Did James Cameron Know The OceanGate Titan would IMPLODE? Body Language Analyst Reacts!

[@AZRockslide42]

When you got to the point of Cameron's guilt, I had reached the same conclusion. Cameron feels partially responsible, because he feels if he had spoken up more, maybe they would have listened. Thing is, other people did speak up, and the CEO didn't listen. He would not have listened to James.

[@JoJoGranum]

In fact Stockton even invited James to this dive. I seriously doubt Stockton would have listened to his concerns. James most wisely declined.

[@hope46sf]

Thank you!

[@eirikrdberg1161]

Stockton would have said up yours Cameron had he tried to stop Stockton Rush and Rush’s long term goal.

[@technophant]

Cameron said he wasn’t following Oceangate closely. He knew enough to turn down a free ride

[@eirikrdberg1161]

@@technophant Everyone who cares has seen that interview.

[@Bearcrapsinwoods]

From the articles and stories that I have seen so far, It doesn't seem like anyone even James Cameron had the power to stop Stockton Rush. He was 100% committed to taking the Titan to see the Titanic, committed to the point that his mind distorted and deleted any information (saftey concerns) that could have caused him to call off the voyage

[@gravelswitch9697]

That's what I thought as well. It is not like they had the legal ability to stop him. He was in international waters and it seems like he had a high propensity to sue people who stood in his way. I think he would have tried suing anyone who spoke out too much about his operation. He would have pointed to prior dives that did not kill anyone as proof that his vessel was safe and the engineering arguments would have gone over the heads of anyone looking at the case who was not also an engineer or a specialist in the materials involved.

[@bombadilloB]

I would not be surprised if stricter legal regulations come into place because of this. It’s wild how he could just do whatever he wants and ignore all regulations/certifications by exploiting loopholes. (And suing whistleblowers)

[@animula6908]

Yeah, but I’m not down for viewing him as a psycho. As much for his own safety as that of anyone else he should have been approached in less confrontational way with these concerns because he genuinely believed in his design enough so that he was on every descent, risking his own life more than any single other human, and he died with his vessel. I’m the kind that gets mad when captains survive and abandon passengers. A captain who goes down with his ship may have made whatever level of mistake or crime, but he stuck with the consequences. He did all I can demand of any man, and I’m not going to go through life thirsting for the blood of an already dead guy. You get viscous that way.

[@martymcyourflysdown6872]

@@bombadilloBThat’s called freedom and he was just exercising his freedom to be an idiot.

[@zane___k7333]

He did take it there 3 times. So I can see why he'd be confident in his design.

[@kananiwolf256]

Dear Spidey: Your behavioral analysis is spot on! This is such a tragedy. I worked on James Cameron's "Titanic" for almost a year. He is extremely intelligent both artistically and logically. I'm happy to see how aging has expanded his ability to feel empathy and compassion. Dare I even say humility? The interview looked as though it took place in his kitchen. Plain and simple, without a display of all the accolades he's garnered over the years. Very appropriate for this somber moment.😢

[@janejdough2230]

nice observation

[@captain_britain]

I'm curious - was he less empathetic/compassionate back when you worked with him? I don't know much about him, outside of his films

[@kananiwolf256]

@@captain_britain He expected and demanded perfection. Crew members cried because Cameron would call them out in a cruel fashion. However, maturity has definitely humbled his social skills as observed in this video. I’m glad to see this metaphorical transformation!

[@kate2create738]

@@kananiwolf256 In some ways I can understand why he might have taken it too far with his harsh behavior, as much as he had the mindset to make the film as an excuse to see and explore the Titanic, at the end of it, it was his dedication to those lives who were ruined by such an event. With a sensitive story it needed to be perfect. He probably had lots of thoughts of whether something like this could be enough to commemorate and honor those who perished. On top of that, it was a big production, something bigger than he probably was used to. And while a lot of films have a risk factor, at least the high quality ones, this movie had major risks but it did pay off enough to help Cameron to further learn about Titanic. The movie became such a phenomena that I remember going in the theaters for the Return of the King of the LOTR trilogy, and a staff member asked the crowd if any movie watcher hadn't seen a movie in years. Turns out previously they had an audience member mention that the last time they went to the theater was to watch Titanic, and they said no movies till The Return of the King was worth going to the movie theaters as no movie could compete with Titanic. I know we just experienced lock down and most movies these days are available in a streaming service, yet going to the movies was one of the biggest socializing events, especially in the 90's. So to have someone not interested in another film for nearly 5 years because 1 movie reached beyond expectation, I'd say everyone involved pulled off, dare say, perfection. Thought you might like to hear this even if you likely have heard people sing and praise the film. Everyone's hard work along with trials and errors paid off superbly.

[@MissusAnon]

How did you personally rate the South Park episode that was done on James Cameron in terms of satirical accuracy?

[@advantager355]

When I heard the name James Cameron I immediately thought of the film director. I didn’t realize that he was also a deep sea vessel expert. His genius is very impressive.

[@tuunaes]

He's done 33 dives to Titanic alone calculating that he has spent more time on wreck than Titanic's captain spent sailing on it. And I wouldn't wonder any if he did dozen+ dives in studying Bismarck's wreck 1km deeper: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqnGfGSVfbyqrKM

[@jprgaming8]

Filmmaking is basically a side job for him now.

[@rickau]

​@jprgaming8 pretty sure it's been a side job for him since Titanic released just looking at what he's been involved with and their frequency. 8 film projects since 1997, and 3 of those credits are cameos as himself. The actual films where he's been part of production are: 1997 - Titanic 2002 - solaris 2009 - avatar 2019 - alita: battle Angel, terminator: dark fate 2022 - avatar: the way of water And his next stuff is avatar 3 & 4 in 2025 and 2029 respectively. Deep sea is his baby, movie making literally funds it for him.

[@angeliquerider-mitchell2538]

​@@tuunaesYou forgot to mention that he's been to the deepest place on the planet, the bottom of the Mariannas Trench! He's very impressive but I can't imagine what drives these guys. Like, I'd love to see the Titanic, when someone brings her up from the sea floor I'll be first in line. 😊

[@chrismeyers5963]

Yeah, the guy has been into deep ocean exploration since he was a kid and Jacques Cousteau was his inspiration, I remember him saying that when I was a kid back in the 80's ( born in 77' ), James has spent more time exploring the ocean than he has film making, so I would trust his advice and expertise over anyone's as James knows his shit when it comes to exploring the deep ocean

[@nancyeaton731]

It’s also stressing out Cameron because Rush’s irresponsibility likely has an effect on the category of submersibles and as a result, in Cameron’s more scientifically sound submersible company. People will be less willing to trust Cameron and will now cast more doubt on deep submersibles in general because of one man’s ignorant shortcuts.

[@TheBehavioralArts]

Love this! What’s a great explanation for why his stress spikes at the end 😊

[@tuunaes]

There's no doubt going to be increased bureaucracy, more permissions etc needed by those using properly designed, constructed and operated submersibles. Also because of most politicians being what they are, this might lead to heavy limits to truly scientific dives on wrecks. Like what Cameron did on Bismarck: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqnGfGSVfbyqrKM

[@bob456fk6]

In a message an expert sent to Stockton Rush some time ago, they said that his recklessness was jeopardizing the industry.

[@MissusAnon]

I dunno, I'm kind of getting the opposite impression from all of this-- that the submarine community has established an authority on making safe submarines and submersibles, and that Stockton Rush was being an insane buccaneer. Even Rush himself makes fun of them for being TOO safe, so if anything in hindsight he just made them look like geniuses in comparison. The most important part is that they knew, came together and attempted to stop Rush from murder-su*cide by deep-water implosion in his plexiglass death coffin and he just didn't listen. What definitely WILL happen is tighter regulations in the sub community and more possible bureaucracy that was previously unnecessary but is now because a rich cavalier manchild ruined it for everyone else.

[@DoesRocksFloat]

Nah, dude. He’s stressed cuz some fucking dumbass didn’t listen. And no doubt can be put on JC. He went to the freaking Mariana Trench and came back. Not only that, his sub was safer and built with safety in mind. His Avatar movies suck though.

[@ambds1975]

I hope Mr. Cameron finds a way to be at peace with this. I agree that he could not have persuaded Stockton Rush. Rush even made a point of saying that submersibles were the safest vehicles on the planet, and this really annoyed me. Yeah, they are safe because people are EXTREMELY CAREFUL about them. They aren't naturally safe things. They are safe because of the tireless efforts of the deep sea exploration community to make them that way.

[@tuunaes]

In certain sense deep sea diving is far more unforgiving than space exploration: Up there pressure delta is 1 bar at most, but in deep sea diving it's hundreds of bars.

[@RockandRollWoman]

​@tuunaes I agree. SCUBA certification taught me a deep respect for the risks of diving. Divers who stay alive are careful folks.

[@melissaholman2605]

Exactly. They're only safe due to people taking very extreme safety measures. Rush sure did like using this argument of how safe they were, yet wasn't actually implementing any of those safety measures that make subs safe.

[@Pentium100MHz]

@@tuunaes Different dangers for those industries. The pressure is lower, but weight of the vehicle matters a lot, but you cannot build it too weak, because reentry is brutal and there are small things (debris from collisions etc) flying around 10 times faster than a bullet.

[@DoesRocksFloat]

Even if he did, Rush has ignored everyone else and even sued one of his former employees that warned them about the sub. Rush wasn’t gonna listen to anyone.

[@syav4467]

I don't think James Cameron has any responsibility in this. The fact is he did speak up, he didn't necessarily know what this guy specifically was doing, and other people DID warn him and he kept going anyways. The fact is that Cameron can't stop someone who is determined to be reckless.

[@SoulDelSol]

Of course he's not responsible!! Why would he be?!?

[@Hemestal]

​@@SoulDelSolof course he is not responsible but as an expert, you always have that insidious thought in your mind that maybe you could've done more to prevent the lose of lives. Its a completely irrational thought, but it just happens.

[@bee12355]

Exactly. He could not have stopped this narcissist Stockton Rush. Rush would not have listened to Jesus Christ if he came down and warned him. Stockton is responsible and the people mom are a choice to go with him. Stop blaming other people for your bad decisions.

[@lesley9989]

​@@HemestalI agree

[@ERSwanger]

Well put! And the owner of oceangate DID always say it was an experimental vessel so idk

[@storycharms]

It only occurred to me after hearing your excellent analysis, that as director of big budget Hollywood blockbusters, James Cameron is acutely aware that he is ultimately responsible for the safety of hundreds of people, including many high net worth individuals, and millions of dollars in investors' funds. Everything about the Oceangate tragedy would resonate with him on such a deep level, no wonder he feels the need to distance himself from these unconscionable and ultimately avoidable events. He doesn't want to imagine a world where anyone would ever take such risks, but his creative visual imagination planted him inside that nightmare from the moment he heard the news. I would bet he's privately very angry and sickened by the whole thing.

[@maggiesays7827]

Yet he bought the rights to the Oceangate movie before we heard it had imploded.

[@jacobbaker4545]

​@@maggiesays7827damn....thats crazy

[@chayahrosenberg184]

@@maggiesays7827 Yeah I can see how that might be off-putting but that story is going to be told. He's really the most qualified to tell it from any number of angles. Were I him, and I'm not, I'd probably have done the same thing. From him I think we have the best chance of an actual truthful story simply because he literally put his own skin - and no one else's - in the game.

[@adamwu4565]

@@chayahrosenberg184 If he really did that, another motivation for it would be to simply prevent anyone else from trying to make a profit off of the story. It is not uncommon in Hollywood for a studio to buy the rights to a movie or story or script with no intent to produce it themselves, just to prevent the competition from being able to. So by buying the movie rights in this way, he gets to ensure that if the story is told, he will have direct input into making sure it gets told in a way that he feels appropriate, but also keeping open the option open to bury it and never let it be told.

[@druidforest6787]

Loved this one. I like learning about body language in people who aren’t being deceptive.

[@raven4k998]

he knew it would implode cause when you hear him speak about the implosion you can tell he saw it coming from past experience with unmanned subs that used the carbon fiber titanium hull and they were not holding up so if they couldn't hold up against the ocean pressure for those it would be the same for a manned sub he knew cause he explains titanium or steel hulls for subs to last a long time and not going past the service life of the sub it's the same with all pressure vessels whether with planes or subs they fail eventually due to fatigue

[@denisecaringer4726]

I have to join the chorus here: Cameron himself has said he could see the danger signs and that he wishes he'd said more. That does not mean that he was responsible for somehow warning Rush and preventing this. Clearly, a number of engineers DID warn Rush, and Rush's reaction was defensiveness and anger. Does the record show that Rush would have listened to Cameron? No. I keep wondering what it was in Rush's life experience that gave him not only the obvious confidence and bravado but also the obvious chip on his shoulder, which produced defensiveness, anger and resentment toward anyone questioning him. Those are not signs of a confident person. Such a sad scenario all the way around.

[@nancystewart8853]

I think I remember him saying that he thought the “problem” might have been fixed. So, he wasn’t entirely guilty for not speaking up. Furthermore, it’s not his responsibility to appoint himself a quality control expert for another man’s work.

[@Muck006]

In material science "problems" are NEVER PERMANENTLY FIXED ... you only "figure out HOW MANY USES a piece of technology has BEFORE IT NEEDS TO BE SERVICED and also HOW OFTEN IT NEEDS TO BE CHECKED FOR DAMAGE!" The sub apparently had been down at the Titanic several times, but with composite materials you should EXPECT "breaks between the components" through "use" and the pressure difference between "surface" and "Titanic depth" are severe, so it SHOULD HAVE BEEN checked and serviced after every dive! Since they skipped certification they probably skipped that too. What I last heard about the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico ... they "skipped a replacement of a safety valve" (for a bit more profits) ... and that's why it completely broke. This would be an example of "fixing a problem/FIGURING OUT HOW LONG A PIECE IS SAFE TO USE" from a material scientist perspective ... In your car a "safety replacement of a component" wont matter too much, because it usually only affects you and might result in you breaking down on the side of the road, but a deep sea / space vehicle / oil rig / nuclear reactor will affect many people if it fails.

[@cl5470]

For anyone who isn't a sociopath, that is cold comfort.

[@alexei4204]

As someone with a BA in theatre/acting and with plenty of experience onstage and on camera, I can say that your analyses should be some part of any actors well rounded training program. Your analyses are detailed, easy to follow and I learn new things every time while also remembering old things, every time. Top

[@RominaJones]

I would guess a lot of great actors understand some of these things intuitively. I do think many would get something out of such a course too.

[@deganhardt77]

he has been warning them for over 2 years it was unsafe and could lead to an implosion. he said that in an interview.

[@colinjava8447]

So why did he say he wished he had said something to them? Maybe he was talking about another group of people.

[@djofortunato5799]

Maybe he was warning the community and he wished he had reached out to Rush personally, in hopes that a personal appeal could have stopped his approach

[@Dani-ICU-RN]

I mean. It's like ( I'm just an icu RN , no engineer..) here,in medical world,doing something that's not "protocol," or giving a - not FDA approved med- Not many would pay $250,000 for a magic pill ,if it didn't go thru the process..no disrespect at all.. just sayin.

[@SoulDelSol]

​@@djofortunato5799it wouldn't have made a difference. Stockton received warnings dozens of times from industry leaders and said he had grown tired of hearing safety warnings. His own lead engineer expressed concerns and he fired and sued him

[@SoulDelSol]

​@@colinjava8447he's pointing out he had nothing to do with this debacle. That's a nice way of saying "I don't know these guys"

[@tamoshanter6268]

well done. I would be interested in your interpretation of Stockton Rush's body language in some of his interviews.

[@TheIsaNva]

Me too; but i think it may be too soon. His family is mourning him I would assume.

[@Patrick-jx1yo]

I think pretty much everyone in this field felt that a Titan implosion was likely, given the design, the materials, and the depth to which it was going.

[@souldancersbyjennifer]

@@glitterspray Oh dear...when you put it that way.... The whole submarine community looking down shaking their heads... Sigh...that's very sad indeed

[@JayeEllis]

Cameron definitely knew implosion was a distinct possibility, and given the abruptness with which communication was lost, it was the most likely scenario.

[@georgiamadden6503]

Well just from the fact that they make tools to bust out a car window if you happened to somehow end up in a lake other body of water tells you the pressure at the titanic level is crushing.

[@animula6908]

I was pretty convinced they were alive because the news said they were banging in Morse code and all kinds of pure fantasy. Thing is, I knew better than to believe the news, but they still got me with this one. I gotta stop even listening to them. I should get all my news secondhand, and wait a month before even considering believing it 😂😂😂

[@niranjanmurthy126]

R u nasa scientist 😂

[@MandaJeanne]

​@@animula6908if you read The Smith Mundt Modernization Act of 2012 ... You will never believe them again ...

[@TheTytoGaurdian]

​@animula6908 Oh, I knew they were most likely dead when they were reported missing, and I'm not even an expert in submarines. I thought the news reporting was kinda weird because banging noices coming from the ocean could be any number of things. Unless they were getting deliberate and specific messages (that could have been published to the news) it would have been highly unlikely to be Morse code. (Not to mention that there's also a giant metal shipwreck nearby that could easily explain banging sounds.) No, I just knew submarines were dangerous, and there's always a risk going that deep. Plus, getting down there to help them, even if they were stranded, would be impossibly difficult.

[@lyleparadise2764]

It would be interesting to see a body language analysis of Stockton Rush's past interviews.

[@bamadad53]

Yes it certainly would.

[@souldancersbyjennifer]

Wow...that would be really really interesting to see...

[@dunwoodie27]

As a visual learner an analytical thinker, I completely understand James Cameron’s thinking and his mindset. Visual is the most absorbing way to learn as well as hands on. Everyone is different.

[@Lmapmpmfa]

And, then, James Cameron immediately calls out all the points I just touched on without saying Bob should have been more clear. Yet James also puts distance between Stockton and him. James. James also seems to be saying Stockton only cared about getting the project completed. James says that he very vocally said someone was going to die if this design was used. It’s almost like an “I told you so you irresponsible moron.”

[@TheBehavioralArts]

Ha. Yeah. He navigated that response elegantly, pun intended

[@chamuuemura5314]

What’s fascinating is you’re performing many of the same gestures that your analyzing, such as gesturing to the left when talking about the past and gesturing to the right for a negative/rejection. Great job!

[@lilyrrichard236]

Wow you're right! Good eye 😊

[@adamstevens5518]

I bet mirroring is also an important part of how he engages in his behavioral arts to the point where he does it subconsciously.

[@sparklebox11]

I thought he was doing this to demonstrate.

[@adamstevens5518]

You're right.. good chance that it was at least partially a conscious choice.

[@DreamingCatStudio]

Thank you Spidey, I learned so much, like how the highly visual Cameron used gestures to indicate a past and future timeline, as well as distancing himself from a topic. Watching you it’s clear you’re visual too, and from all of your gestures toward and around your temples value mental awareness and knowledge-duh, right, you identify as a “mentalist”. By the way I am so distracted by your background, mainly the line through the heart, and the crossed braces behind the shelves, and I keep trying to figure out what they might mean. Also I love your voice, I find it soothing. Thanks again for another thoughtful informative video!

[@lifewithduchenne3030]

Where does the ladder go??

[@alexlacle4489]

​@@lifewithduchenne3030Indeed, where does it go??

[@juliegerasimenko200]

I love what James Cameron had to say! It felt totally sincere to me and he is such a clear and engaging communicator! (Also, haven’t watched this video yet-so excited to get my coffee and indulge!)

[@TheMaskedChef7]

Agreed - hope you enjoy the analysis it’s brilliant as usual

[@RockyNikolashin]

I love this format! As a psychotherapist, the way you presented this information was so helpful I took notes and bookmarked the video. This will help me continue to grow professionally. Thank You!

[@TheBehavioralArts]

That’s awesome! Glad you enjoyed it. Representational systems are pretty useful in therapy to help you adapt your messaging just a little to the specific subject 😊

[@Cymraesarall]

Yes - I really enjoyed this and am sure to use some of the insights learned.

[@tammygray]

Thank you for this. It was really interesting to see an analysis focused on emotions other than deception. (I love the deception ones though!) I didn't realize James Cameron had that depth of knowledge. I thought he just made a movie and I was wondering why his name kept getting brought up in regard to the safety of the vessel.

[@kittycatmommy2364]

Thank you, Spidey. for covering this interview. I was eager to see your opinion, which is always so detailed and interesting. For James I could only imagine it would have been hard for him to give his expert opinion to someone who was so determined to move forward his way, and who probably wouldn't have listened to him anyway. I'm sure he didn't want to sound like he was superior. Again.... thank you. 😊

[@ajsquaredproductions7860]

Spidey, I don't know if you've ever talked about this, but do you always watch what you record to make sure that your body language matches or expresses what you intended before releasing videos? Just got curious about that. Love what you do and the unique take you're always able to present. Love when you collab with Rob and the Behavioral Panel too!

[@lots2learn373]

We can each become blinded by our passions. Spidey ~ your astute analysis and clear explanations are astounding .. amazing and .. appreciated! Triple A commentary! Your sensitivity/ regard/ and respect for the victims of the Titan, as well as for the interviewees, is apparent and very much appreciated. May God comfort and bless their families and friends and comfort those who knew them best. Thanks, Spidey.

[@niranjanmurthy126]

Who's spidey😢

[@lots2learn373]

@@niranjanmurthy126 Hello ~ please replay the start of the video, where he introduced himself. Spidey is the creator of this channel and the presenter/ commentator who does the analysis, commentary, the video, the editing, and I'm certain much more. Spidey is his name and he introduceds himself at the start of each of his videos. Welcome.

[@mommyhatesguns]

Spidey, I love that you cover not only things I am dying to have you go over, but also things I would never have even thought to explore, like this. I always learn so much from you!

[@sahdogwrangler5594]

Monday morning after the sub was lost, I asked my coworker what he thought, a retired submariner with over 30 years served. He said, it imploded. Everyone in the industry knew it was a ticking time bomb but there was nothing anyone could do. They tried. He wouldn't listen. Since we haven't heard from David Lockridge, I assume he signed a NDA. Interesting video on body language though.

[@Mike_Hughes]

Crew, just before launch: "Stockton, don't you think we should be checking out these increasingly loud noises, from the Hull, before you decend again?" Stockton Rushjob: "Don't be silly, there's no time! Now come on, let's get cracking!"...

[@NicolaMaxwell]

They were warned 5 years ago not to do this. So scary.

[@TheMaskedChef7]

By multiple workers and specialists they ignored all of them

[@blackhd92]

so were the Wright brother's, Charles Lindburgh Columbus was also you know the whole end of the earth thing...Wonder how the Gemini Mercury and Apollo rockets were certified? Apollo 1 burned three men to death im sure it was certified🤔🤔

[@NicolaMaxwell]

​@@TheMaskedChef7 Yep it was a trip for rich people who thought they knew better. You need to respect the ocean. They'll have been gone before they even registered there was a problem. It imploded quicker than we can process in our minds.

[@mariee.5912]

Your time off served you well. This was amazing. Worth the wait. Thank you ❤

[@TheBehavioralArts]

Thank you so much 🤗

[@chrismeyers5963]

The thing that gets me is, when I see other vids about this, most folks are out there hating on James Cameron because he's a director, what they seem to be forgetting ( a lot ) is he was into ocean exploration waaaaay before he came into being a director, he even stated that Jacques Cousteau was his main source of inspiration for loving the ocean and exploring all it's nook and cranny's as a kid. Camreon knew exactly what he's talking about when it comes to submersibles because he's contributed a shit ton to the advancement of better fabrication methods and safety protocols for deep ocean exploration, I think folks in over vids covering this need to get their heads out of their butts and do some serious research on what exactly James Cameron has done in the name of deep ocean exploration and I guarantee you, they'd be pleasantly surprised

[@TamCatG]

Great analysis. When I first heard about it on the news, I just did not have a good feeling about this one. Hindsight is 20/20, and I’m sure Cameron keeps thinking about if and how he could have been more vocal about the dangers, but he should not feel guilty about it. I don’t believe, even if he had said something, it would have prevented this. From what I’ve seen about Rush is he was a very arrogant, smooth talking narcissist who prioritized money, publicity, and ego over sound knowledge, advice, and experience. He got lucky with those first twelve voyages. He kept tempting fate unfortunately with other people’s lives. It was only a matter of time.

[@westzed23]

All of these types of crafts have max number of dives then the craft is overhauled. The same with aircraft. It always errs on the side of caution.

[@TamCatG]

@@westzed23 Exactly. Rush’s engineer said that this (Titan) would be good enough to get him down there “once”. 12 more time was really pushing it. I’m surprised it lasted that long.

[@CineSoar]

The insidious thing about it, was that they gained confidence with each successful dive, while the physics of cyclical stress in a composite material meant that the risk of catastrophic failure was increasing. Each dive was a round of Russian Roulette, and no one at Ocean Gate had the slightest clue how many chambers were in that cylinder. Rush liked to say that regulations were stifling innovation and that he wanted to be remembered as an innovator. A true innovator would have gone through extensive testing, of multiple unmanned prototypes, improving the design (if possible) after each test-to-failure, and developing a truly new and viable technology (or proving that this was a dead end). Instead, he did a single test dive, before taking paying passengers, and told them it was "Safer than air travel. Safer than crossing the street." (a claim that he was borrowing from an industry that he was ignoring at every turn) when the only 'evidence' to back that claim was his own confidence, arrogance, and narcissism. He will be forever remembered as a rich idiot, who cut corners at every opportunity, and committed manslaughter/suicide, when the time came to pay for those cuts.

[@rae_jonas_7]

Spidey I can’t tell you enough how much I love your longform videos. I think, especially with the knowledge that you bring to the table. It is so much more important to have longform videos. In every video that I watch usually after the 7 to 8 minute mark I get pulled into the whole behavioral knowledge system. And all your explanations about the peoples behavior, make so much more sense. Love it, keep it up.

[@itllbesuzanarchy]

This was such an interesting analysis! I've never watched one of these types of videos. Very informative. Thank you for taking the time to discuss this particular interview. I'd never really listened to a James Cameron interview before and was struck by how intelligent and articulate he was when discussing his thoughts. If I hadn't known he was a director, I might have thought he was an engineer.

[@maggiebeth5442]

People have said some awful things about the victims just because it was clearly a questionable way to spend a large amount of money. However, I feel really sorry for the 19-year-old, Suleman Dawood, who took his mother's place on the trip. His brain wasn't even fully formed yet and I'm sure he trusted his parents' guidance. He wasn't even born when the Titanic movie was released and has been largely spoken about in a very warm way by the students that attended university with him here in Scotland. Do your research people and never trust anyone else's judgment, clearly your life can depend upon it.

[@valathor95]

Mocking the dead because of their wealth is disgusting. I can’t believe people on the internet believe that it’s ok.

[@TheMaskedChef7]

@@valathor95Mocking is definitely not the way to go but the criticism is valid and the irony level is high when you pay this amount of cash just to go see a watery grave which is disrespectful by itself to the dead whom are disrespected by making a spectacle of their deaths! It’s not cinema this is where real people died. And they should have respected that or at least been more careful in the vessel they chose to defy nature and god in. Surely everyone should feel bad for the kid he was innocent and as you aptly mentioned didn’t have the capacity to make such a life altering decision it was up to his parents. May the victims rest in peace and may it serve as a lesson for those with large pockets and even larger egos.

[@labotraduc8448]

I recently heard his mother claim that she gave him her spot because 'he really wanted to go'. I'm sure she feels terribly guilty and need some relief from that, but still, I can't understand how parents can take their children along on such dangerous ventures.

[@supertuscans9512]

What’s the difference between visiting the Titanic, visiting a cemetery or visiting the sites of the day the battlefields of the First World War. Particularly the latter because those battlefields are whether many soldiers were simply blown to pieces or buried under tons of soil and debris, because every year, bones, skulls etc are still being ploughed up by farmers.

[@lozunicorn]

​@@TheMaskedChef7other than the financial aspect, what's the difference between trips like this tragic one and trips to ancient battlefields, and even more so to Auschwitz or the area around Ypres where so many of my grandfather's regiment were killed, and many still remain unfound?

[@LoveLeeAsAlways]

3:12 it's at this point my instinct was to grab a pen and start taking notes. I'm nerding out over here Spidey! I think I'm most excited to understand priorities through non verbal communication. On top of that, we are so used to covering individuals who are, by circumstance, trying to be deceptive, misleading, or in damage control. The message is always convoluted with some PR expert opinion. This is so raw and honest.(assuming as I'm just getting started) so excited to see how this goes! Well worth the wait. I'm so happy you are covering this!

[@TheBehavioralArts]

yeah great point! The videos where we're looking for deception might be more controversial but with these honest interviews we have much more clarity and it's a great opportunity to focus on the read. In the real world I use this whole concept of identifying priorities/values/ needs a LOT more than i use lie detection, this stuff applies to almost any interaction you can have in a day.

[@AlashiaTuol]

I think another motive for wearing the branding is that these two are almost certainly feeling the immense pressure of needing to create good PR for the rest of the industry. Before the disaster, a major theme of the warnings given to OceanGate was that if OceanGate screwed up, they could easily negatively affect the entire community of deep sea exploration, because most of that community relies on the good will of the public for grants and funding. If the public, and the governments that supposedly represent them, don't see such expeditions as worth the cost, funding for learning about the deep sea could evaporate. These two are here partially as experts, but also partially as representatives of their scientific community; for the sake of themselves and their coworkers, they need to emphasize that OceanGate is an anomaly and not representative of the safe, good work done by the majority of the field.

[@reginastraus2273]

In Mexico we have this expression: El que sabe, sabe! (Kind of: The guy who knows...knows well) and that is you! Thank you for this analysis, you're the best! God bless the people who died and their families!

[@staceycoates1418]

thank you for covering this. I have been a huge Titanic nut since I was a kid. And I completely agree that James Cameron feels guilt that he didn't speak up earlier. And while I don't think his voice alone (or even added to the people who had spoken up against it already) would have made a difference, that's how he was feeling at the time, especially after several days I thinking on this tragedy but not being able to talk about it, so he only had his thoughts. I will also say that I have a high respect for James Cameron (being from Hollywood) for keeping quiet between the time the loss of communication was announced to when they found the debris and had confirmation of what happened. In at least one of the interviews he gave he said that while he could not imagine another scenario he kept hoping that he would be wrong. And that is going to add to his feeling of guilt. I don't think he has a reason to feel guilty, it wasn't his fault. I think when you have hope you are wrong it makes the guilt bigger when that hope was misplaced.

[@jogrant3851]

He no dubt realises that if he had spoken out, he'd have saved Nargeolet , at least.

[@greendragon4058]

I am super glad that Bob Ballard was interviewed he's personally my hero

[@NicolaMaxwell]

Legal Vices did a great upload on this. It is so tragic but what he says is true there were hundreds passed away in Greece but the world spoke only about 6 billionaire/millionaires. The Titan was an absolutely awful design. It would've been so sudden they wouldn't have known anything was wrong though. So many lives lost at sea 😢❤

[@TheMaskedChef7]

I think the reason this got more attention is due to the fact it’s not everyday a submarine sinks or implodes while going to visit a watery grave, you gotta admit there’s a lot of irony there to pay 500k$ each to go see a watery grave only to lose your life in one of the worst ways possible! Definitely the incident in Greece and others around the world aren’t emphasised enough in the media, but we all know by now that most large media outlets are privately owned platforms whether by government or billionaires who have things to cover up, it’s not based on free speech, they have agendas and their main purpose of those agendas is deflecting and doing what the boss says.

[@maggiebeth5442]

Haven't seen that video but thank you for the recommendation! The ongoing loss of migrant lives is tragic and is quite widely covered in the news here in the UK. I don't think it's right either but I think this case received so much coverage because it was a pivotal event in human history in terms of ongoing deep sea exploration and human irresponsibility.

[@sheep4521]

Apparently there was an alarm that would sound right before imminent implosion. So maybe they had long enough to 💩 themselves before…. 💥

[@80sgirlwhamduran]

Could you link the video you're talking about?

[@nomadscavenger]

​​​​@@TheMaskedChef7 Well, what exactly can be done in Greece? Anywhere else? It's hopeless as it stands. Something very concrete could have been done about that faulty designed sub. And there was plenty of$ to do it. It's only China who's trying to tackle problems of migration in situ, they want to build up a country w/infrastructure, provide jobs, safe shelters, not little H2O purifiers for a village of 20; while volunteer orgs.are still hoping water jugs, clean H20/vaccines, and just feeding porridge to children will do the trick on such a pathetically small scale. China is willing to actually make a difference for the long run in exchange for their natural resources which the country has no way of using themselves at the moment! So many undeveloped countries in the world still, so many people barely surviving and these idiot billionaires want to see a grave yard 12,000+ft down in a wasteland at the bottom of a fridgid ocean while Africa, others stew in overpopulation/poverty. How decadent and ironic is THAT! Tv is trying to make a point, that maybe could be 1of 'em, ya think?

[@lanaladenhauser]

No matter what the topic is, you always have some useful insights and this one is no exeption. As someone mentioned, it's great to learn body language from people who aren't being deceptive, and your little inputs on the details you use to profile someone are very interesting and helpful and I'm sure I'll use them with people I come in contact with without even realizing it. Thanks man!

[@emm8357]

Really illuminating video, thanks for covering it. I realised that I’d subconsciously formed my opinions on Bob Ballard from the things you highlighted (lack of ego, referring to “we” and “right Jim?”) He came across to me as very knowledgeable yet humble and I hadn’t realised how much my opinion was influenced by his sharing of the spotlight in particular. It made me respect him even more.

[@TheBehavioralArts]

Yeah agreed. He has a very calm way about him and it projects such humility.

[@emm8357]

@@TheBehavioralArts that’s the word I was looking for, humility! Btw, I love the fact you engage with comments here. It’s rare for someone who has so many subscribers to be so active in building a community like you are!

[@TheBehavioralArts]

@@emm8357 🤗

[@brianmurphy8811]

I don't know whether Cameron knew or not, but it's pretty clear from the responses from people in that industry, people who might ridden on it, had planned to ride on it etc... there were known severe issues with that operation and sorta like Harvey Weinstein, nobody said anything...at least, not loudly enough. That's my take anyway.

[@bombadilloB]

It seems like they said a lot!! They were just ignored/fired/circumvented. The company actively avoided all certifications and legal requirements and ignored blatant warnings given by employees and field experts. They tried to sue one the the engineers who came forward. This was blatant and egregious not some accident. They all knew this would happen and the psycho CEO wouldn’t listen and couldn’t be made to.

[@TheMaskedChef7]

@@bombadilloB Exactly and it was all easily preventable if egos and greed weren’t part of the equation!

[@leannejordan4326]

Rush thrived on breaking rules, he reveled in it. Cameron's disapproval would have just been fuel to the fire.

[@tuunaes]

@@bombadilloB If OceanGate were airline, by now FBI would have propably raided its offices and confiscated all computers and documents (along with those of Rush) for criminal investigation. Amount of disregard for basics of safety, all the warnings and continuous problems was such.

[@RominaJones]

Everybody was warning him, and some he threatened with lawsuits over their criticisms. He said in an interview he would not hire “ old white men” as that was not “inspirational.” I think in truth it was because senior engineers called him out. He wanted to hire a young impressionable crew who would fall in line under the cult of personality and not challenge him.

[@Mamacat1357]

When you were speaking about audio, visual, and kinetic, you mentioned James' directing. Got me thinking about how much visual and directing might go hand in hand.

[@bartolomeestebanmurillo4459]

Cameron having designed his own sub, theorized that's what initially happened and unfortunately, it did. The fact of the matter is, Cameron, couldn't have stopped Rush because many industry experts warned Rush that he was playing Russian roulette with his safety and those of his clients.

[@tuunaes]

Actually would have been likely far better if he had gone for the Russians. Mir submersibles might well have done like hundred dives to Titanic.

[@CarolReidCA]

Hi, The "pleading gesture" is far likely more a "please don't build another submersible like this and go to these depths." Both Bob Ballard & James Cameron are acomplished divers & deep sea divers with more experience than anyone. Anyone with any experience in working underwater knew, or became known, that there were problems with the Titan submersible design and the sales culture at OceanGate. I hope others learn from this incident. If you are interested in exploring anything, learn how to do so a safely as possible, don't ignore others concerns - address them. Many people brought up serious concerns years ahead of this incident. It's very sad for those aboard, at least 3 of which should've know there were serious issues. Don't ever do risky things to impress others. Do them out of necessity, or because you have a passion for them.

[@cl5470]

Disagree. I think he is pleading with the public not to dismiss all deep sea dives because of this one avoidable tragedy.

[@bionda470]

I was listening to James Cameron as a guest of the "Smartless" podcast...your analysis on him as a visual thinker is soooo on point! he literaly says " I see the movie in my head, and it's done...it's just the matter of putting it on screen" and that he finds ideas viusually in his dreams. That he "saw" the half man half machine terminator in a dream as well as the forest in avatar....

[@ml8067]

First time in forever, I get to watch the video right when it drops!

[@cityvibegirl]

Same!

[@RockinTheBassGuitar]

There are so many stories about how Rush ignored all criticism. The evidence that the submersible was not safe was so overwhelming that it make some wonder if Rush wanted to die down there.

[@roybatty-]

I don't think Cameron knew it would implode. He knew it was not safe and had a higher probability of imploding.

[@gutenbird]

He knew it wasn’t safe because there was a high likelihood of it imploding. Of course he can’t know for certain it was going to implode but he knew enough to know this idiot Rush was bound to kill someone.

[@Nonsense010688]

Well there are only so many things that could happen. And the lost of both tracking and communication at the same time, Plus he appearently knew about a loud Sound at the same Moment.

[@theftking]

2:34 "There's a vas deferens...."

[@wistad]

Another highly informative and non-biased analysis. Thanks, so much. I learn something new and interesting every time!

[@kaciewatersmusic]

I've been watching this channel for a while and I never thought I'd see you do a video about something so close to me. My dad is a sub pilot at Nautilus and WHOI. He works very closely with Bob Ballard. Everyone in the community knew what had happened right away, but couldn't speak up about it. The whole situation is very upsetting.

[@apricotcookie4850]

This is one of your best, Spidey. Jam-packed with perceptive, useful information. Your insights are fascinating and spot on. You are always appropriate and objective in sharing your own conclusions. You and this website are treasures. Thank you!

[@dilafng]

Spidey, thank you for giving your insights on so many different types of interactions, from difficult interviews to emotional musical duets. I always learn so much. You’re amazingly perceptive, thoughtful, kindhearted, and SO appreciated for sharing your knowledge with the world. The way you are able to read people is an incredible skill, and I love hearing how you are able to see and interpret those around you.

[@niranjanmurthy126]

Wat amazing ! Give me 3 points 😂

[@marywilliams5712]

Yea i think James will make a movie about this sometime or another. I think he’ll show the irony of how the Titanic crew with Captain Smith at the helm put all those people on a course to their deaths and ignored any warnings about the ice berg field he was approaching. Much like Stockton who knew sometime his vessel would fail and people would die, he didn’t care. Sad but true in both cases.

[@gutenbird]

Yeah, that’s going to be a pretty quick love story.

[@LatajaceStadoKotow]

He already did titanic and it's basically about the same sins but less comically exaggerated than the reality was in this case

[@neilonicko1]

One way this could have been avoided is to leave the Titanic alone..Us humans have no business going that far under water..

[@-phantom.7746]

You can't blame this on Cameron. Ocean gate is responsible for it's own mistakes.

[@Dazzlin826]

I think the killer is the fact that everyone sees and knows that this was avoidable. I still can't wrap it around my head as to why though we would take such a chance under water. Just seeing waves crashing shows me how powerful the ocean is, I wouldn't dare meet it unprepared 😩

[@kbonvie]

JC was also fairly close with PH the French explorer on the Oceangate sub perished.

[@bombadilloB]

It is a small community and Nargeolet was a large figure in it. I don’t know how Rush convinced him to go since he would know better. But I believe it was only to be used as a marketing ploy for future dives and to poo poo all of the experts telling them to stop. If Mr Titanic went how could there be issues?… They pulled the same already with dishonesty saying Boeing and NASA helped build it when they did NOT.

[@lwbatts]

One of your best Spidey! Thanks for showing us how you use, as a mentalist, the gesturing of James Cameron, to understand what it might mean going forward.

[@TheBehavioralArts]

My pleasure! Just don’t tell my audience members 😂

[@leell9076]

This was incredible insight on a difficult subject. I think I struggle to understand Stockton Rush was he a man passionate about a dream that let his limitations blind him, was he grandiose or did he really believe he had surpassed the experts in their research. I know this had to be hard for James Cameron he was invited onto the Titan but declined. As a man who takes his research seriously whether land or sea for his movies this had to be hard & to know lives were lost due to negligence. As for Ballard he has so much knowledge of the Titanic & has a deep respect for it, it had to be hard to not say deep inside things they were both feeling regarding this tragedy.

[@BrodieTV]

You my man are the KING of creating videos I didn’t know I needed, that’s pure creativity and passion. LOVE YOU BRO, KEEP IT UP 🔥👍

[@TheBehavioralArts]

Thanks man! Always appreciate the support 🤗

[@JamieMcgee518]

I think they are trying to protect / save the reputation of thier industry. The gesture says " He was way out there on the fringe ".

[@jextar]

Everyone knew, even Stockton Rush. He was just in denial

[@kaytirose]

Thank you Spidey! Great episode. I love learning from you and really appreciate you sharing your knowledge.

[@toserveman9265]

Ballard got a contract with Navy to search for sunken Soviet sub, used Titanic as an excuse, ending up finding Titanic on a fluke...

[@spnfam-ily]

I feel like Stockton Rush wanted it so badly that he ignored all red flags. It's kind of like how the majority of us are doing with AI...

[@littlepixy2]

I work at ABS and yes... literally everyone in the industry knew it would implode and warned them not to launch it

[@veritylove212]

I really enjoyed your analysis, very interesting, as usual. On a completely other note, certification should NOT be needed when one has integrity. I've seen licensed home builders who have a lack of moral compass and their houses are junk. I feel James sub, though not certified, was top notch.

[@GracefulAnswers]

Spidey- you’re so go at taking this to the public level, explaining things in a way everyone understands. Well done!

[@TheBehavioralArts]

Thanks so much 😊 glad you enjoyed it

[@Cklasvegas]

This video was one of your best - SO SO GOOD!!!

[@TheBehavioralArts]

Thanks 🤗

[@lilydrew800]

A terrible, horrific situation and loss. I'm sorry for the pain and suffering of everyone. This is so interesting, the reasons behind our gestures, expressions.

[@theaverageDon]

17:52 would make sense since Stockton Rush was warned that he would be putting their industry at risk. By this incident occurring, and pending regulations, that could very well happen

[@RockandRollWoman]

The hands demonstrating the time line ... fascinating. ..

[@VS-fo9py]

Fascinating. Excellent explanation of body language

[@nutanlohiya]

Superb read on the people, the situation. The body language element was on point as always, the breakup analysis of Mr Cameron's face, top half and bottom half 👏 The NLP aspects,the way you understood the people and explained it so neatly made this an excellent video 👍 👍

[@LadyHarlowe]

BTW - I don’t recall seeing the lightbulb behind you move around like that in other videos. But I could have missed it. Is that normal or do you have something paranormal going on? Lol.

[@ginger7044]

😳

[@Valen_Wolf]

I believe the bulb is floating.. magnetically.

[@suzybabyyeah]

Air conditioning? Ceiling fan?

[@Inflatableorc]

Seems like an incredible honest perspective being given in the interview. Just listening to the interview without your breadth of knowledge, it feels very genuine from both speakers. Thank you for breaking it down sir.

[@cielomcmeekin7296]

Hope Cameron doesn't feel guilty about not telling Rush, everyone told Rush n he didn't care

[@julietspalding2339]

You haven’t popped up on my feed since the Johnny depp trial!! Happy to see you again still creating such high quality videos.

[@IamRealDante]

First time I saw you, I thought Mark Ruffalo. Now i think Vincent D'Onofrio :D Interrogation and stuff :D

[@1stfeather]

Det. Bobbi Goren ❤

[@iGEAUXHARD]

The Australian engineer who built James Cameron's submersible said "Cameron was obsessive about every detail and would debate for hours as to whether a titanium washer was better than a stainless steel one." That is the kind of attention to detail and seriousness required for such a dangerous venture. Now ask yourself What's worse, Losing your life for $250,000 or Throwing your life away for $250,000?

[@LadyHarlowe]

Great distinction between baseline and idiosyncratic behaviors!

[@TheMaskedChef7]

I learn so much from spidey it actually feels like a real privilege ❤

[@LadyHarlowe]

@@TheMaskedChef7 Indeed, it is.

[@matrix-teknologies]

that mouth shrug means: 1 what can i say beside the obvious 2. what can we say after we warned him 3. what do you want to hear? they died fast 4. why should we care at this point when he disregarded everything 5 are we suppose to feel petty that they died 6 the guy was an asinine that disregarded safety 7. death is part of life , but they did not have to die like that

[@Every_Day_islike_Sunday]

Great video Spidey! Re: ideosynchratic behavior, if we know a person always does this behavior, do we disregard it when analyzing that person in a particular moment? Thank you!

[@TheBehavioralArts]

Yep exactly. Take adapters for example, James Cameron randomly started using adapters towards the end of the interview, I’m really interested in why that’s happening suddenly. But if we’re dealing with someone who uses adapters in all conversations, all the time, it wouldn’t be that noteworthy at all. 😊

[@Every_Day_islike_Sunday]

@@TheBehavioralArts thank you!

[@skully6223]

I’m interested in knowing how anxiety, extreme or otherwise, is recognized over being dishonest when discussing a situation. For instance, I have terrible anxiety & nervous habits--how likely would it be for the general public to realize & acknowledge the distinction? What if my anxiety issues suggest I’m being completely dishonest when I’m actually being very truthful? Just interested in knowing how one would see the difference-especially where law enforcement is concerned! Also, I can’t comprehend why they don’t use behavioral analysts within law enforcement? It almost seems that behavioral analysts could determine quicker & more efficiently whether a person was being dishonest or not rather than a group of random people the court has deemed “ok” to sit as jurors.

[@Every_Day_islike_Sunday]

@@skully6223 i think you may have answered your own question. People with anxiety (like myself) DO make gestures that may be misinterpreted. That's maybe why behavioral analysis cannot be used in court. Although i think it does reveal much about a person. Anxious or not. It's quite revealing.

[@TheBehavioralArts]

@@skully6223 hey there. Behavioral analysis is absolutely used by law enforcement in interrogation rooms. The FBI, CIA and PDs study behavior for more effective interrogation. As for your anxiety. Remember what I said in the video, change is more important than stagnant behaviors. Baseline and idiosyncratic behaviors are very important because no two people are the same. So we’d be looking for change from your own baseline behaviors .

[@katfromthekong414]

Fun take on body language analysis! This was super interesting!

[@angelachristian87]

I have a silly question… is a visual thinker the same as a visual learner? I wanted to google what kind of thinker I am vs my husband but all that comes up is learners!

[@electronblue8334]

I feel like Cameron is also using the distancing gesture so much because he doesn't want this tragedy to impact his own company/his own plans. He's emphasising the distance between OceanGate and himself because he needs people to keep trusting him.

[@CopperValor]

Wow I saw this 2 minutes after upload and you already had 28 likes 😱

[@angiehung]

I loved this video so much. I've watched your channel for over a year, but I love seeing you profile someone I'm more familiar with (James Cameron) and you fricking nailed it. Thank you for all the behavioral education & insights you keep on providing us.

[@Lmapmpmfa]

When you talk about visual people and how they gesture to indicate past and cuter across timelines, you hit for a millisecond on left and right, and even move your own hands left for fpast and right for future to display a timeline. These are this is the direction many cultures read-left to right. Left is the past once you’ve read it and right is the future. Could this be an indicator of what culture the individual is from as not all cultures read left to right. I haven’t paid attention to timeline gestures much before, but I have paid attention to the meanings hand gestures across various cultures. Dio different cultures gesture in different directions to indicate timelines based on the direction they read?

[@TheBehavioralArts]

wow interesting thought. I've interviewed many individuals from arabic backgrounds but they were all educated in french or english so wouldn't have the habit of reading right to left. I personally haven't seen anyone gesture on a timeline moving right to left, but it would be fascinating to observe a whole bunch of people who read right to left to see if there's a pattern

[@lubnaal-kudwah8567]

​@@TheBehavioralArts I'm in Arab and watching this while in bed and have been for the past ten minutes gesturing time with my hands in the dark trying to see if cultural/different reading directions actually has an influence.. i can confirm that consciously thinking about it made all scenarios possible haha (though leaning more towards left as past and right as present).. i am so confused yet so determined now to know if it actually makes a difference. My native language is Arabic but I've learned English pretty early on in my life. Wonder if that counts as well. I shall get back to you fellas with my mini observational study that I'll do on my family and friends 😅

[@Lmapmpmfa]

@lubnaal-kudwah8567 I’m interested to see your results!

[@TheBehavioralArts]

@@lubnaal-kudwah8567 haha love this. My guess is it will still be left to right but maybe I’m just so heavily biased culturally.

[@danielschmaderer]

Awesome video as always and a great way to see a bit more past the interview of such a tragic event.

[@sallys9632]

I feel bad for the mother/wife of the father/son duo, but that interview she gave didn't sit well with my "spidey" senses. I know it wouldn't be appropriate to analyze it, at least not this soon, but did anything feel off to you too? The story about her son taking her place had too many clusters but she was also grieving so hard for me to tell.

[@perrysaker-ee1gq]

I don't believe any of it is real, all the fake

[@edwardkauth5625]

When the three judges on the panel of your trial are named GUMP, DARWIN, and MURPHY

[@Orrajt]

Would it be possible to make a content about O.J. Simpson?

[@NicolaMaxwell]

The behaviour panel did a good one on him.🙏

[@Orrajt]

​@@NicolaMaxwell: Thanks. I'll try to find it.

[@NicolaMaxwell]

@@Orrajt it's on the behavioral panel channel you'll find it easily. Enjoy!