Did UAE ‘Mole’ Really Leak Pogačar’s Plans?+ Jonas Left In Tears - Wild Ones Pro Show TdF Stage 19

[@koopalibrary]

it's not a remco TT, given that it's a mountain TT i'd say Pogacar is the clear favourite.

[@johnbriggs1038]

I'm really drawn in by the drama of Jonas vs Pogi. The fact that Jonas was so torn by the fact that he couldn't hang with Pogi made me respect him more. He respected his position as defending champ and pushed himself to defend. At the end of the day, I still think Pogi lost the TDF (especially in 2022) because of the strength of the Visma team. He and Vingegaard were very even, but because of team tactics and strength, Pogi got himself in situations where he didn't fuel correctly. He was young and thought he was invincible, and tried to cover every attack. This year, the UAE team is stronger in the mountains, and Pogi is stronger for sure because of Jonas' accident. Next TDF will be great again. I'll still be rooting for Pogi, but I have respect for how much Vingegaard cares.

[@iamcruzing]

I believe they are both great champions & competitors yet very different personalities. Which is what has stoked the rivalry probably more in the fan base than between them as individuals because I think they have a great respect for each other. Which seems even more remarkable...

[@n.heroep2786]

I feel sorry for Jonas today too. But he did the same thing to Tadej last year. VL/Jonas ruthlessly killed Tadej. He humiliated Tadej last year. He broke Tadej mentally. It was so obvious in the famous photo of Tadej was sitting down staring down the floor behind Jonas signing yellow jersey. I guess it's a cruel sport huh? One day you are on the top and another day you are at the bottom.

[@struancochrane753]

It has been an amazing tour on so many levels. There is so much emotion shown by these superb athletes in victory or defeat. It shows us what it means to the protagonists. To say "just wait until next year's tour when....," I think is glib and detracts from these wonderful history making 3 weeks. Elite athletes in any sport rarely get to compete niggle free or with a smooth run in. They are on a knife edge when at peak fitness. Jonas, what a release of emotion after the line. The respect and friendship they have for one and other is a lesson to all, (well apart from Lance, who called them out on it) . Great show, well on. Vive Le tour

[@gavynarmstrong6599]

Remember, Pogacar is only 25. Hes been racing Pro level since 2018 and UWT since 2019 while being competitive. He was never more than 3 minutes away from the lead in all his muti-stage races in those years. Compared to a lot of riders, hes entering his prime. He's a generational talent that lives near and trains in the Alps. He has a new coach. Are we really going to act surprised by how dominate he is? Its more beleiveable that Pogacar dominates a month after the Giro than Jonas dominating let alone getting 2nd 86 days or lesss than 3 months after a broken collarbone, punctured lungs and broken ribs. ( Im more sensible than Muo and have been pretty accurate since Stage 11)

[@gabrielmazza7923]

thanks for bringing some logic and reasoning to this clown of a comment section 👌

[@bicikircho]

as for what I keep reading in all media "experts commentators" and "journalists" state that what pogacar is doing is just impossible, and he must be doping. There is no place for criteria, common sense, knowledge, science or anything that would be mentally sane to be written/said. I agree with you, plus, we have to also remember, all the changes that have been produced in the last 5-10 years over feeding on & off the bike, training methods, and so many other factors, part of the logical evolution of both sports and the entire human race...

[@BlackTone91]

"He was never more than 3 minutes away from the lead in all his muti-stage races in those years." He loose Tour last year by 7 minutes

[@gavynarmstrong6599]

@@ct81 It's fine to have questions, but you don't think the UCI is even more strict now? They caught a rider transporting drugs from a team who employed a person who has had doping connected to them. Armstrong and Pantini didn't start making waves until they were in their mid 20s. 1994-96. Pogacar was racing pro level at 20, UWT at 21 and won at 22. Athletes in the modern era are getting better at a younger age. Science has allowed for athletes to be prepared better along with their genetics. Top athletes are in the 1% of human capabilities and with how accessible information is, dominance like this isn't hard to imagine. You can be surprised by how Pogacar dominates, but his history supports his rise and dominance.

[@gavynarmstrong6599]

@@BlackTone91 2018-2019. I even stated "In those years"

[@AlexeiRamotar]

Pogačar’s form looks like he can probably go for La Vuelta if he wanted to.

[@taxi9554]

That would be the ultimate performance…..agree that he should try

[@recrevs963]

yeah aso (are they the owners of vuelta) need to pay him whatever he asks to get him lined up in lisbon on aug 17th

[@issueswithtissues3082]

He’s not going - I think the team director told the media that Pogi would not ride in Vuelta since he could burn out and potentially permanently damage his athletic career.

[@LongStep]

I hope he goes to and wins La Vuelta! I honestly think he will try La Vuelta this year.

[@TheWorldisaLIE2]

@@issueswithtissues3082 not only that if he goes and wins everyone except his close fanbase will hate him and be the final nail in turning him from a hero to a villain. like today as well winning this 4th stage. i've been reading what french people have been commenting on official tour posts and everyone is starting to hate him. he could have gained a 1.5 min on Jonas without having to go full blast AND win the stage. greed is a downfall

[@Cycle.every.day.]

Only one human ever suited a moustache , he drove a red ferrari in the 80s

[@TeddyBeatOfficial]

and a williams in the 90s

[@derekhobbs1102]

He is just the custodian of said moustache.

[@Afrikakorps68]

@@TeddyBeatOfficial to be honest...Am I the only one who was thinking to Tom Selleck in the Magnum PI Tv series and NOT to Nigel Mansell?

[@TeddyBeatOfficial]

@@Afrikakorps68 equally iconic moustaches

[@tlove9125]

I immediately thought of Magnum PI as well!

[@Chiller11]

I spent a good portion of my career treating trauma cases. Humans’ healing processes after trauma is exponential. Healing is really rapid for the first 2 to 6 weeks depending on the tissue involved (bone, muscle, skin etc). After that initial phase healing slows down but continues for months. Jonas’ body his still healing, his fractures are gaining strength, his ligaments and tendons are still healing. Not only that but the human body detrains really quickly and regains conditioning more slowly than other species. Of course he is not as good as he has been or as good as he could be. It would be physiologically impossible in the month and a half he had to train after his serious injuries.

[@AlwaysBeCycling]

That would be logarithmic healing, ya? Exponential would be opposite

[@JeremyLawrence-imajez]

One of the most disturbing ways to cheat in sport I ever heard about is for disabled competitors to break bones in limbs they don't use before an event because the healing process gives a performance boost. I was recently talking to someone who worked in this field for years and he told me of other bizarre methods of cheating. Anecdotally, a friend of mine finally won a national championship 6 weeks after a big crash where he broke various bones.

[@joelecho]

About time someone said this. It blows my mind the number of people that thing it's physiologically possible for Jonas to be peaking this close to a trauma like that.

[@Afrikakorps68]

Don't try this at home...​@@JeremyLawrence-imajez

[@AlwaysBeCycling]

@@JeremyLawrence-imajez also to get medical exemptions for drugs that help healing but also give a genuine performance boost… i dont think Jonas did this, though

[@Aidan-tu4un]

Think Pog needs to think about La Vuelta and start saving a bit of energy for the triple!!

[@thenicenoise]

im a tadej fan, but i felt sad for jonas.. he gave it everything and he is a champion

[@aemabest1264]

Me too, I felt bad for jonas.

[@Chiller11]

@@thenicenoise The Visma boys; Kuss, Roglic and van Aert were pretty ruthless breaking Tadej down for Jonas the last couple of years. I’m certain Tadej felt pretty much the same way on the Col de la Loze last year. I felt bad for Jonas but I felt even worse I think for Jorgensen. Still I’ve got no issue with Pogacar taking the stage.

[@thenicenoise]

@@Chiller11 yeah. All those struggles and solo attacks the past 2 years, and now with a better team, they still hate on tadej and uae. no hate for jonas and visma.. but this is racing

[@romeojconstantino43]

I'm a Visma fan but for me the best individual rider is Pogi. Felt bad for them because their team is not 100% on this tour but JV still gave it a fight. But I agree too on @thenicenoise and felt bad for Pogi last year on Col de la Loze when he said "I'm gone', I'm dead". Hoping next year both team are on 100% and will give us a very close fight until the last stages.

[@wertacus]

Vingegaard is my man. Absolute legend accident or no.

[@thedefaultuser]

Giro = Peppa Pog (Pink); Tour = Pacman (Yellow); Vuelta = Angry Bird??? (Red)

[@robenever1]

I don’t think roglic is a contender for the tour anymore. Not only is he never up to form, not for a while now, but can never stay upright.

[@donwinston]

What? He won the Giro last year. Get real.

[@robenever1]

@@donwinston which is why I said the tour, not grand tours. He’s not a contender and hasn’t been for any Tour de France in a while.

[@iamcruzing]

And he is 34, soon to be 35. He's past his prime...

[@donwinston]

@@robenever1 The Giro is a GRAND TOUR.

[@dynamo6735]

@@donwinston Get real, he barely beat old man Thomas who is not even top30 in UCI ranking lol. I like Roglic but his chance to win the TDF was 2020, served on a gold plate and he blew it. He will never get to Pogi/Jonas lvl at that age + Remco is on upward trajectory. Roglic can contend for Giro/Vuelta win for next 2seasons, but if any of the 3riders mentioned above show up, he is not a favorite to win.

[@Sparkyz480]

Ed is on! This is awesome!

[@alstuart8801]

Apart from Pog's amazing performance.. the other highlight for me is Emily's Sunderland accent... i was at Sunderland art college in 1974

[@RickQuemado]

Cavendish squeezing Tadej’s face and telling him not to beat his record sealed his fate. He awoke the already woken dragon.

[@simonpemberton6669]

100%

[@iamcruzing]

Lol, yeah. I think you could see Tadej did not appreciate that. That was like grandma pinching your cheek to tell you how cute you are... You know they didn't consciously mean bad by it, but yet somehow feels dismissive/disrespectful.

[@andysaurauslampshadegames6290]

Ive really enjoyed these im glad the channel branched out into this news commentary, cheers

[@msPaulaA1]

Tadej Pacman 😂. ❤pretty much so exciting to watch

[@vonpupees]

changing coach could be massive. imagine two coaches, one coach that is known as one of the best in the world that uses more traditional methods that have been proven to work. a second coach that is less proven but wants to use more tech and modern science to guide their training methods. different riders will react differently to different methods it could just be pog is reacting really well to the new methods

[@gerrysecure5874]

There are no new methods. Just new names and better tech and food.

[@AlwaysBeCycling]

I don't think its as simple as SanMilan bad, new coach good. The difference that this or that coach can make comes down to their coaching philosophy and training methodologies vis-a-vis the athlete and the stage of the athletes career. Who you need to be to win also comes down to the context. You can absolutely imagine that a philosophy like SanMilan's Zone 2, which emphasizes having a deep aerobic base from which to draw from, would work exclusively for 99% of the population and take them to great heights. But Pogi especially, battling a team like peak Jumbo-Visma / Visma-Leaseabike, apparently needed to go beyond a Zone 2 emphasis to fight back by redlining his attackers more brutally than they could redline him. Grischa made it known that their strategy to beating Pogi in 2022 and 2023 was to redline his TSS over the 3 weeks of the Tour, throwing one amazing rider after another at him, with Roglic to boot. His dominance this year comes down to his having a stronger team, weaker opponent teams, and having extended his TSS resilience by spending many more training minutes in Zones 4+ than he had under SanMilan.

[@RVAMTB]

EF rider, Lachlan Morton, won Unbound too

[@willridesabike6312]

As far as Danes go, Magnus is their equivalent of Robin Williams. Just so off-the-wall wacky and unhinged!

[@jtmuso]

Ed Laverack?! 🤘 nice addition

[@bmwflyfisher]

Love having Ed on your show. Very pleasant spokesman. Chris was also a delight.

[@lesflynn4455]

Jonas was perfectly entitled to shed a some tears after such an ordeal. This edition of the TdF hasn't gone his way. His emotions may not have even been about the tour. Men can cry. It's totally ok.

[@davebolger3929]

In a postrace interview today Remco stated that he would prefer 3rd and a stage win ( ie the tt) to 2nd spot. So he will be trying to rest his legs tomorrow. Or he wants Jonas to think he will.... Pacman for Pog- like the Cannibal for Merckx- eating everyone in his path. That may even stick.

[@benp3639]

Pogacar finishing the stage looking like he’s just biked down to the shops for a loaf of bread. 😮

[@n.heroep2786]

Looks can be deceiving. How would you know how tired he was if you aren't him?

[@Orange7825]

Also, the "insider" didn't say he quit z2 entirely, or am I wrong? What z2 is integrated with is what has changed

[@charles9215]

Something many aren’t mentioning. Tadej may have an opportunity to pass Canadian for the most stage wins.

[@johndoiron9615]

I know this is an autocorrect typo, but please don't edit it!

[@lorddilego6805]

Love that wkg T-Shirt, is it available from somewhere? Regarding "Mou"; An anonymous cycling community vigilante? How quaint. I approve! 🤔😂

[@edlaverack]

Well spotted Lord😊

[@darrelduke]

the emotion is understandable. going through what he did with the crash and performing at this level is a testament to how tough jonas is mentally and physically. they both have incredible teams around them to get them to this point in the race. how long did it take remco to come back to form after his bad crash 2yrs ago. and a testament to remco to be riding so well almost on his own compared to what jonas and pogacar have backing them up.

[@jamesmckenzie3532]

It was absolutely insane to get Jonas into this tour. At the point he is in healing after a hiking fall that didn't end up with a punctured lung, I was just back on the bike riding around the neighborhood. He needs way more recovery time. I don't expect to see him the Vuelta.

[@JacobChristiansen1]

maybe Mou is Pog

[@out_spocken]

Wouldn't that be something if in a decade of doing it we found out it was lol

[@ToniCroX]

Just chippin away...

[@georgemccombe8471]

He meant to give away that time today…

[@Sutlore007]

I think he loves to win the stages that finish on the mountain top so much. He may try again tomorrow and do whatever he got left on the ITT. Unfortunately there will not be a drink during the last stage as it used to be.

[@EricMichaelManuel]

The man had a punctured lung and hadn't raced a day since his crash. Last time pog had a broken wrist and jonas pummeled him. It sucks that Jonas wasn't ready, that's cycling. It's sad for us because it could've been a real contest.

[@krisbowditch827]

New coach, new pharmacist 😀🥱💉💉💉💉💉💉💵💵💵💵🧪🧪🧪🧪🧪💪💪💪💪🙈

[@thebones]

Excellent show.

[@tengu2807]

I think UAE has a great team this year, they are all very strong and give Pogacar great support. On the other hand Vingegaard has to make do without Roglic and Kuss while van Aert doesn't seem to be at his best level. We have seen him often nearly alone when Pogacar still had plenty of his team members around him. I think this is a big part of it too and I hope they can provide Vingegaard with a competitive team for the coming years.

[@Maranatha92]

Let's not forget what jumbo bisma did to pogi last year,from the first week they wanted distroy him and play dirty because they know pogi hadn't had suffent base training.I feel for jorgeston but that how it is.

[@arronwood8479]

Fluff up of the day for tomorrow. Jimmy saying the 3rd climb was 5.7km when it's 7.5km 😂

[@rubrshrk]

Pollitt has been amazing. Even Soler has helped the team (he has not always looked like a team rider.)

[@jaysondulay5968]

soler always helped tadej, for other races without tadej he is a wild beast

[@Velocifit]

Soler has ALWAYS been good

[@Scrap-press]

When Pog cracked last year, Soler carried him up the mountain

[@buzzman4860]

Jimmy, cant wait for the stache!

[@rof8200]

The thing is that Tadej is probably still in zone 2 at 5 watts per kg then he uses glycogen to finish off the last 10 to 15 kms. As long as he's fuelled up and is handling the heat, it's going to be very difficult for anyone to beat him

[@billincolumbia]

Pog is amazing, and I wish him well. But I think Vingegaard hasn't fully recovered, and will be a force to be reckoned with. And Remco is doing so well, too.

[@Tyson19882]

One day after you question doping, Pog decides to be Lance again. Wake up and smell the roses

[@totonebel2610]

If all Members of Visma and UAE are healthy for next years tdf then it will be a superb one. Imagine a UAR Team like this and Visma back with a completly healthy Vingegaard, Kuss and Kruiswijk.

[@gregmarcus3064]

I am sorry for your loss "The Jonas will get better as the tour progresses". Boggles the mind that many would even think this. The guy came from a life threatening injury and expect him to win the medieval torture sporting event of sports. The Tour De France. This proves it. Thank you from my armchair.

[@rok1373]

Jonas even appearing for the TDF is a huge win!! It is unbelievable he is even competing, and lets be honest clearly 2nd best this year with what happened to him in April! People saying he is doping, or that he is clearly fine as he said so..... He is probably under huge pressure from Jumbo management to compete, especially with Kuss not competing, they have 0 big name to push for marketing. I feel Jumbo would of asked Jonas if he was at least 60% fit, he 'should' go to the TDF. Would a 💯 fit Jonas be able to stop Tagej, especially with the super team UAE has....im not sure. But it would definitely of provided more excitement.

[@pathways5520]

we may have our own narratives or hyperbolae but from any athlete who is determined to compete and win in any sports, the goal is always to capture the trophy of success, the fruit for the hard labor, time and sacrifices built for so many frequency of training. bravo UAE, saludo pogi.

[@gordonconrod7628]

Yes to Emily for sports psychology! It is huge. Nathan MacKinnon (NHL) got a sports psychologist in his 8th year and saw massive success. He then won a Stanley Cup (championship for non-hockey fans haha)

[@jeneric97]

What did Ed's shirt say? W/Kg is a piece of cake?

[@mercurial_cyclist]

Yep. It was a collab shirt he did with Band of Climbers

[@acocmvo]

What did it say on the first line of Ed's shirt say?

[@mercurial_cyclist]

W/kg is a piece of cake

[@acocmvo]

@@mercurial_cyclist Thanks!

[@mercurial_cyclist]

@@acocmvo no worries. It was a collab he did with Band of Climbers

[@romenorom]

Pogi rode 40 stages on tour and giro to this day and won 10 of them. Crazy number.

[@AlexRochette]

So… is Vingegaard going to pull a Froome and go berserk tomorrow?

[@ClaudioVogt-ho2pc]

Danke!

[@markg454]

For my two cents, I lost all respect for TJ Vangardern with his stupid comment about Pog being "classless" by winning all stages. Eddie M and Pog would vehemently, as I, disagree. What a knob.

[@maugli1347]

Dont want to talk about doping or no doping, but just wanted to say that Pogacars performances are crazy. He must be such a disciplined and dedicated human being. I mean you barely see him making mistakes, he almost always comes out on top, its crazy.

[@georgemccombe8471]

@@maugli1347 All of the top gc contenders are really a tier above even the best pros of 10-15 years ago, can’t even fathom how much they’re investing into getting faster/stronger

[@josevelasco3936]

Oat milk,is not milk!

[@stephenmagee3766]

Maybe instead of stage wins one could look at podiums on stages. Many riders blow away Cav's numbers. Pog has a good chance to break Cav's numbers. Or maybe just a total of grand tours podiums.

[@MarkTomeh]

Jonas can and has hit the power numbers Tadej is hitting in 2024 tdf. He's actually hit higher numbers. He'll get his best fitness back and improve some more in the future.

[@h31sman]

Years ago now, GCN did a wind tunnel test using a fake beard. It tested more aero than no beard.

[@Afrikakorps68]

Since I have been wearing a fake beard and a blonde wig🧔🏼‍♀️ when riding, I am the fastest of my riding group! 🧔🏼‍♀️

[@KS-go2ig]

@@Afrikakorps68that is ridiculous, it has been scientifically proven that a ginger wig would be 10 seconds per 40km at 45km /hr faster.

[@justinemarkdajay7485]

I find it hilarious that nobody takes Pogacar seriously anymore. Like, he always says, "Yeah, I'm going defensive today." For like 2 weeks now and then out of nowhere: "I'm fast as fuc boiiiiii!" 😂

[@planelover26]

Is the time trial in Nice the first tour to end other than Paris?

[@ckristie2278]

After this stage, I really don’t care to watch the final stages. Thanks Tadej

[@georgemccombe8471]

In fact I hope that none of the riders have a race ending issue!

[@NormSeli]

Have we forgotten Pogi's injury last year, coming back from a broken wrist with only 6 weeks training - and how the Visma team focused on isolating Pogi and cheering when the "broke" him. He's also just won the Giro. I'm not knocking Jonas, but give Pog his due - this is a great rivalry and it's hardly Tadej's fault that he is this good.

[@hamidrezapirkalkhoran357]

14:23 The comment by that unknown user was a bit harsh about Jonas, but I am disgusted by Jimmy’s laugh after hearing it.

[@stuartwalker6786]

He had fuelling issues on the stage Vingegaard won and he was bordering on it today!, the lights were flickering in the last KM. He 'should' have won in 2022, but let his ego override his racing brain and tried to 'overboss' Jumbo. TP greatest hurdle to a Grand Tour win is himself!, he is almost incapable of not over exposing his 'balls' but who doesn't enjoy his style of racing!!? There has to be behind the scenes talks about doing the Vuelta....Now that would cement his place in cycling history as if he hasn't already. I'd let RE do the business today to try and take time on JV and wear out both during this stage and exploit them at the end for the win (if it's on the table) and at least strengthen his position even more for the TT.

[@markwarfield9748]

Why is Jorgenson riding a Cervélo S5 in these mountain stages and not his R5?? Isn’t that serious weight penalty?

[@JSC131]

Loved the word "Ed, another level ???. 80kg pollit Indurain 80kg.

[@johnalden4605]

I agree that Jonas is not yet over the crash injuries. I just don't think he is 100% yet and can't really challenge for leads.

[@alexshaw139]

Hawaiian shirt for Matej Mohoric?

[@marcosleal928]

Z2 method has been criticised by Blummenfelt and Iden coach and others o several times, Z2 training is not the last coca of the desert in terms of training methodology

[@invalice123]

Jonas is lacking base. He’s pulling 7w kg as required but he’s too tired later in the Tour. I like Jonas a lot more now, I’m so proud of him. I wish him the best.

[@speedysteedy759]

I’m happy to call it, it is Pogs to lose, everything goes his way, a crash happens he makes it through clean, no mechanicals, plus he is just far out in front by way of fitness. You look at other rides, crashes, mechanicals or are coming back from crashes

[@snobroadies]

I don’t think anyone dislikes Jonas it’s just that he’s such a different rider than Poggi and that Poggi is that old school kinda rider where he attacks and entertains. It’s just compared to him he appears boring. But I don’t think anyone can hate Poggi or Jonas esp both being so good mannered off the bike. Remco is possibly not as likeable coz he comes across too cocky compared with these two

[@Mr_Au_K]

I think Jonas is a great athlete and he can compete against Tadej. The difference this year has been how UAE and Visma has built they teams. UAE team is in a whole another level. Jonas today reminded me how Tadej felt last year.

[@TheBassallyear100]

no slight on Remco but absent a mechanical or a crash, Pog is highly likely to win that final TT. it's literally on Pog's doorstep. the motivation will be off the charts.

[@1121sonnyblue]

The moustache is a superstition thing. 😂 he should have kept it. 😂

[@andipiper9289]

I like the PAC-MAN 😍 Better than Hulk !!! 😮

[@imbalancedstatus8824]

That Niels Powless is the Goat.

[@n.heroep2786]

New Flash to VL. Tadej has been hinted that he was going to go for the stage 19. He's been saying that he has trained at Bonette and UAE training camp was at IZola. And for god shake it's a queen stage. Yellow jersey will want to win a stage. So VL/Mateo shouldn't have picked today to try for a stage. Tough luck. Unless this is another brilliant idea of VL to attack Pogacar on stage 20. They knew that Pogi wants to win queen stage. Maybeee... maybeee... he dug deep today. He said he was empty in the last 2km. So could it be tomorrow VL will finally do their hail Mary? Buuut.. seeing Jonas was so emotional at the finish line. He is kinda "destroyed" which means Tadej was finally "broke" him. Now we know, why VL has been saying about "ooo.. if Jonas isn't 100% we won't send him..".. I think this is more about "protecting Jonas psychologically." And Jonas has been saying.. "I won't bread down mentally.".. But today.. yeah... the presence of his wife at the finish line .. is a telling.

[@bigbadbou]

Totally agree on pog being in the style of Mercks but he's not there yet

[@recrevs963]

what grand tour can adam yates win? and against what competition? he is not beating the other slovenian, remco and jonas in the same race. more of a carlos rodriguez, joao almeida, ayuso level and those 3 fellas are on the come up. carapaz will work tomorrow. i think he does want that polka dot. but anyways this podcast is very good as you review things from a slighty different angle. great job!

[@tainis1996]

Yes it is, Massive. Example, Tom Brady. New regiment and the man was unstoppable at 40 years old.

[@out_spocken]

You guys need a frikking theme song or 'lick' like the move to at least roll out to. I feel like it needs to be something very English. Something like a get a bloomin Move on by Quincy Jones maybe. Maybe. Something. Ya need it!!! 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@douganderton2959]

I want to believe he’s a prodigy but I think these performances raise serious questions. 7w/kg and shaving a 3 minute lead from the breakaway in the last 10km without breaking a sweat seems all too familiar.

[@MarkTomeh]

Stage 20 really suits Pogacar

[@armand4156]

The pac man is the person who is the last one within 1h down on GC.

[@speedysteedy759]

If this is Jonas after a stint out, how much better could he be than Pog

[@LongStep]

mou's writing reads like a horoscope. Comical that people are giving him/her air time.

[@johndoiron9615]

I know Pog's the best rider, but that doesn't mean I have to root for him. I was really hoping Jorgensen could hold him off.

[@andrewfoster3193]

A "Pog Attack" yes Jimmy

[@DelTacobueno]

Still think the polka dot jersey is overrated, Timmy? Carapaz is electric.

[@angelhorvat]

Inigo has been challenged a lot in the last few years for being too z2 focussed. GCN had an interview with someone that opposes the only z2 training. Also, inigo is more scientist than coach...also, pogacar seems more professional this year than in the past years, plus a better team than before, and visma with a lesser team than before. All minute things that add up to 5 minutes. Jonas is probably 90% as well, but i think he is more the traditional style gc winner, and tadej's aggressive style impacts his overall ability over 3 weeks.

[@burarum1]

Absolutely nobody is suggesting to only train at z2/below lt1, not San Millan not Seiler or anyone else? Why do many people pedal this strawman nonsense ?

[@n.heroep2786]

How was Vingo is 90%? He said he produced the best climbing number ever in his career. He isn't not 90%, his lack of conditioning finally caught up with him. Same with Pogacar last year (plus weak team and VL exploiting his weakness - heat, endurance and altitude climb)

[@simaosantabarbara7758]

I would like to hear the commentators give real opinions about what is happening here

[@747driver3]

CAV will make his mountain moves tomorrow. 7 watts/ kg for the entire race. Takes the yellow!

[@joehiatt1992]

The Tdf changed the time limit to cater to this human shit,they wasted a whole teams talent to carry this turd,why......fire the team director also

[@747driver3]

@@joehiatt1992 I actually agree. And, I think he was gifted a stage win this year as a retirement present. But, still I like him. But his time has been over for a few years.

[@meghanmacqueen5157]

I haven't really followed cycling much since the Lance Armstrong debacle until this year, and other than Jasper Philipson, I like all the guys. And I absolutely mean NO disrespect to anyone. But I find it so difficult to believe that these guys aren't on something they shouldn't be on. That's not to take away their talent or insanely hard work, but how could they be beating all sorts of records if they were clean? Cycling isn't the only sport I feel this way about. When I watch Athletics, for example, and someone beats a world record by a significant amount, I worry, and feel it's just a matter of time until the truth comes out. But I really hope I'm wrong.

[@johnmcnulty1129]

Know what you're saying. I too was "suckered" in by Lancey boy, back in the day. Bought the books ( now in landfill ) Acknowledge he wasn't the only one on the "Scooby Snacks", but still, the arrogance, denying & bullying that went on, protecting the illusion. Size of financial rewards in today's elite sporting arena, who knows who's "pushing the boundaries of performance "enhancement" ! Time will tell. As you say, similar situation in athletics. 100 metre sprinter Justin Gatlin, serial offender. Serve a ban, then suddenly rack up at a event, cleared to scowl into the camera close up, like a "true warrior" ! Going to be the same for the Paris Olympics, waiting for the "VAR" test tube analysis to "catch up", then tell whoever, 4 years down the line, "Yes hello, sorry you really did finish 1st, not so & so !" "We're arranging a NEW medal ceremony, if interested ?"

[@n.heroep2786]

With all due respect, I think that's bias, generalization and logically false. Just because the 90's gen doping riders rode fast so that means if these new gen riders rides faster than them = they are doping? Can you see what's wrong with this assumption? It's bias. Your assumption is already cloud with bias and generalization. You'll be surprise that the next gen after Pogacar is going to be even faster. I'm not saying doping isn't exist. Cheater is always there. Not just in sport even in everyday life. But we also have to recognize, the current culture of cycling is different than 30yrs ago. As a fan, I want to enjoy these one-generational talent. And I'm happy to live in the same decade with them.

[@meghanmacqueen5157]

@@n.heroep2786 Okay, I understand, but in your opinion, what would "logically" account for today's riders breaking the records set by the guys who were doping? I watched so many docs on Armstrong and the guys he rode with, and they all seemed to agree that it was simply impossible to win the TdF WITHOUT doping.

[@Tyson19882]

He’s doping. End of

[@PeasyFC]

Pog the greatest is surely fluff up of the day. Have you never heard of Eddie Merckx? Grand Tours Tour de France General classification (1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1974) Points classification (1969, 1971, 1972) Mountains classification (1969, 1970) Combination classification (1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1974) Combativity award (1969, 1970, 1974, 1975) 34 individual stages (1969-1972, 1974, 1975) Giro d'Italia General classification (1968, 1970, 1972, 1973, 1974) Points classification (1968, 1973) Mountains classification (1968) 24 individual stages (1967-1970, 1972, 1973, 1974) Vuelta a España General classification (1973) Points classification (1973) Combination classification (1973) 6 individual stages (1973) Stage races Escalada a Montjuïc (1966, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1974, 1975) À travers Lausanne (1968, 1970, 1972, 1973) Giro di Sardegna (1968, 1971, 1973, 1975) Tour de Romandie (1968) Volta a Catalunya (1968) Paris-Luxembourg (1969) Paris-Nice (1969, 1970, 1971) Vuelta a Levante (1969) Tour of Belgium (1970, 1971) Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré (1971) Tour de Suisse (1974) Setmana Catalana de Ciclisme (1975, 1976) One-day races and Classics World Road Race Championships (1967, 1971, 1974) National Road Race Championships (1970) Milan-San Remo (1966, 1967, 1969, 1971, 1972, 1975, 1976) Paris-Roubaix (1968, 1970, 1973) Tour of Flanders (1969, 1975) Liège-Bastogne-Liège (1969, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975) Giro di Lombardia (1971, 1972) La Flèche Wallonne (1967, 1970, 1972) Gent-Wevelgem (1967, 1970, 1973) Omloop Het Volk (1971, 1973) Grand Prix du Midi Libre (1971) Rund um den Henninger-Turm (1971) Giro del Piemonte (1972) Amstel Gold Race (1973, 1975) Paris-Brussels (1973) Giro dell'Emilia (1973) Grand Prix de Fourmies (1973) Trofeo Laigueglia (1973, 1974) Other Super Prestige Pernod International (1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975) GP Baden-Baden (1971) Hour Record (1972) Grand Prix des Nations (1973) Track European Championships Madison (1970, 1977) Omnium (1975) National Championships Madison (1966, 1967, 1968, 1974, 1975, 1976) Yea right, GOAT my backside

[@gerrysecure5874]

Pogi was injured and had a weaker team last year. This year ist Vinge. Given equal circumstances they are on par.