DJI Avata Yaw Flip Issue - Has DJI Fixed It ?

[@dronelandingzone]

Thanks for running it through its paces, Ian! Great job demonstrating the problem and the lack of a true fix. I appreciate you going through all of the settings and issues.

[@dondupuis4007]

Thanks!

[@londenard]

Apparently, you finally heard me screaming "fly higher!!!" Hahaha. This reminds me of when I was a kid and showed my parents that I needed a babysitter! People have convinced DJI that they need babysitting. There you go.

[@gmivisualsjason3729]

Thanks Ian, very good information. I personally have no desire to purchase the Avata. Too heavy and too noisy for most of the areas I live. Personally I prefer sub 250g for UK flights. But if I did own this then I'd be very grateful for all this information. Once I knew their was a problem like this I'd fly in such a way as not to trigger it.

[@Stevieboyfpv]

Mine did that 1st day I had it in manual not an aggressive flight just testing its capabilities. Hit the ground and then headed for the heavens. I didn't buy this for hard-core acro work I have other whoops and quads for that but I don't think it should have acro if it can't do a mild pace 180 yaw spin even. Tbh I was pretty gutted to of scratched mine up on the 1st day for a minor maneuver. Its an expensive thing to be crashing over a fault not pilot error. This "band aid" actually narrows its uses and makes it more unreliable to get the shot when it counts for anything at pace.

[@explorerfpv]

Thanks Ian it’s good to see someone still giving us updates on this situation, someone who isn’t brainwashed by DJI for free products. unfortunately I’m now one of the statistics who has lost my Avata over water flying through a quarry due to the same issue - yaw turn malfunction! I tried so hard not to do a sharp yaw turn but that’s quite impossible for Someone who flys manually every week with other quads, even tho I was flying quite gently when it happened. After going through the process with DJI submitting the flight logs and actual video, they were quick to come back with an answer saying “it was pilot error” The pilot tried to do a right flip resulting in loss of altitude causing the aircraft to crash 😂 even tho my video clearly shows when I did a right sharp yaw turn the Avata dropped left and flipped over into a freeze position which unfortunately didn’t recover and put me in the water. Naturally I kindly disputed the data analysis team who was handling my case and asked for another team member to review my case for a second opinion! Two weeks in no word so I emailed them for an update, I was then told my case will be looked at by a senior engineer and that was 2 weeks ago! So almost 4 weeks in I’m still at the mercy of the Data analysis team who are either making me wait on purpose because I disputed their assessment or there is some serious data analysing going on to try and figure out why this happened! Either way I’m absolutely disappointed with the way they are handling this and even more disappointed for buying the Avata in the first place since it can’t even do a simple yaw turn. Once this is resolved either way I’ll be selling my Avata.

[@WhaHoppen69]

Updates?

[@MCsCreations]

Thanks for testing, Ian! 😊 But yeah, DJI still has some work to do. Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@BrianKramp]

This is unacceptable. Thank you for reporting. Keep us updated.

[@londenard]

I also wonder if the frozen batteries played any part in this scenario? Cold batteries=lower output typically. Easy enough to test, I guess.

[@LowryDroneography-Steve]

Na I did the same thing several times on purpose early October and batteries were relatively warm. Whether people believed it or not, its just a trait of this drone cos it’s not meant to do moves like that and isn’t designed well for it. If I fly it fairly erratically but without sharp yaw spins, I have no problems. If this problem occurs when people are flying chilled, then it becomes a problem. I’ve not experienced that though.

[@SkeezyFPV]

It flies like shit with cold batteries. Let’s be honest. I haven’t flown in a few days because of the temperature and how the avata flies in the cold. It’s fine if I’m flying cautiously but forget trying to do anything that might require me to punch out or pull out from a loop or anything like that. I really like my avata but it’s not very good in the cold and/or moderately gusty winds. The FPV drone is way better in those conditions. I wish it wasn’t such a pain to switch between quads. DJI should fix that.

[@LowryDroneography-Steve]

@@SkeezyFPV I do agree with that completely, theres a difference. If you keep the batteries warm it’s not too bad but below freezing outside and there’s no point regardless. I don’t think the cold contributes towards the tumble/flip at all because this has been proven, however cold conditions definitely help this drone even less than they do others.

[@tymoteuszkazubski2755]

@@LowryDroneography-Steve It is poorly written software. They messed up either AHRS (unlikely as it quite quickly recovers when switched to stabilized mode) or angular rate controller though it should be hard as acro should be body frame rates anyways.

[@SkeezyFPV]

@@LowryDroneography-Steve I warmed my batteries up today with the windshield defroster for about five minutes before I flew today in -2 C and I got the throttle restriction at 47%. 13 minutes flight time but I didn’t do any flippy floppy stuff and flew pretty conservatively. That’s about a minute short of what I’d normally get. I think 10-15 C is the sweet spot temp-wise for these batteries. It was nice getting out after almost a week of only flying the sim :)

[@ElPistyGamer]

Nice video 😊 but I have a question, that happen to you is you the one that put the avata on normal mode, or the avata do it by itself?

[@bbjunkie]

Let’s call it “wife” mode seems when you do something it doesn’t like it ignores you and goes off in a huff 😂

[@ejo1960]

I tried putting it in manual mode yesterday, but got stuck at the stick instruction message, not sure I want to continue after seeing your video. On hindsight: all DJI drones have a maximum turn (pitch roll and yaw) rate in the IMU, you can try this before landing, let it (avata or mini 3 pro) hover where you can grab it with your hand. Now turn it over rapidly and you will see the error message "maximum imu rate, motors stopped" (or something similar) on the controller display. I'm not sure whether this also happens in manual mode, but if that safety precaution is still there in the software then the Avata will be limited in acro mode.

[@typxxilps]

band aid sounds good. Hopefully the band sticks quite well. but really nice weather and spot to fly,

[@LowryDroneography-Steve]

Was looking forward to this video even though I knew what would happen cos I fly the damn thing all the time! 😂 Cheers Ian, always great content 👍

[@hombredelfuturo_888]

Have you tried upgrading the protectors with the axisfly 3.5? Some say it fixes the issue

[@CaptureLifeConnection]

Interesting 🤔. Thanks for conducting these test. I’m done with my testing of the DJI Avata. My last test ended badly. I appreciate your time with this matter 🙏. ✌️😎

[@yt_support-03]

Terrible issue. Thx for the video. Wanted to use it on cliffs a d buildings but now always have to worry to loose it

[@Rk-mt4ll]

Love your channel,great stuff. Iv got a quick question. We got 2 new Avatas for Christmas and were having trouble with one of them. We also have 4 batteries. One Avata works great, not one problem, but the second one keeps giving me battery communication errors. As you probable already know the 2 small pins that are next to the main battery leads are staggered in length. On the Avata thats giving me the problem, as long as I have the battery seated it seems to be ok ,but if I BARELY move the battery connector it starts giving me the errors. The other Avata doesn't have this problem. I think that the shorter plug (Data)might be just a tad to short and is breaking connection, even when flying. I really hope this doesn't happen to the Avata thats working great. All 4 of the batteries are doing the same thing on the bad Avata. I have the latest firmware on everything.

[@krisgleave]

Ian fancy trying this out? Have you updated to the latest firmware on the Avata which requires the phone to be connected? I’ve seen online that if you turn the goggles on first, then when ready turn on the Avata. As soon as the image comes on screen start the drone BEFORE GPS lock and it should start fine

[@dondupuis4007]

Great job, are you concerned cold battery had a negative impact on your testing? Thanks for the demo. Did you do any demos with V2 goggles? Thanks.

[@BigDawg3081sPS4GamingChannel]

Mine was also doing that just in normal mode. It would flip with to tight of a turn using the motion controller.

[@dronevan]

thanks for testing. I think overall issue is the fact is a whoop still.. if you remove the guards it is fixed

[@pryvisee]

What version is this? I was running version 1.03 and had it crash into a roof. Totally split it in half since it didn’t have to enough time to go into normal mode.. I feel like this is extremely dangerous.

[@Robin-Visser]

Have you ever noticed an increased signal and range during cold temperatures?

[@SkeezyFPV]

My signal varies so much with the weather it’s crazy. I’ve quit flying my Avata outdoors for the winter unless we get some days above maybe 5 Celsius. The battery sag takes all my confidence away with the avata. I may have to try those updated motors from t-motor because I was expecting better performance than this in the winter. Maybe I’ll try warming the batteries with my windshield defroster idk. I’m getting sick of flying the sim. I’m in the states near Niagara Falls. The weather sucks. :(

[@BlueDroneBlues]

I think they just need to replace some of those units? Ken Dobo has run tests with his Avata and has tried a few times to duplicate that same scenario and never got it to happen. Maybe there are just a selected few that are bad units? Hope this gets worked out either way!

[@SkeezyFPV]

I’ve never had it happen with mine and I tried it going 64 mph with a strong tailwind. I also think it’s certain units and not all of them.

[@BlueDroneBlues]

@@SkeezyFPV agreed. 😉

[@dangerous8333]

Ken (dobo) is in DJI's pocket. It's completely obvious to anyone with an average IQ. You won't be hearing much negativity towards DJI on Ken's channel going forward. I'm barely on his channel anymore. JB, Drone camps, Mads, Albert tell it like it is. Ken was always a camera drone guy. He didn't get into fpv until a few years back around the same time I was. So he's never been a source for me when it came to FPV. I only watched his videos to get info on my Evo 2 pro.

[@IdleWorker]

Might be its automated systems that are getting errors. Like it tried to auto move higher to a set distance maybe and didnt respond until it deemed itself ”safe”. Maybe

[@Sir_Hubris]

I thought it used to happen with left yaw turns only, if i remember good from your previous video?

[@WindRiderPNW]

Thanks for the testing. Did you notice any odd behavior landing in normal mode? I get a lot of warnings about my landing location, and then it jumps up a couple or several feet. Switching to sport mode avoids it. I'm thinking they messed with the bottom sensors and landing configurations/algorithms 🤔

[@MadRC]

Tbh due to the weather I hand caught.

[@SkeezyFPV]

Ken Dobo had the same bouncing issue in a video about the update yesterday. It only seemed to happen for him when he flew after removing the phone cable from the goggles. It flew fine but the landing was wonky like that.

[@paul-ku]

only in manual mode when not kill motors. jumping like crazy :D also when crash to wall, it sticks to wall at full throttle :D

[@WindRiderPNW]

@@SkeezyFPV Yep...Guilty. As soon as I take off I hit the pause\brake, then pull the cable out of the phone and continue flying. I did test a couple of flights today and didn't have any issues. I was landing on table yesterday which is what I just saw he was doing as well.

[@SomeGuy_83]

Flew mine yesterday and the issues still there. It catches itself most of the time and goes out of manual mode however yesterday I did a left turn banking at around 40 degrees and the drone flipped by 180 degrees and because is was about 1 meter off the groundnit caused a crash. I know it's a cinewhoop but this is not good enough I've never experienced such an issue with any other drone. In my opinion it's due to a gyro issue confusing the flight controller.

[@TheMadmacs]

i wonder if some kind of power limit is causing the control element to max out, motors dont sound like they are hitting any kind of maximum control element, i mean i dont hear that one or two motor scream when its doing extreme moves, looks like its dippy on the axis?

[@BNIRc]

I mean ok they said they could stop people from intentionally crashing there drones , kinda works lol. But lies to push the remote I'd ....not cool DJI but none the less it's the product that brought us the 03 air unit and sweet camera so I really love it . I love the channel nice info👍

[@AerialWaviator]

Thanks Ian, informative context on the firmware update. The good news is the hardware is good, just the firmware could use some tweaks. So more a wait and see for owners, vs. having hardware that under performs.

[@maro0016]

I had a bad flipp filming a waterfall in the Swiss alps 😂. It recovered but I’m now quite frightened…

[@dangerous8333]

I'd be nervous every time I flew this thing, that's a crappy feeling to have.

[@maro0016]

@@dangerous8333 @MadRC here’s what happened kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3XEoJ-Lbq-BodE

[@NaorFPV]

Perfect drone, i love it. and you can enjoy a crash and go. maybe a half size battery will fix it.

[@SkeezyFPV]

That would be sweet actually.

[@dangerous8333]

It's hardly the perfect drone. For one, a drone that's not easy to fix is not perfect. Half size battery? So less flight time as the fix? 😂

[@NaorFPV]

@@dangerous8333 like the other drones flight time

[@MrEddieNunez]

Finally see you flying. 😮

[@MadRC]

It does happen more than you think lol

[@sullytrny]

Straight ducts, bigger props, less prop pitch?

[@craigdavo]

I had a great flight after fw update, was fantastic. 👍

[@dishant5867]

3:12 I had my first ever avata crash the same way… luckily (extremely luckily if you watched the footage) I got it back, but after crash on ground it just goes bonkers and i cannot control it whatsoever.

[@alltagsvlog]

Had the funny “ignore me” behavior two times. Always after tipping the ground with the Avata’s nose. One time it ended almost in a flyaway ,… it drifted up and to the side ,… completely ignored me until I pushed the brake button repeatedly …

[@sanketanim]

Is this still an Issue as of today?

[@ChrisRichardsonwtfgamer]

Great video Ian. That loss of control scenario is scary if that flying brick was in a city. I've got a video on an overcast day where the AVATA started drifting backward using the motion controller. After it crashed into a wall, I attempted another flight and the same thing happened again. It's been a day and I just tried it indoors. I also did the firmware update. Things seem back to normal without drift. But that's scary. What if I was doing a car show gig and the thing suddenly drifted away scratching up paint jobs? Spooky.

[@LucianSimaAdv]

same happend to me indoor...it seems that it hase a problem with some light enviroment

[@MobileGamingLegendz]

My avata has fallen out of the sky about 5 times for probably two different reasons. Sometimes the aircraft will just shoot to one side until it crashes no way to pull it out, and I have had the googles just DC from the avata for no good reason that I can think of except one and maybe the battery plug was not pushed down hard enough? I really dont know cause it crashes and the batter pops off. But ya those two reason both have happened to me more then once have brought my drone down. I will say this as much as I have crashed it (im still a newb manual flyer) it just keeps going. I have had to change props a few times, and the cage is really banged up and green from grass... it just keeps flying . They at least built it tough.

[@brentsheldon8667]

Thanks for all the information. The more I learn about the DJI Avata the happier I am I didn't upgrade. I definitely think building your own drone makes more sense you have so many more options with components.

[@stephank2706]

Have u reported this to DJI? I guess they consider it as "fixed" now..

[@ShinyVideoStuff]

All the software in the world can't make up for the physical characteristics of a low power/weight ratio and ducts.

[@nightlightup]

i wonder if the motors mod will help a bit more regarding this issue :)

[@MadRC]

I beleive it may.

[@jessegarcia4224]

Nope! Mine still crashed and I had upgraded the motors. Only lasted 16 days before it killed itself. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gF7JfmespseUaqc

[@wearemany73]

It’s clearly tougher than a s**t- house rat 🐀 so there’s nothing wrong with DJI’s choice of plastics. I’m not sure this Yaw flip issue can be resolved since it’s partially an aerodynamic phenomenon. The software element of the problem can be resolved given enough motivation for DJI to get it done. This was a super doopa , comprehensive review and offered us more insight into this issue.😎👍🇬🇧

[@MadRC]

100%. It’s a combination issue. It’s the full on flip over that’s the issue.

[@wearemany73]

@@MadRC The aerodynamic element of the problem is making the FC crazy. The adjacent motors of front right and rear left are spooling up while front left and rear right are wound down in order to induce enough torque rotation to initiate the yaw left. These factors compound each other along with battery sag, under-powered motor/weight ratio and it’s a perfect storm of many contributing factors conspiring to create the Yaw Flip Issue. The FC is unable to demand enough authority from its array of resources and “freaks out” (“freaks out” is scientific terminology 🤓)

[@SkeezyFPV]

@@wearemany73 excellent explanation. I’m comfortable with the way mine flies now and don’t want to induce any new quirks so I’m leaving my avata air gapped and rid free! (Isn’t RID a medicine for lice??? 😂)

[@dangerous8333]

What gives you the impression that it's tough? If you fly it like a traditional fpv freestyle quad it's not going to last. Most people aren't flying it like that anymore though. So there aren't enough crashes to even know that yet. All I know is that I've seen it crash and break and it's not easy to fix, so...🤷

[@wearemany73]

@@SkeezyFPV …that’s my understanding of RID too. 😁

[@MyloKaye]

Don’t think you showed the actual crash? Or did I miss it. 😅

[@Ddraig62SPD]

Great testing as usual Ian. Nice weather at your spot. Where are you? Looks a bit like the Cleddau Estuary in the background. Can’t figure out whether you have a Pembrokeshire or Newport, Gwent accent 😂

[@MadRC]

That be Pembs 😀

[@florianricker1633]

Has anybody a clue where to get a spare antenna for the goggle2 (the New smaler model, not the v2)

[@Quad_Father]

Not a big enough carrot to get me to upgrade software and do the remote ID thing.

[@tonymorgan328]

Agree. Leaving mine as is out of the box. Flies great for me.

[@mx118racer]

Has anyone done a test with a counter weight under the quad . Like a gopro mounted under .. the quad is pretty durable considering !!

[@dangerous8333]

What gives you the impression that it's durable?

[@mx118racer]

@@dangerous8333 have you seen some the reviews ppl bashing the crap out of these things ? They do better than the carbon cine whoops like cinelog25 etc here just a sample of someone else video kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqO0ppt4ebiIadU

[@myfalconry76]

My opinion is that DJI manufactured bad FCs and didn’t realize it until it fell out of the sky and it’s too late to go back. Or, they deliberately manufactured it that way in an attempt to increase the revenue from repairs and care refresh.

[@metallicaandchimaira]

This happened to my avata when I attempted a slow flip over a tree. It ended up breaking 2 props, giving me an ESC auto check error, and also giving me a propulsion error. Sadly I wasn’t recording since I was just practicing the acro on the avata :(. I sent it to them but ik ima have to pay to get it fixed.

[@CarbonIcarusFPV]

Thanks Ian. For those who want to see another example of the Yaw issue itself check out my video where it happened twice within a couple minutes. Feel free to skip to 15:55 to see just those parts. This so-called "fix" in the firmware update is not a fix at all. It simply tries to force the drone to level out, brake itself and go into Normal mode. This is somewhat helpful to prevent a crash, but it completely takes away the ability to fly in Manual Mode, uninhibited. This drone was marketed as a drone that could fly in Manual mode, and this issue where the drone freaks out and flips upside down is Not Resolved in the least. This is like your car slamming on the brakes if it senses wheelspin. DJI, please fix this. It may need a PID Tune adjustment in some new firmware, but guys, don't believe the hype about this being caused by it's weight, CG or aerodynamics. This is the Flight Controller Spazzing out and reacting in a way it shouldn't. It needs to be fixed. kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2K0koJ-oJWLhcU

[@le_tranq]

Seems like a great drone.

[@dangerous8333]

Lol, no it doesn't. Seems like it's riddled with problems and now it's been handicapped with the latest firmware.

[@le_tranq]

@@dangerous8333 hahaha, yes it sucks, I was being sarcastic, sorry!

[@tonygee3284]

Another great video thanks Upgrade your motors fixes all these issues BEST DJI AVATA Upgrade - Axis Flying C157 Motors - FULL BUILD Video, FLIGHT TESTING, & REVIEW AXISFLYING C157 for DJI AVATA : more power! how about battery consumption? (full flight) Hope its helpful

[@johnarnebirkeland]

Soo.. They are able to detect when the bug happens, but can't be bothered to actually fix it.

[@tymoteuszkazubski2755]

Some issues are pretty hard to properly fix but impeding problem can be detected relatively easily. For example Apollo command module had an attitude gyro with three gimbals. It would lockup when put into certain attitudes so if the CM was nearing these attitudes it would show a warning if pilot got too close to an unsafe attitude (gyros don't like being forced to rotate any other way and can react violently when gimbals lock up) the system would be disabled and attitude reference would be lost. Fixing this would require installing heavier and more complex gyroscope that would have an actively driven gimbal keeping it from locking up. This would be really expensive as said gyro was sitting on top of a Moon rocket where every ounce has significant impact on performance.

[@RcReviewsLt]

More like just simple Flip OF Death, when esc can't handle amps via thin wires to motors.

[@FOXTWELVESTUDIOS]

Dont cry, upgrade your motors and you will be good !

[@malanalan1]

It is the manual mode! It is under full control of the pilot! Jeez!

[@MadRC]

You seem to be missing the point that it goes out of control that’s the issue and not in the control of the pilot.

[@MiMMiMMiMMiM]

Yes it, still flips. Bought September 2023, all Updates in, flipped in October, lost in the sea. Height flying approx. 20m. Flipped and crashed into the water, no chance to do anything. Goggle-Video shows wind of 70km/h which was NOT the case.

[@SBvice]

It’s not a bug it’s a feature, or as apple says you’re flying it wrong

[@Shooter_FPV]

Great video, glad you put it to the test. I'm not doing any updates on mine, it runs fine as-is... there is nothing in this update that I need. I'm not doing any pro shoots, so 10-bit color doesn't matter. And even though I always fly mine in Manual Mode, I never do hard turns, enough to make it freak out. So for now I'm good...

[@ollie_fpv]

Have you still not had any tumbles in manual mode?

[@Loz348]

on 4 seperate occasions iv asked you about the fogging in your current climate both in discord and on youtube im wondering why you refuse to answer my question when you have answered a number of question asked after mine?

[@MadRC]

Sorry missed it. It was fogging yes still here in this. It always fogs for me. I have stated this in my review of the goggles. They have bad fitment, optics are not great end to end and close to zero anti fogging.

[@Loz348]

@@MadRC thats great to know thank you for the honesty, i only live 1 hour from you so would be faced with the same issues and as i fly for hours on end this would be a big issue for me, iv been holding back investing the 700 quid cos i was worried about this, iv had this before on goggles that had no anti fogging and ended up changing goggles, so for me the v2 i have are still the right goggles, appreciate your unsensored response thank you.

[@mattalford3932]

The easiest way to fix the yaw snap issue is to fly the avata the way it was manufactured to fly. If you want a freestyle drone, buy 1 or build one lol.

[@db_spielttv2979]

had this problem like 20 minutes ago

[@arkaei]

the only thing about the Avata that's appealing to me personally are the goggles.

[@AlessandroKarijowiredjo]

I bought 2 this year. One of them is somewhere in a river and the other survived a crash. I don't think this drone is made for sharp turns and flips

[@carmellight8595]

Hmm. Making a rapid turn is regarded as an abnomal attitute? That's lil wierd and fail quad even it's cinewhoop.

[@alex-m-jones]

I don't like it, I have had the condition happen to me and I recovered on my own. Kicking people out of manual mode isn't really the answer

[@Dienex]

ducts and cinewhoops are prone to this behaviour on sharp yaw turns, they simply are not built for it

[@MadRC]

It’s not the wash out that’s not normal. It’s the total flip. No whoop Iv flown flips it’s self down onto the ground. It’s the IMU going nuts that’s the issue.

[@SkeezyFPV]

@@MadRC have you found this to be exacerbated by strong crosswinds. I’ve never had this issue but I’m pretty cautious about flying in any kind of gusty unsettled wind. The Avata doesn’t like wind or cold weather. It’s like we are brothers haha

[@dangerous8333]

@@SkeezyFPV Holy crap it doesn't like cold or wind either? I'm starting to wonder if there are any pros to buying this thing. This drone is like taking two steps back in the hobby. The only benefit I see to this thing are safety features, but all my built quads have GPS and RTH, so.. 🤷

[@trickay222]

It’s a band aid. Not a fix. But it’s the best they can do with a fatal design flaw. The CG is high and the motors are too weak to compensate for the momentum created. Wider props could help or a smaller battery but then we lose flight time. (As I type this I’ve reached the point in the video where you state it’s not a fix but a band aid. Lol)

[@dronepilot260rc]

I just don’t think DJI drones are any good for freestyle but cinematic/ long range flying is where they really shine 🎉

[@johndextersantos9541]

probably too much yaw makes it loose authority when it flies with just two propellers. Solution could be higher pid but would cause it to lift up during sharp yaw turns.

[@joelyfpv7075]

That’s bad isn’t it, my 5 inch Nazgul never does anything like that

[@steinmar2]

When I want to fly manual and don’t want that anyone interferes with my controls

[@BumbleBeeFPV]

My cinelog35 is definitly much more stable during yaw flips ...

[@Fly_High_FPV]

I was following 2 avata pilots today (one on the motion controller, one on the grey tango clone) with my 5" OG air unit on crossfire. Caught a video of them both going beserk, both pilots losing control at the same time, approx 150feet from the pilots. First Avata accelerated left and into the roof, and then at the same spot the 2nd one also lost control, and the Avata swerved into the same wall and crash out both pilots. They broke ducts and props....within LOS of the pilots.(My 5" freestlye drone was fine, thanks for asking 🤣). It's weird that they would have a loss of control at such short range, i'm assuming they interferred with each other, since i'm not using 2.4ghz and religiously turn off wifi n bluetooth and a lack of GPS and dark floor was too much for the lil plastic guys to simply hover and wait for the crappy rc link to come back.

[@SkeezyFPV]

Lmfao 😂😂😂 I’ve been there. My DJI potato did that once and put a dent in the garage door. Quad was miraculously fine. Dvr video was hilarious. I kinda like the potato better than the avata honestly but I got an O3 au and I’m working on my first build; an aos Cine25. Any recommendations on an aio and motors for that thing, fly high??? Thx in advance 😊

[@Fly_High_FPV]

Seems it may have been darkness thst caused the crashs

[@Fly_High_FPV]

@WarriorLife FPV i wouldnt have been suprised if it had been one...but 2 avata's smashing themselves into the wall... 🤣

[@kennykobi]

Can you please try this again, with a warm battery and keep the camera angle the same. I believe you did the tear down and the gyro is in the camera. @originaldobo did a review showing the behavior aswell. It's really not meant to be topped out and banked. I'm not saying it's okay to fall out of the sky. The extreme testing I understand. Changing the camera angle while ripping probably throws the gyro off. I'm not sure if self levels in manual mode. But possibly both together is why it flipped out and raised.

[@kennykobi]

Thank you for the review. @madstech I'm not saying not rip on it because that's what you're job is. I'm just curious as to why Kens didn't behave the same. He ripped pretty hard on it.

[@MadRC]

I have made this do it in the middle of summer. The battery is not the cause. You want to see it before go back and look at the earlier video. Yesterday was cold but that’s not the cause of the issues.

[@CappaGTC]

Why people keep trying to freestyle a cinewhoop? It's like trying to wheelie a car. Somehow u can, but it won't be affordable...

[@dangerous8333]

I think because they see other people freestyling cinewhoops. It's just that this thing is a toy and poorly designed.

[@seamus1203]

Are you turning off the “m-mode attitude limit” in the Gain & Expo menu? This would easily explain your issue .

[@deejayft8218]

Sounds like there’s some avata haters in the comments 😂 lol, their the ones who secretly want it the most🤫

[@Loz348]

fogging in the goggles?

[@fpvfun922]

Noisy flying shit indeed 🤣

[@paul-ku]

DJI batteries perform better in cold. 15% more time. No issues with avata. never turn with only yaw at full speed, its not very wise

[@SkeezyFPV]

Mine sucks in temps below about 5 c. All I have to do is go back and look at the length of my videos since September to see that battery life is cut by about 30% and the power output gets throttled around 60-70% battery level. If I do any loops it doesn’t seem to have the power to pull out at the bottom. It’s definitely not better in cold weather.

[@paul-ku]

@@SkeezyFPV maybe you allow to freeze batteries before flight? I keep them warm in my car, never hold in cold places. DJI fpv design is good because it islotes battery from cold. So if battery is warm before flight, it will not freeze. It will have just perfect cooling :D

[@stephenfrench3077]

Good to know what I was seeing that Avata props that rotated in Do anyone try to reversed the prop rotation out My whoops seems to fly better with prop rotation out Reverse motor wire or using beta flight or bheli esc to reverse them I know warranty will be void. Worth trying experiment ☺

[@mapolinski]

I’m confused about people saying that they didn’t fix the issue. How exactly can you fix an aerodynamic issue with a firmware update? It’s not possible. The only way to get a “true fix” is to redesign the aircraft. This fix is the best you are going to get until you get a different drone.

[@tymoteuszkazubski2755]

The primary issue is definitely in their acro controller as evidenced by previously happening FC lockups other flight stacks handle yaw washout more gracefully.

[@joaorodrigues-dy9rm]

Spending so much money, and then if you have a drone left, spend time testing for flaws..... No good

[@MoranHelman]

if you fly like an idiot - you will crush like one.

[@maro0016]

Here a flip over & recovery me diving a waterfall in the Swiss alps 🤣 kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3XEoJ-Lbq-BodE

[@owensspace]

Wow, I wouldn’t buy one. Building them is the way

[@mckrackin5324]

That strange kick back issue can't be patched out. It's a hardware problem. Lack of power. The inertia of the machine is able to overwhelm the motors. People will have to learn the machines limits or upgrade the motors and learn the new limits. This doesn't bother me. The tether to a phone on the other hand...

[@SpongeBob-xh8ir]

CCP have your location and data now

[@MadRC]

Yep, I am more than happy for the CCP to know where I am and what I’m doing. If they want to track me via satellite then at most they will get to see my balls.

[@cisnerosmike]

When you try to intentionally crash you will crash!! 😂😂🤣👍

[@MoppelMat]

this is a non issue. you are not supposed to fly a cine whoop like this with sharp yaw turns. pilot error

[@MadRC]

I’m sorry but no. There many videos showing this happening in normal movement.

[@MoppelMat]

@@MadRC kzbin.info/www/bejne/mWPWqqx7rKl-jrc

[@michaelczeslaw9920]

What a fucking joke, you pay 1000pound and still not fixing dji is a joke my mini s2 today just crashed at night ,marvic 2pro loses signal and now this .....😂😂😂

[@JSKCKNIT]

While I agree that this should not be happening, at the end of the day, this is a cinewhoop and not meant to be flown like it's a 5" freestyle quad.

[@tymoteuszkazubski2755]

Well, controller lockup is not an acceptable failure mode for a commercial of the shelf multirotor. I hope they fix the issue properly as switching mode to avoid a lockup is less than ideal solution.

[@zanonfpv7036]

O meu cachorro pilota melhor

[@OGFlow77]

Such a cool little quad🤣🤦🏼 👉🏼🗑️