Disappointed -⁠ NZXT Gaming Mouse + Keyboard

[@poobalu]

Seeing how they also have a gaming headset, I imagine these offerings are a way for them to make gaming bundles with their own products that they can package together for a complete solution. If a parent is buying a prebuilt for their kids and see a deal that includes all the other peripherals, they might jump on it. Definitely seems uninspired to be frank.

[@pookzs]

I was just thinking this. Not everyone is a gaming enthusiast and will take the bare minimum while buying a prebuilt. Maybe over time they’ll learn to appreciate gaming hardware and want to upgrade.

[@DqveX]

But atleast the bundled peripherals that are going to come with their pc's arent going to suck ass, like ibuypower for example. their prebuilts came with one of the worst keyboards and mice

[@drewzma6816]

They don't have a gaming headset. They used to, but they discontinued it due to QC issues

[@poobalu]

@@drewzma6816 I missed that, good catch!

[@Girvo747]

@@pookzs Which is one neat part about the Keeb being hot swappable. Hypothetical kid getting a pre built can get into switches and modding with just the meh keyboard it comes with.

[@Zetraxes]

That's why brand loyalty is so bad. Just mix and match every good product from each company and you will rarely be disappointed

[@Evan-xs8ts]

It's not brand loyalty, it's dissapointment in a brand that produced good products before.

[@dotafarm2699]

logitech is pretty good

[@thealien_ali3382]

That's what I do, I have 2 Corsair fans for top exhaust, rest are stock fans, in a phanteks entoo evol X case, Corsair mouse and keyboard, razer headset, LG GAMING TV 4K, EVGA GPU, ASUS MOBO, CORSAIR RAM, NOCTUA COOLER. Always mix and man always worked for me

[@buzzlightyearoh]

@@thealien_ali3382 crucial makes much better ram and it’s cheaper also. The only things corsair is good at are PSU’s and AIO’s

[@Crustee0]

@@thealien_ali3382 u are still technically loyal brand to "gaming" brands. Audio is mostly better on non-gaming brands, and for keyboard (keeb) you can get a mech keeb a lot cheaper now and still compete with the so called "gaming" keeb. Also as the other person pointed, corsair is also not the best for ram really (unless u chase that fancy heatsink)

[@laurencem2327]

I love how you pack so much important and relevant info into a less than 10 minute review. Appreciate your honesty mate, going above and beyond as always with your quality/editing!

[@popcorny007]

As always I'm blown away by your production quality and clever B-roll. A cut above the rest, keep it up man!

[@purplecrayon7281]

Other than AIO and cases, NZXT should not be making anything else. Pretty sure NZXT farmed out the KB/mouse design to an OEM chinese company to cut costs, the same way they did with the motherboard to ECS.

[@instanewt7221]

I'd argue they shouldn't even be making cases. The H1 V1 was a fire hazard because their "engineers" didn't know how to properly attach a board to the case. You know, something the ATX standard engineers laid out for motherboards decades ago that they could have just copied. But that would require them to not be complete idiots.

[@andrewdarrell4970]

@@instanewt7221 Wasnt it because of the riser cable not the mobo?

[@Djrepsaj]

@@instanewt7221 The case situation was a dumb riser cable design, which they probably outsourced anyways. Truth be told, NZXT is the only company besides Lian Li that I feel makes good looking cases. 90% of PC cases honestly just look shit.

[@WrektSK]

@@Djrepsaj I'd say Antec has some nice looking cases for all ranges. A lot of people have complimented my DF800 Flux at the first sight, even people who aren't interested in PCs. But yeah, not a lot of brands out there consistently making great looking and equally functional PC cases.

[@micobugija6284]

​@@Djrepsaj Fractal Design, Antec, Corsair, Cooler Master and probably a lot more that l cant remember right now.

[@nfgman140]

Soft-touch rubber coatings are virtually guaranteed to turn to sticky glue in 2-3 years. Sure, it feels great out of the box, but it degrades horribly, guaranteeing the obsolescence of your gear long before you hit the max clicks of your Omron switches.

[@UserOfTheName]

My switch controllers are fine they have a very similar coating to the xm1r (which I also have but only for 3 months now)

[@elBanananas]

Yep, had my Steelseries mouse that is pretty much a glue now. Everything sticks to it.

[@UserOfTheName]

@evuw ehe I sweat a lot two and it does look bad but I don't care about the looks

[@Ivlodded]

All brands are doing it it seems

[@kiwiasian]

NZXT gave me a bad experience once when a CAM update caused my NZXT fan controller to stop all fans spinning. My CPU ran at a flat 100 degrees c for almost 30 mins before I noticed it. But to this keyboard, its not very competitive but with hot swap and plate mount stabs, the sound can be improved with a bit of work, similar to any hot swap prebuilt. TBH Most custom keyboard cases look like an open tupperware container so it’s nice to see gamer type designs that offer customisation.

[@baitboy3191]

Solid criticism for both, I am not surprised by this, pretty sure they dedicated a small department of the company to this, they see the growing trend in gaming mice and mechanical keyboards. I can see these two peripherals being paired with the pre- builts they offer.

[@Definitely_Melnyx]

Both peripherals probably oems rebrands from Alibaba.

[@gn638]

Glad I saw this first before the Short Circuit video that dropped today. Great stuff as always

[@Engezerstorung]

about keyboard having nothing of value : i was looking for a keyboard with numbers and Fs key lined up, so a 75% or a 96keys and in hotswap and with (per key) RGBs and in ISO the only ones i found where the Keychron K2 and K4, and they have their own issues (like no rgb/keymap customisation without DIY flashing of qmk who make you loose support of the wireless bluetooth you payed for) so this NZXT seem to have all of that and software (who doesnt need to run in the background) and it doesnt have the arrow keys cramed in the shift key, so more standard-sized keycaps and it actually have more keys than a 75% (even if slightly bigger), it actually have 2 more keys than a TKL and, cherry on the top for me, it have ISO-fr keycaps set(even if they are kind of scuffed, because how the print of normal, shifted and altgr-ed keys are) so yeah, i found about it today, and im happy about it

[@poipoi300]

Hey, I don't think you understand how debounce actually works. Even a 100ms debounce time will not add any latency to a button. It will however, prevent you from activating it twice or more within that period of time. That being said, the latency on this mouse is pretty bad.

[@MichaelBertolino]

Saw them announce these and was really excited for both then realized there was no 65% or 60% layout and the mouse is wired, which are huge missed opportunities

[@joeykeilholz925]

Wired mouse so dumb

[@MichaelBertolino]

@@joeykeilholz925 Yup!

[@rexaril4507]

It’s TKL so I don’t really see why the no 60% layout is a downside to you. The real downside is that it’s $120 and a piece of absolute shit.

[@MichaelBertolino]

@@rexaril4507 A TKL has too many keys. 65% is one of the most popular layouts in the hobby, so it's a missed opportunity. It totally is a big miss as to pricing though

[@disinque6961]

@@MichaelBertolino for gaming i still prefer tkl than 65%, as I can bind settings to the function keys that I can just reach without moving my hand

[@Animosity175]

hey brother, love the content! are you still maining the g303 se, or did you go back to the g pro x superlight?

[@boqa3654]

Hi there, which monitor do you use und this video and which one is our favourite one?

[@Sanchez._]

You are such a good content creator. I an always tuning in to see what you have to say. Thank you for all the great content. Cheers from Denmark

[@i_v_i284]

Today the Keychron K8 just launched. 89$ for a TKL with lubed stabs and switches. They are even using real Gateron switches. And it also features hotswappable switches and bluetooth.

[@-keiskx1774]

Real gateron? You’re acting like gateron makes only expensive switches lmfao

[@ElTeeger]

It’s a start for NZXT but I hope they hear your voice and make the appropriate changes.

[@flcl_bebop5143]

Great video. Have you ever thought about reviewing Roccat mice? I don't see many people looking at those.

[@spinach1472]

You are a legitimately my number one Tech KZbinr

[@miless17]

1:47 Wasn’t looking at my phone and thought this was SpongeBob for a second

[@enuazeal]

nice wallpaper you have :) is it available somewhere for download?

[@alexselby8212]

Hi love the video. Are u going to do a review on the phanteks evolv shift xt? And if so when?

[@ismphob]

Hey I am still using the Ducky One 2 mini and was wondering what keyboard you would recommend upgrading to currently? I still love the feel of the ducky One 2 mini I just want to try something new

[@PaladinJenkis]

Not sure if the surface on the mouse is rubberized, if so it will start to degrade and feel terrible within the first year or so. I am still completely baffled why they can't produce a houseing made of PBT for a mouse. Warping issues with keycaps have been fixed for ages now and I like my keycaps and mouse matte with a nice texture and not greasy and shiny.

[@Ivlodded]

I dont buy rubberized stuff anymore for the exact same reason. And after years it gets extremely gooey and sticky to the point you only can throw it into the bin. There are so many better material choices other brands are using.

[@tsenohebot4853]

Dude this is gonna be a weird question but who do you main on apex ?

[@terekrutherford8879]

Fantastic review. Always appreciate the cautionary reviews

[@onurozmen5574]

Hello friends, I am stuck between two gaming mice, which one should I buy? ( NZXT Lift or Logitecg G305 ) ??

[@altrdgenetics]

Solid new video. Though I donno about the assessment with NZXT products. I remember them from the beginning and they seemed to always have a lot of rebranded/reskinned OEM items sourced from factories. Their early stuff looked like clones of Alienware cases with the cheapest brittle bezels known to man (see: Nemesis & Apollo cases). They have definitely had some hit products over the years especially the ones called out, but there was also a lot of products that just were half baked ideas and not great value like was called out with the new accessories. I personally feel they haven't shaked those ways of doing things and have been aiming for a complete NZXT ecosystem than actually taking care and attention to ALL of the products they produce and offer. That has left us with either totally half backed ideas, a bunch of stuff with bad fit/finish, and a few absolute dreams of products that have made it to market. Especially now more than ever I feel like NZXT views themself as a direct competitor to Thermaltake especially with their product offering. Only NZXT has at least grown up over the years and attempted to go for a bit more clean and minimalist aesthetic look to the products they offer.

[@mikeymaiku]

Have you heard of thermaltake?

[@HardwareFRA]

Thanks for the video ! Keep it up !

[@tomppeli.]

I like that custom keyboards are getting more and more popular. Me having jumped on board when the GMMK Pro launched and not looking back, maybe except for some chatter. Seeing NZXT come up with their poor excuse of a keyboard makes me lose faith, any little I had, for the company. They're obviously heading where they smell money with a product late by about five years.

[@dollyrr]

Just get the Pwnage ultra custom symm 2 if you like this kinda shape

[@lilililiililili6363]

ducky feather.

[@Muddyspartan]

Hey Ali, would you consider measuring input lag on a keyboard? I've noticed there aren't many outlets that do any end-to-end latency testing of keyboards.

[@SUPBUG-o7m]

I don’t really think that really matters cause the latency is non existent I think

[@softshell_6153]

What keyboard do you have? And if its custom then what stuffs did you get for it? :) Because I realy like the look of it

[@Definitely_Melnyx]

Just watch his older videos

[@taimingkoh]

Any chance you’ll be taking a look at Fnatic Bolt?

[@hofkingpin3216]

What is the function of the "NZXT" button next to Enter?

[@veryinterestingpersonaliti8321]

It sounds very nice for gaming It’s a gaming keyboard yes?

[@lucas_vlanc]

hope that you'll review the Shurikey Hanzo keyboard soon, which is basically a Varmilo keyboard

[@andymorrow826]

Hey can you do a review on the Ninjutso katana superlight? I have big hands and I have heard that it’s good for big hands. I’m not sure about Input lag though so it could be bad.

[@noxphere2950]

dose ram overclock and timing affect input lag regardless fps? i wanna benchmark

[@Cermagine]

would love to see you take on the Meletrix Zoom65 and the Qwertykeys QK65 when it drops, the QK65 especially isn't all that much more than this nzxt kb.

[@gift2792]

If you can test wooting two keyboard would be so nice, the rapid trigger is interesting

[@GNARLYMIKEY_]

would love for you to review the Hati S wireless to see what you think of it, also test out the latency.

[@laicphk]

good vid! any chance to review hyperx pulsefire haste wireless?

[@shaneWARs1]

I get these products especially they advertise for first time pc building kits I think there for entry-level and all in one shop. Also there software is pretty good

[@Condred]

If the input lag on the mouse has been fixed, it might not be as bad as it seems if the price is right. In Australia, it's $70 vs the $90 XM1R, $110 Viper (original Viper has been discontinued so only the more expensive 8K version in in stock). It's the same price as the Burst Pro, though. The keyboard really seems way too expensive though.

[@lampkb]

Sad that they missed the mark hard with these peripherals. The Ducky Feather is legit the same shape for a fraction of the cost and the keyboard just looks like a lazy 84 key board.

[@bigmack10]

I do really like the button layout of that keyboard tho.

[@heneedssomemilk3139]

nzxt has gone from innovative stuff to "lets make bad quality things, why? cuz of our brand name. people will buy it"( I hope nobody wastes their money in that garbage of a keyboard)

[@heneedssomemilk3139]

@CKG23 I mean I have been watching custom keyboard building since 2-3 months now and I do know what a decent keyboards sounds like and that thing for its price is definitely garbage. if you wanna know why I am straight up calling it garbage search on yt redragon k599 its a wireless 50$ keyboard that sounds bettter than this one if this was a 35-40$ I would understand the sound and quality but its a *130$* keyboard

[@placeholder3863]

@CKG23 yeah those keyboards arent very good

[@heneedssomemilk3139]

@CKG23 can you give me a name? I gave you proof so give me some not saying ducky keyboards can't be bad but I would like to know how bad in comparison with the nzxt one

[@daniyarassylbekov1532]

Mouse movement latency?

[@alienp2523]

1:35, i thought i had a valorant lets play open in another tab lol

[@matches0423]

Is there any tkl keyboard kit got this layout?Really like this layout, kind of sad to hear this keyboard is bad.

[@shshankking]

I like the keyboard.. A keyboard with hotswap is great...,why,coz brand warranty. I cant tell how many custom board have failed, either contact points, usb, or outright dying.. So having a actual warranty support is great. I like its not pre-lubed so that I can do that how I like it, can swap switches to my taste and lube them.. It all boils down to warranty, and in country like India, this benefits great. I hope you understand the issue and use case. Not everyone lives in US where every spare parts are available easily.

[@Zer0zUnLtd]

I just realized your logo looks like a switch film lol

[@MobileTootGundam]

5:51 oh if only you knew of their past failures in peripherals

[@MrVicKaos]

I was thinking to get the pulsar xlite wireless v2 but no reviewers does the latency test on them yet. Would really appreciate if you could test it out. I don't want to get disappointed after buying if the click latency of the mouse is noticesable since my main is the razer viper 8khz.

[@ryusui1524]

rate the pwnage ambi wireless or wired please, i need to see if i should get that or the superlight

[@senseicheems3270]

Hi optimum its me turtles. I got a pc with a 5800x and 3070 . i need your help with choosing mouse and key

[@Jalily]

Hi! I just wanna know if the Model D- Wireless (both 0 and 10ms) has the same latency as the Model O wireless. Thank you!

[@hanhao1208]

i guess you buy that to play minecraft?

[@theWynn3]

Almost ordered this when I got their email. Glad I waited for someone to post a review. Thank you!

[@-keiskx1774]

Really… you got a new email about a mouse and keyboard and you’re where going to buy them without researching first?

[@DrVenom63]

@@-keiskx1774 If you come across dump 1 star reviews that was a known issue of the product, you know now why. For example the logitech g pro double clicking issue.

[@nayanpitlam5621]

wish nzxt chose better oems for thier first entry to peripheral space

[@DelScully]

I just got this keyboard for 60 cad. I needed a new one, but am waiting for the new Wooting 80 or Keychron HE keyboards to be out.. I'll honestly probably get new switches and keycaps tho, as I got it for so cheap it wont be too bad.

[@chabu2306]

Was thinking of getting the keyboard and mouse, thankyou for the review. Also I love your content

[@lagginluther]

I would take those over a membrane keyboard and poopy mouse that is bundled with a prebuilt pc. Granted if nzxt can bundle these with their bld stuff. I would say these are better than any other system integrators peripherals

[@lummoxicide1502]

Was recommended to watch your video from a commenter on the LTT video on the same thing

[@StevoA5]

I like the layout of the keyboard though

[@spinach1472]

They really should just stick to making better cases

[@RetroBerner]

That keyboard looks about 90% the same as the $16 meChinacal beater I grabbed recently, just a different layout and the keys aren't hot swappable

[@usingthatlogic]

Razer viper v3 due out soon too, good leak info

[@erno4024]

They changed the NZXT Lift Software and also the latency problem, they didnt say an exact number of latency but something like Orochi V2 latency wise.

[@Voi1dwalk]

I want you to test the hyperX Pulsefire haste Wireless click latency.

[@mohamadfaisal3778]

Some suggestion, please review rog claymore 2 for unique switch

[@chicktok9282]

Can you say something about the q27 gaming monitor?

[@alexp3577]

Could you please test sensor and button delay for haste wireless?

[@smartjunayd]

Nice, imma get both of these

[@urav999]

Yeah pc component manufacturers usually don't make good peripherals

[@DimaQxt]

CoolerMaster?

[@triliner254]

@@DimaQxt Except for them

[@urav999]

@@DimaQxt i said usually. Cm has made a few good mice but their keyboard game is lacking.

[@tuyer_tw]

as a keyboard nerd that keeb is a big nono for $130

[@min_nari]

i really like a phrase i picked up elsewhere "what is your contribution to the market with this product?"

[@RoughRunnerAce98]

That's unfortunate that the keyboard isn't great. I love the 75% layout and I haven't found a really nice board for that layout yet...

[@pufanu100]

The Royal Kludge RK84 is probably your best bet.

[@williamhoward9121]

Another alternative to the mouse pad s the hyperx haste- effectively a viper with the weight removed. This does come at a cost of worse software

[@heyramineni]

2:15 - I am interested in how older gen wireless mice like the Logitech G903 compare with current gen wireless mice like the super light.

[@sushimshah2896]

The G900 has such a cool looking design & share, I remember wishing I could buy one

[@seve7nin9e31]

Agrees of All you've said in this video

[@c4monkey]

I heard their cases are fire

[@TechTesters]

+16ms 👀

[@ArcelloV]

As usual. You need to wait for v2 of all NZXT products. Sometimes I don’t understand how NZXT makes such obvious mistakes.

[@MarkLangdahl]

Is this basically them trying to have something with their name on it to sell with their BLD series computers?

[@PashaGamingYT]

That looks like a Dell office mouse with the Dell logo removed and I honestly would not be surprised if it's from the same manufacturer

[@Jeroenneman]

Can't really be more disappointed in a company that released a case that could catch fire and they denied it for a couple of weeks.

[@shawndiaz7528]

It's a shame this sucks because I love the layout. I wanna minimize the footprint without dumping the function row or navigation keys for text editing. I could maybe tolerate sacrificing the function row but definitely not the nav keys as I use them any time I'm typing anything.

[@Batoutta]

MX Clears ftw

[@gAIMingEditz]

Setup vid plz 🤞

[@acsgdo02]

been using wireless for 3 yrs now can't imagine going back wired dragging that wire

[@BaxTechYT]

Ooof. $130 for the keeb is a big no

[@shupah]

man tore it to shreds

[@Billy-ky6dm]

I feel like NZXT is going to become the next Razer

[@defu8592]

keyboard looks and sounds like the hyper x alloy origins core

[@CannedMarmalade]

Expecting NZXT to make something good that they have no experience in.

[@Skewel]

NZXT stuff is overpriced aesthetic garbage, I'm not holding my breath for it.

[@-keiskx1774]

@@Skewel well yeah… you buy Nzxt parts because they’re the best looking? They’re literally know for making clean looking pc components

[@joemarais7683]

@@-keiskx1774 they're more known for making fire hazards and charging 100 dollars for a 4 year old garbage case with a garbage mesh panel, but sure

[@TheCodyK]

if they sold that keyboard as a barebones at like $100 or less, modding that board would be dope. i like the idea of the wheel on the left and the case doesn't look bad.

[@KapsiF]

Hey, kinda interested on your workout routine. Love your forearms

[@mightyORFEN]

Another example of a company trying to "Cut costs" seeing how cheap they can go and get away with it. Thanks for keeping companies like this accountable. I like NZXT and own their case currently, but this is just pathetic.

[@hotmeal8531]

I mean the scroll wheel looks cool :D