DJI Avata Manual Mode Warning - Yaw Crash Risk

[@MadRC]

Ok folks just to confirm somethings. This was in latest firmware I am well aware of the states of Yaw Washout and Vortex Ring State, if I felt this was just washout there would not be a video on it. I know what they are and this not that. While the initial loss of altitude would be washout then craft appears to either crash the gyro or reset it’s self upside down. That is not normal. Ciniwhoops are well known to wash out and that’s something that’s easy to compensate for. I absolutely can see that the start of this is with washout however it’s what is happening after that point is the issue. If you going to come on here and post comments that “people should know how to fly” or “it’s normal” please don’t. Your not dealing with a DJI pilot here that does not know how to fly in Acro or what should or should not happen

[@FPV-TV419]

100% agree. I'm no beginner. I've had other whoops that you do get wash out and instability, but the avata is doing things it's not supposed to! It's not normal whoop instability, it's getting confused somehow. So far every time I've replicated this, at height, it's recoverable. Either by regaining control, or the one occasion where it did what yours did, I hit the oh shit button and it saved it. It was heading straight for the ground the same as yours did. I recommend testing again at height. So far I've done this over 10 times in one 5 min flight and managed to recover it every time. 🙃 (btw not saying this is a fix, dji need to sort this asap)! Edit: I don't currently have another whoop, but it would be interesting to do the same moderately hard flat yaw/ roll turn on the avata and a "normal " whoop... and see the difference.

[@blizsgarage8487]

Can you give us a camera view of your stick inputs?

[@FPV-TV419]

@@blizsgarage8487 I'll have to go make a video.... using go pro for stick inputs. I dont connect to the fly app to show overlays, as it undoes a certain mode 🤭🤣

[@blizsgarage8487]

@@FPV-TV419 sorry buddy, I meant to reply to mad tech.

[@FPV-TV419]

@@blizsgarage8487 it's OK mate. I'm going to make a video on it anyway. 🤪

[@pacificnorthwestpilots6050]

So, not to point out this video specifically, but to all who see this if you lose any hardware during a crash and find the main chassis, please leave it there and search for lost parts in an outwardly increasing circle. This will give you the best possibility to find ejected parts. The problems happen when you pick up your drone and forget where it crashed/landed.

[@phildawe7172]

Yep!! Best advice for a new drone pilot. Big timesaver. "Dont touch.. and outward spiral"

[@pfeerick]

lol... I didn't have the same *oh no you didn't* either, not at all!

[@OriginaldoBo]

Weird I just beat the shit out of it and no crash. I’m going to say it like this I’ve flown in multiple locations , climates , elevations… I’ve beat the shit out of this drone aggressively and I’ve not once had it drop on me. 100% if y’all are having “issues” evaluate the person behind the sticks. I’m sorry Ian I like you but let’s be real this is about as silly as it get gets”

[@SkeezyFPV]

Cause of crash: gravity. 😂😂😂

[@xjet]

Ian's no freestyler but he does know how to fly a quad in rate/acro mode. I guess those guys who experienced exactly the same thing when switching from normal to acro mode in a hover were also just bad flyers? 🙂

[@ratititat-rcflyer5139]

its like any air craft if you stall it it will flip out. i fly the crap out of mine and love it you just got to know its limits also moving the center sensitivity down helped smooth mine out a lot roll130 pitch100 yaw70

[@MadRC]

I was sent 5 videos of this issue before I went out. All of them were a simple yaw and it dropped. I have been building and flying DJI aircraft before most people knew DJI even existed. To say this is pilot error is billshit. If you take note it’s not how hard you fly it it’s the specific Yaw turn. That is not washout. I have had ring vortex, washout and every kind of issue there is over the years and this is not normal. All the videos I was shared showed something that should not happen. On the way down I tried to disarm and it would not so I moved to GPS to see if it would kill it and it would not so then in the end it luckily threw the pack. This os a very real issue.

[@MrPlaneTalk]

Couple questions for OriginaldoBo…. - Are you a tester for DJI? - Do you get products sent from DJI to test? - Were you in the pre-release test group for the AVATA? - Did you pay for your AVATA yourself?

[@xjet]

It's almost as if it thinks the flight controller has been turned upside down when this happens. Perhaps it's a numeric overflow (or underflow) (modulus) error on extreme units of yaw measurement by the yaw gyro -- but only in one direction. It definitely flips complete inverted and probably keeps bouncing around because the flight stabilization software may have actually crashed and is therefore effectively doing nothing at that stage and becomes unresponsive to control inputs.

[@MadRC]

It’s funny you say about the sw crashing. I have a feeling the loop was stuck for sure. We know whoops can wash out but this is more than that.

[@xjet]

@@MadRC I've seen other Avata crash vids on YT where the same thing happens... the quad just keeps screaming until the battery is pulled. There was one where the guy simply switched from GPS mode to manual and the craft *instantly* pitched over (like in this video) and then sat on the ground screaming its guts out and unresponsive to the RC link. This kind of indicates that there may be more than one way to trigger this FC crash.

[@AerialWaviator]

Makes me wonder if a incorrect data type was used, so a change in code path causes a value to be truncated. (equivalent to a numeric over/underflow)

[@Quick-Flash]

It's easy to break code in multithreaded c or c++ could very well be the issue.

[@bartkupp6351]

Thanks for doing the test. I'd have my Avata soon at least I'd be aware of how to avoid situations like this!

[@lacy8658]

It's been weeks since the release, DJI's probably have a lot of fine tuning in store for the Avata

[@clickphotography9422]

Thanks for this info. It's a good time to bring up all the concerns and observations with the Avata so DJI can look into how to fix or modify the drone.

[@ydnubm]

Thanks!

[@Quad_Father]

I think it’s a battery issue in conjunction with undersized motors….. When the quad yaws it relies on increasing the torque of two motors and decreasing the torque of two other motors. When you hit a yaw maneuver those torque increases require a quick current draw. The battery on the Avata is a Li-ion with a pretty low c rating so can’t draw too much current quickly. It gives high flight times compared to li-po but at the expense of low current draw. The motors are smaller than typical 3inch whoops… usually use 2004 or 2204 which are a lot wider and give more torque. These with a liPo give great yaw authority. I don’t think it can be programmed out and is most likely this hardware issue. Yaw into the wind and it’s a lot more resistance so that may be why you can yaw in one direction fine but not another. You can turn your yaw rates down and that should help

[@londenard]

I personally think that the drone has limitations... doesn't every product? People need to work within those limits or purchase products that are capable of fulfilling their needs.

[@londenard]

@@DG-es2st I'm not sure yet. Whenever you push the boundaries of what a product is capable of... it's like having a car that can do 100 mph and blaming the manufacturer when you crash that car doing that 100 mph in a 30 mph corner. That's all I'm saying. The battery size and placement, the weight of the drone, the thickness of the prop guards, the frame thickness/ design, etc present limitations and flight characteristics that the Pilot must consider when operating this drone. There are always compromises.

[@RottingAlien]

But why does it happen only in left turns?

[@dronecamps]

Same.

[@Vousie]

That would explain poor yaw performance, but it doesn't explain the falling out of the sky - if the battery can't handle so much current then the flight controller should have limits set up so it doesn't send motor commands that cause the motors to draw that much current...

[@scottjonesfpv3274]

There's a problem with fly aways too. That's what was happening when yours was rolling and trying to fly. A friend was trying the motion controller flying the avata through racing gates and slightly hit a gate and it sky rocketed out of control. It got to about 150' in the air before regaining control. I personally haven't had either issue thank God because I have been flying my avata in manual mode over water and have posted several videos too. I do not think I will be flying over water with it anymore.. this is the kind of thing you expect from the cheap knock off drones. Thank you for sacrificing your Avata to prove there is an actual problem and for not being shy to call out DJI directly! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

[@AirKhanFPV]

I had this issue, but luckily i was able to recover it before it kissed the ground. It was 3 weeks ago, i did already send a video with the issue and the flight to dji, but it seems they still didnt fix it.

[@stawys3985]

did they replace Your drone?

[@EscapeToTheOzarks]

Yes, I fly the Avanta in full manual mode and yes I have experienced the left yaw problem, but it happened while I was in sport mode. I use mine, along with other machines, in my filming business. This problem happened once in the two weeks I have been flying it. I was chasing a side-by-side down a dirt road, proceeding to turn left gently into a parallel field and continue the chase. As I turned left, the Avata suddenly pitched down and to the left more. Fortunately, I regained control before hitting anything, but it happens fast and there's nothing you can do to stop it until it allows you to have control again. Other than this one occurrence, my Avata has been an outstanding machine for certain work in tight places.

[@jessjess3369]

Try recalibrate everytime before flight and see the result

[@tomjenson9053]

It's nice to see that even the "SO CALLED BEST" make stuff ups in their releases.

[@MrPlasmo]

Thanks and Finally it was only a matter of time when a social media influencer who is able to reproduce this issue that so many people are trying to convey

[@erikvf7]

That's crazy! It looks like something messing up with the failsafe conditions. Something that DJI should have implemented since the FPV combo: A DISARM switch that works both manual and stabilized modes.

[@Flamamacue]

You can disarm with the start/stop double press. Do think it'd be smart if it worked in all modes though.

[@BrandonBeans]

I think it's double tap of the the big right trigger button but I always thought that was awkward and they never really mentioned it in the documents for the original DJI FPV

[@808-Stat3]

I said it already in my video before. There was a reason why they sold it with the MC ONLY and didn't push the FPV Controller with it.

[@tomn8tr]

Agreed.

[@DavidTaghehchian]

Great point. I hadn't thought of that and it answers why they only sold it with that stupid Motion Controller.

[@uavtech]

Ahhh the fun walk around. 😀 I have leaned NEVER pick up the quad BEFORE you find all the parts. It gives signs of direction, so you don't lose position, etc...

[@MadRC]

Your spot on there buddy.

[@uavtech]

@@MadRC it does look like it gives a sharp pitch forward movement. Weird. It was NOT a sharp turn at all.

[@MadRC]

@@uavtech no nothing compared what what I was doing. My feeling is either sone desync or issue in the loop as it just drops and then won’t listen to anything.

[@michaelhatcher2317]

Thankfully, I haven't experienced this yet on my Avata! I'll just be more careful next time I fly it. I don't wanna lose such an awesome drone!

[@billbishop8915]

Thank you for the warning when flying in manual mode. Will this happen, when flying in non-manual moce?

[@MCsCreations]

Wow... That's really weird, Ian! 😮 I've heard about people losing the Avata... But I never thought the issue would be so bad! Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@JaydenLawson]

I’ve seen this drone flown over crowds of people. This thing is downright dangerous - that’s shocking

[@ollie_fpv]

Has this problem now been resolved with an update?

[@streboris]

The DJI FPV didn't have the issue where a side wind turn made it drop, but it did have the issue of going into Tunnel mode after a crash. My first flight with the FPV (full manual), I did a loop, came a tad too low and the battery touched a clump of grass, causing it to tip upside down. The drone went full throttle, upside down and was ignoring the controller, so wouldn't shut off! If a prop hit a stone, the drone could've tilted enough to fly full throttle into my face. I had to grab it and pull the battery lead. Very scary and very dangerous. The drone wouldn't have been damaged, by the crash, but going full throttle, upside down, ripped one of the motors out.

[@flowty_fpv]

I've had this issue one time. I was filming a Toyota Supra and everything worked fine for the most time but then I started a left turn and it fell from the sky and hit the supra in the front... Luckily there was no visible damage to the car (and the avata) but if it keeps behaving like this I'll use my normal fpv drones for such things. Greetings from Germany (sorry for my bad English)

[@kove_sr]

Apology accepted

[@MrTechcat]

It does crash in sports mode too.. I think, a gust of wind is enough to flip the drone over and not even a strong gust just at the right time direction.

[@mickeymch876]

I just installed the C157 motors and tested the Avata in manual mode throwing in a few hard yaws, flips and rolls. When the battery was around 40% during a clockwise yaw the Avata decided t0 take a dirt nap. When I retrieved the quad it was upside down (in the mud of course) with the motors running like it was armed, when I tried to pick it up the motors would go to full speed so I pulled the plug to shut it down. I did have the "impact detected" message but I have no way to see exactly when that did appear (next time I'll watch for it). After the Avata sends the "impact detected" message I'm wondering whether that is the point when all control is lost, I did not have any control when it decided to have a gravity attack.

[@andytroy]

I've had this 2 times, almost lost the Avata in the water during the second battery. Was wondering what caused this.

[@Q3D]

🤝👍 Had a much similar case with my Avata while doing gentle left turn in manual mode. In a fraction of a second during a perfect glide through a valley the drone lost control, started rotating like crazy and crashed. I filled the “fly away” form and DJI told me that it was my fault because I moved sticks way forward. I sent them DVR and after few attempts to force them examine it I got an answer that it’s still my fault, but now because I underestimated drone size and hit a rock that was close. Unfortunately I have enough experience in flying whoops to think this was an misanalysis 🤷‍♂️

[@stawys3985]

did they replace your drone?

[@yvonvite]

I live in Switzerland, I had the same problem flying manual... It happened once and was able to recover before it crashed. But this is a serious problem !

[@fauremaxence6504]

Did you find any issue? Thx

[@yvonvite]

@@fauremaxence6504 don't fly fast or with high wind velocity and evrything will be ok.

[@fauremaxence6504]

@@yvonvite thanks for your answer. In my side évènements if fly slowly and without wind I always have the problem

[@vonheise]

Thanks for the warning as I have not decided to get one yet. It appears to be top heavy with the battery up there, and may not have the ability to overcome the off balance situation in a tight turn.

[@M4PAT]

i see a recall coming like the gopro drone

[@MatCron]

Would be nice to know if it was calibrated and what log says. Keep up Ian!!!

[@louiswells2332]

The Avata is a great drone but maybe for those crazy acro moves, it's best not to stray too far or too high up.

[@DZARO]

Finally an honest review with honest criticism!

[@christertrasti]

Very informative video. This makes me scared of flying my Avata. Was this flight done with the default rates?

[@shadyproductionsinc.2931]

Can't comment on the issue in Ian's vid, I have battered it though and no problems. But I have used a battery strap from the first time I heard of one propping out, I've hit a few things, and the battery has stayed put.

[@MobileGamingLegendz]

The avata does have some serious software issues, from the motors not turning off when you hit the motor off switch, to switching to normal mode from manual or vice versa sometimes it just yaws right into the ground. I am hopeful they will fix it in future updates.

[@matteo31149]

Now after 5 months the problems are solved or not?

[@MobileGamingLegendz]

@@matteo31149 I do not fly it as much as I use to (I got a new drone) nor do I do hard YAWs with it and im a much better pilot five months later but ya the avata has not freaked out and crashed on me in a while. Also after now buying a 5 inch quad and owning the avata. Its important to ask yourself what you want to do with the avata. If you are looking for FPV video footage or to just fly around its great. That is what I wanted but I quickly wanted more. I wanted to do tricks, I wanted the drone to have more power. So that is why I have a new 6s quad now so I get the best of both worlds. I hope this helps .

[@matteo31149]

@@MobileGamingLegendz I understand thank you 💪🏻

[@renerjose4753]

i saw a very similar incident here in youtube where the avata basically took off from N mode and it oddly flipped over and literally tried to dig itself into the ground (motors running) in which the pilot was not even able to disarm the motors short of pulling out the plugs. serious issue that needs to be addressed!

[@AfricanSafariFilms]

It does the same in normal and sport even with the motion controller. Happened to me a couple of times. This is not a manual mode only issue

[@SXJX]

Thanks for this, I had the exact same problem yesterday although I was unlucky and mine bounced into a river (unrecoverable) did you also view the flight logs and see the GPS mode change from P-GPS to ATTI?

[@jacobsmith7290]

So you purposely went out and flew the Avata in a way that no cinewoop was meant to be flown had a problem and start barking that there is a problem. Your video is nothing more than click bait and all you are doing is contributing to a hysteria without any confirmation from DJI that there is an actual problem. I really have to question how good of a drome pilot you are.

[@MadRC]

I am a terrible Drome pilot. It’s just so hard, I would however question your capabilities to be able to use a keyboard ;). And as for the drone issues. Your opinion on my flight skills was nether asked for or wanted. Also if you don’t see this behaviour as an issue I would further question your knowledge on anything drone related tbh. The issue happens with sharp left turns. That absolutely the way any drone may be flown. Sorry but trying to say this is not how you would fly a drone is nonsense, further more I don’t care why you think the video was crated. It’s my opinion that I share with my audience, if you don’t like it tough I don’t care. However as I am someone who has been around a very long time and was even a beta tester for DJI and helped run their social media groups I know what it correct and what is not. DJI don’t ever admit anything so asking them if they have a problem is pointless. I wish you all the best and I suggest you find other content that suits your believe structure better.

[@jacobsmith7290]

@@MadRC Wow someone is overly sensitive. May want to think about growing a thicker skin. You opened the door when you created this video and should have expected that not everyone is going to agree with you and some will even question your authenticity just like I am still questioning your piloting skills. You may have not asked for this opinion but nobody asked you to make this video either. But since you did deal with the opinions that will also come with it. It is still click bait as it is obvious you are trying to to grow your channel.

[@omh186]

I work in the film industry, and often aerial units... you cannot simply decide this type of filming may or may not be needed.

[@yostinpoveda2083]

Does this happen on avata 2? Tight turns makes it fall of the sky?

[@panoramic_life38]

Is this problem still happening today? After updates

[@Vic9244]

I haven't seen anyone asking how much effect the fact that a large portion of the airflow into the props are obscured by the body might have on the behavior you are seeing. Just a point to ponder.

[@SwissDroneAS]

Thanks for this advice! Do you have any information that DJI will fix it?

[@MadRC]

Still nothing.

[@MrBladedshadow]

So far I haven’t had this problem while flying manual. Since I fly over water and over hard to reach places , I’m glad made aware of this issue since a crash would most likely mean a loss. 👍 I found some info on this matter though: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWGWo6mDnrWfY8U

[@dronemagicnl4986]

Oh, and this convinced me to buy a battery clip for the Avata on aliexpress:)

[@JohnCuppi]

I haven’t had this problem while flying manual... hmm. I have flown this quad so much in manual mode, almost exclusively, and beyond prop wash that I would just expect a cinewhoop to encounter. Has never literally fallen from the sky, I wonder what's happening here.

[@jessjess3369]

Im all agree with you sir! the avata has issue especially the yaw washout and tumble .You should call out originaldobo for calling you out pilot error.But for me its not a pilot error but a defected unit.

[@darcioessa8966]

this is happening with my neo.....got already 2 flyaways because ofthat,, and when a turn rappetly the motors makes a noise like cutting power

[@pdtech4524]

Looks like the motors cut out at a certain angle! Could someone test the tilt angle cut off as you hold the drone running in manual mode, to see if tilting one way or another is different?

[@dougcooper4917]

Excellent Video and Excellent Discovery. Thank You.

[@jgreg95]

Did you apply any degree of roll with the yaw or was it yaw only? Its second nature for me to apply at least some level of roll in sync with a yaw turn.

[@MadRC]

There would have been a little there yes.

[@chilipez2934]

Any improvement with the Avata 2?

[@Black-ice_fpv]

Yes sir, they definitely need to fix this MESS!!

[@clifffield1]

That wasn't what I would call a 'quick' yaw turn at all. Scary stuff. Hopefully DJI fix this one fairly soon, could be very dangerous if it happens at the 'wrong' time.

[@MCsCreations]

There was someone who lost the Avata while flying over the see...

[@clifffield1]

@@MCsCreations Have seen several of these videos now. What I find a little scary here is that Ian was able to induce this issue relatively easily. It may be a problem that is not affecting all Avatas, but it doesn't bode well when Ian was able to make it happen as easily as he did. Things go wrong and writing perfect software is not easy, so hopefully DJI fix this reasonably quickly.

[@M4PAT]

This is definitely very concerning and it is my belief you never buy these drones at launch there's always bugs that need to be worked out but this one is super alarming. I currently have a DJI FPV( i absolutely love) and a DJI Mini 3 Pro which is also absolutely love but i wanted to avata to film in tighter spaces, cinewoop. I will be waiting a bit to see if this is fixed somehow.

[@AerialWaviator]

Ian, most interesting is the OSD elements left of the display. Before the pitch-over event (2:10, 2:25) altitude reported as 13m (H), jumps to 21m ... and when later on ground is reported as 14m. Speed even more interesting as

[@AerialWaviator]

Wonder what would happen if suspended the Avata via a string (actually by two strings, or heavy duty fishing line, so suspended above the ground, but constrained above and below). Try yawing left and right in place, with bit less than hover power while you are positioned a safe distance away, you might be able to reproduce the pitch-over behaviour (could try experimenting initially with propellers removed). Recording sound and movement for later reference.

[@npcfpv9542]

great observation!

[@stevengeorges9046]

Yes, but in your opinion, do you think DJI can fix this with a firmware update? 👩🏼‍🔧

[@M4PAT]

that's what has me waiting on this drone. To see if its something a firmware can fix or not.

[@SteveO4478]

This is some solid evidence!!! Looks like a motor desync I haven’t flown my avata a whole lot in manual mode I have under 20 flights since I heard about this issue. I hope dji fixes this with a fw update. If I can’t fly this in manuel the drone is useless to me.

[@Flamamacue]

If they're aware of the propwash type issue as highlighted by the warning in the manual, is it possible the error you encountered was something to counteract it gone completely wrong? Great to know and see it reproduced though, I've been flying mine for a few weeks and not encountered this issue yet as most of what I like to do with it is slow and flowy but I have made note to definitely never turn hard over water or somewhere it would be unrecoverable.

[@dimitrismavrakis7020]

Does they fixed this issue?

[@GSPOT954]

Was it calibrated ?

[@keldpedersen5177]

I also have this issue, but only when the Wind is strong. Never when i fly low and calm Wind.

[@gmivisualsjason3729]

Yes, this was my first observation also.......

[@mx118racer]

Windy as hell out there . Not a place for cinewhoop . Wonder if same thing happen on a still day . More firmware improvements to come I spose .

[@Whiskeytreekilo]

The Avata is very top heavy. When inverted in flight it seems that it would be impossible to avoid a collision due to that inverted weight shift. If, however, the Avata is inverted and on the ground, activing 'turtle mode' should easily flip it right side up.

[@dennismatovich8411]

the 3 wheeler of quads

[@stephenmason5682]

why didn't you load your spare battery and go look for the battery aloft?

[@vinny5203]

it looks like the gyro reset itself into upside down when it jumped to that sharp angle and then powered into the ground

[@MadRC]

Yea something is off.

[@erazer3]

Weird that those who have flown with the cinewhoops are reporting the same findings on their drones who have a ducted fan system. I might be wrong here but im leaning more to a faulty ducted fan design then a problem with the IMU. Drone champs RC have a realy nice explenation on this.

[@MadRC]

I don’t fully buy this is washout. Iv had many times where washout kicks in but this is different.

[@Kolgezen]

this is common issue for cinewhoop ducted drones. not especially for avata.

[@robinguysharman]

In full size (and model) helicopters there are two phenomena which will cause a similar incident - retreating blade stall and advancing blade transonic - caused when making a harsh steep turn at high speed. Is it possible that this is the cause? What about all the other Avata incidents - did they all occur when turning left? Not saying this is the problem, but it has to be worth investigating if only to rule it out.

[@FPVHEADINTHECLOUDS]

That's why they only ship it with the sensor transmitter.

[@Dienex]

did you turn the altitude limiter off?

[@jaydronezz]

Hi Ian, just want to know your opinion on this point: for me, the DJI Avata is under-powered and over weight. Firstly, I think it needs significantly more motor stator volumn to handle it's weight, maybe a motor in the 22xx range. Secondly, does it fly with props out? If so, doesn't that put too much work on one of the rear motors? One of the remedies of yaw wash-out on under powered tiny whoops was to run them props out, which, if my understanding is correct, puts less work on the same rear motor. Love your content as always 👍

[@XO43137]

This is explained really well by RCModelReviews. Well worth watching. I got your video link from him. A very smart guy.

[@michaelripple8371]

I have had this happen to my cinelog 30 a couple times Not not sure what’s going on , could just be a cinewhoop thing

[@admargodoy]

If the battery fall again next time search It before pickup the drone. Almost always It fall 10' around near the drone. Sometimes a little beat more.

[@claytonware3562]

There's that but other cinewhoops get the tumble too. Anyway, the Avata's the only beginner cinewhoop that sparked my interest so let's see if there will be some firmware update related to this

[@ChrisBairKeto]

man, it would be super handy to have an aerial camera to search for lost items like that... oh wait...

[@RonaldBrown59]

Great information, thanks for sharing.

[@maajoomedia4451]

Is this problem still happening today?

[@lashunsbestbuddy5841]

How about slowing down the Yaw rate in settings?

[@stephenmason5682]

is it akin to a stall roll?

[@FPV-TV419]

I can replicate this issue on demand. Fast yaw and roll together.... does it every time. A hard flat turn with yaw and roll, does this left or right. The oh shit button does work to save it though if your fast enough

[@waynegoldpig2220]

You've answered yourself: Hard flat turn.

[@FPV-TV419]

@@waynegoldpig2220 not sure I asked a question lol?

[@NEVdD]

Happened to me recently. No wind. Not so sharp turn. Latest firmware. DJI didn't solve the issue and claim it was a «user error».

[@DavidOwensuk]

The batteries are very small… when mine popped out it took a while to find, like yours. I’ve only had one incident like, where I deliberate turned very tightly, and it does become unstable, but I didn’t end up crashing on that occasion… I’m only flying in manual mode too… Let's hope it keeps behaving…

[@nicolas.elsaesser]

Is it fixed by now?

[@DRAGenDROP]

Can you please put in a download link for the best quality video (50 fps ), so we can check the video quality. And if you have them, with ND filter.

[@AR-tl5ti]

are u flying with strong wind?

[@HannesDev]

This is no acro drone, so just fly it careful and you are fine. Works for me. I recommend flying careful in manual and you will get used to it and know what moves you can do.

[@linkiny]

There are so many videos showing this exact problem from professionals, and yet the toxicity in this comment section is terrifying. Software glitches don't happen to everyone so you might never experience it while someone can get it in their first flight.This issue absolutely looks like one because it happened to so many, the exact same way: yaw, pitch down, nosedive with 0 control. I was gonna buy the Avata as a complimentary safer drone to my DJI FPV around people, buildings and cars, but I think I'll wait for a firmware update that solves this. Knowing DJI, they'll probably never admit to the issue, fix it in the next update and act like it never happened.

[@danielhoffmann67]

03:30 This is really bad. Not only because of potentially loosing the battery but also because the battery then might become a danger to animals feeding on the grass or the guy operating the lawnmower. Luckily you finally found it.

[@MadRC]

Yea was a long trawl

[@BryceAWD]

Still want one. Great video

[@KanGouKassTou]

reset ALL...! reinstall all programmes make ALL calibrations (RC stick include), Pb resolved!

[@BigDawg3081sPS4GamingChannel]

That doesn’t just happen in manual it actually happened to me using the motion controller I made a sharp turn like a real sharp turn and it came right out of the air. I was in sport mode by the way

[@arkchan]

some people said we should not do quick turns with this cinewhoop, well if we cant turn when flying at 9m/s (like Mads Tech did at 2:22), what's the purpose of this cinewhoop? is it still a cinewhoop we can expect? apparently its the drone issue ...

[@Rizla2016Drone]

Hello mate, hey just a thought do you think the memory card slot cover could be opening slightly with the force from turning or prop wash , then temporary gaming or stopping that one motor. Because to be honest mine doesn't feel that securely locked in, the props are that close to the rim the cover would only have to pop out a little to gam the prop.

[@Flamamacue]

I happened to have mine with me on my desk and had a look, this is definitely conceivable IMO. Because the clearance of the prop is so tight it would only need to move a mm or so to interfere with it enough to affect flight to that degree. No FPV expert but it's a logical possiblity

[@Kolgezen]

this is common issue for cinewhoop ducted drones. not especially for avata.

[@MadRC]

Not an inverted flip and nose dive.

[@thomask.626]

I have the same problem first two weeks flying I thought mine is free of this problem but yesterday i chased a quad bike and I nearly crashed into water 2 times in tight turns really wierd feeling don't understand why it's doing it like the Motors stop for a second at high momentum so sad except of this it's the greatest drone in my opinion

[@rcrdps8144]

Too much I term. Really, it exhibited the same downward nose thing when you turned right, it just happened to dip more on the left turn enough to crash. Considering it's a fairly symmetric machine, I'd chalk up the direction to more of a coincidence. The problem is that once it hit the ground, it freaked out. That seems like an I term issue. Just like when you bump a wall with a whoop and it sucks into it and goes crazy. Lowering I term helps a bit. Maybe they're not using the latest version of betaflight,. 😆 Sounds like they also need to put more priority on the kill command.

[@FBremza]

Today is 17.3. 2023 and I experienced the same issue. The drone got out of control in Manual mode and crashed in the tree in full speed. It was broken to pieces. Luckily it didn't hit a person - after thinking - this kind of drone shouldn't be on the market as it's endangering people's lives. Does anybody know if there are any European institutions (or any other) inspecting DJI Avata issue?