Did Honda Destroy The 2017 Civic Si?

[@mistamaog]

I don't know of anyone who complained about only having a 6MT

[@francismartinez6049]

iMiguelAOG oooppps sorry. That would be me

[@mistamaog]

Brian Lawrance How could you sin

[@813GC]

iMiguelAOG the only people who complain are the ones who can’t drive. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Jumperman12mac]

Neither I do.

[@frankly2677]

3:55 did subaruwrxfan just teleport into the video?

[@pauldack5129]

Ahahahahhh! Voice crack

[@pascutia]

To everyone who is interested in this car, GO TEST DRIVE IT! It may not have VTEC but man is it fun. It’s a very well built car and it feels awesome. Also, the sound does not come through in this video. It sounds great in person. The shifter is one of the best on the market! It’s a great value. For EPS, the steering is very good. I don’t think all this bashing on the car is ok. If you read Car and Driver’s in-depth review, they were very pleased with it. For the price, it’s an amazing car. If you price a GTI to a comparable level, it’ll be much more expensive and it still isn’t as fun to drive. I appreciate Sofyan offering a balanced review, but the engine isn’t as bad as everyone says it is! I really enjoyed driving it!

[@EndoftheAge717]

Test drove this and love it. It's exactly what you said

[@ctrldmnz6242]

I know im late but i wanna go test drive one because i am interested in owning one , i have driven my friends type r alot so depending on the prices when the new one is released i might get one , but for now Si is on top of my list

[@pascutia]

@@ctrldmnz6242 I don’t know where you live, but the used market on these is absolutely garbage right now. They cost more than they did new. I’d recommend looking at used VW GTIs(much more reasonably priced), or waiting for the new Si to come out. They’re stupidly overpriced used.

[@ctrldmnz6242]

@@pascutia im in CT yeah way overpriced , im still waiting for now until the new si like you said...hopefully price goes down , im going for a new car around the end of the year hopefully

[@area859]

Dont the engines on this gens 1.5 turbos have oil dilution issues

[@joemonaco3558]

I had 4 SI, models,build em all,,, have the new one for a few months , its the best one they ever made stock, power and trq, is better, and handles better then any previous models hands down, why people complain is because they dont know the facts , this car has variable cam timming control, with a turbo thats all you needs, get over vtec, its a old design from the late 80s, lol,, for the money this is car is great all around , all i did was hondadata tune and the car make 250 hp and trq, more trq then the 2.4 k could ever dream, every year you yall say the old gen is better,, lol, pull your heads out of your asses, please, honda sets you up cheap so you can tune it the way you want, and with this one all you have to do is a clutch and tune and turn up the boosts and the car will run 13s, and still be around 26 grand, and avg 31 in normal mode,, what the hell else do you people want !!?? vtec?? please ,

[@Smooveee]

Joe Monaco you do know you're comparing a new technology motor with turbo to the 9th k24 engine lol if you put that same turbo on the 9th gen si It would probably make more power than the 1.5L those 9th gen si you speak of has the engine as a type r but with a bit more displacement it's the same ivtec engine boosted .. that's all it is

[@joemonaco3558]

The K 24 does not have a full vtec head dude. Nor is anything close to the type r moter. It only has vtec on one cam and the cylinder head is shit. 174 lbs of trq is really sorry The 2. 4 block is nice but needs the other head to make HP without a turbo. And when it comes to power to weight ratio the 2.4 is not a good choice . Thats why the R and Si use 2.0 and 1.5 . And handle much better. I like the 9th gen owned and built one.. The 10gen is better out of the box and easier to make power and handles way better .. thats all im really saying

[@Smooveee]

Joe Monaco the type r engine has the same vtec system as the 9th gen read up on it my friend same crappy head flow , that's why they boost it and I agree with the weight of the k24 but we nonetheless a great engine best two Honda engines are the 8th/9th gens simply parts can be interchangeable and get you power read on it not tryna bash anyone or any car

[@3spressoShot]

one of those things where you guys sort of ended up arguing the same or very similar points. i enjoyed it lol

[@ryanlittleton5615]

Joe Monaco The K24 actually DOES have a full VTEC head.

[@morpheusjr373]

It's a commuter car with a bit more pep, no need to have a bigger engine in, not worth the additional cost. I own this car and disagree with everyone of the complaints. Also, I find the sound good, I wouldn't want to daily anything louder. And yeah, the 9th gen has 205hp, but look and the torque curves. Canada gets nav and LED headlights stock

[@michaelliu4773]

Morpheus Jr totally agreed

[@TheErik4694]

I also agree. Nobody seems to talk about how much better it is than the 9th gen.

[@TheErik4694]

And people keep comparing it to a type r. ITS NOT A TYPE R. The type r is $10,000 more. When someone is trying to buy a cheaper car $10,000 is one hell of step up in price.

[@3spressoShot]

your absolutely right. si has always been a sportier civic not "the" sport civic... I would argue that the si my be funner to mod since its got more things to upgrade.. the type r is a well balanced machine.

[@Billybobthor]

I’m really liking mine. Same one as in this video.

[@darcygoesfast]

3 pedals for the Si. ALWAYS.

[@Acc0rd79]

Honda needs to bring out an Accord Type R, as a dad I would definitely consider one and wouldn't worry about paying 40k on a Accord with around 400hp:) I know I can dream but hey, they did bring the Civic Type R to the USA.

[@borimatt1127]

Acc0rd79 the 2.0T accord with MINIMAL mods is easy to reach upwards and over 400 horse , intake , upgraded turbo , intercooler , tune to up the psi on the turbos and downpipe with full exhaust !!! But yes to be 100% honest I would consider getting a accord type r .... I could only imagine what they would do because if their competitor is the focus st and rs then why didn’t the 10th gen si come with a 2.0t they could have de tuned the si just like the st and keep the front wheel drive and I def could’ve seen a bigger engine for the rs and maybe all wheeel drive as well on the type r but I know Honda is good on gas and their just getting into power ..... from the factory lol don’t get me wrong working on building a k24 swap Rn hatch but there’s always options out there don’t forget that!

[@craftycraff7938]

Acc0rd79 too much power for front wheels once you go over 300hp.

[@juancristales8322]

The Si in Canada comes with the same LED head lights as the type R and navigation. All standard. I don't know why the American version does not. Also we have the option of leather seats.

[@francismartinez6049]

Juan Cristales Trump said no LEDs and Leather.

[@shamelessnjc]

Juan Cristales I think it's because of the price difference. The Si in Canada is based on the Touring trim, here in the states it's based on the EX-T trim. Touring trim Civics here cost close to $30 grand. It would've made the Si close to as expensive as the Type-R here. Honda wanted to hit a price point so we don't get the nice stuff in the US.

[@juancristales8322]

Brian Lawrance LOL that's hilarious

[@juancristales8322]

Shane Shelton I see. Thanks for the response

[@MrCarGuy]

Juan Cristales Who cares? You buy it for the mechanicals anyway. You Canadians are just getting ripped off because they're probably making $5k more on you just on lights, nav, and partial leather seats. Better to just buy the LEDs and switch them in.

[@asifalimirza]

I have been a Toyota guy for the last 20 years, and the 2018 Civic Si is the first Honda I have ever owned, so this not coming from a "Honda Fan Boy". I really put in a lot of research on this car, and out of the almost hundreds of reviews on this car, this review was way, way off from all the other reviewers. Sure, there were complaints about the Infotainment system, lack of volume button, and the faux vents on the front and back, but almost no complaints about power, acceleration etc. I have owned this car one month now, and 0 to 60 in 6.4 seconds is pretty awesome for a car with such a small engine! I have done two trips between the Northern California Bay area and SoCal, and if anyone has ever driven on hwy 152 and the Grapevine on hwy 5, you know that if you can do 90 mph plus on those steep inclines with little effort...with temps around 104 degrees F, you have a car with good power. I'm not saying it's the fastest car on the road, but it easily keeps up with cars with engines twice its size and power. I mean, you made it sound like this car has to strain to go fast...that's not my experience owning this car. Maybe you should stop trying to compare it with those brainless Dodge Chargers that can barely handle a slight curve OK, so what I dislike about this car: Infotainment center Lack of buttons for radio, volume and AC/heater fan controls Android Auto disconnects randomly Metal shifter ball (gets hot, and I mean hot on a hot day) Shifter makes a notchy sound when shifting into second gear

[@alliejr]

The engine is "bad", a "disappointment"? Compared to what? How can you evaluate the engine compared to a theorhetic engine you *wished* they'd developed and included. Is the engine better than competing Focus ST? Fiesta ST? Golf or GTI? Elantra? Those would be valid comparisons and against those, the sound and performance of this new Honda motor is at or above the best of the rest. Clearly you had a "dream" for an Si and because Honda didn't build *your* dream car, you downgrade it. Just evalulate the car they built, not the car you wish for (which doesn't actually exist).

[@Fatmouse25]

For a company with slogan "The Power of Dreams" I'd say the dream was shattered. I actually got invited to the Si launch and my heart was elated until the slide with 1.5 liter powertrain hit, and it was then my hands couldn't even catch how fast my heart sank, crushed. What sound? I saw two of those drag race at my local track and they sounded like hybrids against the rest. Its like they made a great civic, a great car, but forgot about the Si and just slapped the badge on.

[@vtothet12]

the engine is bad because its small and not making as much power as its competitors. The si cannot compete with the focus st or gti anymore, it is far less powerful. the 1.5t honda motor is above the best of the rest? lmao the SI moved down a weight class and thats what everyone is disappointed about

[@joji3991]

allierogers si winning the gti and st LOL wtf are you on?regarding the sound this car makes,WHAT FUCKING SOUND?regarding the performance this car makes,WHAT FUCKING PERFORMANCE???what si are you talking about that is at or above the rest?i dont see one,i just see a gti or st replacement for fanboys/people that dont want a better car or dont trust VW/ford cars

[@joji3991]

allierogers that comment sounded agressive/hatefull when i read it back to my self,read it in a comical/sarcastic way

[@osamabindrinkin40s]

I really liked the SI. Its got lots of interior room and drives really nice! The 10th gen is faster than any other Civic SI's

[@HiMyNameIsJonathan]

I like how the car is quiet. It sounds great even without an intake

[@boblast8506]

I’m sorry I can not get behind the hate for the 10th gen+ si. For one, it doesn’t need navigation with Apple CarPlay. I have gone out of state, and multiple hours away and CarPlay works just as good as GPS. Everyone complains about VTEC. But it has vtec. It’s not on the exhaust side (which is the most prominent aspect) but it’s still there. No other generation si comes even close to the L15B7. The k20 and k24a are phenomenal engines. But with full bolt ons you’ll find it hard to make 250 WHP. This makes it with just a tune! Full bolt Ons and a tune on there make close to 300 Wheel. Out of a 1.5L. You get heated seats, premium audio, active dampeners, a LSD, dual climate control, and adaptive cruise control and Lane keeping assist on 2020+ models. I think although the engine is a low displacement, and doesn’t have the roaring VTEC aspects of the K20. It is still a phenomenal platform and works better than any other si with just a few modifications. I recommend watching MaPerformance videos on KZbin to fully grasp this car. They have a shop car making 650. If you need bigger power and VTEC there is always the K20C1 in the type R.

[@Jtdubbzz]

Yeah man, it’s a great car.

[@Fadic4]

It's not a bad car, it's the cheapest car you can get with adaptive dampers. I just hope that 1.5 holds up.

[@francismartinez6049]

Fadic 4 only time will tell....Honda still can't get their 8, 9 and 10 speed transmissions right

[@Fadic4]

Brian Lawrance they're getting rid of the zf 9 speed for the Honda 10 speed. The 10 speed just came out and it's been getting good reviews. I would never get a dct, from any company.

[@gillesthibault429]

Brian Lawrance What they need to get rid of is the troublesome ZF 9-speed! It's been nothing but trouble for FCA, why did Honda put it in their vehicles?

[@Fadic4]

Gilles Thibault they had a six speed and didn't want to introduce their 10 speed because they were still working on it. They didn't want to get behind the competitors in mpg

[@dlg5485]

Honda reliability would be the least of my concerns. The shitty performance tho....

[@jfazzuoli3813]

I understand there is a mourning period for the death of high reving, low torque Honda engines of yore but can we just end it now please and get on with life. As a life long Honda fan boy I look forward to more small displacement turbo engines with torque. Honda is going in the right direction. You get great performance and 40mpg. Nothing to complain about except a too quiet exhaust. Also, people like to justify the Civic Sport as somehow a detuned Si. It is not. The often overlooked bits the Si offers for only a little more money is a great value. Better internals (pistons, rings, sodium filled valves) larger turbo, LSD, adjustable dampers, Type R suspension bits, nicer seats, better shifting transmission, larger stabilizer bars, lower suspension, bigger brakes......as far as 9th gen Civic Si, I owned a 2015. This chassis is light years ahead of the of the 9th gen platform. This alone is enough to abandon the 9th gen for a 10th. As great as the K24 is, the new 1.5T is progress.

[@Billybobthor]

J Fazzuoli totally agree! Nicely put.

[@joemonaco3558]

yuo

[@joemonaco3558]

yup

[@vangxiong9643]

J Fazzuoli Agree, I own a 2014 si, and just bought my wife a 2018 si... wow does the new si make my si slow. Bcuz as a daily driver u will b driving in the low rpm.. not above 5. And the turbo kicks in nicely at 2.5 rpm. I mean in order to drove slow u literally need to shift gears at 1.8rpm, any higher and the turbo kicks in.. freakin love the new si... oh yea.. fkin 40mpg!!!

[@devn3813]

J Fazzuoli I’ve always loved Honda and the SI and I love the new si but this tiny high boost engine and the fake vents and funny looking parts of the car turns me away. What turns me away is the fact that the elantra sport is almost more of an SI than the 10th gen SI is now. I almost bought the new SI but I think I might go with the Elantra. I still can’t decide and I’m not getting a used car so I’m going to have to accept what they offer now

[@timmybridges5641]

Thx for your feedback. You are definitely one of my favorite critics. I have had my Si since 12/2017. My ONLY potential gripe is straightline power. This car is not a drag racer, but consider I have personally witnessed over 40 mpg, but mostly I get around 34 mpg no matter how I drive. Pit this car against an 88 Gt Mustang and this car will win. This tiny 1.5T is a mighty little engine. I will be upgrading my clutch and exhaust soon to take more advantage of what is there.

[@sergeyb8]

Who needs a navigation with Android Auto / Car Play? If anything, I DON'T want factory Navi because they always suck

[@accordwhip3467]

Exactly my opinion. If I've got Android Auto, I don't care that I don't have navigation.

[@bboy1hunnid329]

Sergey Bebenin meh

[@alexl9758]

Bboy 1hunnid Get your edgy ass out of here kid.

[@bboy1hunnid329]

Alex Lin lol your not aloud to call me a kid when your profile pic is curby fuck outta here

[@alexl9758]

Bboy 1hunnid I can call you a kid because you type and act like a fucking immature child.

[@motorcitymanman7711]

You Need to drive a 9th gen again, it does NOT pull as hard as the 10th gen 1.5

[@b_nast19]

I don't mind the engine that much. The reason I don't like it over a 9th gen is bc of the styling. It's close, but they need to chill w the fake vents around the whole car.

[@sahbiot]

at 3:55 I thought VTEC kicked in, but its was only your voice.

[@ffampire]

sahbiot When the Vtec kicks in yo, I mean no with this Si.

[@Raul93si]

HAHAHA!! Your funny

[@motorcitymanman7711]

I'd rather have the power low and mid range than top end.....how much time do you spend at 130mph??? You wont be driving long if you do!!! VTech is way over rated!!!! 1.5 T is a MUCH better combo of performance AND mpg, I see 40mpg with my 18 SI. Amazed that this driver says the 1.5 is a dissapointment!

[@kencai6803]

You might not know they put vtec on the same engine for the Accord, this 1.5T turbo engine with vtec do appear on Accord but not Civic, Which I don't like. As you said vtec might overrated, but this is Honda, is all about the vtec.

[@inthemoment1959]

Wow! I could not disagree more with your analysis of the new SI. The old version was very much a niche vehicle and the 2017 forward is better in virtually every arena. At handles much better, has much more usable Midrange torque, is more comfortable, more spacious, gets better gas mileage and is much more refined and poised. If you're 16 years old and want a little naturally aspirated go-kart that only performs marginally well when you're gunning it, that's fine. I don't. The new SI handles better than most near luxury sports sedans costing twice as much and I have owned BMWs. Just my two cents. Thanks for the video!

[@kylenewberry8598]

I think most people say its actually the best si ever made.

[@Michael0697]

This is the power the regular Civic should have.

[@EKFiPod]

that rev hang doe

[@LukeO-1234]

I would buy this. Daily driver that's comfortable decent fun not too much power but enough to have a little bit of fun.

[@rkvang479]

whats an Si without vtec?!

[@claudio_wrx]

Ricky Vang 85-91 Si had no VTEC

[@guido8000]

throw a huge turbo on there and it will feel kinda like vtec when that shit finally spools up. is the exhaust manifold integrated??

[@kievmiddeton2656]

DesertSilverMetallicDC5 but they were multi-ported electronic fuel injected, hence making them "sports injected" aka "SI". Once that became standard VTEC became the exclusive Si trim.

[@jvswwevo]

An SI without vtec is just a civic.

[@rkvang479]

guido8000 when ur driving an si but u dont feel vtec kicking in at 6.5-7k...this is just a more power ex sport :/

[@krazykookmany]

The engine is a disappointment? I’m sorry but consumers looking to spend 24k on a Civic just aren’t looking for the noise of the k24 anymore. This car is meant for people who want a daily but also want to have fun once in a while and enthusiasts are going to go for the Type R anyway. The 10th gen produces the same amount of power without having to get all the way to 7500 rpm to do it and with 1L less displacement for fuel efficiency. Every Honda competitor is switching their lineup to I4 turbo engines to get power and fuel efficiency and Honda is just going with the times. If you want a k24, buy a 9th gen. If you want a modern car with modern features and a modern engine, buy the 10th gen.

[@camperpro482]

lol you krazy buyers just dont get it. They abandoned what they stood for (100 Hp/Litre) Its also already proven. They only decided to go turbo to satisfy you multitasking environmentalist nerds that demands effiecient every godman second. They changed the proven design/setup then call it "innovative" lol. The problem with Honda is peer pressure (sheep syndrome). Theyre just copying everyone because "everyone is doing it". The power of dreams is dead (just like the consumer's brains).

[@mrorionfan1]

Didn't know more people were going towards buying 4-door Civics! I still love the 2-doors even though the doors are heavier and more cumbersome.

[@Tonio_onair]

I love my civic si coupe. Looks awesome with the wing and it looks like the back is more taller than front and it makes it look like a bullet tho

[@gaivoron]

Honda needed to keep their reliable 2.4l.

[@BmoreIrish]

The motor is a beast when reflashed.

[@BmoreIrish]

The 1.5T I mean

[@domywork.6363]

Vanneker I'm sure a all motor would have been the best for thr si honda can make 2 20 hp on the motor.wacky ass 1.5

[@yulhunsung6866]

if honda kept Si with high revving N/A v-tec engine and type r with v-tec + turbo i am pretty sure every one will understand, acknowledge and thank the differences and would love to buy Si and type-r for different reasons and prices...

[@osamabindrinkin40s]

I like this car and I thought drove really good! Not sure what everyone is complaining about. You can always put your own exhaust for more noise!

[@gregblack8550]

Most reviews are saying it’s now a better car and I agree.Get over the Vtec already.

[@Xx1SailorScoutxX]

What do you think of Honda killing off their V6 offerings?

[@97I30T]

Elton Thomas Downsizing and forced induction engines are the way of the future. As emissions regulations get stricter manufacturers will keep downsizing to comply with them. Toyota and Nissan will be soon to follow, I'm sure of it. Almost every major car company is getting rid of V6s in their cars and lower trim SUVs. Honda is doing the right thing.

[@f181234]

Elton Thomas turbo 4 cylinders are the future so much more pros than cons better fuel economy, more power etc I can't go on and on.

[@francismartinez6049]

Dolphins101 what's vag? You mean VAG COM like for the German cars ?

[@ormand3000]

Brian Lawrance I mean vagina.

[@aidananchaya]

I don't like it. They should have kept the V6 and the coupe in the Accord lineup

[@hector3041]

Honda engines have no low end torque...now they do...now people complain honda does not have high end peak power at 19000rpm

[@pj8761]

Just another example of how people will complain about something no matter what.

[@osamabindrinkin40s]

I liked the car when I test drove it. I thinking about buying one from a car broker and not a dealership.

[@victortroska175]

Nobody who owned an SI complained about the torque. Only dipshits who never wanted a Honda did. The trade off with high revs is lower torque, nobody cared.

[@bryanwelch6209]

8th gen best Si. I loved my fg2.

[@jediknight3504]

I disagree folks ive had my 17 about 3 weeks. I enjoy it so much. It’s fast and I love having a Manuel transmission again. I think the only thing I dislike is the freckin radio. Lol

[@PayDro007]

Keep...Moving...Forward...

[@KAnE3o1]

Great follow up review. The best 10th gen Si review so far from you.

[@christianreczek1469]

Short answer:yes

[@alexbaker7243]

I gotta say, you are completely wrong about this car. It's the fastest Si ever built, and the most fun to drive. It's stomping all the competition in National Autocross events. It is extremely tuneable and stomps previous gen Si's that have been turbo'd / supercharged with only some bolt ons and a tune. Your bias is showing, big time.

[@serenaalauren]

Alex Baker the 2015 is the fastest si man do some research

[@errorerror3133]

I hope one day you can review my 1990 civic

[@kt81776]

Roland Bat damn that was a good year. The 90 accord was amazing still remember sitting in my dad 81 accord watching the 90 and thinking damnnn what a car, same with ls400's.

[@francismartinez6049]

Roland Bat ooooo does it have a blue or red interior??

[@dlg5485]

I still hate the styling of this car. It looks like a 12 year old sketched it. Most grown ups probably won't find this design appealing.

[@philpin9230]

Solution: Hondata

[@Arctice36]

Phil Pin it will give the engine peak types of torque that only last a couple hundred rpm the the turbo dies and torque falls

[@505enthusiast4]

Ktuner v20 adds ovee 50 lbs torque right up to redline

[@Arctice36]

PeePee2000 it doesn't matter about boost curve, a lot of turbo engines when getting peak power torque starts to fall, like BMWs turbo 6 it makes peak torque at 1350 to 5200 and at 5500 peak power comes in and torque falls, I've seen a e46 m3 turbo making boost by gear and rpm making its max torque from 4K to redline and peak power at redline

[@subvet3668]

It should come from the factory with a better tune so people don't have to resort to Hondata to get the power at risk of their warranty.

[@NA-nc5dg]

@@subvet3668 state emissions might have something to say about that. Instead be happy honda over-engineered so Hondata can hook you up.

[@TonyKimtheamusementparkfan]

The 9th gen Honda Civic SI, in my opinion, was the best Civic SI ever made with that K24 VTEC 4-cylinder, and it had so much character to it. VTEC is what made the SI so fun to drive and experience, and that K24 motor, which is the same one in an Acura TSX, just sounded glorious.

[@gaivoron]

Can't wait for that all new s2000 with a 1.5l turbo.

[@jbowen867]

Nsx with Dat 1.5 turbo

[@SavagexRaccoon]

Vanneker with 2 electric motors powering the rear wheels :^)

[@Fatmouse25]

don't forget the vtec delete.

[@jamielannoo4250]

That would be a S1500

[@willbermudez2386]

And eco mod for enthusiast

[@deej628]

12:08 is the best part! Loved you getting worked up over the ADM. I agree it's effing ridiculous ppl pay that and dealerships charge it! Type R at MSRP ftw!

[@TOMMYBOY6969]

Honda should put the option Si onto the Hatchback, they will sell much more Si in the hatch than the coupe !

[@Techkid720]

TOMMYBOY6969 si sedan?

[@TwisteeTheDefiant1]

I've been bitching about this ever since I heard it was a coupe and sedan only AGAIN I can't even consider this one a real si the damn engine doesn't even sound like it's doing anything the last gen may have had the same revs but it sounded so badass revving up to 7.2k rpm while this model sounds like a damn fit without vtec. The type R started off as a hatchback and only had one model that was a sedan (FD2 which shall not be mentioned again and will stay in its forgotten hole) while the si started as a hatchback but Honda decided nah no more si hatchback after the ep3 let's add a sedan with the coupe instead. 😠

[@smuve740]

YES!!!!

[@impulsivedesigns]

The SI should have come with the ILX motor. Would have been a home run.

[@L_G_Brandon]

Still don't know why people are complaining about this car it is faster than the last one there is even a video on KZbin were the regular 1.5t civic its beating an SI supposedly both stock

[@lastpally]

Gtaoutsider hell the regular civic was also a CVT 😂😂

[@Beach5and]

In Canada, an Si is $33k and an Elantra Sport is $24k.

[@2ZH]

So it's fun, get hondata and have more fun lol. I really want to get this car as a coupe . I own a 97 CL 3.0 so I think it would be nice. Thoughts?

[@pete_43299]

Did you end up getting one?

[@SilverScarletSpider]

At $23,000 The 2017 Honda Civic Si doesn’t take “Sport Injected” to mean “fun injected” like they did with VTEC in the 5th-9th gen; Si now means more performance with Turbocharged Engine Torque ala Volkswagon Jetta GLi.

[@southbayla3137]

Just wait another 150k miles till the engine gets very very very very loud.

[@BmoreIrish]

Lease deals on Si’s now between $179-199/mo. It’s a steal at that rate. Making me rethink my intended hatch sport 6spd purchase.

[@LearnAboutFlow]

Oh, it's even funnier! You can lease a Honda Fit for only slightly less. HMMMMM, now which one would be the better deal? In fact, around here the Sport Civic is only $20/month cheaper than the Si. Why would you not lease an Si?

[@JimmytheGenius]

These civics are getting bigger and bigger, might as well be a cadillac.

[@alansmilealot]

Sergio Aguirre how do you know that he hasn't been saying this about the 8th and 9th as well. He has a crx in his pic so he has the right to say so.

[@aybehcee]

JimmytheGenius I test drove a 2017... it feels like a little toy... Didn't like it at all

[@JimmytheGenius]

Sergio Aguirre not only is it a boat, it's also the slowest si since 16 years ago.

[@JimmytheGenius]

Sergio Aguirre more like 15's stock, 180whp 170tq.

[@JimmytheGenius]

Sergio Aguirre low 14's, are we talking with slicks now?

[@stuna101a]

I had a 2009 Civic SI with a full exhaust (headers, no cats, open muffler) Hondata and a CAI. It was awesome, a total screamer over 9K rpm and felt like it had a sport bike engine under the hood. it was so much fun. I raced my new stock 2010 GTI with my 2009 Civic SI and the Civic annihilated the GTI, I miss that Civic. After that Honda upped the displacement along with the torque but lowered the redline and the light flyweightness of the engine revs....

[@MT-vi6vb]

Sofyan, how does this compare to the Toyota 86?

[@RichardsWorld]

It seemed pretty decent up to about 55MPH.

[@yongutsa]

Honda should have provided Si Hatchback!, imho ...

[@nikko1984]

The hatchback sold in the european market is weird, full of plastics on bumpers. The sedan is much more elegant.

[@baldheadlogic]

Hey Sofyan...I gotta give you mad props for being real talk in this review.

[@rexe3139]

A civic si should be naturally aspirated with vtec

[@jackdaniels2905]

Wow you talk and drive at the same time so well.

[@kidboise5380]

The funny thing is that if you really want to hear this particular L15 engine howl, you can do so in a used Fit, which has next to no sound deadening a non-turbo, dumbed-down version of the motor. Also I like how the upcoming Accord takes the type r's motor and detunes it (and it's still available in a 6mt!!!). IMO the SI should've done the same. Would have loved to see a good old K20 with a turbo, even if they detuned it further to something like 225 hp. I just really like the characteristics of the K engine over the L. I'm even tempted by the base Civic LX with a manual, just so I could get a new civic with a K-series motor. Sorry for the word-vomit comment :P

[@JoseRivera-li8tr]

This motor has nothing in common with the fit btw. Only bore size. It's no k24 but it sure can embarrass one with just a tune. A shame Honda tuned it so conservatively

[@puns01]

the k20 with a turbo? You mean what's in the Type R?

[@Goulet42590]

I have a 2019 and yes it needs some mods from stock and mine definitely is moded and tuned and I absolutely love it

[@natecarvideos8898]

It should have at least 250hp

[@darryla6527]

vtec high rev engine was a main reason to consider the civic Si

[@chrisgnay4973]

Civic Si or Civic type R . . . Which is better at it's price.

[@R3putaytion13]

Considering dealers are upcharging Type R's 10 grand while keeping regular price for SI's, id say the Si

[@YoungSperm]

Civic are just not worth it lol look at it

[@M_773]

Kellan Larson lol in Canada its illegal to do markups so you can get a type r normal price... if you wanna wait till the end of 2018 for delivery

[@francismartinez6049]

Chris Gnay Elantra Sport. Much more reliable

[@M_773]

Brian Lawrance how? don't get all mad at me just asking

[@BryanW916]

I 100% agree with you! The engine is pretty much the only thing that was disappointing. It's too quiet and wish it had the vtec changeover. I loved my 8th gen SI because of the sky high redline and the vtec. As always, love your reviews.

[@TomesEsq]

Love your vids but please don't start with clickbait titles man.

[@justindavis5983]

The previous generation Si had almost no power right off the line, it is rediculous. I think that's why they added the turbo, to distribute the power more evenly. They didn't add Vtec to the Si as another reason for buyers to step up to the Type R. And I'm so glad Honda didn't add any stickers to it. It's like a sticker on a minivan that says "Power sliding doors" fancily.

[@exyiaevox]

The problem is that the best strengths of the 2017 Si are strengths of the 10th gen Civic, not the Si. The Si is the worst trim of the best Civic yet. Best interior. Best chassis. Best refinement. .....but no HondaSensing, less features than Touring trim, cheap cloth fabric interior trims. The "Sport" button with adaptive dampers are just a gimmick as 90% of owners would just end up using Sport mode all the time. I could live without VTEC if there was more raw power to enjoy, but they just got lazy and said "we added more torque, that's all you complained about". VTEC was what made the meager 200hp more exciting than it was on paper. All they did was take the great 10th gen Civic and applied a basic checklist from the previous Si instead of actually pushing the bar. And wanting to not steal light from the TypeR is stupid. The WRX is the best example of having strong, non-neutered examples of both would do nothing but build excitement for the brand. Sigh Honda........

[@victortroska175]

Honda is retarded. I am done with them. Reliability is now amyth and they have accountants running things now not driving enthusiasts or passionate engineers.

[@saifoh]

They should've put a k20 and slamed a turbo on it so it could compete with the ST. The 8th gen si was great just because of the smooth and powerful K20

[@mugenkb2]

You're not suppose to rest your hand on the shifter for manual cars FYI.

[@TheRichardF10]

Fuck it, its not his. XD

[@YoungSperm]

Why the hell not

[@aoucelloutus3573]

lol true that

[@brucec43]

synchronizer wear.

[@jeremyventurino9481]

As long as you aren't applying pressure in any direction it's perfectly fine.

[@2006gtobob]

That 1.5 totally turned me off when I took it for a test drive last July. No vtec yo, no top end, loud, rough, and a bit of lag, and I didn't particularly care for the clutch pick up points. The rest of the car was fairly good, missing a few options like LED headlights and built in nav, but it has a good price. Sadly, that engine was a turn off.

[@subvet3668]

Robert D. Exactly. This car is literally only a tenth of a second quicker than the basic turbo civic. I really wanted to like this car but it just has so many shortcomings.

[@jev2867]

For the money the Si is really hard to beat. And if they give deals because of slow sales, it'll even be more of a bargain. Vtec is old, not economical and the midrange is whats widely used more so than the topend anyway. Definitely quicker than my 9th gen but lacking in sound which gives you somewhat false sense of speed (slow.) I just wish it was available in hatchback. The sport hatchback looks more sportier than the Si, odd.

[@Billybobthor]

I love my new Si. Very enjoyable to drive and not so fast that I’ll get pulled over every day.

[@616civicmt8]

I need to get into my local Honda dealer and test drive one, at first I thought it would be disappointing but Im starting to like it. Wish it had Vtec, but I love my LX 6-speed!

[@ZephyrCorsa]

I think thr new Si is a step in a new direction for Honda, people don't like change. The old high revving Si models were fun but this new line of Honda engines is about driver fun, great torque throughout the rev range for more punch, and efficiency. All in a sporty, affordable package.

[@MrRdoc94]

I have a 2017 Touring in the White Pearl color, was gonna get this but once I saw the back I just couldn't do it, glad I went with the Touring such a brilliant car.

[@stevenjames1138]

I realize I'm in the minority here, but I actually don't like cars that make a lot of noise. Don't get me wrong. I like fast cars. And I like Honda. (I owned a Honda CRX Si back in the day.) But I'd be happy with a silent electric car. For me, the worst are noisy cars that still don't go fast. Whereas the best are cars that go fast while making little if any noise. To me, loud cars belong at a race track. Yeah. Your car can go fast, but does that mean that the entire neighborhood has to know? Loud cars to me are kind of like those weightlifters at the gym that brag a lot and grunt a lot while lifting. Yeah. You're strong. Great. But do you have to make unnecessary noise simply to draw attention to yourself? Loud cars are not people, of course, but I still feel like their owners are somewhat similarly overcompensating. I like a car that "walks softly but carries a big stick". Yet that's just my opinion, and I know I'm in the minority.

[@legendosito]

Steven James DeBlasi you're not alone my friend :)

[@VaunShiz]

You spend extra money on a sport car and you want to pull up sounding like a Prius ? I guess if you like the sleeper effect

[@whitenacho7868]

Steven James DeBlasi then Tesla is the car for you. If youre rich

[@andreaescano9641]

Steven James DeBlasi i see where you coming from man. my brother is the same way. he likes silent cars. but hey alot peeps like me want some noise im not saying a sound that will blast somebodys ear but a litte more sound than the usual. thats why i have cat back exhaust on my car. its my prefference thou. but im not hating what your trying to say. peeps just have different tase you know.

[@DaveOrtiz]

Steven James DeBlasi, I drive this daily and I love the AFEPower exhaust I upgraded to. It’s the perfect amount of the power, performance, and uppgradability.$2000 in aftermarket upgrades and you have a near 300hp rocket.

[@nowayoutstp4]

Impressive video reiteration! Dang you know a lot about cars. Period, and it shows.

[@ericleeSupSayK]

No Honda is worth markups.

[@GenericAF123]

ericleeSupSayK the reason why there’s a markup is because people are will to pay more. The fact you think no Honda is worth the markup is opinion and not based on reality.

[@AlfredoPachecoJr]

Is no one going to comment on the fact that a coupe requires all back seat passengers to be under 5 ft to not hit the roof?

[@jamieharris74]

Alfredo Pacheco Jr weird. I’m 5’10 & didn’t have any problem in the back of a coupe. Maybe other passengers insist on wearing hats?

[@yippie6862]

Did Honda Kill The 2017 Civic Si? I don't know because you didn't answer the question to the title of your own video.

[@505enthusiast4]

Yippie we are suppose to decide

[@yippie6862]

Maybe so, but I'm not a car reviewer or expert. He is. How many of us have even driven it? He has.

[@505enthusiast4]

Yippie you have to get out there and test drive one if it interest you. Ive only test driven the focus st and I loved the power and the way it handles. I also want to drive a gti.

[@Techkid720]

I watched your 9th Gen civic review and I like the way this engine seems compared to the other one.

[@alezandra97]

Hey, greetings from New Jersey!

[@techfusionaz2496]

If Honda made the SI it's own niche vs all other civics by getting rid of the turbo COMPLETELY and only having VTEC, it would be a truly amazing sports car.

[@francismartinez6049]

I'd take an 8th gen over this any day of the week.

[@Eeaotc02]

Screw those. Those Civic are ugly. 9th gen all the way!

[@b.f.378]

8th gen Civics were the best looking ones

[@victortroska175]

+Double JJ You're kidding, right? I have a 9th gen only because I missed the 8th.

[@Robrob007]

I can hear the Rev Hang issue when you shift....

[@rubenbadass]

Hondata to the rescue

[@dylanrichards7509]

2017 civic Si owner here love everything about it except how the top end dies out Easy fix with k tunner and downpipe but still I have a Prl intake and invidia Gemini exhaust and pretty happy with it

[@kyleminissale3318]

that 1.5T kills the car for me

[@victortroska175]

+Sergio Aguirre Lame, boring shit. It's not just the speed.

[@bobbowie9350]

Love your honest reviews. Keep up the great work

[@SGTRacing]

IMO YES!! I 💙 my 8th Gen!!

[@donovanwallace1449]

Someone needs to make a fake bumper cutout delete kit for these new Hondas.......I can't deal with so many black patches.

[@Rainbowrobb]

As someone who bought the Elantra Sport, and as a prior 8th gen Si owner...If the Elantra Sport had a LSD, then Honda would need to just forget about the Si.

[@ffampire]

robert hoffman They are saving that for the N performance cars.

[@VaunShiz]

Elantra sport is garbage if your an enthusiast , where'sit's laptimes and sporting cred? This civic platform beat a bmw M4 around the nurburg ring.... So I'm sure even the si has potential... Elantra sport... Hah

[@Rainbowrobb]

Clous von that's certainly an opinion

[@techpappee]

Clous von It needs 'creed' to be a good car? What a bunch of bull$hit. Fanboy defending against a car they've probably never even drove.

[@505enthusiast4]

Hyuandai n sport division is coming. They have been heavy into rally racing and performance vehicle development

[@mondillo]

Thanks a lot for the video! This is exactly what I was looking for.

[@RayRiv73]

Getting a Elantra Sport tomorrow! Thanks Redline!

[@deadlift0425]

Love my Si. Plenty fast for everyday driving and the handling is amazing.

[@MrHav1k]

They should have put the DCT in this like they'd planned. Then it'd be worth considering.

[@claudio_wrx]

TheHvk or you can man up and learn to drive a stick

[@redlineraphael]

No

[@HuxleyTheProf]

DesertSilverMetallicDC5 Dual clutch is just better tech, lest be honest. I have an si and I love standard transmission but dct 8 speed would make it quite a bit faster

[@VaunShiz]

ceejay1992 si aren't made for 0-60 bragging rights , literally

[@richardgarcia944]

It needs to be at least 2.0 Honda should make the si a 2.0 like accord and type r why put the si below the others just because the original civic was based on fuel efficiency the si should get the upgrade of hp make it compete with the Type r on the track

[@f181234]

richard garcia if it competes with the type r what’s the point of the type r?

[@Cooldog904]

Another civic review yay!

[@alecfoster6653]

This kid cares so much about people looking at his car and how the engine is not loud enough. He's the guy Stan Kowalski warned us about.