do teen titans and the bat man 2004 take place in the same universe

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[@billyboleson2830]

Off topic but The Batman 2004 is easily the most underrated Batman cartoon

[@VunderGuy]

Batman Brave and the Bold enters the chat and dabs on The Batman with rocking jazz music.

[@TheI.M.R]

season 1 and 2 were great but it slowly got worse

[@drenx87]

i fuckin loved it as a kid its just the old grown ups at that time that hated it i believe

[@billyboleson2830]

@@drenx87 It was basically hardcore fans of Batman the animated series that hated it for being too different

[@billyboleson2830]

@@VunderGuy Brave and the bold is not underrated its more popular then TB lol

[@andrewjbrave1370]

So technically, Teen Titans is a spinoff series of Batman the animated series.

[@CargoieToons]

Before they scrap the idea Teen Titans was supposed to take place in the DC Animated Universe and have the same art style as Justice League

[@ifecreates]

@@CargoieToons I guess I’m kinda glad that the idea was scrapped and we got the art style that Teen Titans used instead.

[@LooneyCartoonMan]

Nope, both are in two diferrent universes Batman: The Animated Series being in the DC Animated Universe and Teen Titans: The Animated Series is in it's own universe.

[@blandwagon374]

No it’s the Batman show called the Batman

[@BrianAwesome]

That's what I been saiyan. Teen Titans takes place, during early-pre Batman The Animated Series !

[@Armorhunterash]

I was thinking the same with the killer moth that he mutated but yes I agree that Teen titans and the Batman are in the same canon, well at least in my head cannon it is.

[@Bland-Boi]

I mean there’s been other people to use the killer moth identity in the comics so why not just say it’s a different person using the title.

[@ninjagamer1359]

@@Bland-Boi That would be the most reasonable solution, but only for headcanon. As far as official intent goes, they clearly were both different takes on the same incarnation of Killer Moth, Drury Walker. Despite being the most discussed contradiction between Teen Titans and The Batman, it is definitely not the only one, nor even the biggest.

[@ninjagamer1359]

@@phantasmfilms3994 I don’t think Killer Moth ever ”cures” himself after mutating in the comics. Which “most comics” are you talking about?

[@phantasmfilms3994]

@@ninjagamer1359 1. I wasn't talking about him mutating in the comics, i was referring to when he mutated in the Batman show and no he doesn't cure himself in that show. 2. I referring to the fact that there are times in comics where a character takes up the identity of another character, like how there multiple people who have taken up the Robin identity.

[@Albino_Basilisk]

Killer moth in the Batman is the traditional joke representation of the character tho while in teen titans he’s a serious take

[@alosim1541]

Imagine they did a season 6 for teen titans and they integrated The Batman into it making them officially canonical with each other

[@CargoieToons]

I hope to God that happens

[@santinozampella]

​@@CargoieToons is a great chance would be awesome and the how robin became nightwing here would be awesome

[@gokux75]

With the Justice League that season of The Batman introduced too.

[@starfalchion4404]

This is what I thought when I was young. Due to how similar the Robins looked, I thought The Batman was just the younger version of the Teen Titans incarnation.

[@dragon_ninja_2186]

Even now I still like to think they’re connected.

[@santinozampella]

​@@dragon_ninja_2186 DC has a great chance to do that or warner but well we have other things first

[@altalia07]

Yuhh

[@sonicsaiyan07]

Yo, that bumper of the Titans meeting Batman was actually hype as shit back in the day SOLELY because you finally get to see The Batman and Robin before it became official.

[@comicfan1324]

how I look at it, it’s a perfectly valid headcanon to have them set in the same universe. I don’t think that’s the intention at all but there’s little to prove/disapprove. I suppose if I had to choose I would say it probably isn’t connected. I mean if they are connected Robin has had a really big change in character in the two years between joining Batman and leading the Titans, but it’s nothing that can’t be explained away.

[@timechanger6679]

Well you see, there’s this thing, called a delay, and another thing, called puberty 😏😂

[@santinozampella]

I thing they happened more than 2 years i would say 4 at least and well finishing the secundary too i guess to stay with titans all the time

[@MrScaryPasta]

My headcanon is that after the finale of The Batman Season 4; Robin grew up and out of Batman’s shadow. He eventually moved to Jump City to fight crime on his own. That’s where his story begins and his story ends as Nightwing. The rest is up to us to decide what happens.

[@kevyready2194]

It's strange because in the episode "artifact" of The Batman, takes place in the future, where Nightwing, Oracle and old man Batman exist-- blah, blah. Nightwing looks like Robin Teen Titans. Also, in that same episode old Freeze is trying to use a machine, can't remember what it did, but something along the lines of having harsh blizzards all year long. Seeing that that episode is inspire from The Dark Knight Returns, The Mutant leader exist. If you remember in the episode where Starefire goes into the future, you'd see some teenagers dressed up as part of the Mutant Gang. MEANING, where Starefire traveled to a different time-line where Freeze did manage to create all year long blizzards, because we see snow in Jump City, not just in Gotham. So, who knows. If the two shows are in the same universe itt could open up a lot of doors. Like who could be Red X? Maybe it could be Scorn, Wrath's sidekick and brother. Who knew Robin's secret identity but was laugh-gassed by the Joker from revealing their identity.

[@rainbowbrony12]

Killer moth does indeed mutate into a giant moth in the batman, and it's possible that what we see in Teen Titans could be a next stage in the mutation, or more likely a semi-cured form.

[@paulborri]

Teen Titans and The Batman should have officially been in the same universe and had a crossover anyway.

[@eligamerman]

I still like to believe these shows take place in the same universe lol

[@kklondikke9019]

Watching teen titans I always wondered what Robin was doing when he was with Batman and not the titans… it’s nice to imagine the Batman 2004 is that

[@Two-Bit1510]

It does explain how Robin is such a good fighter He and the Batman fight almost identically to each other

[@BatmanBeyondZ]

Grayson got tired of Bruce bossing him around so he creates his team, Titans.

[@_ChoccooMilkk_]

I think this is canon. You can argue that the Wayne Enterprises depicted in The Batman could be one of multiple Wayne buildings in Gotham. The killer moth thing I can attribute that to maybe moth went to Langston and had him make a serum to turn him into a moth man. As for Robin’s age, my headcanon is that he’s like 12-14 in The Batman and he’s 17-18 in Teen Titans (he has a line about graduating high school in the Mad Mod episode). And imo if you look at that bumper you mentioned in the video, I think the art styles of the two shows go together quite nicely.

[@joy4themightydonutchainsaw620]

Also kinda funny that Wonder Woman and Wonder Girl didn’t appear in either series. Flash and Green Arrow showed up and would technically also have a sidekick if they are connected.

[@VirtualAxiom]

Personally, I like to think Teen Titans connects back to The Batman if for no other reason than to make up for how rushed and anti-climactic the ending of The Batman was after an otherwise pretty solid show. Teen Titans being so disconnected without any major contradictions makes it a plausible sequel series even without any direct link back. Given Robin is said to be in middle school during his entire time in The Batman, I figure he's 10 or 11 at his introduction, and about 12 or 13 by the end of that show, and Teen Titans could be 5 years or so after that, giving more time for him to mature and hone his skills with Batman before going out and working with the Titans in Jump City. That amount of time also means Killer Moth could have plausibly reduced the severity of his mutation by then, hence the different, less monstrous look. He somehow, absolute weenie that he was, already had his kid in The Batman, and she was about Robin's age, just never mentioned in his appearance there. That, or it's just a different Killer Moth who the other guy in The Batman was impersonating before being mutated.

[@connorbrazington-lang2401]

It would be cool if Teen titans was the future of the Batman. I think maybe Robin got older and decided to work alone but Batman keeps watch over him.

[@TripleD2000]

Short answer: Robin is Robin Long answer:

[@CargoieToons]

Pretty much

[@scorpzgca]

LMFAO the ending is funny with the Dr Umar Johnson meme

[@CargoieToons]

Thanks man

[@Mrenderboyomemes]

Actually killer moth was mutated in the batman, although he was huge but im assuming he tried to turn himself back to human and it worked halfway

[@guess6635]

Well remember, back in the Day the DC Animated Series all actually did really. From Batman the Animated Series, Superman the Animated Series, Batman Beyond, Justice League Unlimited, Static Shock, Teen Titans and possibly Batman (2004.) Truly was a fun set of years for the series and that's just from the DC side of things.

[@CargoieToons]

Back when it was peak

[@ajstudios9210]

Yeah😊

[@bradworstyt7001]

Killer Moth actually does turn into a moth mutant in an episode of the Batman. Except I feel like the two moths have completely different personalities. The Batman moth was more of a wimpy, villain wannabe, Teen Titans moth was an actual brilliant mastermind. I think it would make more sense if the two moths where simply different characters. Heroes and villains passing on mantles is pretty common, so its not that far of a stretch two Killer Moths exist in the same universe. And I think I remember Batman mentioning the Titans at the end of the finally as well.

[@blistow3519]

Could be different moth themed villains that happened to choose the same name, I know it’s not the best head canon but if there can be god knows how many ice based villains there can be to moth based villains and with killer “Insert word here” being a very stereotypical villain name they both could have got there

[@Sir_Bone-Head]

Considering Killer Moth did actually mutate in The Batman into a more monstrous form, I like to think the Teen Titans version is sort of the aftermath of that mutation, kind of like he found some kind of genetic middle ground. Still, this is just a situation of both shares sharing an art style honestly, but I do like the idea that they share the same universe.

[@sophiahenderson3680]

I recently binged all of the Batman, and after I finished decided that my headcanon going forward was exactly this lol

[@damanireynolds45]

1:12 Proud BatDad

[@madzman7214]

Honestly watching og teen titan series and some of THE batman I wanted to see that version of batman to battle that version of slade and as a kid in the early days of both series I thought it was going to happen spoiler alert it didn't but I still look up and wonder how awesome it would be!

[@wendyandcarla2176]

If season 6 gets announced I hope Donna and Connor are introduced to the team as well as mgann

[@maddencardinals9551]

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[@AngelloDelNorte]

If season 6 came out they should just wrapped the series out and finish it so no new cast and focus on the character they have.

[@drippler8519]

Dont give me hope😢

[@gavinspace]

I’ve been binging all the DC animated shows, films, etc. and once I get to this show I’m probably just gonna pretend it’s set in the 2004 universe just to give things a sense of connectivity

[@nickthepick8043]

This was something I initially thought way back when this show aired on cable.

[@nofacedgoldfish6216]

I find it funny that the only character in the main JLU roster who made an appearance in Teen Titans was Wally West, and that the only reason he was allowed was a loophole on him going by Kid Flash that apparently made him a different character. With that same loophole, I'm surprised they didn't have TT make him become Nightwing(aside from the time travel episode) to allow The Batman to use Robin earlier. Seems like it would have gone full circle to the comics with how the behind the scenes reason he became Nightwing was so Jason could be Batman's new Robin without confusing readers.

[@dragon_ninja_2186]

Basically up to personally interpretation or preference. There’s things that can be used for or against the two being connected. Also in my head canon they both take place in the same universe.

[@PrestonK_Productions]

Thank you! I've been wondering about it. Definitely my headcanon.

[@jaydrich8115]

Teen titans timeline is after the 2004 batman they are the same but the titans robin is 7 or 9 years older the 2004 robin is the earlier disk greyson

[@the_wolfman_max]

You might be correct in thinking the two shows are in the same universe and perhaps they are in the same universe but in a separate timeline of that universe or simply a style change decision like in Batman TAS and Batman TNA series being the same continuity but definitely styled. The creators of Batman TAS & TNA explained the differences in costumes, villains and other characters are still in the same continuity. Many youtubers tried to debunk it but came to the conclusion that Bruce Timm wasn't joking. The differences between the Joker's appearances really caught me off gaurd but finding out they are in the same continuity was wild. Hope this helps.

[@moreonix5251]

thought this when I was younger because they looked the exact same (The robins) so in my mind they took place in the same universe

[@Its_Papa_John]

Let's be honest here, Yu-Gi-Oh and Scooby Doo definitely take place in the same universe, and Terry McGinnis definitely watches Pokemon.

[@CargoieToons]

Kaiba pulling up to the Mystery Machine

[@ardmoretanksley6877]

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[@brandonholloman6835]

It's the same Robin, they are both Dick Grayson !

[@JRGProjects]

It makes sense. In The Batman, Robin went from a Spider-Man style joke machine to a more series Teen Titans roll. The way Robin fights from both shows is similar. In TT, the way Robin moves is so similar to The Batman in style. Barbara also is a spitting image of Starfire, so you can tell he has a "type". The T-Cycle too on both shows is very similar. Also Batgirl was orginally her own self made sidekick in the 04 show. Robin when he got older thought he could have done the same.

[@legoben98productions]

My thought about killer moth was that they’re 2 separate killer moths. Plus I remember the Batman show they said that dick was 9, so it’d be a longer time gap for the 2 shows

[@Cosmic_Edits22]

Teen Titans can also be canon to JLU due to kid flash and The Flash being the same person (wally west) and having the same voice actir

[@caiguycrafter]

No, another thing is that Robin in Teen Titans makes an allusion to "graduation changes everything" implying that he's around 17-18. He may not look that way, but there is never any time frame given in Teen Titans. Also, id definitely prefer to keep the two shows separate as I didn't really watch Teen Titans but i loved The Batman. No shade to either series, just that i prefer one to the other in my own opinion

[@ninjagamer1359]

TT Killer Moth canonically IS just a human in a suit, not a mutant. It is explicitly confirmed in his character bio from the show’s official press release. And that’s not the only contradiction between the shows-or even necessarily the biggest and most definitive one-even though it is for some reason the only one people talk about.

[@AlienIOIandroktone]

What are other reasons? I know Nightwing was used once in The Batman as a game name tag, but that doesn't really contradict Robin's reaction to learning it's used by him in the future in How Long is Forever

[@megadrive1996]

That press release may be based on old information and may not be considered canon information, especially since that same kit states that he uses a "high tech utility belt" which he doesn't. It was more like a description of the original comics version. Killer Moth was very likely a mutant moth man in the show. The way he crawled on walls and the way he roared was not human.

[@solvemproblerstudios5889]

Michael Rosenbaum Wally West: 😁

[@ericmiller1987]

I thought this, too. But, the Nightwing in both potential future episodes of both series look and sound different. That’s a big detail to miss.

[@legospider1437]

You could just chalk that up to the shows having a different cast. He looks different because the art styles are different. You can explain that pretty easily.

[@VicMeep]

I always thought this to myself when I was 13 because of how similar the artstyle were

[@TRIPLEHEARTED]

i was searching for dis video

[@elijahlevant]

There’s an episode where an older speedy is in justice league unlimited confirming it’s the same speedy from teen titans

[@LtTacobell]

I recently found out that the VA for Robin in a lego batman movie is the VA for Robin in teen titans go

[@DJMarvolous]

Wow never noticed how similar the Robins looked 🤯🤯

[@spiderpunk94]

I'd like to think the batman, teen titans, and justice league are all canon within the dcau. The only problem, based on my logic anyhow, is that there were 2 variations on batman and the justice league. Being the league invited batman and superman to join in the batman, rather than batman and superman being founding members.

[@otakusamageeklord]

static shock ... unites the animated series of 90 and tt ... static even appears in the future of batman beyond, which is the future of dcau, in its own series it refers to teen titan

[@oldjebidiahbrown2454]

If teen titans came out today, we all know Cyborg would of said "I'm black" in that last clip

[@lord_gyver]

1:59 nah that's definitely canon

[@bransoso304]

hey i was thinking something similar like that with 2004 Batman and Young Justice Robin being the same

[@sirubisan698]

I like TT robins footwear and the 2004 hair

[@mrkaji8913]

I would have liked them to make a crossover movie

[@catandrafields4660]

nah that young justice batman

[@CargoieToons]

Young Justice wasn't a thing yet

[@ross3986]

@@CargoieToons we know but it looks so similar to his young justice design

[@samshughart3479]

been thinking that killer moth theory since i was like 9 wow haha

[@Lemuel928]

And that’s how I draw Darkfire in the first place.

[@ArcTrooperRod-269]

*0:34** THAT'S STILL TODAY* _THAT'S WHY DEADSHOT, DEATHSTROKE & CAPTAIN BOOMERANG LEFT THE ARROWVERSE & THAT'S WHY THEY NEVER COULD USE BATMAN & JOKER IN GOTHAM_

[@daa162]

hmmm i can't be the only one who wants to know what batman and alfred's reaction to slade trying to become his new father figure

[@Domitris]

I'm the original Robin. In teen titans and teen titans go those two American robins are literally me. And I'm also the original Bruce Wayne

[@thewhitewolf58]

Dc: no sharing characters between series Marvel: interesting Dc: HOLY FUCK THAT PILE OF CASH DID I SAY NO SHARING CHARACTERS I MEANT CINEMATIC UNIVERSE!!!!!

[@CargoieToons]

You just summed up the last 10 or so years of DC in one comment

[@thewhitewolf58]

@@CargoieToons yup everyone gots principals until they see a mountian of cash.

[@Jfireprime]

I like to think of these two shows and the Legion of Super Heroes cartoon as being the same universe.

[@otsuru_style]

titans Robin could be Dick Grayson but if it's Damian ill be damned

[@Nickdabom8]

Bro legit I’ve had that question years ago because of the robin’s looking a like. I was tempted to make the video too but I kept on forgetting about it lol

[@MrOnepiece14]

also, the pieces dont stack up. JLU Is DCAU animated where Batman has Robin as his sidekick first. Robin then becomes Nightwing for his reasons that he does. Then Tim Drake and everything leading to the events that shape Beyond happen. TT And The Batman could be in the same universe, but neither are possible for the DCAU. Which is good in my opinion because holy fuck how depressing is that universe for Batman. TT Robin could very well grow up becoming Batman like the first Dick Grayson did. He isnt in Bruce's shadow, has his own team and space and is flourishing. None of the bad stuff from DCAU can touch him or The Batman Bruce.

[@nschannel826]

It's canon to Me anyway

[@manny7662]

Yeah me too

[@elementanimationnot]

I thought it was supposed to be in the DCAU but they couldn't explicitly state it

[@prometheusmodelow8322]

In fact they explicitly stated that it was NOT in the DCAU to give the creative team freedom, even tho it was the original idea, it got scrapped.

[@ninjagamer1359]

@@prometheusmodelow8322 Actually, no they didn’t. The only quotes from official sources explicitly stating anything about TT’s canonicity to the DCAU I have ever been able to find at worst are “I don’t know” and at best actually do outright say it is part of the DCAU. I’m not sure where this widespread myth that they’ve said anything to the contrary comes from.

[@ninjagamer1359]

More or less, that seems to be correct, Extreme Ethys. The show was sort of treated ambiguously as far as its continuity goes, but the evidence does suggest that it was tenuously part of the DCAU. The reason they didn’t come out and directly say it (except for a bonus feature in a Superman: The Animated Series DVD including Teen Titans among the shows to spawn out of the DCAU continuity established by Batman: The Animated Series and STAS), though, is not because they “couldn’t,” but seems to be more just because they didn’t really want to concern themselves with working out the nitty gritty details of how exactly it fit into the continuity, despite planting connections nonetheless.

[@prometheusmodelow8322]

@@ninjagamer1359 Those are always back in the beginning of production, when it was actually meant to be so, later ones do make it clear it's not, when Timm recounts how he stepped down creatively from it because he realized the team had it's own vision.

[@Mr.PR2000]

Wouldn’t make sense since Teen Titans Robin seemed to have left Batman much younger than BTAS Robin who left him after graduating college.

[@Thenameisboosta]

The Ended😂😂😂

[@black12owl]

El Bat-Embargo y sus variantes con otros héroes siguen existiendo incluso a día de hoy, aunque con más de libertad pero sigue ahí. Ahora sucede más con los live actions que las series animadas. Y el ejemplo más reciente de esto es cancelar Superman & Lois para realizar Superman Legacy.

[@user-ez1mm7fd8r]

HOOOOOO BOY WOULD I WATCH THAT CROSSOVER!!!

[@dallaskinard3143]

Short answer: Yes. Absolutely yes.

[@Jaylobeans]

Two of my favorite super hero shows of all time.

[@jian5568]

Maybe you're right of it being canon and not canon. I recently saw an episode of the batman introducing nightwing and teen titans nightwing are very different desings.

[@thelonesomearthropod6161]

I have been thinking about this too

[@sonicsaiyan07]

(Before fully watching vid) In the (Unfortunately named) Teen Titans Go comics based of the OG series, the Batman and JL we see are desiged to look like the DCAU versions so probably not.

[@spider-manunknown9193]

That’s more of a possibility since DCAU Dick Grayson would have been Nightwing but the titans do exist in the DCAU.

[@cesaralejandro7725]

I think that the robin from the Batman and teen titans series are the same and coexist in the same universe.

[@ItsOver9000Productions]

I mean thy both grow up to be Nightwing and the contradictions if any are so minute, might as well let people indulge in this headcanon. Both TB and TT have the most angsty versions of young dick grayson who is usually waaaay laid back. its a fun theory

[@BankruptMonkey]

He's usually way laid back, but there are several versions where he's angsty for a year or two after he's replaced

[@dragon_ninja_2186]

Speaking of Nightwing I know some will say both look completely different. To that I say it’s difference not only in art style but also timelines. In TT the disappearance of Starfire in an alternate future caused Robin to become Nightwing earlier while in TB it could assumed it happened later with Starfire sticking around.

[@phantomflames136]

This is what I was thinking

[@theenigmaalie2792]

Interesting theory

[@missmeme3946]

interesting👍👍👍

[@kingpinogaming3366]

The Batmans Killermoth starts as a guy and becomes a mutant moth creature so yeah that tracks

[@jonbrewer297]

One interesting side effect is that Barbara isn't de-aged the way she was in B:TAS. Yeah, a lot of your bat-conventions began in B:TAS.

[@tylercafe1260]

I was wondering why Teen Titans wasn't around more but whenever I look into it it's always a rabbit hole of vague continuity. The problem with connecting all shows is trying to explain what everyone else is doing. Comic continuity pretty much means nothing as things like the The Batman Animated series who will invent major characters like Harley Quinn and do their own unique plotlines. Then there's that whole thing with Robin being mistaken for 2 other Robins because they literally couldn't decide at one point to connect them. Then I look at the shows story compared to the comic book run and all it really missed was Kid Flash and Jericho (Major Villian who body snatches via eye contact). They pretty much do everything and more for Teen Titans. It is a shame we couldn't see them as full fledge super heroes but the show did so much and we got a great movie. I blame the general misuse of the characters and stories in the comic industry for not coming up with a continued series. Like they want to have many different flavors of the same characters to appeal to as many people as possible with different and unique stories but at the same time be a slave to continuity and ensnare storylines that could really flourish on there own. But then get bogged down by arbitrary decisions restricting characters and plotlines. It's so bizzare to work for DC and Marvel specifically in the animated world.

[@seanimusprime9849]

I always thought it was.

[@W1ldWes]

I am a firm believer in that yu gi oh and scooby doo take place in the same universe 😭😭

[@CargoieToons]

After intense research I can confirm that this is true

[@lilreverse6095]

Ok but my favorite dc character is Tim drake since 2008.

[@prostufamiliei]

tt's speedy appears in a an epiaode of jlu

[@Jamesalec63]

Multiverses Arc reflects similar features and concepts. Every aspect is a simple question are they identical yes subject to the Earths they share identical origins except for their ages or looks at the time. Robin's never the same person because of Dick Grayson but the many versions of him in similar variants. Robin's through the looking-glass an interesting thing that separates him from all the other versions is his style of fighting and training from the variants of Batman who have different styles of teaching in the multiverse of things. Modes of Robin's and possibly sped of skills in their respective realities Grayson is fast thinking and technical faster than another version of himself and other Robin's. Being Robin in any universe is technical the someone however there's something else they've different in mental conditioning over his course of development. Why isn't Robin in some stories because of doing a mission for Batman or forming a team of teenage heroes and that why Batgirl fills in? JL animated series never has Robin in or Titans well I recall Batman saying to Wonder Woman something about the Titans can handle the Earth while we of the world once. And Batman Beyond interestingly mentioned the Titans in an episode?

[@nightblockprimecraft9284]

In the comics killer moth is turned into charaxes

[@PJCVita92]

I know this is old, but damn does this video, other videos on this theory, and the back and forth debates in the comments section prove just why DC isn't as successful as Marvel. The DC multiverses are such a headache figure out and understand, even when it seems so obvious. The Marvel multiverses are much more organized, consistent, and more convenient to understand. Unless we're talking X-Men though. lol! DC is convoluted, all over the place, and difficult to understand. You'd think that two shows would be in the same universe just because they're the same artstyle, but nope. It's never that simple! Which is no wonder why DC has such a hard time keeping up with Marvel's huge success. A huge part of that has to do with DC being in constant panic with how to do what Marvel did but surpass that somehow. And fail every time, because DC keeps trying to rush things, and that dumb rule of theirs is also a big issue as to why they always fail. They're so dysfunctional, it's pathetic. This why they can never surpass Marvel. And this debate proves it!

[@nicolaeentertainment8280]

But in batman 2004 it was confirmed Robin is like 9 though

[@GabiBrooks]

I mean, that was my head canon all along 🤷

[@CargoieToons]

I wish they would just confirm it as true

[@GabiBrooks]

@@CargoieToons me too. Possibly my two favorite DC shows ever. Though choice tho ❤️

[@Veshant05]

Do you have a link to the ad of The Batman and Teen Titans?

[@CargoieToons]

m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZStc2RoaMZ1mNE

[@edwardmasino9416]

The killer moths are have different identities between the two series