I was WRONG about this headphone!

[@thelastrhino2581]

DMS giving that headphone some healthy taps. Proper man handling.

[@DMS3TV]

Beyer's one of the few headphone makers I really feel comfortable handling that way. They just last forever.

[@metal571]

@@DMS3TV you could have chucked them halfway across the room and I wouldn't have been mad. I love buying used cans

[@dannybos7024]

The greatest redemption arc story in al of Audiophile Land.

[@humanemulator5297]

All?

[@jasonjulian6436]

@@humanemulator5297 The man said what he said. Al is omnipresent.

[@bassebassesen2254]

I miss Metal , one of the few who had slightly different opinions about sound

[@ericlopez3180]

I'm so glad you came around on these DMS! The DT770 80 ohm has been a pure GEM in the metal crowd for years and one of my personal favorite headphones.

[@squidwardstesticles5914]

Hell yeah, they’re by far the best headphones I’ve tried for the more in-your-face genres of metal like thrash because of the elevated sub bass and the 200hz dip that keeps it from sounding muddy like bass heavy cans often do with metal. I prefer something with a little more soundstage for genres like prog, but nothing beats these for a fat, meaty, aggressive metal sound

[@ItsFlyMCGFX]

@@squidwardstesticles5914 I'm getting the 250 Ω and I really enjoy melodic metal (like shadow of intent, lorna shore etc.) I'm very glad to hear that they are a good fit for that type of music, I was really worrying that I wouldn't get the same enjoyment out of my genre of choice!

[@GankWater]

This is my one issue with a lot of these headphone reviewers. They pretend like headphones are all equal with all genres of music. There is also a lot pretentious bullshit like hip hop or metal are not for "true audiophiles." 20 years ago i got a pair of HD600s from a friends recommendation, beautiful tuning, amazing vocals and detail, insanely boring for metal. I got a pair of DT770 80ohms shortly after, they complimented eachother so well. Breaks my heart that these "audiophile" characters can only parrot the bullshit from their echo chambers and not think critically about headphones as a tool like anything else, right tool for the right job. But hey, gotta keep tier list content coming.

[@aceofspades6667]

I like these type of videos... Sean from Zero Fidelity has a segment call "After the Hype" where he gives a follow up review after "living with a component" for like a year. He summarizes his initial take and then after living with the gear for a lengthy period of time he then gives an alt take of what changes in his opinion over time or perhaps something he missed/skipped in the first take.

[@StevenVenette]

I find it to be informative to have the frequency response graph (no eq). It’s not the whole story, but it can help us visualize the “V” shape you were talking about.

[@metal571]

Oratory1990 has a graph for the 770

[@johnbradshaw5900]

Beyerdynamic headphones are probably the best example that tactile feel and materials are not a proxy to indicate build quality and durability. Beyerdynamic headphones often feel a bit low rent and look homespun but my experience of various DT models has been that they are extremely hard wearing and well made headphones. Very comfortable too

[@WheezyTech]

I love the 80 Ohm 770. Supposedly there not meant to be any difference between the 250 and 80 but in my experience the treble spike on the 250 is higher and more extended. Although there's probably more difference between a single DT 770 with old and new pads than there is between an 80 and a 250 Ohm. When those pads wear the sound changes drastically.

[@metal571]

So far that's been my experience as well which is why I stick with the 80

[@ccozzarelli]

@@metal571 hi! Your review on the 770 80 ohms was one of the reason I got them. I have them plug to a Fiio Q1 Mll .. but sometimes I think it lacks a little power. What amp would you recommend for them for a $100 maybe $150 ? Thank you ,!

[@Drinkyoghurt]

I can't believe you prefer the K361. I guess people's taste do vary drastically. I love the DT990 Pro for example and I can remember you weren't too fond of those either. Guess I gotta try these DT770s then.

[@argo117007]

Yeah he’s wack

[@InfraredVisuals]

I love my dt770 32ohm as a regular user, been using it for 5 years now, had to change the pad once though.

[@Sainicooldude01]

What pads did you change them out for? I bought 80 ohms version as my first pair of headphones because of velour pads. Avoided 32 ohms just because of pleather pads.

[@ner0718]

@@Sainicooldude01 Most likely just a refresh (Buying the original beyerdynamic replacement pads).

[@marctestarossa]

I suppose they're so popular (especially for professional use like studios and stuff) because they sound good enough, detailed enough, have a good enough resolution for more intricate work and you can still enjoy listening music with them while being just built like a tank. They're basically indestructible. Change out the ear-pads every now and again and give them a new head-band-wrap after a few years and they will just last forever. Even the cable is super super sturdy. And if you happen to break your cable there are many guides on how to replace them. If they had replaceable cables they would be so much better, but maybe you need a weak point somewhere, otherwise there would be no need to producing and selling them at one point. So if you're thinking about getting the DT 770 80 Ohm: Save some money and buy them used and order a new set of cushions. And you probably can give them to your grandchildren at one point in the future, you can buy every single part of these headphones separately, even the plastic headband slider-thingy or the clamping ring for the ear cushions.

[@ithehappy1]

3:58 So there are closed backs with better imaging and soundstage than this? Please enlighten us with what those would be.

[@ugenegood6475]

+1

[@ugenegood6475]

Deep in the bass is not "somewhere around 100Hz" It's at 200Hz. That's huge difference.

[@ugenegood6475]

And don't complain about the soundstage. For a close back they have very good soundstage. Better than ATH-M50X or K371.

[@eat_ze_bugs]

These are just a no brainer for studio use. I reckon that almost every studio budget or not have these laying around somewhere.

[@HiFiGOAudio]

I have myself tried DT770, DT880, I loved both of them for their fantastic smooth sound quality.

[@towsifshahriarshovo]

For bass response what you recommend?? I have hd58x wanna buy dt770 is that worth??

[@PartyMusic775]

@@towsifshahriarshovo They're quite similar in the bass, nearly same. But do a switcheroo in the mids/highs, where 58X is mid-forward and 770 is highs-forward. 58X have better quality on the highs by a bit (more natural), but they don't stand out as much. If 770 and 58X had a baby it would be perfect.

[@residentzero]

Listening to this on my kbear stellar 😅

[@MrJabinho]

I heard that 600ohm , 250 ohm and 32 ohm are basicly the same set (more coilng on higher impedanse set) and 80 ohm version is more different construction.

[@manofst33l3]

As I listen to this on my DT 770 80 ohm, I cannot agree more. The main reason I went for these over anything else is the build quality. I don't mind the colder sound, I love the fact that if my cat knocks them off my desk, they do not care at all.

[@ACE112ACE112]

What does colder sound mean?

[@mrrrka]

@@ACE112ACE112 usually, lack of bass around 100-150hz

[@LoneBeastYT]

@@mrrrka ohh i thought warm-cold was meant to describe the mids and bright-dark is meant to describe the treble Mind helping me clarify that?

[@markothomas9765]

Hope you are healthy and feeling better

[@DMS3TV]

Thanks! Getting there. Lots of tests at the moment. Ill have some videos filmed soon wearing a heart monitor probably haha

[@markothomas9765]

@@DMS3TV we appreciate your time and work. If rest is needed make it a priority so you can return in full strength! Get well soon :)

[@orlandopadron2125]

I agree, felt the same when I tested them. They are ok but I ended up returning them and sticking to my HD 560s.

[@dasboss9111]

Take a look at the Beyerdynamic Xelento, they are awesome, super clear, outstanding separation, and good sound stage for IEMs. Pretty warm sounding. And they're detailed AF

[@user-vi3tb3bw5t]

600 dollars for a shitty iem lol

[@dasboss9111]

@@user-vi3tb3bw5t your opinion, i like em very much

[@Cookiejarlid]

I have the 250 ohm version and I feel it's a lot like you are describing, bass is there but not too punchy, highs elevated but not sibilant (you will notice badly recorded vocals). Overall I like them a lot and they are super comfortable with Dekoni pads.

[@residentzero]

How do you like the pads upgrade? I'm getting my Dekoni choice leather next week

[@intoitreviews]

I've been fighting getting a 361 for awhile now... I probably should give it a look soon...

[@randomdude8897]

Hello everyone, The black background thing he has at 0.25... what is that exactly? It caught my attention and haven't been able to stop looking at it lol. Thank you to those who take the time to respond.

[@thetndixie]

It's really cool looking and on the wall behind him in the rest of the video. I think it's acoustic baffling.

[@BurningBushPedagogy]

NASA Never A Straight Answer

[@jedd1099]

I THOUGHT THIS VIDEO WOULD BE ABOUT THE SHP 9500

[@dannybos7024]

Lmao no, that still sucks.

[@metal571]

That headphone was good while it was like $50

[@nonenothing4412]

@@filipesouzajardim kph30i

[@atomic4650]

@@metal571 True now you can't get them without paying $150 minimum, it's ridiculous.

[@antpage2]

I dont agree. I have both and the DT770 kills the K361. The K361 sounded dark and muffled to me. The DT770 was much more clear and detailed. A very fun headphone.

[@towsifshahriarshovo]

Yaa, I have hd58x. Kindly confused between akg361 and dt770. What you recommend?? Whats the main difference in sound??

[@PartyMusic775]

@@towsifshahriarshovo 770 all the way. Unless you hate bright detail in the highs, or warmth in the mids is yours #1 goal. 770 = comfort + sound stage , total best-in-class for closed-back.

[@thebaker8637]

@@towsifshahriarshovo Let me just put it this way: they are tools that, although looking very similar, are used for completely different tasks. A carpenter's hammer is not a substitute for an electrician's hammer, despite both of them having a handle and a bit at the end that can hit objects. Knowing your requirements and use case will inform the decision of which one to pick, just like with any other tool. DT770 is a monitoring set, they're used by professionals in a studio environment to monitor a live recording, either while making music or for live broadcasts. The super analytical high-frequency range is very useful for picking up on any issues with the recording equipment, static, any adjustments that need to be made at the point of recording that are going to be difficult to fix later. Similarly, having that sub-bass extension is important because it lets you hear what you're recording all the way to the bottom of the frequency range, and for musicians it helps them follow the beat well. They need to reproduce the mids accurately, where most of the music lives. The studio environment informs their comfort, closed-back construction and repairability/durability. They also have amazing soundstage for a closed-back pair of headphones and subjectively they are quite fun to listen to. It's a purpose-built tool for ensuring your recordings won't suck in some way, but they are very far from a "neutral" sound versus the AKGs. This is the equivalent of getting what a cinematographer would see on their camera's monitor as they are shooting a scene for a movie. K361/K371 are headphones are designed to replicate the environment of a sound engineer listening to a perfectly flat set of reference speakers in an appropriately sound-treated room in something you can put on your head. This is called the Harman tuning, and the idea is that the set will be reproducing the exact proportion of sounds that the person making the final version of the song heard out of their big fancy speakers in a big fancy room. This is the only guarantee you're getting: if a certain frequency is perceived at a certain loudness by the engineer, it will be perceived at the same loudness on these as well. You will get the exact same level of bass, mids, and highs. However, they don't necessarily replicate the technical nuances of a pair of speakers, such as soundstage, particularly well, neither are they especially durable or repairable. That's how you can get a headphone be this neutral for this cheap, they will lack in areas other than amazingly close adherence to Harman. Think turning your TV to "ISF Expert" or "Moviemaker" mode -- it's a good (and arguably essential) first start so your colors are not all messed up, but they'll not make your home TV suddenly be an adequate substitute for going to see a movie in a theater. I personally have a pair of AirPods Pro 2s which are actually quite robust in terms of a "neutral" listening experience, so I much prefer to have a set with the tuning and characteristics of the DT770s as a "fun" pair, as there's very little that the AKGs excel at that the AirPods also don't do a pretty good job at. If you have no "neutral-sounding" headphones in your collection already, I'd probably pick the K361, or preferably try both of them out and see which one you like more.

[@towsifshahriarshovo]

@@thebaker8637 thanks for the reply. I recently bought Sennheiser hd58x sounds quite good honestly.

[@guybuddy1]

It's so weird.. I had the 80ohm version for about a year, and mainly only liked them for their comfort but had some things I couldn't get over with the sound. I sold them, then a friend swore the 250ohm version sounded "different", so I tried it and BINGO! the 250 had less recessed mids, and a smoother bass response. I guess it's all down to preference.

[@PartyMusic775]

250ohm is better on DT770 Pro. Love DMS but he got a bad test unit or didn't do due diligence testing it long enough. These headphones require what some people call "burn-in", or more accurately, getting used to. Only because so many other headphones MISS on a different kind of "harman target" or color that these have achieved. In spite of being "V-shaped" it's a different kind of V from what you think that means -- it's almost like it's photoshop cleaning up a dull raw photo with contrast processing. It seems to somehow correct for all the most common problems in recorded music. When you get familiar with this new "DT target" instead of the Harman target, you actually find it to be quite neutral and working well in all genres. Then it's nearly a perfect headphone and not as thin/cold as you might think. Even so, all headphones have to have some kinda double edge sword and if it doesn't shine as well as best-in-class 10-out-of-10 competitors in any area, it's probably mid-range warmth, "tonal soul", and highs being slightly "flat papery" compared to best-in-class in those 3 areas. But not bad, it's 7/10 in these areas. So you're not ANNOYED. Compared to other headphones that may be best-in-class in these areas but on some recordings sound "compressed", or "bloated", or "undetailed", or just off in some kinda way. I like that they're good for rock, metal, jazz, classical, gaming, like wow! What's even more amazing are the DT 770 Pro's for giving all the comfort, space, sound stage, lack of claustrophobia, that you just can't get on closed back usually. It's not a joke to say it's hitting in the "average" rank among open-backed headphones in the price range. Closed back are usually decidedly worse in these qualities. So if you get only one closed-back for those times you need isolation from others (or isolate them from you), I can seriously recommend the DT 770 Pro.

[@SoundWaveTrax]

Is the 1990 a worthy upgrade sound wise over the 600 ohm 990? You seem to like Beyer stuff (me too) and I see a lot of potential with their stuff with the addition of EQ modifications. The 990 (600 ohm) already sounds like an HD800 (sharper but with some notable improvements like more natural imaging) to me with some EQ. I'm just wondering if the 1990 has less harshness above 10K (990 has a bit too much "air").

[@SoundWaveTrax]

The relative flatness above 9-10K is a very interesting choice of tuning for the treble in particular because it kinda shifts the soundstage in front of your face in a way that's more natural than the stretched sounding HD800.

[@noah4087]

i loved your headphone tier list video with that other audiophile guy

[@dannybos7024]

Joshua Valour?

[@noah4087]

@@dannybos7024 lol yea

[@ResolveReviews]

Great review man.

[@metal571]

Great review man.

[@ResolveReviews]

@@metal571 Great review man.

[@WheezyTech]

@@ResolveReviews Great review man.

[@kristoffer8740]

Could you try to get a hold on the Focal Celestee or Aeon 2 Noire/Closed for a review?

[@djsoulfilter]

I bought the 80ohm version because several people said it had the most bass of the different ohm models. Sadly the bass is anemic on my pair. I’m driving them with a fiio k5 pro that has plenty of power. The mids and highs are fine I just feel the bass is lacking. It has the factory pads on them. Any recommendations on pad swapping to add more bass?

[@iridescentgherkin]

You might want to try doing the 'dust cap' removal mod first, since Beyers usually sound like trash with almost all other pads. Basically, open up the headphone and pop off the dust caps from the backs of both drivers. This will open up the bass a bit more.

[@djsoulfilter]

@@iridescentgherkin Do you mean remove the foam insert that covers the driver or the membrane underneath the foam? Example of both are in this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/g5rcmZKwfrh6kKM

[@iridescentgherkin]

@@djsoulfilter Nope. The foam insert that goes infront of the driver actually attenuates treble and makes the bass louder - you definitely don't want to remove that. I mean, remove the black retainer ring that holds the foam, then take out the entire white baffle that holds the driver. Then, at the back of the driver there is a cap that might be glued to the back of the driver.... but it's like hot glue, so the seal is easily broken. It should look like this cdn.head-fi.org/a/9638773.jpg after the mod is complete.

[@Locus_Red]

Try the pleather pads from the 32ohm version. I tried the both the 80 and 32 and found the 32 to have a lot more bass.

[@djsoulfilter]

@@Locus_Red thanks. Just got the pleather pads and these cans now have some decent bass.

[@yannibills9449]

hey DMS I checked your headphone ranking google doc and I didn't see the updated ranking of the 770 in this, only the 1770!

[@Tintop]

funny, I always knew AKG for their messed up tuning. I never heard an AKG that didn't massively falsify the sound (in a bad way)

[@DMS3TV]

same here, but the k361 is an exception.

[@metal571]

The K371 and K361 isn't Austrian AKG, it's just a brand name now owned by Harman and Samsung.

[@jaricklosey4607]

Completely agree with your take. So many say this is a bassy headphone and I don’t get it. There’s a tiny bit of sub bass in there but it’s so pushed in the highs than the upper bass and midrange gets recessed. So it sounds very bright and precise and thin. I’m trying a couple other closed backs to compare (Shure and KRK).

[@dobledekersoulwrekr]

That thumbnail does help viewership

[@IOSam]

In my experience, both the 770 and the 990 (both in the 250 ohms variants) can be redeemed on a good tube amp (more power on the sub-bass and tamed treble). Considering the price of these sets, it is just crazy value (if you already have a tube amp that is)! And that would be the main advantage of the 250 ohms variants, since 80 ohms is too low impedance for tube amplification.

[@chefsteve8381]

agree 100% the 250ohm on tubes are amazing, they need voltage

[@lathrin]

Any recommendations for tube amps? I have the 250 ohm 770s but I'm running them through a FiiO E10K, and in the future I want to upgrade to something that really brings out their full potential

[@ExtremelyTastyBread]

>80 ohms is too low impedance for tube amplification Can you help me understand what that means? What would be wrong with dt 770 80 + tube amp

[@IOSam]

@@ExtremelyTastyBread This is an EXTREMELLY technical (and thus super touchy subject within the audiophile community these days), so I'll tread lightly here and recommend that, if you really want to understand the nitty-gritty behind the "impedance matching" argument between amps and headphones, you should check an article by headphonesty titled "Headphone Impedance Demystified: Do I Need a Headphone Amp?" (not putting link here to avoid having the comment blocked). This is a long article, but one of the best I've ever found to explain this theme. Having said that, the simplistic explanation (that can still be challenged depending on specific cases --specially with more modern headphones and amps) is that you'll get more distortion when you use a lower impedance headphone into a higher impedance source (amp). While 80 ohms is not exactly low impedance, it is still lower than what most tube amps put out (between 100 to 120 ohms). So, plugging your 80 ohms Beyer to a tube amp will not damage it, but MIGHT (extreme emphasis on "MIGHT") sound slightly more distorted, noisy and produce a lower "damping factor" ("muddy", loose, "boomy" or less precise bass) to people who happen to be more sensitive to that. The very old and still generally accepted rule is that your headphone impedance should be at least twice that of your amp (which makes a 250 or 600 ohms Beyer great matches to a 120 ohms tube amp) for optimal sound that will preserve frequency response and, thus, sound cleaner. Obviously, newer solid-state amps have super low impedance (close to zero in most designs these days), so plugging a high impedance headphone into a low impedance source/amp will not necessarily be a problem in terms of sound quality (the only downside might be lower volume). So, this impedance matching rule is much better applied to OTL tube amps than the much more prevalent solid-state IC designs we have today.

[@Cobalt985]

@@IOSam yeah I run HD 58Xs off of an Apple dongle plugged into my (Linux) PC EQ'd to Harman and the bass is very tight and precise, can't say I hear any kind of distortion at all even with the EQ

[@ildarkinildarkin]

In my opinion the sound of these headphones is oldschool. If you listen to old records they sound fine but not modern music. So they are good for recording vocals or general tracking and that's it. Why a lot of studios, radio stations have them? Because they perfectly isolate sound, have clear sound representation and built like a tank - imagine hundreds of different people put them on and off every year in the studio, radio stations, they tossed back and forth. They are just a tool and an overkill for home studio, because they are very universal and at the same time too specific. They are in many studios because they are specific, not because they are great.

[@Lucaat]

250ohm is much better imo!

[@bryo4321]

These are amazing for electronic music, the subbass extension and slight bass boost and "spicy" treble gives electronic music a great "sound system" sound to me. Sounds a lot like standing right in front of a big sound system.

[@chefsteve8381]

never a truer word spoken

[@3therspark63]

So true.. I got Focals for accoustic jazz and classical, but EDM is Beyer all the way!

[@PartyMusic775]

@@3therspark63 I have similar opinion.

[@Obscurity202]

It's called low mids? Why do these weird audiophile people call it mid bass? That doesn't mean anything?

[@Your_Degenerate]

These are what I went with after having used Sony's MDR-V6 for a long time. I learned a little bit more just from experiencing something different. It took me a bit to figure it out but having more sound stage was what stood out to me along with the treble. All in all I'm fine with the purchase as they feel good even on a bald head and are built sturdy.

[@sladjanjordacevic2751]

To everyone who is planing on buying this headphones, you can use this headphones for mix and mastering but only with EQ CORRECTION, otherwise its a big no, high end and seperation between mid and high frequencies will destroy your mix i am telling you this with experience, i have the 80ohms version end i am using a sound profile and they are good, my mixes sound good on every device.That's my honest review and real opinion about them.

[@davidhawkins3328]

Dude I love your music scores! Do you make them yourself? Oh and nice vid on the headphones. Looking for a solid close back.

[@Damien_N]

That’s a cool jacket, what is it?

[@aight365]

Same question

[@emilnordgard5228]

bass isnn boosted in my oppinion its just that u can hear lower freaquesnsies

[@michaelcorcoran8768]

I'm pretty new to this hobby and this is one of the more common recommendations I get from people I trust. But I'm new to the hobby so maybe I don't trust the right people ;)

[@Hakku1403]

Good Video, thank you very much. I saw the AKG at the end, whats your oppinion? go for K-361 or K-371?

[@Burix1337]

what year is it

[@officerwizz]

2021

[@tallsz559]

@@officerwizz I think he meant the actual headphone

[@tichy_ocean]

@@tallsz559 It's a joke indicating that DT770 has been around for so long that is slowly getting out of touch from the new audio world.

[@tallsz559]

@@tichy_ocean Wow, I had no idea how long it had been around. Still crazy how it is relevant today.

[@tichy_ocean]

@@tallsz559 Yeah. They are ancient. It's a reason why they have been recommended for so long. They are good but I think people could do better with newer headphones.

[@LM-pg9hy]

i tried the k631 but really did not like it over the dt770 pro 80ohm

[@UnclePhillyMyAss]

same

[@Anter123h4]

I have the 770 pro and Im looking to buy another headphone simply for recording tho I don't like recording with the 770 pro, The ATH-50X I loved the sound off when recording but I heard its not that good for mixing. What headphone could I buy?

[@saricubra2867]

770 pros sound better for mixing than the ATH 50X and the 50X is more practical for recording.

[@kionmahuermicio9860]

I just buy the hd560s instead of the dt 770 because of you

[@KjetilHestvik]

Recently my first pair of these headphones broke, and i went back to using my Beats Pro by Dr. Dre from Monster headphones, i used to think they sounded great when i last used em in 2013, And realised they are just a unclear, to bass heavy mumbled mess. Really made me realise how great the 770 pros 80ohms sounds, and they are comfortable when using them for many hours

[@TheHope12322]

Can you review the Sennheiser GSP 600? Since you reviewed the TYGR from Beyer?

[@piscopopasco]

I'm looking for new headphones, just gaming and casual listening. Should I go with those or the hd560s?

[@DMS3TV]

PC38X

[@melaniezette886]

Il like it for music, streaming, I just lower over 6kHz.

[@benlegrandofficial]

I used to own the 250 ohm version - It's true that they have a very unique sound and they sound amazing, when they work... Unfortunately, for me, I remember the left cap/piece started grizzling/distorting only after a few days. I was mixing vocals and suddenly, the left side gave me this weird distorted noise. I actually read on the internet that it happens many times with the DT models, people suggested to take the headphones apart and mess around with them but my fix was to pack the headphones in its original box and return them for a refund. Maybe others won't be so unlucky but if I can recommend a pair of headphones, go for the MDR-7506.

[@ZQV559]

Where is the 250ohm review? pls

[@ZQV559]

thx , not.

[@hildegarden6]

I used the 250-ohm version for a few days before I switched to the 80-ohm version the next day, and I disliked the 250-ohm version and really liked the 80-ohm version. After a week of using only the 80-ohm version, I switched back to the 250-ohm version, and I heard no differences except that the 250-ohm version's stereo image was a little more to the right of center, while the 80-ohm versions' stereo image was a little more to the left of center. Delete this video and make a new one when you've compared the versions side-by-side, when they have brand new pads, and when you have given yourself enough time for mental burn-in.

[@PartyMusic775]

Can I get an "Amen"? You said it. You nailed it. You put your finger on exactly what's deficient in his reviews on these.

[@brunotolomeotti1204]

Which under 200 closed back would you recommend for imaging and staging (games)?

[@turbomustang84]

I have the DT-770 80ohm and at lower volume level it's decent but when driving it close to my personal preference with music I prefer a bit louder it's limitations are glaring.... But still works for me when I'm trying not to annoy my wife in the early AM... Curios if the 250ohm would have performed better ?

[@dmitriybardak]

250ohm will give you more highs overall and more details on highs. Which is very annoying for daily listening. But can be very useful for monitoring purposes. By the way, I have same impressions of dt770 80ohm. It's decent on low to mid volume. Just awesome. In mid to high volume sub bass become uplifted and a bit boomy. Fortunately I prefer to listen in low to mid range.

[@whoofman2013]

That was the most negative yet positive review I've seen.

[@DMS3TV]

Kinda how I feel about the DT770 lol. Ups and downs.

[@mrmonday42]

I'm thinking of this for my competitive gaming closed back. Is there anything you would recommend over this in the sub $500 category for closed-back competitive gaming headphones?

[@1997LCN]

I know these are two different categories but I've used many different pairs of iems and earbuds but never used any over ear, recently most used earbuds of mine are the Sennheiser Momentum True Wireless 2 but I want to try something new, how's the sound compared between DT770 PRO and the true wireless 2?

[@petitpanierdosier3206]

HOWEVER this specific unit is the older version of the 80ohm which leads us to the newer version which is plain worse

[@johnhurley8918]

DMS not hating something means it must be a good budget headphone.

[@ExtremelyTastyBread]

What would you recommend for more detail listening

[@mylifematter]

Metal did that review 6 years ago. Still looking great after all these years.

[@chefsteve8381]

pity the 361 will be in the bin by then

[@metal571]

Not the same unit at all lol, I sold that which was a huge mistake, bought another and sold, then bought this one and replaced the pads

[@matusjurcik6974]

exactly what i tried to explain to you some time ago but you replied a little bit arrogantly to my comment :D. But it is good to admit a mistake :). What close backs in ur opinion have better soundstage than the dt770? Because i found the soundstage on the dt 770pro 80ohm almost comparable to the stage of the sundaras... And in my opinion the 250ohm and 80ohm version are tuned differently thats not just due to the impedance difference.

[@jackjack3874]

DMS, how does the 361BT compare to the wired version? Is it worth buying?

[@alfiekennedy1657]

Are they loud enough to plug directly into your laptop without a soundcard for mixing?

[@greedokenobi3855]

I have the 770 250 ohm but for most of what you say I think it’s pretty simular to the 250 ohm. Maybe the word ‘little’ is where is differs. I hate the boosted sub/dipped mid lows and mid highs and boosted high’s. Very v-shaped indeed, I prefer the 880 pro over the 770 250 ohm. The 80 ohm might be a bit better than the 250 ohm, have no experience with the 80 ohm myself.

[@ammar5400]

Can you make a revisited for Focal Elex? Are they ok without QC issues?

[@ShriC]

Maybe not too related to this video, but I am really wondering how the AKG K361BT stacks up to the normal K361. Could you do a comparison or give a comment on the differences between the Bluetooth and the normal variants?

[@jari121]

According to Oluv's gadgets they are much worse both wired and bluetooth.

[@metal571]

Even Sean Olive says his "preference" is for the passive versions

[@aight365]

And the k371 bluetooth version?

[@iWasimAbbas]

Don't leave your heater on when go to bed.

[@jwester7009]

I just returned the 770pro 250ohm. Extremely v-shaped and complete lack of nuance in the the treble. I'm considering the DT1990pro but I'm also somewhat hesitant after this experience

[@DonJohn87_YT]

I want the K361 with the DT770 build quality :/ My impression of K361 build quality is kinda like a mcdonalds happy meal toy

[@handlemonium]

I own a pair of KB EAR Larks (has frequency response similar to the Moondrop Blessing), Fiio FA1s, and Jade EA1s. Would you like me to send them in for a review?

[@galactase8578]

Link to that cool looking foam you use in your background?

[@felixbigly]

Thought this was going to be a Phantom post mods video. :-D

[@RC-qc2nz]

As a German headphone lover it would be interesting what you guys think of our company's.

[@almagcope3569]

I thought it was gonna be DT 990 pro, cause i dont find it piercing at all when it came yesterday. I was so confused why they are so many reviews there saying it was so fatiguing ang painful to listen to. But, the mid bass to lower mid range sounds thick though making the overall sound too warm or some may say it is bloated or too thick / unclear/ bass bleeds.

[@ootrip40]

Generally you could say that higher impedance phones deliver better quality, BUT, you need an amplifier with certain specs to drive them properly. The output should have a low enough impedance and plenty of power to drive the high impedence phones. For instance a nice 250 Ohm headphone is wasted on a cellphone. So I'm sorry but your take on low vs high impedance phones is just faulty. Plenty of explanations on that subject in detail here on youTube.

[@DMS3TV]

This video is a few years old, but it’s assumed that most people watching already have an amp.

[@jari121]

I hear myself those headphones just like in your description. I bought them month ago b-stock for 100 euros. I also have dt 990 250ohm, 880 600ohm and Akg 371. The 880 is really good with right kind amplifier. The 371 can easily listen from the phone and it sounds really natural with awesome sub-bass. Dt 770 sounds better for me than the dt 990 and they both require the same amount of power.

[@3therspark63]

I have the 250ohms version and LOVE em... recently got some Focal Celestee as a ultimate endgame that could replace every pair I own.... and the dt770 is still my favorite sound signature! Am now looking for a upgrade to the 770, like dt1770 or Amiron... Anybody knows if those still carry the 770 sound signature but just better?

[@PartyMusic775]

I hear ya. What's funny is when I first put them on I hated them, just like DMS did. Now, without knowing why, I just find myself reaching for them way more often than I should, considering my other supposedly "better" options.

[@artureff3046]

Amiron or 1990 (or Sony MDR-MV1)

[@thepumpkinking13]

I tried the 32, 80, and 250 ohm Dt 770's together a few months ago. One of them sounded more different from the other 2 (can't remember which) but I really couldn't stand listening to any of them because of their tuning. The HD 569 and K361/K371 are probably the only closed backs below $200ish that I've ever enjoyed.

[@guybuddy1]

the 32 and 250ohm versions are suppose to sound near-identical, the 80ohm's the one that sounds a bit different. There's a video somewhere out there explaining the technical differences if you're interested.

[@FabioKasper]

The lack of body can also be heard in the 250 ohm version.

[@metal571]

It's the lower mid/upper bass recession around 300 Hz or so that all the 770 variants seem to share. Takes away body from vocals for sure

[@ugenegood6475]

@@metal571 Not 300Hz, 200Hz. And if you say 300Hz its not a bass region anymore, its midrange, basic of mixing... Low Midrange goes from 250 to 500Hz.

[@InDueTime25]

Please review the Beyerdynamic DT 177X. Thank you for taking the time to review.

[@dannybos7024]

He lreday reviewed the DT1770.

[@tristanretzbach4446]

Should I go to the DT 770 pros from the Tyger 300R

[@elliotandersson8302]

V shaped? Not neutral! The sound profile and frequency response is very flat. What makes you think the bass and treble is boosted? It's deffinetly not, well a little bit on the treble I guess!:) On rtings review, these headphones are on the top list for neutral sound with a 8.3 score. The bass have a 9.3 score, mids are nearly perfect with a score of 9.5, treble on the other hand is a score of 7.5. Now this is review for the 250 ohm, but the 80 ohm should have the same sound profile and all, also the treble is better on the 80 ohms aswell! Detail is awesome, in cold war when playing with these headphones I can hear a guy shooting with a suppressor far away and hear where it's coming from. Also the sound stage is really good to, it's the best soundstage on any closed back design I have tried. Btw: Maybe you didn't burn them in? because in my experience i had to use them for about a month before they sounded right. Or maybe you used a vshaped amplifier? The sound consistency is not as good and the bass can be a bit V shaped with glasses and different pads can affect the sound to! Either way these headphones are not V shaped! Well on the treble yes.

[@DMS3TV]

They’re VERY used and very burned in. They’re also definitely V-shaped. That’s what they’re known for is boosted bass and treble. Measurements back it up. They still sound good, that’s just what’s their sound profile is.

[@elliotandersson8302]

@@DMS3TV Ok? Sry but how do they look flat and are explained very natural sounding on rtings website? And what do you mean with measurements back it up? Btw: Can you send a link to the actual sound profile, so I can see for myself how v shaped they are? Because rtings shows a sound profile that's far from V shaped! And if they are heavily V shaped, then why does rtings rate them so high? (because they only measure how neuteral sounding headphones are.)

[@DMS3TV]

@@elliotandersson8302 R-ting measuring rig compensates for a bass boost because the average consumer like that’s. Harman target curve. Here’s on a measurement rig with a flat target curve: crinacle.com/graphs/headphones/beyerdynamic-dt770-pro/

[@metal571]

Everything wrong with Rtings in one comment. I don't blame you at all, but judging headphones by a graph and some numbers alone Does Not Work and this is what is peddled by many sites and one particular forum I will not name

[@elliotandersson8302]

@@metal571 Yeah your right:) The rtings measurements are confusing, Atleast to me! Just brought a pair of dt880 600 ohm and an amp and dac btw. And these just blows my 770's out of the water! The 880's sound so much cleaner and clearer, the 770's sound muffled in comparison. (And much less open.) Btw: Lots of people say that the 880's sound muddy and are heavy distorted, and when looking at measurements this seem to be correct, but I haven't heard any distortion at all! And I even use the xbass on my zen dac, why is this the case? (Just a bit confusing, do some amps changes the measurements?) I use a lake people g103p and zen dac v2 with xlr to RCA cable. And I do get distortion actually when having my dac volume knob to max and controlling volume with the amp, so I have to to the other way by doing amp max and controlling volume with my dac. (Probably because of the xlr cable though.)

[@ahmedwael3019]

Could you try to review the moondrop starfield?

[@metal571]

I have one of those I could send DMS also if he's interested

[@ahmedwael3019]

@@metal571 that would be great, what are your thoughts on those?

[@metal571]

I think I talked about it on Twitter way way back, but the short of it is, one of the best audio products under $100 I've heard

[@v1Broadcaster]

what headphones would you recommend for reference audio or for mixing? what headphones would you recommend for being out and about?

[@chefsteve8381]

Austrian Audio Hi-X55

[@metal571]

Definitely and absolutely not the HI-X55, Sundara is quite a good reference headphone

[@chefsteve8381]

Ok if you want to get fair dinkum save your money and get stax L700. endgame for life, period ! you will want for no more. I still thank myself every time i hear them.

[@corneliussmith5875]

Question can the btr5 drive these or do you recommend I get the dt770 33 ohm version vs the 80 ohm. Please let me know. My set up is going to be a type c to type c to my ipad then btr5, the wired to headphones. Could you recommend a good headphone for a new audio file. I my price range is at most 300 and I really like vocals.

[@krayozmines]

250 ohms impedence is too much for btr5 i think

[@corneliussmith5875]

@@krayozmines I just bought a 32 ohm Sennheiser hd 599

[@kevinrussell9203]

where'd you get that video backdrop?

[@Ottobawt]

What are good Closed Back options for general/immersive gaming?

[@mbj920]

I’d suggest these for gaming with closed back (if you’re on pc otherwise get the 32 ohm version for console)

[@chemicalcabbage]

Do I need an amp for this or will the scarlett solo be sufficient? Complete audio noob here.

[@zerotactix5739]

Definitely benefits from one. A dongle dac like the GO Link isn't enough. If y ou have something like the Fiio k11 DAC amp or above, probably enough, not sure. But SMSL C200 and Topping DX3 PRO plus will do

[@74neverlast]

I like when ppl revision they former statements and correct themselfes . like the WHO!

[@VillisDileim]

everyone saying if you want to plug into phone or laptop for music listening go for 32 ohms but my question is ..is 32 ohm version good for MUSIC PRODUCTION?

[@Tousgamisa]

Hello mate I want to change headphones I want to hear music and play games I am In between dt770 pro k361 k371 and m40x what can you suggest me ?

[@PartyMusic775]

DT 770 Pro

[@AshenTechDotCom]

i grabbed the 32ohm version for use when out and about, (wanted the shorter cable and didnt want to cut the cable..and being able to drive it with a phone or dap... is nice ;) the Spadger cd990 are openback Brainwavz HM5 and have a very similar sound, i also own k553 pro's that need re-cabled..(puppy got it right next to the 3.5mm... gonna fix them sometime soon..i have a few extra nice 3.5mm solder on tips... ;)