

[@marcosmoreira7034]

Espanhol da América Latina é diferente. É crioulo.

[@santiagosuarez5712]

@@marcosmoreira7034 It is a joke between spanish speakers, the chilenean people are known for speak very bad and with a lot of slang. Es un chiste entre hispanoparlantes, los chilenos son conocidos por hablar bastante mal y con muchos modismos.

[@alexandergranados1718]

@@fabiolimadasilva3398 hahaha falam muita merda!

[@t4m4l-d3-dvlc3]

@@marcosmoreira7034 but, latinoamerica isn't a country, they have so many countries so, each one country has their own spanish variation.

[@renatobabka263]

Actually misto in Portuguese is "mixed", the sandwich he said is called misto cuz you mix ham and cheese.

[@macedo8410]

In Spain that sandwich is called "mixto" and in catalan is "bikini"

[@adamelhawari166]

@@macedo8410 Fun fact: In Catalan it's called Bikini because a night club in Barcelona with that name (you can Google it "Sala Bikini Barcelona") popularized that sandwich.

[@247-x2i]

In Basque (it isn't a Romance language) small cup is called "Kikara" (the pronuntiation is very close to Trentino "Chichera").

[@Edgar.Cantú432]

7:25 the face of the Brazilian and the Mexican guy when they hear the word "foc". wait a moment, what do you say? did he really say that? That sounds very bad in English! Paty: is per fer foc! hoooooo of course, Fogo, Fuego, Fire hahahahaha I was going to say pencil ...

[@paticubellsricart5961]

In catalan is also Foc, no fog ;)

[@Edgar.Cantú432]

@@paticubellsricart5961 sorry

[@grijalbandurress57]

Edd y que te parece, Pyre y Fire...brother y fhrater y bhratair ...chefe y chief..somos una mixtura de Chili's(penis)yo español,Io italiano, inapo yoreme anne(yo yoreme ser,,,yaqui &mayo, tribu de sonora).. saludos

[@alovioanidio9770]

You still have many options of romance languages like Neapolitan, Occitan, European Portuguese, Galician. Not mentioning the germanic ones.

[@kame9]

mirandese, sardinian or a mallorquin/balearic speakers :D

[@Mitchazeh]

+ Asturian, Ladino, Valencian, etc.

[@rokivulovic7598]

​@@kame9 balearic = catalan

[@rokivulovic7598]

@@Mitchazeh valencian = catalan

[@alexderamon2060]

@@rokivulovic7598 yeah It's Catalan but it would be still very interesting to bring a Balearic speaker because this dialect is very different from the one spoken in Barcelona and from Spanish and share a lot more of things with French and conserves old Catalan words that were lost in Barcelona Catalan and were substituted by Spanish words.

[@SamuelTochetto]

Abraços dos descendentes Trentinos no Brasil. Em especial Rio Grande do Sul.

[@paolox2458]

Una volta ho sentito parlare il trentino-brasileiro, mi pare del Paranà, mi sembra diverso da questo, più vicino al veneto, forse originario della Valsugana. Questo dialetto dovrebbe essere della città di Trento. Emigravano i contadini dalle campagne, difficilmente i cittadini.

[@oscarberolla9910]

Saludos de un italoperuano a un italobrasileño...

[@eduardoschiavon5652]

Verdade cara, fiquei impressionado com a semelhança entre o trentino e o Talian. Eu sei que o Talian tem grande influencia do veneto, mas imagino que tenha influencia do trentino também

[@ivantomasini2987]

En che ne tanti anca a NovaTrento nel sud del Brasile

[@lele14Norseman]

@@paolox2458 Sono di Trento, secondo me Andrea parla una variante di trentino che si parla a Rovereto o comunque in Vallagarina. Il fatto che dica "bom" invece di "bon" e "carta vedràa" invece di "carta vedrada" (come diciamo noi a Trento) mi sembrano gli indizi più evidenti in tal senso, si tratta comunque di dialetti molto vicini tra loro.

[@hieratics]

I hope there will be an Occitan video like this sometime 🙏

[@LT-xm5pt]

Profundamente feliz por ambos videos, sobretodo todo por oir más el catalán, que espero aprender pronto. Gracias a todos.

[@Mercure250]

Une fois n'est pas coutume, as we say in French, here are the French words : 4. "chaise", feminine. I was confused by "sentarse" because the French word is "s'assoir" (or "s'asseoir" before the spelling reform), so it looks pretty different, and, to me, it looked more like "se sentir" (to feel). So I was like "ok, something made of wood, around a table... and it's made to feel? What?" and I totally forgot the Spanish word was "sentarse" despite the fact I studied Spanish 5. So, the general word, for both coffee and tea and other drinks in the same vein, would be "tasse" (feminine), and there isn't really a word for the smaller version, at least here in Quebec. I believe in France, they say "tasse" for the small version and "mug" (masculine, from English) for the bigger version, while in Quebec, we would use "tasse" for both and specify the size with an adjective (petite tasse vs grande tasse). But both are used for both coffee and tea, anyway. We would have to specify the purpose by saying something like "tasse à café". So I guess the correct translation here would be something like "petite tasse à café". 6. "allumette", feminine. Comes from the French word "allumer" which means "to light", in the sense of "to ignite" (it also means "to turn on", for something that works with electricity, but that's another thing). I was confused at first, I was like "ok, made of wood and it's long and thin" so I first thought "cure-dents" (toothpick) but then he said it had a pink... something (didn't understand the word "crapota" either; to me, it looked like the verb "crapoter" which is what you do when you smoke without really smoking, you just make the smoke enter your mouth without breathing it in your lungs and you just let the smoke out of your mouth after that, I figured this probably wasn't what he meant lol), so I was totally confused, then he explained, and I was starting to think about what fits the description, but before I could find anything satisfying, he said "per empizar en foc", and since I fortunately know the etymology of the different words for "fire" in the Romance languages, I immediately understood what it was. I think it would have taken more time for me to understand if I didn't know that, and I would have probably gotten it when Isidor and Lucas figured it out. This dialect is a bit hard to understand sometimes for me, but if you have a good knowledge of the French language, including the etymology of words, and/or if you have a good knowledge of another Romance language (especially Italian, I'm guessing, but maybe that's cheating at this point), you can figure it out.

[@lingux_yt]

i have never noticed that "sentar" and "sentir" are so similar haha

[@kame9]

there are very similar verb like casar/cazar cerrar/serrar cocer/coser

[@occhialcielo.Occhialcielo]

In my mother dialect, from Molise, "sit down" is "siètt-te", which os similar both to trentin and napulitan "assiettate". I'm talking about the imperative mode. In Italian it's "siediti": not that different! But the infinitive of "siediti" is "sedersi"(/"sedere") which is also the word for the butt "il sedere".

[@ivantomasini2987]

Esemple in French Je ne plu In Trentino En ge ne pu

[@ivantomasini2987]

@@occhialcielo.Occhialcielo è un po' diverso

[@RoderickVI]

Occitan, Catalan and Ligure please!

[@julienf2301]

Occitan-Catalan is too easy, it will be almost always the same words. And the Ligurian person will feel very lonely XD You could replace either the Catalan or the Ligurian by a Piedmontese, it would become a bit more homogeneous.

[@RoderickVI]

@@julienf2301 Well, I mean, an Auvernhat Occitan speaker and a Valencian Catalan speaker would probably further apart. But sure, standard Catalan and Lenguadoc will probably be 99% the same words. Ligure however is also very close to Occitan. But I can see how Piedmonteis, Occitan and Ligure could work.

[@alasdairmelling248]

Wait, in Trentino do they prnounce the 'z' in fazile like an English 'th' or Castilian 'c/z'?

[@Ricard25J]

Lower Aragon, sorry.

[@harmonizer87261]

th as in 'thing', c in 'hacer'

[@lingux_yt]

yes, but the mouth stays shut! i have never seen that

[@fureyize]

I’m from Trento and no, it’s not the same sound. It’s a “z” which is typical also in the Bologna area. No tongue and no gap between lower and upper teeth. The only sound close to the English “th” is found in Tuscany, where some people pronounce words like “metodo” “methodo”

[@olbosin]

@@tiagocarmo8976 because in southwestern trentino they speak Lombard (eastern lombard/alpine lombard) so a cisalpine language (gallo-cisalpine), and in the other parts of trentino they speak Venetian (trentino dialect) so a venetian language or in some place ladin, a rhaetian language So your grandmother is from Trentino but actually don't speak trentino dialect

[@jillcampbell8019]

Really enjoy your videos. Find them very intriguing. Thanks!

[@mkelkar1]

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[@gustavodeoliveira5254]

You could make one with south-brazilian german and european german, I always wondered if they are inteligible

[@antoniom6888]

Podrías incluir al aleman hablado en el norte de México, hay una KZbinr que lo habla se llama “Menonita Mexicana”

[@A-ID-A-M]

Maybe add Pennsylvania Dutch (its actually just a form of old German) too and Texas German.

[@abuhado-verbigraciaramirez8682]

Add Texas german

[@Pedritoturrito]

Jajajajaj buenísimo! A partir de la 4 ya se entienden perfectamente. Incluso dicen "dale que sino no terminamos más" francamente yo a esta altura también podría estar conversando. Que divertido! Gracias por estos videos

[@kevindasilvagoncalves468]

O brasileiro disse que é mais fácil entender o Trentino que o Italiano. Discordo totalmente. Alguém pensa o mesmo que ele?

[@gustavodeoliveira5254]

Eu tbm acho o italiano padrão mais fácil

[@japeri171]

Eu compreendo o Italiano;já o Trentino me parece uma mistura de Italiano e Francês.

[@bumble.bee22]

@@gustavodeoliveira5254 up

[@BOLSONARONACADEIA]

Nada a ver.Italiano é a terceira língua mais fácil de entender pra nós.Em primeiro vem o galego e espanhol em segundo.Esse trentino é bem difícil.

[@josuegabriel8066]

Eu consigo entender o italiano bem, mesmo que eu não fale italiano, já o dialeto trentino achei um mais complicado.

[@RegenteDoBrazil]

Divirto-me muito com estes vídeos, principalmente os de idiomas latinos. E esse final aí... Foi a melhor parte! 😂❤️

[@moe_rm]

I'm a Catalan and I understood these really quickly !!

[@thsampaiouni]

Para nativos de Português e Espanhol é mais fácil entender Italiano que Trentino

[@andrebueno_]

Eu falo espanhol e português, mas mal consegui entender o italiano

[@thsampaiouni]

André Denarø sim... mas ele estava falando trentino... se estiver ouvindo a língua italiana é certo que compreende mais!

[@andrebueno_]

@@thsampaiouni Sim, sim, sei que era Trentino, mas na moral, eu não consigo entender o Italiano

[@cec8169]

Eu também acho mais fácil de entender o Italiano do que o Dialeto Trentino

[@CaioHornstein]

Para mim, o italiano é muito, mas muito mais fácil de entender do que trentino.

[@peterfoxts]

Chiesa comes from ecclesia, that is asembly, cathedral has the meaning of the chair of the bishop

[@osvaldobenavides5086]

Super video! I applauded for $2.00 👏

[@ilijamitrevski1210]

Hey man I know you get a lot of requests but I just wanna say that if you could get Simon back on to test the mutual intelligibility of Old English and some Germanic languages that'd be really cool. And a classical Latin and romance languages video is a nice idea also but what would be best is an Old Church Slavonic video with Slavic speakers, hopefully with a Macedonian speaker since it is a direct descendant ;)

[@Robertoslaw.Iksinski]

In terms of grammar and pronunciation Old Church Slavonic is quite universal and still quite understandable for many Slavic speakers, but unfortunately is not very practical, because in Old Church Slavonic liturgical vocabulary is much richer than vocabulary associated with daily life in 21st century ;)

[@ilijamitrevski1210]

@@Robertoslaw.Iksinski yeah with Latin and Ancient Greek there's tones upon tones of poetry and philosophical material to go off of but I'm pretty confident that some simple sentences in OCS could be made like in the OE Vs modern English comparison video. There's people out there that speak Latin as fluently as any other language so a full on video just like the ones with living languages is possible and even if that's not the case with OCS hearing some preprepared sentences with proper pronunciation would still be fun, would it not?

[@Robertoslaw.Iksinski]

For comparisons and for fun also Proto-Balto-Slavic may be very good and universal, although today finding a good Proto-Balto-Slavic speaker is as difficult as finding a good Old Church Slavonic speaker :)

[@ilijamitrevski1210]

@@Robertoslaw.Iksinski from what I've heard of proto balto-slavic it's not at all understandable; a Latvian or Lithuanian speaker might have better luck. Proto-slavic on the other hand, might be very interesting and you don't need someone that can speak it, just someone that can pronounce preprepared sentences like in the OE video Norbert did.

[@Philoglossos]

@@ilijamitrevski1210 The latin video will be out soon ;-)

[@Bellusik13]

Hurray! :) Was very much looking forward to the second part of this video! :) As a French speaker with some basic knowledge of Spanish, Trentino was fairly easy to understand. The Catalan also was intelligible by about 80%. :))) Had some trouble with the Brazilian dialect of Portuguese though... could only get about 40% of it. :(

[@aleidalg]

Bellkin13 As a Catalan, having also a native level of Spanish, I could understand pretty much everyone! I feel privileged :)

[@xXxLLIaMaHxXx]

Good job, you guys! It was kinda harder to understand this time, but Spanish, residual knowledge of Latin and the English subs helped a lot :) Norbert, you can also try to make this game with non-native speakers knowing foreign languages. For example a teacher of Russian from France (French native), a translator from Ukrainian to Czech from Czech Republic (Czech native) trying to understand a Belorussian native-speaker.

[@matthieulamiable4757]

I study latin, it's incredible how much it helps me to understand these romance languages.

[@Mitchazeh]

Chichera y xícara, vienen del castellano jícara (antiguamente "xícara", pero con igual pronunciación) y ésta, a su vez, del náhuatl "xicalli".

[@maxrs1708]

Trentino shares so many similarities with catalan, that's really cool

[@gioq4702]

try Marchigiano... even more!

[@rocknrollarnr6202]

I suppose its becouse trento was part of the aragon kingdom sometime.

[@xavi010789]

Se me hizo muy complicado entender el Tretino, como español nativo logré incluso comprender el rumano un poco más en el video que ya llegaste a mostrar. Excelente

[@teagamer187]

Para mim e muito fácil entender mexicano do que o espanhol " europeu " :) Portugal sauda-vos .

[@kame9]

a mi no se me hizo complicado, lo entendí bastants bien.

[@Mitchazeh]

@@teagamer187 El amigo mexicano trata de hablar correctamente, y vocaliza bien, pero no permitir que se escuche al menos en una ocasión el castellano peninsular (europeo) le quita al experimento lingüístico elementos de análisis. Además, a Isidro le he encontrado en más de una ocasión cierta ignorancia de vocabulario del castellano estándar, conociendo solo las palabras que se usan en México. Me parece una buena persona, ojalá expanda un poco más su vocabulario.

[@alovioanidio9770]

Rumano lol

[@luciosales7451]

e eu como brasileiro entendi mais o trentino do que o romeno

[@aquiestamos3567]

4:38 em Portugal dizem "chávena"

[@alovioanidio9770]

Palavra de origem asiática.

[@antoniocamara5960]

Mas antigamente, em Portugal, também dizia-se xícara.

[@Procyon23]

As a catalan I'm REALLY surprised how easily I could understand this italian dialect!! Amazing!!

[@evaldo.weckerlin]

Como faz pra participar disso? é muito legal, eu que sou amante de idiomas adorei o projeto!

[@beganday4824]

An episode with a southern italian dialect would be amazing, maybe the Apulian or Campanian one. Wonderful job as always.

[@thetimeofyourlife8517]

It's funny how they didn't understand the word foc, and the Catalan girl said something and then the Portuguese guy said fogo and that made the Spanish guy say fuego. 8:05

[@igorjee]

Linguistic chain reaction.

[@3stro]

I agree with Isidor, Trentino sounds fairly similar to Catalan to me.

[@lingux_yt]

"disnar", like "dîner" in French. the circumflex diacritic shows that there was once an extra letter in that word ("disner", probably). cool :)

[@midnightsun978]

Yes exactly!

[@rossellamoar6956]

Da Trentina posso dire che il dialetto trentino può cambiare molto da valle a valle :) Comunque interessantissimo, amo tanto questi video, un bacione!

[@kuanxD]

Fun facto, Trentino still spoken in the south of brazil, as co-official language of some cities, also known as Talian

[@alexone8338]

Both Trentino and Talian are dialects of the Venetian language.

[@frfre6324]

@@alexone8338 non del tutto il trentino varia da valle in valle, quello della Valsugana è più simile al Veneto

[@redere4777]

My family speaks Latin American Spanish, and while the first word that came to my mind for match was "fósforo", we also say "misto". It was a nice surprise to see Catalan says it too.

[@ilpoetachepetapetunie]

By the way this is a dialect but of another language (veneto). In Italy people almost always call their language as a dialect. Even most of Sardinians and Friulians call their recognized language "my dialect".

[@BambolaSgarbie]

It's true. Grazia Deledda, who had a Nobel Prize in the Italian literature (1926), said: "in Italian I still write in a bad way because I got to use the Sardinian DIALECT, that's actutually a different language". Almost everyone in Italy use the word "dialect", even if someone wants to highlight "that's actually a separate language".

[@rampazzodavid46]

Beautiful! We need more videos like this where regional languages/dialects are talked.

[@Markxulonis77]

The next video, occitan language standard, can italian, spanish and portuguese speakers understand it? Thanks!

[@RegenteDoBrazil]

Up

[@hieratics]

I would like to see how good Catalan, French, Portuguese or Spanish would understand Occitan

[@RoderickVI]

@@hieratics As a Catalan speaker, Ill tell you, Occitan is about 90% what we speak, just more conservative. So it would almost be like 2 Occitan speakers talking to one another.

[@RoderickVI]

@@hieratics But yes, I agree, Id love to see that video

[@MrBegliocchi]

I think french should be involved rather than portuguese as Occitan is spoken in france

[@GrayFairytale]

The fact that a nahuatlism such as "Xicalli" made it all the way from Mexico to Europe and stayed as Chichera in Trentino is amazing! In Spanish, it became "jícara" which is a type of bowl made out of a fruit, usually a jícaro or a pumpkin, and it's mostly used to drink cacao beverages.

[@247-x2i]

In Basque we call it Kikara (very similar pronuntiation to Trentin)

[@giulianoottonello]

Que trabajito poner tantos subtitulos, buen video!

[@exurgiteuropa8722]

Am actually learning my 6th language now, and this video is one of the most satisfactories that I ever encountered. Great combo.

[@albizabm]

Spodziewałem się niezłego skoku!😁 Thank you! Really fun. Even in Veneto the chair is called "carega". We also have Mount Carega😁

[@juanfran579]

Within the varieties of catalan the vocab often changes considerably, especially fruit and veg. When the Catalonian explained the ingredients of la Escudella she mentioned patata, pastanaga, seba, carn. Seba and carn is the same in Valencian but pastanaga would be zafanòria and patata creilla ( carrot and potato).

[@fernandobock1971]

Bom video , tava esperando por ele

[@albertjussan9150]

I really appreciate the idea of this video and I hope that you keep doing videos like this! But there are 2 mistakes: in the title appears "dialect of Italian" which is wrong, as written in the description the dialect spoken by Andrea Zoller belongs to the Venetian language. Second wrong thing is that the dialect spoken in the western part of Trentino region belongs to the Lombard language, plus there are some areas in the north where they speak Ladin, so it cannot be said that the whole region of Trentino belongs linguistically to the Venetian language. You should explain these. Thank you.

[@PrinzEugen1912]

In valencian, "quiquereta" or "quíquera" (with the same sound that "chichera" in trentinian) means the same. Also "tasseta".

[@enric-x]

Valencian and Catalan are the same language, and quíquera (with the same meaning of course) is also used in the soutern region of Catalonia around the city of Tortosa

[@PrinzEugen1912]

@@enric-x They are not the same language, similar but not the same.

[@enric-x]

@@PrinzEugen1912 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@PrinzEugen1912]

@@enric-x 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@MiThreeSunz]

Always enjoy these videos! Can you please do one with in Italian, Sicilian, Sardinian and Corsican? I think that would be cool! 😎

[@Calendula_3.6]

We can notice a language continuum between those languages: Trentino > Catalan > Spanish > Portuguese.

[@gigieinaudi24]

Bravo. C’era fino al 1100 credo e andavi da Ragusa in Dalmazia a Lisbona passando da Verona Milano Aigues Barcellona e Vigo senza nessun problema. Era un volgare comune neoromanico. Poi gli Stati ‘nazionali’ hanno rovinato tutto

[@patriciacarvalho5911]

Thank you for making another great video! I watched it twice and was again amazed at how much I could understand of the Trentino dialect (I’m a native Portuguese speaker). I wanted to note that we do have the word “cátedra” in Brazilian Portuguese and it means “professor, or a university lecturer”, similarly to Catalan and Spanish. However, this is a word rarely used nowadays, but it used to be common about a century or so ago. Also, I have a feeling that the word “fulminante” in Portuguese, may be related to the word “furminant” in the Trentino dialect. In Portuguese, it means something extremely destructive, and if I squint really hard, I can almost see how it could be related matches (Trentino), or anything that can generate fire.

[@Roger-ph8og]

It would be really interesting to have catalan, french, italian speakers trying to understand occitan.

[@Alan-xe4st]

Catalan would instantly get every word right, pretty sure.

[@fernandomallafre9833]

Sounds very good! As a Catalan native I could understand a lot, obviously he spoke slowly but still!

[@juliaaguilera8909]

Me ha hecho mucha gracia que en catalán cerilla sea misto, porque en Granada (sur de España) se utiliza esa misma palabra. Yo pensaba que era un localismo, pero ahora me ha dado que pensar 😄

[@aleidalg]

María Aguilera que curiós! Aparentment ve d’una antiga marca que els comercialitzava i l’origen del nom comercial era “mixto” en castellà, en referència a la barreja dels productes químics que s’utilitzen per fer-los

[@juliaaguilera8909]

@@aleidalg Muy interesante. Gracias por el dato 🙂

[@danielpahisafontanals3971]

@@aleidalg efectivament, laparaula correcta seria: llumins

[@aleidalg]

@@danielpahisafontanals3971 el diec també accepta misto, per tant totes dues paraules són correctes.

[@afonsotavares6098]

Nunca estudei italiano, porém, nos vídeos anteriores compreendi mais o italiano do que o trentino. Espanhol também nunca estudei, porém, compreendo perfeitamente pela proximidade com o português. A surpresa para mim foi entender o catalão quase tudo, devido a proximidade com o espanhol. Abraços do Brasil.

[@joanponsipuig835]

En català del “furminant” en diem misto, sí, encara que també se’n pot dir llumí!

[@adysluminsky9182]

I am brazilian ...but I speak spanish and french...so for me is easy to understand catalan...it looks like catalan has shorter words...like we cut them in the middle...but it is a beautiful language

[@prueba1999]

Jo no ho havia sentit mai això de'n misto. Al meu entorn sempre n'hem dit llumí!

[@victorjesusgaviria4518]

@@prueba1999 Llumí és un mot que modernament s'ha pres de l'alguerés per a evitar els castellanismes "misto", "cerilla", etc. És un mot que no fa gairebé molt no existia, i a més és un italianisme. L'única paraula realment genuïna que hi té la nostra llengua és el mallorquinisme "lluquet", de l'àrab *alwaqid "metxa"

[@mariadelmarjunyent1362]

Sincerament, jo faig servir mes la paraula "llumi" que misto, ja que creia que era un castallanisme , pero esta inclos al diccionari aixi que suposo que es correcta?

[@HasamiAge]

Misto prove d'una marca que es venien llumins.

[@jasonwood3405]

Wow, Trentino is so different from standard Italian, not just in pronunciation but orthography too. This video reminds me that Romance languages & dialects vary greatly from place to place.

[@petergorelov418]

Wow, Pati is so charming ;-)

[@francescoom]

Wow amazing video and amazing format😍. I've spoken Trentino dialect since I was a child and I loved to see my dialect spoken on you tube😍. Just a word sounded a little strange to me. In fact I've never heard the word "furminant", and I use to name matches "sofranei" (sofranel if singular), maybe we come from different parts of Trentino 😁

[@fernandoarosteguinovales5870]

fuRminant (Tridentino)...fuLminante (Castellano): que inicia el fuego

[@spiku7spikiriki]

És sorprenent com de fàcil se'm fa entendre el dialecte 'Trentim'. I mean I have some basic knowledge of italian but I understand everything. Really close to catalan!

[@eduardorivas4608]

¿Qué posibilidad hay de realizar un video acerca del corso, provenzal y mirandés?

[@japeri171]

The Trentino dialect reminds me of a mixture of Italian and French.The other Latin languages ​​that seem to me the result of mixing are:Galician (Portuguese and Castilian),Catalan(Spanish and French),Romanian(Italian and Slavic languages).

[@bilbohob7179]

O que ten o galego de castelan é menos co portugués. A pronuncia clara ven lhe do latín non do castelán. Que o portugués afastarase do latín e outra cousa ben diferente. E que lhe dera por usar a R francesa tamén

[@Shinoby172]

Yes I think all the north italy dialects, for example i'm from Milan and "apple" is "pomme", like french and also "potato" is "pomme de terre" :)

[@_o..o_1871]

André Gonçalves All the Eastern Romance languages sound like a mixture of different languages for those who do not speak them. That’s because in Central and Southeastern Europe there are many different families of languages.

[@carlosjr1406]

Virei fã do canal! A maioria das palavras me soam bem famíliar.

[@francek3892]

When will you make more Slavic things?

[@Ecolinguist]

I have some projects with Slavic languages coming up but it may take a few weeks before they're ready to publish. Stay tuned! :)

[@Robertoslaw.Iksinski]

@@Ecolinguist I am so glad, because in Slovak (the most central and universal Slavic language): Románske jazyky tiež majú svoje kúzlo, ale veľa Slovanov už túži po viac zrozumiteľnejších slovanských jazykoch ;)

[@francek3892]

@@Ecolinguist can't wait :D Greetings from Croatia :) Pozdrav iz Hrvatske :)

[@KasiaB]

@@francek3892 Pozdrav Hrvatskoj iz Poljske! :)

[@francek3892]

@@KasiaB Slavenska Braća zauvijek 🇭🇷❤️🇵🇱

[@steve3nto]

Nice video! Just one thing, I'm also from Trentino and usually when speaking dialect there "mistér" means "job" or "work". I don't get how Andrea is using "mistér" as a synonim for "roba", which in Trentino means "thing" or "object".

[@GvpVavaRomania]

In Romanian: 4. Scaun ( latin origin from "scamnum" ) 5. Ceașcă ( russian origin from "чащка" / ceaška) 6. Chibrit (turkish origin from "kibrit")

[@emilioromano7223]

Yea, it's me, the guy pushing for Sardinian and Corsican to be used in these kind of videos lmao. Love this channel

[@santakosoundsystem7542]

El "misto" també el podem anomenar "llumí".

[@paticubellsricart5961]

Yep :)

[@gabrielefigliola9619]

In sardo si dice "luminu".

[@ijansk]

Interesting to hear consonant Ñ at the end of a word. Legn. "Empizar en foc". That sentence confused me. I understood it as meaning "pisar en fuego" (to step on fire). It is the word "en" he used that made me misunderstand. Will there be more Trentino videos?

[@anttonferre7127]

In catalan we also have the Ñ at the end of some words. Like the word "any", meaning year, pronounced like añ

[@Konradp68]

Empizar is close to Spanish Empezar, which means to start.

[@jasmadams]

"Where the Bishop used to sit." Uhh, they still do, my man.

[@fatherlouiswilliamssugaada5023]

When will we have the north germanic language session? (Dutch, German, Swedish, Norwegian or maybe the dialects?)

[@Lucas_Wott]

es difícil entender ese dialecto, pero no tanto como el francés xD

[@Mercurio1111]

Hasta el rumano se entiende más :v

[@jlhabitan50]

1. In Filipino (or rather Tagalog), and in some Philippine languages, we call it "silya". Alternatively in Tagalog, we also call them "upuan", which literally means "a place to sit". We have a specific pair of words that were created by our Filipino language commission as alternates to "upuan" and "silya", which are "salungso" and "salungki". No one have warmed up to those two words at the moment because of the malicious yet playful connotations that tend to associate their respective etymologies with, usually stemming from Tagalog terms for certain body parts associated with sitting down. 2. We spell it as "tasa". We usually don't differentiate it with "baso" (vaso en español) in casual conversations so we often use the latter more unless we're referring to "measuring cups" when cooking, at least from my experience. 3. We call this "posporo". But sometimes, we forget what it's called so we tend to call it in Tagalog as "pangsindi ng apoy", literally means "fire lighter" or "lighter".

[@joaov_ds]

2:52 IGUALZINHO PT-BR "pode ser" hahaha

[@nexmontex]

This is so fun guys!! Thank you so much!!

[@livornoff]

I’m italian and i understand a lot of trentin and spanish, also portoghese and Catalan but not more than spanish and trentin

[@nehttjohn447]

Ma quello sembra dialetto Veneziano

[@nehttjohn447]

Ah sì è Veneziano c'è scritto sulla descrizione

[@ImaginatorJoren]

This was really interesting. My great grandparents came from southern Italy so hearing a northern dialect is a new experience. Even my minimal understanding of Italian helped me get some of the words.

[@GustavoHenrique-fd7if]

i say you do a video with five latin languages Franch, Italian, Portuguese, Spanish and Romanian Please !!

[@ladiesdays]

The videos are so great but the sound effects are a bit distracting. Maybe they can be a little quieter? Thank you!

[@lissam956]

En español decimos fósforo, en mi país no acostumbramos el cerillo.

[@federicaress3216]

It's amazing how many similarities and differences even between the same dialect!! Furminant? Where does exactly Andrea come from? Rovereto or something like that? In Valle di cembra we say "sofranel" for the match.

[@mzplay308]

Хто чекає слов'янськi мови, ставь вподобайку!

[@pustogolovaya4809]

Здрасте

[@xXxLLIaMaHxXx]

Получай-ка вподобайку :D

[@mzplay308]

@@xXxLLIaMaHxXx вподобайка - лайк на украинском языке

[@xXxLLIaMaHxXx]

@@mzplay308 Да-да, я в курсе)

[@joana_alegria]

Порівняння мов.

[@diogorodrigues747]

04:53 In my region of Portugal it would be "chávena" or "taça". However, I know that in Northern Portugal and in some places of Galicia, "xícara" is also used too...

[@MapsCharts]

I'm French and I managed to understand almost everything