Did Undertaker HURT Chris Kanyon Because He Was GAY?

[@madhatter8508]

The "greenhorn" Undertaker is talking about is MAVEN, not KANYON. Watch the podcast.

[@Fat_Vegeta]

The beginning of that quote was about MAVEN. Kenyon was just a side bar

[@420benton2]

Cena casually destroying and burying Kanyon in that interview with Howard Stern was much worse.

[@piturripi]

I've always thought Cena is a fake 2face fûčk

[@kingeatking]

How??? He was only being honest.

[@fattiger6957]

Cena came off as a massive hypocrite so many times.

[@BabyMaharaja0]

Iv never liked Cena

[@watersandblue6001]

Flair's call the worst out of all them. Legit Asshole move by Flair there!

[@perceivedvelocity9914]

I would encourage everyone to watch the Undertaker's podcast with Maven. This is conversation is out of context.

[@Jeff-ge3vj]

the NFL didn't acknowledge concussions until 2016 after Seau's death(2012) and Aaron Hernandez's convictions(2015) & had a big lawsuit with its former players(2012)...no one was taking it seriously in 2003

[@slthjawa5062gggghhjjjjjkkkk]

Exactly. This kid who wasn't much more than an itch in his father's pants at the time, is telling everyone how it was back then.

[@travelingman5146]

@@slthjawa5062gggghhjjjjjkkkk People knew Head Shots were wrong!

[@jC-kc4si]

They dad on Webster a former football player did an Alzheimer's TV movie back in the mid 89s. They were studying brain injuries back then.

[@JOBdOut]

No - sports leagues werent taking it seriously and downplayed concussions. Everybody knew about concussions in 2003. There was no mystery behind why Bret Hart retired three years earlier

[@geedee1264]

Uhhhh we knew what concussions were in 2003, we knew blunt force trauma to the head leads to long term problems, were talking 2003 we aren't talking about 1803 ffs , 16 upvotes too, it's just false

[@SSJ2Phenom]

It's a shame that absolutely nobody does research anymore. This quote came from the latest episode of Taker's podcast where he had Maven on. He was talking about the chair shot he gave Maven at the 2002 Royal Rumble and when he said "green horn", he was talking about Maven. He threw in the Kanyon example after that because apparently people have been saying online that Taker was trying to hurt people with his chair shots. So after talking about the Maven one he gave another example that people bring up with Kanyon. Go and watch the episode. It's great.

[@Mikhail_Malekov935-zs1is]

If you seen the BS storm that was the Reddit. People are straight up calling Undertaker a racist homophobic man because he's from Texas and didn't know that Kanyon was gay. People nowadays will throw anyone under the bus if their opinions are not 1:1 with theirs.

[@SSJ2Phenom]

@@Mikhail_Malekov935-zs1is It's ridiculous. I don't remember Taker ever talking politics in public. EVER. Yet people automatically assume. Here's my thing, I am very much left leaning. So if Taker is on the Right then I'll have to disagree with him on things, but I'd still be a fan of his. He deserves much more respect than those people are giving him. That makes me sad. They're doing to him exactly what they complain about when it's done to them. It's like all people know how to do these days is project.

[@ButWhatIfItIs]

​@@Mikhail_Malekov935-zs1isAnd as an actual gay dude himself, that's ludicrous. But I'm telling you, some people have extreme snobbery and prejudice towards Americans from the south or the Appalachians. It's no more fair than making unfounded assumptions about gay people.

[@ButWhatIfItIs]

​@@SSJ2PhenomI just remarked upon this in my own comment. My niece gets raging because she, a straight (mostly) white woman, doesn't get to tell me how I feel about gender fluidity etc being foisted upon us (I think it's a disgrace. It's a disgrace to actual trans people, not to mention is giving homophobes and bigots cause to want to accost or hit people like me now... Thanks militant lefties I owe you an f'n solid 🙏🏼) Or white folk telling me, with his black uncle and extended family, how to behave around ethnic minorities. Hint: you don't change it up whatsoever! They like me because I'm the only kid who wasn't a brat, and the only white kid who loved their spicy dishes. Almost like you don't try being so stage-managed it won't be an issue y'know? Anyway... I don't think Taker is a homophobe. And he's had his career now. What would he have to lose?

[@geedee1264]

Taker is a massive war hawk on foreign policy and a blue lives matter man.

[@TheZotman5]

Look at the chair shots Taker gave Maven or Kennedy. Kanyon took nothing like those.

[@TheNextStep851]

The chair shot to Maven at the Rumble was nasty, but the one to Kanyon's head on Smackdown is probably the worst one I've ever seen.

[@Jarl3169]

Nah the one to Kanyons head was worse than Mavens, Mavens weren't that bad Kennedys were probably the worse

[@076Tay]

Maven & Kennedy chair was worse. Instead of Kanyon addressing his demons at that time he used being gay as an escape goat & if VKM don’t see money in a person no matter how good the wrestler was he would not push that wrestler & Kanyon should’ve understood that

[@maar13]

Just one thing about the CTE comment.... No, by 2003 no one was really up to speed with CTE, it was until 2007 started to be taken on account on a mainstream manner (Nowinsky started with that before but not in 2003 and none listened to him at that point), after the Benoit incident.

[@geedee1264]

That's in he world of WWE, not the real world, they HAD to start taking it seriously after the murder suicide in 2007, they knew fine well, they just didn't give a flying fuck

[@1980nadim]

@@geedee1264 the first recorded cte case in nfl Was 2002 so its right about that timeframe were dr. Omalu posted his Research and so to say in 2003 it was Common knowledge is dishonest. It wasnt until 2007 when the New York times posted that big articel were public awareness was raised. In 2003 almost no Sport gave a flying f about cte

[@wolfman210]

CTE was known about in boxing to the point boxers themselves joked about it. They called it "Punch-Drunk Syndrome".

[@JACKXK]

Kanyon came out of a box -- so he was automatically over.

[@orestodomundo6652]

😂 cornette is that you?

[@GodLovesYou828]

Vince made him come out the closet well a box,

[@jamesblevins5088]

Anyone that comes out of a box is automatically over. Everyone knows that.

[@comradecarabao9122]

​@@orestodomundo6652You got the reference! 😆 The Russo-Cornette feud will never not be funny.

[@MyNameIsUnavailable]

Kanyon came out of a box, but never came in one.

[@longjohn526]

I always thought it was stupid and looked fake if you let someone give you a chair shot and you didn't raise your hands to block it ...... Nothing looks sillier than someone throwing a chair and the other guys just stands there with his hands at his side waiting to get hit

[@Gmen1212]

You know what’s so crazy is I never thought of it that way but your absolutely right. It looks better and more realistic when a guy puts his hand up when he is about to get hit with a chair. And the unwritten rule is if you do your kinda considered a punk. But it does look better like that

[@geedee1264]

No because then youd just cover your head and get hit on the arm, rather than some silly motion of looking like you're trying to push the chair away, looks choreographed

[@geedee1264]

But that's still better than a concussion, the advice at the time was to "tuck your chin", and don't put your hands up cuz it looks fake

[@ryankeefe2102]

Do I think Taker hit him that hard because he was gay? No. He hit Maven and Mr Kennedy as hard if not harder and they weren't gay. Now was there some bullshit going on behind the scenes because Kanyon was gay? I'm not naive enough to say No, but I think a lot of Kayon's issues played more of a part in how his run in wwe turned out than him being gay did.

[@ApocalypticRenegade]

It's a ridiculous question, look at any of Takers chair shots they are all stiff as fuck. A lot of guys back then were swinging for the fences, look at any ECW chair shot and look at how nasty they were. Did Bubba Ray hit Blue Meanie that hard because he hated him? No it was literally how 90% of wrestlers did it until like the mid 2000's onwards.

[@Matt_Barkley]

I very much doubt it. Taker laid in those chair shots with pretty much everyone.

[@VXGaming]

Taker hit others much harder. Maven got it harder.

[@lk5388]

Lol watch the podcast.

[@Jarl3169]

Maven did not get hit harder, Kennedy got hit harder than Maven and so did Kanyon

[@JaHaskins12]

First quote is about Maven.

[@tonyslicer7399]

no way Taker cared if he was Gay or not hell he worked with pat paterson people need grow up I remember this happen everyone was bashing accusing Taker

[@1980nadim]

I also See it that way. Taker always threw a stiff chair to really everyone because in that time he would rather hurt you than let it look fake on tv. He got booked into that bit and he did what the script said and at that time there was a lot of outrageous segments. Also as far as thinking that kanyon was gay because of that segment.... i dont think wrestlers assume anything based on segments because especially when you are not a superstar you have to do lots of shit and willing to do anything to get on tv. Or dou you think that the boys thought dustin rhodes was really gay after coming out as golddust. Maybe vince had something in mind, but taker i am sure did not. He comes across as someone who really does not care about sex,religion,race etc as long as you dont bother him with it.

[@geedee1264]

It seems like they all knew Patterson was a molester and were fine with that too, extremely tolerant in fact

[@Smaug_4181]

Yea Taker swung the same at everything

[@dudescamping]

So is he supposed to swing lighter because his opponent was gay?

[@justinjessee]

Taker went extra stiff on that chair shot

[@brandonmorgan8975]

This is about Maven with Kanyon as a side note reference

[@craiggyre4610]

This title reads like clickbait

[@076Tay]

He was responding to his co-host talking about the chair shot he did on Maven not Kanyon

[@VeryStupid4547]

Yes: It was a different time in the company.

[@Farmerb1985]

Chris kanyon took a wicked chairshot during a boy george skit

[@rajakghosh6602]

Yes there was a DSOTR episode on Chris Kanyon where father James Mitchell (I couldn't remember his original but the TNA gimmick) made a lot of revelations about the internal struggles Chris had to go through on day to day basis. From hiding to acceptance not getting a big push. He was extremely disheartened to know that Flair on Howard Stern show said Chris wasn't a great wrestler. Cena had the same opinion but Cena was still a rookie and Flair was a legend and Kanyon looked upto his for approval. Flair was already in hot waters for Plane Ride from Hell episode where an airhostess divulged about Flair's disturbing behaviour on the plane and then this. Anyway I don't care what anyone orientation is straight, bi or same, my motto live and let live.

[@KINGMONKEY1989]

Taker didnt even know he was Gay.

[@BainesMkII]

Undertaker likely wasn't trying to deliberately cause an injury, but the segment as a whole (including the chair shot) does sound like a "punishment" for coming out. It reminds me of Johnathan Coachman describing how he was punished for choosing not to work a *voluntary* Afghanistan tour. (Coachman was with no prior warning ordered to attack the Undertaker from behind, even though such an attack made zero sense for storylines or character. Coachman claimed Undertaker even *apologized to him* before delivering a beat down, then Batista ran in to also deliver a beat down.)

[@Mixture420]

Taker knew the whole segment about coming out the closet him singing the gay song den beating the crap after him comon.

[@ryano2883]

This is ridiculous. Undertaker blasted everyone hard, just like he said.

[@maintsmain]

that's not true at all. a lot of ppl point to the kennedy one but that's clearly a gimmick

[@leonconnelly5303]

Not true

[@Jacob-jg6cd]

I think that Taker was telling the truth. He think Taker just laid in his chair shots.

[@MyNameIsUnavailable]

Kanyon was NEVER gonna be World Champion, but he was WAAAAY more over than Cena and Flair insinuated in later interviews.

[@Miguel-mp7uz]

He was never anything more than a mid level mid carder. Lol, the over inflation of people's heroes from their past ESPECIALLY in wrestling is ABSURD

[@jonbourgoin182]

@@Miguel-mp7uz the recent praise of his is basically just because he was gay and it's pride month.

[@jerryh527]

​@@jonbourgoin182you are an idiot

[@thesupervisor3270]

I think it was a WWE vs WCW thing more than he’s gay thing

[@ryankeefe2102]

You probably nailed it right there

[@radical6905]

This is super lazy from the host Quote is not about Kanyon, Taker brought that up as an example of shots he gets called up on while talking about a shot he gave Maven - who was definitely a greenhorn at the time

[@paulhetrick1759]

The Rock is gay, The Undertaker never hurt him.

[@greengamerguy623]

short answer No he didn't even know he was Gay

[@Millwall77]

Why is this even a question? 'Did UT hurt Kanyon because was gay? ' Why would he? I really dont understand why it's even asked.

[@vlada]

Virtue signaling. Click bait.

[@EnclaveApex]

It's funny how everybody forgets about Pat Patterson whenever Kanyon gets brought up. By all accounts, some of the people that supposedly "buried Kanyon" WERE PROBABLY GAYER THAN HE WAS People are stupid

[@ButWhatIfItIs]

Eh true man... But I'm always heralded as "normal" by some people. My friends know better by now, but honestly I think sometimes for homophobes it's about finding the "right one" to attack. Whatever. I don't care either way. I'm a gay man and I hate everyone equally. Probably other gay men the most, so there you go 👽

[@johnjones8888]

Kanyon didn't come out until after he left WWE.....

[@microfrogyt]

It was an open secret even as far back as WCW. Raven was a friend of his and he said as much, that everybody knew

[@johnjones8888]

@@microfrogyt open secret lol... I've seen interviews recently of Raven saying that him and a couple of close friends knew, not the entire locker room. This is revisionist history to create a victim.

[@RingsideRebel785]

Hold up - Dutch is gay??? And he beat up Maven w a chair bc Maven threw a chair at Undertaker bc of Kris Kanyon???? That's what I got out of this.

[@NLaBar]

Name of the video is an absolutely ridiculous question.

[@theneonchimpchannel9095]

Given that Taker is now an evangelical christian right wing Trump supporter, I could believe that he would intentionally try to hurt someone for being gay. However, Taker wasn't that guy in 2003. He only went in that direction after meeting his current wife, Michelle McCool. Not much is known about Taker's life outside of wrestling in those days but I suspect that he was probably always at least right leaning which doesn't prove anything, but it does make it more likely that he might be homophobic. Dustin Runnels has said that when he was doing the Goldust character, he would go a little bit further with Taker because he knew it'd make Taker really uncomfortable, so maybe there is something to it. I would hope not though.

[@42069LT]

How can he be homophobic if he used to put his opponents crotch in his face for his finishers 😂

[@TribalThief]

Taker lying

[@jeremybrowand5941]

Ryan lying.

[@slthjawa5062gggghhjjjjjkkkk]

Dude, no.people didn't know about cte in 2003. The knowledge was knew at the time and only some people heard about it and among those who did hear about it, most people were skeptical about it like people tend to be when they're hearing new information for the first time. This guy, who wasnt even born, is now telling everyone who was alive back then, what it was like back then.

[@ben7932]

Of course we did, everyone knew, especially after Muhammad Ali

[@jamescarter3196]

Dude there were a shitload of athletes who had obvious mental problems due to getting hit in the head. It wasn't a mystery to anybody who followed sports at all, even if the abbreviation 'CTE' wasn't standard yet, because that's the only truth of what you're saying. You guys are trying a little too hard to do the 'wull young guy wrong' bs out of your ignorance and cherry-picking playtime.

[@slthjawa5062gggghhjjjjjkkkk]

@@jamescarter3196 you're the one being ignorant here. People didn't know, the masses didn't know. A minority of people knew and this is exactly what I said, a young guy trying to sound off like he was there, and you're retroactively trying to claim the right side of history.

[@wolfman210]

People knew about CTE but assumed it only happened to boxers hence the terms "Pugilist's Dementia" and "Punch Drunk Syndrome". But shocker turns out that if your sport involves getting hit in the head you're just as much at risk.

[@johnm3907]

I always thought this was bad. And the song to go with it. Poinless waste of a guy who was a better wrestler than 90% of the roster.

[@robdurfee6861]

A better spot monkey you mean, not a better wrestler

[@tonyslicer7399]

no he wasn't good on the mic only had few moves he was like Dreamer, but Tommy can work the mic

[@heinrichvonwicker168]

Kanyon thought he should be a big star, and blamed everyone and everything but himself when he couldn't get over with the fans....

[@davedreamsofdumplings]

He was VERY over in WCW. I was at the Nitro in Toronto, and the place went nuts for him.

[@heinrichvonwicker168]

@@davedreamsofdumplings I don't believe it, is there video? Unless I'm thinking of someone else, I remember him trying to be a heel and the fans were having none of it. "Go away heat" comes to mind...

[@ReginaldForman]

​@@heinrichvonwicker168you not believing it proves you werent around back then

[@slthjawa5062gggghhjjjjjkkkk]

​@@ReginaldFormanI was around back then, I don't believe it. The guy wasn't as over as people like to believe. Raven, ddp. They were over. Kanyon ? Wasn't over with enough of the crowd. He was a midcard guy at best.

[@ReginaldForman]

@@slthjawa5062gggghhjjjjjkkkk then you must have missed it. "Who betta than kanyon?" was one of the most common slogans during those times, thats just a fact. Im not even a kanyon fan but to discredit him the way you are makes me believe you werent even around.

[@C-Russ]

James, you really show that you never do full research sometimes. Undertaker wasn’t referencing Canyon specifically when he said the word greenhorn this whole quote isn’t even in reference to Canyon specifically him and Maiden were discussing chair shots and this came up as a general subject you constantly do this James and it’s frustrating because often times you come off as a bit pretentious when you’re not even doing full research and don’t even fully understand what you’re talking about, no disrepute it you need to take the time to do better research.

[@jdspreest]

yeah, not sure if Mark had malice in mind, or not. That's something he has to live with if he knew he was gonna hurt Kanyon. But I will say this: that fucken chair shot to Kanyon was brutal. Probably the most brutal one I've seen delivered. And it wasn't just one shot. He delivered a couple more after that when Kanyon was down, which, given the first shot he delivered, were unnecessary. Mark should've realized that the shot he delivered was the only one he needed to because it was excessive. I don't care how many times you've swung a chair or any weapon. You have to know when you've gone a bit too far with just one. And that was the one.

[@wlewis19760]

Undertaker may not have hit him extra hard because he was gay, I bet he hit him extra hard because VKM told him to. VKM told him to do it because he was gay.

[@ButWhatIfItIs]

Which makes me boiling angry since he himself had s*X with a man at least once. I can't wait for the old b*stard to drop tbh.

[@tomtalker2000]

I never thought would be homophobic at all. He's a cool cat and laid back on those issues. However, in Kanyon's defense i will say how EXTREMELY hard it was for him or anyone else for that matter to suppress that. Especially, being a pro wrestler. Now were in a different generation everyone comes out it's ok which is the way it should be. But times were WAY WAY different back when Chris first broke in the business. And that was MAJOR taboo and most likely a career killer if that go out. He struggled A LOT with that. Their is a documentary i saw where James Mitchell his manager in WCW when he was Mortis talked about that. And how he knew about it but didn't care and was there for him as a friend. James also talks about how much he struggled with it outside of the ring. Saying Chris got very violent and was lashing out like crazy. All i can say is god bless him it must have been EXTREMELY difficult to have to hide. It's like living two lives and that's just not healthy for anyone to go through.

[@brockhenderson686]

"I HATE everyone the same"? Might want to do a typo check there lol. Pretty sure it should say HIT?

[@chadwhitfield6946]

Yeah, this dude is a clown.

[@ew2079]

Dutch said shit in the business for 40 years but now does nothing but run his mouth on everybody

[@kcjones89]

This is such bs in this woke world 😅 chair shots were harder back in the 90s and 2000s . Even a 1 legged wrestler got smacked

[@thesupervisor3270]

What about HHH and HBK? “Hey who let Kanye in here”!? And “We better than Kanye”!

[@Tanooki20]

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[@joeblo5804]

I heard he hid kanyon's purse in the locker toom....which is more of a joke than hurting him.

[@Uuusssaaas]

I don't believe the Undertaker.

[@shadowcolorado3668]

Oh yeah? Well, nyla rose is that guy's dad.

[@michaelmendoza6557]

Well Wolfgang, if that is indeed your real name, I'm sure Taker doesn't believe you either......

[@niaedmonds3342]

I agree I don't either. He is trying to do damage control because of the atmosphere that we are in now. He knows that is a way to get cancelled. (opinion)

[@watersandblue6001]

Sounds unrealisitic that Taker didn't knew Kanyon was Gay. That whole Segment was basically made to make him being Gay.

[@piturripi]

Yeah he must've heard rumors or something

[@longjohn526]

Yeah it's not like Vince ever created Gay characters for straight men .... except for Adrian Adonis, Gold Dust, Chucky and Billy Point being it wasn't unusual for straight guys to play Gay character in WWE so why would Undertaker think it as unusual?

[@ValiantWrestling]

@@longjohn526 you forgot New Day... And it's Goldust, one d, not two.

[@robdurfee6861]

Nobody knew Kanyon was gay. I’m betting you didn’t either iuntil the Dark Sidr episode

[@johnm3907]

@robdurfee6861 you must be joking. It was common knowledge for years now. Even when this angle happened there were a lot of rumours. Its not a coincidence he came out of a big box (closet) and sang boy george

[@chadwhitfield6946]

You're embarrassing yourself.

[@WiseQuacker]

"In my defense, I was reckless with everyone...." 😂 Btw, Taker used to wear eyeliner, he clearly loves gay people.

[@lukelee7967]

As somebody who has watched wrestling. And isn't going to pretend that the universe we live in isn't real just so I can say that homophobia isn't a real problem. Within the world of pro-wrestling, to in any possible way compare a person to Boy George is absolutely a way of calling somebody gay. And is always used as a way to get fans to dislike that person. Go find the many many other references to Boy George made within wrestling. If the Kanyon segment wasn't pure homophobia. Then why is it that every other reference to Boy George is. Nothing is special, if all the other times were, this one was too. And to say other wise is to be actively try to not notice it. On whether or not Undertaker attempted to hurt Kanyon out of malice toward gay people. It's also something I consider not relevant to the subject at all. The only reason the segment was made was because of homophobia. Who the company chose to hit Kanyon doesn't make the segment not homophobic. And on knowledge of CTE in 2003. It's super dishonest. Humans have known for quite a long time that concussions have a negative effect on the brain. In 1996 while Mick Foley was in ECW he gave a promo where he said that due to multiple concussions it's now impossible to talk to Mikey Whipwreck. I do not care if Mick was maybe playing it up for a promo. I've heard Mikey speak to people since then, he seems to be able to have a conversation. But the idea that concussions harm the brain was absolutely a commonly known thing in society. I don't know when what CTE is was finally figured out. But we didn't need to know exactly how a concussion harms the brain to know it does. Also, if the Undertaker, or a dude named Mark really wants us to think that he didn't know that a hard blow to the head can harm somebody because he didn't know what CTE is. He needs to feel deeply ashamed that his mother wasn't drowned at birth.

[@georgejackson4426]

Vince's snitch knew Kanyon was gay and used that chair shot to keep other wrestlers in the closet.

[@johnm3907]

Ironic isn't it. Vince himself might have been gay.

[@BabyMaharaja0]

Vince was very good friends with Pat Patterson who was openly gay so I don't completely believe that

[@ValiantWrestling]

@@johnm3907 Vince is probably bi, which is why he kept Hickenbottom and Levesque around in WWF/E despite them both being massive pos's.

[@georgejackson4426]

@@BabyMaharaja0 Pat Patterson was a joke character during the Attitude Era while Kanyon was an active wrestler. An openly gay professional wrestler would have hurt the wrestling business.

[@ljcarthan3504]

This was 20 years ago but how was this not a hate crime? Statute of limitation exists for a reason, so I'm not making an issue out of it that was a straight up hate crime designed to maximize his pain and humiliation.

[@dustingreene3273]

Muh hate crime, you shitlibs are pathetic. Chris was a wrestler in a ring nobody forced him to go out and do that spot. Dudes always made excuses why he didn't get over, he's a joke and so are you.

[@slthjawa5062gggghhjjjjjkkkk]

No, snowflake, it wasn't.

[@vlada]

You that dumb? How the hell do you prove this?