❓ Did the Vatican change the words of Consecration for Pentecost Mass 2024❓

[@SmithsnMoz]

Thank you for defending the Catholic faith! 🙏

[@sheiladumigan451]

❤

[@Hope_Boat]

Saint John Chrysostome was orthodox.

[@joeberkemeier5904]

Make the Church Latin Again. Language and its translation matters.

[@seanmarshall7529]

Latin is a translation in itself... Use faith to guide you and love

[@badthomist5232]

The fact that language and translation matters contraindicates Latin being the language to return to rather than, say, Koine Greek.

[@seanmarshall7529]

@@badthomist5232 8 letto returning to the masses of faithful who will be saved without ever having opened up s bible. They used faith to gain knowledge from another faithful to accept and acknowledge Anna again Christ our Lord and Savior, The devil less in the details.. if one word overpowers you, give it some slack use leave and patience instead of brute intellectual power.. Oh I listened to the today said by Burke. The Latin her uses is like the Italian version , St John... But again keep Love alive he'll guide you will

[@marka5478]

Latin had the advantage over other languages in that it had fixed rules for spelling and grammar. Over the centuries, other languages also developed to the point that they to, had developed rules for spelling and grammar. Latin isn't a "magic" language.

[@badthomist5232]

@@seanmarshall7529 what are you saying about Jared Leto?

[@TygerBlueEyes]

I know one thing-you turn on the light and the roaches 🪳 scatter. Keep shining the light 💡 brother

[@djq9332]

Stick with tradition (One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic)

[@maddyproctor1443]

Christian and Universal ie God is calling everyone!

[@debbiefinton8774]

Thank you for informing me that the Croatian Mass at Medjugorje uses the Latin at Consecration, I have loved the Kyrie, the Sanctus, and Agnus Dei in the English Mass at Medjugorje! Here in the States, we used "for all" until Benedict changed it back to "for many". Look at Jesus in the Eucharist and surrender to Him. Pray for Our Lady's intentions!

[@sheiladumigan451]

Im so glad you are picking up on all this Robert so we're not completely blindsided 🙏❤️

[@cathmhaoil]

Satan wants to be enthroned on our altars and to take over our hearts. It's a simple as that.

[@SmithsnMoz]

A darkness is covering the World.... Remain A Catholic in a state of grace...PRAY THE HOLY ROSARY!!

[@NothosXXI]

@@SmithsnMoz Amen to that, friend!

[@maddyproctor1443]

@@SmithsnMoz A darkness is NOT covering the world - Jesus triumphed over death and sin. Glory be to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, as it was in the beginning is now and ever shall be world without end. Amen

[@SmithsnMoz]

@@maddyproctor1443 ... There's so much EVIL, you just won't admit it. Jesus Christ says to remain in Him, and that's what I'm striving to do .. including living in a State Of GRACE... Pray the HOLY Rosary 🙏. God Love you

[@maddyproctor1443]

@@SmithsnMoz God is bigger than we are - trust in him at all times. Take strength from our God. Turn to God and do not falter.

[@terrymuthoni4601]

Turbulent and uncertain times these are.....😢😢😢 Lord increase our faith! May we be able to stand strong and persevere to the end. Eucharistic Lord have mercy on us and the whole world. Its a wake up call for more reparation and reparation..... Time is running out really fast!

[@narissama8670]

Thank you for being on top of things within the Church, Mass and other areas, Robert. We need more people like you. God bless you abundantly. 🙏

[@adeodata6364]

😧 That is really scandalous and very dangerous. If they start messing with the words of consecration, there is no telling what the limit is 😭

[@terrymuthoni4601]

😢😢😢😢😢

[@RosemaryCannon-y9w]

They want to invalidate the consecration

[@NothosXXI]

A masonic interreligious service which ends, inspired by stan, it is his own worship and the worshiping of mankind... But God has other plans! So, those who want this will be confirmed by it, just as we, the Saints, are confirmed in Christ through the Apostolic Catholic Faith! Praise be to Jesus and Mary forever and ever!

[@joanholman3105]

Doesn’t that make the consecration invalid?

[@DavidRodriguez-er4rq]

@@joanholman3105 i think Marie-Julie Jahenny was told that the satanic schemers would take away consecration and communion.

[@harrietl2869]

Thanks for standing for the true Catholic Faith ❤

[@brendawilson9189]

God bless you for standing up for the true Roman Catholic Church !

[@marisolnnieves5424]

Words have meaning. Especially for God. He created everything through speech. JESUS is the Word. Words have mystical power. We must be careful. We know what is going on. Those who have eyes can see. It is not for all. It is for the elect!

[@NothosXXI]

Indeed. _Lex orandi lex credendi_ : "The law of prayer is the law of belief." That is why for those who want to destroy the Church and are at war against our Lord, the first thing they do is mess with the Liturgy. However, those who play around with God's Divine Worship soon discover its consequences... God Bless you, friend!

[@DavidRodriguez-er4rq]

@@NothosXXI soon everything will be relegated to nursery rhymes.

[@maddyproctor1443]

@@DavidRodriguez-er4rq That is ridiculous. Focus on God - don't be sidetracked

[@DavidRodriguez-er4rq]

@maddyproctor1443 not according to mystics like Marie-Julie Jahenny and others who said the church will be in eclipse and the consecration and communion will be gone. A likeness but not the real thing. Our Lady of Good Success said similar things.

[@maddyproctor1443]

@@DavidRodriguez-er4rq Who are these mystics? We need to pray for wisdom and discernment and not follow the flavour of the moment.

[@MexicanMashka]

Thank you for evangelizing us! Much appreciated, my brother in Christ from Texas U.S.A.

[@theherbalsanctuary811]

So, here is why so many go to tarot, yoga, new age counselors....it is because they don't trust the church anymore. I certainly don't at 60 yrs old, never thought I'd say that. However, during the pandemic when everything got shut down it was clear that our Bishops, Cardinals, The Pope and many priests don't believe in the real Prescence. If they did they would have told the government to go somewhere else, and they would be SCREAMING to us to come to Mass for the healing of the Eucharist that Jesus is HERE, don't take that jab if you don't want to, but come, come every day if you can, THE Healer is here. but they didn't. That spoke volumes! Back in the late 90's the flu was going around like fire up in Massachuesetts where I was living. They stopped the wine at Mass. I asked the priest why? if he and the Bishop was so 100% sure that Jesus was really present then why should we be afraid? He had no answer. At that point, I started to suspect that something was off and perhaps I had been duped my whole life, but I kept going to Mass. The trust is gone. If they lied about that, what else have they lied about is what people are thinking. I don't know how you get that credibility back.

[@taproot381]

Thanks be to God . Someone who came to the same conclusions as myself using the same reasoning. I went to the local Latin Mass but they have a picture of Bergoglio at the back of the church. I have rarely attended mass since . God bless you

[@carolereichert8844]

There is a prophecy that states when the words of consecration are changed then Jesus will not be present. We are required to do our part too. We must pray for our Church, our pope, the bishops, cardinals and priests. Whether we are trad or NO we must hold fast to the church and its truths. God is in control and these times were prophesied. We follow, the bible, the true magisterium, the cathechism and the 10 commandments. We do not get to pick and choose which rules we want to follow out of these. God says it is our job to pray for the clergy and holy vocations, well then that is what we must do. When the words of the consecration are changed then the church will have to go underground.

[@antonellalarson5327]

I understand you don’t trust the church, and that is perfectly fine. Your trust must be in God. So don’t bother with what your local priest or bishop say or do.... if they are in error it is on them, but you shouldn’t desert the Mass on their account because that it’s on you. You should attend Mass to partecipate in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, receive the Sacraments of Reconciliation and Communion. If your priest is causing scandal, if he is gone woke, try to find another church. I always remind myself that Catholics in African villages walk miles and miles, for some it is a 2 days journey to go to a Mass. That speaks volumes to me….

[@theherbalsanctuary811]

@antonellalarson5327 🙏thank you....I am humbled by words and your heart.

[@antonellalarson5327]

@@theherbalsanctuary811 I was very prompted to write these words . I think the Holy Spirit works in his people.. we just need to move ourselves out of His way

[@josephwagner3224]

That is why the church used a dead language, which never changes. Tutti fruiti. Yes, Robert,very valid observation! Thank you, sir.

[@Hope_Boat]

Greek is not a dead language ☦️

[@josephwagner3224]

The words of consecration are in Latin.. the Kyrie is the only place Greek is used and Hebrew is used in the Amen.

[@Hope_Boat]

@@josephwagner3224 Not in the orthodox Church though.

[@josephwagner3224]

@@Hope_Boat I'm not versed in the Orthodox liturgy. Latin rite, what l was referring to. :)

[@maddyproctor1443]

Read the story of Babel - and how it threw everyone into confusion and disarray. And this is what we are managing to do among ourselves here as we try to grapple with language - back to the Eucharist - what do you think that Jesus meant as he took the bread and the cup of wine? That is where we shall find our answer.

[@dermotquigley356]

I was brought up with the Traditional Latin Mass. The words of consecration, spoken silently by the priest, remain unchanged to this day. With regard to the Novus Ordo of Bugnini and Montini: well, it seems that the Ordo becomes more Novus all the time. Stick with the Mass that St. Joan of Arc knew, that St. Gregory the Great and Oliver Plunkett offered, that St. Pius V offered, that Leo XIII offered, that St. Maximilian Kolbe offered, that St. John Fisher was Martyred for.... Pope St. Pius V, pray for us. St. Joan of Arc, pray for us.

[@belynmejia5117]

The demonic push to change the words of consecration = invalid consecration = Jesus is not present & that's what the devil wants!!! Also, I went to a priest to let him know that during the consecration of the wine, the words are "for many" and NOT "for all" otherwise, the Eucharist would be invalid since both species have to be properly consecrated. In other words, you can't correctly consecrate one of the species and not the other. However, he told me that he was not in agreement with the change that was made & for the sake of love and inclusivity, he would continue to say, "for all." So if you want to attend a Mass that he is celebrating you will not be receiving Jesus in the Eucharist but instead, a symbol like any other Protestant church. I also attended this year's Holy Thursday Mass in which the host was made from flour, salt, and honey - neocatechumenals over here tend to make the bread in this fashion - but Canon Law says that the hosts are to be made using only 2 ingredients = flour and water. Again, obedience = love & when you don't want to obey, you don't want or know how to love, it is just pride taking over and making the Liturgy of the Word what you feel/want😢🙏❤️‍🔥🌹💮👼🙏🇺🇲

[@kfossi1986]

Thank you for making us aware of these details. This magisterium makes me very uneasy.

[@sharonmcgonegal44]

God bless you mightily, dear Robert !!!

[@andrewmcreynolds4677]

They are trying to make it not valid!

[@rosemaryarnold3918]

Exactly

[@maddyproctor1443]

Where do you get this from? Please let me know

[@andrewmcreynolds4677]

Mystic post and mother and refuge of the end times

[@maddyproctor1443]

Jesus warned us about false prophets@@andrewmcreynolds4677

[@irishandscottish1829]

@@andrewmcreynolds4677 so your source is a youtube channel 😂 If you are going to make these sorts of accusations you better have some integrity and be able to use primary sources

[@mancal5829]

Thank you for being a beacon of light.

[@GregoryMcElhaney]

Some things it is ok to change, but some things not. One little change every hundred years and you will lose the whole meaning.

[@elsbethsutherland624]

More like one little change every couple of years! I noticed this week that we now have “spiritual food” Instead of “bread of life”. The novus ordo is now just a parody of the real Mass!

[@RosemaryCannon-y9w]

That is their plan to invalidate it

[@DavidRodriguez-er4rq]

@@elsbethsutherland624 just like when Martin Luther added the word ALONE to Romans 3:28

[@elsbethsutherland624]

@@DavidRodriguez-er4rq Exactly!

[@pokketwatch]

Bless you for bringing this to our attention!

[@Zinny-n2t]

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[@Zinny-n2t]

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[@GratefulBamboo]

Thank you for defending our faith. ❤️🙏

[@katherinehickey6915]

"For many" = people in a state of grace / "For all" = for everybody whether their faith or attachment to sin as a the aim is sacrilegious offence

[@seanmarshall7529]

Can God refuse anyone? Will everyone want to accept Him? Here lies the rub for the many.. all of whom do accept Him Who reads all of this stuff? Lovers of Love. But only those concepts that are about Him! Remember Saul, and his lesson!

[@katherinehickey6915]

@@seanmarshall7529 God can do whatever he wants.

[@seanmarshall7529]

@@katherinehickey6915 ridiculous, He can't do what is against Himself, we can. We can destroy ourselves and refuse God.. he can't.

[@seanmarshall7529]

As I understand it, God doesn't do, He doesn't want, He Is. He Is the "Beingness" the "isness". You want something you don't have, He lacks nothing, He Is. We are in s world full of verbs, He is s Noun, no verbs.

[@katherinehickey6915]

@@seanmarshall7529 God is both justice and mercy. He gave us the Ten Commandments and free will. If we reject him and his Commandments then we cannot stand before him either in heaven or infront of the eucharist and receive him. A philosophy that everyone is saved including those who reject him is incorrect.

[@marriedkiwi]

I know from experience as a young man 30 years ago as you lose faith you think hard line catholics are suicidal and mad...rather than martyrs and full of the holy spirit

[@marthaburdine395]

Thank you for bringing this into the light

[@billkolb1305]

More reason to attend the Latin Mass.

[@upstatelynchmob]

Yes!

[@cathymccaffrey7725]

The best reason why they're suppressing the Latin Mass.

[@Hope_Boat]

More reason to follow an orthodox liturgy.

[@maryhamill36]

That was the beauty of Latin, you could go anywhere in the world and understand the Mass, now you cannot join in when it's in that Country's language.

[@markdaddy2089]

Changing the rites of ordination, replacing latin with the vernacular..in the words of Fr. Mawdsley."an enemy has done this" another great video Defending our Catholic faith.

[@thecatholicman]

Rite of ordination is the laying on of hands and intending to do what the church does. Even the sspx accept the new rite of ordination is valid.

[@markdaddy2089]

@thecatholicman I atten the SSPX . My eye doctor of all people help me find a TLM. I feel so blessed to be able to attend with my children.

[@majellamcateer4665]

We have been warned to watch for the day the words of the consecration....it is the beginning of the end times... because it is no longer a valid mass. Thanks be to God for TLM

[@majellamcateer4665]

Watch for change of words

[@DominicMazoch]

According to the General Instructions of Roman Missal, Latin can be used all or in part in the Mass.

[@Mark3ABE]

The panel which was commissioned to prepare the new order of the Mass after Vatican II included a number of Protestants, some of whom espoused the Universalist heresy. They insisted upon the removal of the Prayers at the Foot of the Altar, since they did not like the idea of referring to what they insisted is only a communion table as an “altar”. Then, they insisted upon the removal of the Last Gospel, since they interpreted the reference there to “the Word” as to the Sacred Scriptures, rather than to Jesus Christ. Finally, the Universalists insisted upon falsifying the words used in consecration of the wine, from “shed for many” to “shed for all men”. It is unnecessary to refer back to earlier versions of the Missal. The correct words, as always used by the Church, are the words used by Jesus himself, as found in the Sacred Scriptures. So, for about forty years, until Pope Benedict XVI said “enough is enough” and changed the words used back to the correct words, the Catholic Church was not using the words of Jesus in the consecration, while most Protestant Churches continued to use the correct words in their communion services. The use of the words “per tutti” in the Italian form of the Mass cannot be justified. It represents a deliberate intention to undermine an essential teaching of the Faith, by the Universalists, to please the Pope, who says that “he likes to think that Hell is empty” and we are supposed to take his personal views more seriously than those of Our Lord himself and go along with this, so, as a result, the Pope wants the words of the consecration of the wine to read “shed for you and for all men” because he believes that everyone is going to Heaven and that no one is going to Hell, so the correct words, as used by Jesus, “shed for many” upsets the Pope, so those preparing the text to be used in the Mass in Italian must take care not to upset him by doing anything so shocking as using the words which Jesus used.

[@seanmarshall7529]

Oh pray, remember Saint Paul, the killer of Christians redeemed, the one who brought Christianity to the heathens! Heathens are there to be loved, and by loving them be brought to the TRUTH. in my commercial days there was one word I respected the most, it was the truthful NO. He could be converted to a true friend! The yesmen were the most dangerous, their yes included a barrier with the no-men had destroyed by their trust in you.... woe to me if I had ever told a lie!

[@michaellyon9220]

Robert, I need to know what missing words would absolutely negate the moment of sanctifying , of making the bread holy his heart

[@maddyproctor1443]

This is my body. This is my blood...

[@LambofGodKnock]

The clown mass continues to develop but the circus is dying.

[@NothosXXI]

very insighful words, friend. God bless you!

[@MichaelGlowacki]

Oh!

[@josephodoherty7864]

Very hate-filled words, my friend.

[@carolineleavitt4363]

Very true!

[@smitrotti]

​@@josephodoherty7864The truth will set you free, bro.

[@leojmullins]

"The stone people have get their camel's nose under the tent side first. And when the congregation has got used to the smell, they bring their camel's all the way in.

[@donaldlippert6374]

I could be wrong but i seem to remember that for a long while in the Novus Ordo the translation was ‘for all’ but good Pope Benedict, who was very attentive to these things, officially revised the translation to ‘for many’ in keeping with ancient tradition. Looks like some continue their erasure of BXVI. One day, their innovations will be erased. Thanks for sharing your prayerful insights.

[@ThreeHailMarys777]

Very interesting. I will search out just when BXVI made that particular effort. If you spot it, speak out. See my long post in this thread re the efficacy of exorcisms that sparks my interest in your post. Our Spiritual Treasury is under attack. It needs the WHOLE Church in proper worship such that the flow of Authority is in tact and robust in Faith. Until then we must offer ourselves in love and repentance for the Church we gave been given to protect and grow, His Church , His Kingdom. Peace.

[@JackFalltrades]

In American English it was translated to, "for all." Then Benedict XVI changed it to, "for many." This was one of many changes made to the English Missal.

[@michelelindseth8250]

When i was young, 60 years ago, it was "for many."

[@ambbarofficial]

Same in Spanish

[@Kayla-ey7zg]

This is why latin needs to remain the language of the church and the language of the mass. There's no confusion.

[@drcardinalli]

I so feel your tears, brother❣️

[@abelgarcia6992]

I agree with you 100%. Amen!

[@quentandil]

In the Spanish Novus Ordo we had the "por todos los hombres" ("for all men") ever since the new liturgy was implemented. By Benedict XVI's initiative it was finally changed in 2017 to say "por muchos". But it looks like there are many forces in the Vatican committed to undo all the work by Benedict...

[@thecatholicman]

Indeed Satan wants to destroy the actual word of God and what better place to destroy it than in the mass

[@maddyproctor1443]

@@thecatholicman Tomorrow is Pentecost. Let us work with the Holy Spirit to renew the face of the earth - to bring peace and not division. May we be one in God just as God has intended - an uncounted number - so very many - God's love is so great could he have possibly meant that he wants ALL individuals to be saved. We have much to learn and much to grow out of - human meanness of spirit for one

[@gatogati2281]

When they change the word of consecration, great event will unfold. I read that not long ago...

[@DominicMazoch]

I think the ANAPHORA of St. Basil, which is about twice as long as the Roman ANAPHORA, uses the same words for the Chalice. It eas used in the Byzantine Rites before St. John wrote his Mass. What would be interesting to see the words are used in the Liturgy of St. James.

[@thuyanh6734]

Francis is undoing seemingly everything that Pope Benedict XVI has done...😢

[@martingomel1611]

If the words of the Consecration are changed, is there a possibility that transubstantiation doesn't actually occur?

[@ginasalis5880]

It’s so true. I have family in Rome that say they no longer go to confession. They are believe in the evil eye and absolute nonsense like that.

[@abelgarcia6992]

I am totally conservative. Period!😊

[@mariloucantwell4358]

Any change in the ancient rite is a blasphemy if you ask me. I cannot imagine standing before Christ The Judge and have to answer for such arrogance.

[@itallstartedwheniwasborn5913]

Some will say I am devil’s advocate here, but certain of the more modern Marian apparitions (which have local approvals)-the same ones the Vatican is trying to squelch now- have for some time been saying that there would be a change to the words of consecration. The stated effect is that once this is changed, consecration will not occur and these Masses will be invalid. Whether or not one attends these Masses when the consecration is not valid is a up to them, however if it does not have the effect of offering due worship to God, nothing good will come from them, certainly.

[@maddyproctor1443]

We are getting carried away - Jesus himself warned us to be careful of false prophets. Just remember that God is bigger than we are - focus on him and don't get caught up with anything which looks good on the outside, but is riddled with falsities/

[@brendanquinn6894]

When exactly did this change take place in Rome ?

[@taproot381]

It seems to have come in when the Latin mass was translated to English during the 60’s. Strangely enough John Paul 2 completely omitted the consecration of the wine from which this phrase is taken,during the Mass he celebrated in Limerick in 1979

[@O_Rei]

Italy always used “per tutti” in Paul VI’s novel rite.

[@adeodata6364]

@@O_Rei Are you sure? In French it's "... Pour la multitude, en rémission des péchés"... Which means "for a great number of people, a multitude"... P. S You're right, I just checked.

[@thecatholicman]

So did the original English translation until it was corrected.

[@luciafarrugia158]

The Maltese translation is "għalikom u għall bnedmin kollha, għall maħfra tad-dnubiet" i.e. for you and for all mankind for the remission of sins. In our Scripture translation, however it says "Ghall kotra" which is "for many". Why do you think they would change it?

[@loismasouris4444]

There IS a difference in meaning between "many" and "all".

[@DCo-g6q]

This is scandalous, messing with the consecration might corrupt the entire sacrament.

[@thecatholicman]

Indeed.

[@fcanonicus7044]

I'm newly subscribed to your site, as I was drawn by something so missing on so many so-called Christian, including Catholic sites. . . basic common sense, and fidelity to our ancient faith. Some going so far as misquoting and twisting what Harrison Butker recently said in his commencement speech ( ignoring the fact of his very accomplished mother ) and agreeing instead with the culture, i.e., the mindset of the world, instead of God our Creator. God Bless you, and please, please, please continue, and don't jump ship as many do. The untold story, is we're increasingly drawing many converts to the traditional Faith. There is, and will be a " remnant " ! Viva Cristo Rey ! 🙏🏻😊

[@FredTonelli]

Why not write a letter to your Irish bishop about changing ‘tutti’ back to the original, as that is in the purview of his responsibility. The last letter of appeal I wrote to my bishop still remains unanswered.

[@irishdancer2753]

Robert, nitpick, nitpick, nitpick!!!! You are exactly what our Catholic Church needs!!! They ( the devious ones) have changed A LOT without a majority of our Catholic faithfuls even knowing, AWFUL!!! But we need to be even MORE DETERMINED to stay with our church~ they want us to do what many Catholic faithfuls have done~ leave the church … until there is no one left in the church. WRONG, we MUST STAY and continue to ask God for his help!!!! 🙏🏻 So nitpick all you need to Robert!!! And well done!!!

[@seansheehy6725]

You are right. That is what Jesus said in the Gospels. he said on Holy Thursday at the Last Supper "for you and for many." Ignorance of the Scripture is ignorance of Jesus and ignorance of Jesus is ignorance of what it means to be a Catholic and a member of His Church.

[@briandelaney9710]

The first English translation of the Novus Ordo was “for you and all men. Then “for all”. Until the new translation came in the 2000’s

[@Mark3ABE]

The false wording was slipped in by the Universalists. No one noticed - or cared. Until Pope Benedict XVI did, finally, notice and changed the wording back to the correct wording again. The Missal in Italy has now reintroduced the heresy represented by the use of the words “for all” in place of “for many”. This is possible because the Pope is Primate of All Italy. He espouses the Universalist heresy. He says that “he likes to think that Hell is empty”. If so, then, if everyone is going to Heaven, then the use of the words “shed for all” does make sense. Of course, this belief is opposed to the teaching of Our Lord himself. Cardinal Fernandez tries to excuse the Pope by saying that nothing at all of what he says should be regarded as his teaching on matters of faith and morals. He is not altering the teaching of the Church - he is just making statements which deny the teaching of the Church. Cardinal Fernandez says that those who wish to be loyal to the Pope must put aside the teaching of the Church and prefer, instead, the personal opinions of the Pope - those who do not will be marked down as “disloyal” and an opportunity will, eventually, be found to “cancel” them. So, it is a difficult time for Catholics - with the Pope himself doing everything he can to undermine the Catholic Faith.

[@maryheyart4295]

People are so hungry for the Catholic tradition. I think a return to tradition would save and grow the Church exponentially. The loss of Latin was a loss of the Church’s Universality.

[@chiajentsay-gonzalez6640]

In the Philippines the vernacular NO in Tagalog the consecration formula from "all" was never changed to "many". It was retained and is still used today, the word "all"

[@timverellen8589]

It seems to me that Pope Benedict 16th issued instructions that “for all” is not to be published, it must be “for many”

[@yankees4551]

Stunning. In our Baptist Church in south of France the preacher said the same. No tarot cards nor horoscopes nor any other idol should be worshipped. Stick to the Bible. Be ready to suffer for Jesus and leave the rest in His hands. It's getting very scary when the statements of faith are changed. Sooner or later that church will be empty. May Jesus build His church.

[@thomasjorge4734]

They like to change things to prove themselves Creators.

[@Nicole_Marie_]

How odd. I was watching an old Malachi Martin interview a couple of weeks ago and he was discussing this.

[@jorgegomes83]

The question is: What should expect those of us who had the audacity to "correct" a command given by God Himself?

[@patosullivan5836]

No need to explain yourself! You aren't being picky at all. You are being wise

[@arvelote4581]

Today mass Saint Stephen's, and priest ( not our Paris one) said not for many but for all....4 people straight after stood up and left church, ( very traditional ones) I was not able to go to communion myself, because I was full of confusion and didn't know what is proper thing to do. There is no unity, no reverence, everyone seems to create their own rules, changing the wording in gospel...it is Calvary for those who understand 😢😢

[@marriedkiwi]

If only Francis could say "all, tutti, everybody, every catholic seminarian is welcome to the priesthood to offer the ancient rite....and Every catholic...including rigid ones are welcome to the synod".

[@NothosXXI]

if only

[@SmithsnMoz]

I attribute it to DIABOLICAL DISORIENTATION.. So we keep praying for him. 🙏

[@NothosXXI]

@@SmithsnMoz Amen to that, friend! God bless you!

[@maddyproctor1443]

@@SmithsnMoz Please keep your focus on God - not on things outside of God. Prepare for Pentecost and the fruits of the Holy Spirit

[@SmithsnMoz]

​@@maddyproctor1443... I'm sorry you feel that way. But it was Jesus Christ HIMSELF who spoke most about EVIL...God Love you... Blessed Pentecost. 🙏

[@clivelitchfield1305]

The smoke of satan?

[@maddyproctor1443]

Stop stirring things up. Focus on the things of God. It is Pentecost tomorrow - may the holy Spirit renew the face of the earth

[@Mera802]

Benedict XVI made the correction, don't recall de date, but the new Mass book were corrected to become similar to the Latin in translation. ✝️

[@thecatholicman]

He did indeed !

[@Mark3ABE]

Yes, similar to the Latin, but the point is that the Latin is taken from the actual words used by Our Lord himself, as set out in the Gospel of Matthew. What is surprising in that, for about forty years, the incorrect words were used in the consecration of the wine in the Catholic Church, while the Church of England and most conservative Protestant Churches continued to use the correct wording from the Sacred Scriptures. For all of that time, no single Cardinal, Archbishop, Bishop or, even, possibly, Priest, noticed that this falsification, to advance the Universalist heresy, had been slipped in surreptitiously into the words at the very centre of the Mass. While Pope Benedict did, finally, notice and correct the error, Pope Francis has already reverted to the falsification in the Missal for use in Italy, where he is Primate and, inevitability, since he has openly stated that he is Universalist in his own private beliefs (he likes to believe that “Hell is empty”) he will try to reintroduce this falsification, essential to advance this heresy, into the Missals of the English speaking countries. Once again, if he does so, it is unlikely that any Cardinal, Archbishop, Bishop or Priest will even notice, or if he does notice, that he will care. Preferment in the Church of today involves abandoning the Theology of the Tradition of the Church, in favour of the new Theology, the Theology of Francis and Cardinal Fernandez has made it clear that anyone who has the temerity to challenge the new “Theology of Francis” will soon find himself “cancelled”.

[@DavidRodriguez-er4rq]

@@Mark3ABE hell cannot be empty because there are those that don't want to go to heaven. In fact some have said they would rather go to hell smh

[@yvonneagnes222]

What is apalling is that what Pope Benedict XVI approved (Summorum pontificun) and initiated (pro multis in the consecration, mouth communion), has been demolished since July 16, 2021 (Traditiones custodes) and ignored by priests and bishops (instead use of for all at the consecration and offering hand communion).

[@1romancatholic]

Jesus said when he returns, will he find any faith left? It seems to be monthly that the new church is bringing us closer and closer to that point (losing people’s faith) which is closer and closer to his return .

[@disasterblaster3693]

At our they have a number of missals that are available for borrowing for those who don't have their own. Our Parish Priest says these missals are quite good but warns users that they contain the alteration that you mention.

[@kyriaeleison9368]

Do we go for such a Mass or do we desist from receiving communion

[@wilts43]

It changes the faith to Universalism to suit the pope's "hell is empty" comments. If hell is empty......everyone, not many, is saved

[@carlkrueger-yz8cc]

And, pope Francis claims Mary is modernist, Hard to believe we have reached this level

[@maddyproctor1443]

Only God can know this - so idle speculation from human beings is not helpfu;

[@JoeTrainor-bj8gw]

Francis is not Catholic. According to him the Eucharist is for all regardless of their state in life, regardless of religion. regardless of belief--all are saved without repentance. The man would be a joke if her weren't following evil.

[@maddyproctor1443]

Think hard about what you have just written

[@mariovian134]

I agree with your analysis.

[@briandelaney9710]

It seems also that the use of Latin has been curtailed at the Vatican. Many Masses are mainly in Italian even where the Universal Church gathers

[@maddyproctor1443]

Is that a bad thing? Rome is in Italy after all!

[@gulgian]

Pope Benedict addressed this but not all Conferences followed. Italians suffer that "translation" since '70s despite three liturgical revisions

[@sklenars]

One of our former parish priests would proclaim at the consecration "for all" which was at odds with all the other priests before and since who always proclaimed "for many"

[@geraldinelennon4095]

Robert can u show me wat words the Vatican have changed at the Consecration of the Mass for Pentecost Sunday I’m a bit confused I know for ALL is wrong for MANY is the proper words 🙏🏻

[@seanmarshall7529]

There's a line of thought that I think bases itself on the idea of Love being so great that Love wants everyone to be back in His Fold.. Everyone, none excluded, including those that rejected His Love! My own prowess in philosophy and theology is by no means great enough to reason this through... Poetically which parent wouldn't sacrifice himself/herself to save an offspring?

[@El-Ge]

I notice that many translations of 'Multae - multas' of Missale Romanum as 'All' which supposed to be 'Many,' meanwhile "all' in Latin is 'Omnis - Omnes". Those translators are experts however they did big mistake, both theologically and linguistically.

[@DeeStewart-oj2zj]

It was a huge error to move the Mysterium Fidei. The Mysterium Fidei is the transubstantiation of the body and blood of Our Lord during the consecration Not that Our Lord has died, is risen and will come again!

[@michaelarthur2652]

Indeed. The phrase was deliberately moved to play down transubstantiation and make it acceptable to protestants.

[@kimfleury]

🌹🌹🌹🙏🏻✝️ 3 Aves for you.

[@Momof9-dq6fh]

Amen! All of the consecration in Latin! Mind you, I attend the Maronite Rite and they are spoken in the language that Jesus actually spoke.

[@maddyproctor1443]

Each nation has its own first language and that is absolutely fine. We are living in 2024.

[@mottledbrain]

1. I'm thinking te same thing happened in Ireland as in Canada in 2012(?). There was an updated translation that included changing the words "for all" to "for many". Was it also in Italian that the Pope rewrote the Bible, by changing the words to the Pater Noster? 2. I LOVE THE IDEA OF USING LATIN *EVERYWHERE* for the Consecration. (I have picked up enough Latin to immediately understand what you were saying. It isn't hard to adapt. )

[@maddyproctor1443]

What is this about the Pope 'rewriting' the Bible? He did comment on 'lead us not into temptation' - but not issue a change . No person can change scripture

[@MichaelGlowacki]

Excellent points you’re making. God is faithful. He revealed through Mary’s clement warnings so this development is calming because I am reassured that her messages are correct. Unfortunately the chastisement that she warned us about is highly likely. The widespread apostasy foretold at Quito, La Salette, Fatima, and Akita as well as many others, is becoming more and more evident. Pray 🙏🏼✝️🌹📿 everyday for the church and for souls.

[@DavidRodriguez-er4rq]

Cana hindu be a Catholic bishop or Cardinal? Can a secret sects satanist be one? I'm sure the Rampollas and Baggios are the ones doing this. They are deceiving everyone.

[@maddyproctor1443]

Trust in God alone. And what is this foolish talk about the bishops? Be careful not to stir.. Tomorrow is Pentecost - let us work with the Holy Spirit to renew the face of the earth - and to bring about God's kingdom on earth as it is in heaven

[@steved7961]

They know what they are doing. They are making a theological point, they believe all are saved.

[@watermain48]

Sadly Robert, we are that lost.

[@maddyproctor1443]

No we are not lost. Trust in God at all times. Do not let us turn into scaremongerers. God's arms are open to ALL. He doesn't want one person to be lost. Definition of many : consisting of a great number ie such a great number that it has not been counted. Dare we trust in God's great mercy to the point where we come to understand that God doesn't have FIXED numbers - he doesn't put a limit on what is possible for the human race - we are the ones who seem to think that we can put limits on what God wants to do for us. We are the ones who do not like it when God rocks the boat - because it puts us out of our comfort zone. Pentecost approaches - Send forth your Spirit O Lord and renew the face of the world! Amen. We have to be very careful - our own cleverness could easily bring us down. Let us listen to God

[@badthomist5232]

Going back to St. Paul (e.g. Romans 5:18), the Greek for "many" and for "all" were considered interchangeable specifically with respect to those for whom Christ shed His blood, and Paul is way earlier than an "early early early early" Church Father who died in the 5th century A.D. Christ was THE One who died for THE MANY (hoi polloi), which resulted in justification for ALL (ta panta), the same all that was subject to death due to Adam's sin. Romans 5:18. Check it out bro. This isn't a Vatican II innovation. This is the gospel.

[@Michael-yx9lg]

That change has been around for a long time, you can tell a modernist from a more tradional priest the former will say for all the latter will say for many.

[@montjoile]

Isn't that change made by Pope Benedict XVI a couple of years ago? I remember reading the reason, which was related to the fact that Jesus was also a man, so His sacrifice is not actually for all (men and women) because He was the only man who did not need a sacrifice, so that's why it was changed to "many". That's what I remember from years ago

[@AJMacDonaldJr]

Do you have a link to a document that has this wording?

[@NothosXXI]

You are not nitpicking or legalistic, but your observations are spot on, according to the reality we currently live in, my friend! In Rome today, an effort appears to exist in order to make an interreligious liturgy of some sort; I did notice this already in Buenos Aires during President Javier Mile's investment as President. They had a strange ceremony in the Cathedral that was interreligious... Such effort is the last stage of the Masonic plan to end the Mass. In other words, we currently live in an eschatological time. The judgment of the nations due to apostasy is already upon us. From here on, we are headed fast towards the fulfillment of God's Justice, which is necessary before the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, which will usher in the world an era of plenitude (1000 years), meaning an era where the Gospel will be finally accepted and lived in Truth by all the Nations of the Earth, for a time, before the end. The 1000-year reign is not literal perse, as numbers have symbolic meaning in Holy Scripture. 1000 is a number that speaks of 'plenitude.' The Gospel would have achieved its ends by then, including the conversion of Israel (Diaspora) I love your Channel! God bless you, friend!

[@DavidRodriguez-er4rq]

I think most semite Jews have accepted Christ. Including those that went to the Americas during the inquisition. Only the fake ones haven't or will not. The Ashkenazi Zionists wait for another messiah.

[@AK-nw7tr]

Peace. Grew up USA postV2 with approved consecration being 'for all'. Translation corrected after 35+ yrs 'for many'. Young liturgy. Takes time to get everyone used to it. Heard retirees lapse, using old consecration too. No surprise still struggle with language. Wittgenstein (eternal rest) opinion was the main problem being language meaning. Human words do change over time. 'Many or all' argued by context too.

[@maddyproctor1443]

Sound thinking! God be with you

[@charliegeorge.]

Genuinely interested as to the negative reaction of the wording ALL and not MANY? I do believe the consecration wording will be altered in near future forcing Jesus to no longer be present, but i assumed it would be more obvious than this? Didn't Jesus die on the cross to save all rather than many? Please explain, what am i missing?

[@joanvarholdt313]

The Pope also said all people pray to the same God they just call Him a different Name... So I'm waiting for them to change the Consecration word "many" to "all" Satan is very tricky. Does this one word make it invalid?

[@GustavoFerreira56]

The Italian translation was always like that. In Portuguese, my mother tongue, it was 'for all' until last year.