Did Jesus Preexist - Literally? (Preexistence 101 - #1 of 5) - by J. Dan Gill

This is the 1st of an excellent 5-part series on Preexistence from a One God point of view. Did Christ preexist? Do human beings preexist? J. Dan Gill tells us that true human beings do not preexist themselves. If Jesus was a true man, he did not preexist in a literal sense.
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[@acts2583]

This makes more sense to me than anything I have ever heard. If you listen to his other teachings on preexistence he answers all of the scriptures and questions that I had about this subject. I am thankful for this understanding.

[@tinac5468]

I have just became a follower of yours because it is so hard to find someone that preaches who Jesus really is the son of God. Not God himself. Thank you

[@luguetm4864]

@Sage of Synergism in 2 Peter 1:1 other translations rendering are " of God and [of] our Saviour Jesus Christ". Notice this : Peter never considered God and Jesus being the one person. The very next verse demonstrates this " 2 Peter 1: 2 Grace and peace be yours in abundance through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord. In 1 Peter 1: 3 "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ...". Yes, Jesus has a God who is his Father. This comes to John 20:28. Before Thomas said those words, Jesus said before in the same chapter this John 20 : 17 "...I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God." Jesus has for God, his Father who is also our God and Father. He still has a God even now. We see it Revelation which God HAS GIVEN to Jesus ( See Revelation 1: 1). In Revelation 3:12 Jesus has said "my God" 4 times. So In John 20 : 28 the explanation for Thomas' words could be twofold: 1) "my Lord and my God" was an exclamation for what he saw : a man who died was alive before him. This exclamation is like we say " Wow". In this case this exclamation is a sudden act of recognition of the power of God who did rise up Jesus Christ from death. 2) " my Lord and My God" if directed to Jesus, It's not making Jesus the God Almighty since Jesus being "the God" cannot have a God as he (Jesus) testified himself that he has a God. But rather by saying "my Lord and my god" Thomas would have been seeing Jesus as a lord and "a god" in the sense of a person having a high authority and dignity. It was common in the Bible where some persons were called gods in this sense. Moses was a god in front of Pharaoh Exodus 7: 1. A celebration to a king of Israel (most probably David) called him "god" in Psalms 45: 7. This verse was reprised in Hebrews 1: 8 for Jesus who also is the King of Israel, a descendant of David. Sons of God (including angels) and people who have the word of God to administer are called gods in Psalms 82 : 1& 6. So we see that thoses "gods" were only called gods as a title of authority and/or dignity. But they have God as the only true one as it is testified again by Jesus himself in John 17 : 3. The Father IS the Only True God. And the Father is greater than Jesus (John 14 : 28 , 1Corinthiens 11 : 3).

[@luguetm4864]

@Sage of Synergism @Sage of Synergism @Sage of Synergism I maintain that in this scriptures we should read " of God and of our lordJesus" I know about the Granville Sharp's rule. This rule has proven been not a absolute rule since there are verses that this rule falls. In Ephesians 2:20 for example it it write " (You have been)... built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets" this reading doesn't identify apostles and prophets. They are 2 categories of services. 2 Peter 2: 11 is not the point since Lord and Saviour are always applied for Jesus. But in 2 Peter 1:1 the contex on with verse 2 ( we have to associate this verse also don't throw it away while reading) it's to be understood that we have the righteousness of God and our Lord Jesus Christ in the same way we have been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets. That means our righteousness is of God and of Jesus. Then verse 2 gives grace and peace to the knowledge of God AND of Jesus our lord. In John 20 : 28 I said there are 2 ways to understand this verse . Exclamation like we said " OMG" or "WoW" is one way. We weren't in the time of Jew to know if they use this exclamation or not. But I put stress on the astonishment and surprise that would raised inconciously from Thomas to say "my Lord and my God an God". BUT this one point. The other way is to understand that calling Jesus God as God Almighty is no sense as Jesus declared that HE HAS A GOD in verse 17. The Same God he has is the same Go we have. Moses was God to pharaoh there is no matter to discuss about that since it's scriptures that's called Somme people gods but they are not God. Psalms 82: 1 and God say to in verse 6 " I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. Jesus again uses this verse of Psalms 82:6 when he was accused to making himself equal to God in John 10 : 33. It always unbelievable that you Trinitarians or whatever can understand the response of Jesus. John 10 : 34 " Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified (God cannot be sanctified he is HOLY), and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?. Jesus put himself in this categories of people called gods but more accurately the Son of God he certified. The only true God and the only son of Abraham is not a good analogy. There is a reason why Isaac is called a unique son of Abraham as he is the only son of Abraham AND Sarah the legitimate wife of Abraham. If we go with this analogy you have failed to understand that Isaac was the one who was the heir of Abraham and so considered as the legitimate son and superior among his other father's children. We came to the conclusion that the Father being "view" as the only true God in the same way Isaac was considered as the only son of Abraham , God the Father is then higher and superior donno equality with 'the others members" other trinity. But God is one (not 3) and there no God beside him , He said on Isaiah 45: 5 Jesus and Paul confirmed this And this God is the Father. (John 17:3 ,1Corinthians 8 : 6) John 17:3 should be understood as it is written. Other wise any kind of analogy or tentative to justify the terme "only true God" leads to contradiction and error. Jesus is a man. God cannot be a man. Hosea 11 : 9" ....for I am God, and not man; the Holy One..." Saying Jesus is both man and God is a direct contradiction. In 1Timoty 2 : 5 'For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. " One thing to be clear here, being mediator means there is in one end men and in the other end God and the mediator in the middle. Notice this in Galatians 3 : 3 "Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one". This verse by itself closes the debate. If Jesus is God, he cannot be a mediator. BUT he is a mediator that the truth of the Bible not a tricky or forgery trinity full of contradiction and no one teaches it in the entire Bible. In Revelation 5 : 9 Jesus is receiving a new song " ...for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation." There no kind of divinity here since. In Psalms 45 I told you it was written not for Yahweh but for a King. Read all verses. V2 he is fairer than all the children of man ( God is not a man) and is blessed by God forever. V7 "therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows." (Here we see the king call god but his God anointed him and) V9-10 He has wives and the Queen sat int the right hand of him. This Psalms is also prophetic I admit. But in the Bible many events or words spoken to others persons in the OT are sometimes related or applied to the life of Christ. 1 Corinthians 15: 24: You should not cited this verses as it the evidence that Jesus is not Got. But you turned this verses to be understood in a way that I found your explanation no sense. " God is given" is not the text the would be as "(Jesus) will given back" the kingdom to God the Father because it's God who first gave to Jesus this kingdom on the earth. Read verses that follow. 1 Corinthians, 15:27 : For he (God)hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted which did put all things under him. Jesus is above all excepted the One who put all things under his feet since he went to heaven. The Tex says it is MANIFESTE that God is excepted which did put all things under him. God is the Head of Christ 1Corothians 11:3. He is greater than Christ John 14:28. Hebrew 1:10 as I said before some Tex applied to someone else can be applied to Jesus. The fact is that in Hebrews the author cites vers from OT that is applied to Jesus BUT takes Infor that is important the world created by the Messiah is the world to come God created this word Jesus will created or reorganize the word to come. Hebrews 2: 5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. God did not put under angels the word to come but under Jesus so there will be a time where Jesus after overcoming the dead will be subjected to the only God.

[@SRBLIS3416]

Jesus is not God that we understand Jesus Representing God He is the image of God and the Brightness of God's Glory Hebrews 1:3

[@matthewford4050]

Let's examine some scriptures this man Appears to have ignored. Isaiah 9:6 KJV - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. The prophet refers to Jesus as the Mighty God. Everlasting Father. 1 Timothy 3:16 KJV - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. John 1:1 KJV - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Notice the following scripture states that Jesus was in the likeness of sinful flesh. Romans 8:3 KJV - For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Now, when God made a covenant with Abraham, what part did Abraham have in it? The answer is none. He was asleep. The two parties that made the covenant were who? When Joshua worshipped the man, who was it? He needed to remove his shoes for it was holy ground. Jesus says of himself, he is the beginning and the end. Notice what YHWH states Isaiah 44:6 KJV - Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Isaiah 43:11 KJV - I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. And Jeremiah states Jeremiah 23:6 KJV - In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE YHWH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. I almost forgot colossians Colossians 1:16-17 KJV - For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. As you can see Jesus existed before he was "the man" as the eternal Son. He is the image of the invisible. He could not create if he did not preexist. Do you believe the prophets and apostles? Or do you believe this man teaching?

[@matthewford4050]

@Sage of Synergism This is painful to listen to. This teacher is a deceiver. Let's examine some scriptures this man Appears to have ignored. Isaiah 9:6 KJV - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. The prophet refers to Jesus as the Mighty God. Everlasting Father. 1 Timothy 3:16 KJV - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. John 1:1 KJV - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Notice the following scripture states that Jesus was in the likeness of sinful flesh. Romans 8:3 KJV - For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Now, when God made a covenant with Abraham, what part did Abraham have in it? The answer is none. He was asleep. The two parties that made the covenant were who? When Joshua worshipped the man, who was it? He needed to remove his shoes for it was holy ground. Jesus says of himself, he is the beginning and the end. Notice what YHWH states Isaiah 44:6 KJV - Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Isaiah 43:11 KJV - I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. And Jeremiah states Jeremiah 23:6 KJV - In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE YHWH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. I almost forgot colossians Colossians 1:16-17 KJV - For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. As you can see Jesus existed before he was "the man" as the eternal Son. He is the image of the invisible. He could not create if he did not preexist. I will state it again, this man teaching is a false teacher and a deceiver. This KZbin channel is propagating lies and deceiving people.

[@lonnierandall7882]

Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

[@incorruptibleword4513]

Yes his glory was intended from everlasting with God the father. All of creation is for the sake of the son of God.

[@MarvelNot]

This verse doesn't mean Jesus preexisted. It's a figure of speech. Jesus was foreknown by God (1 Pet. 1:20). Proof-texting can be very manipulative. That's where false teachings like the trinity come from. Context is key.

[@lonnierandall7882]

@@MarvelNot Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. Heb 1:1 ¶ God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Re 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. Re 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. Re 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

[@daviddrew3372]

1Peter 20 and 21 . Context is key. Foreknown by whom before we were created through him? Made manifest ( visible and tangible) to whom Later? Yes , as with so many scriptures people can take things all sorts of ways . While the previous scripture gives evidence and not proof . The same is true of 1Peter :20. What truly matters: 1. For any scripture to be valid all must be without contradiction ( which is possible) without editorializing. Let God be found true. 2. If we accept Jesus at his word ( without editorializing) Jesus is The ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of God. Who set a pattern of humility for us to follow not considering equality with God as something to be grasped for but rather humbling himself taking even a slaves form in order to accomplish the will of ( not himself alone ) his Father. If we do what God himself says to do : “ This is My Son whom I have approved , listen to him”. And be obedient to what Jesus did to do, pray to whom Jesus prayed, worship whom Jesus worshiped. Can we go wrong even if we fail to completely comprehend Jesus at this time into the smoke of Satan? What we know to be true is the answer that Peter gave when asked “ who do you say that I am?” That is enough for me.

[@daviddrew3372]

and νῦν now δόξασόν glorify με me σύ, you, πάτερ, Father, παρὰ beside σεαυτῷ to yourself τῇ to the δόξῃ glory ᾗ which εἶχον I was having πρὸ before τοῦ of the τὸν the κόσμον world εἶναι to be παρὰ beside σοί. you. Literally “ beside” “ at your side” “alongside “ . Not “ In” or “ within” . This is strong evidence that Jesus both pre existed as the beginning of Gods creation, and additionally stands apart from God personally even in that preexisting. I find it best to Just believe Jesus.

[@jonathaneidering5401]

Joh 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.

[@bardowesselius4121]

Only in context with John 17:3. One God and one mediator between God and humanity, the glorified risen human being Jesus. The first of the new humanity.

[@grayman7208]

"preexistence" is before all of creation ... not just planet earth.

[@Thedisciplemike]

That word 'existed' that is used in translations is misleading. It is nowhere to be found in the original Greek. It simply says, 'with the glory that I was having alongside you before the world.' There are two possibilities for explanation that seam to make the most sense to me; neither of them lead to a trinity or pre-existence of Jesus. 1.) 'before the world' or 'in front of the world'; the word 'before' meaning 'in front of', as you would 'place your gift before the altar'. 2.) Jesus' received his glory only after he was raised up from the dead. His glory was never there before Jesus was sent into the world of men. So this statement is obviously referring to the prophesied resurrection of Jesus into God's throne in Heaven.

[@jonathaneidering5401]

@@Thedisciplemike the word einai simply means "was", so a litteral translation would be "before the world was" which is why translators choose "existed". If you are unitarian, i think you would find these 10 questions for unitarians pdf interesting, let me know what you think: 4windsfellowships.net/articles/God/Questions_for_Unitarians.pdf

[@jonathaneidering5401]

@@Thedisciplemike your suggestions make little sense: when did Jesus have the same glory as the father "in front of the world"? Hebrews says he was lower than the angels during his period on earth, so it could not have been during this time, still he uses "had" pointing back in time. 2 i don't think your are making justice of the text, Jesus says this before he was resurrected pointing BACK to a previous time where he had glory much greater than his present glory. If he didn't pre-exist, he must have had this glory sometime from his conception up until before he said this, which is absurd to claim.

[@neweyz3396]

Sharon L. From Canada , Windsor , Ontario : Amen Pastor Dan !! God Bless !!

[@faithfultheology]

👍

[@jonathaneidering5401]

Joh 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

[@bardowesselius4121]

'Before' in context means position and authority. Although he was already in the mind and plan of God long before Abraham existed.. More important in God's plan and purpose. He is greater than Abraham, which infuriated the religious leaders of that day. The same mindset is seen in churchianity today. They will not recognize their messiah when He manifests himself.

[@priscillajervey6134]

What about Abraham being in the mind of God (as Dan explained) do you not grasp?? Have you been so brain-washed that you will never see the true light of day??

[@shanederry2691]

Incorrect translation!! Young's Literal Translation Jesus said to them, 'Verily, verily, I say to you, Before Abraham's coming -- I am;' It's a future event, not a past one. Jesus was saying that he will be resurrected before Abraham!!

[@luguetm4864]

Missing to read full context leads to misunderstanding. "Before Abraham was, I am" IS NOT a response to the name of Jesus himself (Jesus IS his name not I am) BUT a response to what he was in terms of God's plan. He was and is and will be the promised Messiah (= anointed ,God is not anointed by someone else, He is the one who anoints). He was slain BEFORE the foundation of the world but manifested or come to reality in the last time said the Bible, that's before any human even Abraham. That the context.

[@michaelwall4022]

Regardless of what else you believe at least do not assume from this quote that Yeshua is claiming to be God. When Yah told Moses to tell the children of Israel that "I am" sent him it was in Hebrew and was a specific word where in this quote the "I am" is in Greek and is not the same word or claim at all.

[@FixtIt]

I just bought one of your books. Really enjoying your sermon.

[@yhwhsgrace]

Very Good!!!!!!

[@berniepenner6204]

at 18:31, we were in "plans of God", John would write about this the first chapter of his gospel. It was GOD and His logos. In the "plans" of God lived the foreordination of all things. We were chosen BY plan. Fast forward then to John 1:18. The "concepts" of GOD were made flesh.

[@osmrgbrieeel]

im interestedto listen more about your doctrine sir

[@Glory-to-GOD89]

❤ very good

[@wilhelmlorenz5852]

It has always been pretty Clear to me that The Father of JESUS CHRIST is GOD 🙏😇🙏 The Father... JESUS prayed to The FATHER as he was Walking The 🌎🌍 Earth...I don't believe that Jesus Was Talking to Himself,,or what do you think 🤔🌹🤗🌹...God 🙏😇🙏 Bless you ALL in JESUS 🙏 HOLY NAME 🙏📛 AMEN...

[@osmrgbrieeel]

do you have church in the phillipines sir

[@davidmoorman7062]

I'm surprised at notion of preexistence whether conceptual or otherwise. Using John 1:1-4, 17:3-5, and 1 Corinthians 8:6 & 11:3 would have made such conjecture unnecessary.

[@glennhudson4827]

Obviously you can’t be a studied Christian. If Jesus did not pre-exist than explain Hebrews 14 was God talking to himself?

[@davidmoorman7062]

@@glennhudson4827 Obviously I must be doing something wrong! I've searched and searched for Hebrews 14 and sadly my Bible only has 13 chapters for Hebrews. Study much?

[@ShellbieB]

1 Peter 1:10-11 KJV [10] Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: [11] Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

[@pawlygon929]

“For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭8‬:‭3‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

[@humbertothebeliever2443]

It's mind boggling that teachers and pastors with theology and divinity degrees, lack knowledge of Jesus preexisting as a spirit being b4 the incarnation. Jesus is Jehovahs first creation and everything else was created through him and for him. "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.".Colossians 1:15 "For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things were created through him and for him."..Colossians 1:16

[@follow_the_way]

Jesus is God. Praise the triune God of the bible.

[@humbertothebeliever2443]

@@follow_the_way ..Jesus said he was the Son of God and under his submission (1Corinthians 15:27). Jesus called the Father, our Father the One and Only true God (John 17:3). Jesus NEVER talked, explained nor debated the Trinity doctrine. Think about it. If our salvation and true identity as Christians depended on believing the Trinity, Jesus would have made it clear, also the Apostles, but they never did. Jesus knows there is One and Only true God and he and the Pharasees and Scribes ALL believed in the Shema. The false doctrine of the Trinity started in ancient Babylon. Babylon means Mystery. The Trinity is not just a Babylon (mystery), but a Great mystery. In other words, the Trinity is Babylon the Great, part of the world's False religious system set up by Satan. and is causing havoc in many churches.

[@follow_the_way]

@@humbertothebeliever2443 Many incorrect things stated by you here.

[@follow_the_way]

@@humbertothebeliever2443 How does Jesus submitting to the Father mean He is not God also?

[@humbertothebeliever2443]

@@follow_the_way ...Be specific. Where in scripture Jesus taught and instructed us to believe in the Trinity, something so vital to our salvation?

[@sisterbecky411]

We as man we didn’t exist before our concepcion however Jesus did preexist as a spirit that was brought forth ( begat) of God before the world was or before anything that exists was!! ( Gen. 1:3,26; Jn.1:31Cor.8:6; Col.1:15-17; Heb.1:2; Rev.3:14) Jesus said that he shared his Father’s Glory before the world was and I believe him🙌

[@carlosmontes5893]

Micah 5. vs2

[@willrussell8441]

Keep up the good work-

[@glennhudson4827]

What work. Total misinterpretation of scripture out of context. That is why he spent the majority of his time talking about did man pre-exist. No one ever said man did. Itchy ears take in any strange doctrine.

[@chriscuomo9334]

Did God foreknow that one day you would be born? Yes. Then, in that sense, before Abraham was, you were.

[@twoadventuroussisters8522]

I am a Yahudi who accept Yahshua Mashiach as my Saviour whatever this Christian Man is teaching is absolutely acceptable to me as it’s in full harmony with the whole scriptures Genesis-Revelation. Thank you Dan Gill for allowing the Shikhina of Yahweh to shine through you to others May Yahweh bless you.

[@theguyver4934]

@Sage of Synergism - Research sir isaac Newton's testimony and abrahamic faith, prove your faith and other biblical unitarian channels

[@matthewford4050]

Let's examine some scriptures this man Appears to have ignored. Isaiah 9:6 KJV - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. The prophet refers to Jesus as the Mighty God. Everlasting Father. 1 Timothy 3:16 KJV - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. John 1:1 KJV - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Notice the following scripture states that Jesus was in the likeness of sinful flesh. Romans 8:3 KJV - For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Now, when God made a covenant with Abraham, what part did Abraham have in it? The answer is none. He was asleep. The two parties that made the covenant were who? When Joshua worshipped the man, who was it? He needed to remove his shoes for it was holy ground. Jesus says of himself, he is the beginning and the end. Notice what YHWH states Isaiah 44:6 KJV - Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Isaiah 43:11 KJV - I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. And Jeremiah states Jeremiah 23:6 KJV - In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE YHWH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. I almost forgot colossians Colossians 1:16-17 KJV - For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. As you can see Jesus existed before he was "the man" as the eternal Son. He is the image of the invisible. He could not create if he did not preexist. Do you believe the prophets? Or this man?

[@theguyver4934]

@Sage of Synergism - I've seen them and there all good people but unfortunately they are idolatrous but think about it to say that jesus is god you will also have to believe that the one mary carried for all those months in her womb was the almighty now no one in his/her right mind would believe that

[@theguyver4934]

@@matthewford4050 - Research sir anthony buzzard and sean finnegan on the history of the trinity

[@theguyver4934]

@@matthewford4050 - First of all the prophet's never believed that God is triune

[@mydailyvlogs777]

If he was truly one of us! Why wasn't he conceived as each of us! Was he created by God just as The Father Created Adam?

[@breambo3835]

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

[@mattgardiner614]

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god." In the original-language text, the two occurrences of “God” (Greek, the·osʹ) at John 1:1 are grammatically different. In the first occurrence, the word “God” is preceded by the Greek definite article, while the article does not appear before the second occurrence. Many scholars note that the absence of the definite article before the second the·osʹ is significant. For example, The Translator’s New Testament says regarding this absence of the article: “In effect it gives an adjectival quality to the second use of Theos (God) so that the phrase means ‘The Word was divine.’” The fact that 1st Century Greek did not have an indefinite article ("a" or "an") gave translators an opportunity to render it in such a way that it reinforced their pre-conceived doctrinal ideas. Existing Sahidic Coptic (A language WITH indefinite articles) translations from the 3rd Century, have it as 'the Word was a god'. This is significant as those translations date BEFORE the Council of Nicaea.

[@breambo3835]

@@mattgardiner614 This is just one of many references to Christ’s eternal divinity. Here are a few more; Mathew 7:22 Many will say to Me on that day Lord, Lord. John 1:18 - the only God who is in the bosom of the Father has made him known John 20:28 - my Lord and my God Romans 9:5 - Christ who is God over all Titus 2:13 - our great God and savior Jesus Christ Hebrews 1:18 - of the Son he says, “Your throne o God is forever and ever” 2 Peter 1:1 - our God and savior Jesus Christ 1 John 5:20 - Jesus Christ who is the true God and eternal life 1 Timothy 3:16 - God was manifest in the flesh Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace

[@mattgardiner614]

@@breambo3835 They don't say what you think they say. For example Romans 9:5, "To them the forefathers belong, and from them the Christ descended according to the flesh. God, who is over all, be praised forever. Amen." Rendering the verse the way you have is also grammatically possible, but the context has to be taken into consideration. The preceding passage describes God’s loving provisions for his people. Consider also what follows at Romans 9:6-13. These verses show that the outworking of God’s purpose depends, not on inheritance according to the flesh, but on the will of God. Verses 14-18 refer to God’s message to Pharaoh, as recorded at Exodus 9:16, to highlight that God is over all. In verses 19-24, God’s superiority is further illustrated by the analogy of a potter and the clay vessels that he makes. Considering the context, it would therefore be natural for Paul to refer to “God, who is over all.” It is also noteworthy that Paul in his writings most often ascribes such expressions of praise, not to Christ Jesus, but to God. (Romans 11:34-36; 16:27; Galatians 1:4, 5; Philippians 4:20; 1 Timothy 1:17) Paul clearly distinguishes between Jesus and Jehovah God, as at Romans 15:5, 6, where he urges fellow Christians to “glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.” (2 Corinthians 1:3; Ephesians 1:3) The rendering of Romans 9:5 that I gave is also strongly supported by Paul’s words at 1 Corinthians 15:27, 28: "For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone." I don't even know where you are coming from in trying to use Matthew 7:22 to prove Jesus is God. As for the others, which verse would you like me to explain next?

[@breambo3835]

@@mattgardiner614 You totally ignored all the verses I gave you which is typical of all Arian heretics as yourself. If I didn’t tell you to repent of your sins otherwise you will be eternally damned, then I would be in sin. So Repent now, you have been warned.

[@mattgardiner614]

@@breambo3835 Sorry, what? I ignored all the verses? I went into quite a bit of detail on Romans 9:5, and I stated that I don't see how Matthew 7:22 confirms the divinity of Jesus. Then I ASKED you which of your verses you wanted me to touch on next. Could it be that you are only seeing what you want to see, Breambo? Are you projecting on me because it's actually you who haven't responded to the points that I raised? If you are going to be that disingenuous, and call me out, then brace yourself. You want me to address all those scriptures? fine. But this is going to be one long post. John 1:18: Jesus can rightly be called “a god” because of the way the term “god” is used in the Bible. This title conveys the basic idea of a mighty one, and it is even used of humans in the Scriptures. (Psalm 82:6) Jesus is, in effect, quoting Psalm 82:6 at John 10:34 when he says: "...“Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: “You are gods”’? They were “gods” in their capacity as representatives of and spokesmen for God. Similarly, Moses was told that he was to “serve as God” to Aaron and to Pharaoh.​ (Exodus 4:16) Angelic visitors where likewise addressed or referred to as 'God' in Genesis and Judges. Jesus is “a god,” or a mighty one, because he is given power and authority from the almighty God, the Father. (Matthew 28:18; 1 Corinthians 8:6) Because Jesus is the only one directly created by God and the only one through whom all things “came into existence” (John 1:3; Hebrews 1:2; Revelation 3:14), he is appropriately called “the only-begotten god.” This expression shows that Jesus holds a unique position of glory and preeminence in relation to all of God’s other spirit sons. John 20:28. Some scholars view this expression as an exclamation of astonishment spoken to Jesus but actually directed to God, his Father. Verse 17 shows that Jesus had previously told his disciples, “I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to MY GOD and your God,” so there is no reason to believe that Thomas thought that Jesus was the almighty God. Titus 2:13. Clearly 2 people in this verse. "while we wait for the happy hope and glorious manifestation of the great God and of our Savior, Jesus Christ," Hebrews 1:18. There is no Hebrews 1:18 2 Peter 1:1. Same as with Titus 2:13 - 2 different people. "Simon Peter, a slave and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have acquired a faith as precious as ours through the righteousness of our God and the Savior Jesus Christ:" 1 John 5:20. 'The one who is true' is the father. Here is the key part of that verse: "..And we are in union with the one who is true, by means of his Son Jesus Christ." 1 Timothy 3:16. "Indeed, the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great: ‘He was made manifest in flesh, was declared righteous in spirit, appeared to angels, was preached about among nations, was believed upon in the world, was received up in glory.’" He was 'made manifest in the flesh'. He reflected his father's will, purpose and personality exactly (John 5:30; 6:38; 7:16; 17:11, 21; Hebrews 1:3) Isaiah 9:6. It says 'Mighty God', not Almighty God. “Mighty God” was applicable to him; and especially since his resurrection, when he received all authority in heaven and on earth, and especially since his ascension into heaven, when he became the “reflection of [God’s] glory” and the “exact representation of his very being,” has that designation been most fitting for him. (Hebrews 1:3; Matthew 28:18) Further, in that he will provide everlasting life to obedient humankind by means of his ransom sacrifice he very appropriately is named “Eternal Father.” And, since by means of his kingdom he will bring everlasting peace to humankind, as well as to all the universe, how fitting that he be called “Prince of Peace.”

[@satpalhans2393]

Dear brother Sir ,I'm not a theologian or an much learned fellow but an ordinary man who believe that Jesus is Lord of lords and king of kings and even eternal God who became a man for us to deliver from sin and it's judgement that is death.

[@theguyver4934]

You need to read the bible

[@priscillajervey6134]

@@theguyver4934 If God became a man ,then WHO is Jesus always praying to?? You really do need to read your Bible.God don't change!!

[@priscillajervey6134]

what about Jesus praying to His father....IN HEAVEN do you not understand?? Have you no reasoning facilities.

[@SRBLIS3416]

If JESUS IS GOD? WHAT WILL HAPPEN OR WHAT WILL BE THE NATURE OF CHRIST WHEN CHRIST HIMSELF SUBJECT HIMSELF TO GOD 1 CORINTHIANS 15:28 CHRIST IS A HUMAN BEING UNTIL NOW UNTIL IN ETERNITY = 1 TIMOTHY 2:5

[@matthewford4050]

@@priscillajervey6134 Do you believe the prophets? Or this man? Let's examine some scriptures this man Appears to have ignored. Isaiah 9:6 KJV - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. The prophet refers to Jesus as the Mighty God. Everlasting Father. I really do not need to go any further. Jesus is called God almighty!!! 1 Timothy 3:16 KJV - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. John 1:1 KJV - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Notice the following scripture states that Jesus was in the likeness of sinful flesh. Romans 8:3 KJV - For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Now, when God made a covenant with Abraham, what part did Abraham have in it? The answer is none. He was asleep. The two parties that made the covenant were who? When Joshua worshipped the man, who was it? He needed to remove his shoes for it was holy ground. Jesus says of himself, he is the beginning and the end. Notice what YHWH states Isaiah 44:6 KJV - Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Isaiah 43:11 KJV - I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. And Jeremiah states Jeremiah 23:6 KJV - In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE YHWH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. I almost forgot colossians Colossians 1:16-17 KJV - For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. As you can see Jesus existed before he was "the man" as the eternal Son. He is the image of the invisible. He could not create if he did not preexist.

[@servantofthemosthigh6257]

Answer me this question showing you know the power of The Almighty / Father of Christ.: John 6:38, Christ stated "I came down from heaven" Is Christ a liar?

[@shanederry2691]

He actually said his flesh came down from heaven? You think that's literal? James 1:17 states every good gift comes down from heaven from the Father of lights...... So you think all children, animals, meals, houses, land literally comes down from heaven? 1 Peter rules out any pre existence of Jesus. It explicitly states "Jesus was "FOREKNOWN" before the foundation of the world"!!!!!

[@servantofthemosthigh6257]

@@shanederry2691 Thanks for the response. Foreknown means exactly that. That His existence as The Son of The Most High Elohim was known to have occured before the foundation of the world (see the words of Christ in John 17:5) I encourage you to look up Revelation 19:12-13 to see where Yehoshua states that He had a name -"The Word of YHWH", that none knew but He Himself, and then do a search for the phrase "The Word Of YHWH came to" and you will see how He interacted with the prophets of old.

[@wilhelmlorenz5852]

John 17:5,Explains this WHOLE thing about Preexistence of Jesus Christ in Heaven as The Father Spoke to JESUS 🙏 as he was still in Heaven...🙏😇🌹🤗🤔🙏🙏🙏...

[@Kamalu67]

Curious- did Jesus have a human father, conceived via sperm and egg? Does this man teach that Jesus earthly father was the true progenitor and that the Father in heaven gave Jesus His spirit adopting Jesus?

[@FLDavis]

John : 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Jesus Is Equal with God Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. The Authority of the Son Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. Joh 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel. Joh 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: Philippians 2: 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Colossians 1:15-20 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. The Rider on a White Horse Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

[@trudymarsh7138]

Before abraham was i have been

[@_BlueAzul]

Philippians 2:6‭-‬7 ESV who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. (Just to clarify, I don't believe in the trinity) But when it comes to Jesus' preexistence and this and other verses, I'm not so sure about that...What did he empty himself of?🤔 Edit: Also, I don't believe Jesus is the Most High, but do believe that He is His only begotten Son & that form(spiritual powerful mighty)is what He emptied Himself of, to become a regular earthly man and suffer as a human would without any special powers that would lessen all the pain & suffering that He went through...I'm still studying so please bare with me.

[@SonOfGodByNewBirthInChrist]

Linda. We all struggled with the final question of ‘who is Jesus?’ He is God’s only Born son as promised in the Garden of Eden, the seed of the Woman. He was created in the womb of a young Jewish virgin, he was not a son of Adam, the Apostle Paul calls him ‘the last Adam’. He was the only man ever to be fully obedient to God. He was born King of All creation just as Adam had been, but Jesus put all his rights aside and became the servant of all. This verse is a call back to Adam grasping at equality with God when he took the fruit. Jesus lived and died in complete obedience to His God and Father. Therefore God has highly exalted him and given him a name above every name and every knee will bow to Jesus giving Glory to God our Father. I’m praying for you sister.

[@_BlueAzul]

@@SonOfGodByNewBirthInChrist Thanks brother. Will pray for you as well. Blessings. 📖🙋🏽‍♀️

[@mattgardiner614]

"who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God." (Philippians 2:6) The Greek noun used here (har·pag·mosʹ) is derived from the verb har·paʹzo, which has the basic meaning “to seize; to snatch.” Some have suggested that this term refers to retaining something already possessed. However, the Scriptures never use the Greek term to mean the holding on to something already in one’s possession. Rather, it is often rendered “seize” or “snatch (away)” or by other such expressions. (Mt 11:12; 12:29; 13:19; Joh 6:15; 10:12, 28, 29; Ac 8:39; 23:10; 2Co 12:2, 4; 1Th 4:17; Jude 23; Re 12:5) If Jesus “gave no consideration” to seizing equality with God, it must be that he was never equal to God in the first place.

[@berniepenner6204]

at 25:19, the Hellenization of the Jews begins 3 or 400 years before Jesus.

[@user-yr3ty6je7g]

Those who deny the diety of Jesus are just unbelievers and it will cost you your soul in domination. Jesus is the creator and therefore God. The same yesterday , today and forever. He will be your judge and if you die without Him as your Savior you will be a empty and regretting soul that will wish that you were never born. All God ask is for you to believe in Him but if you try to reason things with your understanding you lose. Just go ahead and listen to these lost people and you will join them at the judgement.

[@servantofthemosthigh6257]

Shalom, I suspect you have never read John 6:38 and don't realize that with The Most High, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE. People should look to Christ for the truth and not men. Shalom. PS, I suspect you don't believe in demons (spirits) as taught by Christ..

[@ounkwon6442]

'The Creator Elohim is as our Father'. Not Trinitarian meaningless statement of 'Father is God'. No. Not 'Father is God' but God is (as) Father. That's the meaning of "God the Father" in the Bible. No "Father God" in the Bible. There is no separated being or person called 'Father' - 1st Person, 1st God of Trinity Godhead. Trinity God of three faced head, or of three headed person, eventually three person God of Trinity, e.g. of tritheism.

[@ounkwon6442]

But ;-) did God preexist? I preexist BEFORE my brother was born. Jesus existed BEFORE. Beforehand? e.g. Spoken language preexists before written one. But What the heck is preexist? or preexisted? :--

[@anthonybardsley4985]

His creation in flesh is human representation of the divine personage prior to the creation of the word.

[@joaquinbalenajr8806]

The absence of any word or phrase in the Scriptures literally does not remove or exclude the TRUTH FULNESS of a certain concept or idea just like that of the Triune God or the very nature and person of the Lord Jesus Christ. It's NOT impossible for the Lord Jesus Christ to be a God-man. He may be a [perfect] man outwardly but within Him is concealed the deity of His very person [the Father is with Him and They co-inhere with each other] inwardly. The Bible also teaches us that Mary "was found to be WITH child of the Holy Spirit." This indicates that the divine essence out of the Holy Spirit had been begotten in Mary's womb BEFORE she delivered the child Jesus. Such a conception of the Holy Spirit in the human virgin, accomplished with the DIVINE and HUMAN essenses, constituted a mingling of the divine nature with the human nature, which produced a God-man, one who is BOTH the complete God and the perfect man, possessing the divine and human nature distinctly, without a third nature being produced. This is the most wonderful and excellent person of Jesus, who is Yahweh the Savior. AS THE CONCEPTION WAS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, SO WHAT WAS BORN OF THAT CONCEPTION WAS A HOLY THING, INTRINSICALLY HOLY. THIS WAS JESUS OUR SAVIOR.

[@chrystallapsomas2030]

The more one listens to different theories and beliefs the more confused one gets.

[@trevorsimpson8788]

That would cause a serious philosophical problem, If the truth were to be so essential to the religion then it would have been useful to have mentioned it before.

[@janetgillespie6590]

John 3 : 13 explains this. This is not relevant to humans generally, only Jesus. "No one has ascended to heaven, except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man". Please check this section of scripture and I would be interested to hear your view. We don't pre- exist, but Jesus did.. As in the word became flesh. This is not reincarnation. How does this work with what you believe? Kind regards, Janet

[@kathyc00per2]

God and Jesus were before we were ever born. Jesus is the son of God. God sent his son Jesus to die on the cross and rose again on the 3rd day to save us from our sins. Jesus is the only one that can save us from our sins. Jesus is the only way to heaven. Read the bible.

[@Kamalu67]

The only way he gets away with these wrong statements is that he’s alone onstage and no one is challenging him. His theology is earthy and sensual. He’s wrong.

[@Thedisciplemike]

Instead of just saying he's wrong, you should actually make some points. In the format of the talk being presented, he is simply bringing forth his position. It is not a debate format, idiot. If your case were true, literally every talk any teacher, professor, scholar, etc. speaks about isn't to be listened to. There is a time and place for discussions and debates, just as there is a time and place for preaching and a time and place for lecturing.

[@maxspringer01]

@@Thedisciplemike the "idiot" name-calling was totally unnecessary and a poor Christian example.

[@Thedisciplemike]

@@maxspringer01 I agree. This was 2 years ago lol I'm embarrassed at this comment of mine

[@jonathaneidering5401]

The term "God" is not an onthological one, but one of hierachy. Moses was Aron's god, the people who receieved the word of God are called gods due to their higher position (Joh 10), Satan is called the god of this world, Paul says there are "many gods and many lords". All of these really were gods > within the limited sphere of power < but the ultimate god and ruler is the Father. He is Jesus' God as hebrews 1 tell us, he is "the only true God" as both Jesus and Paul states. However, Jesus is the son of god, making him the only direct offspring of the Father, sharing his essence and nature. Therefore, both the father and the son are devine beings that can be worshipped. But there is only one God - the Father. This way of thinking solves all the verses in the bible that opposes the idea of the trininity, which also causes a lot of philosofical prolems.

[@radicalunitarian]

You really are out of your depth.

[@mattgardiner614]

You could also have mentioned the several times in Genesis and once in Judges where angelic visitors are addressed as, or referred to later as 'God'. This is fitting as they were sent by God as his representatives. Compare with what Jesus said about himself at John 16:27: "For the Father himself has affection for you, because you have had affection for me and have believed that I came as God’s representative." I agree with a lot of what you said, except for when you say Jesus can be worshipped, and (Correct me if I'm wrong) your apparent retention of the Trinity Doctrine.

[@follow_the_way]

You are a quack. Sorry.

[@niallcurley480]

John 10:30 ‘I and my father are ONE’. John 1 ‘In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God, he was WITH GOD IN THE BEGINNING, BY HIM ALL THINGS WERE MADE’ - Men DONT make universes. 10 ¶ He was in the world, and the world was CREATED through him, and yet the world did not recognize him. 14 ¶ The Word became flesh and dweltfn among us. Isaiah 9 6 ¶ For a child will be BORN for us, a son will be given to us, and the government will be on his shoulders. He will be named Wonderful Counselor, MIGHTY GOD, EVERLASTING FATHER, Prince of Peace. Jesus made the universe, he is one with the father. He was made ‘flesh’ a ‘child’ and dwelt among us!

[@SonOfGodByNewBirthInChrist]

Ask your Heavenly Father to show you the answers to all your questions. Please read ALL the words Jesus spoke. He tells us plainly who he is and who his Heavenly Father is. Jesus prayed to his God and Father: “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; *that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us,* that the world may believe that You sent Me. And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, *that they may be one just as We are one:* I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me. Jn 17. This is one in 'Will and Purpose' not one in person.

[@priscillajervey6134]

@@SonOfGodByNewBirthInChrist Why do so many snatch certain verses out of their context to build a doctrine/belief? I am so pleased you explained and/or posted the entire context explaining to that lazy, misinformed and theologically illiterate "Curley. He is just one more "Tell me Pastor...what do I Believe today." herd mentality followers.

[@SonOfGodByNewBirthInChrist]

@@priscillajervey6134 I think Jesus told us the answer. You must really seek God with all your heart. Not trying to win arguments or put forth your church doctrine but abide in Jesus and his words: And someone said to him, *“Lord, will those who are saved be few?”* And he said to them, *“Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.* When once the master of the house has risen and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, open to us,’ then he will answer you, *‘I do not know where you come from.’* Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our streets.’ But he will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you come from. Depart from me, all you workers of evil!’ In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God but you yourselves cast out. And people will come from east and west, and from north and south, and recline at table in the kingdom of God. And behold, some are last who will be first, and some are first who will be last.” Luke 13 Why do you call me *‘Lord, Lord,’* and not do what I tell you? Luke 6 “Not everyone who says to me, *‘Lord, Lord,’* will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one *who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.* On that day many will say to me, *‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name,* and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, *‘I never knew you;* depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will *worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him.* God is spirit, and those who worship him *must worship in spirit and truth.”* John 4

[@SRBLIS3416]

Can you call Jesus as your Father? Matthew 23:9

[@SRBLIS3416]

@@SonOfGodByNewBirthInChrist Amen brother

[@follow_the_way]

Jesus is the eternal existing God. Praise the triune God. John 1 and many other verses show that the "word", Jesus, pre- existed creation.

[@janetgillespie6590]

Why then was Jesus not the name that was in the commandments?

[@follow_the_way]

@@janetgillespie6590 If you want to discuss this live and not post and run away, let me know.

[@quetzelmichaels1637]

Jesus began his work as the first Adam. The sin of Adam is prophetic of when he wields the fiery sword on the day of vengteance as judgment, setting up the abomination of desolation in himself, as the Temple without one stone left standing upon another. As a third-part to this world and these heavens, from a galaxy far, far, away, so to speak, he is the mediator between you and the Father you spring from. He hands the kingdom over to his God and Father and ascends beyond the heavens themselves. Creation is about the palan of salvation. Satan is the God of this world and the Father you spring from. Yahweh and Adam, that is, Satan and Jesus have been here from the beginning, reincarnating. The Father of the Son of David is.... David, the Morning Star, your king who rides the donkey while the Son of David rides the son of the donkey. Satan and his kingdom, the Abyss, along with his people, meaning you, were cast dow to earth for salvation. ------------------------------------------------------ Adam, the Christ, is a third-party mediator to this world and these heavens between you and the Father you spring from. In this version of the story, Jacob is seated at the table and Esau, the first-born, serves him. For who is greater: the one seated at table or the one who serves? Is it not the one seated at table? I am among you as the one who serves. (Luk 22:27 NABO) Esau, the firstborn, lives by the sword (sacrifice) and serves his brother, Jacob, who was born gripping (striking at) his heel. Isaac blessed Esau saying: Ah, far from the fertile earth shall be your dwelling; far from the dew of the heavens above! (Gen 27:39 NABO) (In a galaxy far, far, away, so to speak. Or, perhaps this universe isn’t big enough for the both of them.) You will not always have me (Mat 26:11 NABO) I am with you always, until the end of the age. (Mat 28:20 NAB) My kingdom does not belong to this world. (Joh 18:36 NABO) Where I am going you cannot come. (Joh 8:21 NABO) Then I took my staff "Refuge" and snapped it asunder, breaking off the covenant which I had made with all peoples (Noahic covenant) (Zec 11:10 NABO) Then I snapped asunder my other staff, "Heritage" (Deu 32:8) breaking off my brotherhood with (or between?) Judah and Israel. (Zec 11:14 NABO) the one who ascended far above all the heavens themselves (Eph 4:10 NABO) never to return to corruption (Act 13:34 NABO) "By your sword (sacrifice) you shall live, and your brother you shall serve; But when you become restive (weak; faint; infirm; a worm; man of suffering; restless; wanderer in the desert; way of the Lord in the desert), you shall throw off his yoke from your neck." (Gen 27:40 NABO) Save me, I pray, from the hand of my brother Esau! (Gen 32:12 NABO) Esau ran to meet him, embraced him, and flinging himself on his neck, kissed him as he wept. (Gen 33:4 NABO) Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am meek and humble of heart; and you will find rest for yourselves. For my yoke is easy, and my burden light. (Mat 11:29-30 NABO) ----------------------------------------- Master of the Demon Sin: If you do well, you can hold up your head; but if not, sin is a demon lurking at the door: his urge is toward you, yet you can be his master (Gen 4:7 NABO) Who, robed in splendor, judges nations, crushes heads across the wide earth, Who drinks from the brook by the wayside and thus holds high the head. (Psa 110:6-7 NABO)

[@berniepenner6204]

at 29:00 , Jesus had to be ONE of US, not One of the Angels, not another SPIRIT: since GOD is SPIRIT. Jesus also was the Son of GOD. In his conception lies a "mystery" that we only see "through a glass darkly". Paul continually embellishes the 'HUMANITY' of Jesus. Jesus was the "last Adam" and was NOT of the earth. So the origin of Jesus is distinct from the origin of the rest of humanity.

[@brianguglielmin2873]

Yes, Jesus is Ever God the Almighty. John 1, Genesis 1, 1John 1, Colossians 1, Revelation 1 and 2. Isaiah 7 and 9, Daniel 7:13, 10:5-10, 12. Psalm 2 and 110, Isaiah 53.

[@annapaulal.h.1393]

🤨... 🤔... 1 JOHN 4: 1-11............................❣️ JONH 1 : 14................................. ❣️

[@jesusdeity2010]

"The Father and I are one!" "If you see Me, you see the Father!" "Don't you believe that the Father is IN Me?" "ALL (!) AUTHORITY in heaven and earth has been given to Me!". (Only God has all authority). At healing the paralytic: "Your sins have been forgiven you!" (Only God can forgive sins). "I am THE (not a) light of the world". ...God. "I have come to give you Zoë =divine life in abundance". (Only God can give Zoë life). Etc, etc. Conclusion of Paul after having revelation: "Jesus, the exact image of the invisible God. The fullness of deity dwells in Jesus bodily". John (who had seen, touched, heard Jesus): "the invisible God manifested in human form, in Christ". Thomas having revelation saying to Jesus: "My Lord and My God!". Jesus being God did NOT correct Him. Etc, etc, etc. And of course His life totally proves He is God in human form. Begotten by the Spirit of God, filled with the spirit of God, healing all, raising the dead, casting out demons, controlling nature, raised from the dead, pouring out His Spirit for us to be indwelled by to be empowered to heal the sick and cast out demons, etc, etc, etc. Hence the divine healing miracles and casting out of demons i experienced already thousands of times and many others too. Way to much to degrade Him to "just a prophet". Some unfortunately never understood God's resolve for mankind's fall and wrote an other story leading millions astray. Heartbreaking. But for those who take Jesus for who He is and ask to be filled by His godly Holy Spirit.....: divine life. Tangible presence of God, healings, demons running for cover, etc. Just as with His first 12+72 friends.

[@mattgardiner614]

There's too much for me to go through here, so I'll deal with 2 of your points: 'The Father and I are one'. You just have to read John 17:11 &21 to see what Jesus meant by that statement. Thomas saying 'My Lord and my God'. This is either and exclamation of surprise, or, an acknowledgement of Jesus' being sent by God. Several times in Genesis and once in Jugdes, angelic visitors were addressed as, or referred to later, as 'God'. As Jesus himself said: "For the Father himself has affection for you, because you have had affection for me and have believed that I came as God’s representative." (John 16:27) You can ask me to comment on some of your other points if you choose to reply.

[@kenredbourn6741]

COMPARE Jn.8:12 with Matt.5:14/ COMPARE Jn.10:30 with Jn.17:22 / COMPARE Matt.28:18 with Matt.9:6-8 and 1Cor.15:27,28

[@kenredbourn6741]

PAUL said , I can do ALL-Things thru Christ, but this ALL is NOT UN-LIMITED. Jesus said ALL-Things are possible to us Believers, but this ALL is NOT UN-LIMITED. 1Cor.15:27,28.

[@kenredbourn6741]

Jesus is NOT God-Himself, but only The IMAGE(Representation) of God-Himself. An IMAGE(Representation) is NEVER-EVER The PRINCIPAL and a COPY is NEVER-EVER The ORIGINAL. Jesus is God merely by-way-of REPRESENTATION and PERSONIFICATION.

[@follow_the_way]

Jesus is God. Praise the triune God of the bible.

[@timothys4864]

This explanation is a joke. But some people will believe it because they don't read the rest.

[@Psalm-pu2jq]

Actually what Pastor Gill is saying is right to me. Have you watched the whole series? There are 5 in all. Each one builds on another.

[@timothys4864]

@@Psalm-pu2jq Jesus is God according to the bible. If you wish to discuss this with me, let me know.

[@shanederry2691]

@@timothys4864 No, he's not. Jesus denied being God. There are too many explicit verses that refute your claim easily!! Jesus called himself a "man" that heard the truth from God!! What about this don't you understand? Jesus called his Father "the only true God"!! Jesus didn't call himself a god man or god incarnate. Paul called Jesus "the man Christ Jesus"!!

[@timothys4864]

@@shanederry2691 Are you trying to convince me that Jesus is not God?

[@rodolfofierro1396]

This is so "ABSURD"...to say that Jesus was not preexistent,When Jesus came into this world thru the virgin marry birth...right away right there tells u that Jesus was very unique in every aspect,a supernatural birth to enter from eternity to time...from heavens eternal habitation to earth's life span time....even Father God Yahovah gives testimony about his Son's origin place...in Micah 5:2...as it reads..( BUT THOU BETHLEHEM EPHRATA,THOUGH THOU BE LITTLE AMONG THE THOUSANDS OF JUDAH,YET OUT OF THEE SHALL HE COME FORTH UNTO ME THAT IS TO BE RULER IN ISRAEL,WHOSE GOINGS FORTH HAVE BEEN FROM OF OLD,FROM EVERLASTING.)....the word in the beginning who was with God,and the word was God,the SAME was in the beginning with God.....my brothers please hearken,the word who was in the beginning with God is the SAME PERSON who became flesh and dwelt amongst us..John1:14..says..( and the word became flesh and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory,the glory as of the only begotten of the Father ),full of grace and truth....so my brothers & sisters the conclusion to understand this truth is very simple,the perfect meaning to grasp this implies a continuing existence in a new state...as u can get more clarity from the book of philippians 2:5-7...(let this mind be in you,wich was also in Christ Jesus,who being in the form of God ,thought it not robbery to be equal with God but made himself of no reputation,and took upon him the form of a servant and was made in the likeness of men)....i hope this brought some clarity to those who doubt the Lords preexistence..its never stopped...I leave u in peace,in the name of our Savior Yaushuah hamashiac....🙏🔥🛡🗡

[@Kamalu67]

Only God could accomplish the salvation at the cross. God became man in order to rescue His creation.

[@mattgardiner614]

Not so. By what leap of logic do you make that claim?

[@shanederry2691]

Totally untrue and the dumbest statement on here!! 1 Corinthians 15:21 states Adam who was a man brought sin into the world and Jesus who is a man took sin out!!

[@Kamalu67]

In John 8:58 if the Jews agreed with you sir that he claimed to exist only in the mind of God and that this was a very Jewish thought and understanding then why did the Pharisees pick up stones to kill him if they agreed with him? Your use of scriptures to prove your position takes them out of context. You are using circular reasoning in order to destroy the faith of your hearers. If they hear your voice then they are not hearing the voice of Christ. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. Remove this video and replace it with a video of your repentance and confession that Jesus is Lord - He Is the one who created the universe and all that is within He is the one who spoke with Abraham He Is the one who is and was and will ever be He Is the one that revealed Himself to Isaiah and Job and Jacob and Moses and Joshua and Samuel and David and Ezekiel and Daniel and Hosea and Peter and the apostles. Repent!!!!

[@Thedisciplemike]

You are mistaken about the account in John 8. Read the context just a few verses up. In verse 54; "Jesus answered, 'If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father that glorifies me, he who YOU say is YOUR God'". He then goes on to assert that his message is not from him, but from God, and that even Abraham (who they were speaking about earlier) saw Jesus coming and rejoiced (in effect saying he was the one who had been prophesied so many times throughout the hebrew scriptures; Gods Son, his annointed one. The pharasees are pissed off because they don't want Jesus to be the Christ. It doesn't fit their agenda.

[@grayman7208]

haven't watched the whole thing yet (2.29) but, no, the bible clearly states there is preexistence in a spiritual condition before birth. the father created our spirits, before they are sent to our bodies. otherwise there could not have been a rebellion by lucifer and 1/3 the host of heaven. rev.12:7-10. because in order for them to do that they had to preexist and have intelligence. they had to have understanding a freewill. you seem to claim that "created" only applies to the physical. preexistence is the spirit in heaven before coming to earth and occupying a body. before we become complete on earth ... spirit and body combined. and existing in heaven even before the world was formed. your mistake is thinking "preexistence" means before god. it does not mean that ... "preexistence" means before mortality. 13:14. wrong. that is exactly what it means. unless i am misunderstanding you.

[@grayman7208]

@Sage of Synergism actually god the father is the creator. revelations 5:13 does not say jesus is the creator. it says all creatures bowed down to him. the reason they bowed down to him is because he is the saviour. genesis 1 tells us god the father is the creator. The Beginning genesis 1 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. 3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning-the first day. 6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning-the second day. 9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good. 11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning-the third day. 14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights-the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning-the fourth day. 20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23 And there was evening, and there was morning-the fifth day. 24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” 27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. 28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.” 29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground-everything that has the breath of life in it-I give every green plant for food.” And it was so. 31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning-the sixth day. no where does it say jesus did anything. god the father did it. he informed the host of heaven he was making man in his image. and he did it. jesus is not mentioned anywhere.

[@grayman7208]

@Sage of Synergism yes it does say us. that is god ( the creator ) talking to the host of heaven our spirits. telling them what he is going to do. we know this because the very next verse proves it. 27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. god did that. singular. not "they."

[@grayman7208]

@Sage of Synergism i did not create any contradiction. read what i wrote. god was telling the host of heaven what he was going to do. then he did it. simple. yes, your example is illogical ... but that is not close to what i said. hmmm hebrews 1:10. nope. try hebrews 1:4 ... " being MADE so much better than the angels. " and rev 5:13 tells what is going to happen. so ? it differentiates between the father and the son. you just made my argument. thanks.

[@grayman7208]

​@Sage of Synergism when you tell the neighbor we made a cake for you ... does that mean both your wife, children, and yourself all directly made it. or you made it as a group ? or is it a figure of speech ? one person making it for the group ? job 33 simply confirms god made everything. again you keep winning my argument for me.

[@grayman7208]

@Sage of Synergism being glorified by all creation ... is referring to him being the way to salvation. he was created by his father ... god ... the creator of ALL things. and rev 5:13 proves they are two different beings. one sits on the thrown, and one is the lamb.

[@Used777_07]

He makes the mistake of believing Jesus was an ordinary human creation (and His level is one any man can achieve, if he works to receive enough blessings from God). Adam, our ancestor, was made in the image of God (man like unto God) but Jesus was made in the likeness of men (God humbled into a man). The Godhead has always been plural, a Duality - Almighty God and The Word, separate, but One invisible Being, always in existence (Let US make man in OUR image...). And like His image, when the male and female join, the two become one flesh. Or as with Israel, when she was married to Almighty God, she was set apart to be One with Him in an undefiled marriage bed. Two becoming one, expanding the family this way, is a constant theme in Creation. The Word was made flesh, and as the presence of the glory of the Most High filled the Temple, so the presence of the Glory of The Father filled the Son's human body. Ezekiel saw Him: Ezekiel 1:26 KJV ... _and upon the likeness of the throne_ *was the likeness as the appearance of a man* above upon it. Ezekiel 1:28 KJV As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. *This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord.* And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake. In Eternity, Jesus is a glorified man joined with the Glory He shared with Almighty God from the beginning, as The Word of God (John 17:5). Interesting, how Jesus has a new name in Heaven, and none of us know it. I wonder if, in Eternity, the glorified human man, Jesus, is somehow joined with the pre-existent self in the Godhead - The Word? Revelation 19:11-13 KJV _And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and_ *he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True,* and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. [12] _His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and_ *he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.* [13] _And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood:_ *and his name is called The Word of God.* Revelation 3:12 KJV _Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God:_ *and I will write upon him my new name.* Revelation 2:17 KJV _He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches;_ To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, *and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.*

[@brianguglielmin2873]

The Son of God is God Himself. Whoever sees Him sees the Father for He came forth from Him, not as a thought of the Father but a Real Person from the Father come down from Heaven to be our Savior. One God One Savior Christ our Lord and Our God.