Do Science & God Mix? | John Lennox

John Lennox (Oxford) discusses the interaction between religion and STEM in "Do Science & God Mix?". Forum moderated by Micah Green (Texas A&M) and hosted by The Veritas Forum at Texas A&M (11/19/2021).
Speaker:
John Lennox - Mathematician, Bioethicist, Christian Apologist, Author; Oxford University
Moderator:
Micah Green - Professor, Chemical Engineering; Texas A&M University
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[@ksf3519]

Good stuff, reminds me it is a spiritual battle no amount of logic and reason will prove God to someone who doesn’t want to believe.

[@Lepocoloco]

You clearly don't use logic or reason if you believe in magic. Evidence will prove a God, too bad nobody ever presented any. "Want" to believe? I want to believe in many things but that does not make them true. Can't force anyone with a brain to believe in something, just because they really really want and it makes them feel warm inside.

[@AtheismActually]

No one should "want to believe". Such a trait is a huge red flag on character. It's how conspiracy nutters are made.

[@ColinBurkeMusic]

It took me almost 30 years to understand the creator. For so long I was agnostic and afraid that science might have “all the answers.” Eventually, after studying DEEPER into science and hearing rational arguments, there is no way there isn’t a creator. Science actually points to a creator in many ways. However, the materialist religion has a tight grip on the modern world.

[@blessedarethepeacemakers.1457]

Mystery Religion Exalts itself as science and believe it is right when they chase things that feel good. Jesus told us to avoid these things because pure religion is found in Christ and that he has shattered the Spirit of Religion. And asks us to chase what is Good and for see what is wicked

[@jamesk3612]

You were afraid that science might have all the answers? lol Sounds like that might be your problem right there buddy. If the idea of there being no creator makes you feel scared then of course you're going to find proof in your "research" that there is one. Have you ever heard of confirmation bias? The real question is, of course, why are you afraid that there might be no creator? It makes you seem like you might be a very insecure person.

[@stefanheinzmann7319]

So how does this belief in a creator actually help you, now that you've acquired it? Does it allow you to make more accurate predictions of anything? Does it lead you to better theories that survive attempts to verify them against reality? Or is the thought that there is a creator merely putting your mind at rest, and there is no further benefit?

[@truincanada]

Hugh Ross Astrophysicist Cal Tech went from athiest to inevitable believer in Jesus Christ through Science's daily discoveries . So you are in great company!

[@johnbrown4568]

Wonderful discussion. Thank you.

[@internationalsurvivalcounc6980]

Science an God Overlaping? Absolutely... "God has all this down to a Science." T.G. Wilson

[@thespiritofhegel3487]

On mathematics: what about it's paradoxes? Godel's theorem etc... So it doesn't really describe the world that well does it?

[@stefanheinzmann7319]

Why not? There are paradoxes in the world, too!

[@daviesoyetunji9994]

Perfect Mix... God & Science. Science seeks a rational path to the truth. God is Truth.

[@mikegyver3193]

“I Am”, He. The one who Created. 🤓😇 A humble man died and went to heaven. Viewing a big throne with a small group beside the throne, the man approach the throne. And the Lord In his throne with a thundering voice said to the man; I AM THE CREATOR. Knowing well who this man was, the Lord had asked the man. And who are you? The Man replied with humility. I am a sinner and I'm here to ask for your forgiveness. The Creator asked: why do you deserve my forgiveness? Seeing The authority sitting in the throne he replied; I loved your Word and the one you sent to tell me. Knowing this I spread it as much as one would listen. And the Creator replied that is what I have asked of you. Come stand with me. You know me. As the man walked over to a little crowd that was standing beside the Creator. Still sitting in his throne, being welcome by the crowed. Thy watch another soul approach. The Creator said to the one man that just approached, I am the Created. And who are you? again knowing completely who this man was. The man's replied, I too am a creator and created life better for man. The man clearly seeing the face of the one who is speaking to him with a tear from his eye, the Creator replied then you have come to the wrong place. The man's face dropped with the question, Why am I in the wrong place you brought me here? And the Creator answered, I am the Creator. Why did you not believe the one whom I sent to tell you my word? The man's reply was, I wanted to be like you and create a better life for men. And the Creator replied; Where did you learn this from? And the man replied, from science. And All that was heard was, “I never knew you”🤔

[@TheLastWalenta]

Let me save everyone 55 minutes: No. Until religion decides to stop saying, "God does x and that is good enough for me," there is no reconciliation. One cannot reconcile that base philosophy with the scientific doctrine of, "Observe phenomenon, create hypothesis and null hypothesis, develop repeatable and valid tests, use data to reject or not reject null hypothesis, publish for continual peer review." These are exact opposites. One is based on faith; the other is based on evidence. One clings to primal thought in the face of all evidence and refuses to accept contradictory evidence. The other is in constant search of contradictory evidence to further thought and understanding. You simply cannot reconcile these two complete and fundamental differences. This has nothing to do with the existence of a deity (disproving the existence of anything is literally impossible). This has everything to do with fundamentally irreconcilable differences.

[@Faji9r]

If it's correct science but if it's junk science no.

[@ksolo6474]

GOD "is" Omni-Science",unlimited,Omniscience,science or knowledge at its finest and highest,Divine🔥

[@jamesk3612]

Wow, that's amazing! How do you know that? You must be omniscient to be able to definitively say that something else is omniscient, otherwise, how would you be able to know?

[@olufemiadeleye9462]

Keep going strong, Prof. A living proof of Christ's salt of our world today.

[@captainzappbrannagan]

Hitchens destroyed this guy on several occasions why is he still trying to defend magic when he offers no evidence for it?

[@Lepocoloco]

For money. Why would he stop his bs now.

[@jamesk3612]

Literally just on here to promote his book. Notice how he'll completely ignore what the modern day scientific consensus is on the origin of the universe, morality, etc but then quote einstein to say science can't explain everything? No consistency at all in his arguments. He's a complete charlatan

[@captainzappbrannagan]

@@jamesk3612 He's too old to learn and grow. How can someone base their whole ideals and morals on a proven fraudulent book of fables and logical contradictions. I don't get it.

[@PieJesu244]

Hitchens admitted that Lennox won both debates. So you must obviously have a closed mind.

[@jamesk3612]

@@PieJesu244 I honestly can't tell if you're joking or being serious. Link to a video or article where Hitchens said that?

[@ocolotav1]

Really good word salad.

[@jamesk3612]

I wonder how many people enjoyed eating it

[@2633babe]

God is mysterious, invisible, unknowable, unspeakable. Science is a study of nature.

[@blessedarethepeacemakers.1457]

We worship the creature rather than the Creator

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

God said one thing and people say that science says contradictory things. That's the problem. If you believe the interpretation of scientists, then you don't believe the God of the bible.

[@charlesborders2893]

YOUR JUST ONLY A 100 PERCENT-- W R O N G-- BUTTER CUP !

[@AtheismActually]

Cool beans. That means anyone, present or past, claiming knowledge of what God wants of them, me, or anyone else, is lying.

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

@@AtheismActually OR, the commenter isn't God speaking words of Truth and is just a guy riffing.

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

Not fake spinning ball evolution psuedo science

[@Lepocoloco]

They just want to fool you. Magic sky man is real.

[@TheLastWalenta]

If we are to believe the bible, the Earth was created before the sun, before any stars, that humans were created seven days after the Earth, that a flood wiped out nearly all life less than 5000 years ago, and that an ark housed all terrestrial and freshwater forms of life during said flood. We also have to believe that the moon is a source of light, that insects have four legs, that the mustard seed is the smallest seed on Earth, that stars are small objects that can "fall", that the sun is smaller than Earth and rotates around it, that bats are birds, that asexual reproduction is possible in humans, that mass spontaneous auto-resuscitation is possible for humans and only for humans, etc etc etc Anyone saying that Christianity agrees with science or logic, either does not understand science or does not understand Christianity, and certainly lacks logic. People may choose to ignore all these crazy delusions found in religion and still state that Christianity is not against science. They would be wildly mistaken.

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

@@TheLastWalenta I believe most of that. The bible categorizes things differently. Just because man categorizes bats as mammals and birds as separate, you could categorize things as flying things. I'm sure man knew about bats back then. I don't think you can use that to disprove the bible. Earth is flat.

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

@@TheLastWalenta Is this what you're talking about? Leviticus 11:21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth; This is just saying what they are allowed to eat.

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

@@TheLastWalenta If you look into the precious gems in Revelation there's this amazing thing they couldn't have known about which gems turn dark or light when a pure light is shown on it. Look into that, I thought it was pretty cool.

[@frosted1030]

Why do you bother asking science questions of a mathematician known for his fallacious logical arguments?

[@PieJesu244]

Why do you bother writing fallacious comments

[@nlt872]

God invented science

[@mysticwine]

True true true.

[@blessedarethepeacemakers.1457]

God is pure Science/common sense

[@mysticwine]

@@blessedarethepeacemakers.1457 Amen!

[@Lepocoloco]

Tinker Bell invented science and Spiderman makes all the french waffles in the world.

[@charlesborders2893]

NO MAN DID TO MAKE HIM MORE COMPREHENSIBLE FOR HUMAN GRASP TO ADVANCING SPIRITS PROGRATER DOMAINS BUTTER CUP ANY QUESTIONS

[@6thmy]

No.

[@mikegyver3193]

“I Am”, He. The one who Created. 🤓😇 A humble man died and went to heaven. Viewing a big throne with a small group beside the throne, the man approach the throne. And the Lord In his throne with a thundering voice said to the man; I AM THE CREATOR. Knowing well who this man was, the Lord had asked the man. And who are you? The Man replied with humility. I am a sinner and I'm here to ask for your forgiveness. The Creator asked: why do you deserve my forgiveness? Seeing The authority sitting in the throne he replied; I loved your Word and the one you sent to tell me. Knowing this I spread it as much as one would listen. And the Creator replied that is what I have asked of you. Come stand with me. You know me. As the man walked over to a little crowd that was standing beside the Creator. Still sitting in his throne, being welcome by the crowed. Thy watch another soul approach. The Creator said to the one man that just approached, I am the Created. And who are you? again knowing completely who this man was. The man's replied, I too am a creator and created life better for man. The man clearly seeing the face of the one who is speaking to him with a tear from his eye, the Creator replied then you have come to the wrong place. The man's face dropped with the question, Why am I in the wrong place you brought me here? And the Creator answered, I am the Creator. Why did you not believe the one whom I sent to tell you my word? The man's reply was, I wanted to be like you and create a better life for men. And the Creator replied; Where did you learn this from? And the man replied, from science. And All that was heard was, “I never knew you”🤔