Do Car Speakers Sound Better than Regular Bookshelf Speakers?

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@cheapaudioman
@cheapaudioman Жыл бұрын
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@briantracy1324
@briantracy1324 Жыл бұрын
My parents had a "console" system from the late 1950's that I updated decades ago (only saved the cabinet) ... the speakers behind the non-removable grills were Philco (Ford) 6x9's with wizzer cones...
@tbrown6559
@tbrown6559 Жыл бұрын
What was the name of the formula for enclosures - where can I find it?
@blacksupra001
@blacksupra001 Жыл бұрын
would an external crossover have helped if they were wired up to the crossover directly ? like in a component set up not a coaxial ?! i read alot of reviews saying the coaxials are a bit disappointing, but component speakers tend to get more favorable reviews on sound quality. Probably going to get someone to make me a small stereo using marine grade car components, shopping around for now just sorting though stuff,. loved the video, have a great day !
@jonpatrick66
@jonpatrick66 4 ай бұрын
TBrown I think he said,"Theile parameters ", was the name of that enclosure chart.
@Dana-px9ro
@Dana-px9ro Жыл бұрын
When I was a kid, I made a pair of shoe boxes using 6x9 car speakers and a cheap Lafayette amplifier. at the time I thought it sounded great! 😆
@johnwatrous3058
@johnwatrous3058 Жыл бұрын
We have low expectations as teens!
@gearmeister
@gearmeister Жыл бұрын
Well, as a beginner mechanic back in the 80's, my boss took that 6x9 Jensen & cut the proper hole into an AC-Delco box, mounted the speaker with only sealant & it sounded fantastic compared to the cheap speaker in the small am FM radio! Filled the shop with nice warm sound!
@jesseballard4753
@jesseballard4753 Жыл бұрын
I did the same thing 😂
@jeremycummings8445
@jeremycummings8445 Жыл бұрын
Ofc you thought It sounded great because you put it together yourself😭 you was proud that it worked
@MarcelloTheBandit
@MarcelloTheBandit Жыл бұрын
I did something similar using a size 12 walmart shoe box and some old IBM speakers and a Dell amp. There was ABSOLUTELY nothing under 150Hz, but it was still pretty good for 5 watts. It basically sounded like some cheap early 80's bookshelf speakers. 😂
@alexz1232
@alexz1232 Жыл бұрын
In a car, the door acts as a large baffle. If you want to put car audio drivers in a small enclosure, you need baffle step compensation in the crossover. That is why you are getting all mid and high frequencies with no bass. Car audio speakers actually work pretty well when used as in-wall speakers, with a little EQ from an AV receiver.
@ericperry72
@ericperry72 Жыл бұрын
Was gonna say this. Almost all car speakers have a qts over .50.
@MrViper7121
@MrViper7121 Жыл бұрын
Would polyfil do the trick?
@coolmonkey5269
@coolmonkey5269 11 ай бұрын
will it sound good in open air
@coolmonkey5269
@coolmonkey5269 11 ай бұрын
the presenter shud hv used a better component speaker with seprte mid range and tweeter. it wud sound better
@nabman_
@nabman_ Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this 'experiment'. Reminds me of my first system I rigged when I was a teen. Two 6x9 2-way Alpine car speakers and a Blaupunkt car radio cassette player powered by a 12V 5A power adapter. All mounted in a plywood enclosure I made (like giant boombox). Hardest part was to make oval cutouts with the tools I had. Sounded bad but not awful. It was fun. Listened to it for few months then the cassette player died. Used the speakers to 'upgrade' my father's Oldsmobile. 😀
@Sylvan_dB
@Sylvan_dB Жыл бұрын
You just confirmed my teenage experience. Back when I was 12 years old I salvaged a flood damaged pioneer receiver. Cleaned out the mud. Cleaning the controls and tuning cap was fun. Replaced internal fuses and it worked. So I replaced the front glass (broken when it fell during the flood) and used it in my bedroom until I left home. My first speakers were cheap car speakers from a swap meet then slightly better car speakers and finally a pair of mid-tier large Radio Shack bookshelf speakers on A and B was a pair of small Radio Shack realistic minimus 7's (at the time I couldn't decide which were better...).
@markrosado8
@markrosado8 Жыл бұрын
Cool story! Back in the mid 80s when I was 15, I rescued a 70s pioneer receiver from a dumpster. Just needed 2 internal fuses. I made my own RadioShack speakers that probably didn't sound very good but I was just so happy with myself.
@davidhoward4685
@davidhoward4685 Жыл бұрын
I used pioneer components in custom enclosures for my entire surround sound system and it sounded great.
@mikecampbell5856
@mikecampbell5856 Жыл бұрын
Back in the early 80s I had big home speakers in the back of a couple of hatchbacks. They sounded great.
@adaboy4z
@adaboy4z Жыл бұрын
My friends big brother hooked up two house speakers in his station wagon in the late 80s. It was hilarious but he had some bass.
@jefflock7635
@jefflock7635 Жыл бұрын
In the mid-80’s I had a couple of mid 70’s era wooden heavy duty 12” 3-way home audio speakers that I was laying in the hatch of a 1980 Chevette that I could pull out of the hatch back and set on the ground so we could listen to music at the park while playing hackey sack, throwing frisbees, or while partying by the river, lol. They sounded great from what I remember.
@bossunimportantstuff
@bossunimportantstuff Жыл бұрын
The best sounding Hi-Fi setup I have heard uses three-way 6x9 car speakers with no baffles (as in just the speaker) along with a subwoofer. Place the speakers at ear height 2 feet from the wall and EQ the amp or source to linearize the frequency response. The sound stage and voicing from this no baffle set up when dialed in correctly is amazing. The reflected sounds from the back of the speaker cones arrives several milliseconds later at the listening position due to phase and distance which makes the sound lush and dimensional. Also, there is an Atmos like effect going on due to the rear of the speaker cone radiating sound in all directions, Walsh style. Again, I say that the best sounding Hi-Fi setup I have heard uses three-way 6x9 car speakers with no baffles along with a subwoofer. Probably the closest I have heard that compares are a pair of Devialet Phantoms. Most amps probably do not have enough EQ to pull this off as up to 30 dB of adjustment is needed to line up everything. Search for "Nvarcher Bluetooth 5.0 DSP Audio Amplifier" on ali exp. This 20$ DSP module has enough adjustment copiabilities. I told you all you need to know so if you don't act, then you will be doomed to an eternal sub optimal listening experience.
@RacerXGTO
@RacerXGTO 6 ай бұрын
I was able to do it with four 6x9's and two cabinets. Angled baffle to eliminate reflected noise, pure sound only. Squeezed every Hz of bass out of the 6x9's using a transmission line box. These things would rival a Polk system. The speakers are in my videos.
@DismasM
@DismasM Жыл бұрын
Takes me back. My first home 'stereo' was the already classic Craig snorkel car 8-track player and two Jensen Traxial car speakers on a bookshelf hooked up to a power converter. I was 14, it was 1975
@mikeables
@mikeables Жыл бұрын
No need to say how old you were or what year it was. ha ha Mine was Pioneer triaxles connected to a Kenwood KR2600 receiver. In 1977
@DismasM
@DismasM Жыл бұрын
@@mikeables mine was an inauspicious start to this goofy hobby
@notchbak
@notchbak Жыл бұрын
Dayton actually makes a really nice assortment of speakers. Prices for a lot of budgets and applications. I've always been really pleased with them.
@christopherlewis1847
@christopherlewis1847 Жыл бұрын
Bought a set of their 6-1/2" 2 way outdoor speakers for a friend. They sound great
@NosEL34
@NosEL34 Жыл бұрын
Fun stuff...reminds me of when I was in high school. I mix matched speakers and enclosures all the time. I had a buddy that took out the back seats in his old car and set up 2 12inch home stereo speaker enclosures lol. We were jobless and just wanted stereo. Late 80's were a fun time.
@Spaniard47
@Spaniard47 Жыл бұрын
Randy, you could make a LOT of content doing stuff like this. I've generally considered car audio drivers to be overpriced due to markup, but then again I've done some installs in vehicles where the final result blew me away for the price. I'm currently in the middle of the fence between using the easy, accepted way of doing car audio (Crutchfield / premade packs), and doing it all custom, buying raw parts from parts express (and sometimes 3d printing vehicle specific adapters and pods) and making something super unique, but of course that comes with a much bigger possibility of catastrophic failure.
@spandel100
@spandel100 Жыл бұрын
What about putting home bookshelves into a car.That might sound great.
@Spaniard47
@Spaniard47 Жыл бұрын
@@spandel100 I'm sure it would sound awesome. The issue would be fitment lol, unless you just mean the drivers.
@spandel100
@spandel100 Жыл бұрын
@@Spaniard47 Place them lying on their sides behind the rear seats,on top of the backboard(if you have one).👍
@rosswarren436
@rosswarren436 Жыл бұрын
I always wondered how the market is for 3rd party head units to replace factory ones these days. Back in the 1970s, 80s, and 90s, replacing the "radio" wasn't hard, but today everything seems so integrated with lots of complicated wire harnesses some of which might control other functions, I wonder if many people mess with them other than just maybe upgrading the speakers. Of course Crutchfield is still in business, so maybe I'm underestimating that market today.
@Spaniard47
@Spaniard47 Жыл бұрын
@@rosswarren436 that's a great point, and a big reason I'm worried for the future of car audio. Before 2015 or so, most cars had standalone head units that could be removed and replaced with a couple hours and less than ~$50 worth of brackets and harnesses. Now, the electronics systems are so interconnected that there often isn't really a head unit to remove; the entire car is one huge conglomeration of systems. Pair that with the baffling trend of adding as many drivers as possible to the car (since more = better to the average consumer), and you have many vehicles that are basically non-upgradable. That is unless you go the route of doing it fully custom: buying unique raw parts, fabricating your own speaker locations, running all of your own cables, everything. It's an interesting conundrum.
@slimjim1104
@slimjim1104 Жыл бұрын
When I was into car audio I ran components in enclosures. Custom kick panels up front. Makes a world of difference.
@madlad_don2387
@madlad_don2387 Жыл бұрын
so im kinda a cheap person and wanted some kind of home audio for my setup and ended up having 2 5.25 4 way car speakers and 2 4x6 car speakers along with an old Sony "theater" system subwoofer. i already know that its not gonna sound like an actual system that has been tuned properly but for just how little it cost me the sound is great and full. i cant wait to one day have a proper set up tho but for now I'm broke but jammin.
@toddt5562
@toddt5562 Жыл бұрын
Back in the early '80s I actually took home audio speaker components and installed them in my '77 Camaro Z28 door panels. Actually had to use a cutting torch to make holes in the door since there were no factory speakers there 😂... Don't remember exactly what I had to power them, but I think it was one of those awful Jet Sound under dash EQ/power amps 😂. Sounded pretty good for 1982 listening to Iron Maiden lol.
@rusowen1
@rusowen1 Жыл бұрын
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@jeffneedstogivejakeaturnon1083
@jeffneedstogivejakeaturnon1083 Жыл бұрын
Maiden makes everything better.
@Protometal66
@Protometal66 Жыл бұрын
Hooked up an Allegro home speaker in my Dodge Colt back in 1989. Took up pretty much the majority of the back seat. Sounded great to my 21 year old ears. . I also listened to a lot of hard rock and metal at the time and that system rocked. Lol
@cw824
@cw824 Жыл бұрын
You should have just run the hookup wire through the port to the speaker. No X-over removal needed.
@mfgxl
@mfgxl Жыл бұрын
It was a great idea. Saved many people from wasting their time trying this. Thank you Randy!
@franciscoortiz6980
@franciscoortiz6980 Жыл бұрын
LOVE THIS... takes me back to college days. To be honest... GOOD car speakers are more expensive than many home speakers add cost of cabinet, they no longer make financial sense. But yes... in my young days i had more time than money built a decent pair using old 6x9s and left over particle board.
@hardball107
@hardball107 Жыл бұрын
I had a set of Jensen Triax 6x9'd left over from a job so I built a set of scaled down Klipsch Cornwall cabinets out of some scrap 3/4" marine plywood I had on hand. Banana jacks in the rear and sprayed flat black I plugged them into a Sonic Impact 10w amp with a BT adaptor and OMG, they sounded like a set of Altec Lancing studio monitors. I then hooked them up to my old Sherwood 9910 receiver and they really came to life. What a treat, bright, encompassing and a full bodied sound they were a joy to listen to. I still use them for an outdoor projection screen and they sound great and are tough as nails. Add a port to you cabinets, it will make all the difference.
@mbstxb7579
@mbstxb7579 Жыл бұрын
I Love messing with speakers and enclosures, swapping things around just to see what works. Cool vid. BTW I got my Scss-5's in today open box from Amazon paid $68, they were flawless not a scratch on them. Paired them with Ayima a08.
@carloscolon5434
@carloscolon5434 Жыл бұрын
Nice video and great change of pace with a fun twist. Great to see results after the recent survey. Keep being you and having fun with the channel and having us along for the ride.
@cheapaudioman
@cheapaudioman Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!
@dlfrestoration
@dlfrestoration Жыл бұрын
Try this with a focal k2 power set of splits they so far are the best sounding car speakers I have uses
@markooch2112
@markooch2112 Жыл бұрын
Back in the late 80's I had a pair of fairy cheep Audiovox 6X9 tri axle speakers. I put them in a old 2-way speaker enclosure. I did roughly the same as you, I didn't use the crossover. But what I did was get new terminals for the back. also cut out the original speaker baffle. Put a new piece of wood in for the baffle and I also had to counter sink the opening to get a flush mount for the speakers. The wood was pressboard like the rest of the enclosure. It cost me like $20 or $25 for the wood and terminals. I was able to use the 6X9 grills also. For what it's worth, they sounded pretty damn good and didn't cost me much to do the mod.
@IKnewMickey
@IKnewMickey Жыл бұрын
If you left the Dayton speaker intact and allowed the original woofer to be a passive radiator then made a separate opening for the car speaker you'd have success. Did this years ago with an old pair of home speakers. Made a crude 6x9 opening on top of the home speakers for some Jensen car speakers. Worked excellent !! Whiskey may have had something to do with my assessment of excellent tho.
@plektosgaming
@plektosgaming Жыл бұрын
This is a trick that almost all coaxial towers use. Larger box, passive radiator, great results.
@UberGrokAudio
@UberGrokAudio Жыл бұрын
Glad to see this. While not a car speaker I have thought about using the Emotiva Vaulta In-Ceiling to make a bookshelf speaker. Let's see that video.
@mtmatutum
@mtmatutum 6 ай бұрын
I had small bookshelf speakers that had the woofer (4-inch) and tweeters die on me. Like you, I substituted new 2-way German brand co-axial car speakers that I had on hand in place of the woofer. They don’t sound great but I use them as workshop speakers and they do a decent job.
@theankh6532
@theankh6532 Жыл бұрын
Interesting. I've been curious about a build like this with Emotiva's ceiling speakers. I don't know why I never thought of car speakers. Thanks for the build!
@plektosgaming
@plektosgaming Жыл бұрын
I had some 6.5 inch 2 way Kenwoods (XR-1701) that sound amazing in my car. Most people would probably shy away at $150 for a pair to put in a box (twice what his costs), but the results would probably be fantastic. Mind you, the speakers in a car typically use the inside of the dash or door compartments as a "box", so you need to err on the side of larger is better. Most car doors are on the order of several cubic feet inside. Those numbers you plug into a program for speaker designs are the minimum recommended box size as well. This is why a 5 or 6 inch speaker in a tower or large box generally sounds a little better. All of that said, don't believe the specs. They all fall off a cliff at about 100hz and a sub is a massive help. He noticed this as well - there was no bass. They are designed such that the rear speakers or sub handles all of the low frequencies.
@wohop3n1
@wohop3n1 Жыл бұрын
This is hilarious. I love it. This is something that I would tinker around with when I was in high school. In fact, I did this exact same thing as well as in reverse, putting some home speaker things in my car. This brings back memories.
@justinsixx90
@justinsixx90 Жыл бұрын
I snipped the wire that had a cap that went to the tweeters on a set of 6.5 kicker coaxs for this purpose and they rocked for woofers and lows mids.
@kevinpatrickmacnutt
@kevinpatrickmacnutt Жыл бұрын
I have a feeling you knew the results making this video and did it as a service saving others time to do such a thing. I did it years ago and got basically the result you did.
@peterbaugh51
@peterbaugh51 Жыл бұрын
I get better bass from my car speakers when I use Sith Audio Bass Enhancer Wipes. They clean, shine and protect all my speakers! Get some today! Great video CAM :-)
@joelcarson4602
@joelcarson4602 Жыл бұрын
Exact opposite of car speakers in existing cabinets here. In the mid 1970s I made an MDF "plank" with 2 circular cutouts for 8" home speakers that fit exactly over the small cargo space behind the back seat of my 1968 VW Beetle. Had an 8-track with FM (8-track was broken, I hated 8-track) that had a fairly powerful amp in it. Very loud with lots of bass in that small car. The 8" drivers had a treated cloth surround, large magnets and "whizzer" cones to try to make them "Full Range Speakers". No Science involved, just what I could cobble together. Was fun.
@peteyification
@peteyification Жыл бұрын
Did you read my mind? I was just asking myself this question yesterday... A coaxial car speaker will basically turn any speaker into a KEF, right?😄
@abdullahdanze2061
@abdullahdanze2061 Жыл бұрын
Depends on how you tune it.
@stephennarayan
@stephennarayan Жыл бұрын
Have you seen the build quality of a KEF driver?
@abdullahdanze2061
@abdullahdanze2061 Жыл бұрын
@@stephennarayan Means nothing. Car stereo drivers are better quality.
@peteyification
@peteyification Жыл бұрын
@@stephennarayan that's the joke
@madhukark8133
@madhukark8133 Жыл бұрын
Me cheap-audioman thought so too🤣🤣👍👍, they sound like crap, stay away
@eaches
@eaches Жыл бұрын
Whaaaaat? No Kraco power booster? All the rage in our ghetto DIY car stereo setups in the '80s.
@lilshag347productionsii6
@lilshag347productionsii6 Жыл бұрын
I took a pair of vintage 1970s Capehart speakers from a cheap stereo system gutted the original wiring and i took out the original 5 inch speakers and replaced them with some cheap scosche 5.25 4 way speakers from walmart along with some cheap car tweeters. Wired them into the speakers and they sound excellent. I use them for my mid and high speakers along with a pair of Fisher STV-891N 15 inch speakers from 1986 which i use as my subs. I run them off of a Kenwood KR-V7060 AV receiver which has dolby pro logic.
@mattmastrandrea3965
@mattmastrandrea3965 Жыл бұрын
My parents still have a pair of 6" oval 3-way car speakers mounted high in the wall in their bedroom. They sound great!
@khalilveronessi4819
@khalilveronessi4819 Жыл бұрын
i made with my father a homemade bluetooth speaker with two 6x5 speakers from B.buster 4 way speakers (two super twitters, one twetter/mid, an the woofer), amplified with a TPA 3116 D2 class D amplifier, with bluetooth on board. Actually sounds amazing, i cant believe that the sound it's very clear and detailed. the box it's from wood handmade too, with air vents for the speakers.
@mikeschlup5279
@mikeschlup5279 Жыл бұрын
I have a pair of MB QUART's from the late 90's...my 55 watt NAD 3155 give them a run and sound good...need my 8 inch subwoofer in the equation next...
@SkaffenUK
@SkaffenUK Жыл бұрын
One of those things I'd always wondered about, thanks for taking one for the team!
@pjo1964
@pjo1964 Жыл бұрын
I used a car subwoofer in a home sub box for years and it sounded great. They make high end car speakers.
@ccmaster86
@ccmaster86 Жыл бұрын
I used a pair of Pioneer 4x6" 3-Ways for a center channel for a looong time mounted just above the TV. Imaging was great for voices which I pay the most attention to. Edit: They were in a slightly large mdf poly filled box, no porting.
@madhukark8133
@madhukark8133 Жыл бұрын
Hey I did too
@zardoz2627
@zardoz2627 Жыл бұрын
Above the TV though? Seems like it would be off axis somehow
@Spaniard47
@Spaniard47 Жыл бұрын
@@zardoz2627 if your tv is at the proper height it's not much (if at all) different than having it below.
@rickc2222
@rickc2222 Жыл бұрын
When I was younger and poorer, i made rear surrounds using some Radio shack ancient 4" 2 way speakers - built a pair of small sealed enclosures for it and it served me well for quite some time - good clarity on mids is great for surrounds. but of course for music they were lacking bass of course and rather shrill/shouty on the high end with the cheap paper tweeter. but there are exceptions. Paul Carmody made a 6.5" bookshelf using a car audio woofer and he was blown away by the performance, and highly recommended it - but of course you still have to design a crossover in that case.
@theoracleprodigy
@theoracleprodigy Жыл бұрын
I had a pair of car speakers in a home made box in college. Didn't have a lot of money then. They worked and that's about all I could say about them. Even used a car amp for them and had a converter all hooked up to a disk man.
@35RSkyline
@35RSkyline Жыл бұрын
This is a cool idea. I'm a klipsch man myself. Have a 7.2 surround sound system from them and it is nuts! Clean all the to full volume and enough to rattle the gutters on the house lol
@subarumoses
@subarumoses Жыл бұрын
I did Infact enjoy hanging out with you for the experiment. It was worth recording sir. I love speaker experiments.
@ProfessorOzone
@ProfessorOzone 2 ай бұрын
I made an outdoor movie theater from spare stuff I had around the house. I used car speakers and a car amplifier for the sound and it's the best part of the whole set up. I also used some old car speakers in my garage for a bluetooth setup and they sound pretty good. . . but I am comparing that to a small stand alone bluetooth speaker. I think you could also have purchased a better car speaker for the enclosure. Give it another try.
@jeffjefferson7384
@jeffjefferson7384 Жыл бұрын
''Who wants to have some FUN today?'' *Wields chainsaw covered in guts*
@olds97lss
@olds97lss Жыл бұрын
The last car speakers I fought with were Polk Audio 6x9 3 ways. Can't remember the model... 125W peak I think. I had a kenwood head unit and found out pretty quickly I needed an amp to drive them... Keep in mind, I was driving a 2006 mercury grand marquis at the time... but I like loud clean sounding metal. In the store displays, the PA's had a really nice sound for what I played. I installed the speakers with stock wiring and the HU only and it sounded ok, but would overheat and shut down after not that long at a higher volume... got a kenwood 4x80W amp, had it installed along with trunk to speaker wiring (14awg I think, 4AWG for power)... overheated after about 30 minutes into my first commute to work (commute was an hour). Got a massive audio 4x100W amp... made it 45 minutes. Bought an old school RF 800a4 amp (4x100w RMS) off ebay, luckily it actually worked and had the end caps still. Wow... those 6x9's would POUND! Loud enough to hurt my ears. Very crisp sound! Took forever to get the EQ set right, but it was worth it. I moved that system from one grand marquis to another when I got another (I had 3 of them in a row) until they stopped making them. Sold the car, but all I kept was the amp. Didn't feel like ripping open the doors again and messing with the speakers... they served their purpose for me for 8 years of abuse. Anyway, probably a better caliber of car speaker would work in the house and may have to get creative with the EQ to get them to sound right. I typed all that just to say, it might take more effort than it's worth. lol!
@jezlucas3878
@jezlucas3878 7 ай бұрын
I've used hifi speakers in cars , in the wooden enclosure as well . Seemed fine the other way round
@SpeakerKevin
@SpeakerKevin Жыл бұрын
The original Dayton speaker has a much heavier cone which increases bass response at the expense of efficiency. The large magnet helps bring it back some, but will be no where near the efficiency of a car speaker. Car speakers are designed on totally different principles. That's why you can't just throw one in an enclosure. Generally car speakers have a lighter cone, a higher Q(weaker magnet), and a stiffer suspension to mimic being mounted in an enclosure. Considering these parameters, a larger, ported enclosure would be optimal.
@paw45
@paw45 Жыл бұрын
I've used my old Alpine type R subs as garage speakers. They certainly get the job done. Peerless makes some decent drivers for DIY projects.
@Feliciano12v
@Feliciano12v Жыл бұрын
Good idea. I’ve thought of this, but with a JL W6 subwoofer since good home audio subwoofers are expensive.
@paulconley188
@paulconley188 Жыл бұрын
I've done that for my garage, but an open baffle. They sounded great.
@donlew8222
@donlew8222 Жыл бұрын
Those factory replacements are bottom end speakers at around $30 each and distort easily. Of course the sound is shallow and weak, no matter the application. However, the last Fosgates I purchased were about $350 and included actual crossovers. They sounded VASTLY different. Very nice. But these better built car speakers are still in need of a subwoofer. No surprise with the outcome here. I once did the same thing with Pioneers best four-ways in some sealed enclosures. Again, with a sub, I thought they sounded really good and hung 4 of these up in the corners of my living room. Call me crazy and lazy... I really did enjoy them! 👋
@LocoLifeEntertainment
@LocoLifeEntertainment Жыл бұрын
That's crazy! I literally just started thinking about this & it popped up
@njm1971nyc
@njm1971nyc Жыл бұрын
My main speakers, AR Phantom 8.3 (probably the last decent gear that AR made, before they went all "Recoton" - literally and figuratively), use "Illusion" bass drivers, typically used for car audio. They're very shallow, with the magnet assembly in front of the cone. They sound good to me!
@pokehunter7078
@pokehunter7078 Жыл бұрын
I went the opposite route. I put Peerless speaker drivers into my car driven by an Alpine amp. Not only is it cheaper than a pair of 3 way split car system, but also sounds really good.
@pokehunter7078
@pokehunter7078 Жыл бұрын
@Cheapaudioman....... How am I suppose get it?
@ramondelgado6778
@ramondelgado6778 Жыл бұрын
Awesome review!!! That was really fun and something I’ve wanted to do for a long while now! Thank you for confirming this would be more involved and technical than just a driver swap!!! Loved it! Thank you Randy!!!!
@TheAnxiousAardvark
@TheAnxiousAardvark Жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this "Randy the Mad Scientist" episode. Tried a similar experiment with cheaper components. End result were a set of squeakers, not speakers. Left them behind when one of the guys in the group house complained I was taking the only stereo when I moved out. :D
@Chris-yq7xv
@Chris-yq7xv Жыл бұрын
Randy, this is what makes your channel not only different but enjoyable to watch. Plus, a lot of people on jumping on to your channel by it’s subscriber’s number. You were celebrating 100k just a short while ago and now at 150+ shows your content is what’s bringing people on board. Chris
@danielh12345
@danielh12345 Жыл бұрын
This was fun, thanks for spending the time and effort!
@johndoe-pi3cp
@johndoe-pi3cp Жыл бұрын
We did the other way in the 80’s. My brother put bookshelf speakers in the car in the back window. It rocked
@blackrose006
@blackrose006 Жыл бұрын
Car speakers are made for cars for a reason! They're made to work with the car coupé where a lot of the midrange and treble will disappear and the bass will get some help, they also need to be able to take a huge temperature range and moisture, therefore it's not so surprising that a car speaker in that price range will not perform as the home competitor. Move up a bit in price and that will change, still, different goal, different built.
@chuckmaddison2924
@chuckmaddison2924 Жыл бұрын
I did this about 20 years ago with a homemade cabinet . The bass was lacking but the speaker was a very small and narrow oval from Alpine.
@AlarusOne
@AlarusOne Жыл бұрын
No matter the sound. I loved going on this journey with you! Fun stuff. :)
@robertkirk5009
@robertkirk5009 Жыл бұрын
I have done something similar to this, I used pyramid 8 inch woofers with 50 ounce magnets to replace the woofers in Bose 301s.I thought I made a big mistake as they sounded terrible, but the more I play them the better they get. Now they sound much better than the original Bose.
@hardtymz2517
@hardtymz2517 Жыл бұрын
That’s because Dollar General store speakers are an Upgrade to Bose.
@vulcangunner58
@vulcangunner58 Жыл бұрын
I did the same with GW poly woofers....they too, at first sounded weak. After a decent break-in, they sound powerful and clean! BTW how about the pathetic little square magnets on the Bose woofers?...maybe 8 oz. at best!
@earlyculyer4103
@earlyculyer4103 Жыл бұрын
I had some 3way Polk audio in my car they was so loud and clean sounding I always wanted to try this.
@rodirish7787
@rodirish7787 Жыл бұрын
so glad you did a video on this there is so much money to be saved in using your old high end car audio in the house good on you bud before i purchased a few store bought subwoofers i built some myself i used 4 high end 4ohm subwoofers in 8 ohms, 2 per cabinet and used an old 140 watt x2 home theatre receiver to power them cost me $60 for the MDF i am also thinking about using a couple sets of high end component sets as hight speakers they have real beryllium tweeters
@kurtburkhardt9364
@kurtburkhardt9364 Жыл бұрын
I had some Infinity 6 1/2 triaxials with Emit tweeters in my Mustang. I removed them and made some boxes for them. They actually sounded pretty good. I knew they wouldn't have very deep bass. However with some bass boost and a bit of eq they sounded much better. I had them in my garage for a few years and sold them to a friend who put the boxes with a sub into his Jeep.
@tomkershaw4384
@tomkershaw4384 Жыл бұрын
I once had an old Sony Trinitron TV that finally died and rather than try to carry this monster to the dumpster I decided to dismantle and take it out in pieces. It had two 2.75" full range drivers and the magnets were REALLY heavy so I put them in an old pair of cheap Kenwood enclosures that had blown speakers and they sounded pretty good!
@namesurname4666
@namesurname4666 Жыл бұрын
i removed the speakers from a chinese 32 inch tv since they sound terrible anyway, they were extremely small and even advertised as "harman kardon" in some firmware but i would also say that the tv had a wrong speaker size setting in the service menu that made it sound worse than what it already is
@teddbobb4672
@teddbobb4672 Жыл бұрын
I actually built speakers for my work bench using Ford OEM Door Speakers, I built the cabinet with 3/4” plywood and estimated its size by the volume of the door cavity, I sealed the box with RTV, I was always impressed with sound of these speakers for what they were, they had a good bass response. You need those resonant frequencies, the cabinet can be as important, if not more important than the speakers by themselves.
@eddylorenzo5033
@eddylorenzo5033 Жыл бұрын
I use to have 2 15 pioneers with mids and tweeter house speakers also 2 pioneer 6by9 boy did it sound clean and nice
@geraldmcmullon2465
@geraldmcmullon2465 Жыл бұрын
I wired in a pair of Visonik David 5000 speakers on the rear shelf of my car and swapped the mono radio for a Blupunkt SM 108 radio. When I sold the car I put in the original radio and swapped the radio cassette in my next car for the Blaupunkt. Blupunkt radios have a DIN input output socket on the back and I wired in an adapter from Uher to use switch playback and record to a Uher CR240 portable cassette deck. It all worked nicely but the Uher lacked amount point and sat on the floor of the passenger compartment. I could record radio programmes, something car radio cassettes did not do. I did try to wire the Blaupunkt to a mains to cigar socket box but the box has a very noisy fan and I couldn't get the radio to pick up signal with either a telescopic aerial or the one I used with my FM hi-fi. There must be a way as car accessory shops have ICE systems on demonstration. In spite of the high price of Blupunkt equipment I would expect a cheap hi-fi receiver to out perform it My current car has a Meridian 350 Watt 17 speakers surround sound system. But far off the top levels it distorts. Not really a problem as the only way to listen that loud is with the door shut and from a cross the street. DABs is useless over winter as the rear screen heater cuts off the signal and the FM is far worse than any previous car (interference and loosing signal - because there is no decent aerial). Years ago an Italian company made a system where you could remove the module from the car and mount it in a stand to use at home wired up to stereo speakers.
@stanleyville
@stanleyville Жыл бұрын
I bought two cyber acoustics powered subwoofer for computers from a thrift shop, removed the subwoofer and used the enclosure for cerwin vega 3-way 6.5" coaxial removed some of the wood to enlarge the opening to get the speaker to fit, I left the power amp inside, sounds a lot better than my previous bookshelf speakers
@heathenthatheretic5960
@heathenthatheretic5960 Жыл бұрын
I've always used car speakers for my home entertainment center. A few 12' subs and so on. Believe me, I had it banging in there
@adaboy4z
@adaboy4z Жыл бұрын
I hooked up two Infinty Kappa 6x9s and a Kenwood 12 to a home stereo back in the early 90s. Lol It worked
@robmyers4512
@robmyers4512 Жыл бұрын
I did this once with JL split speakers worked ok on the internal crossover worked really well with the JL crossover that came with the car speakers... I wouldn't do it with a combination car speaker best to build a custom cabinet
@cthulhista4052
@cthulhista4052 Жыл бұрын
I live in Brazil, home audio gear is not a great market over here, in terms of variety. The officialy aviable options tends to be pretty expensive. Car audio, in the other hand, is a huge market and by far the most affordable option for who wants a decent music experience. Bookshelf speakers and audio systems made that way are pretty popular among the general public.
@Kevin_Carlson
@Kevin_Carlson Жыл бұрын
It's the same way here in Ecuador.
@guilhermev3545
@guilhermev3545 Жыл бұрын
In fact, and unfortunatelly, there is almost zero interest in bookshelf cabinets at all, even less in the diy, made with car speakers here. Nobody really does it. Most of the brazilians doesn't even know what a bookshelf speaker cabinet is. What we have is lousy cabinets made with car speakers, yes, but for "entertaining" purposes only (usually barbecues, in wich they play extremely crappy music), not for hi-fi/hi-res or home theater applications. But I see your point. I myself made some cabinets with car audio speakers and you can get great results with it.
@Fergutor
@Fergutor Жыл бұрын
@@guilhermev3545 I thought Edifier, Microlab and other similar brands got to Brazil. I mean if there's not interest (here in Argentina there's barely..or rather was an interest) at least there is the option for the few ones who has that interest.
@dam4274
@dam4274 Жыл бұрын
I plan on building a pair of TL boxes with some Focal speakers from Crutchfield.
@jefflock7635
@jefflock7635 Жыл бұрын
I’ve often wondered how the Hertz Mille Legend MLK 1650.3’s that are in my Truck would compare to any of my home audio speakers. The Hertz Mille Legends are components and sound amazing in my truck. Much higher quality (and cost) than the Rockford’s. Thanks for the video, it was a fun experiment.
@rogerwalter2500
@rogerwalter2500 Жыл бұрын
I have an old 2002 Kenwood KFC 7171C 7X10" oval speakers , 92db installed in a large cabinet. They are stil going strong and sound awesome than my wharfedale 8.2
@terrywilliams7827
@terrywilliams7827 Жыл бұрын
Make your own box. I did Jensen 4 way car speakers 35 years ago, sounded really good. Used them for years. Made my own sealed boxes
@Illegallycopyrighted
@Illegallycopyrighted Жыл бұрын
Man I had a buddy when I was in high school who built his home set up all out of car stereo equipment. He would get noise complaints from people down the block, and had a hard time even playing music because his CD player would skip so bad due to all the bass. He had two towers with all the component speakers in it. I would love to have known how the hell he did that, as thumping and rumbling a small car is definitely a different task then doing it to a living room. I’m sure my ears weren’t as well adjusted as they are now, but a video about using a decommissioned amazing car stereo in your home would be fun. Especially the bass aspect.
@GeorgeGearLoose
@GeorgeGearLoose Жыл бұрын
Hey, love your videos! Thanks. Tried to make an open baffle midbass arrays, each with 4 pcs of peerles 6,5" paper cones. Sounded boring and peaky. Then tried with 4 (8) cheap midbass door speakers from reckhorn. That sounded just amazing!! Now with kick in the bass and smooth midrange. I believe that it is due to the t/s parameters. Doors may have somewhat same properties as open baffles.. or vice versa. Also, I tried what you did in this video, some time ago. But in sealed altec Lansing bookshelves, and using the existing crossover, and tweeter. No bass either. The rest was ok. Then added a scanspeak 4" acoustic valve. That worked much better! They just needed less resistance.
@lcwin1
@lcwin1 Жыл бұрын
You should try testing with a reasonable good car speaker. Check out the Alpine DDL range . Get a used one and see .I tested and use them and its very good despite the so so review it gets.
@necavenue
@necavenue Жыл бұрын
I think you should try component drivers with separate crossovers instead of a cheap coaxial with inline filter. You need a "long throw" woofer to get decent bass out of small drivers made for automotive applications. Also those small coaxial speakers are designed to have a shallow mounting depth for fitment into doors. They don't have the luxury of using big magnets with a long throw design.
@hariharanselvaganapathy9832
@hariharanselvaganapathy9832 Жыл бұрын
I also did the same used 2 pairs of JBL csx-697 6*9 oval speakers (totally 4) with 25L enclosure paired with one Toyota stock car audio player for use at home. For nearby listening it sounded somewhat satisfying (bass was low, mid were loud, highs weren't good in terms of directivity) and for distant listening horrible. In the end moral: Don't expect big in terms of SQL and SPL in car audio speakers if they are installed in home.
@feeterican
@feeterican Жыл бұрын
Back when I built my Home Speaker Cabinets in High School back in '92 I first used realistic speakers cause that's what I could afford at the time. But once I had the money a couple years later I installed Rockford Fosgate car speakers and damn did it sound good. I used Rockford 12" subs (in both cabinets) and then a 4" component set for the mids and tweets. At the time my Receiver had a 4 - 8 ohm switch so it wasn't an issue with the 4 ohm speakers.
@P-J-W-777
@P-J-W-777 9 ай бұрын
I’d make home audio with Focal or Morel component speakers and use an active DSP and would be willing to bet they sound really really good.
@msh6865
@msh6865 Жыл бұрын
In a more so oriented auto environment a two or three way active crossover would be applied that would make the need for Bass from the RF unnecessary anyway. Cabin gain from the component subwoofer in such a system would give you all the bass you would want. EQ would help immensely as well. I've heard some auto systems that rival most home based setups.
@ner0718
@ner0718 Жыл бұрын
You can also park a car in your living room and use it as a speaker. Great Video as allways
@m3rk201
@m3rk201 Жыл бұрын
Ran for fun skar tx 6.5 component woofers on ascend accustic speakers and sounded pretty dam good. Bass was great but the orginal audax driver had better midrange for sure but after while you get used to new woofer. Very impressive.
@woopeedyscoop1858
@woopeedyscoop1858 Жыл бұрын
i made 'mix cubes' from car audio one way drivers. cealed box, small ones, no crossover. works great, my mixes got leveled up a bit, and the thing costed me like 10-15 bux. while my focal solo 6 be (pro monitors) cost about couple grand. i certainly will do more, it def works. just select better drivers, i prolly wouldnt go with that 3-way thing, i`d just selected 3 separate drivers for my liking
@spagsketti
@spagsketti Жыл бұрын
I use car audio subwoofers all the time in my home. I usually get a cheaper sub for the home because they sound great with home audio stuff. I just put together a 12 inch sub with a old built in amp from a powered subwoofer that had two tired 6 inch subs That+ was distorting and clipping out. It rocks out.
@crusoerob8550
@crusoerob8550 Жыл бұрын
I built tower speakers for my home stereo using Blaupunkt three way car speakers and crossover circuit. It was as good as the polkaudio towers i have now. I sold the dii speakers to somebody who loved them even more.
@embiggens1
@embiggens1 Жыл бұрын
I was a huge car audio guy back in the day, and we used to do the opposite - put home speakers in the car. We'd buy drivers from Dayton, Tangband, etc and run them active. You might have more luck with a component speaker set in a bookshelf cabinet.
@AmmoDude
@AmmoDude Жыл бұрын
Fun to watch you play with the speaker. There is (evidently) so much you do not know about speakers, enclosures and crossovers. Suffice to say, Keff has (and is) making a fortune off using a full range speaker (in essence, a car speaker) mounted in an enclosure. Car speakers are designed to be mounted on just an open baffle, the front of the speaker separated by an adjacent plane from the rear of the speaker (it separates air pressure effect on the cone of the speaker). Most speakers will work mounted on a baffle, just need the xover adjusted to get the right sound. You probably could have gotten a better bass response by stuffing the enclosure full of polyfill, which would have effectively increased the volume of the enclosure and given a better bass response. On the crossover, you want all air core not iron core inductors and use poly or film caps for high frequency filters, however you can get away with using the cheaper electrolytic capacitor to filter out the highs on the woofer side of the xover. The resistors in the xover even out the decibel levels between woofer/midrange/tweeters; a simple example would be if you have a 4 ohm woofer and a 6 ohm tweeter, you would add a 2 ohm resister on the tweeter side of the xover to bring the tweeter down to 4 ohms. Or if you have a woofer measuring 88 spl and a tweeter measuring 94 spl, you would add resistance to the tweeter to bring the spl down to match the efficiency of the woofer. There, that is some very basic level speaker building info I have picked up while designing my own speakers. Cheers!
@justins.1283
@justins.1283 Жыл бұрын
I've done that with some 6 1/2" component car speakers. Found the approximate specs online to build a sealed enclosure for them. After using a resistor to tame the highs it sounded decent but still lacked bass response so I got some cheap 6 1/2" subwoofers in proper ported boxes with crossovers to set under them. That made a big difference in that they sounded quite good after that.
@hardtymz2517
@hardtymz2517 Жыл бұрын
You needed pioneer car speakers. Their 6x9 are rated and actually truthful to go down to the 20 Hertz-es. Their 5 1/4 are rated at something ridiculous like low 30hz.
@vikingkombat9389
@vikingkombat9389 Жыл бұрын
The Pioneer TS 3-way, 4-way, and 5-ways are fucking amazing. They are so true to the sound in the midrange and don't color the sound as much as most regular speakers that they can fatigue the ear a little quicker. Hands down my favorite car speaker. I do have 4 of the 3way models on my Tv setup. Thay sound amazing. Just using a cheap headphone tube amp to drive them believe or not. Just put them in a the old school 6x9 car stereo boxes with that fuzzy cloth and ported them to bring out the low end more.
@jeffpowell3163
@jeffpowell3163 Жыл бұрын
Ive done this a couple of times over the years to have something for my shop. Similar results LOL !
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