Did Paul Actually Write the Pauline Epistles?

[@moafro6524]

I knew I had to follow Dr. Ehrman when I found out that all the income from his blog goes directly to charity-something many overlook, but it’s a teaching of Jesus. Not to mention, I’ve learned so much from him.

[@howardmestas7522]

Megan love your hair and your glasses today

[@Dizzinator2114]

Exactly what made me sign up for his blog years ago. When I heard him say that I just felt better about signing up for it even if I didn’t read it everyday.

[@Bronco541]

A teaching of Jesus that most "Christians" i know dont follow. Its precisley why i left the faith and feel morally better for doing so.

[@moafro6524]

@ interesting. How does someone else not living up to what they’re supposed to do make you abandon your faith completely? There must be more to it than that.

[@Ematched]

@@moafro6524I imagine they realized there’s no causal relationship between religious affiliation and moral virtue. Once people realize they don’t need to believe in a god to be a good person, many see the god concept as superfluous.

[@BunnyWatson-k1w]

I watch these podcasts for another reason besides educational ones. I always love to see which eye glass frames Megan will be wearing each week.

[@kpopidol-o4q]

😂😂😂

[@felixskinner111]

distracting

[@aresaurelian]

This show is just fantastic. Love both Bart and Megan. It is like being at the beginning of Christianity, every time. The salty air, the warm olive trees, the Tyre glass bathrooms without plumbing.

[@leandroz]

It’s always nice to open KZbin and find a fresh episode of this amazing show. Gracias Profe!

[@elias-tech]

Oooh, never before seen glasses. 👀 love the show!

[@pacificbob24]

I respect Bart Ehrman for his knowledge and integrity, and I appreciate Megan Lewis for her intellect, inquiring mind, hair, and glitzy glasses. They make a great team.

[@penlight5289]

Thank you guys for doing this much needed work

[@pdyt2009]

Nice glasses, Bart. Nice shirt and hair. I felt the need to add balance. :-)

[@AnnoyingNewsletters]

He's looking as dashing as ever 😁

[@jeffkunce8501]

😂 Sometimes we watched the news as a family when I was a kid. Afterwards, we would discuss the day's events. My grandmother never said much. Once, I asked her what she thought. She said, "Mr. Cronkite was wearing such a lovely tie."

[@Brascofarian]

Nice balance of not too showy and not too dull. Tasteful.

[@stuckinlodi100]

Bart's glasses are often more understated than his most learned observations. Surely there is a connection between the apparatus and the intellect? M.L is often striking as well.

[@duntrolling8876]

You’ve outdone yourself with those amazing Frames!!!

[@nuformzdesign]

This is one of my favorite shows on KZbin, I never miss an episode. Can you please release video on Spotify as well?

[@davidkeller6156]

This was just excellent and ties in nicely with the course on Acts that I attended last weekend.

[@scotthendrix9829]

The last two episodes I've noticed Bart and Meghan don't spend time chatting at the beginning of the episodes. I'm happy about this change, as I don't have to skip over the beginning of the video.

[@g.p.ryecroft]

My thoughts EXACTLY! Now if only she would give up the clown act with the glasses...!

[@jasonGamesMaster]

​@@g.p.ryecroft must be hard living with no sense of whimsy. As to the little chit chat at the beginning, Iiked it. Helped show them as normal people.

[@jakobstisen6366]

@@g.p.ryecroft She can do what she want to do.

[@DigitalHammurabi]

@@g.p.ryecroft Not going to happen, friend :)

[@gibbano101]

what's the deal tho? 😂​@DigitalHammurabi

[@jamie5mauser]

Thank you for going right into the topic and skipping the 8 minutes of small talk!❤

[@zdzislawmeglicki2262]

The Temple was The Mall. It was the centre of commerce and entertainment, as were Church markets in the Medieval Europe and as are shopping malls in modern cities. The Jerusalem Temple was where people and businesses converged, all drawn by butchering of animals offered to YHWH. And the Jerusalem Temple was not the only one. The Temple of Artemis in Ephesus was even more so, as were Karnak, Pantheon, Parthenon, Nymphaeum, Temples of Baalbek, and more…

[@Palimbacchius]

And St Paul's churchyard in Shakespeare's day.

[@Incredabad1337]

Very excited for next week’s episode!

[@andrelegeant88]

Given the likely number of lost letters, it is very possible (if not plausible) that many of the surviving pseudepigraphic letters reflect the teachings of Paul as understood by those churches. Which is why the doctrine may not line up perfectly but certainly appears so similar and compatible that early Christians believed them all authentic.

[@johnmulvey7890]

@@andrelegeant88 Sorry. I think this is inventing a reason in order to support the insupportable.

[@andrelegeant88]

@@johnmulvey7890 It isn't unsupportable. The doctrine of the Pauline letters collectively is clearly reconcilable, hence why Church Fathers deemed them authentic. The pseudepigraphic ones differ in style, circumstances, or show an evolution of theology beyond Paul's own. We see in Second Corinthians, however, that the churches were absolutely combining and synthesizing legitimate writings of Paul, with the originals then lost.

[@johnmulvey7890]

@andrelegeant88 Probably, Romans is a combination of a number of separate texts.

[@evelynmoyer9069]

noticing the stripes : large versus small, horizontal versus vertical, as I listen to the content

[@elektrikmaus]

Noooo, now I can’t unsee 😂

[@robbabcock_]

As always, fascinating and educational!

[@longcastle4863]

27:54.. Great question and something I’ve often wondered about. For example, I’ve often also wondered if scholars thinks that some of the gospels that did not make it into the Bible nevertheless do contain some true facts about the historical Jesus and his ministry.

[@richunixunix3313]

I guess you and my daughter were talking she has the same type of silly glasses. Good video nice subject there’s a lot to learn from it.

[@PeterSchmuttermaier]

Oooh! Where can we get the Ishtar gate print in Megan's background??

[@JillMorgan-b7y]

I saw a print you can buy of the Istar gate on a website called Allposters.

[@islandofmisfityoutubers6734]

Very interesting. Thank you

[@happybeejv]

Joseph smith, paul/saul and noble timothy drew ali walk into a bar, And they tripped over it because it was low

[@AnnoyingNewsletters]

Don't forget Muhammad. Same grift; same source material; different era

[@oker59]

I like Robert Price's "The Amazing Colossal Apostle" account of Paul and his writings.

[@oker59]

Well, Robert Price more or less dismisses Paul of Tarsus as a Christianized Appolonius of Tyana. But, Kenneth Humphries shows quite a lot about the correspondence between Pau of Tarsus and Appolonius of Tyana. So, I recommend those two books.

[@kulturkriget]

@@oker59 Sounds interesting. I've always had a suspicion that Apollonius were a mythologized Paul.

[@oker59]

@@kulturkriget Paul of Tarsus is certainly a symbolic figure that combines many different individuals - Simon of Magus/Apollonius of Tyana, a Herodian(in Romans 16:11 he calls himself a Herodian)

[@Darisiabgal7573]

@@oker59Apollonius of Tirana was a neopathagorean. Yes the same group that gave us the square root of two. Pythagoras actually faked his own death, went on a sabatical and then returned. Resurrected😎. Price is a nutty as Pythagoras.

[@ferrantepallas]

I must say something rather heretical, but I believe that Paul did a great deal of work that was anti-Jesus in spirit and I could never swallow his vision on the road to Damascus.

[@pigemperor]

Scum Of the worst kind.

[@mannymann321]

Would you say anti-christ?

[@alextakhmasian1880]

What do you mean by anti-Jesus?

[@ferrantepallas]

@@alextakhmasian1880 In Pauls' writings, he quotes almost nothing from Jesus's sayings ... his focus is on belief in the resurrection, but very little if anything about what Jesus actually taught. I think Bart has done a show on this at some point, contrasting Paul with James.

[@Darisiabgal7573]

@@mannymann321Paul practically labels James and his watchers the Anti-Christ. The difference between Jesus and Christ was Jesus was a Jew who died. Christ was Paul’s imagination of a sacrifice to god that was accepted and was free to become the messiah in a second kind of body. Christ is from the Greek Xristos, which means the rubbed one. Obviously his anointment to Paul was a heavenly one. This is mysticism heavily flavored with Hekhalot, as we see in 2 cor 12.

[@robertjimenez5984]

There is a question that is not addressed here. Do we have the original letters? Bart say that we have letters written by Paul’s hand. Do we? Do we have the original letters? Or are we basing all the assumptions on hand copies of copies that could have been altered?

[@perilousrange]

Bits and pieces exist. Unknown if any true originals. Furthermore, lots of content only exists in what are most certainly "later copies". I've spend a long time obsessing over one particular verse which I despise. I've found that the earliest papyrus copy of (some of it) dates to 200-400. Romans is generally assumed to be written around 60 AD. So, the earlier papyrus (of that section) is quite a bit older than the generally agreed date of writing. So, to answer your question in the most honest way that I can... We most certainly don't have solid, complete originals.

[@BluePhoenix476513]

I love this channel but I tune in sometimes to see when Megan will upgrade to glasses with Xmas lights.

[@davidmarsh5274]

Misquoting Jesus is such an excellent podcast. Thank you so much. I'm not a believer, but I grew up in an Anglican environment so it's important for me to understand the texts and beliefs that have so greatly influenced, for better or worse, the history of the Christian world. Megan Lewis’s thoughtful and articulate questioning and Bart Ehrman’s scholarly explanations are invaluable.

[@RandiRain]

See right there... You two were surprised how many people watch the show instead of just listening to it. How are we to be delighted by Megan's glasses by just listening to it?

[@pazley612]

Great episode!

[@luizr.5599]

I love Megan. I love serious scholarship.

[@Anointed-n6q]

Love Megan's glasses. So cool. There is evidence in the Torah that Melchizadekian Presence bread contained hash infused olive oil and psilocybin fungi fine flour and wheat flour. Working on a book to lay out the evidence. The Early Christains broke Melchizadekian Presence bread from house to house getting filled with Holy Spirit and it says they ALL SPAKE THE WORD OF GOD WITH BOLDNESS. Thank you, Bart. Thank you, Megan. Appreciate both of you and your work.

[@welcometonebalia]

Thank you.

[@BeckyM-ym9nq]

Thank you

[@anotherview7937]

I'm not sure if it has been done but would love a discussion on the Magi. Always been fascinated by them since a kid. I think their inclusion in Matthew was genius in the sense of bestowing majesty and deference on the newborn Jesus. But there is something intriguing about the whole world they introduce on the edges of the new testament.

[@jscire__872]

Wohoo new glasses! 🤩 That being said, thank you for creating this podcast! This provides so much important information and historical context to these religious texts that really, for the most part, *should* be common knowledge for people to fully comprehend these faiths that are currently related to these texts. Especially given how societally and culturally influencial they have been and still are. Regadless of whether people believe in a higher power themselves, better understanding would enable people to make more conscious decisions when it comes to these topics

[@imikewillrockyou]

It's possible that some of disputed letters attributed to Paul were originally written by a legitimate leader of the early Christian movement and were later altered to look like Paul wrote them to add more authority to them.

[@SteveFergBitbucket]

It is possible, of course. It is also possible that the letters were written by visiting Martians. But lacking any evidence, speculation of this sort is pointless.

[@imikewillrockyou]

​@@SteveFergBitbucket Well, I disagree, because there is zero evidence Martians wrote them, and we know these documents came from the early Christian movement and they contain theology that is consistent with Paul and Jesus.

[@kellymiller7986]

I think John wrote them. Maybe George, but probably not Ringo.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

I heard about Saint Paul. He was a weird guy who convinced himself and his followers that his brain was delivering secret messages from beyond.

[@restjbo]

Where does it say that he received direct revelations?

[@DaveCM]

​@restjbo well, he claimed to have knowledge from God. He asserted that he knew what God wanted and demanded. Even in this video, Dr. Erhman stated that Paul was told by God that pagans could worship Jesus. Paul claimed to have had visions from God. Paul was supposedly converted in an experience with God.

[@pineapplepenumbra]

Yep, just like mahommed. The vast majority of the world have fallen for the con of two madmen.

[@DaveCM]

@DavidJohnRedwood "as is supposed : according to what is or was said, claimed, or believed by some." Also, "according to what is generally assumed or believed (often used to indicate that the speaker doubts the truth of the statement)." I purposely used that words because I don't believe the visions actually occurred. If they did, I don't believe they were from a god.

[@MusicalRaichu]

wth!? he claimed the resurrected Jesus appeared to him and spoke to him, appointing him an apostle to the gentiles. That's it, no secret messages, no mental voices, just Jesus appeared and spoke to him.

[@MH55YT]

A week or two ago, Bart recommended the Anchor Biblical Dictionary. I bought these six very expensive books, even though I couldn't afford them. Now I'm going to give this dictionary a review. The font size is so small I can't read them without a magnifying glass. This dictionary must be very extensive due to the small font and high number of pages. I'm not sure I'll be able to utilize it. To be fair, I'm an old man with only one eye. But that eye works fine. Even if the font was twice as big, it would be a challenge to read. I'll try to use it for research, but it might be difficult.

[@hantms]

On the topic of divorce.. That may be considered bad in the context of 1st century Judea. If a man dumps his wife to get a new one, probably younger, then that's potentially devastating for the woman left behind, without funds, without a husband. That's akin to adultery, I can see that. But fast forward 2000 years and we really don't have the same situation anymore, where we know that there are extremely good reasons why it's better to divorce for everyone involved. Plus nobody is left destitute in the process. It's a teaching that doesn't transfer well to the present day without understanding the historical context.

[@fepeerreview3150]

2:20 "It's better to believe in reality than in non-reality." Very true! And when we're faced with questions which we lack the information to answer, it's best to admit that in those situations we simply _don't know._ Given the almost complete lack of record keeping during the first 2 centuries CE, the known forging of texts, assignments of names as authorship long after the fact, the re-writing, the translating, etc. I don't see how we can be completely confident "Paul", whoever he was, wrote any of the letters, or that the letters we have from the 3rd and 4th century surviving texts are in fact the letters he wrote, if he indeed wrote some. To me the rational and honest thing to do is to give only so much confidence to our conclusions as the evidence warrants, no matter how tempted we might be to present a complete story.

[@wemf2]

It feels like circumstantial evidences built upon more circumstantial evidences. How much do we know whether these writings were not actually shared amongst the early churches in Paul's lifetime, or the lifetimes of people like Timothy and Titus?

[@JillMorgan-b7y]

I have been fascinated with Paul since he was a figure on the flannel board at Sunday School.

[@Cousin676]

Brilliant, did I say BRILLIANT ❤

[@danielmalinen6337]

There has been an ongoing battle on Wikipedia over which letters can be count as authentic Pauline letters. Some favor the traditional seven epistles and some favor Erhman's more limited proposal, arguing that Erhman is the most recent and freshest consensus.

[@alexcanduci3824]

The importance of Ephesians cannot be overstated in terms of the Reformation. It was the cornerstone of Luther's understanding of justification and predestination. Ironic of course that his desire to reorient the Church away from Aquinas and Aristotle towards Paul was centred on a book that was not written by Paul and contradictory to the actual Paul's message in many ways...

[@wemf2]

Erm... 1 Cor, which supposedly is a confirmed letter from Paul, also has verses that suggests that women should keep silent in congregation. The context is different, but I would not find it a stretch to think that the writer of 1 Tim and 1 Cor had similar complementarian ideas about women's role in the body.

[@johnmulvey7890]

Many believe that verses were added to Corinthians to make it support a certain anti woman viewpoint, which was not his general opinion.

[@joshuapena6757]

Apparently the exact place those words appear in 1 Cor varies between manuscripts, leading some to believe it was not the in the original text, but was added as a note in the margin. Later on, when the text was copied, the margin note was copied into different places in the text.

[@danielmalinen6337]

Or if you read it in context and frame, then the passage in question talks about order and turns, so it can be seen that the writer of the letter meant to talking over someone else and Interrupting, especially since elsewhere in the same letter women are allowed to speak and teach. Originally, the letter was intended to be read as a whole, from beginning to end, and the verse numbers are only a later addition to make it easier to find certain passages.

[@jjschereriv]

Megan, this one is for YOU: After following Bart for almost a many years as he's been online, it has become clear to me the crucial role YOU play in his impact. I wish you would create a segment -- maybe on the side -- on 'How to Interview a KZbin Content=Provider'. . . I'm serious. For you, Bart: my MDiv Thesis in 1970 was titled 'How Does a Gospel Mean? An Exegetical Method for the New Hermeneutic'. (I think I got a 'A' on the title. . .) Since then, parallel to your own journey, the 'God' who lived in my cosmology back then just slipped away like the hard cocoon protecting the 'mush', leaving me with nothing to take his/her role. If you are moved to do so, I would love to hear you address this process: Who or what has taken the place of the divine being(s) alluded to in our biblical material in YOUR cosmology?

[@ru-nc2ot]

Ok, you're great but the glasses are an overstatement this time. You could even rock some pearl framed with side chains but you really don't have to do it

[@nomad100hd]

Doesn't it seem to be a contradiction for churches to preach that 1 Timothy is the word of God and still let women speak in church?

[@Plethorality]

Its a contradiction that they give it weight because its by paul, while knowing that paul did not write it. Yes. Women are to be heard. Nor false paul.

[@nomad100hd]

@@Plethorality To this day, I've never met a preacher who would admit that 1 Timothy wasn't written by Paul. Most Christians have never heard that it was a forgery, much less believe it.

[@kyleauthman]

​@@nomad100hd😂 true

[@Brascofarian]

OMG I just remembered Timmy Mallett.

[@Steve-u9k4p]

Mostly agree, although still think good case can be made for Colossians being the 8th genuine letters. Thank you for your knowlege.

[@Sojourning-e1n]

My main problem with Dr Ehrman is that I feel he ignores reasonable explanations. Like citing the change in tone between 1 Thess and 2 Thess, when in 2 Thess Paul was correcting an error held by that group, necessitating a change in tone. Or the "thief in the night" argument when it's possible Paul believed in two separate events as many Christians do today (rapture vs day of the Lord). In fact, on this 2nd point my guess would be that Ehrman was raised a post-tribulation rapturist and explains the bias he has in seeing these two events as one, ergo Paul didn't write both letters.

[@Dybbouk]

Difficult to discuss the subject without any reference to Marcion. But he just did.

[@mikeforbes7705]

Megan, definitely the oddest glasses so far.

[@VSP4591]

We have to admire the strength and tenacity to wear new glasses every podcast. I guess there is a big collection so far. Probably will be donated in the future. It is so difficult to have in a house so many glasses.

[@VSP4591]

@@Bob94390 yes, but we are on a podcast about the Bible not about glasses. It is somehow weird.

[@VSP4591]

@@Bob94390 ok!

[@freddiereadie30]

The bottomline question is, why do we need to accept and obey Paul in the first place? The common argument is that he was supposed to be "inspired by God". But what does inspired by God even mean? That's the problem. God never told people that Paul's letter to the Corinthians is supposed to be Holy. And if Paul's letters were inspired by God, how come some of them were pseudographical? Why would God inspire a fake author to pass himself as someone who is not really who he claims to be?

[@fepeerreview3150]

4:50 I'd like to ask how do we know who Paul is.

[@1979diazavenue]

Megan do u spend alot of money on those frames. R ur lenses prescription

[@onecalladay]

In catholic school it was explained that no one could commit the unforgivable sin. To do it, you had to understand what you were doing. If you understood what you were doing, you would not do it. That 1500 year headstart gave them an advantage...

[@diannerenn4726]

How cool would it be to find missing letters?

[@lsdowdle]

Man, those glasses need a big "2025" on top of them for New Years.

[@integrationalpolytheism]

13:03 - hey, it's James and John the sons of Zebedee! What are they doing in an advert about Peter and Paul?

[@rbaxter286]

It's always so interesting that if Paul had not had some secular and cultural coherence for usage by some particular social groups, he'd have been discarded like any other Latter Day Apostle Who Never Really Met Jesus ..., excepting He Says So ... I listened to Sunday School teachers trying to reconcile Paul with ACTUAL gospels and realized there was really a disconnect ..., but the teachers were really so earnest and were Authority Figures both in real life and in the tight-knit tribe of the church ...

[@howardmestas7522]

Catholic masses are cespools of "undisputed facts" of Paul's letters. I was forced to attend church until my mother died when I was 10 years old, and I have never stepped into a church since. I am 68 now and a proud atheist.

[@Funny1budgie]

Sir what made you an atheist? I a am 24 years old man and I am considering becoming believer but I would appreciate to hear experiences of someone who is wiser than me. Would you mind sharing the reason why you left catholicism?

[@howardmestas7522]

@@Funny1budgie First of all I grew up in a family that was very poor, however, the mantra of my Hispanic family was, well that's ok because your reward will be after you die. That felt so senseless to me, even as a child. It felt so self defeating that it's ok to accept your awful station in life over a belief system based on a religion developed at a time when a bat was thought to be a bird and a whale was a fish. Simple things brought into question when you learn basic science in 2nd grade. As I grew older it became clear that Hispanic people throughout Latin American countries were poorer because of a belief not much different than my poor mother's. Also there are too many screwed up things in the world to think that there is a just and caring invisible God. Sorry, I know I went longer than necessary.

[@Funny1budgie]

@@howardmestas7522 thank you for thoughtful answer. Yes religion is really a source of comfort for many people as it is for me. But as an atheist don't you feel weak and depressed during difficult times? Because when I lack faith I feel so powerless. But when I do believe in a God I feel like there is someone who cares and responds to my prayer and it gives me power. If religions are fake whar would be an alternative source foe comfort?

[@kencreten7308]

​@@Funny1budgiethere's no alternative if there is no God we simply have to face life the best we can. some people believe in a God or God's because it makes them feel better. I for one cannot do it just because it makes me feel better or less lonely or less alone in the universe. I think we need to make our own lives our own way our own path. and yes it's difficult.

[@WMedl]

I am an atheist too but I do not boast of having never since entered a church. Churches can be astonishing opera of arts and a mass can be consoling for atheist and preaches can be interesting too.

[@soyevquirsefron990]

Is there any external source saying that Saul was actually persecuting Christians? Modern Christians will say that Paul must have had a revelation to change from an enemy to a leader, but if he was actually not an enemy before he joined, he might embellish his backstory for exactly that reason.

[@PasteurizedLettuce]

People all the time genuinely change their mind, and in the case of Paul when they have what very much *sounds* like a seizure there can be personality changes and things. Or he just felt bad. Maybe he felt bad enforcing religious rules he didn’t even care about or agree with. Idk it just seems simpler to me than a whole cloth invention, because if someone says listen I used to kill you guys, but I saw a vision and now I think you’re great also your guy literally told me I’m great, you’re creating inherent hurtles for yourself within the spaces you want to occupy, much as we are all primed to accept this story of Paul, just like the story of Jesus *totally for real dying on purpose not at all just getting executed like any other messianic claimant of the time* it seems like something you’d be unlikely to make up yourself

[@janicelemasters7614]

Very interesting question!

[@MravacKid]

Come for the interesting subjects, stay for the fascinating glasses. :)

[@smeatonlighthouse4384]

Paul's eyes were a mess, so he got others to pen them for him, for example in the book of Romans, it was Tertius who penned it for Paul. (Romans ch. 16 v 22). When he wrote himself he told the recipient of the letter that it was with his own hand he wrote it.

[@ddreporter9852]

Where is 10th commandent? In Moses scroll ,have no law code and warning from Moses do not add anything..Check mate for christianity and judaizm jer 31:31

[@oker59]

Some stuff I've challenged Bart Ehrman a few times on his twitter, for which he's never replied is Roman's 3:7(Romans and Corinthians is basically the last two books that are genuine Pauline epistles if you read Robert Price's "The Amazing Colossal Apostle") where "Paul" admits he lies for the faith(and there's other passages in the "Pauline Epistles" where he says he used guile to convert people and lied). Basically, Paul of Tarsus disqualifies his account of Jesus Christ by admitting that he lies about it all! Not only that, but in Romans 11:32, we see that Jesus is just a trick to make you believe. "For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all." - Romans 11:32 This shows Jesus Christ is just like the hell concept used to keep people in line. "Be a good person, or you are going to hell."

[@bryanmorwood]

Megan should have asked, 'Of the six pseudepigraphic letters, are any of them written by the same person?'

[@YrocRetsewreed]

Love the show per usual. The choice of eye glasses is a bit distracting and, by all means, hideous. Looking forward to next weeks episode. Thanks

[@DigitalHammurabi]

Wait til you see next week's frames!

[@YrocRetsewreed]

@DigitalHammurabi I am certainly looking forward to it.

[@nomad100hd]

Love the glasses Megan.

[@EvilKarateClown]

More letters of St. Paul would be great, but finding writings by non-orthodox early Christians would be even better.

[@frederickanderson1860]

You can say same with most historical documents

[@MikeKoss]

"Zeroth Corinthians"?

[@jebande]

an unusual amount of ads today.....

[@philsphan4414]

If he did write Ephesians, don’t you have to give him Colossians as one seems to copy the other?

[@hippopotamus6765]

Isn't Paul, Marcion's alter ego?

[@ChristopherMoore-e8i]

Did Megan not see her right eye black dot?

[@jaqmart]

Bart's supercilious guffaw grates - an axe to grind.

[@dunk_law]

Don't you mean the letters that Maricon actually used?

[@hotstove9]

In Corinthians Paul speaks the same way about women as he does in Timothy

[@toonmoene8757]

0th Corinthians ?

[@rascalkr4967]

Those novelty specs are the reason I'm only 'listening' to this podcast.

[@hellofranky99]

I swear, Megan has more pairs of glasses than I have T-shirts.

[@rpoorbaugh]

11:19

[@welcometonebalia]

I don't know, but he did write Hey Jude.

[@lesbendo6363]

Megan, I see you have been listening to some Elton John music 😂🇨🇦

[@crimson90]

Both second AND first Corinthians are amalgamations of letters.

[@komaichan99]

The epistles of Paul and Seneca are true, or at least it is true that they existed. In fact, Seneca became monotheistic in his later years.

[@davidknapp4491]

The Essene Community pre-dates Jesus and had their own version of a “messiah” who was twofold in nature (one was a “warrior” king, the other was a “spiritual” king. The Jewish Christian sect that came later had their own messiah-Yeshua! Like Pilotus said “Messiahs by the sackful! Along comes Paul!

[@stephenmcmahon5704]

Megan is class, a born duchess

[@barnsweb52]

Leave it to Bart to say he understood the crazymaker Paul.

[@JasonBuckman]

e² = (mc²)² + (pc)²

[@kimchan6887]

Paul did not meet Jesus and was not trained by him before Jesus died. How could he convince people that he got the right teaching of Jesus?

[@WayWalker3]

By making stuff up. Simple.

When the Greeks conquered Kemet which they called Egypt. They created a hybrid parental deity in order to combine Egyptian mythology with Greek mythology. So they combined the Egyptian God Thoth with the Greek God Hermes. They called him Hermes Trismegistus III. Who was known as… “The Thrice Great.” He was famous for triumphing over the season of death. Which is what the number 3 almost always symbolizes in World Mythology. Isn't this what the Flavian Dynasty did after conquering the Jews? Didn't they create a new hybrid form of Greco-Roman Judaism? To integrate Jewish mythology with Greco-Roman mythology? Calling him… “Jesus The Christ.” Who is also famous for triumphing over the season of death. As represented by… “The Trinity.” Isn't this a better explanation for the origins of Christianity rather than Harry Houdini magic? Wasn't Paul secretly working for the Flavian Dynasty? Weren't all of the original Roman Catholic Saints' members of the Flavian Dynasty? Weren't all of the original symbols used by the earliest Christians identical to those of the Flavian Dynasty? And wasn't the earliest iconographic image of Jesus The Christ, in a catacomb, under the city of Rome, which was owned by a Flavian Princess? Weren't all of the original Jesus cult texts produced under the oversight of the Flavian Dynasty? Didn't the Flavian Dynasty posses the only remaining copy of the Hebrew Tanakh other than the Greek Septuagint translation? Isn't there Flavian typology in the Gospels? Weren't the canonical texts all back dated like the historical fiction of Gone With The Wind? Wasn't Emperor Vespasian known as the Jewish Messiah? Wasn’t Pope Clement of Rome a Flavian? Wasn't Josephus a temple whore for the Flavian Dynasty? Weren't the Flavian’s, as well as Paul, descended from King Herod? There was no separation of Church and State in the Roman Empire. And Christianity is clearly a Greco-Roman hybrid form of Judaism created by the Flavian Dynasty. As an attempt to adapt, pacify, and integrate the rebellious and defiant Jews into the rest of the Greco-Roman Empire. Just like the Greeks created Hermes Trismegistus III to integrate Egyptian mythology with Greek mythology. Then finally Neo-Flavian Constantine chose the Flavian family religion to be the official religion of the entire Roman Empire. In order to consolidate power in his seriously fractured Empire. And then Eusebius edited and rewrote the history of the previous 3OO years. Destroying all contradictory evidence. Such as all of the non-canonical Jesus cult texts. It isn't history it is all simply Greco-Roman mythopoetic literature. Today it is known as Historical Fiction. “What profit hath not this fable of Christ brought us.” Pope Leo X 💙

[@semproblemas8634]

R G Price argues that Jesus was a literary device inspired by the letters of Paul.

[@CasperLCat]

Ephesians and Colossians are the main sources of the high Christology of what became orthodox Christian theology, both Catholic and Protestant/evangelical. If Paul DIDN’T write them, Christian theology has been on a VERY dubious historical footing, ever since the 1st century.

[@MohamedShou]

Those glasses are looking more elaborate 😂