Did velma deserve the hate?

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today i take a look at velma the most angriest thing to ever angry on the planet. everyones mad at it theyre all still mad rawrrrrrrrrrr. velma is a show on hbo max animated and crazy and stuff wooooo
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#24framesofnick

[@24FramesOfNick]

Hearing that season 3 was cancelled. It sucks to hear people are losing their jobs and I hope they can find a great spot somewhere else. There was genuine talent on this show even if mostly misguided. Just because I personally don’t like something doesn’t mean it didn’t reach the right people. I know most people are not gonna view it that way and the title of the video being hyperbolic definitely doesn’t contribute positively either. Good luck to everyone who worked on the show truly

[@Hunt3rYT31]

Yeah, it kinda blows…

[@SparrowIZ]

🔹that's your mom🔹

[@theperson4yearsago565]

Yes.

[@believeinmatter]

@@SparrowIZ what are you 10 years old? You should write for this show with that sense of humor

[@believeinmatter]

@Tamara Lloyde no, it isn’t. Desperate behaviour

[@LameLameInsane]

Velma: every man body shames women Also Velma: body shames Fred in front of everyone

[@vlo4829]

That's realistic of "body positive" and "women's empowerment" types, to be honest.

[@memoryofsalem4474]

​@Blue Fire and Blades I genuinely want to agree with you but I cant. He's right

[@memoryofsalem4474]

@Blue Fire and Blades the ideals of feminism and body positivity are very different to the behaviours said groups actually show and thats true for all groups. The mission statement or ideals don't matter, the actions matter

[@memoryofsalem4474]

@Blue Fire and Blades valid point I suppose

[@hello7032]

It’s ok tho because it’s Mindy Kaling and she’s a small Indian woman! Who… has kissed someone without consent, comes from a very privileged family, along with her brother is also a very bad person. As if there’s no prejudices within Indian society at all. Like good god all of her characters where she inserts herself are just awful people.

[@crowleeisonfire]

You NEED to understand how much better you made this show sound, stripped to the main plotpoints and ignoring every single line of dialogue really makes it better somehow

[@habilterserah4075]

That velma to you

[@DRYang-vs9oi]

i WAS Thinking the same thing while listening to him. The show sounded at least like a 5/10 while listening to his description without the jokes.

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

@@habilterserah4075 no he's not Velma

[@habilterserah4075]

Oh sorry i mean is "velma"

[@jazzy7559]

In hindsight the show was a good IDEA, Mindy Kayling just shouldn’t have been the one to do it.

[@rosamy2017]

I’ve heard Kaling’s interviews about Velma and they’re extremely cringey. She seems to think that not only is she the only person who’s ever appreciated Velma, but that Velma was written SPECIFICALLY for HER. Velma is beloved by most and is just as much a stereotype as the rest of the gang. Hot jock, pretty girl, stoner goofball, and nerdy girl. Each of them is meant to be relatable. Mindy had her head so far up her own ass she’s invented a whole world in there

[@ZorotheGallade]

"I think Velma is perfect, I always saw a lot of myself into her" (proceeds to inject her own race, identity and personality into Velma completely destroying what she was to begin with)

[@drewrobinson5562]

Ya. I think Velma was as popular as shaggy is by the community. And even then shaggy is usually paired with Scooby as a combo. So idk in what universe kaling lives in...

[@claudiaarjangi4914]

🤔 I think Mindy didn't really watch Scooby Doo as a child or adult ( she obviously doesn't like people that watch cartoons ) &/ or totally did not understand Velma's character..🤦‍♀️ Completely shallow, unlikeable, spiteful, unfunny characters written by shallow, unlikeable, unfunny, hateful writers..🤷‍♀️ 🤔You know those crappy people out there who are so openly straight-faced, unashamedly, shallow & spiteful etc, that others laugh & say "haha, very funny 🙄" , everyone assuming that they are trying to be funny, & joking.. ( cos no normal person is like that so unashamedly.. 🫣) But it turns out they aren't trying to be funny.. They weren't ever joking.. They are just being themselves.. So they aren't funny people at all.. They really are that shallow, spiteful, & hateful, just so arrogant & un-selfaware that they thought all those people really liked them.. But it's always just a misunderstanding by everyone who thinks its all just joking.. 🤔So they just don't realize they are not actually ever funny.. Or likeable.. Or even respected.. This.. This is the writers.. 😁☮️🌏

[@comradekitty3759]

@@ZorotheGallade don't forget that the whole gang had a thing for Velma now (Fred who was always paired with Daphne, Norville who has dated a lot of girls including Velma, and Daphne who was always into guys)

[@giorgiokowsar4803]

I love how Velma as soon as she found out that Fred's problem is a really debilitating hormone deficiency that made him skip puberty and impacts him very much at various levels decided to continue to antagonize him instead of ask herself if it could be better to try and confront him about it in an adult level showing some kind of character development. Fun show

[@goingunder2548]

I know that doesn't make Fred intersex (although several DSDs do have delayed puberty as a symptom), but all the jokes about Fred's body REALLY irked me because it's so reminiscent of the 'evil eunuch/intersex' trope that pretty much makes up 99% of intersex representation in media, while Kaling tries to show how progressive she is by making a female character bisexual and lesbian. Honestly this show would irk me a lot less if the people who made it stopped pretending they were progressive and acknowledged they're making a trashy show with all of the problematic 90s tropes included.

[@EmilyElizabethxox]

Annnnd still wanted to sexualize him and save the pictures of him in the bathtub to get off too. Gross. Even the fact they dressed him up as a young boy for his public appearance seemed fetish-y to me. Mindy Kalling is gross.

[@fuzzwobble]

You didn't even mention Velma twerking in Fred's face to celebrate his mother exploding into gore in front of him. It's particularly gruesome since Fred thought his mother was hypnotized. The whole gang are covered in the mother's blood and giblets and she's mocking his pain.

[@dhildie22]

bruh

[@donbronson2518]

What the actual fuck

[@e4gywanking]

it's supposed to be funny funny drawn together wow look edgy!!2123 difference is drawn together is actually good

[@ameliag.9940]

excuse me what the fuck

[@collincaperton6718]

​@@bigsock8103Don't care shit show

[@bugisbonkers]

I think it’s inspiring how people of all races, all beliefs and all backgrounds came together to shit on this cartoon.

[@aboxinspace]

It has the power to bring world peace

[@itskurapikasfacenotsailorm]

I'm so glad there wasn't an Arabian characters in the main cast as an Arab myself lmao

[@Telefinity12]

@@itskurapikasfacenotsailorm lol

[@imminentlitch9267]

The four nations came together to point and laugh

[@--Ch3rry-B1oss0m--]

Liberals and conservatives can come together to shit on Velma.

[@AD_Nelson]

I actually like the fact that Velma exists. It's always nice to remember that humanity _can_ still come together and agree on something.

[@jewels3846]

Silver linings!

[@lamadrama4573]

Yea,agree on HATING it. I mean don’t get me wrong I love Velma but ONLY in the original Scooby doo, this Velma is what ruins her character like every time I think of Velma for some reason I think of her along with the original Velma, and the fact that they “thought” they made a great show is just so ignorant, like they thought they did something but all they made was trash like even adults think this is trash and it was MADE for adults.

[@turtleinvader2982]

You know there is at least one psychopath that likes this show and genuinely doesn't understand the hate. I'm not that poor soul, but I'm sure at least one exists

[@adamjames8854]

I mean just not anything that actually matters apparently

[@chriscarpenter3370]

I am so proud of this community

[@hotguyinyourarea7469]

I think I've watched more hours of reviews on Velma than I have of the actual show

[@bighand1530]

Same. I wanna keep it like that.

[@JulieParhelia]

The reviews are entertaining.

[@jonelrobinsom5911]

Same

[@DaWinglessFly]

Same with me! They’re more entertaining than the fucking show itself.

[@EDC98]

I'm a part of this 😅

[@afieldofroses]

You know a show is bad when everyone's favorite moment was the main character getting hit by a car.

[@fredricotraversiere8868]

Why she 15

[@depressoespresso9748]

If my partner ever kissed me while I was having a panic attack, I think I would lose it. That’s such a breach of consent I hate it

[@Jade_West2010]

Aren't you NOT supposed to touch someone during a panic attack? I'm pretty sure it freaks them out more.

[@jewels3846]

​@@Jade_West2010 yes! I will sometimes ask to be held/squeezed (esp if i dont have my weivhted blanket) but if I dont ask then I dont want to be touched. It overwhelms me more And for me when overwhelmed my skin hurts when touched. I can only stand to wear tight clothes and cant have unecessary touch when I am in that bad a state. This show feels like I dodged a bullet in terms of I would probably get so angry watching it based on my feelings of this review

[@AllyGatorAnimator]

I HATE the trope of people "snapping out of it" with a slap or a kiss. I'm 99% sure nobody actually believes it will work and it's done because it's a gateway to things like physical comedy or to quickly resolve things (especially when it isn't the main focus), but because it's more common than characters actually being grounded realistically it rubs me the wrong way. Velma is worse because panic attacks are a huge part of Velma's story, so it feels so wrong to see them be dealt with the way they are.

[@B3Band]

I feel sorry for your "partner". Does your "partner" need consent to call you by your pronouns too? lmao

[@depressoespresso9748]

@@B3Band No but they need consent to kiss me :] Hope this helps since you’ve clearly never felt the touch of a woman

[@therighteousshinobi2785]

Dear Scrappy Doo, you are no longer the worst thing to happen in the Scooby Doo franchise. We apologize about the harsh things we said about you.

[@ingridsuperfreak]

Yeah , I remember other KZbinr saying that too. We diddn'appeeciate Scrappy enough 😢

[@mattsultimategamingandrevi8249]

@@ingridsuperfreakat least scrappy was tolerable Velma isn’t even that it’s honestly the worst thing to ever happen to the scooby doo franchise and a lot of the hate the show gets 💯 justified cause everyone is unlikeable in it even the main character actually Velma herself is the main problem and it’s not cause she’s black it’s cause her personality is insufferable she’s horrible to everyone this show is honestly a curse and how not to make a spin-off you know it’s bad when the trailer for it got more dislikes than likes that’s if it got any at all

[@turtleinvader2982]

I'm a bit out of the loop as I've only seen season one of mystery incorporated and some random episodes across the ages, who is scrappy doo and what did he do wrong.

[@mattsultimategamingandrevi8249]

@@turtleinvader2982 he’s scooby doos nephew and he was really annoying since he tried to fight all the monsters despite his size

[@mattsultimategamingandrevi8249]

@loveutilltheendoftimes technically yes but the difference was that he was more brave than scooby was granted there are times where scooby is brave but it’s not very often

[@radcanadian7365]

This show deserved so much hate, in fact it deserved more than it got

[@SparrowIZ]

🔹that's your mom🔹

[@thegameplayer125]

what's interesting is that of all the shows that are put on the bottom 10 lowest rated tv shows on imbd, velma had the most people review it by far. approx 72000 people reviewed velma right now, 42000 more people than the next most reviewed bottom 10 show, keeping up with the kardashians. when you have more than 2ce the amount of people saying your show sucks than the next most reviewed bottom 10 show then you know it's an atrocity

[@radcanadian7365]

@@thegameplayer125 I'm pretty sure the view count is mostly from people hate watching, which makes the show more "popular" which in turn means a season 2. I just hope they learn from S1's mistake, though I'm doubtful

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

​@@thegameplayer125 Moreso it deserves less hate and less attention overall. Enough to be considered a complete failure.

[@SimulatedGoat]

Too bad a lot of the people that hate watched didn't bother to pirate it. Now we get another season of this garbage.

[@thegameplayer125]

you know velma sucks when both conservatives and liberals agree that it sucks. bravo to velma for actually making archenemies agree on something

[@MutatedPercent]

I feel like Velma was written by what boomer conservatives think liberals are like. It all just feels so exaggerated that I'm shocked it was written by people who consider themselves "accepting". Mindy Khaling said herself she was hoping that young Indian women would look up to Velma but their are more scenes purposefully making Velma look ugly then their are making her look smart or beautiful. Wanna know what makes it worse? A lot of POC communities have a problem with not embracing dark skin, for a lot of them it's all about being as light as possible and Velma could've helped with that issue by being portrayed as smart and pretty (even if it was a lazy raceswap). But no, they portrayed the dark skinned Indian girl as fat, ugly, and unlike able. Congrats Mindy...congrats...

[@beepboop2842]

it achieved making both parties hate it when its target audience was meant for liberals

[@Aiden-ud4ll]

​@@beepboop2842 Which is hilarious because what liberal is gonna watch a show about pure hate.

[@wilberwhateley7569]

As an Anarchist I can’t stand it either - it’s just really bad writing and pitiful attempts at meta humor that just over-explains its attempts at comedy!

[@FireGlitch]

​@@wilberwhateley7569Anarchist? Bro, don't destroy my stuff please

[@chere100]

The violent death of Fred's mom could have been good, but they entirely lost me by having Velma twerk.

[@Gantradies]

like, what the fuck???

[@michaeliv284]

It wasn't the instant before, where Velma disregarded her death and said it was great she solved the mystery?

[@DeeEll1]

In terms of themes and messages, Velma is like the exact opposite of Legally Blonde

[@WolfHreda]

That is a perfect summation. Well done.

[@Lauren007E]

I had never thought about about it like that but damn... its true

[@sashamurashi225]

I love how he saved us time from watching the video by spoiling it on the title of the video

[@Thegoatone23]

The only good this show did was made people realize that “Be cool, Scooby doo” was actually pretty good

[@trakzerak735]

Yup!

[@thegameplayer125]

that and the show was able to get liberals and conservatives to agree on something, that it sucks. the fact that it can make archenemies agree on something is quite monumental

[@masterseal0418]

And it makes Shaggy and Scooby-Doo Get A Clue look like a masterpiece in comparsion.

[@bitterman7258]

aight but the animation and the character design in be cool is fucking dogshit, like family guy tier dogshit

[@princesslani]

omg yes its literally so underrated i actually laugh every time i rewatch 😂😂

[@viridiankat8527]

Concept for a rewrite I came up with while watching this- 4 law students in college try to catch a serial killer, all for different motives Velma is a quiet and judgy person who has an actual panic disorder, and she’s incredibly closed off and has an intense echo chamber due to bullying, but she gets out of it as the plot goes on. She originally wants to be super famous so everyone will love her and worship her Shaggy is a stoner again, and he’s having the time of his life. His thing is that he wants to help solve cold cases and help people who were glanced over (turning the hatred for drugs to the hatred for the way drug addicts are treated). He’s in a genuinely happy relationship with Gigi and they’re happy He has Scooby as a pet dog that he’s trying to drain to be a detective dog, and Scooby will do increasingly not dog-like things in the background as a running joke Daphne is lowkey a jerk at the start, she’s really tough and wants to be a #girlboss, she has a bunch of internalized homophobia and she joined the group to make herself look competent and get her hired into something good Fred was put into law school by his parents, who wanted him to get a good job and make their family proud, he is genuinely trying to do what his parents want but he’s struggling. You know what he’s not struggling with? Making friends and genuinely being a good person and friend! Think of Brett from inside job for him

[@TalkBack17]

You’re hired!

[@pepitocovid-91]

You're hired!

[@georgeray1906]

Shut up and take my money!

[@emilyavila4308]

U, u should start writing, ur great

[@tminusboom2140]

You're fired, so we can hire you again!

[@mythicalskeleton1546]

The main thing about the person behind the character is she loves to make fun of white men just to fall in love with them and often joke about stereotypes of her cultures out of insecurity, this has happened in the other shows she was in

[@georgeray1906]

She even admit to kissing a man without his consent on an interview with Conan O'Brien.

[@bobaross6759]

@@georgeray1906 Yep, and she still has a career. Sad fuckin world. Admitted to blackmailing the guy into staying silent. If any man admitted to doing this to a woman he would be in prison, but for her? Laughter and applause.

[@ameliag.9940]

@@bobaross6759 plenty of men opendly admit to doing that and are still out of prison. I'm not justifying her actions but don't turn this into a "uwu women have it so easy uwu", especially since so many male offenders who have still walk around free of consequences. Just google military women sexual assault rates and that should let you know how many of the "heroes" you praise are complete monsters who have gotten away with horrific crimes for many decades. +about the "she still has a career comment" - Chris Brown still has a career too.

[@bobaross6759]

@@ameliag.9940 "uwu women have it so easy uwu". yep, thats totally what i was saying. what i said went over your head.

[@heathersmith4042]

@@bobaross6759 you completely ignored their entire comment illustrating that your "if a man admitted doing that to a woman he'd be in prison" premise was a lie. what THEY said went over YOUR head, because you chose not to address it. you can criticize kaling's behavior without throwing female sexual assault victims under the bus for it.

[@faboo2001]

To be fair, whenever there's a focus on race swapping, it usually means an overall terrible product. That isn't to say that the race swapping itself is bad or anything, but it's like that's the ONLY thing going for it.

[@alejandrovallencci]

I made it to episode 5 and soon as I saw Velma getting hit by a car, I was like “yes finally, a happy ending”

[@trinaq]

The Last Wish treats their child audience like adults, dealing with mature themes such as grief and panic attacks. Velma is ostensibly for adults, yet it talks down to them, and completely misrepresents panic attacks.

[@SparrowIZ]

🔹that's your mom🔹 .

[@brickowls7886]

Are you telling me having my best friend kiss me ISN'T a valid way to make a panic attack go away? Velma failed me....I can't believe it....

[@OmarTafur75]

You should make videos girl! Your opinions are exquisite

[@bighand1530]

Puss in Boots The Last Wish is one of the best animated movies I have seen in quite some time now.

[@frownyclowny6955]

Last Wish is a kids film for adults, and Velma is an adult show for kids

[@warmcoffee69]

The greatest sin is that these talented animators could have worked on literally anything else.

[@mrseriousv1]

@zxen0n big money

[@Yukimeyu]

@zxen0n In a gig to gig economy, sometimes it's a matter of getting any job you can find.

[@tsubakiofmelancholy6297]

@zxen0n Highly possible they signed a contract before reading the full script. Once the contract is signed, you cannot get out easily, if at all. They may have agents who talked them into it. 'A Scooby Doo remake, with big names, this will make you famous and get you other jobs!' Then they read the scripts, begin animating, and realize what horrid mistake they made. But cannot get out of it.

[@zenkozenko4989]

@@tsubakiofmelancholy6297More than likely it's "okay we're hiring you, do these frames" "wwwhy is there an exploded corpse and someone twerking...? whatever i need to get paid"

[@disneyqueen6319]

Supernatural did an episode crossover with Scooby Doo and it was perfect. The old school animation but with realistic monsters and made the characters self aware. Like Shaggy breaks his harm, Fred's traps don't work and Velma has a panic attack all because the monsters were real. Like it still had the heart of scooby doo but it had the darkness of Supernatural. It was the episode that made me watch Supernatural.

[@gwen4557]

Lemme catch my kids making one hour video on Velma

[@24FramesOfNick]

Bad parenting fr fr

[@shen5533]

Birdman moment

[@tychoschenkels7841]

@@shen5533 You just ruined the rest of my day by reminding me of his existence, thanks.

[@gwen4557]

Damn this got a heart and I ain't even watch the video 😭 now I gotta watch it outta respect wtf

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

@@tychoschenkels7841 I used to watch his videos every now and then because they were funny snd a lot of the times his opinion on those videos and topics were justified and well made. What did he do that ruined his career to make you hate him??

[@omnipotentmage]

They only kind of good character was Fred because he wasn't a genuinely bad person he was just ignorant

[@ChakraWarrior2012]

he was also essentially the only character to actually have an arc that changed him over the course of the series (or didn't revert back to what he was before like other characters did)

[@cynicalperson161]

@@ChakraWarrior2012 Also, he was the only one who wasn't race swapped and was made to be this antagonistic character. This show is something else.

[@overdrive7349]

I swear Mindy hates white people.

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

I don't agree, he's still a horrible thing that everyone makes fun of and for good reason too, he's insane and utterly stupid. He goes through a negative character regression if anything, he was never good in any way and every character was entirely hatable and worthless.

[@brandonlyon730]

@@CerealExperimentsMizuki I mean the same can be said to all the other characters. At least Fred had a fedual excuse of being in a nasty household with an abusive mother and father. “Velma” herself was horrible long before her mother even disappeared as the show had shown itself.

[@dudeman1983]

Honestly, this show didn't even feel like it was worth pirating.

[@bighand1530]

I can see some weird Twitter clowns treating this as the greatest thing since sliced bread 🤮

[@LloydTheZephyrian]

"Bro, I pirated this shit, and I still want a refund."

[@MajorOctofuss]

Imagine if you went to jail for it though 💀😂

[@Lowkeylie]

I watched it through someone else hate watching/reacting to it because it was literally the only way I could get any entertainment value out of it.

[@SUCHMISH]

BURNNN!!!

[@Asi-Ender]

I like how this show was the closest we've ever gotten to world peace, and how we all collectively agreed that Scoob! didnt deserve the hate we gave it

[@procow2274]

Other scooby shows were like tacos with the different writers adding there own toppings and seasonings and maybe using a soft shell in place of a hard shell. And this show is like someone took a hammer to the taco until whats left no longer looks like a taco anymore its just mush

[@believeinmatter]

This show was just painful, and it completely forgot it was a Scooby-Doo show..it was brutal.

[@randomperson093]

Thank god scooby was spared from this shitshow,i'm sure if he was in this he would've just pissed on the carpet or try to get laid every single second of screentime he had

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

Nice profile picture.

[@believeinmatter]

@@CerealExperimentsMizuki Thanks. I’m not sure where I found that photo, just thought it was cool at the time.

[@samuelsolomon7330]

Mindy's Velma is just Alex from YIIK. An insufferable jerk that looks down on everyone, yet the narrative justifies their awful behavior by reframing them as the most important person in their universe

[@dogenjoyer]

I'M YIIKING OUT RIGHT NOW!!111!1

[@Persephone01]

Yes 😮

[@draculactica]

holy hell, you are absolutely 100% on the money. that comparison is completely accurate, and i don't know which IP that reflects worse on.

[@gregjayonnaise8314]

It goes to show that, whether you’re a straight white male hipster straight out of college or an Indian bisexual highschool girl, being an insufferable asshole will make people hate you no matter what

[@neoqwerty]

@@draculactica Let them drag each other down like a shitshow version of the pushmepullyou.

[@MaddyIts2am]

there's a level of irony to the intro being about how people other than hot girls and guys deserving origin stories but then daphne is the only one who has some form of story to her.

[@Youraverageyoutubeaccount]

As a pansexual girl who just had a panic attack less than a week ago, if my girlfriend/boyfriend kissed me while I was having a panic attack, the relationship would be over faster than the fastest speaking person can say “Velma sucked”.

[@ronan-outoftime]

i feel like "don't kiss a person while they're in crisis and can not consent" should be common sense

[@hermosas_rosas]

the cat bit where nick lost his mind had me ROLLING

[@bigpapamagoo8696]

One thing Velma made me think about is diversity vs representation. Velma has characters who aren’t straight white men, but those characters aren’t portrayed well (neither are the straight white male characters, for that matter) so it isn’t good representation. A cartoon with genuinely good representation is The Owl House, which has minority characters portrayed as well-developed, interesting people, and which touches on a lot of issues like grief, trauma, bullying, familial problems, etc. It’s a fantastic show with great characters who audiences can both like and relate to, and regardless of race, gender, sexuality, or any other attribute, every character is well written. THAT is good representation.

[@thekage100]

Agree!

[@Neddyfram]

my hot take is that diversity in programmes for no other reason other than diversity is actually quite racist. You’re just using minorities as a marketing tactic at the end of the day

[@lxvelyrxman]

100%

[@harmc2301]

My brother actually just started owl house and it seems like a really well done show

[@daracompere2037]

Owl house is truly amazing

[@littlemisstfc]

This show was the reason why the Evil Entity tried to destroy the universe in Mystery Incorporated.

[@thekage100]

See thats an amazing show! It earned that ending

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

The Universe in this case being a group of kids and a talking dog.

[@HeisenbergFam]

The title is one of the most accurate sentences said in history, its wild how universally hated Velma show is

[@SparrowIZ]

🔹that's your mom🔹 .

[@altaica3522]

you are everywhere

[@robertb.7772]

Hey, you still sellin' that blue stuff?... Asking for a friend.

[@amousenamedcrouton]

Not to mention Fred's trauma was immediately invalidated and brushed off by Velma TWERKING IN FRONT OF FREDS MOMS CRUSHED BODY. That moment was absolutely insane.

[@katebeckinsnail910]

As a POC myself, I don't like race swapping and I don't think it's stupid to dislike it. We want well written characters of color, not race swapped already existing characters. Like how they made miles morales, rather than making a black peter Parker.

[@Biotechnus]

exactly. im white and i think miles story is extremely relatable. hes just an average everday kid in over his head. into the spiderverse was my favorite spiderman film

[@hannahs3981]

Yeah I think it's actually more racist to race swap than create actually new and original black characters. Like how Marvel is just trying to make everything "feminist" by stealing male characters and making them female. There's no creativity or originality, thus nothing to celebrate about it

[@MichealRealman]

What annoys me is that they already swapped her race in scoob and it wasn’t shoved down your throat like it is in Velma it’s literally just a change and that’s it it’s literally the only time I’ve seen race swapping done in a way that isn’t rage bate

[@EmilyElizabethxox]

It bothers me that the race swapped Shaggy and made him the undesirable, straight edge “simp” character. Like why.

[@stellart5664]

god the monsters being panic attacks could've been such an interesting character development tool. too bad it was wasted on this show

[@neoqwerty]

There's a manga that does that but with a mangaka suffering from schizophreia and a zombie apocalypse, hard recommending "I Am A Hero". Better luck figuring out what's real than I had, I'm so lost but it's so, so good.

[@TheFloodFourm]

I disagree it’s not interesting

[@TempoLOOKING]

The Scooby Project.....verry dark.

[@TempoLOOKING]

OZ...man that show sucked. I wanted OZ...you might like it.

[@jaredfortin6810]

Why does no one actually say what's happening to Fred in ep1 he litterally gets sexually assaulted and then made fun of for it like what the actual fuck

[@TopHatPenguin]

Im amazed Fred was able to still talk to Velma after being accused of murder and due to her put on trial in front of the whole town and then the school didn't ostracise him after. People who have been falsely accused of stuff much less are shunned from the community but free was able to just act like nothing happened

[@HavianEla]

The writers think that just because he’s white he’s immune to the court of public opinion. A strange look.

[@HerrDeutschBlood]

The show feels more like sitting through somebody else’s therapy session where the person in question seems to suffer from an extreme narcissistic personality disorder to the point where they fantasize about being worshipped by everyone just for existing and for some reason they worked in Scooby Doo characters in these fantasies.

[@inaciosthirdstudio]

I think what I hate about this cartoon is that HBO Max cancelled every other cartoon and movie from Warner Bros. Studios. And yet this cartoon is allowed to exist!

[@lavasauce4229]

The race swapping annoys me personally because it feels like a “Hand-me-down” why try harder to make an original new mystery solving group with their own new struggles and humors when you can just race swap and call it a day. People don’t just deserve representation but EFFORT in better representation to create something new and exciting

[@daalimbe]

and they never use the idea to actually explore what that change might mean for the characters!!!! or even how it contextualizes their personalities or anything like that!! commit if you're going to do a shallow swap for the sake of media attention man seriously!!!!!!

[@R.Lennartz]

I feel like it makes them look as if they can't create good stories on their own (which isn't the case obviously), so they have to take a white story, and change the race, it's very low effort. Like a car manufacturer saying they've designed a new car, but it's actually just an old beloved car model with a different color of paint.

[@WeirdWonderful]

That's why I hated stuff like Marvel's performative "All New All Different" initiative, where they race and gender swapped 90 % of their most well known characters....only for most if not all of them returning to their original characters. Instead of actualy pushing any of their existing characters who fit the bill, they just tried to race-swap their most popular characters to be minorities...except brand recognition absolutely DICTATED the original characters with DECADES worth of recognition and marketability would absolutely return. No way Iron Man would just be permanently replaced by a random teenage girl, for example.

[@gonfreecss5260]

Real

[@iamc4mii]

THANK YOU! ☝🏾

[@RobertStoll]

Velma is, in many ways, an amalgamation of post-modern tropes gone wrong. Messages can't be understated or contextualized, they have to be as surface level and absolute as possible. Plot? Sure, so long as it doesn't get in the way of the messages - and if it does, it has to go. This includes character arcs, world building, any sort of conflict wherein characters of protected classes *might* show weakness, or subtlety. Also, if you're doing a cartoon make it *meta* because we as an industry are so over these genres that we're making but, in not wanting to completely piss off fans, need to include them. Best then to make fun of them so our derision looks tongue and cheek.

[@hatman4818]

Yep, the epitome of modern writing is to commit to nothing at all rather than commit to the wrong thing, then just call your critics racist in the hopes they guilt watch it.

[@RobertStoll]

@@hatman4818 Not entirely. But when shows go down that road it is a sad sight.

[@heathersmith4042]

it's really sad to watch velma directly rip cartoons as a loser media for losers- and know that professional animators had to sit and animate that scene calling their livelihoods pathetic. i don't understand why media companies haven't yet learned the simplest lesson: your team needs to be fans of the show you're adapting, and of the genre you're adapting it to. i wouldn't write a very good sci fi show since i'm not a fan of sci fi- i don't vibe with what in that genre makes the fans like it. and if kaling isn't a fan of cartoons, DONT FUCKING MAKE ONE.

[@DaInternetBear]

Hearing the animosity towards this show always makes me smile, I just hope people ignore it when it gets its second season

[@llcdrdndgrbd]

This show may end up getting 3 seasons due to hate watching and KZbinrs making content

[@johnnycage6676]

@@llcdrdndgrbddoubt it after the 3 episode everyone got bored of the hate train I don’t think this gets a second season

[@DaInternetBear]

@@johnnycage6676 I think the fact that most people will pirate it is even more relevant. The viewing numbers it did on most streaming services was abysmal. It had a massive dropoff once the novelty of hating on it was played out.

[@adeptdamage3669]

@@DaInternetBear Any sources on that.

[@gokuxsephiroth4505]

I've heard they're not making season 2 anymore. I saw a few news headlines - not sure if it's true or not.

[@silvercrescent1264]

The part that kinda pisses me off is they claim they had access to all of the Hana Barbera catalogue and ignored the already established origin story in the Behind the Scenes with Scooby Doo shorts where in we SEE Daphne's dad. She is the ONLY one who we know her parents as far as I know, or at least her dad.

[@nightwishlady]

We actually saw Fred's parent in an episode and Velmas family in a movie special , just shaggy's parents never came up

[@silvercrescent1264]

@@nightwishlady CRAP!!! Your right! I completely forgot about those! We see Freds parents in the pirate ship movie! I havent seen the Velma one! What movie is it?

[@smelloid1]

I think the main reason that people get so mad at the race swaps has less to do with the race swaps themselves and more to do with our own pattern recognition. Basically race/gender swaping being related to the quality of the show is false but they happen to be doing it and making a bad show at the same time. Because it's such an obvious change and we are designed to see patterns they are effectively associating the idea of race/gender swapped characters with bad shows that people may have a large emotional investment in. It's important for us all to step back and consciously realise that it's not the swap that makes it bad, it's the writing. A good example of this done right is the character Starbuck in Battlestar Galactica.

[@ryszakowy]

it's a pattern... you think name of scooby-doo cast and you see "scooby-doo where are you" or "what's new scooby-doo" or any of the movies, maybe even mystery inc. and then - raceswapped pile of shit is shoved into your face that's not velma and that's not the cast and they attack you with "you racist" fuckin' a i'm racist! velma is a white nerd not spiteful indian self insert! their characters are ruined and don't even pretend to acting like them. racist, bigot, -phobe. - fuck them. they ruined it and somehow it's supposed to be everyone else's fault. and plot of the show? character arcs? - literal crap and everyone hates it. it's a pattern - they advertise something with raceswaps and "adult humor", it's complete trash with woke pandering and you know it from first second with their PR trying to defend it by calling everyone who dislikes it racist. well maybe if they weren't racist towards white and heterophobic there wouldn't be a problem

[@CommitSudoku7]

No, it's the swap that makes it bad. Stop cucking.

[@shilohgentilly9495]

No, bro. We're mainly pissed that we didn't get the damn dog.

[@claudiaarjangi4914]

Yep, totally.. Who cares about colour swaps.. As long as the writing fits the characters it's written for.. edit- Sorta like swapping a little infant preschool boy character ( written for in the script ) for a 45yr old woman, without actually changing the speaking parts & actions.. It would look stupid with that woman sitting in infants class speaking toddlers words.. You have to fit the writing to the characters.. Then no one notices or cares.. Instead of just bad faith virtue signaling for PC or "woke" agenda cred in the stockholders boardroom.. 😁☮️🌏

[@Brother_Piner]

@@claudiaarjangi4914The reason is because then it stops being that character. It’s almost always forced, and if you’re asking who cares, I’m obligated to respond that the people doing the race swaps seem to care enough to do them in the first place. Sorry, but if a character is animated, it doesn’t matter who you get to portray them, they should be their original race if you’re being true to the character. You can have a really well-written black character in a story, and if they contribute well, then great. But forcing a race swap will always come across as forced in animated media. I say animated because in that case, you can have anyone of any background or any look, and as long as they get the voice right, it’s golden. Tons of people who aren’t white have voiced white characters or any character of any race, and they’re great. There’s no need to force stuff like this, it just gives people the impression that all characters that are white these days are only there begrudgingly, like they need to step aside. It’s insulting. It also insinuates that black people can’t make good characters of their own. They have to leech of previous white characters. Both sentiments are racist. In line-action it’s different. Samuel L. Jackson really was just the best guy for the role of Nick Fury, who was traditionally white. But animated media has no excuses.

[@peterang78]

HBO Max: "Come on! Give Velma a chance!" Audience: "What about Infinite Train? Did you gave that show a chance? DID YOU?!"

[@aboxinspace]

now THAT is a torrent I'm still glad to have around

[@hectorthecartoonandvideoga9328]

Wow who cares? HBO Max already gave Infinity Train past 2 seasons. Do you expect Velma NOT to get a Season 2? Every cartoon does nowadays (outside of miniseries).

[@joyc.e.7511]

@@hectorthecartoonandvideoga9328 Infinity train is MUCH better though??? Good shows should get more seasons and bad shows should not. Very simple. There was still many stories Infinity Train had left to tell and people enjoyed it. While hate watching and bad publicity alone is getting Velma another season...

[@hectorthecartoonandvideoga9328]

@@joyc.e.7511 Velma getting another season is not surprising. Every show nowadays gets a Season 2, so there's no reason to be upset over this.

[@LloydTheZephyrian]

@@hectorthecartoonandvideoga9328 Most shows have 2 seasons prepared from the get-go, and they usually just announce Season 2 early on to get more intrigue from people because "oh, it's getting a second season?" hype.

[@m3390-n8b]

it hurts to see them say only hot women can get murdered... its the same vibes as saying "what was she wearing?"

[@HavianEla]

Considering Mindy Khaling kissed a gay man while they were acting out a scene where there WAS no kiss and freaked him out, it doesn’t surprise me Velma has jokes making light of SA.

[@SecondBestArtMuseum]

It's funny that the best argument was, "You just hate it because it's woke," and when the full show came out, the people defending it with that argument did a full 180 and said, "This isn't progressive or woke, this has to be a right-wing psyop to make a parody of a progressive show."

[@neoqwerty]

To be fair: the people saying it was gonna be bad had the same amount of legs to stand on than the ones who blasted them: 0.2 of a leg, like maybe a couple toes to stand on. I've seen shows start off with awful cookiecutter stuff, and some start out cool AF... And then do a complete turn around and the cookiecutter--syke! still haunts me 10 years later with its heartbreaking ending, while the cool AF one managed to make me so angry and betrayed with season 2 ruining its whole premise. And then there's that time I got Usagi Dropped. But also the 180 "THIS HAS TO BE A PSYOPS" is hilarious because, that's just what an awful soapbox looks like, yes progressives can suck at writing and worldbuilding and plot outlining like anyone else, politics don't give a skill modifier to writing anymore than my heathen opinion that banana and pineapple is good on a ham pizza makes me god-tier at weird narrative choices.

[@vlo4829]

@@neoqwerty The series was advertised and talked about prior to its release by Mindy herself in a way that made it clear it had a political agenda, so the people who thought it was going to be trash had more than a few hints. Did some KZbinrs milk it way too much before it was released? Yes. But the distrust wasn't unfounded.

[@lo4tr]

@@neoqwerty To be fair, when people overreact about race/gender/sexuality changes (and they DO overreact) it's coming off the backs of multiple years of multiple 'woke reboots' where being diverse was used as a crutch for bad and/or lazy writing. I tend to find more fault with people that get upset over a new IP with a diverse cast than I do with people that get upset of an established IP having the characters be race-swapped. I mean, if people still get to complain about whitewashing done in Hollywood (which, to be fair, is still a pretty big issue) then people get to complain when the opposite happens. I just find that most of the complaining one way or another is impotent; you can rant and rave anyway you want but nothing you say will actually cause the creators to change a damn thing.

[@grammysworld5449]

Found the political slave

[@octogonSmuggler]

@@neoqwerty Wait wait wait wait wait. Banana on pizza...? Is that good tho? That actually sounds kinda good... I like pineapple on pizza, but I've never tried banana... hmmm....🧐

[@dreadpiraterobin8379]

Season 1 of family guy had a bit where it was "Scooby Doo: the murder files," where it was exactly what it sounds: it was a 1:1 translation of the Scooby gang but instead of corny schemes they're investigating grizzly murder, with the gang's quirky and laughable personalities unbroken. When Velma was announced that was EXACTLY what i was hoping it would be. But alas.

[@YuuyaKZMI]

Honestly the way I numbed some of the pain is considered these characters as different characters with similarities to the old cast. Sort of a "sans isn't ness" situation.

[@InkAndPoet]

I'll say this: it has it's good moments, but overall, it feels like ANOTHER self-insert vanity project for Mindy Kailing. And on the whole race swap thing, I feel people knew that's what the people who made the show wanted, so they (successfully) found other ways to criticize it.

[@justarandomfnaffan]

Actually, this show was really, really good!! *At making me want to stare at the sun for 97 hours on end*

[@ragnarok935]

Im actually glad that Scooby Doo isnt in this. He really dodged a bullet. At least the creators had a heart to show our iconic dog mercy

[@patchnpaw15]

Wait I still say "simp" even now, let alone 8 months ago. Everyone I know does

[@hectorvergara3394]

The little part in your video at 19:00 in with the pictures of the cats and you making the cat noise was actually funnier than the entire Velma episodes combined lmao 😂🤣

[@tylerblack3962]

It’s honestly impressive how Velma accomplished the impossible by uniting and getting ppl on both ends of the political spectrum to actually agree on something.

[@giorgimamalashvili4220]

Velma is a FU to animation while Puss In Boots 2 and MANY OTHER animated mediums are a love letter to animation.

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

Fu from Dragon Ball Xenoverse??

[@orangesodawithnoice3189]

@@CerealExperimentsMizuki NO WAY…

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

@@orangesodawithnoice3189 I know it really isn't but the poster put a "FU" which I know is meant to mean "Fuck You" but I am a big Dragon Ball fan so I decided to make a little joke to myself since the first abbreviation is exactly the same and one is the full name.

[@maybe304]

lets not forget the absolutely WRONG way they show panic attacks as opposed to PiB2

[@octogonSmuggler]

The freaking Mario Movie had disgustingly amazing animation, actually. I mean, I went in with low expectations, but they were more than exceeded. It was like Illumination asked what the budget would be and Nintedo replied with a "YES".

[@Evanz111]

18:56 - I love how much fun you at least seemed to have making this video. Meaning somehow at the end of the day, you successfully got a tiny iota of fun out of Velma. You deserve an award for that :’)

[@VadBlackwood]

I wish we could one day move past "Adult = swearing, nudity, violence, cynicism". Isn't there so much more to being an adult than just "bad things kids didn't get to have"? One positive example that comes to mind is this years Hi-Fi Rush. It's cartoony, cheeky, it's an adventure and has very positive themes. It's also stacked full of characters and situations that you'd recognize only if you're old enough to at least have worked a job. It's made having adults in mind. It's for adults. We need more of that.

[@safrith494]

Your observation reminds me of the qualities that made King of the Hill a remarkable show. As a kid I thought "ho hum, this comedy is really bland," but as an adult I appreciate all the observational humor about the hassles, stresses, and ridiculous things that adults deal with. It's weird how that show was so successful, had a long run, and has a reboot coming soon, yet no media seems to actually imitate its strengths.

[@suspention9034]

Man I wish the series finale involves Shaggy using his 1% power to destroy that god-forsaken planet of the show, and reveals that throughout the entire plot it was just a Multiversus update promo where players fight a massive universal rift created by Darkseid.

[@MarcoPiazzo]

Technically the s2 finale has Velma getting killed by Scrappy. Too bad her Ghost obliterates him... And we end on a cliffailger (a cliffhanger that fails) that Will likely take Place a round Halloween. Damn It.

[@BSJ-Unparalleled]

There is one good thing about the show that nobody is talking about. After watching this show, you will begin to appreciate how fun it is to watch paint dry.

[@InkAndPoet]

There are points where I can't tell at some points whether you're fake crying or fake laughing.

[@jewels3400]

That is an accurate feeling for this show.

[@Tucher97]

The race swap is just that, a race swap with no meaning, and more so when each character falls into a stereotype that is more offensive than anything. And the biggest one is the characters are nothing like they were and like that is mentioned in the video, they only share names.

[@fbi_cheeznutz4097]

I like how he became more insane as he progresses through the episodes lmao

[@Wolfman-rd1pv]

I have no clue how he called the acting good based on her voice “acting” during the panic attacks

[@midgematic8659]

Ngl I feel like the only people who watched the finale of Velma were youtubers forcing themselves so they could make the breakdowns about the show 😭😭😭

[@hail2jigglypuff168]

There were probably people who skipped to the end after the first two trainwrecks. The people who watched it from start to end were the real troopers.

[@dingle_danglee]

When I saw that Nick posted a hour long video I knew it was going to be good

[@zunzun1995]

The race swapping wasn't why peoole thought it was going to be bad, race swapping isn't a disease, it's a symptom. Most shows that unnecessarily change character races end up being bad.

[@silverspire567]

So frustrating that there were actually some well done bits because there were clearly talented people that were involved but their talent and hard work went towards… *velma*

[@hannah-yi2su]

I live for the moments were you go crazy about Velma and Daphne kissing, descending into insanity while pictures of cats show on screen HAHAHAHAHA 18:57, 19:59

[@angelteeth8471]

The relationship between Velma and Daphne felt so forced and rushed. The entire show gave off Harley Quinn wannabe vibes, the reason Harley and Ivy worked so well is that it was earned and wasn't rushed, it developed over two seasons. It feels like the show only added Velma x Daphne to milk the actual ship than to make a good sapphic relationship with good representation.

[@cynicalperson161]

Yeah when I was watching this, I felt bad for anyone who wanted a genuine representation of a sapphic relationship. This show obviously didn't care for any character though lol

[@gocelotspice5766]

Yeah it definitely have bad ripoff Harley Quinn

[@grammysworld5449]

The reason Ivy and Harley worked is because they had plenty of comic scenes throughout the years.. Same way Black Widow shacking with any Avengers member ever other than Thor would make sense to a long time fan.. I don't remember anyone even remotely shipping Velma and Daphne

[@possum2203]

​@@grammysworld5449people have been shipping them for literal decades

[@tripp8961]

​@@grammysworld5449people have been shipping them for decades, just look up Velma x Daphne on google.. you will find alot of a stuff. they were never IMPLIED to be canon but there are quite a few scenes that shippers have used as like proof/just content for their ship. I don't think no representation or scenes for the ship was the problem, I genuinely think it was the writing. it's forced. lazy. honestly just kind of dumb where I genuinely don't care whether they get together.

[@lonesavior]

Imagine needing hypnosis, hallucinations and amnesia to make the first mystery of a mystery series interesting.

[@hassathunter2464]

And failing at that to boot.

[@thomasardis467]

What gets me is,she made the show as a homage to the franchise,inserted herself into the character just to sh*t all over the source material. Very classy and what a way to say i did this for myself because it damn sure didn't make waves how it was intended

[@GiveMeYogurtForSafePassage]

An adult origin story with race swapping and lgbt couples can work. I think it should be set before the real life first episode of scooby doo which took place in the 60s. This was a huge decade for racial and lgbt rights and that could be worked into the show. It could also address some questions: why are these very different characters friends? Why do they like solving mysteries? It would also be a great opportunity to give poc and lgbt people who lived during those times a voice as we usually speak of those times and those stories in a way which the evil of the oppressor is emphasized but the lifestories and victories of the oppressed rarely are.

[@poopy5101]

REMEMBER PEOPLE 👏 Pirate it if you wanna hate watch it. 👏 Don't support companies farting out these kinds of shows by watching them on TV or pay to watch online. You're giving them *exactly* what they want.

[@JetThehawk-xh7ef]

The only time it's ok to pirate a show!!!!!😄

[@circleinforthecube5170]

@@JetThehawk-xh7ef bro don't tell me its morally wrong to pirate a episode of a tv show that has already made lots of money syndicated by a network back when bill clinton was president, its morally wrong to steal from indie creators but imo not bigger ones and older ones that really would never get hurt by pirating due to having already made most of the money it was gonna make and for a ton of tv shows pirating is the only way to watch them

[@christopherjones8448]

@@circleinforthecube5170 Triggered much?

[@Brother_Piner]

I agree, but the clapping hands emoji is real cringe.

[@Junophobic]

​@christopherjones8448 if buying isn't ownership, piracy isn't theft

[@onepresence9460]

The only thing that i can praise about this is the animation. It’s fluid and it looks pretty (Despite the horrible character designs for Mystery Inc. members). It’s a shame that they wasted such good animation for terrible writting like Velma. We lost Close Enough, Tuca & Bertie, Final Space, Infinity Train and Mao Mao for this? That’s unfair.

[@marcusblackwell2372]

I have another: Frank Welker was Fred's dad

[@andrewduong2740]

Pretty much it. It feels a lot like The Venture Bros.

[@Persephone01]

Never forgive them for infinity train.

[@tessmiller7943]

Dont forget inside job

[@HazbinCovenWitch]

I miss my boi Mao Mao. 😭

[@mr.tapman8685]

There actually were parts of this show that I did like… which only made it worse knowing the show could have been decent and just wasn’t.

[@OPGardevoir]

8:00 I'd just like to say that Daphne is definitely NOT clumsy (or stuck up), shes even shown to be the most capable character on multiple occasions

[@Jcat_Nguy23]

I agree she isn't stuck up in most versions, but she IS clumsy. They call her danger-prone Daphne because she gets herself into little falls and stuff often

[@doubt2022]

if creators of an upcoming show attack their fans (directly or indirectly) the show is 100% going to be bad, and these creators know it.

[@guillermopena8412]

Everyone owes a fucking apology to Scrappy Doo.

[@cobalttj6356]

"I have watched the entire show" my condolences...

[@february4206]

Shout out to "Trick or Treat Scooby-Doo!” for having better gay Velma rep than the actual show named after her

[@marcusblackwell2372]

Although the issue with that is that I don't really see Velma as someone who would have a long-term romantic relationship with anyone due to her personality traits and seemingly being more introverted than other members of the Gang. And when I keep thinking that, I just have to remember Hot Dog Water

[@joyc.e.7511]

@@marcusblackwell2372 But being introverted doesn't mean someone can't have a long term relationship.

[@marcusblackwell2372]

@@joyc.e.7511 Perhaps, but my concern could be if she's a bit too awkward, if that makes sense. Alright, I admit it: my defense sucks

[@justineberlein5916]

Also Mystery Incorporated, which... had its own issues. Like that show was too episodic and was always very anti-supernatural, which made the finale a lot more jarring.

[@adeptdamage3669]

@@justineberlein5916 Still the best Scooby Doo show.

[@phoenixsoren]

As a side note, the writers clearly didn't actually read 'The Feminine Mystique', because this is definitely not what the book is about

[@julianpradarodriguez7336]

I pirated it to do a drink game with some friends and not only we ended up drunk in like the 10 first minutes, but we also want our money back

[@rifa1673]

seeing the concept art for the characters really makes me sad because not only does it visually tell us more about the characters but also is just more pleasant to the eyes.

[@Theinternetcoon]

Scooby is literally the reason why the show is the way it is but the developers of this one said “Nah, let’s ruin the whole fact it was made for kids, then let’s ruin everyone’s childhood.” 💀

[@bubalackgaming8892]

The worst part is 10 years from now the kids of today will be old enough to feel "nostalgic" for this show and act like it's way better than it was

[@hatman4818]

I'll be honest, I kinda hope this show is a sign of the general public FINALLY backlashing en force against shite tier woke writing, and that a new generation of centrists are flat out done with the two party politics that drives us all apart... If thats the case, 10 years from now might see people looking back at the 2010-2020 era media with complete embarassment (and I say that about a 2023 IP, because I swear to god, it has 2016 tumblr writing, and it speaks volumes that even liberals finally hate this style of writing for what it is now).

[@bubalackgaming8892]

@@hatman4818 For the love of god you sound like an "enlightened centrist" copypasta

[@therealbingus5143]

It's like the writers watched Bojack horseman and Curb Your Enthusiasm and just didnt get the joke

[@BasicallyRANDOMYT]

People looking at Scrappy doo after this be like: "Perhaps I've been too harsh on you"

[@AegisAuras]

It’s important to understand there’s a variety of reasons to distaste race swapping outside of the stereotypical bigot motive of “I don’t like seeing people of this ethnicity.” For example, race swapping is condescending to the swapped-in race, suggesting they aren’t compelling enough to establish an iconic character. It suggests the swapped-in race needs a majority race to pave the way for them first, then they can be handed the benefits. It’s dismissive of the swapped-out race, suggesting they are no longer deserving of the benefits of what they have worked for due to their race. It suggests because their race is less preferable they must now be replaced. Most importantly of all, it fixates on the topic of race in-of-itself. It brings a divisive narrative into an atmosphere where there previously was none. Scooby-Doo was a universally accepted IP, regardless of viewer race. Similar to how popular anime is in the west, even specifically among African Americans, despite 98% of the characters being Asian and occasionally white. Race swapping can create a fixation on race when such things were already evolved past. It’s like Morgan Freeman once said: if you want racism to disappear, “stop talking about it”.

[@bruhvibes5941]

so a character having brown skin shouldnt be a big deal then

[@MeemahSN]

@@bruhvibes5941 No, but that's not the issue OP was discussing.

[@serrafanclub63]

This artstyle deserved a better show

[@ItsDesca]

It's hilarious how he only has like the same 5 seconds of footage to play when complimenting the show because that is genuinely all that there is

[@certainlysamlee]

1:01:38 Wow, these designs really are so much better... Their personalities shine through, and Short King Fred is such a fun choice. Those models + better writing would've been a cultural reset for remakes and reboots from the IP that is known for excellent remakes and reboots. So unfortunate.

[@landonletterman831]

Point of fact, from 7 months in the future: We're still using "simp"

[@Elkayra8]

there is a good adult scooby-doo, it's called scooby apocalypse and it's a comic. a really creepy one. and i really like Velma in it. but fair warning, Fred dies in it. twice (got resurected as a nanobot zombie)