Did Marvel Steal Spider-Man's Costume?

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@NerdSyncProductions
@NerdSyncProductions 6 жыл бұрын
Less than 200 subscribers until we hit 470,000 subs! Let's do it, you wonderful nerds!
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@lokittylaufeysonofasgard 6 жыл бұрын
Fewer.
@oceanman4563
@oceanman4563 6 жыл бұрын
Make a comic book easter egg part 2 video
@oceanman4563
@oceanman4563 6 жыл бұрын
Please
@robinhyperlord9053
@robinhyperlord9053 6 жыл бұрын
You deserve LESS subscribers. You mock conspiracy theories for telling the truth and acted silly the entire video.
@l.oua.y
@l.oua.y 6 жыл бұрын
at 471 now
@fictionalortrue9898
@fictionalortrue9898 6 жыл бұрын
The suit wasn't COBALT BLUE!!! It was actually black. The blue was often used to accent the black. This is the same as with Superman's hair. However, when a new artist started doing the comics, there was a misinterpretation and the artist drew the suit in blue instead of black.
@arpandutta3106
@arpandutta3106 6 жыл бұрын
Is that true? Wow that's a cool little fact. But do you have any source to link, it would be helpful 😊
@FlippytheMasterofPie
@FlippytheMasterofPie 6 жыл бұрын
I’m pretty sure Ditko was actually the one who adopted blue into the color scheme, but it was kind of a gradual thing, where the inky black sort of became less and less prominent. It’s apparent as early as issue 3 (I presume this has more to do with saving ink than any real artistic vision) and then becomes really apparent after issue 20, and Ditko didn’t leave the book until the completion of issue 38. While it’s true that his replacement John Romita Sr would refine and eventually define the solid construction, brighter colors, and less aggressive shading of the character (and, one could argue, Marvel’s house style as a whole) I think the transformation from black to blue is a little more gradual than a lot of people think. But that’s just my impression, looking at covers in my Marvel Masterworks editions-which should be noted are notorious for some more liberal recoloring choices by the restoration team. However, considering the INKS of the drawing are mostly untouched, I think we can still determine what the amount of “black” is based on how much Ditko shaded in the costume.
@InfamousJJ420
@InfamousJJ420 6 жыл бұрын
I thought that was more so the idea for Spider-Man 2099, who’s entire suit is black, but appears blue due to the lighting in the futuristic city.
@davindeptuck7905
@davindeptuck7905 6 жыл бұрын
I assume the same thing happened to Batman. It never made any sense to me why TF Batman would dress in blue- less stealthy, less frightening, and lastly, some bats are black, but no bats are blue!
@Xezian
@Xezian 6 жыл бұрын
Davin Deptuck blue is less stealthy Yet the sky is blue Even the night sky just a really really dark blue
@IzzytheMelody
@IzzytheMelody 6 жыл бұрын
There's no hyphen on the other one. These aren't the same costume. Boom. Already case solved.
@NerdSyncProductions
@NerdSyncProductions 6 жыл бұрын
Never forget the hyphen
@barbaricbarbaric397
@barbaricbarbaric397 6 жыл бұрын
Right, "if you are going to copy me, copy me totally..."
@toddsmith8082
@toddsmith8082 6 жыл бұрын
Izzy Coburn You are right both outfits is not the same also color🤔
@sebastianmaregatti
@sebastianmaregatti 6 жыл бұрын
“In hyphen we trust”
@paddytguitar
@paddytguitar 6 жыл бұрын
Non-Ugandan Knuckles There was once a mis print in the Stan Lee run were while Spidey was fighting Doc-Ock, he called him ‘Super-Man.’
@yitzledee
@yitzledee 6 жыл бұрын
How about Marvel paid for the rights of the name and costume which was kept quiet but gave credit to Ben Cooper to be Spidey's Uncle, Uncle Ben.
@jakequali7608
@jakequali7608 6 жыл бұрын
Yitzy Ledee that's actually not far off. It might be the true story.
@trescohen8232
@trescohen8232 6 жыл бұрын
Thats a sick idea i hope thats what happened or it wasnt stolen at all or maybe it was inspired by it and because its so similar they paid royalty fees
@SgtTwilight
@SgtTwilight 6 жыл бұрын
My assumption is Steve or Kirby happened to see the costume once or twice, and it subconsciously found its way in their works. As for the merch deal, as the old saying goes "if you can't beat them, join them". Maybe they didn't want a long, dragged out legal dispute and decided it probably be more profitable to just make a licensing deal. Since the deal apparently lasted until at least the 70s, I'd say it worked out.
@FrigginBoomToys
@FrigginBoomToys 6 жыл бұрын
I was thinking something like that also
@charlenekaczynski9023
@charlenekaczynski9023 6 жыл бұрын
I actually really like the red and black suit
@Redchocobo
@Redchocobo 6 жыл бұрын
9/10 -Scott didn't put on the 70s costume -Too much water
@foofighterlover
@foofighterlover 6 жыл бұрын
Damn water puddles
@prophet1390
@prophet1390 6 жыл бұрын
Don’t forget there was no blue in the “original” suit it was the shading that made it look blue because that’s how they shaded black
@matthewthechosenoneflatt1452
@matthewthechosenoneflatt1452 6 жыл бұрын
Rhett M I just commented basically the same thing
@yaboijjonah._.1815
@yaboijjonah._.1815 6 жыл бұрын
Rhett M annnnnd what about it
@paulheap1982
@paulheap1982 6 жыл бұрын
@@yaboijjonah._.1815 Other than the cobalt blue part?
@scottbruckner4653
@scottbruckner4653 6 жыл бұрын
Here's how it went down. Stan: I have an idea for a guy called Spider-Man, Jack could you draw me up something? Jack: sure... And done. Stan: No... He isn't supposed to be superman. Steve, doodle me up something. Steve: Sure thing... And done. Stan: Now this is a spectacular spider-man... Might have to save that for later... Jack do you still have contacts over at that costume supplier? Jack: I'll pull some strings and have Spider-Man costumes on the shelves by October, Stan. Stan: Excelsior.
@daemonCaptrix
@daemonCaptrix 6 жыл бұрын
I read this in Stan Lee's voice! ( I have no idea what Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko sound like)
@larrytoons6220
@larrytoons6220 4 жыл бұрын
@@daemonCaptrix jack kirby sounds like the thing and steve ditko has a british NY accent
@freespeechisdead1565
@freespeechisdead1565 3 жыл бұрын
How it really went. Stan: I just saw a costume with the name Spider man on it. And now I have an idea for a new character. Jack: Yeah, what's that? Stan: Spider-man. Here's the costume, draw me up something.
@rtflone
@rtflone 2 жыл бұрын
@@larrytoons6220 Jack Kirby, née Jacob Kurtzberg, was a born and bred New Yorker so he probably did sound like the Thing, maybe a little less gruff. Ditko was born and raised in Johnstown, Pa just east of Pittsburgh so nothing like an upper crust British New Yorker. 50/50 could be worse..
@rkvc
@rkvc 6 жыл бұрын
Audibly laughed out loud at the blood after the mask removal. hahaha Humor is on point bro 👌
@cheez-itman2784
@cheez-itman2784 6 жыл бұрын
RKVC 3:08
@taikajorma7276
@taikajorma7276 5 жыл бұрын
RKVC and i tought it was parts of the mask xD
@JasperForge
@JasperForge 5 жыл бұрын
Its just the bits of the mask still stuck to his face
@Abigart69
@Abigart69 5 жыл бұрын
Jay Nigma no it isn’t
@NerdSyncProductions
@NerdSyncProductions 6 жыл бұрын
A little bit of a shorter video today. Hope you like it! Let me know if you think there's anything to this theory. Maybe there's something I missed?
@doriansookochoff9768
@doriansookochoff9768 6 жыл бұрын
Damn, wasn't thinking you really meant you glued the mask on. Wow. That must have hurt.
@matthewthechosenoneflatt1452
@matthewthechosenoneflatt1452 6 жыл бұрын
Um don't you mean black cuz spideys suit was originally black and red the blue was added to make it not look Flatt at least I believe I heard that on one of your own videos
@Nathan_Silvermane
@Nathan_Silvermane 6 жыл бұрын
NerdSync great video scott, i was so surprised that you actually put that thing on your face. Methinks the gentleman hath lost his mind haha Seriously though this video made today great, keep at it man.
@puddin3543
@puddin3543 6 жыл бұрын
Let me be perfectly honest: I actually prefer these shorter videos. Sometimes, like with the 22-minute Captain America one a little while back, I'm too lazy to watch the whole thing.
@soapthesoap
@soapthesoap 6 жыл бұрын
I love this video!
@DopeLoco_1
@DopeLoco_1 6 жыл бұрын
Ben Cooper = Uncle Ben 😅
@ecart06
@ecart06 6 жыл бұрын
dyshaun hines oh no lol
@peterbenjaminparker8572
@peterbenjaminparker8572 6 жыл бұрын
May Cooper
@noralasiah5623
@noralasiah5623 5 жыл бұрын
Uncle Ben Cooper
@s.nifrum4580
@s.nifrum4580 5 жыл бұрын
dyshaun hines Ben Cooper Parker
@readerofmanga
@readerofmanga 5 жыл бұрын
So the entire time, Spider-Man's original creator was Jack Kirby.
@mycontentcreation5264
@mycontentcreation5264 8 ай бұрын
No
@NiallByrne
@NiallByrne 6 жыл бұрын
That yellow costume looks more like the shocker to be honest, honestly it just doesn’t look close enough to the Spider-Man costume.
@NoNonsenseSpider
@NoNonsenseSpider 6 жыл бұрын
Rest in peice Steve Ditko. 😢😢😭
@Ty-dq5fi
@Ty-dq5fi 5 жыл бұрын
And stanlee 😭
@Gamer-lq4wl
@Gamer-lq4wl 5 жыл бұрын
@@Ty-dq5fi Rest in peace Steve Ditko. Rest in piss Stan Lee.
@Ty-dq5fi
@Ty-dq5fi 5 жыл бұрын
@@Gamer-lq4wl hey now stan Lee isnt bad ok
@jcl5611
@jcl5611 4 жыл бұрын
@@Gamer-lq4wl Go back to the swamp Shrek
@tarunabisheik654
@tarunabisheik654 4 жыл бұрын
@@Ty-dq5fi Stan lee was a theif
@rickrivers2021
@rickrivers2021 3 жыл бұрын
Ditko's design is original and he deserves credit. Webs on a body-suit alone does not make the Spider-man look. Even if Ditko had seen the suit and did decide to put webs on it as a result, that would've been mild enough to count as inspiration, just as so many early superheroes had capes despite Superman doing it first. The red and black with blue shading and webshooters is a brilliant look.
@rpmblack7892
@rpmblack7892 Жыл бұрын
It's not just that. It's the eyes and the formatting of the costume.
@johnkolakowski4253
@johnkolakowski4253 Жыл бұрын
Turns out, after diligent investigation, Jack Kirby did indeed not only work for the Ben Cooper costume company in NYC but also was the sole designer...
@DaneShobe
@DaneShobe 6 жыл бұрын
That Jack Kirby reveal was FIRE.
@freespeechisdead1565
@freespeechisdead1565 3 жыл бұрын
The real question isn't if they stole the costume. The real question is did they steal the entire idea. There's a costume that exists nearly 10 years before Marvel publishes a comic book called 'Spider-man' and that costume has SPIDER MAN in bold letters slapped right on it's head? Come on. This is how it went. Stan: I just saw a costume with the name Spider man on it. And now I have an idea for a new character. Jack: Yeah, what's that? Stan: Spider-man. Here's the costume, draw me up something.
@mikenayers5981
@mikenayers5981 6 жыл бұрын
Also, well before 1962 Marvel used the term Spiderman or The Spider Man on two different covers for their horror and sci-fi comics. Just like there were characters called The Hulk and Doctor Doom in that era.
@SgtTwilight
@SgtTwilight 6 жыл бұрын
To be fair, "The Hulk" doesn't mean much. A "hulk" is just a big guy or creature, so saying "The Hulk" is just saying a guy or thing is really big.
@mikenayers5981
@mikenayers5981 6 жыл бұрын
Jordan DeHart Journey Into Mystery 62.
@Top_Hat_Man
@Top_Hat_Man 6 жыл бұрын
Spiderman Spider Man Spider-Man
@MrEdWeirdoShow
@MrEdWeirdoShow 3 ай бұрын
Yep, and there was another character on the tip end of the golden age called The Thing. It was by Marvel (or what would later be called Marvel), but it wasn't by Jack Kirby. You guessed it - Steve Ditko!
@RamsTheNameCom
@RamsTheNameCom 6 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of what happen with Bat Man, basically he stole his Bat wing gloves and bits n pieces of his overall costume design from 1939's Black Bat (he took these elements in his design down the road in the late 1940's).
@RowdyRodimus
@RowdyRodimus 6 жыл бұрын
Bill Finger designed Batman's costume. Bob Kane's contribution to Batman was the name and signing his name in a box.
@RamsTheNameCom
@RamsTheNameCom 6 жыл бұрын
@@RowdyRodimus ....Reread my comment, I clearly said this redesign happened in the 1940's. Bat Man was created in 1939.
@RamsTheNameCom
@RamsTheNameCom 6 жыл бұрын
@@RowdyRodimus Also it was Bob Kane who wanted to use this new design he stole from Black Bat in a court case (Bob Kane sued Black Bat's creator for ripping off his creation..... Even though the two are nothing a like.... Marvel's Daredevil is an almost identical knockoff of Black Bat to put things in perspective...... The Shadow's creator should have sued the pants off of Bob Kane for plagiarizing his character). Another myth that you may believe is that Bill Finger created all of Bob's Bat Man villains.... If that were the case then why were they based on people Bob Kane personally hated (EX: Two Face= Black Bat's creator, The Penguin= Owner of Rival comic company who tripped Bob Kane while crossing the street).
@joneshugh
@joneshugh 6 жыл бұрын
Also there's a Japanese character called "The Bat" that came before Batman (and Supes).
@RamsTheNameCom
@RamsTheNameCom 6 жыл бұрын
joneshugh ....I think you meant "Golden Bat" who came out in 1931....... Who still was beat by the silent film anti hero "The Bat" from 1926 (who was a criminal who killed other criminals and used various gadgets as well as had his own bat symbol flashlight).
@grantnoveloso2465
@grantnoveloso2465 6 жыл бұрын
Old halloween costumes were creepy.
@harleymann2830
@harleymann2830 6 жыл бұрын
Isn't that the point of most Halloween costumes.
@JetStreamSheet540
@JetStreamSheet540 6 жыл бұрын
And what's the point of halloween?
@masakifujita50
@masakifujita50 6 жыл бұрын
As they should be
@luistowersss
@luistowersss 5 жыл бұрын
The first spider man costume looks like something that will watch you while you sleep
@tomsolomon6512
@tomsolomon6512 5 жыл бұрын
Dude the gag where you glued half the mask to your face and then it hurt your face was totally worth it because as soon as you came out with the half mask on talking about Spider Sense it like struck my heart
@reedcomics8196
@reedcomics8196 6 жыл бұрын
Drawing inspiration from something and stealing it are two different things.
@OwenLikesComics
@OwenLikesComics 6 жыл бұрын
Hey, that British guy looks fun! Everyone should go watch his video
@thomaswelbourn55
@thomaswelbourn55 6 жыл бұрын
I was going to, as I'm a fellow Brit
@ThatOneGuy7550
@ThatOneGuy7550 6 жыл бұрын
I wonder who it is...
@boss-anova
@boss-anova 6 жыл бұрын
I cant deal with the accent, so no thanks.
@hrdkorebp
@hrdkorebp 6 жыл бұрын
Nah
@ethanjohnson3642
@ethanjohnson3642 6 жыл бұрын
Don't know why you would say that
@shinryouzen
@shinryouzen 6 жыл бұрын
I really like how you placed like an "air of darkness" effect on this conspiracy theory but at the same time inserted comedic commentaries to lighten up the mood. All this while providing comprehensible information. The effort you put in your videos while giving us the details is one of the reasons why I love your channel
@AlexHeathman
@AlexHeathman 6 жыл бұрын
not gonna lie when I saw the missing skin on his head after the mask came off I realized this man is in it for his viewers
@santicraft8
@santicraft8 6 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure that's just makeup
@stephencraver8472
@stephencraver8472 6 жыл бұрын
It's some of the red fabric that's still very very glued to his face
@AlexHeathman
@AlexHeathman 6 жыл бұрын
Let my imagination be 😂
@dr.memes2156
@dr.memes2156 6 жыл бұрын
No, it is actually blood
@12DAMDO
@12DAMDO 6 жыл бұрын
"my common sense is tingling" okay that is the most quotable line ever! mind if i steal your joke some day?
@joshuapower7858
@joshuapower7858 Жыл бұрын
What if someone drew spider man but it didn’t have the same color of the costume and went with the spider man costume before spider man was born
@platypusfox73
@platypusfox73 6 жыл бұрын
Whoa, I thought that gluing the mask to your face was a joke until I saw the red marks. You all right after all that?
@santicraft8
@santicraft8 6 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure it was just makeup to keep the joke going
@agentofempathy9719
@agentofempathy9719 6 жыл бұрын
it's pieces of fabric from the edges still glued to his face
@oro2play
@oro2play 6 жыл бұрын
Oh lol. And here I thought he just ripped some of the skin off his face and continued on like it was nbd.
@Ac0303
@Ac0303 6 жыл бұрын
He said on twitter he just had alot of fake blood he wanted to use up
@platypusfox73
@platypusfox73 6 жыл бұрын
adam connell whew, that's good to know. Had me worried there for a moment.
@spidertaco1924
@spidertaco1924 6 жыл бұрын
Spider-Man game has to update. Gonna watch this in the meantime
@fission035
@fission035 6 жыл бұрын
Update? Did they release a patch or something?
@MoldMonkey93
@MoldMonkey93 6 жыл бұрын
@@fission035 He just got the game
@timothymclean
@timothymclean 6 жыл бұрын
I doubt it; I always thought Captain Marvel got along with Spidey.
@luisalejandrolopezbuendia9686
@luisalejandrolopezbuendia9686 6 жыл бұрын
Wich one?
@etho_png1499
@etho_png1499 6 жыл бұрын
luis alejandro lopez buendia Carol had a crush at Spidey, and Khan I think had a team up
@KajiRider1997
@KajiRider1997 6 жыл бұрын
Well He took it badly. 3.bp.blogspot.com/-Ab59qNHoeB8/UCVc2VUCumI/AAAAAAAAACQ/oPT1EZzdkb4/s1600/CM-11.jpg
@bigman9022
@bigman9022 6 жыл бұрын
you doubt what?
@projectbpain44
@projectbpain44 6 жыл бұрын
What are you guys talking about? Where did this topic come from?
@Nasir3623
@Nasir3623 6 жыл бұрын
This video deserves an award. The research, the editing , the gags, the dramatic effects everything is almost perfect
@DocRunaway
@DocRunaway Жыл бұрын
The comedy stinks though.
@MrEdWeirdoShow
@MrEdWeirdoShow 3 ай бұрын
Well, I talked a few times to Jack at various SDCons, and like most folks when mentioning what a hero wore, the term would be outfit or uniform. But in reference to Spidey, Jack instead uses the word costume, as in Halloween costume. Then there's the fact that most all other superheros were one word names, like Superman, Superboy, Batman, Batwoman, etc., but Marvel instead seperated the name, like the Cooper Costume company did. (Although Cooper just used a space between, without any hyphen or dash.) But note that when Marvel first tried out their version, they were riffing on one of Stan Lee's fave old pulp characters - The Spider. BTW, I'm happy they dumped from the outfit all that YELLOW, which is the color of cowardice.
@matthewflowleon4256
@matthewflowleon4256 6 жыл бұрын
Proof that good artists copy & great artists steal
@luna.r.leo.
@luna.r.leo. 6 жыл бұрын
What?
@markdarc0448
@markdarc0448 6 жыл бұрын
GHOSTBOY SWIFT you mean taking advice from others some people nowadays would say oh you used a line in your drawing well that’s copying
@tylerhouston69
@tylerhouston69 6 жыл бұрын
Everyone steals something when you create something "Original" it's just mixing different things together to create your version. Except tracing, tracing is just lazy.
@d-manthecaptain1382
@d-manthecaptain1382 6 жыл бұрын
I don't even know what that means
@estebancruz3519
@estebancruz3519 6 жыл бұрын
My art teacher told me this when we were talking about paintings, music and Shakespeare and its undoubtedly true
@PaulTagliatelle
@PaulTagliatelle 6 жыл бұрын
Video looks amazing Scott, great work as usual
@NerdSyncProductions
@NerdSyncProductions 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Paul!
@PaulTagliatelle
@PaulTagliatelle 6 жыл бұрын
No problem, can't wait for your next video (no pressure though)
@elijahcastillo7679
@elijahcastillo7679 6 жыл бұрын
Is that glued on, Paul?
@PaulTagliatelle
@PaulTagliatelle 6 жыл бұрын
If only hahahaha, I used a snapchat sticker to crop a Spider-Man Homecoming action figure mask and out it over my face hahaha
@MattJammer
@MattJammer 6 жыл бұрын
I love the phrase "Whoops! I'm a hell man!" Like it was an unintentional choice to become terrifying. :D
@noises895
@noises895 6 жыл бұрын
RIP Stan lee, you will always be remembered
@tigrezangel
@tigrezangel 6 жыл бұрын
This video is interesting. I liked the twist. But what's up with you injuring yourself in your videos? Are you just showing off your make up skills? But now, I always find interesting how some people see conspiracies and cover ups in everything and forgetting or ignoring that sometimes coincidences do happen. In a technical aspect, I also appreciate all the effort you put into your videos. They are not only well written but also well directed and edited. A video essay about comics should be as fun as the comics themselves. That's one of the reasons why I always enjoy your videos.🙂👍
@jonseyjones321
@jonseyjones321 6 жыл бұрын
Possibly when Kirby created his design for Spider-Man, he could have subconsciously taken aspect from the Ben Cooper one? When Lee was not happy with this gave the task to Ditko, and with It a copy of Kirby's as to what he didn't want and from that Ditko could have come up with his own design, Incorporating aspects of Kirby's, as well as his own. This could explain why Kirby feels the need to say "I" created Spider-Man. The few aspects, maybe say, a Spider logo on the chest or the layout of the suit, or even the whole costume was taken from Kirby, and Ditko just drew It apon a slimmer, athletic built character, Instead of the bruting, hero physique Kirby had drawn. It could all be coincidental as well. There are only so many ways to design a spider man. So the Ben Cooper costume may not have even had a relation to the creation of Marvels Spider-Man and for easier legal reasons and to make some money off royalties, struck a deal with Ben Cooper when approached about a costume with a similar design. Either way, If Kirby never took Inspiration or coincidentally took aspects of It, my theory can still hold up to as why Kirby feels he had created Spider-Man
@Clay3613
@Clay3613 6 жыл бұрын
Kirby's looked more like a knock-off Batman.
@michaellapalme1198
@michaellapalme1198 6 жыл бұрын
The kind of video I’ll come back to 5 years from now and enjoy all over again. Thank you for another one.
@Lowqy
@Lowqy 5 жыл бұрын
Dude I love how you edit the whole folder throw scenes are so dope and your funny af. First video I’ve seen of yours. New sub.
@adamcomma
@adamcomma 6 жыл бұрын
I wish there was some more leaked venom 2018 footage
@123rudyc
@123rudyc 6 жыл бұрын
Steve Ditko vs Jack kirby?! Steve Ditko is my favorite comic book artist.
@michaelhughes8057
@michaelhughes8057 2 жыл бұрын
Kirby stated in the TPB reprinting The Fly Comics from the '50's, when he suggested a name for The Fly, to Joe Simon, he originally suggested Spider-man, but they settled on The Fly. Also, Lee in his book Origins of Marvel Comics, he wrote he based Spider-man on a Pulp Superhero, The Spider: Master of Men. Also, Lee later said he also got the idea for Spider-man when he was sitting in his room, and he saw a fly climbing up a window. Jack Kirby related this same account in the introduction of the TPB Book reprinting the mid-1950's The Fly Comics. However, when Lee was later asked about this, he said he couldn't recall saying it? Go figure it!😀😃
@michaelhughes8057
@michaelhughes8057 2 жыл бұрын
Correction. In the Introduction to the TPB reprinting The Fly Comics of the mid 1950'a, when Joe Simon and Jack Kirby were trying to think up a name for a new Superhero @ their Studio, Kirby suggested the name, "Spider-man". They both later decided to name their new Superhero, Tbe Fly because, of course, that's what their new Superhero's costume looked like.
@timsmythfilmsandanimations
@timsmythfilmsandanimations 3 жыл бұрын
I think Stan said he was inspired by a fly crawling up the wall, not a Spider. I have a feeling that Jack probably brought the entire idea to Stan, including the Spiderman logo by Simon. Once Stan found out that the whole idea was taken from the Fly, he took the Kirby pages from Ditko, and they were never seen again. Stan also claimed he searched for an artist to replace Kirby on the project, and picked Ditko, but Ditko was already the artist of that magazine, and was already tapped to do the inks, so that search didn't seem too hard. It could be that Jack was jut too busy, and Stan had to start over, I don't think it was because his hero was too manly. Stan probably did come up with the new plot, which was pretty much the same as the Hulk, and gave a written synopsis to Ditko as the new artist. Kirby did draw the finished cover, but it was based on Ditko's rejected cover. Ben Cooper probably saw an issue of Spider-Man and went to Marvel to make a deal. It is as unlikely that Ditko ever saw one of Ben's costumes as it is likely. So that is a big assumption, as is Kirby who working "maybe" at Ben Cooper's and "maybe" designed the costume. Ditko's roommate claimed that Ditko designed the costume. Joe Simon's, Kirby's, and Ditko's accounts all add up, only Stan's does not match. This is the same answer I gave the other video.
@followthewhiterabbit2549
@followthewhiterabbit2549 3 жыл бұрын
You are right, Jack Kirby triggered the idea of Spider-Man with his character "The Fly" to Stan Lee. Stan Lee always say that he came up with the idea of Spider-Man when he saw a fly on the wall, THAT'S A LIE ! Why not admit that the inspiration of Spider-Man was "The Fly" of Jack Kirby ? In Robyn Snyder's History of Comics, Volume 1, No.5 Steve Ditko said... Stan said Spider-Man would be a teenager with a magic ring which could transform him into a an adult hero... I said it sounded like the Fly, which Joe Simon had done for Archie Publications. Stan called Jack about it but I don't know what was discussed. I never talk to Jack about Spider-Man, so I don't know what his ideas concerning the character actually were. Later, at some point I was given the job of drawing Spider-Man. Why, exactly? Stan and Jack also have to clear that up. he also said... "Who first came up with the specific name, Spider-Man, is for Stan and Jack to resolve."
@EgyptianChiefKeef
@EgyptianChiefKeef 3 жыл бұрын
@@followthewhiterabbit2549 actually, no, here is what I think and it actually makes a lot more sense. I think stan lee saying he got inspiration from a fly crawling on a wall confused him. Considering that was 50-60 years ago. I think he actually took inspiration from the character the fly and started coming up with names like bug man and mosquito man before settling with spider-man. He went and showed it to jack Kirby knowing he co-created the character, then Jack Kirby made it look like pulp fiction and gave him a web gun to be like his creation. Stan Lee decided to go to steve Ditko instead, together, they made some changes and the character spider-man was born. I think this makes much more sense.
@followthewhiterabbit2549
@followthewhiterabbit2549 3 жыл бұрын
@@EgyptianChiefKeef Steve Ditko said... "Who first came up with the specific name, Spider-Man, is for Stan and Jack to resolve."
@cruzibarra9660
@cruzibarra9660 5 жыл бұрын
Honeslty your videos are under valued. The amount of effort gone into the research to find this information all the while making it cinematically appealing and actually getting ahold of a 1970 costume is just amazing. You deserve more views for this much effort
@joeworpole2295
@joeworpole2295 6 жыл бұрын
I’ve been watching since the dawn of comic misconceptions and my god your videos have evolved into something amazing
@outpostalpha
@outpostalpha 6 жыл бұрын
Scott. Obviously Jack Kirby was inspired by the design of the 30's pulp hero Spider costume when designing the Ben Cooper Spider-Man costume in the 50's, which in turn inspired Steve Ditko in the 60's, and since Ben Cooper didn't want to admit ripping off their costume in the first place, they agreed to produce the Marvel Spider-Man costume instead of putting Marvel to task for ripping off their rip-off. Obvious. Duh. Way more plausible than your "webs are an obvious design element for a spider-based hero" argument. JK, of course. Great video!
@darklordbob1868
@darklordbob1868 Жыл бұрын
Jack Kirby drew the first cover for AMAZING FANTASY # 15 (1962) the Mystery is solved! :P
@cammz05
@cammz05 6 жыл бұрын
I haven’t watched this channel in a long time, and, I’m impressed by how this channel has improved!
@Dan_Tasty
@Dan_Tasty 6 жыл бұрын
I haven't seen a Nerdsync video in about a year. Your production value and screen confidence has gotten so much better, love your work ;D
@maxiboy8217
@maxiboy8217 5 жыл бұрын
Kirby made spider man. Woah
@elcapitanamazing8687
@elcapitanamazing8687 6 жыл бұрын
I will now be the 1954 Ben Cooper Spider-Man on Halloween now, thank you for introducing it to me, Scott
@braydoboss4090
@braydoboss4090 6 жыл бұрын
It's not who did it first, it's who did it BETTER
@TheNorthlander
@TheNorthlander 6 жыл бұрын
Dunno about the costume.. but the concept? Look up Spider-Queen, a female superhero from the 40's with web-shooters.
@youtubersworldwide3713
@youtubersworldwide3713 4 жыл бұрын
Look at Spider ,pulp hero From 1930 Also Batman copied from black bat
@BrunDawgie
@BrunDawgie 6 жыл бұрын
The glueing the mask on and taking it off part made me laugh so hard I had to stop the video to laugh. Hahahahaha
@bee-beargaming
@bee-beargaming 6 жыл бұрын
Wow that costume must be a collector item now. Really interesting vid.
@ComedianBobFarrell
@ComedianBobFarrell 6 жыл бұрын
Interestingly enough, World Championship Wrestling had a character named "Arachnid Man" that had the colors of the original Ben Cooper costume. Marvel sent WCW a cease and desist letter and the character disappeared.
@MrYTGuy1
@MrYTGuy1 6 жыл бұрын
A bunch of proof and evidence is what he asked for when being shown evidence that the design predates his own. Just say it heavily inspired you. no one believes you when that's your reply. It sounds like a lawyer wrote it rather than a man who wants to honestly clear something up. I'm sorry but I count that sorry excuse of a reply as a piece of evidence that supports the idea that he was inspired by the costume.
@60quidplustax76
@60quidplustax76 6 жыл бұрын
But that really isn't evidence, all that was "copied" was the webbing design on the costume
@60quidplustax76
@60quidplustax76 6 жыл бұрын
@Non-Ugandan Knuckles i'm talking about the design, which only copied the webbing
@urmomisurdad5422
@urmomisurdad5422 6 жыл бұрын
@@60quidplustax76 And the eyes, the black spider logo, the mask covering the face completely (not common for superheroes), even the black arms and legs vaguely resemble spider man's classic color scheme.
@60quidplustax76
@60quidplustax76 6 жыл бұрын
@@urmomisurdad5422 eyes' not really Logo'those are crawling spiders Mask covering'no, just seriously? Color scheme'not really
@60quidplustax76
@60quidplustax76 6 жыл бұрын
@Non-Ugandan Knuckles ideas?plural?the borrowed the webs, that's it, nothing else to spider queen than her powers
@ncmcchannel9214
@ncmcchannel9214 6 жыл бұрын
I’m here because of the Instagram live thingy
@jasonthecritic7086
@jasonthecritic7086 6 жыл бұрын
Ncmc Channel same
@NerdSyncProductions
@NerdSyncProductions 6 жыл бұрын
You're awesome!
@ncmcchannel9214
@ncmcchannel9214 6 жыл бұрын
NerdSync no u
@JimiRadcliff
@JimiRadcliff 6 жыл бұрын
You, sir, are on top of your game. Love the editing and your overall style. Thank you for putting in all the hard work.
@andrex1456
@andrex1456 6 жыл бұрын
Inspiration is everywhere. As an artist, I'm inspired by everything that surrounds me. Sometimes artists can rely a bit too heavily on the source material that inspired them sure but, nothing is totally original, and nothing is totally unoriginal
@camerongrow6426
@camerongrow6426 6 жыл бұрын
The Spider-Man visual gag was totally worth it
@lyndsaybrown8471
@lyndsaybrown8471 3 жыл бұрын
The fact that you two came up with the same idea for a video about two artists coming up with the same idea for a costume is pretty amazing.
@walteralvarez1408
@walteralvarez1408 6 жыл бұрын
That ending bit about the collaboration reminded me of the whole Ben Cooper Marvel first Suit Merch piece
@infermon
@infermon 6 жыл бұрын
It’s good to know bad Halloween costumes have always been a thing
@OneShotComicsTv
@OneShotComicsTv 6 жыл бұрын
Holy crap, Scott. It had been a while since I watched one of your videos. I don't know how, but the quality just kept getting higher! I'm kinda jealous, but at the same time I know I couldn't put so much energy into one video, so I'm really glad someone does! I'll just keep livestreaming. Cheers from Mexico. :D
@InsidiousOne
@InsidiousOne 6 жыл бұрын
Those Halloween costumes look horrifying. In a bad way.
@raggarharry9765
@raggarharry9765 6 жыл бұрын
Steve Ditko died back in June this year. I dident even notice it until last week. Rest in peace Steve.
@toyhunter2903
@toyhunter2903 6 жыл бұрын
Wolverine creator died in 2017 and nobody cares neither. For 99% of Marvel fans Stan Lee created all and he is the only that matters.
@DocReasonable
@DocReasonable 2 жыл бұрын
If Stan Lee didn't like Kirby's version of Spider-Man, I wonder why he got Kirby to draw the covers for both Amazing Fantasy #15 AND Amazing Spider-Man #1?
@inexfan89
@inexfan89 6 жыл бұрын
I really dig where your videos are headed lately. The quality really went up and it shows. Keep it up!
@ngocminhvu175
@ngocminhvu175 6 жыл бұрын
Welcome back!
@harrykirkham220
@harrykirkham220 6 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry Scott, but I lost it when you said "cherry red and cobalt blue", IT WAS ORIGINALLY RED AND BLACK GODDAMNIT or at least i think it is, am i wrong?
@darkhearsttoys5224
@darkhearsttoys5224 6 жыл бұрын
You are right. He only had blue as shading, which eventually evolved into being his actual costume.
@sebastianmaregatti
@sebastianmaregatti 6 жыл бұрын
Darkhearst Toys yep a similar problem like the hulk skin tone,the marvel printers couldn’t handle a pure black colour until the late 80s which is why Spider-Man 2099 also looked like blue
@205mohamad
@205mohamad 6 жыл бұрын
Sebastian Maregatti well that isn’t totally accurate, the reason Spider-Man 2099 was blue was because it was supposed to contrast the city lights, that’s why it’s the black is usually colored by blue. I know with the 60s costume it was definitely meant to be black but cause of shading. My question is how come Black Bolt and Black Panther were able to be completely black (for the most part) then?
@milesparker557
@milesparker557 6 жыл бұрын
@@205mohamad maybe because they had black in the name people never had any confusion with the color of their costume even though black panther did look awfully blue sometimes.
@DanRamGim
@DanRamGim 6 жыл бұрын
Everyone that loves comics know that stan lee is a thief and a liar, and everyone loves him for that
@Saufe_Serva
@Saufe_Serva 4 жыл бұрын
Whats the comic? 0:31-0:41
@followthewhiterabbit2549
@followthewhiterabbit2549 4 жыл бұрын
Looks like a recent (modern) comic that not represent the real facts. That comic only shows Stan Lee's version of the story. What about Jack Kirby's version or Steve Ditko's version of the story?
@jay__birdie
@jay__birdie 6 жыл бұрын
U know it's Halloween time when Scott puts the green lantern's lantern in the background and darkens the lighting.
@MaxMarriner
@MaxMarriner 6 жыл бұрын
Steve Ditko wrote sentences weird.
@SeekerLancer
@SeekerLancer 6 жыл бұрын
I just don't think there were many other ways to do a spider-themed hero outside of covering him with webs.
@faithrider94
@faithrider94 6 жыл бұрын
Welcome back! This video was awesome!
@jinnbs414
@jinnbs414 6 жыл бұрын
I love how your videos look amazing! Also, they're informative, engaging and interesting.
@rn6312
@rn6312 2 жыл бұрын
I had a Ben Cooper Spidey costume back in the late 70s for Halloween.
@mechajay3358
@mechajay3358 6 жыл бұрын
The age old phras: _Great Artist Steal_ take on a new meaning.
@Phantom9252
@Phantom9252 6 жыл бұрын
I actually saw this a few years back when I got into a flame war with someone who pulled this out as 'proof' that Stan Lee deserves no credit for creating Spider-Man. Part of his larger point that Stan is 'a charlatan who stole credit.' He pretty much thought only Jack Kirby created anything ever. The two outfits are barely anything alike anyway, we only see similarities because we are looking at them with hindsight. Marvel should totally bring back the Marvel/Ben Cooper hybrid Spider-Man design for a villain or something.
@Phantom9252
@Phantom9252 6 жыл бұрын
@Non-Ugandan Knuckles Hey look, there's another one. It never fails. Mention Kirby and these cultist conspiracy theorists come out of the woodwork. Kirby was amazing and did do a lot and I hope someday we can discuss him without having to deal with petty assholes like you.
@DeanJ2009
@DeanJ2009 6 жыл бұрын
@Non-Ugandan Knuckles nah there's way more to Spider-Man's success than the super hero premise. Peter Parker his life and the other character's in it is as important if not more than the powers/costume.
@belgiumcomics2537
@belgiumcomics2537 6 жыл бұрын
The part with the building that burned down gave me goosebumps
@soulstrong
@soulstrong 6 жыл бұрын
Love the new visual branding, @Nerdsync!
@agusontoro
@agusontoro 6 жыл бұрын
At 0:30, does anyone knows the name of the comic that appears?
@Giggeles
@Giggeles 6 жыл бұрын
Why is this filmed like a horror film?
@Mysterwright
@Mysterwright 6 жыл бұрын
Memo to Scotty: Nail Polish remover is your friend. Paint thinner. Acetone. It's supposed to make glue unstick from things.
@ThatOneDoesntCount
@ThatOneDoesntCount 6 жыл бұрын
I thought he was joking about the glue under the half mask. Holy crap. That would’ve hurt like hell.
@jimjimson5741
@jimjimson5741 5 жыл бұрын
SCOTT....quick question are you the voice actor for robin in teen titans go!?!?!?!?!?!
@kyle8087
@kyle8087 5 жыл бұрын
he's not
@jimjimson5741
@jimjimson5741 5 жыл бұрын
kyle your an idiot
@minecraftgravityguy
@minecraftgravityguy 6 жыл бұрын
man always making great content! Keep it up ethan we're proid of you! but really missed ya!
@Channel_EXE
@Channel_EXE 5 жыл бұрын
Kirby's hero was older than that. His Spidey had a genie and aliens.
@alexvaldivia1855
@alexvaldivia1855 6 жыл бұрын
Jesus the editing on this one. I love this channel so much
@weichiang89
@weichiang89 3 жыл бұрын
Jack is truly the king.
@michaelhughes8057
@michaelhughes8057 2 жыл бұрын
I remember as a kid I had the original Spider-man #3, and in that issue his costume was red and purple. Also, years later, I bought Strange Tales Annual #2, 1963 Issue, where Spider-man and The Torch first teamed up. In that story, his costume was colorful red and purple. In later appearances, of course, it was red & blue.
@SgtSupaman
@SgtSupaman 6 жыл бұрын
Most interesting part of the video was definitely learning that a Spider-Man costume was the first official Marvel merchandise.
@elaovi
@elaovi 6 жыл бұрын
Kirby’s just salty because Lee didn’t use his version of Spider-Man
@jairuswright6857
@jairuswright6857 6 жыл бұрын
Keep up the good work Scott. I’ve been watching these for a few years and I must say each video gets better and better. I look forward to your uploads. Keep being creative 👌🏿
@SylentEcho
@SylentEcho 6 жыл бұрын
Based on a ton of interviews, I believe Jack created the look, but drew him way too muscular, so Stan went to Ditko. Also, I wouldn't believe Stan Lee. Stan at some point said, he created Captain America, which he didn't, nor did he come up with any of the scripts and stories for the FF - the book that MADE Marvel in the 60s, or Thor, X-Men, or any of the others. All he did was "fancy up" the dialogue.
@toyhunter2903
@toyhunter2903 6 жыл бұрын
Stan Lee is the big scam in the comic industry. Jack did the product, Stan Lee sold it.
@pawlee77
@pawlee77 6 жыл бұрын
I wore that costume in 1981.
@Karls_Clips
@Karls_Clips 6 жыл бұрын
Hoping your face is ok scott, that kirby bit legit shocked me. Well done.
I found the worst comic book.
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