A critical review of veganism - Diet Doctor Podcast

We’ve all heard the claims that eating a vegan diet is more “ethical” and that it will improve our health and environment. But do these claims hold up to closer scrutiny? And what are the ethics of trying to force a population to eat a certain way? Vinnie Tortorich and Simon Hill discuss their perspectives to these questions and more.
Table of content:
0:00 Introduction
3:30 Vinnie Tortorich
4:54 The motivation behind “Beyond Impossible”
13:39 Thoughts on the vegan products without the claimed benefits
21:38 The loss of animal lives and the environmental aspects
25:59 Key takeaway messages from the documentary
34:17 Simon Hill
36:56 Thoughts on the big polarization of veganism
46:33 Debate over processed vegan products and whole foods
52:49 Separating health, animal cruelty and environmental issues
59:15 A message to people following the low carb diet
01:02:08 Conclusion
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[@alidevereux9209]

I was a vegetarian for 30 years and then vegan for another 5 years. Although I've always been an active person, I ended up overweight with high blood pressure, high cholesterol and Type 2 diabetes. I also had major problems with kidney stones. I attempted vegetarian Keto to heal myself without meds, only to discover that I had developed an allergy to eggs while vegan. So I (very reluctantly and with a great deal of angst) started a meat-based Keto diet. After six months I switched to carnivore, to better control my blood sugar. Four years later, my diabetes is under control with diet alone, I'm a normal weight, and I haven't had any issues with kidney stones. I truly wish veganism had worked for me but I was incredibly unhealthy, and always, always hungry. I was on a raw vegan diet for a while which helped with weight loss but I ended up having to have lithotripsy twice for kidney stones too large to pass. Some people don't do well on a plant-based diet and I'm one of them. On carnivore, I eat much less than I used to, I feel satiated after each meal, and intermittent fasting is easy. I try to eat ethically raised meat as much as possible and believe regenerative agriculture is the best way to save the planet. Wishing everyone the best of health, whichever diet works best for them.

[@pennylacombe4763]

Same thing with me. I’m into my third year of carnivore/based life. Going against every doctor in my life, I just went to this way of eating because my body kept telling me to. Within One Month I totally reversed my D2 ! I’m 80, completely done with physicians who do not value me over their System. This is how my 1st generation American mother fed me and how I fed myself prior to caving to pressures from the vegetarian people in the medical industry. I found Dr Berry’s channel for support and I am happier and healthier now than the past 25 years of my life.

[@alidevereux9209]

@@pennylacombe4763 That's wonderful, Penny! Congratulations on regaining your health! Continued happiness to you and yours.

[@paulneelamkavil8134]

Absolutely the same experience. No diabetes no kidney stones no fatty liver no gastro estateel reflex disease

[@SuzanneU]

My experience was somewhat different in that I lost far too much weight. I was always hungry and really cold. The vegetarian followed by vegan diets blew out my thyroid, caused leaky gut syndrome, wiped out my immune system, suffered from kidney stones, and set off chronic migraine. I was so thin that my body started tearing down skeletal muscle. I'm now omnitarian, a slim normal weight, generally healthy. However, I'll be on thyroxin for the rest of my life.

[@alidevereux9209]

@@paulneelamkavil8134 I'm so glad that you were able to find healing for yourself. Wishing you the very best of health and happiness!

[@adorableadornments1101]

Honestly too, there wouldn't really be a need for any of this discussion if it weren't for greed. In our culture, it is about making money anyway possible. That is why companies like the cereal producers and bread producers, and soy and corn, etc. want to fight any kind of argument against the processed foods they produce because they are making money while people are getting sicker and sicker, much like the tobacco companies did for years. Dr. Robert Lustig hits the nail on the head with this subject. Before the industrial revolution people grew their own food, raised their own animals, and they would buy and sell amongst their communities, and there wasn't as much need for a grocery store. Everything was homemade, and pesticides were very rare or non-existent. Greed is truly the driving force in our society today.

[@frankfromupstateny3796]

Modern life doesn't allow for this any longer. Small farms are not seem as important. Everyone is chasing money...thus is the biggest problem. People no longer know how to do anything other than "make money" doing things that hurt everything else.

[@xKoNFuZioNx]

I would argue that greed has been a major driving force for the majority of last 1000s of years.

[@adorableadornments1101]

@@xKoNFuZioNx Probably true, but moreso in the last 2 centuries.

[@beardumaw24]

In regards to LDL, new studys are showing that high LDL is not so important as is the levels of triglycerides to HDL. In fact Dr Paul Mason talks about some populations with higher LDL, HDLs and low triglycerides have longer healther life spans with healther brain and memory functions. So it is appearing that LDL is not the Bad guy but triglycerides are and triglycerides are raised by high sugar carb and excessive PUFAs and insulin resistance according to Dr Paul Mason and Dr Lustig among others.

[@lloydhlavac6807]

I have seen the same info you mention. Too many people are still living in the 20th Century when it comes to this.

[@birgitk6518]

My LDL was out of the normal rate it means too high but triglycerides were very low 😏 I love eggs and meat. Avoiding seed oils.

[@charleswilson4598]

When I go to a crowded grocery store, and they are always crowded nowadays, it occurs to me that a few decades ago most of these people lived on farms or at least had large gardens and grew much of what they ate. And that sort of dictated that they were eating real food for the most part. I am 82, and I remember my grandmother telling me that when she was a little girl she got an orange once a year at Christmas time. When I remember what supermarkets used to carry compared to the mega stores of today it is mind boggling. According to some credible weight loss researchers, a lot of our weight problem is not will power so much as it is access and availability. To me the amount of food that surrounds us is staggering. How do we mere mortals contend with so much easy access to all this food?

[@valbrenneman9071]

My Dad always put an orange or an apple in our stockings. I was born in the 60s but he was carrying on a tradition from his childhood in the 1920s and 30s.

[@greendeane1]

I’m not sure I would call it greed. I would call it ignorant demand and profitable supply all this being abetted by dogmatic doctors. No one would make “fake meat” is there wasn’t an apparent demand for said. Blame the fantasy that all climate change is catastrophic and that cattle are to blame for the climate change and the solution to their mis-fantasy is another fantasy. Are there any meat-eating female college students? We are being forced to eat essentially a juvenile inspired diet. “Juicing” is an adolescent affectation.

[@charleswilson4598]

@@valbrenneman9071 My grandmother only got one at Christmas time because that is all they could afford.

[@happyapple4269]

95% of food in supermarkets is not fit for human consumption so its about eliminating foods more than consuming them .

[@earthmamma85]

I was vegan for 5 years. I went vegan for ethical reasons and followed a wfpb diet for about 80%. I ate tons of carbs and near the end fell into that low fat group. Three years into it I really started to notice my health issues. I was slowly getting mental health problems, skin issues, constantly aching, emotional mess, weight problems, digestive issues, allergies to things I’ve never had issues with… doctors didn’t find anything really wrong with me but I felt awful. So I got put on depression and anxiety meds and was told to follow a low fodmap diet. The month before I stopped being vegan, last August, I was basically eating bread because it was the only thing that didn’t seem to upset my stomach. I’m now off meds, all my issues are gone by eating a heavy animal based diet. I’m playing with the idea of completely resetting my body with carnivore but… I just haven’t done it. The only time I feel off is when I eat carbs and certain veggies…

[@robinbeers6689]

Give it a try. What do you have to lose?

[@birgitk6518]

I have been struggling with terrible period pain and when I did some research in youtube and internet about how to reduce pain then a lot came that having vegan and dairy free foods. And some got rid of their pain by being vegan or cutting of dairy. How was is to you? I am so desperate cus I don’t want to swallow these pain killers ever month that at first I just try dairt free two weeks before my periods starts. Other wise I don’t believe in veganism and dairy mostly dont have any bad effect to my body. I can tolerate it well. But mostly period pain free info leads to veganism mostly 🧐

[@robinbeers6689]

@@birgitk6518 That story about going vegan curing period pain is nonsense. Nothing sorts out your hormones better than eating lots of meat. It works on period pain, excessively heavy discharge, menopausal symptoms, and it also helps you to get pregnant if you want to do that. There are lots of stories about women who thought they couldn't ever get pregnant going carnivore and ending up knocked up by mistake. A vegan diet is terrible for your hormones. All human hormones are made out of cholesterol. Kale, quinoa, and tofu are just not going to cut it. Please disregard the vegan propaganda and get yourself healthy.

[@birgitk6518]

@@robinbeers6689 thanks for your reply. What you think about dairy. I tried to go very low dairy last time before my period and it really didn’t help. Same. I didn’t cut it down to zero but very low what I am consuming in general.

[@robinbeers6689]

@@birgitk6518 Dairy is an individual thing. It is problematic for some people but not for all. The only way to know is cut it out entirely and give it a fair time period, say two months, and see. Sort of cutting it out doesn't cut it. :)

[@DarthNoshitam]

This discussion made me realize that the best diet for the environment is fasting lol

[@btudrus]

The best diet is which is based on growing the food naturally. This is only possible with meat... Growing plants is so detrimental for our planet...

[@thefit_tinybechtel]

😂😂😂😂

[@gwenchomp354]

I value my health first. Environmental and ethical issues are important, but secondary to health. We are fortunate enough to purchase pasture raised and organic, which I hope covers the environmental and ethical components the best we know how.

[@gwenchomp354]

@Engelbert Humperdinck I don't live in the US, our food supply doesn't have all the deception, or government involvement the US seems to have. I buy privately from a local rancher. We have a pretty strict ban on food additives, chemicals, and antibiotics here. Even if I couldn't afford grass fed beef, the other options are trustworthy. I believe humans should heavily consume animal products, so I put my health first, over an animals life.

[@Gone2TxInspect]

Importance of health depends on the Individual. Some contribute less/consume more. Drugs help Keep the unhealthy unhelpful alive longer. This is detrimental to humanity as a whole.

[@dawnelder9046]

Look up the work of Allen Savory. Then look up the plant based environment around the Sulton Sea. I also recommend reading the Vegetarian Myth.

[@joshuanix3333]

It doesn't cover the environmental and ethical components. You can be perfectly healthy without eating any animal products so it's unethical to kill animals unnecessarily and it's not as environmental friendly than plant exclusive diet

[@gwenchomp354]

@@joshuanix3333 Although I strongly disagree with your opinion, that's ok, I'll live happily as a carnivore, and you as a vegan. It's not my place to comment on another person's diet, I can only make personal decisions on my own diet. I absolutely agree that animal consumption is ethical, necessary, and critical to health. I agree with this statement just as passionately as you do about veganism. It's great how our diets can be quite opposite, but we don't criticize, or try to change one another's diet...similar to both guests on this podcast.

[@aliendroneservices6621]

Congrats for reaching 500k subs, Diet Doctor team!

[@zerocarbdoc]

That says it all right there in so many ways

[@Vscustomprinting]

They are total trash

[@jdw5889]

I remember dutifully eating pounds of raw broccoli thinking it would cure my gut issues, as it painfully ripped through my intestines one day I had an epiphany.

[@flinx649]

cauliflower kills me.

[@chazwyman8951]

Did the epiphany flush down okay?

[@chavbudgie4299]

Made me chuckle

[@Vscustomprinting]

Yeah. That never happened.

[@winskypinsky]

I tried vegan for two years for ethical reasons. I incrementally became overweight. Then I started eating a keto diet and SHAZAM! I went from 145 lbs to 120 lbs in 2 months! And 1 1/2 years later, I’m maintaining that weight and I feel like a stick of dynamite. When I started to eat meat again I noticed my hair and nails started to grow stronger again. Just had my bloodwork done. It really hasn’t changed at all.

[@emh8861]

Same thing happened to my friend. And she is still doing it 😥.

[@Vscustomprinting]

No one cares. Keto diets arent healthy, and you are a food addict who struggles with disordered eating. Seriously- this is the same story they all tell and its always bullshit.

[@highrzr]

For, me, I just want the truth. The honest truth devoid of any profit margin and opinions\feelings\agendas\propaganda is what I need. Basically, I'm tired of being lied to. I just want the real science with the real scientific evidence. I'm capable of critical thinking and can handle the truth.

[@pennylacombe4763]

That’s why I’m following Dr Ken Berry. I really liked the title of his book.

[@happyapple4269]

Same. The truth should be simple to come by except, it isnt. The truth is the most important thing we have as a society but it is constantly ambushed and distorted for profit and gains.

[@G33KSPALACEdotCOM]

You want the truth? Here's the truth: When it comes to diet, anyone who tries to sell you on "the miracle diet" is lying to you or trying to sell you something, each of our gut bacterial cultures is unique and react uniquely to different types of food. Some people might have a great response to the carnivore diet, while others have stomach problems, same goes for all the different diets out there. I don't give much creedence to nutritional science, except for the broad strokes, because it's so f'ing biased. Eat something and listen to your body, it'll tell you if it doesn't like the food you ate. I've tried so many fad diets over the years from veganism, low-fat, low-calorie, etc., and have always felt disappointed, a few years ago I tried the carnivore diet, but for the 4 months I was doing it, red meat was absolutely wreaking havoc on my gut and I alternated between diarrhea and constipation through the entire duration. Now I just eat a balanced diet, some meat, some veggies, some yogurt and the occassional grains and starch, and I feel just fine. The only "diet" I can ever recommend is the FODMAP diet, which is not really a diet, it's a 2 to 6 week diet, where you start off by stripping away all the foods that may trigger you to have digestive problems, and then slowly over those few weeks introducing the foods you have cut away to find out what foods your body can and cannot tolerate. It worked wonders for me.

[@Bruce.Wallace]

Sorry but you're going to be disappointed. You're never going to get it. Because the science is never going to exist. You can't lock people up in laboratories for their entire lives to study them. And without doing that there is never going to be real science that exists without a myriad of confounding factors. No current studies have anything close to the controls in place required to draw actual conclusions from the studies.

[@jksinorbit]

@@G33KSPALACEdotCOM there is an adaptive period in carnivore 3 months at least under strict adherence …in that time you will most likely struggle to get your balance of protein, fats, salt & electrolytes right. Which will lead to energy loss, poop issues etc…Once you do however your only issue will be boredom but you will feel pretty darn good.

[@winstonsparakeettoby8479]

The problem isn't that companies make money by selling food. The problem is businesses get the government to pass regulations and misleading guidelines that favor their products.

[@robinbeers6689]

And government subsidies of certain industries such as grain.

[@winstonsparakeettoby8479]

@@robinbeers6689 And corn syrup production.

[@saltrock9642]

Why would someone who’s so hard core against the killing of animals as food would eat things that mimic meat. I eat nothing that remotely looks like chocolate cake or ice cream.

[@OatmealTheCrazy]

Most of us don't though. Those products are honestly more for people who already eat meat to have an alternative to try once in a while rather than a regular purchase by vegans

[@TerriblePerfection]

So, you're against the killing of a chocolate cake? I could finish off a carrot cake when I was younger.

[@parameshnat]

Because those foods didn't require the killing of animals? Kinda like how you're probably against killing humans, but don't mind watching movies where people get killed.

[@finagill]

@@parameshnat Unfortunately those foods do require a lot of killing. They destroy entire ecosystems in order to have more fertile farmland that they will turn to dirt after years of abuse.

[@saltrock9642]

@@TerriblePerfection all cake matters.

[@henrytang2203]

I think our physiologies vary a lot between individuals. Sugary and starchy carbs was my Achillies heel: pastries, waffles, cereals, candies, sodas and fruit juices made me feel terrible. But I don't have much of a negative reaction to plants (but others do). I also quit rice and bread because they are low nutrition foods and do nothing for my palate. I feel like I'm at my best when I eat 50% vegetables and 50% animal products (by mass).

[@michelleespino9814]

I am the same. I eat brassicas, green beans, and non sugary cucurbits with no problem, as long as they are slathered in butter 😋.

[@vincentrevers3004]

Kindly show me any species where two of the same species have different optimal diets??? Loins eat meat, dogs eat meat, cows eat grass. Sorry we are all human same species.

[@billb5732]

I don't know how to even begin to assemble vegetables that provide as much nutrition as an egg and a cheeseburger. Those two foods provide most of what we need daily, plus occasional canned fish and some sort of liver source (like pate) = full nutrition. If you hate red meat, then just eat more eggs and cheese. What would you have to eat to get the same nutrition from plants??? The mind boggles.

[@yellowfuchsia1]

A few years ago I saw a TV programme here in the UK that showed how much vegetables you would have to eat to get the same nutrition a portion of steak. It was a HUGE amount. I know there was a lot of spinach but I can't remember what else was involved.

[@Vscustomprinting]

Your ignorance is your shield? Pathetic.

[@Philly1958]

Veganism is like a religion. It’s based on ideology not science just like religion.

[@clovermark39]

Veganism is more like a cult.

[@ArtU4All]

I started cutting baked goods by continuing to read the ingredients: the gums and the carrageenan… No more cakes and cookies. Bread is next. Pasta - cut out months ago. It’s a long journey 😯

[@lloydhlavac6807]

You realize the majority of the food industry is not your friend, and doesn't really care about your health. They just want to sell you their products.

[@happyapple4269]

Nothing healthy or nutritious about pasta. Uncooked it looks and tastes like plastic . Cooked, looks and tastes like rubber. The rrason people like it is because of what they put on it like meat and sauces. Same with bread. You dont eat a slice of bread on its own its the butter that makes it tasty.

[@ArtU4All]

@@happyapple4269 Disagree fully. Delicious bread does not need butter. Whole wheat pasta is actually delicious.

[@terryo9105]

Some of the first guests points are not valid. Most plant based Doc's don't recommend fake meat. Each camp has their bias. People should gather their own information and intelligently make a decision as to what they want to eat. If People want to eat meat eat it! Do carnivore do keto. If you want to do plant based do it! Let each person decide and in the end let the public decide and let's stop throwing stones. True there are Vegans that are zealots and want to spread vegan dogma.I like Dr Robert Lustigs approach. Let's meet where we can agree.

[@Richard.Atkinson]

What if you care about what’s actually true? Truth isn’t a compromise.

[@terryo9105]

@@Richard.Atkinson I agree but each side presents their own studies. We have to decide who to believe. I'd rather proponents on each side be civil toward one another.

[@squiddah]

Agree completely. I had a hard time giving much weight to what he says when he made a few really broad and factually incorrect claims. Example: agriculture is worse than raising animals environmentally. Where does he think animal feed comes from? Second point about b12. Prior to mechanized farming, b12 was available in the soil. Instead of demonizing plants, he should be demonizing industrial agriculture. That said, I have had great success with keto based on animal products, but wild claims have no place in the discussion.

[@burrsniffen9688]

It is interesting to listen to Simon. Part of his argument is about over simplification. However, he makes the claim that the Keto/Carnivore camp places all blame on seed oils. This is not even close to correct in my experience. The focus for this group includes seed oils. As well as elimination of processed foods. The consumption of whole foods. But a huge pillar of the Keto/Carnivore approach is the elimination of Carbs from the diet. And while he tries to borrow the credibility of his lettered father, that does not pass to him because he grew up in a home with a professor as a father. He lacks the credential's to speak from a truly knowledgeable scientific perspective.

[@joshuanix3333]

Carbs are part of a healthy diet. You can be perfectly healthy without eating any animal products

[@flinx649]

@@joshuanix3333 no

[@joshuanix3333]

@@flinx649 yes

[@wendyscott8425]

@@joshuanix3333 And we have much evidence from certain cultures, that you can be perfectly healthy without eating any plants. Inuits, for example, live on walrus and seal meat, perhaps some fish, too. Amazing how flexible the human body can be, isn't it?

[@joshuanix3333]

@@wendyscott8425 inuits have one of the lowest rate of life expectancy with many suffering from heart disease and cancer as cause of death. So if we don't need to eat animals than what's your moral justification to keep doing so

[@Jaebee2626]

I will lean more towards eating animal protein. I have a good science from my own experience of once being plant based. I was also once in chronic pain from head to toe. I used to say eat more plants! Now I say- eat more greens and nutrients! For me that means a lot of quality animal protein and animal/plant fat. Low carb. I was eating many grains and legumes. I felt terrible and my health went downhill without essential nutrients. I was the healthiest eater I knew- but not for my body. I thrive on meat and fat.

[@danielmagg6096]

from personal experience, the approach to a low carb diet by Simon Hill is very workable and reasonable

[@rythmicwarrior]

I think a key underappreciated factor is lifestyle. Epigenetics is everything. Gene expression is regulated by internal and external environment. Everyone talks about the optimal diet for humans as if it's a pair of shoes we can all fit into but that mentality comes from our obsession with central planning and centralized control. Life doesn't work that way. What is the most important organ in the body? What is the most important animal on the planet? The most important plant? Is carbon more important than water? Or oxygen? Environment matters. Where you live matters. What your lifestyle is like matters. How much joy and sorrow you deal with matters. Your inner dialog matters. These factors are hard to quantify but have just as much bearing on your health as your dietary tendencies. Healthy living soil produces healthy, nutrient dense plants, which in turn feeds healthy animals, which other animals feed on to maintain health and strength, etc. This is the life cycle. Life feeds on life in an endless cycle of rebirth. Every part is necessary. We need more pastoralists AND we need more agriculturists practicing, refining and moving regenerative and restorative ag forward on a small, local scale. We need more small farms, more small butchers, more small markets, more people on the land! We need more silvopastures and tree cropping. We need more vibrant small towns and communities that people are proud to live in and be part of. The exodus of people from the land and into cities has been a travesty we are now starting to feel the effects of. It seems to me the main diseases affecting the people of the world is myopia and/or oneitis. We are looking too closely at minutiae and getting too fixated on finding that one "truth" or revelation that will make it all make sense and in doing so we forget one of the most important truths of all, one we all knew as a child. Life is magical! To be alive is an ongoing miracle and tremendous gift.

[@Goldenhawk583]

no matter where a cow comes from in the world, they still eat plants. No matter where in the world a breed of dog originated, it still eats meat. Humans are not herbivores in one place, and carnivires in another, Humans have only eaten a significant amount of plants for the last few thousand years when we we were stupid enough to start eating the plants we grew, rather then just feed it to animals. We are obligate carnivores with some tolerance for plants. That is where your genetic adaptation comes in. But meat and animal fats alone, ( with salt) , will keep a human healthy and thriving. Plants cause more problems than they are worth tbh.

[@dimitriradoux]

Don’t say Simon Hill is science based he quotes studies and says the opposite, I did a review of his rich roll podcast and nothing he said matches the research he used!

[@Combinationlock]

He believes nutritional epidemiology is quality science that can infer causation.

[@dimitriradoux]

@@Combinationlock if that was the only issue 😅 with his message. He did stay very humble in this podcast. But if you watch his appearance on the rich roll podcast it’s very different. And he does reference RCT’s like the A to Z trial which clearly showed the Atkins diet to be best for all markers and this was an actual low carb diet but he claims the opposite. Same with most of the references there and on his website. I’m open to opposing views that’s why I watched it and went through the research he used but if it says the opposite you really feel duped and you realise this is a propaganda effort for financial and ego gain. Most people won’t read the research he quotes and this means that he is scamming them and selling his program.

[@lloydhlavac6807]

@@dimitriradoux Thanks for your observations, and taking the time to look further into this.

[@MrsTabby1963]

I'm definitely triggered by the fact that eating oreos is healthier than eating impossible burgers, lol (joke).

[@missygee6155]

Actually probably true.

[@sidsnyder8043]

Do you know what is in an impossible burger ? It's all processed lab junk. Nothing healthy about either one.

[@btudrus]

I wouldn't touch any of those nonsenses...

[@phoebegraveyard7225]

They are both rubbish. Make How not to die’s black bean burger. They’re amazing and actually healthy, not just wishful thinking healthy.

[@btudrus]

@@phoebegraveyard7225 "They’re amazing and actually healthy" Bullshit. Plants are not healthy. Beans are even more unhealthy because of toxic coumpounds. The only healthy foods are animal foods like red meat...

[@catholiccat8489]

I eat both .. meat and veg .. mostly green leafy veg .. and avocados .. but also things like mushrooms, cauliflower.. broccoli , Brussels sprouts ..and plenty of fat .. it’s not normal to cut out meat from your diet ..

[@SuzanneU]

I really like that you, Dr. Scher, offer different viewpoints on contentious questions. It seems to me that much of the zealotry is based on the totally erroneous notion that there is a universal human with a single metabolic makeup and that the diet that the zealot thrives on must be the whole diet for the whole of humanity! Why is it so hard to accept that dietary suitability follows every other characteristic of living things - that there is a standard normal distribution (Bell) curve?

[@kimmcnichols9650]

We do have a spectrum of diet variation that is individual… but the human body is still essentially the same and needs the same essential nutrients .. it’s the amount of said nutrients that is individual …

[@wendyscott8425]

It's pretty hard to figure out just what we need when it comes to nutrition. On regenerative farms, they give the cows a selection of minerals, and they seem to know which ones they need, in the process their waste puts those minerals back into the soil. But human beings base our food choices on many things, including advertising and cultural habits that may or may not be good for us. I've lost a lot of weight on a keto diet that I'm not even all that faithful to, but I do try to make sure what I usually eat is organically grown or pasture-raised. So far, so good.

[@remembertheporter]

Thanks for both perspectives. Still unconvinced by the plant focused approach. Would be curious about a video about plant based regenerative agriculture and where the inputs are derived from.

[@veganix6757]

You can be perfectly healthy without eating any animals. Science is clear. Yet there is no study to prove u must eat animals to be healthy. Environmentally, hands down vegan is better. If world went vegan we would reduce agriculture land by 75% and still feed the world. Animal agriculture is leading cause of deforestation.

[@cps_Zen_Run]

Carnivore, Baby. I eat the animals that eat the veggies.

[@stacymontero6172]

Yes! That's how I get my veggies, too.

[@sheilastevenson4823]

What is the name of the movie he is speaking of? Thanks!

[@rodneybooth4069]

Congrats on the 500K subs. WTG!

[@kaychown]

Congratulations on providing a fantastic source of informafion. Im a huge fan of your videos....intelligent, thorough, compassionate and nuanced. Thank you !

[@YourLifeRedefined]

If the average intake of meat is 2oz per day in America then isn’t the majority of Americans already on pretty much a vegetarian diet? Doesn’t look like it’s working very well to me when I look around and am surrounded by unhealthy people. Meat heals and doesn’t destroy massive swaths of land and endless life forms.

[@truth3404]

When people say "high fiber food is nutritious" I'm like how? How is something indigestible nutritious. You can digest it, you just poop it out.

[@veganix6757]

It essential for a healthy gut bacteria. Studies have shown clearly those who have high fiber are more healthier. Less chance of cancer and all cause mortality etc.

[@truth3404]

@@veganix6757 Gut health is important. Thats why I include fiber in my diet. I'm talking "High" fiber. Water is essential for life but there is a point where it becomes deadly. Some people will interpret "high" fiber as, eat as much as possible, which will lead to undesirable consequences. Eating fiber for gut health and nutrition are 2 different things. Gut health would be the promoting of diversity in the microbiome. While nutrition would involve the absorption of nutrition from the food we eat. So since most fiber is insoluble it generally wouldn't be a good source of "nutrition".

[@veganix6757]

@@truth3404 97% of people don’t get even the recommended fiber intake. Ancestors average was 100g of fiber. Sconce is clear. You can be perfectly healthy without eating any animals.

[@truth3404]

@@veganix6757 I don't know about perfectly healthy. I alot of the promoters of these vegan diets don't look "perfectly" healthy. I don't know what perfectly healthy looks like but I only eat natural one ingredient foods. That means no protein shakes, no processed foods, no fast food and no candy. I don't drink any calories. No coffee, no alcohol, no drugs, no pre-workout drinks. Now people are replacing real meat with more processed junk like beyond meet or impossible burgers. Which looks more like dog food to me. At the end of the day we will all have to be are own n=1. I just don't think the body was ment to process pills and powders containing vitamins, minerals and amino acids over a lifetime. They were naturally put in certain foods and not the others for a reason.

[@kimmcnichols9650]

I always had digestive issues ( prone to constipation ) and ate a LOT of veggies and “ high fiber “ foods …. It was only when I went carnivore that I noticed I actually have zero digestive issues anymore ….. 🤷‍♀️

[@rikwen96]

There are some good arguments here in this podcast. The idea that both sides could co-exist with regenerative farming and producing non-meat sources that don't depend on saying this is healthier or not. There doesn't need to be such a schism between the way people want to eat.

[@btudrus]

"producing non-meat sources" Plant-agriculture is the biggest evil on this earth. In the past, whole civilizations collapsed because growing plants is simply not sustainable. Full-stop.

[@GregariousAntithesis]

Just got back my 6 month blood labs and was disappointing in some things one my uric acid was high, 8.1 and my urea nitrogen bun was high 20 snd my bun creatine was high 21.9 both indicate impaired kidney function probably all high because my high protein diet. Still have low vit D and folate eating greens and walking without a shirt in the sun 3-4 days a week. The good news im no longer pre diabetic was hoping for an A1C that more closely matched my meter average around 90 but it was 5.4. My c peptide was good at 2.1 snd my HDL/Trig ratio 131/59 was 2.2, c reactive protein 0.5. So no eating mostly or only meat is not a miracle diet and i would recommend if you are reading this get your labs done and watch your kidney function and uric acid.

[@lloydhlavac6807]

Just some clarification on your HDL to trig ratio. They way you have it written is HDL 131 and trig 59. That is a ratio of .45, not 2.2. You divide the trig number by the HDL number, not the other way around, as in Trig/HDL, and anything under 1 is good.

[@GregariousAntithesis]

@@lloydhlavac6807 you are wrong go look it up. It is Trig/hdl the closer to 1 the better 131/59=2.2

[@karend.9218]

@@GregariousAntithesis , but your trig is 59 and your hdl is 131, so 59/131……I just looked it up. Trig/hdl and a good number is under 2. You win.

[@GregariousAntithesis]

@@karend.9218 no my HDL was 59 and trig was 129.

[@scottw2317]

There is some conjecture, barely even a hypothesis at this point, that pathologists have noticed what they believe to be 'older' Hb cells in some low carb/carnivore types. This 'may' lead to longer exposure periods for the Hb cells thus potentially higher HbA1C scores. It wouldn't make a huge difference but, if true, might make some.

[@JGdnP]

I think alot of people disagree with the plant diet is healthy, the plant based guys go on like thats a statement of fact when in reality its a horribly inflammatory diet.

[@dacisky]

Also,look at the low FODMAP diet. For those of us with IBS and other GI disorders,just vegetables and certain kinds are going to make our gi disorders way worse.

[@G33KSPALACEdotCOM]

@@dacisky Red meat is also a big trigger for some people (Including myself), so there's that.

[@lisam5128]

Thank you for this video!!!

[@tuyendo7409]

Ok folk, Simon Hill said “ How are we going to produce enough protein for the growing population?” I don’t think we are in “ protein crisis yet “ we might have to pay a little more. And may I rephrase what he said? Where does he get this information from? Is it reliable? Is it trust worthy? Should I end up believing him because I watch this podcast?

[@andyb190]

For a guy who says he puts great emphasis on the science, he actually quoted no science. He gave some very vague ideas in a very well mannered way. But I felt he was on the fence and said little of consequence. Day what you want about Paul Saladino etc al. but they are science filled advocates. Paul would destroy this guy in debate..which is a shame, as he seems a very nice person..

[@tuyendo7409]

@@andyb190 there is no need Paul to destroy this guy , we the commentators can

[@scottw2317]

@@andyb190 He also hung his hat on fibre, not exactly a resounding win if he is looking at high level studies in support of it. The main one I am aware of showed complete resolution in all participants by removing fibre of issues like IBS and severe constipation. The support for it comes from very weak results (sub 50% where 200% gives a 20% chance of being right if tested rigorously so pretty negligible results) in epidemiology. Paul Fruitloopadino could possibly debate and win against this guy, that isn't saying that either Paul would be correct or he even understands the studies he is putting up there.

[@justjane1639]

Not to mention that the planet's population growth has pretty much stopped.

[@tuyendo7409]

@@justjane1639 let focus here in America, I do believe we are negative in birth rate

[@jenniferkompara-tosio8827]

Being a vegan is a first-world luxury - the supplement necessity makes it impossible for the majority of the world population

[@sidsnyder8043]

If you have to take synthetic vitamins to try to get the right nutrition, then you are not eating appropriate and indicated diet humans have been mostly consuming for 350.000. Luxury ? The poor and the peasants of the world were reduced to eating grains, fruits and vegetables. Look what people eat in countries where poverty is is rampant, You really think these people wouldn't like the luxury to afford meat ? Our ancestors would have never chosen Vegan over animal meat and associated fats. Even a young child will choose fatty meat over vegetables or fruit.

[@OIOnaut]

I hear that vegans fart more methane than carnivores. Same for animals. Maybe I am incorrect.

[@jksinorbit]

That is 100 % true. When i was plant based I was farting literally non stop and pooping 2/3 5imes a day, lots of movement and occasional bloating pain, it was mental ! On carnivore i might fart twice a day and i will poop tiny poops once every 2/3 days and dont feel like i need to. Dont get fat content wrong though otherwise your poops will be painful from being rock hard.

[@pragavirtual]

This discussion about meat vs plants, farm vs hunt, is as old as humanity (and maybe even older than that) as we can see in bible account of cain vs abel.

[@Talismantra]

so do you think humanity is about circa 4000 years old? or as old as agricultural civilisation only?

[@pragavirtual]

@@Talismantra nope, much older, from 200.000 to 2.000.000 years human like specimens have been found. The last 10k years is just the last reset we had faced on this planet. But the discussion about " animal vs plants" as food may even come from somewhere else in the cosmos (and then its much, much older)

[@cant-stand-ya]

What the hell is that second guy talking about? Did he answer any question in a straightforward way? All I heard was blah blah blah. I’m carnivore. It’s been clearly helping me and I’m feeling the best I’ve ever felt. I don’t care for the science

[@yvie01]

I am a grass fed beef producer and I would be happy if we could do away with factory farming HOWEVER, will we be able to produce enough to make meat easily accessible to all demographics. Chicken for one used to be only eaten in my family when I was a child at Christmas and Easter, Now it can be everyday. Minced beef and bread and potatoes was our staple diet

[@jessicafitzgibbon7904]

I'm vegan but I never say it's healthier I do it solely for ethical reasons as I personally feel bad contributing to animal suffering when I can happily and healthfully eat other foods. I have no allergies health issues ect so I have the ability to eat vegan and I can luckily afford some substitutes and I know not everyone can .

[@maryaspey1841]

being vegan kills lots of little animals and destroys our planet

[@lvrichardson7966]

Even though grass-fed grass-finished beef is the gold standard for beef, all beef cattle spend the majority of their short lives on grass before heading to the CAFO for finishing on grain and processing, I believe. The same cannot be said for pork, unfortunately. Pigs can spend their whole lives confined, eating grain.

[@robinbeers6689]

Also pigs only have one stomach so they are not as good at metabolizing all the junk they eat as the ruminants are. This is why, if you are going to eat chicken and pork is is more important to get really pastured ones. The marginal benefit of grass finished beef over regular beef is there but it's smaller.

[@wendyscott8425]

@@robinbeers6689 Except that cows finished in feedlots have to take antibiotics to protect them from disease while they stand around in their own waste. At least with grass-finished beef, you know they're eating what they're supposed to eat for their entire lives, and you'll get the benefit of tastier, more nutritious meat.

[@robinbeers6689]

@@wendyscott8425 Oh, I definitely prefer grass finished and without the injections. I was just talking here about the dietary aspect of livestock lives. Ruminants with their multiple stomachs are better at digesting junk such as corn and soy than pigs or chickens. So, the marginal benefit of pasture raising is less significant for beef than for pork and chicken.

[@HidingFromFate]

Despite a cursory attempt at being objective, it's very clear where the Diet Doctor stands on these questions. But I'll give him credit for going across the aisle, so to speak, compared to most channels out there.

[@greendeane1]

When science and profits clash profits wins.

[@AndreAngelantoni]

The whole world doesn't have access to supplements, btw. Also, taking the nutrients from the grassland and putting it on the crops doesn't work long term, either.

[@jakesyaseen8494]

Watching, from Johannesburg South Africa 👍

[@jarichards99utube]

GREAT Channel. -StayWell 🙂

[@n.a.1625]

I like the conversation, but what's up with the horrible audio quality?

[@grantfrith9589]

To begin to describe the improvements in my health as I gravitated towards a carnivore style of nutrition would not do it justice. Ever since I began it has been a cascade of unexpected improvements over a wide array of health markers. I actually didn't start this lifestyle to address weight issues but it has been one of the natural consequences of the Keto style of eating. Since Christmas I've refined it further to be full carnivore and as a consequence the most surprising change is best described as a healing of the gut biome. The details are not necessarily very nice to share in public discussions but the best way to put it might be that the experience of going to the toilet is as I remember it as a 10 year old. My reason to start this journey is due to trying to solve really high blood pressure which went from 180 over 120 to healthy levels very early in the journey. So that's the background but it's not what I want to share as my biggest gripe with the ideological narratives that surround the idea of meat and food production. My owns a sygnificant sized farm and as per this discussion she has been working really hard to keep the soil "alive". Just like our gut the soil can be really healthy or not by what we do to it. My sister rotates the animals and crops in very precise ways to manage the micro biology of the soil. As a consequence she does not need anywhere near the levels of chemical fertilisers or pesticides that her neighbours do. Whatever is happening to produce the narratives around "planet saving" is clearly delusional in the context of what needs to happen to tend a healthy environment. Greta Thumburg and all her cronies are ignorant fools.

[@henrybird26]

I think the keto community and a vegetarian community should stop throwing stones. I’m not blaming either other side. I think we should all have freedom of choice. Stop the blame game.

[@Combinationlock]

Simon Hill believes nutritional epidemiology is quality science that infers causation, and that saturated fat and red meat causes cvd, diabetes and cancer. However, compared to previous years he seems to be slowly dropping his plant based ideology and his appeal to authority, eventually he will come around.

[@frunzasamuel7492]

It sounds like an interesting film. But if I were a vegan, why in the world would I buy and support the other diets that I would find bad, by buying such a film? I doubt that it will reach a lot of people, but I hope the message spreads.

[@ArtU4All]

Any pathways to nutrition that are detours from the most simple and obvious choices of the bygone era are only pretense at improvement. And flaunting the “morality” and “environment protection” in eating vegan or plant-based is a contrived B.S. of people who evolved from a society of abundance, did not know startvation or food insecurity. The ugliest aspect of fake meat is this: why push for fake “meat” made from soy? - just a thought of eating meat should be foreign and sickening to vegans. Why would they appreciate and enjoy the taste of meat?

[@tiffanyschneiderraff1670]

Great video!

[@yvie01]

Thank you both for what you do

[@steakovercake3986]

Beyond impossible isnt available in Canada 😭

[@mo-215]

What? Crazy Canadian government. Use a VPN??

[@dombarton2483]

The fact that we are still debating diet in the 21st century proves that no nutritional science studies can show causation only association. If we had studies that clearly showed causation we would not have a debate about the best diet. Look at what pre humans ate 4 million years ago and humans ate 350000. It was mainly meat..that is fact and irrefutable. Positive natural selection gives us the best genetic traits both physically and biochemically and we must learn from this. This is a meat eating diet.

[@veniqer]

Meat AND fat

[@dombarton2483]

@@veniqer yes totally agree

[@KenWang_]

I have seen all the people that are in favor of Veganism are extremely overweight. If they started Veganism at a very low body fat percentage they would realize how hard it is to keep yourself from getting malnourished and body falling apart.

[@TerriblePerfection]

Yes, they compensate with carbs, which never seem to fill you up but make you fat.

[@fitnesse1288]

Evidence? Vegans are literally the lowest BMI demographic. Jim Moore and Dr. Atkins are Low-carb advocates who are very fat. No doctors pushing whole food plant-based diets are fat as far as I know. Maybe you could give an example? Otherwise, your comment is pure speculation and bullshit.

[@juanitahardy8583]

It does not matter what you call me, just don't call me late for dinner. Keep following your higher self, he is brilliant.

[@alannamarohnic4722]

love this interview

[@MN-wg8qd]

I've been going down this rabbit hole and I think the bottom line is to cut out sugar and junk food, and eat more greens. The anti meat/animal food stuff seems weak. Lowering LDL only which the Ornish/vegan folk seems misguided.....I feel pretty convinced from the Prof Sikaris stuff

[@phoebegraveyard7225]

I am plant based 95%. If everyone ate meat, dairy and eggs like I do, those industries would be bankrupt. The real problem is that people are turning diet into a religion. I am not “pure” enough to be a vegan even though I eat and drink almost entirely plant based whole foods. Vegan gawd is not going to hand you a halo or slap horns on you if you drink or not drink a glass of goat milk or sliver of fish. The number of people turned off from doing the good because they are not willing to be perfect astounds me.

[@lloydhlavac6807]

One problem is "ethical" vegans getting so high and mighty about the supposed moral superiority of being vegan, either naively believing that the production of their food does no harm to any animals anywhere along the way, definitely a false assumption, or outright ignoring/rationalizing this fact as "accidental" kills, when there is nothing accidental about it.

[@HelenEk7]

Do you take B12 suppliments?

[@mattunwin]

Try discord for these interviews Bret! You will get a much higher quality audio from your guests and video quality will still be great.

[@maiasutherland7333]

So good, thank you all x

[@snowpixxie6673]

I want to go on a carnivore diet, but there is so much contradicting information out there; is meat really bad for someone with high colesterel like me? (183, 2 LDL). I also have visceral fat on my abdomen and I am quite fat: 135 kg at 1.74 m. I found this excerpt on one website: “If you have a pre-existing chronic condition, like high blood pressure, high cholesterol, any history of stroke or other cardiovascular diseases, you should definitely NOT try this diet,” Patton says pointedly. “Even if you have digestive issues, this diet can make things worse with all that protein and fat, which takes a lot longer to digest.” The carnivore diet is high in saturated fats which can cause elevated LDL or bad cholesterol and put you at risk for heart disease. What’s more, many different kinds of processed meats like bacon and some lunch meats are loaded with sodium and have been linked to certain types of cancer. And a diet high in sodium can cause kidney problems and high blood pressure." Thank you, greetings from Romania!

[@BenjesBride]

Check out Dr Berry’s KZbin channel KenDBerry . He has many brief, clear and concise videos that will answer your questions. The upshot: eat only beef, butter, bacon, and eggs for just 90 days and see how your life improves.

[@greendeane1]

Sumac is high in B-12 (lower than meat) but most vegetarians don't know that.

[@chazwyman8951]

Sumac is not even food

[@samuelbrainsample]

Not a vegetarian of any here sort here, but I can respect Simon Hill's method of reasoning. "Mick The Vegan", not so much.

[@fredsmit3481]

I like your presentation. However, it is important to use correct language when talking about a "keto diet". As you mention at 41:28 a keto diet is not a very low carb diet. However you never define a keto diet. It is normal for MDs to classify diets based on the food that is eaten. That is what has been done for hundreds of years. However, a much better definition of keto diet is "A diet that puts someone in ketosis". As you know, not everyone reacts the same way to a low carb/high fat diet. For example, if person A is on a low carb/high fat diet which puts them in ketosis then person A is on a keto diet. If person B is on the exact same diet and is not able to enter ketosis, then the diet is NOT a keto diet for person B. Also, if a diet is able to induce ketosis in a person and then after a few weeks the ketosis stops (maybe due to a change in workout), then that person is no longer on a keto diet even though it is the same diet. Also, people can be in ketosis on a plant-based diet, all they have to do is to greatly reduce their calorie intake and eat infrequently. In order for a diet to be called ketogenic, ketones must be producible on the diet regardless of the food and frequency of eating. In order to call a diet ketogenic, you must measure ketones! If you don't measure ketones you have no idea if the diet is ketogenic or not. Assuming ketosis based on the food that is eaten is a very bad assumption.

[@Kili098]

Whilst you’re correct in what you say regarding what is keto for one person may not be keto for another, I think they do define it well enough. Diet Doctor has always said some people can tolerate more carbs than others and stay in ketosis. However, they make the point of saying generally less than 20g of carbs (not defined in this video, no, but many times over on their channel they do). As for getting into ketosis. Calories are almost irrelevant for ketosis, the major contributing factor is carbohydrate intake. As above person A may tolerate more carbs than person B and therefore stay in ketosis at a higher carb intake.

[@jobrown8146]

I've been trying to figure out the different between a low carb and a keto diet. I think you have hit the nail on the head. Nice and simple THANK YOU. There really is no such thing as a keto diet per se. It is really related to food intake or food restriction which causes a person to produce and use ketones. And that can be different / different amounts for different people.

[@finagill]

@@jobrown8146 Keto is generally defined as less than 25g of carbs a day where some groups consider 100g of carbs a day as being low carb. To me, it is splitting hairs as the shear number of carbs is pretty much irrelevant. What is relevant is what your body does with the food that you eat. Unfortunately humans love labels and to try to break groups up.

[@jobrown8146]

@@finagill Thanks. I don't really care what specific diet name I am using. What I do know is that what I did has worked for me. A1C went from 7.0 to 5.2 after only 3 months. Blood pressure reduced, cholesterol numbers improved, I have lost weight without trying (no fasting and only light exercising and stretching) and my body shape is changing. I have also noticed that my chin hair (I am female, post menopause) seems less stiff after 6 months. I'm hoping that the hair on my legs will become more normal in the future.

[@ZX9RDan]

Since you are involved in the community, you should get the word around that pro-meat documentaries are just too hard to get ahold of. What the health and Gamechangers are both on Netflix. Why can't I stream any of the meat documentaries? (I'm in canada)

[@gesheepistemology8050]

Wishy washy opines....tell that 2nd bloke to grow a pair!

[@metalrunner4398]

As a vegan since my teen age and an endurance athlete I am really bothered by new vegans who rely on plant meats as their diet staple because they will fail much like fruitarians or “naturalists”.

[@HelenEk7]

What do you eat instead? Protein powder?

[@metalrunner4398]

@@HelenEk7 tempeh, tofu, seitan, legume based pastas and once in a while I will have oysters or mussels. Yeah, techically not vegan but I have no ethical issues with eating non sentient animals.

[@devictr]

Regarding B12, plant-based diet advocates generally argue that B12 is created by bacteria in our soil, and that nowadays there isn’t as much bacteria as before because of modern farming practices. Is that BS?

[@monikamastyk8200]

As far as I know we do not absorb B12 from the colon. The only way to reabsorb it would be to eat the poop😎

[@carnivoroussarah]

Yes

[@greendeane1]

Sides are clashing because of crappy science on both sides generated by doctor dogma.

[@sidsnyder8043]

Actually, the food companies profit greatly from selling you fake meat, fake eggs, fruit and vegetables, and seed oils. Big pharma profits from people being sick, not healthy. The doctors are pawns to both. The whole system is a racket.

[@kimmcnichols9650]

Good videos … 👌

[@paulchristian8271]

As the second guy gets older, his tune will change.

[@greyhnd001]

I am whole food plant based for 10 years and weigh less than I did in highschool I eat mostly raw veggies sprouts as well I have a heart rate of 48 bpm. And weigh only 156 lbs

[@cyndimanka]

So thankful I’m carnivore. I’ve healed and I was sick on keto. Lost weight. But GI asthma arthritis was bad! I’m 90% better.

[@chavbudgie4299]

Try magnesium for joint pain, thanks to Clive De Carle, it worked for me . Though I wasn't on a carnivore diet then, which I have just started. Good luck

[@cyndimanka]

@@chavbudgie4299 I don’t have joint pain and my magnesium levels are great

[@cyndimanka]

@@chavbudgie4299 I prevent illness, not medicated

[@gailivey2015]

40:20 I agree, but! 40:57 "you're too ignorant to understand." headdesk

[@pastortodd1964]

When you know you are wrong, you can't intelligently defend it. Watch The Proof with Simon Hill. They sit around and tell everyone how smart they are but never truly debate intelligent men or women. He actually comes across well here.

[@snowpixxie6673]

"Long-Term Consequences of the Carnivore Diet Following the carnivore diet for a prolonged long time could lead to a score of health issues. “It’s massively devoid in nutrients, carbs, and fiber which will most likely leave you feeling lacking in energy,” Ludlam-Raine said. Fiber isn’t found in animal products, and a lack of it could lead to constipation and upset in the gut microbiome. Avoiding fruits and vegetables can also mean missing out on key nutrients and vitamins, although supplements can help to make up for what carnivores lack in their diet. Plus, fruits and veggies are simply good for you. Eating plant-based foods is associated with a lower risk of heart disease, Alzheimer’s, type 2 diabetes, and other chronic health conditions, according to Healthline." Which information am I to believe? Btw, are there studies to support the health benefits of the carnivore diet?

[@monikamastyk8200]

We do not need any carbohydrates to thrive. The minimal amount you have to consume to maintain health is ZERO. We do need fat and we do need protein to maintain health. Your heart, your brain and your nervous system cannot function without fat. When it comes to fiber, there was a study done on a group of peple dealing with chrobic constipation. There were three groups one was given a zero fiber diet, the other a moderate fiber diet and the last one a high fiber diet. The results showed that the lower the fiber, the easier it is to get rid of constipation. I encourage you to watch a lecture by Zoe Harcombe "what the fiber". When it comes to the microbiome we really know very little. The biggest thing in that field is the SCFA that do a great job in the colon and they are produced by the bacteria that feed off the soulable fiber. But it turns out that it's not the only way we can get them, we can also get them from diet and through ketone production within the body. There is no long term research on carnivore diet. There was a study recently on metabolic health and carnivore. It was mindblowing that sth like 85-95% of people reported improved metabolic heath. Comimg back to nutrients you can meet your body nutrient's needs 100% with animal based products ( if you include a variety) however there are many people that eat beef only, have been doing that for years and thrive. The main concer is usually vit C and it uses same metabolic pathways as glucose so when there is no glucose coming with your diet there is no competition to vit c and you can get enough from liver. If you're interested there's a great website Nutrition with Judy by Judy Choe, very informative. I wish you all the best and a lot of patience with your research. It takes time and effort but it's definietly worth it.

[@monikamastyk8200]

Also it's simply illogical that you will have no energy without carbs. When you are in ketosis your body gets energy from fat. Either fat you eat or fat you have stored in your body. When you run primarily on glucose and your insulin is high this is when your body cannot reach for thaf fat to use. It has to use up all the glycogen first ( it takes up to 36 hrs of fasting) and you'll feel like crap because the body wants you to eat some qick source of energy aka sugar. But if your body is back in it's primary metabolic state ( ketosis) you can have endless energy as long as you have some stored fat ( starvation is not what we're aiming for anyway). One great example of that is dr Anthony Chuffy who was a professional rugby player while being carnivore. Still is carnivore and looking at him you cannot say he's lacking energy.

[@snowpixxie6673]

@@monikamastyk8200 Monika, thank you very much for the detailed comment.

[@veganix6757]

@@monikamastyk8200 science is clear those who eat high fiber and high carbs live longer and less chance or cancer and diseases etc.

[@veganix6757]

@@snowpixxie6673 there is no scientific evidence to back carnivore diet. Societies who eat high meat live the shortest and those who eat most plants live the longest. Science is clear the more plants u eat the healthier u r and less chance of all cause mortality

[@giladkingsley]

Forget the ornish study, what about Esselstin's study: a way to reverse CAD?

[@ianmills9659]

Isn't it a fact that a great deal more land is used in producing crops for animals feed (and this also involves supplemental feed grown for pasture raised livestock) than would be just for human consumption alone, and that meeting the growing demand for meat as populations increase in the future is unsustainable? If so why is the argument being used that a plant based diet would be as (or more) complicit as an animal based diet in killing animals when considering deaths of wildlife in the fields during harvesting?

[@HelenEk7]

Where I live 73% of our farmland can only grow grass. And our climate is too cold to grow most legumes, plant oils, nuts, grains..

[@joelgiedt2559]

Here is fun fact many people don't know. Rice cultivation produces a huge amount of methane. It's just a natural consequence of rice paddies. As anyone who has studied climate change can tell you, methane is a powerful greenhouse gas.

[@kenpatching4465]

Yes your points ring true

[@RoseNader]

Dr. Macdougal and Dr. Greger never told people to eat beyond meat or impossible meat , they are always talk about whole food plant based which is fruits , vegetables, beans and seeds . When Dr. Macdougal said eat sugar to cure diabetes he meant sugar which cone from these whole food ,as you know that plants are rich of complex carbohydrates which is basically sugar and fibers

[@patriciawalters6778]

All you say is true, but does not change the fact that all complex carbs convert almost instantaneously to glucose in the digestive tract. The conversion actually begins in the mouth with salivary amylase. Most of the starch from say, a sweet potato, or whole grain bread, or brown rice is already glucose by the time it hits the stomach. The fact that blood glucose rises a bit slower does not change the reality that complex carbohydrates are digested and metabolized exactly the same way as pure glucose is once they hit the small intestine. Eating whole food complex carbohydrates is metabolically so similar to consuming straight glucose that it makes zero difference in the long term.

[@RoseNader]

@@patriciawalters6778 Fibres which is a component of carbohydrates dont convert to sugars , thats why keto dieters subtract the fibres from the carbohydrates in food to get net carbs in their food.....plus these undigested fibres feed our gut bacteria which in return befits us in so many ways one of them weight loss

[@henrytang2203]

Plant based is fine, vegan is terrible. Plant based done right is majority plants with enough animal based foods to supply the necessary amino acids and fatty acids.

[@patriciawalters6778]

@@RoseNaderI did specify the metabolism of starch as the focus of my comment.

[@LaRoucheisright]

We would all be dead were it not for CO2 carbons going into the air. All plants require and devourer CO2 carbons for their nourishment.

[@agr8h2o]

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@christopherellis2663]

Save the planet: eat the termites!

[@Longjohnsilver58]

There is no single food or ingredient that 100% of the people can tolerate 100% of the time. There are people who cannot eat meat. It will make them sick. On the other hand, there are people who must be on a carnivore diet to keep from being sick. Such people appear to be few in the number. The majority of us seem to be able to tolerate all kinds of food and can go either way. All you must do is pick a healthy way of eating you can sustain. For me, I chose keto/mediterranean diet because it works for the things that ail me and I can stick to it. I concentrate on eating vegetables, fish, and eggs. Some dairy. I limit meat to a few meals a week. Further, I choose vegetables low in oxalates and lectins most of the time. I may be wrong, but it has to be better than the McDonalds diet. I have lost weight and my numbers have improved. Could I attain the same result with a vegan diet? Possibly but I don’t want to.

[@veniqer]

The people who get sick from eating meat probably need more acidic stomach juices. Or perhaps they've got some sort of mutation. Eating meat is what humans do. Tables have legs. Some tables are without legs because they're broken.

[@Longjohnsilver58]

@@veniqer I was thinking of tick bite victims that cannot eat meat. It’s rare but so are people that have sever auto immune disease and cannot eat anything but meat.

[@stacymontero6172]

Simon Hill lost me when he promoted the Mediterranean diet and getting lots of fiber. I think he's full of it regarding apo B-containing lipoproteins causing heart disease.

[@vincentanguoni8938]

The most interesting aspect of this video for me is when he says it was a coincidence that he became involved in this.. That is how life works!!!

[@ernesthader1109]

I'm curious what do you all think about vegans getting cancer.

[@terrianton3564]

No one ever said you will get puss. He’s making it all up. Taking things out of context. Wow! I agree with the Oreo cookie over the impossible meat. We eat beans for protein. No one is deficient in protein.

[@luciusverusluciusverus3082]

Still a vegetarian 51 years, now 70, healthy happy, and never a desire to change, I can't imagine the pain animals undergo, I really appreciate your balanced approach to interviewing

[@charlenewilliams219]

Very good. However, a vegetarian diet allows for some animal products, which gives you some valuable nutrition.

[@Richard.Atkinson]

Imagine all the rodents, insects, deer, etc. that were killed to produce the vegetables you eat. So much pain…

[@G33KSPALACEdotCOM]

@@Richard.Atkinson Not really the same as a pig caged in a box its entire lifespan, being pumped full of antibiotics and still having painful sores from lack of movement. And before the comment "But I only eat free range animals that were treated humanely", that's great, if the entire population of the world ate that kind of meat, we'd run out of real estate for them.... I eat meat, but let's be realistic about what we're actually eating. The animals we eat, most of them live miserable existences not fit for a living, breathing creature. That's what happens when 5+ billion people want meat for every meal.

[@kimberlycooper4170]

@@G33KSPALACEdotCOM , that's why I eat beef. Grazing cattle in pastures costs less than putting them in a pen and buying hay and paying people to put the hay in a cow's feed trough. For grazing, you just put the cow in the pasture and provide a water trough. The cow gets its own food for free.

[@G33KSPALACEdotCOM]

​@@kimberlycooper4170 That's great, but that's still an unsustainable way of farming to meet the rising demand for meat around the world. Most other countries don't have the space for grazing animals, hell, many places don't even have place to let their animals outside of their stalls. And demand for meat is rising across the world, the more demand, the more the animals are going to suffer. It's really that simple.

[@hikedayley9309]

I don't care what either group thinks.I do what I want to do.Sometimes I eat meat. And sometimes I don't eat meat. The most important takeaway is not to let anybody tell you what to do. Make your own decisions based on what you want to eat.

[@charliesgrumma5388]

You are correct! A billion morbidly obese people can't be wrong when it comes to their diet!

[@marktapley7571]

Look at what the vast majority of Americans ate in the 1800-1900’s when the incidence of heart disease, diabetes and cancer were all very low compared to today. Diets high in quality protein (animal) and saturated fat. Vegetarian diets are for the poor and malnourished and always have been. However if 1% of the population is going to feed the other 99%, then it has to be done on a large scale, not like it was a hundred years ago. The quality of the beef will not be quite as good from the feed lot as it would be straight from the pasture but it is still far better than any plant food. Chicken and eggs are not degraded by factory farming. The second problem is the issue with CO2. There is only 400 ppm in the atmosphere the amount there is critical. Much less and the planet would die because plants would not get enough. CO2 has NO warming effect (bogus green house gas propaganda) but actually has a slight cooling effect. CO2 is even used in some applications as a refrigerant.

[@huntersparmesancheese2769]

Either plants are healthy, poisonous or irrelevant. If healthy are they sufficient? If poisonous should we eat them ? If irrelevant why eat them ? If meat got all nutrients we need why eat anything else ?