Did Autism Spectrum Disorder Contribute to High Seas Murder Mystery? | Nathan Carman Case Analysis

[@jimcronin2043]

It boggles the mind that the mother agreed to go on an overnight fishing trip on the son's boat, knowing that he had recently murdered the grandfather. If one considers the possibility that the mother was complicit by urging Nathan to commit the grandfather murder the fishing trip makes more sense because the mother would then not dare to cross Nathan due to fear of him exposing her role.

[@GrayBlood1331]

Probably in denial that her son could do such a thing.

[@gregevans6044]

Good point

[@dianayount2122]

or did he force her?

[@Jay_Bird]

@@dianayount2122 No, Dr. Grande said the mother told several people she was going on this trip, and would return the next day.

[@amireal5458]

How tf do you know that she "knew"?

[@kimcat7320]

There was much more going on in this young man than Asperger's.

[@MaroonRose3216]

Yes. People are quite complex.

[@kimcat7320]

I agree@@MaroonRose3216

[@dante6985]

Sad thing is, he would have had such an easy life. All he had to do is not kill anyone and he'd be on easy street, never have to work a day in his life.

[@wrfgradiofreegoodlandthefi5914]

I'm 69 years young, and my daughter is 30. Both of us equally enjoy and appreciate your expertise and analyses. I can honestly say you have provided us with another way to bridge the generation gap (in our case, 39 years apart in age, so I should say generationS gap). You truly have stimulated communication between us as we TALK to one another concerning each episode we watch. As a result we are talking and interacting on another level. You inspire civility, critical thinking, and self reflection. And more. Anywho, it's awesome. Thank you Dr. Grande. XxxOoo

[@KimberlyLetsGo]

I agree that this channel is intellectually stimulating. And, the good doctor's delivery is keen and, sometimes, cheeky.

[@J3nJ3nl0llip0p]

This is inspiring! Thank you for sharing this with us. It's good to see families being nice to each other. It's far too rare on KZbin

[@NeurodiverJENNt]

So interesting to hear you say this.. I was having a similar conversation with my husband just hours ago. Listening to Dr Grande's factual takes does provoke critical thinking... It also shines a light on a spectrum of personality types and psycopathologies that sheds so much understanding, and in some cases compassion, on the humans that exist all around us.

[@miraclenichols4332]

Awwww what a sweet thing to say!!! I love Dr G too but really have no one to talk to about the episodes- super great connection!!!!

[@MEL2theJ]

Love this comment!

[@trblessed1020]

As a mom who has two kids that are on the spectrum I appreciate you saying the part about the autism did not leave him to be psychopathic it was just his personality and was instead his greed and psychotic tendencies to make him do what he did

[@leannemo7382]

But there’s no denying the many studies & stats that show autistic persons as “low in empathy”. It can be a contributing factor in some cases of narcissism/sociopathy. As parents, we shouldn’t sugar coat or celebrate any potential lack of empathy as our children are raised into adults, who hopefully will not be dependent on others…especially after parents have passed away.

[@jadesx96]

​@@leannemo7382Autism is also extremely understudied in multiply marginalised groups, leaning purely on studies for the Autistic community when many of us have a diverse array of experiences and traits is flawed when Autism is still so underresearched, people in this comment section keep forgetting its a bloody spectrum disorder with spikey profiles

[@trblessed1020]

@@leannemo7382 no I totally get that. But from my experience it's not that they don't feel empathy but they don't show it like we do. Because there have been several times when they may have did something that may have been rude or mean and they would come back to me days later to try to get an understanding about it so that lets me know that they are thinking about it and that it did affect them

[@trblessed1020]

@@leannemo7382 I'm definitely a realist when it comes to my kids especially watching them growing up and seeing what they strengthen weakness are but I'm not really ready to die on the hill that all autistic kids are low in empathy because I don't think I have experienced that from my children personally

[@olilumgbalu5653]

Psychotic and psychopathic are two different things. Psychosis implies that one cannot tell the difference between what is real and what is not real and also cannot tell the difference between what is right and what is wrong. Psychopathy means you are callous and lack empathy for other people. Some (most?) autistic people seem to have a lack of empathy at or near the level of psychopaths.

[@Meela234]

Amazing how much a parent is willing to ignore a bunch of red flags when it comes to their children. We can easily point out what's wrong with other people's children but will turn a blind eye to our own. Sad what happened to his grandfather and mother. Smh

[@Hey_look_at_that]

I think in this case his mother tried sending him to various places to get help which is more than other parents in cases covered in this channel... But still in the end the unthinkable happened 😢

[@whalesong999]

A parent can be outwardly showing care and concern for their child but if they're nursing their own inadequacy behind a barrier that prevents a warm bond, the child feels it and it can become a disturbing issue eventually for them. Children when I was raised were considered "adaptable" and childhood issues weren't dealt with in healing ways. "Adaptable" easily means a functioning mess of a person later in life.

[@DebNKY]

​@whalesong999 that's true, they used to think that kids would never remember certain things happening during childhood. Seems crazy now.

[@onlyeyeno]

Yea in some cases it at least seems like many people were either overly forgiving, and or totally blind to what was happening. BUT never forget that we are only getting to know about these cases in "condensed" and "reconstructed" reports/retellings, When these things actually play out it's often times over a longer period of time. Where the things "reported about the incident" in actuality are "spread over time" and quite possibly interspersed with many other possibly important and or "demanding" events. Meaning that what to us seems like (and often is "reported" as) a "clear cut and inevitable chain of events", in reality was actually more of a collection of sporadic and possibly even highly random events, that in some way possibly but not necessarily contributed to the "end result". Never forget that everything seems evident and simple with "20 20 hindsight". At least that's how I view "these things". Best regards.

[@aarondavis8943]

What was she meant to do? Sounds to me like she'd tried every option available to her. She made every effort to raise a good son but he was born bad. She remained committed to trying to put him on a better path right up until the end. If she had cut Nathan loose and broken all contact, you'd probably be condemning her for "neglecting her child".

[@manewland1]

I am myself autistic; whenever you cover someone with ASD, I'm always especially interested (and often compare my life and the way things worked out for me--I'm a university professor now--with the lives of people featured in cases like this one). I see some similarities (difficulty socializing, understanding how other people perceive me/things in general, etc.) but remain grateful that things worked out for me the way they did. Regardless, thanks, as always, Dr. Grande.

[@nattie911]

I'm in the process of getting an ASD diagnosis and stories like these make me scare to ever tell anyone. I'm worried they'll think I'm even more strange 😢

[@cronobactersakazakii5133]

⁠@@nattie911 I had one asd at work, Although our first meeting was quite strange and unusual, I got used to it and she was a nice person taking her job very seriously. So, standard communication and interaction is not the only way and I’m happy I had the opportunity to learn that. I met a bunch of very socially proficient persons who turned out to be manipulative and toxic as hell. We’re all "disordered" in some way.

[@manewland1]

​@@nattie911 As Dr. Grande pointed out, autistic people are no more violent than anyone else. I think the real problem may be misunderstanding and not taking the time to understand the difference (dismissing someone as "weird" after an initial impression might be the real problem).

[@Sad_Bumper_Sticker]

@@nattie911join community forums, many get a formal diagnosis but few of us are lucky to feel it is beneficial to disclose their diagnosis at work. Discoling your diagnosis is a double-edged sword since so many people lack knowledge on autism and believe in myths and stereotypes regarding autism.

[@Kotretovr]

Your not autistic

[@DigitalNeb]

I mean, when the locals take to calling a kid "Murder Boy," I think maybe some more intensive mental health care is in order. Seems to me like the system really failed this family. They did all sorts of stuff to help this mentally disturbed family member, but no one offered any realistic solutions for them. So he gets worse, of course, and it ends it total ruin for the family. What a disaster.

[@zenawarrior7442]

We need to stop blaming mental health. It won't change some folks & they can't be forced into it until in jail etc. It's just unfortunate that so many mentally ill people can get weapons. Sure they can kill w a knife etc but that takes another level of homicide most aren't willing to do.

[@evelynwaugh4053]

How many psychologists does it take to change a light bulb? Only one, but the light bulb has got to really want to change. And to do the work of changing.

[@judymurray191]

@@evelynwaugh4053 hahaha

[@R2Bl3nd]

​@@zenawarrior7442You can't bash mental health care in the United States when the average quality and availability of it is very poor compared to in ideal situations. If you've ever worked retail for just a few days you know that the US is in a mental health crisis. There's many people out there who are completely not self-aware, impulsive, irritable, violent, confuse their emotions with logic, etc. All of which are things that can be addressed by improving their life situation and outlook. But not everyone has the same ability or experience to be able to do that. So that's what mental health care professionals are out there to precisely help people with. It's not a one-size-fits-all solution, they just help you out with your specific situation whatever it is, even if there's nothing wrong with you per se.

[@forgottensage-o5o]

"Murder Boy" probably was born that way and was going to always be that way, regardless. He should have been kept far away from weapons.

[@DebNKY]

He gave trick or treaters fish parts? And a parent called the police? I'm dying here.

[@isabellavillanueva4639]

Lol

[@aero4379]

Fish terrorism

[@Swaggler1]

Thank you for differentiating between his Autism and his Psychoses. Your explanation was clear and helpful. His having Austism did not cause the murders.

[@statementleaver8095]

Was Autism that caused this. Autistic people don't understand the outcome of their actions. The worst of the Murder kind ...... Kick off when told otherwise! Autism isn't Stupidity. It's a excuse for people with interest in Violence to hide the Wrongdoing.

[@AntimatterBeam8954]

Autism could contribute in some murder cases depending on how the autism combines with life experience, but "cause" would be a bit far.

[@cagneybillingsley2165]

lack of empathy is associated with autism, so it absolutely is a contributing factor

[@KingsguardRP]

Did you miss the narcissism and psychopathy? Lack of empathy is a symptom of both. Autism didn't play any part in his decision to kill but it played a part in his sloppy attempts at cover ups.

[@auntielaura5]

But would he have still lacked empathy without having autism? Plenty of people with his personality traits (yet without autism) have committed similar crimes. What interested me was how the autism symptoms limited his ability to comprehend the circumstantial evidence he was leaving behind.

[@deuteronimus750]

A guy nicknamed "Timebomb" used to buy us liquor when my friends and I were minors.

[@WhoCanYouTrust_No1]

Lol

[@Jasonmakesvideo]

"The chicken pox failed to return as planned" What a great sentence 😂😂😂😂

[@CharlieApples]

As someone who was also diagnosed with Asperger’s as a child and faced similar problems forming sincere and lasting relationships with people, I have a strong opinion on the whole “why are there so many autistic mass shooters” question (or in this case, an emotionally detached family killer). Autism itself does not make someone violent, nor antisocial in the malignant behavioral sense. Autistic people are born with autism, but they aren’t born with personality disorders. I _do_ very much believe that autism heightens the risk of an individual _developing_ narcissistic and/or antisocial personality disorder, amongst other developed disorders, because we are unfortunately born with faulty ‘social understanding’ and ‘interpersonal connection’ parts of our brains-which are the parts of the brain that prevent a person born into a safe and loving family from developing conditions such as reactive attachment disorder, and allow neurotypical people to form solid and lasting relationships which influence their development in positive ways. Narcissistic and Antisocial Personality Disorder are both caused (primarily, but not entirely) by neglect, abuse, and/or prolonged isolation and ostracization as a very young child. Autism almost guarantees interpersonal disconnect resulting in isolation. And frankly, most people find our “alternate” mindsets and behaviors either unsettling or just plain annoying. Most people don’t want to be friends with someone who they consider weird, obnoxious, naive, and unpredictable. And autistic people lack the natural instinct to sync our behavioral patterns with the people around us. We’re destined to be lonely people. Being autistic is very hard, and emotionally overwhelming. We try our best, but most of us aren’t lucky enough to have people in our lives during our formative years who know how to deal with us, let alone teach us how to exist in a neurotypical world that really has no room nor patience for people who don’t fit in. Education on autism is critically important for any and all parents of autistic children.

[@kelsielovesbbu]

Narcissistic and Antisocial Personality Disorder are both caused (primarily, but not entirely) by neglect, abuse, and/or prolonged isolation and ostracization -This is factually untrue. A lot of what you said is very valid. But this kid was a narcissist due to the money, greed, endless love and forgiveness he received - like many narcissists. We're destined to be lonely people -I understand how it's easy to be in this mindset. I often am too. But try to tell yourself that is not all that's possible. There are plenty of people on the spectrum with meaningful relationships. You can be one of them

[@anniestumpy9918]

very good comment!

[@alternativetentacles1760]

I’m autistic and married with kids. We are not destined to be lonely. I consider being raised by a sociopathic parent as one of the best educations in human relationships. If he could make it work with multiple wives with all the lying then it couldn’t be that hard to find partners. And I was right.

[@Meenadevidasi]

Afraid for Nathan to live in the house with her and instead have him live in an rv in the driveway, but not afraid to go on a nighttime fishing trip alone with him? Okay..

[@evelynwaugh4053]

Dr. Grande didn't say that she was afraid of him, although perhaps she should have been, just that he wanted to leave home, and that living independently in the RV was their compromise, so he agreed to live in the rv in the driveway rather than leaving home.

[@KatJ3st]

​@@evelynwaugh4053Correct

[@Meenadevidasi]

Oh Yes that's right. Later she became afraid of him.@@evelynwaugh4053

[@rosa104]

Right?? And after he obviously killed her father...🤦‍♀

[@Jay_Bird]

Dr. Todd, always a great analysis! But sir, how could you not address WHY the mother - who knew her son was dangerous, mentally ill, and likely killed her father - would get onboard the sabotaged SS Chickenpox alone with him in the first place?! What kind of thinking/analysis was going on in her mind??

[@markmike7933]

MOTHERS to the end think their boy can change. Except mine, and I did change lol. For the better :) He may have buttered her up right before, promising lots of changes etc Or she just COULDNT ACCEPT That he would kill her. Bad mistake

[@leannemo7382]

@@markmike7933 Or she was in on her father’s murder, and her son used blackmailed to force her to board the boat? Just a thought.

[@xenotbbbeats7209]

I finally quit a substituting job after being seriously assaulted last year and this year. It is definitely not the norm for someone on the spectrum to be violent. The problem is that if they are high on the spectrum and are non-verbal, it is an explosion waiting to happen with little to no warning. I felt so sad for the other kids who have PTSD and are in a state of panic in the classroom because our system doesn't care enough to find solutions.

[@RepentImmediately]

I've heard of many adolescents with autism being violent.

[@azulgaia7782]

Chr*st that's terrible!

[@twocents7495]

Sorry the system doesn’t support the staff and protect the innocent

[@xenotbbbeats7209]

@@azulgaia7782 I didn't tell you what happened. We were at PE and were all walking around the gym perimeter. I join them for motivation. The kid in question was pulling a door handle leading to an adjoining weight room, using both hands. I called his name and told him it was locked so we couldn't go in. I thought he didn't hear me over the din because he never stopped, so I repeated it. As a couple of kids and I passed him, he calmly walked up with his usual dead pan face and kicked me, in that kickboxing side kick style, hard in the thigh. This is no skinny little kid. He is in high school and has to be at least 200 lbs. I was in such shock, I didn't even get 2 words out when he punched me in the forehead with the heel of his hand as hard as he could and swept down. With no time to react, he shoved me, linebacker style, with such force, I was airborne before hitting the gym floor. Keep in mind that subs are not allowed to touch the kids. Even if we could, the only way to "defend" yourself would be to go on the offensive and take his knee out or choke hold him, and that is definitely not an option. The only reason I walked away with a bruised coccyx and a 3-day headache was because I'm a heavy weightlifter. If he had hit the tiny girl next to me, who is all of maybe 70 lbs. and eats through a feeding tube, she might have had to go to the hospital. AFTER that incident, I found out he had attacked the teacher several times and at least 1 of the students. That was enough. It signaled to me that they put the safety of the kids and staff too far down the priority list. My heart breaks for all of the students and staff. I'm going to miss them all so much. I have been there since October 2020.

[@Ken-fh4jc]

How do you die in a jail sell and it isn’t suspicious? Did he kill himself? Did he have a heart attack? Like wtf?

[@shadowfigure3749]

Well, obviously they mean they know the cause of death and considering what Dr. Grande said at the end there, I'm guessing it was his choice.

[@spaceace8393]

What a tragic end for Murder Boy, his mother, and his grandfather.

[@auntielaura5]

It is fascinating to hear about this case from your perspective. The intertwining of autism spectrum disorder and his personality traits made for very interesting crimes.

[@CT2507]

Pretty good assessment of Nathan. Interesting to hear details from his background. I also felt from the beginning that Nathan had underestimated how socially handicapped he truly was, and bit off more than he could chew. Which eventually overwhelmed him.

[@dlc5166]

Recognizing red flags doesn't cure them or make them disappear. I think mother and GF were in a very difficult position. The final fate of this entire family was a very sad one.

[@olilumgbalu5653]

The fate of the family was sealed due to whatever genetic alterations led to Nathan's autism. Same with other families with autistic family members or other man-made (man-created) genetic abnormalities.

[@Oscario2004]

@@olilumgbalu5653Autism doesn't make people dangerous

[@MissVanHelsing]

Hi from 3am here in Australia, Dr. Grande family! ❤ How is everybody going? I'm enjoying my Friday night/ Saturday morning watching true crime because I can't sleep.

[@jeremyhall7495]

Me too - it's now just past 4am - great time of "night" for chilling out with my cat, watching Dr. Grande.

[@u.sonomabeach6528]

Another exculpatory factor, to go with the ‘mom could have killed granddad’ theory is, Nathan told the police that he lost his gun when asked to present it which leaves the very small possible that his mother could have taken his gun and used it to kill the grandfather. Highly unlikely, of course

[@jv-ep2tc]

This story has made me realize that the line between tragedy and comedy is razor thin.

[@kingmiller1982]

That mother must of been crazy, why after your dad was killed, and knowing the police suspected your son of the murder, would you go with your son on a boat in the middle of the ocean? Crazy

[@NeurodiverJENNt]

I've been diagnosed with autism, what probably would have been classified as aspergers... And I am impressed at how eloquently you stated the condition in the beginning

[@NeurodiverJENNt]

TO BE CLEAR, Autism/Asperger's does NOT cause one to be violent. As a matter of fact, honesty and loyalty are typically some of the notable traits of autism... So I am surprised they did not diagnose him with something else because it seems like there was something else going on

[@kellykane7586]

​@@NeurodiverJENNtunfortunately, Diagnosing is not an exact science and when you consider lack of time with the patient these Dr.s have to contend with, it's no surprise that ppl are misdiagnosed so often

[@NeurodiverJENNt]

@@kellykane7586 I couldn't agree more. As a matter of fact, this was part of the reason Asperger's was eliminated from the most recent version of the DSM-5 and included under the autism umbrella... There was a lot of subjectivity in the diagnostic outcomes. But an honesty, thats applicable to almost everything in the mental health profession. There are no objective tests or measurements to come to consistent outcomes. A lot of the conclusions rely on the subjective opinions of the diagnostician

[@Sarcasmarkus]

​@@NeurodiverJENNtyou can add to that the fact that disorders don't present the same from person to person, the likelihood of comorbidities, and how they also can present differently, nuanced personality factors, people are complex and fascinating.

[@NeurodiverJENNt]

@@Sarcasmarkus thank you for pointing that out. That's such an important factor... It's called the spectrum for a reason. I actually go over a lot of that on my channel 🥰 I have the comorbidity of adhd as well, but didn't want to muddy the waters of my comment by throwing that in the. But yeah, if you thought the autism spectrum was spectrumy, try throwing in comorbidities, gender, personalities, etc

[@gailkelly6154]

Hello Dr.Grande. you are looking nice today. 😊 This guy was a monster. He took the easy way out. Thank you Dr. Grande. Always love listening to you.. ❤

[@Starcrunch913]

I think it’s possible the mother was already dead and it was a ploy to hide it.

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

Excellent analysis. Thank you, Dr. Grande.❤

[@celenacasciani8500]

Informative as usual. Also, as usual, your knowledge and explanation of firearms is always impressive. Thanks Dr Grande

[@donwoodward7944]

Crazy story. Thanks for your careful treatment when describing ASD.

[@lesamontgomery1546]

One of, if not the most interesting videos, Dr Grande. Your intellect and ability to share your insight with the cases you present is fascinating. Today’s question is: How is Dr Grande so smart?😂

[@ellemred]

The biggest point for me when i hear about these cases is that people with mental health are no more likely than someone without a mental health issue to commit crime. If someone does commit a crime, it's usually an intersection of multiple factors, not one single influence ❤

[@newfful]

💯 this.

[@RepentImmediately]

The majority of those who commit serious crimes have a personality disorders--one study showed that more than 80% of men and women in prison have a personality disorder.

[@AntimatterBeam8954]

It sounds like he really wanted to be left alone. On an insane level.

[@AntimatterBeam8954]

@traybern oh yeah, I forgot humans are motivated by money and I'm not, lol honestly not being sarcastic I actually forget this a lot because I'm not motivated much by money. Complex reasons.

[@elizabethwarman9028]

Hi Dr Grande, excellent analysis. As always I learn something new from your videos. Question:Since Nathan name his vessel Chicken Poxes, did he name the skiff Shingles?

[@marycrawford9428]

It was small. Logically he should have named it small pox.

[@rheverend]

Pls cover the murder of 8 yr old Chad Choice from Tyler, TX. His murderer sent pieces of him to his family in the years following the murder. Would love to hear your take

[@KimberlyLetsGo]

Gads! That's horrible. The good Doctor's thoughts on this one would be enlightening.

[@figplucker3052]

OMG I've been waiting for you to cover this! Thank you

[@nancilane5069]

Excellent analysis (as usual), Dr. Grande! Thank you very much....

[@paintjade]

Dr. Grande PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO AN ANALYSIS ON SEAN WILLIAMS and how the manhunt has very little coverage, his crimes, his escape, and the security failure that let him kick out the window and escape!!!! PLEASE!!! Thank you for you’re considerate

[@vala1277]

I have no idea how Dr. Grande keeps a straight face every time he says "Chicken Pox."

[@atticstattic]

Same way he does everytime he says "tick tock"

[@eadweard.]

What's funny about chicken pox?

[@anjinsan5582]

​@@eadweard.It's funnier than "monkey pox", that's for sure 😅

[@moonshineblues204]

I'm probably the queen of Mental Health. I have been in and out of hospitals and seeking treatment for over 20 years. People need to quit mixing up mental illness with violence and terroristic acts. Some people are horrible and it has absolutely nothing to do with what else is going on in the rain. Two types of people good people and bad people. Most people hang fairly well into one side of the other.

[@Monalisa0622]

Thank you for your transparency. I see people constantly excusing violence and evil for mental illness. I pray you find peace and healt over the mental issues in Jesus name

[@moonshineblues204]

@@Monalisa0622 thank you! I have gotten to a point and routine in my life where I can live comfortably. I also only surround myself with the best of people . But yes this is been making me mad for a long time

[@R2Bl3nd]

It's annoying when people use autism as an excuse to be rude or not listen to people. If somebody is rude and being a shithead and is autistic, it has nothing to do with the autism.

[@whalesong999]

That's some open witnessing. I've been down that road a few times and now retired. In this case of Nathan, I immediately began to look at formative causes, knowing what has occurred in my situation, and could sense a similarity. I wonder if Nathan's mother was a manipulator and used passive/aggressive tactics for behavior control of him, drawing on my own experiences to compare and question. If there was no moral base for him to cling to for some kind of stability, he was surely going to act out violently and ruin what he had of a life due to painful confusion in his mind and soul.

[@johndonaldson3619]

There are PLENTY of mentally - violent people PLENTY

[@bromeatmeco8611]

Autism is becoming even more of a buzzword nowadays and many people insist on using it a lot with very little understanding of what it is. When people see something unusual and autism in the same picture, many are unfortunately very quick to establish a relation and not consider anything else. "Autism did this", "that is because of autism", etc. Thank you for not throwing us under the bus.

[@steveeuphrates-river7342]

I feel bad for parents who have these monster children. People will blame the parents for "forming" them but nature is sometimes so powerful that even the best parenting isn't going to change things. But yeah, going fishing with your kid who is suspected of murdering his grandfather... Darwin award confirmed.

[@ellemred]

People are influenced by a range of factors. While the parents should not be blamed, they are a factor that influenced his development. But there's so many factors , peers, schooling, biology, society, culture, etc, that also help shape people.

[@nanettevantriesteharder2469]

@@ellemred Yes. According to Blum's Force Field and Well-Being Paradigms of Health, social, somatic (i.e., body), and psychological (i.e., mind) aspects of health and well-being are impacted in descending order by a) the environment (i.e., fetal; physical, which are natural and man-made; and socio-cultural, which are economics, education, employment, etc.), b) lifestyle (i.e., attitudes and behaviors)a, c) medical care (i.e., prevention, cure, care, and rehabilitation), and d) heredity within the constraints of the population, cultural systems, human satisfactions, ecological balance, and natural resources. In addition to broken links in internal and external communications and behavior associated with ASD, there was the Dark Tetrad of psychopathy, narcissism, sadism, and Machiavellianism, which pit the interests of his wealthy grandfather against the pecuniary interests of his mother and himself. These personality traits are often confused as characteristics of corporate leadership, which may have been the reason his grandfather was close to him, but in reality such traits fit the stereotypical "murder boy" moniker given him by his terrified neighbors. His dark personality traits should have been investigated at baseline to assess whether or not he was a potential "threat to himself and others" for the purpose of tracking bench-marked improvements or deterioration of key performance indicators, not simply dismissed by his mother as a put down to a mentally ill but otherwise harmless young man.

[@zenawarrior7442]

I saw this story on YT but didn't read it. Terrible he could get that gun & got away w/murder of grandfather. Great analysis again. Thanks Dr G😊💝💝

[@carolynsilvers9999]

Amazing that no evidence could be gathered to convict him for grandpa's murder

[@birdlover6842]

I agree with npd with psychopathy diagnosis, so I agree with your diagnosis. Dangerous evil man. I feel awful for his poor grandfather and mother as well. Sad.

[@bubbabroad9051]

I don’t understand why one would tell him what he was going to inherit, especially when it was that crazy amount. I didn’t know till after my father’s death and I am in my 50s. Wow, what a sad case. Thank you, Dr Grande

[@jeanholmes7976]

Dear Dr. Grande. I cannot understand the Mother going fishing alone with her son. What a sad life for Nathan, the Mother and Grandfather. May they all rest in peace. Thank you Dr. Grande and enjoy your weekend,….😇❤from Jean.

[@ashleyparks1738]

Authorities are 100% responsible for his mother's murder- but why would she still be around him after he obviously murdered his grandfather and got that money? Why would she think she was safe enough to not have him kill her for her money?

[@MEL2theJ]

Thank you again Dr. Grande 🙏 This guy was a super creep. Yikes!

[@destronia123]

This just shows it doesn't pay to be too kind to your relatives... ;)

[@midgeymidge9403]

I have been formally diagnosed with Asperger syndrome. I really appreciated Dr Grande's explanation of how Nathan went wrong in not appreciating the cumulative and emotional factors that would make other people suspicious of his activities. Set out like that, it makes sense. I now feel better equipped, as an Aspie, to commit a murder - or maybe a series of murders - and not get caught. Thank you, Dr Grande, friend of the neurodiverse. 😊

[@leannemo7382]

😳

[@midgeymidge9403]

@@leannemo7382 😘

[@sophiaisabelle027]

We appreciate your insights, Dr Grande. Keep working hard.

[@sonyajohnson8859]

I have Asperger's and watch a fair amount of online vlogs about it. I watch Dr. Grande to learn about Cluster B behaviors via examples. He is consistently clear and his critical reasoning skills are well developed. This episode is the first time I have found a reasonable description of how Autism is not a personality, yet influences behavior thank you for that.

[@Flamsterette]

Thanks for the upload, Dr. Grande! Your true fans love your humor and sarcasm. November 17 is World Prematurity Day, National Unfriend Day, Use Less Stuff Day, Take A Hike Day, The Little Mermaid Day, World Peace Day, Homemade Bread Day, Electronic Greeting Card Day, National Farm Joke Day, National Baklava Day, and World Pancreatic Cancer Day.

[@melissagilbert9654]

It could contribute.. spectrum people are very hard to deal with, most people don’t have the patience needed to be around those people. Sad!!

[@piscesempress1978]

Tell me about it. but what can you do when its your child, you love them, you protect them. I have learned patience.

[@Alice-ov3rd]

Thanks…

[@newfful]

You know many people on the spectrum?

[@RepentImmediately]

​@@newffulI know some people on the spectrum and of course, it is a spectrum, but those relationships were/are definitely different and for me, one of the individuals ended up being too much to deal with. The other person is much less difficult and brings many positive elements to my life and so he is worth certain sacrifices. I've been through a lot in my own life; I've survived a lot of pain, dysfunction, and situations that required an immense amount of strength and so I'm not interested in having relationships with people who are difficult to deal with, regardless of why they are difficult.

[@rosekeyes3189]

My next door neighbor is a mother my age with a 25 year old daughter who is supposedly austic. The mother shared with me that she repeatedly told doctors that her daughter was autistic and 20 year later, one finally belived her. I think austism is over diagnosed. For one, this 25 year old had a difficult life with no friends but desperately tries to make them. There is a such thing called depression with the same symptoms.

[@jade20027]

I agree with this 100%! As an educator, it seems like so many kids are being diagnosed with being on the spectrum which in my opinion seems like a cop out for their behavior. I’m not sure why there seems to be a push for this diagnosis or just sheer laziness on the diag’s part.

[@sherriwilson2407]

I’m with you doc. And happy thanksgiving to you and your lovely wife.

[@JulieCaptivatedinFl]

I hope Dr. Grande gets that Christmas Cactus decoration they show on the Wayfair commercial! Another banging video, Dr. Grande.

[@porschecarmon5532]

What horrific and lonely way to die. Your son takes you out to sea, sinks the boat and leaves you behind, most likely without a life jacket, to sink to the bottom… what a seriously disgusting man.

[@vipconan_]

It's sad that the police thought they did not have enough evidence to convict him of killing his grandfather. the way you lay it all out it seems like the evidence was there. His mother could have been spared. It is very sad that he killed the two people that seemed to love him most in the world.

[@kweenz109]

Grandpa worked against mom and ended up dead. This family enabled this kid.

[@reaganwiles_art]

This channel has convinced me that the police are either totally incompetent or totally unconscientious. But whereas they might leave you alone over $550,000 they ain't going to leave you alone about $7 million.

[@clairewyndham1971]

I have to wonder why he wasn't been seen or under the care of a Psychiatrist from about 7 onward? Even his Mother knew he needed big time help. If that much money was due to be inherited, there must have been enough to get him help.

[@tessasaknit]

Lol. Cruise ships don't have psychiatrist

[@jtzoltan]

​@@tessasaknitLol what? Did I miss something in this story?

[@QueenOfTheNorth65]

As the mother of 3 adult children on the spectrum, I concur. This kid sounded like a ticking time bomb. Someone really dropped the ball here. All three of my children have been seeing psychiatrists since about the age of 7 or 8, and on medication. God only knows how they would function in society without the assistance of psychiatry and medicine.

[@Helicopterpilot16]

@@QueenOfTheNorth65 Ask them personally what they think of the medication.

[@jtzoltan]

@@QueenOfTheNorth65 if you don't mind the question (I have 2 very young kids), around what ages did it become apparent that your 3 children were on the spectrum?

[@Araksi_N]

The mother was not too bright , who the hell agrees to go on a trip with a murderer even if this is family

[@rheverend]

They called him Murder Boy. I’m done 🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀

[@daskritterhaus5491]

hello Doctor !! love your disclaimers!!!

[@mistrjt9213]

His selfishness and greed led to the murders. Autism got him caught.

[@rullvox5912]

These vague [explanations] that authorities give about deaths in custody are not acceptable. These prisons/jails have no transparency, and it needs to change. I do however believe Nathan was guilty of murder, it's obvious.

[@judymurray191]

I was going to ask through this, if you thought it was psychopathy, misdiagnosed as Autism, but you answered that at the end.

[@greenfacere210]

Dr. Grande, that shade of pink is your color, it’s very flattering on you

[@HolldollMcG]

As an autistic person with many other autists in my orbit, I thank you for pointing out that generally *WE ARE NOT VIOLENT.* Autism Spectrum Disorder is so nuanced and varies so widely from person to person, it is important for people with expertise to point out that these events are not typical of your average autist. Thank you for your careful analysis, as always.

[@lisagorman3462]

Hello from Australia 🥰 Dr Grande, love your videos ❤ Well Nathan was quiet a character, even if not a good one 😂 omg naming his boat the "Chicken Pox" I had to laugh he indeed had problems. Nevertheless he was a murder at the end of the day.

[@cascadianrangers728]

Not using the emergency transponder even during a planned sinking at sea makes no sense unless you are trying to hide and do not want to risk something being seen

[@dianemorton2222]

What a tragic case.

[@MeghanBrowning-cy3tm]

this comment section is frustrating. his grandfather was killed with the same kind of gun he bought just a month prior. he inherited over 500k and lived off it for the next 3 years while not working or doing anything at all. then as soon as he starts to run out of money he takes his mom out on a boat with a life raft for himself, enough supplies for himself, and a plan for his own survival. hes not just being accused because he has aspergers and is quiet and weird, he killed his grandfather and his mother for money and would have killed again if it benefited him.

[@vipconan_]

I agree with your entire comment.

[@jaysonwhiteford4531]

I am thinking about buying life insurance for my 2 kids. They will not know about it until they recieve it.

[@discospiders]

Parents don’t owe kids anything. If you raise them right, they will be successful, you don’t need to leave them anything when you die.

[@discospiders]

@@robinantonio8870 totally true.

[@RepentImmediately]

​​@@discospidersthere's a lot of stuff in life that's unnecessary and yet people still do it. Having kids isn't necessary and yet people do it all the time. Not to mention, some people die before their kids are even old enough to acquire a job. Every responsible parent with minor children has life insurance.

[@discospiders]

@@RepentImmediately nah

[@drewmoore365]

I wonder why he didn't get into businesses with his grandfather. Or at least invest in real estate after receiving the 500k. Could have set up passive income stream.

[@joedirt1965]

While he probably did the crimes there was so much money involved there could have been others involved in the crimes. Especially considering he is now conveniently dead himself.

[@eadweard.]

Meaningless rambling.

[@joedirt1965]

@@eadweard.That's a good name for a band.

[@skipperallen205]

This psychopath was showing sign early.. parents need to accept their kids are trouble and not look the other way .. when they commit murder it’s partly their fault .

[@Michelle-Rogers]

Thanks for another great video, Dr. Grande! Can you please discuss & give us your analysis on Cassie Ventura’s lawsuit against Sean P. Diddy. Combs?

[@Illcastashadow1]

Sad story but neat hearing the Doctor say my hometown in NH

[@chimom7112]

A 29yr old dies in prison and its not suspicious?

[@stacyflood4319]

He wanted out of the punishment for what he did, probably offed himself. The police just didn't give out that information.

[@jigjagb9270]

This was a really interesting one, thanks Dr G.

[@michelleA9502]

Hi Dr. Grande. I was wondering if you could do a story about the 1982 murders on a boat called the Investor in Craig, AK.

[@shellchenonceau6987]

We will never know if the toxicity in the prescriptions slowly worsened his thinking over the years. Profits over people.

[@haldenkepple4242]

My closest lifelong friend graduated from South Kingstown High School in Rhode Island and grew up there

[@Coffeedrinker291]

Such betrayal. I don’t know why this case bothers me so much more than a lot of the cases I hear on here….btw, does not sound like regular Asperger’s to me..

[@kimcat7320]

I agree. My son has Asperger's and would not hurt a fly. There was much more going on in this young man then Asperger's!

[@haldenkepple4242]

The reason why most of the jurors wanted to Acquit Michael Keetley is probably because they looked at the technical aspect to the crime which was that there was no concrete evidence but didn't understand the emotional components like how it was one coincidence after another and the circumstantial evidence is still powerful speaking of which

[@elizabethhamm5320]

Love your videos they are always spot on. Can you analyze the Daily Wire feud? Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro are furious with each other and it’s intriguing

[@sunnygirl9691]

Yes and it makes them money to “have a feud”. You bought into it hook, line, and sinker.

[@elizabethhamm5320]

If I was just casually reading headlines, I might be suspicious that this is not a genuine feud. However I watch him and he is very passionate about Israel. He is very much consumed with the topic and she has said inflammatory things. I think that the reactions are genuine. He is emotionall when it comes to Israel and she has an ego that does not take criticism well

[@StAlphonsusHasAPosse]

​@@elizabethhamm5320 Agreed

[@susanmann5286]

It is true. People, including many professionals, may assume if someone is on the Spectrum, that must be their only problem. I understand this on a personal basis. I wonder about the cause of death for such a young person(?)

[@StephenDuncan]

Can we name a red-flag law after him?

[@grizzlybizz7305]

I can't help but say he 'looks' dangerous with mental issues . . . a horrible combination. I'm inclined to say YES he did them both in.

[@AxelordSMIJES]

"Murder on the high seas" is probably one of the most objectively badass sounding crimes one could ever be charged with. Total pirate vibes ☠️

[@neenaj365]

This is one that we autistic people will undoubtedly dislike, including the descriptive language used 🤔 Autism isn’t the catch all to all despicable behaviour, and isn’t a learning disability. Autistic people do commonly have co-morbid conditions tho. Sometimes autistic people can also be unpleasant people, just like any other human. Most that I know are highly sensitive, morally superior to typicals and very pleasant to get along with.

[@Brendawallingbear]

I like the way you put that phrase together: "this revelation of Satan's identity ...."

[@jcr5543]

Yes ! This is like a puzzle! I’m sure she knew better but maybe it was all planned and she is still alive? Also was he getting help for his Asperger’s? I mean Doc said that it’s complicated so he should have a social worker or someone with him at all times making sure that he fully understood the things he was doing. Should he even have a boat? Thats a huge responsibility. May they all rest in peace

[@sondragramse1770]

Who leaves on a boat ride at 11pm... weird in itself?

[@Is43109]

fishing often better at night and early morning

[@sondragramse1770]

True I forgot. I'm more used to 5amish not 11pmish.

[@bthomson]

Breaking: shooting at New Hampshire State Hospital. Shooter is dead. No word on number of harmed.

[@puspavelai8353]

Very confusing, on the one hand, being dutiful, and the other blaming the daughter for *causing the grandson's symptoms* is a mystery. This person must have had her whole 'ego' destroyed by her Father, by 'dividing' his attention like a tool to cause more friction...How would she not know he's not mentally equipped to 'manage funds' - when son can't manage in parked RV? There's something 'fishy' that went on between the Mother, and her, outwardly 'mentally limited' son. The man should have been registered permanently into a caring facility - for his own safety as well.

[@roxannespahr2804]

This is a such a tragic case. To kill your own grandfather and mother to inherent some $$, is so beyond my comprehension. And look how pointless these deaths were, he took their life and then his was taken in jail. And the fact he can go through $550,000 in just a few short yrs meant he could've spent 15k/month for 3 yrs straight. Greedy ass guy. So many ppl kill their loved ones over $ and end up finding themselves in jail, their murders pointless, only thing they accomplish is a continuous wave of pain for everyone else to have to pick up. My husband literally told me yesterday that he wants to up life insurance on the both of us now...I watch too much true crime cuz the thought went through my head "what if he plans on killing me" 🤣 thank you for another great analysis, Dr. Grande!! I love this channel so much!!❤