DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN TO YOUR M3/M4 (S55 CRANK HUB FAILURE)

[@ssr-performance]

Hey guys, We noticed that there are a lot of questions and skepticism around the pricing of this procedure in the comment section. We are happy to go a little more in depth, as far as costs go, for those of you who care to see. Below is a list of approximated costs: 1. Two Piece Keyed Crank Hub Kit - $1300 2. Gaskets & Parts Needed - $496 * Valve Cover Gasket Set * Front Crank Seal - Crankshaft Seal * Bolt for Timing Chain Sprocket - Intake/Exhaust Camshaft * Cover Seal for Brake Booster Vacuum Pump * Oil Pan Gasket * Engine Oil Pan Bolt Kit (Aluminum) * Coolant / Antifreeze (Blue) (1 Gallon) * Engine Oil - 5W-30 Synthetic (7 Liters) * Oil Filter Kit 3. Labor - $2250 * Valve Cover R&R (8.2 hours BMW book time) * Oil Pan R&R (8.4 hours BMW book time) * Front Crank Seal R&R (5.6 hours BMW book time) * Drilling Crankshaft (1.5 hours approximated) * Crank Hub R&R w/ proper torquing procedure and retiming engine (1.5 hours approximated) * Total Labor Hours: 25.2 Hours (even at a VERY reasonable shop rate of $100/hr total would come out to $2520.00 for JUST labor) * Our Flat Labor Rate for the job is $2250 (approximately $270 below the hourly total at $100/hr) This procedure is an in depth procedure that is very labor intensive and for that reason costs more than expected based on looking at it on surface level. With that said, this job is only to be performed by a highly experienced BMW technician, or else irreversible damage can be caused that may lead to a full engine swap. Used S55 engines cost anywhere from $10,000-$13,000 depending on external variables and another 20-25 hours in labor for replacement. This $4,000 job is insurance for those running high power on their S55 engines against a possible engine failure than can run them upwards of $15,000-20,000. This job is suitable more for the spirited driver / power freak that is looking to drive their car like they stole it (how it should be driven). Thank you for reading :) If you have any further questions please feel free to give us a call at [phone] or email [e-mail] Shah @ SSR Performance Owner

[@baxrok2.]

The average person has no idea how involved this job is and your detailed breakdown should give people a very good idea of what's involved. Well done.

[@kiranm25x]

You Sir truly care about transparency and being true with the customer, kudos!

[@Carrboned]

This is so completely inaccurate. Job and price is half of what is claimed.

[@wjlowe111]

OVerrated scam..

[@bertraminc9412]

Way over priced for this service. You're taking advantage of M3 owners and you know it.

[@pauldewar626]

This should be a recall fix by BMW

[@shaiheimmcrae192]

this dude knows how to make you feel comfortable buying a part. I dont even have an f80 m3 yet and im like "...yeah...ima call these dudes once i get my f80" lmao good work

[@Dame102988]

Wow the part is 1.3k and you charging 2.7k for install? Y’all smoking crack

[@emmanueltrujillo1554]

ITS CALLED LABOR SIR. QUALITY WORK

[@SIat]

@@emmanueltrujillo1554 VTT is 2K for parts and labor if you have them install it. Shops like this charge you for nearly double the labor time

[@Dame102988]

HyeF80 exactly lol who are these guys again.. never heard of them lol 4K my ass

[@vaderwalks6790]

@@emmanueltrujillo1554 Man shut the fuck up, they charge way less to do that shit in Germany

[@danilorodriguez4665]

Important to add that new B58 and S58 engines does have integrated crank hub's

[@baxrok2.]

Holy hell! The first generation Mazda/Ford 2.3L engines (circa 2003 to 2009 both NA and turbo) had key-less crankshafts and used similar diamond coated washers between the crank pulley, the crank gear(s), and the crankshaft. If the pulley(s) slipped the engine was out of time or damaged. Also, if the pulley bolt came loose, or if an owner unknowing removed their crankshaft pulley for some reason, their engine was then out of time. Wow BMW, just wow.

[@revy69]

just keep driving your 2.3 Mazda then. Sheeesh

[@baxrok2.]

@@revy69 Ah, yes, missing the point entirely while showing your Bavarian pride.

[@michealjordan7090]

Hopefully they fix this stupid issue with the s58 model; it’s ridiculous that the crank hub spins even at stock boost levels

[@mariachiomar81]

It is fixed already in the S58. The crank hub and crank shaft are one forged unit. And away we go...

[@visveshnarayan7964]

Is there a service bulletin for this issue though?

[@idokwatcher2062]

Don't worry, S58 will have another catastrophic failure. There hasn't been an M3 without catastrophic failure since E30. If it's not the engine it's the rear subframe falling off, strut towers separating etc.

[@HURundSoehneAG]

@@idokwatcher2062 well we’re now almost 2 years into the S58 and still no significant issues were found. Many don’t even have any minor issues 😃

[@your_alter_ego]

BMW M engines are ticking time bombs. Last gen had rod bearing issue and the current gen has crank hub issue.

[@S1N2D3S]

Go Electric

[@josephroberthack]

I drove my e90 to 130k Miles. No issues, no rod bearing service. Just picked up an f80 and will do the same. This is my 4th m car and I’ve never run into catastrophic failure. 😂

[@stephenlozano2816]

How is this NOT a BMW recall issue???

[@yg78t76t7]

4K is on the high end for this repair I heard lot of shops doing it for 3k

[@bmw_m4_alpinewhite]

Funny, I now just had my complete Crank Hub replaced with a keyed one as well. Took about 6.5 hours. Gaskets are BS to be replaced. Costs: 1550,- EUR

[@kenleywildvank3339]

Getting this done ASAP! How can I book my appointment?

[@ssr-performance]

Hey Kenley, Call us @ [phone] or send us a DM on Instagram @SSRPerformance

[@Domcusano]

So even with a stock M4 there’s a risk of the crank hub spinning?

[@artcisneros1364]

Im pushin over 500 hp rn and the AA MIDPIPES WITH MST intakes, and mhd M4 Gts tune i strongly believe driving habits matter alot if your doing harsh down shifts your forsure more likely to spin the crank hub

[@Jatt916]

it’s rare to spin stock. I spun mine around 10k miles. 100% stock. if your car under warranty and stock bmw will cover it

[@roberthyde7102]

How much to fix that

[@JESSiiECooL]

Yo. 4K is not that bad. I mean as long as they have warranty for the crank hub. Just in case it does fail .

[@ssr-performance]

We offer warranty on ALL our work!

[@brianwebber1206]

@@ssr-performance warranty for what its connected to as well?

[@kielconstantine]

Such a time bomb.

[@consentidocomunwithcommons7698]

$4,000. Crazy. I do it myself in few hours for free I did like 10 times is plug and play

[@mranderson6296]

Would there be any way of know if this has been done on a m4/m3 you didn't know the history of?

[@sajjethwa1916]

Hey guys got a f80 m3 which had a front end smash. Damage only to all the rads and engine/gearbox coolers. Parts replaced but doesn't start. Engine turns over very slowly off key. I've tried to manually turn engine and it doesn't turn. Would you say it's a crankhub, timing fault? Also have open circuit fault for camshaft sensor. Any help would be great. Thanks

[@bmw_m4_alpinewhite]

HAHA 4000 dollars. Are you kidding me. Cost's not even half here in Europe. It's not rocket science.. Exploit much. Even with your breakdown, it's a 6-8 hours job at it's max.

[@williamwilson5125]

I'll buy the S58 when it's available before spending 3000$ on a crank hub fix to add more hp in a chasis thats is at its limit of usable hp on stock hp levels. This upgrade is not worth it at these prices. If you remain stock the likelihood of spinning a crank is probably less than 2%. Who pays these prices to fix a fault which is the manufacturers mishap. If it spins stock than your covered under warranty. The f80 spins its tires under stock hp levels. Once hp is upgraded the car becomes a roll racer only and hard to mitigate unless your on a prepped surface or have street slicks anyways. What's the point? Your paying to overwhelm the chasis. How do I know this? I was stage 2 but removed the mods and went back to stock once the crank hub issue became more prevalent.

[@BimmerM5e39]

Looks like its time to stop modding my N54 or think of a S55 car and find another platform with a B58 if I want to go beyond stock turbo FBO power levels. The new S58 with AWD should be the most reliable and get the power down. I just did my N54 oilpan gasket so this is crazy to me now. AWD B58 maybe?

[@Bonkatronicks]

Done in three days is a very fair price

[@rumayar5]

The dude says it, only necessary if your going to go for big power gains

[@mbusonkabinde3330]

Do stock cars also have a crank hub problem, or only tuned cars.

[@ssr-performance]

Unfortunately yes, we have seen STOCK cars that have had this problem.

[@walterrodriguez6209]

do you have any place you recommend this procedure in Charlotte NC or close?

[@christophercederlof2105]

How much you think its gonna be if someone comes in and does it for preventive purposes? Nice vid!

[@ssr-performance]

Hey Christopher, give us a call @ [phone]!

[@timlad123456]

The N54 has the same hub system and they make over 700hp with no issues. Why does this happen on the S55 the hub looks identical to the N54.

[@redclaw01]

They think it's the aggressive dsg transmission shifting really hard because most of the spun crank hubs have been on the dsg.

[@redclaw01]

@卍TBallz There isn't a 2020 M3 I think its coming 2021? And im not sure about the new engine yet haha its only in the 2020 X3M so its too new to find the problems yet. My F80 M3 is 600bhp on DSG and I haven't had any problems yet but we shall see.

[@nassermohd2317]

@@redclaw01 no it happen in 6MT also

[@burntavocado5033]

@卍TBallz why would you buy a m3 to drive it normally? Get a 330 if your just gunna drive like grandma

[@idokwatcher2062]

It happens on N54 too but less, but it's hard to know for sure why S55 is more prone. Is there more harmonic inbalance in S55? What is different with the chain and tensioner design? Who the hell knows for sure (except BMW engineers, they know). But N54 forums do have many reports of this too.

[@GodKing804]

This is overblown

[@Top_g80comp]

4000$ ?. What’s wrong with you people

[@vaderwalks6790]

You think that's wild? I was quoted $6500. Idk what the fuck is wrong with these shops but apparently everyone in Germany is saying this kind of repair shouldn't cost that much.

[@idokwatcher2062]

Germany probably has a lot more qualified independent BMW mechanics. I wouldn't want just any yahoo to drill my crank and time the engine, when more people get caught up on this the market will drive the price down.

[@anthonyt4981]

would I need this done on a stock m2 comp? No mods, but will push this car.

[@Dame102988]

Anthony T yes

[@emmanueltrujillo1554]

Yes happens to all S55's regardless of mods

[@bradwatson2085]

No it’s a rare issue

[@bdstrucks500]

Brad Watson it’s not rare

[@bobbymayyy]

卍TBallz this guy. cant read huh?

[@gp1683]

Drilling the crank...eeeehhh. No thanks.

[@av7447]

Umm... you can buy the whole M3/M4 engine from the junkyard for $4000 if you search a bit .... 😅 if you are extra lazy to search, you can buy it within the next 5 minutes for $7000-8000... why would anyone pay this much when the chance of anything happening is less than 1%... stupid

[@kentbummerm5586]

On a stock car - yes. If you go S1,S2, I'd get this done b4 modding the car

[@jesusoliveros1152]

KentBummerM you should be good going stage 1 since on a competition package you are getting 450 hp on a stock car. The power added with a stage 1 on a non competition should be almost the same as the competition one. The problem seems to be when u decide to go stage 2 and run e85. I think keeping it stock or just running stage 1 should be safe

[@jesusoliveros1152]

KentBummerM and dont forget to mention that is less likely you can blow the engine with the OEM part than the keyed one. I have seen keyed Crank hubs cracking and when it happens, it’s a 100% catastrophic failure. So if am keeping my car stock i wouldn’t worry about it or not even try to replace it since it is a lot of money for something isn’t likely to go wrong

[@behindthen0thing]

How much

[@ssr-performance]

Here you go! www.ssrperformance.com/collections/s55-power-pack/products/m3-m4-s55-crank-hub-fix-kit

[@av7447]

Иван Грозный , это развод на бабки

[@kirksmith347]

BMW must do these things on purpose. They always have so!e dumb issue with their motors. Nikasil liners, vanos seals, high pressure fuel pump, electric water pumps, now this bullshit. Dear lord.

[@NagashiChidorii]

DUDE SERIOUSLY! how can BMW engineers be so good at putting a great feeling car together but fuck up on such simple shit like this? It HAS to be on purpose. They are a business after all...

[@lbarbato6425]

Do not do this, it’s BS overload, if it was a problem the OEM would have put out repair procedure through the dealers with a component which would have been R&D to work. There is no real problem but doing this will be creating what the BS says about the not true problem. BMW race these engines with no problem.

[@pedromiguelF82]

Thats my opinion too.

[@sommi888]

🧡💙💚💛 Holy shit that means in Australia this would cost $5,000 ... fuck that 🧡💙💚💛

[@ametelezkurtaj6133]

This is not real i have asked bmw for this isue here in Switzerland and he told me that this is not true ! They doesn’t have any situation till now with crank hub isue! He told me to if something like this will be an isue bmw would make an recall to all bmw m3/m4 ! My opinion this is just from tuners to make Money becouse it is good mented becouse everybody will inves in theyr cars 1600-2000$ to be „safe“

[@idokwatcher2062]

BMW engineers knew about this inherent weakness from the start. It's a calculated acceptable loss for them to replace some blown engines within 4 years of warranty, and others that don't damage block and head get repaired cheaper. Some percent of owners out of warranty will even opt to buy a new engine, must be great for BMW.

[@evrdgr]

You want 4k. Total engine 10k. (in US)

[@performancej8017]

The best way to protect shi...t happens is don’t drive your car

[@rafiksetti3412]

😤😤😤😤😤

[@petermoygannon698]

well thats a shit motor ..glad i got gla45.

[@Hmmm313]

Just dont buy bmw junk...all junk

[@80mafiacute]

i’m Still thinking 🤔.... Why Bmw Made This Engine Without Think This Issu... So Junk